14 años presa y mañana salgo libre sin rencor | Ale Marín #Penitencia #podcast #entrevista

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Contigo tengo mucho que you. Yes, love. We have grown together. I met you when you came in. In a fucking viral case. Very bad. I had to listen to your story. I think it was one of the first stories I had to hear in prison that I was completely moved and one of the great lessons that I have today as a criminologist, as an activist, I learned it thanks to you, which was not to judge with the little information you have, because out there you are like that in a sentence, one thing, I guess See in una frase una cosa no y cuando escuchas tu historia es una historia que

que vuela los sesos no nada más una historia que vuela los sesos ale pero es Es una historia que da mucho de que hablar de que analizar y de que entender como seres humanos como mujeres y aparte eres una mejor que ha crecido brutalmente que adentro no y grabamos este capítulo women and apart you are a woman who has grown brutally here inside and we recorded this chapter when you are going to leave tomorrow tomorrow you are in your last day of jail 14 years literally in your last hours of jail I can't even imagine what you are feeling after 14 years to see that tomorrow you already paid this country the debt you had?

How do you feel?

Well, the truth is I feel... I have many mixed feelings. I have many feelings. I have... Definitely when you arrive, or from the first day you arrive here, the first thing you want is to leave. I've been fighting for my freedom for a long time. The last four years were with a execution judge, wanting to get out, to get my benefit. Since I got here, obviously, you always behave like you are on the street.

I have no sanction. Thank God I was never punished for any act of rebellion or something like that. I have... my two tours here were two rooms, the one I was in, the beige one, and this one. I haven't had any changes in rooms, I haven't had any conflicts. I worked since the first months I came here to cover a benefit, to leave before. A benefit that never came to me.

I'm just going to give context for those who are listening. Beige are the women who are in process, and context for those who are listening. Beige are the women who are in process and blue are those who are sentenced. And when you talk about a benefit, we mean that in the law, a person who is a criminal cousin has the right to leave before the conclusion of his sentence, to end his sentence, and that is through certain workshops, mental health, sport, work,

education too,

cultural. Sorry to interrupt you, but we have to give context, because many people who listen to us do not necessarily... What a benefit! It's like the Canary language,

that is beneficial.

And what is, bastards, I remember the day you were denied the benefit, a judge decided not to... Because, besides, your benefit was denied for being Alejandra Marín. I say yes, because I don't have any... I can't find the reason why the judge... He just said, no.

No, your case is viral, your case was famous.

And for me it's not the facts, it's not the acts. You're telling me it's a kidnapping. I mean, excuse me, judge, kidnapping is when you detain a person to ask for money. Nothing to do with this. Why? For him it's kidnapping. So, you were there that day when they denied me the benefit.

Yes, I had never seen you so sad. Because I couldn't believe it. I said, I can't believe they're denying it. I went to the different courts. I've been with the Beneficio for four years. They denied it, I went to the appeal, they granted it to me, they returned to the court and said, check it because it's wrong. They denied it again, I went to the appeal, then to the protection,

they returned it to the judge and said, check it because you are wrong, check the best law. He denied it again, I go to the appeal, I go to the defense, last December, since 2021, they tell me, they tell him, you violate many things of her, check the law that suits you best and check it.

It is today, a day before the hearing, and I haven't finished the audition.

Maybe they let you go out before you go out.

Yes, I think so. Or he tells me, you know what I'm going to do to your audition on October 16? And you're going to have to go but in freedom, so they give you the freedom to participate. It's really something. Right now, I take it like that, but at the beginning it was so much that you fight and sometimes they don't realize that it is a life, it is a life that they are acting with pain. They see it as a file, right? Yes.

How do they see it?

I think they see it as... because I saw it here, when I spoke to the lawyer to start seeing it for my benefit, he said, what is your crime? I said, legal deprivation of minor liberty with the purpose of causing harm. No, it's kidnapping. I said, no, it's not kidnapping. No, look, I invite you, please, like this, crying literally on the phone, please, I invite

you to read it, please help me. Let me check it, talk to me in two days. me. because for him his criteria is that and he's not asking for his criteria he's asking for the law to be applied and then a lawyer came recently when he was with the committee of

the defense lawyers that came, the committee the same, what is your crime? private in the government ah, kidnapping no, listen to me, finish listening to me.

It's a kidnapping, I'm not guilty of having arrived before the law was changed. And what is very true is that the judge did not realize that when the pandemic happened, for example, I am asthmatic. Thank God I controlled my asthma a lot here. It's really amazing that my head has reacted in a different way here. pandemic I had the opportunity to be with them. So it's very painful. Yes, for a criterium that knows how it was done. Yes, because he says it's not.

It's crazy. Ale, for those who are listening, maybe you are the nurse, in a way, with the bag of beings in the video that went viral, that a baby was stolen from the hospital. And really, for me, this space has to be occupied so that your voice is heard, so that you tell your story, because your story is very powerful. And I'm sure that whoever listens to it,

if they have half a neuron, they will be able to understand the importance of seeing beyond the little information that we suddenly see on social media. When you leave, you will see the phenomenon of social media.

Yes, I realized that.

You haven't had the chance to see it. But you're going to see it now. All the social media out there. And I remember that when I heard your story, I said, how can we judge Ligera in that way? And there are a lot of people out there who are going to see you on the street

and they're going to remember that you're the one who stole the baby. And I don't want people to think about you because you're an incredible woman who is very lucky to have people around you. Thank you very much. So I would ask you to tell me your story, as if you haven't told it yet. You're going to see me right now.

When I started telling you my story ten years ago, I didn't tell it without crying. It was very hard to be able to face things. I think it all started when I got married, I was very young, I was 17 years old. I got married while pregnant and time, and I lost it during the pregnancy. And from there, I think society, family, and the political family, definitely, came in.

I was very immature, and suddenly I wanted to play the role of a wife, then I wanted to play the role of a wife, then I wanted to play the role of the best wife, the best woman, because I was simply very loved in my family, I was very loved, but when I got to a house where my mother-in-law did not accept me,

when I got to a house where maybe the role of the daughter-in-law that my mother-in-law wanted was not the one I was, then from there I felt the rejection of the daughter-in-law that my mother-in-law wanted was not the one I was. So from there, the feeling of rejection of the woman, and I lived with my mother-in-law for a year. So from there, it was marking the guideline of criticism, of contempt, of pointing out, of you are not good at this, you are not good at washing, you are not good at cooking, and you keep doing the you are not good, and, you're not good at cooking, and you keep saying you're not good

and those comments start to come a year passed I left her house I lost that baby at almost 5 months of pregnancy and I lost it because of nausea too well, not because of nausea, I lost it because

as my mother-in-law used to say, being pregnant is not being sick. So, get on with it. And there were things that I shouldn't have done, because I wasn't ready, neither my body nor me. And it was from washing the washing machine, because I didn't want to put it in the washing machine, or because the washing machine would break down. So, there were many things that happened to me that day.

It was a Friday, I remember it very well. It was a Friday and I wanted to go see my mom. So I remember that day I told my husband, Hey, I want to see my mom. No, but it's late for me and you're not ready. It doesn't matter, I'm leaving.

But I want to see my mom. Because I live here in this palapa and my mom lived in the center, almost in the Malbuena garden and then it was like that, but, but, but, wait, already, running, and I got on, I ran, I came back, we got on a bus and from there, no, a taxi and I remember that my dad gave me at my wedding a phone, a cell phone, from the first Tabicotes and this, and I brought it here, when he got out of the taxi, he fell so I run, when I realize I want to run to the taxi driver

and the taxi driver, when he saw the phone, closed the door and went ahead I run and I fall and he told me, oh, Alejandra, I don't know what you're talking about I was pregnant and then in the subway there were many factors and when I got to my mom, I told her I felt bad. What's wrong? I said I felt really bad. My stomach hurts a lot, my stomach hurts a lot, it hurts.

I went to the doctor at that time, and the doctor who had known me for years, because she was a doctor, told me, you have an abortion threat. You have to apply this, this, and rest. But the next day, Saturday, was the first communion of my brothers-in-law.

So I remember that Arturo came and told me, we have to go because we can miss it. And that part of, it was also the case of being pregnant and being sick. And I left. We took, my dad lent us the car, he took us home and it was already abundant, I mean, bleeding, bleeding. My dad lent us his car, he took us home. He was bleeding profusely.

At night, when I went up the stairs, he was bleeding even more. At dawn, he was bleeding a lot. In the morning, he was bleeding from standing up and spitting. Then I spoke to my dad. My parents have always been my salvation. They took me to a hospital.

That's when they told me, no, not anymore. Your parents took you to the hospital? My parents and him. So it was like, no, not anymore. The pain, obviously, what I was talking about, the pain is different. Because it was a very beautiful illusion, it was something that I never thought about.

I've never lost a baby. Even though I was very young, I never thought about having an abortion. It was always my son. Many teenagers think about having an abortion. Like many teenagers, they go on to say, I'm going to abort. So when I came from the hospital, because I didn't want to stay, and they gave me antibiotics and stuff, I wanted to go out, I wanted to hide, I wanted everything, but at least be there.

I got home, I remember, to my in-laws' house, where I lived, and they were partying. And that part of always wanting to look like you're okay, that part of not showing that things hurt you, the only thing I did was go upstairs. I went up, I lay down, and they started coming. I remember his mom, his aunt from Arturo, my aunt too,

and she was crying. And he said, why are you crying? Don't cry, it's going to pass. And I said, yes, don't cry, it happens to all women. And I said, but it hurts. Ah,, but you got that persona que también esta embarazada Que era Esposa de mi dad Diego me dice este. I know you know security. I see I know to my genus Corroes. Yes He is simple for a la buena cara y se me pone la buena actitude y no se grosera y así de si pues sí She always has a good face, a good attitude, and she's not rude.

So, yes. So, that's how it all started. When we started to have a lot of conflicts, my mother-in-law and I, personal conflicts, because my mother-in-law, for example, she didn't want me to go out with Arturo. So, she took out a diary from the room where we lived.

You have it when you're a teenager. And it had a lot of personal things. Things that are important to you. And she showed it to my wife, like, leave it. And that day was very strong, because I think it was the first strong fight I had with him because what was there, whether he liked it or not, it was part of it and we did not leave, we reached

an agreement, we did not leave and he did things to me, clear things, for example I bought bananas because I made food for everyone, I bought bananas, he said knew I had to eat for everyone. I would buy bananas and say, no, my son doesn't like those bananas. And I would say, well, he's going to eat them. So I would go and buy the bananas and when I got there, my son would say, here are the bananas I bought for you.

But I bought these. So they were little things where I got angry, but I always wanted him to accept me. I don't know why. Time passed, I left his house, we rented a place, I started working at the hospital. I started working when I was 18, almost a year old.

I got married, it was a round too. They didn't let you work? They didn't let me work, my husband. He said, no, no, no, no, no. And I said, yes. And he said, as long as there's nothing missing here,

this and the other. And I said, yes, there's nothing missing, I assure you. And I really didn't do it. I got to work, I got in at 8 in the morning and left at 3. And I got there and went to buy the food and everything. Because I always cared a lot about pleasing him. I always cared a lot about the acceptance of things. And we started working, we started growing, we started buying a car,

and we didn't care much about having a baby. In fact, I didn't take care of myself, but I started having hormonal problems. So they told me, I was already there, didn't take care of myself, but I started having hormonal problems.

So, they told me, I was already there, like, three years married, and when are you going to get pregnant? Soon. And what do you take care of? And I sometimes say, nothing. And why aren't you pregnant? I don't know.

And the pressure was more on his family. And they would say, when are you going to get a baby? And Arturo would look at me and say, no, I'll do it later. And I was like... For example, when I would go on vacation with him,

I had dogs outside. So, they say that when we give him affection, I had dogs outside. They say that we sometimes even give affection to the dogs. I took my dogs to the beach and they told me a lot about their family. Instead of having children, you have dogs. And I said, they hurt me.

Those were words words. One time I remember that he was carrying one of his nieces and they said, you take such good care of your father. If your wife can't, you take one. Or adopt. And I was like, no, no, she possible, but we haven't seen it yet. And I decided, but I've done a lot, right? And we started the treatments. So, a little bit in silence, right?

You were also trying to get pregnant without being able to say... which is great, because today it happens a lot. Women who lose babies, it's like, you can't say you lost it, or better not to say you're pregnant because if you lose babies, it's like you can't say you lost it or better not say that you are pregnant because if you lose it then what are you going to say later? It's a bit like suffering in silence and here from what I hear you are saying it was also a bit the same as I am not being able to get pregnant

everywhere they are pressing me but I can't say anything. I can't because it's also part of oh poor thing you can't and I don't know, I's also the part of, oh poor thing, you can't. And I don't know, I know that... Or you're not worth it as a woman, right? In the clear context of society and family, I realize that many times it's, you're a woman, you grow up, you reproduce and you die. In a few words. is Like the animal that only carries and is not good for... I mean, that's very...

I can talk about it right now. I think my time here and my... But before, no.

It's very violent.

Before, I felt like a mule. I felt like I wasn't the woman. That I was incomplete. That I really was... Like you weren't a woman. Like that.

How can you not have children? If you're a woman, you have to have children. And if not, then what kind of weirdo are you? Because that's how they make you feel. So you started with treatments. I started with treatment.

My first treatment was with a private doctor. I also went to a private doctor. I was also diagnosed with pills, stimulation, everything, nothing. My second treatment was with a private doctor. That was an insemination. But the treatments are really painful. They are very painful emotionally, physically.

Because they do, for example, there is a study called They are very painful emotionally, physically. Because they do... for example, there is a study called hysterosalpingography.

Women are not bothered by the Papá Nicolau, but this one is with a bigger duck, they put you in a chamber, they put you in contrast, they make you turn with the duck inside, and now the right tetra and then to the left blood, it is very painful and apart the other sounds have to be intravaginal and they are every 8 days and then the stimulation drug makes you unbalanced, for example they hyperstimulated me, I had follicles that are the ovules, I had them 10 on one side and 9 on the other. The pain was unbearable. I couldn't walk. When you get down, it hurts.

But I was like, no, no. Very, very painful. Apart from all the emotional pain. Apart from, why do I have to get to this? Why didn't you make me normal? Because I really said it. Why am I not a normal woman?

Or why? What did I do wrong? So, they do the insemination and after 8 days, 15 days, they told me, positive, you're pregnant. And I was like, I'm pregnant, I'm fine, I'm going to get pregnant. And after 2 months, boom, it came. And that's when the fight started because Arturo told me a lot, stop working. And I was like, how am I going to stop working? We're growing, we're spending, we have to give the best.

No, stop working. It will hurt you, you won't be able to do it. And her mother was like, but she is a nessie, women shouldn't work. Why? For what? So it was like, but I have to work. Because I also liked my job. That was another part. Because it was growing professionally,

but at the same time, growing in the family, being a mother.

You were at the peak of your professional life.

And it was good, what I did. It was good. What did you do? In the hospital I started as a captor and then they put me as an assistant of the head of the area.

And then with him when they certify me and everything for example with him, who was the area of control of assistance, he was a boss that really, nothing bureaucratic

he was a boss who brought not a bureaucrat. He was a boss that brought us and made us work. They certified us for ISO 9000 and I felt full because they were certifications that cost you work, that you did and they were days that you were going to ... so he came and told me, today we are going to have breakfast at the sunburst and it was to be on the laptop writing, starting to do the manuals. They were 7,500 workers and I felt wake up, have breakfast on the sandbox, and I would be on the laptop writing, starting to do the manuals. There were 7,500 workers.

And I felt really good. I liked what I was doing. But, for example, I did neglect the house a lot. Because I didn't go out at 3am anymore. I went out at 8am, 9am. Once, in the summer vacation season, in December, I would leave at 2 or 3 in the morning. And that, for example, Arturo would tell me, no more, no more.

Unacceptable.

No more because you don't cook here, no more because you don't wash the things, no more because you don't... So, with all the pain in my soul, when my boss is told, you're going to change areas, you're going to be the boss of what you were. And he tells me, we're going to go to school. And I'm like, I'm not going to be able to. Why? Because I can't take on more responsibility.

Don't tell me that, how you you think, what do you think. And I was like, what are you going to do? I want my change of service. How are you going to go to a pavilion? Yes, because Arturo was already very discontent, Arturo was already very angry,

Arturo didn't want me to be in that area because it took a lot of time. And I changed my job. I didn't know the truth. And when I got to that medical pavilion, which was gastroenterology, they welcomed me very well. Because they really knew what I was working with, how I was working.

And then the delegate accepted me and the delegate helped me, he coordinated, we coordinated the administrative area. And the truth is, they didn't limit me at all. I mean, I could serve you both diet and attend to this ... I am a patient, I get along very well with the nurses, which is sometimes difficult with the administrative and the nurses. And I even one day I told him, can I accompany you? He told me, are you going to hold on? And I said yes. And I even told him one day, can I go with you? He said, are you going to hold on? And I said yes. And I went and amortized a patient who had died.

And I learned many things. I could work with the doctors, I could work with the chameleon smugglers, and they were complicated because they are men and men did not accept the accept women's orders so easily. Especially a 22 year old girl. I was doing well there, but I also had the responsibility of starting with the treatments. And it was very painful. In fact, it was my boss, he saw me when I got pregnant with the treatment,

the delegate, and when I lost it. Because it was in January, I remember it very well. It was January 6th that I started with pain, and I remember it was January 6th because we had a meal with the nurses, because they celebrate the nurses, and I already felt bad. I started with pain and I said, I don't know why. enfermeras porque festeja las enfermeras y yo ya me sentía mal empecé con dolor y es que no sé por qué y siempre a la culpa de Alejandra nunca

a la culpa de nadie más para Arturo era la culpa tuya porque tú no entiendes de que yo no debo de trabajar y te vas creyendo también eso entonces es durísimo no esto que dices de lo vas creyendo allá de repente cuando estás en relaciones machistas porque son los machistas It's very hard, when you say you believe it. When you are in sexist relationships, because we are sexist, I wanted to be careful with Arturo right now, but no. Suddenly you say, someone has to tell you from the outside,

and you are like, yes? You don't realize you are in a toxic relationship, a sexist relationship at that moment. You start to believe it. You don't know it. Because you see that it is not in such a natural way. You are leaving it many times. You think you are being a woman realized, you are, but in half, because if they are putting many traps that you yourself you are accepting without realizing it. And it's not because I say feminism or machismo, but sometimes

Mexico, especially Mexico, I think we have not, or we are evolving, or maybe because I've been here for 13 years, the time I've been here I've seen, but men were very difficult before. It is still very difficult now gender violence has increased because women are already doing what we are doing is confronting men and that the machismo rooted in men is not good for them, so what is happening is that before you had more women who said good that it is good I do not work good that

it is good I stay in my house good that it is good hit me. It's good that I'm okay. Hit me. I'm not saying anything. Or you don't have that many women. You have less women like that and more that confront. You have more violence. And that's more complicated. Really, it's... For example, I remember my boss, the delegate, I remember that I made a format... Because they were very archaic when I arrived in Gastro.

They were with the carbon paper, the sheet, the mechanical machine. I remember I made a format because they were very archaic when I arrived in Gastro

They were with the carbon paper, the sheet, the mechanical machine I arrived and said, my God, I said no And I started to implement easy things So I made formats and I always replicated my formats And my boss took them, I remember one day another pavilion arrived And he said, who gave you that?

Ah, the delegate did it, and I said, it's not true, I did it. And he said he had it. He was already starting to... Then I was a pilot test of a reception program at the hospital

and I did very well. It's very exciting to know that you contributed to such a big program at the hospital. It's exciting to know that you're doing it professionally. is It's by hand, it's not one by one. They are very good happiness. But there came my bad side.

Tell us. Because I was still without being a mother. So, I was doing very well at work, I was very full at work, but not in a family, not in a couple. And that helped to grow my frustration. Because I was like, how is it possible? If I'm good at this, why can't I be?

I don't understand. So when I lost my second treatment, it was like... And the first thing I did was, I told you. But I told you. You're a nerd. You never want to understand. And now what are you going to do? We're going to give you a I told you. You are a nesia. You never want to understand.

And now what are you going to do? We are going to lose a lot of money. Because this treatment is very expensive. There won't be another treatment right now. Because we are going to lose a lot of money. Who told you I want another treatment? But it's like... You are a nesia.

You have always been a nesia. So... What I did was to keep working. I changed to another area of gynecology. I loved being in gynecology. I think it was one of the best areas,

because I got there as an assistant, but as a head of service. And, in turn, I supported the doctor who was leading the maternal death committee from the hospital, but at a national level. So she was already with the medical teaching, with the doctors, with the rotations, with their theses, with their residences. I was already more immersed in something else.

And once I started talking to the doctor, who was my boss too. She was a specialist in perinatology. And she said, I can help you get pregnant. And I was like, really? I'm not going to spend money, right? Take your studies with you and I'll help you. And she took them all, and started to do a treatment.

We started to take the treatment again, stimulation, again, again. And damn, I got pregnant. And obviously the first thing I said was mom, then Arturo, and I'm here. And what are you going to do? Are you going to let me work? And I said no, how do you think? I'm in full, I'm very good here. It's your decision, you know what you want to do. And I say, well, it's fine.

I'm not going to work, but I'm going to get pregnant. I'm going to continue with the pregnancy, but I'm going to be working. Before I turned three months old, we had a pre-certification at the hospital. And obviously, in the pavilions, there are very long procedures because it's from the... everything.

And I remember that day I went home and I had work, I was stressed and I had to take the next day the breakfast, well, fruit for my doctors who were going to come for supervision. So I remember that he took me and I said I I needed to go to the market to buy some cocktails.

And he was like, how can you believe this? I remember I ran down to the market and I came back with some fruits. And he said, if something happens to you, it's your fault. I'm not going to get hurt, nothing has to happen to me. Yes, if something happens to you, it's your fault. Because you're stubborn.

You don't understand. I know. Nothing's going to happen to me. I remember I got to the pavilion. I got off so angry because we started arguing. That I'm stubborn. You don't understand. tatatatatata I sat down on the desk and started doing my work. I stopped and I took charge of the manuals and I felt a very strong tingle.

And I said, something is wrong. Because I started to feel pain. I had already experienced it three times. Yes, you already knew. I already knew. Inside me I said, and everything came to my mind. You are to blame, you don't understand,

if something happens to you it's your fault, you're stubborn. Ok, yes, it's true. I remember that I had a lot of... You get a lot of goosebumps when that happens, a lot. And I didn't want to go to the bathroom for the same reason, because I didn't want to see what was happening. I didn't want to go to the bathroom because I didn't want to see what was happening.

I didn't want to realize it until I couldn't go in anymore and I was bleeding. I told my mom, mom, what happened? She said, wait, I'll inject something, I got out, and she said, go home, rest, and he gave me the directions. I left, took a taxi, thank God I didn't have a cell phone at that time. I got home and I lay down on the couch. I lay down with my head in a bad way if you cool pan Impersona a cool party for las cosas

Empiezas a I'll Darla's a toes in the ratio that the host gain The business in German because it doesn't show me cuerpo ya See I was starting to feel it. You were right. And she would come to me and say, why can't I? And I would talk to the baby,

to my belly, to everything. I would say, please, please, stay, please, please, stay. This is going to be fine, it's going to be fine. I remember that I got up on my knees,

on my back, to my room.

And when I got back in my room.

And when I got in the room, I felt a lot of desire. I couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I lay down. My brother-in-law came and said, What's wrong with that bandage? And I said, Nothing. I feel a little pain in my stomach. Oh, you don't take care of yourself. I fell asleep and then Arturo came and told me,

What now? I told you, I told you. If something happens to you, it's your fault. You don't understand. What's wrong? And I, well, I started to... I told you. I mean, he didn't come, how are you? And you start feeling bad. So he said, are you going to stay? I said no. I'm going to rest today. I remember that I didn't move when he was there.

He was already asleep and I didn't move. And I got up in the morning and went to the bathroom. And it was again, a lot of blood. And I said, again. And it was from that moment, everything that is here with me began. That day, he really started my prison.

Because that was when I didn't want to tell him anything, out of fear. Because I didn't want to hear his scolding. Because I didn't want to hear the scolding, because I didn't want to feel bad. I didn't even say it. I gave birth the next day with the pain that was in my hip, in my body, because really, women know. And I left. To the hospital. And they were like, you don't understand. And I was like, yes, I understand, but I have things to do.

I left and I got home with my dad and boss and I said what are you doing here? And he said that something is not right. We went to the office and he said no, no more. I'm going to send you this, this. I think you're not going to be a mom. You're not going to be able to be a mom. When he told me that word, I already knew it, I didn't accept it, I had illusions, I didn't have illusions, what was going to happen?

The doctor told you that?

Yes. So I left and she said, you calm down, rest, take a few days, and I, with a smile, I'm fine, nothing happens. It's not going to hurt me, but when I went to the consultation chair and I fell down. That's when I cried. I was crying and I asked the girl next to me if she had my paper. I said, do you have my paper? What do you want to give me?

She said, no, I don't have it. I said, what do you have? And at that moment I told her everything. She said, you wanted to have a child, but I wanted to lose one. And that's when I turned to his face and I saw her and I was like, but why? No, the thing is that the father doesn't believe that she's his daughter and I can't have another child

because I already have a daughter and I can't come home with another child, so I come for an abortion. At that moment, Alejandra believed under the celestial court and they told her, Alejandra, that's your... I mean, at that moment I said, maybe God didn't give me the opportunity to be a mother, but I can be a mother here, and maybe he wants me to save this, and then... So, I mean, my head was transversed horribly. And I said, no, going to do it. My head was transversed horribly. And I said, no, don't do it.

And she said a word to me, to throw it away or to give it away, I prefer to give it away. And I said, give it to me, give it to me. I mean, Alejandra was already crazy for that time. I go up, I pass her, I make her file, I open the file, I opened the notebook, I gave her the document that the hospital is not legalized that, she was already 3 months, it is not legalized that, so I could not remember that.

Abort.

Ok. They gave her an appointment, I remember that I gave her for, it was never for sale, I dedicate something like that, it was, I give you for you to buy some vitamins and this, She didn't live with her mom then. Did you talk to her about giving her a gift? Yes, that was the first time that we agreed that when I get free it will be.

So they make her an appointment for the month of April for the ultrasound. And I said, well, yes, I don't know what. But in a certain way

consciousness speaks to you. And I was like, well, yes, I don't know what. But in a way, consciousness speaks to you.

We know well that it's not the method of... Although many people have done it. Many people have told you, give you my son. Sure.

It's much more common than we think.

And we don't think that it's really a requirement of adoption and all that. So, at that moment I said, yes. In the hospital it has happened a lot. In the hospital, unfortunately, there have been many cases of being thrown in the trash can, of being abandoned. And I know what happens with babies.

They are sent to the DI? Do they go to the DIV or are they there? They are in an eternal system, few of them are able to be positioned for adoption. That day I felt that God had enlightened me, that God had given me the opportunity to be a mother in His way. Alejandra didn't tell anyone what had happened.

I didn't tell anyone what had happened.

I didn't tell my best friend.

Especially Arturo, because he never wanted to adopt.

He never wanted to have a child that wasn't his. He always said, you have to be my son. You have to take my blood, otherwise no.

Machismo, machismo, machismo. And I said, but there was a good opportunity when my aunt, her daughter, left her daughter. And I was going to see my grandmother, and the girl hit me a lot. And she told me, my aunt, you should take her. I can't anymore. My aunt was like 80 years old at that time. I can't take care of her. And I remember I told her, let's take her.

We'll take care of her. She's my aunt's, right? Are you crazy? How do you think? She's not my daughter. But we can take care of her. No, no, no Alejandro, no. And I, foolishly, said no. It was always, well, well. That day passed, I got home, I didn't tell anyone.

I didn't tell anyone, Arturo, I didn't tell anyone. I didn't tell Arturo, I didn't tell anyone. Why? Because the first ones to be kicked out were his family. Because I knew how people who had adopted children were expressed. For example, his uncle stayed with a woman who already had a child and they are idiots, right? How can you keep children of other guys? And I know how it's expressed.

So I never wanted to be discriminated against or treated like a child. Because I said, it's going to be like this, I'm going to be with the girl, everything is going to be fine. Nobody told her that I had lost the baby. Nobody told her that she was not pregnant anymore. There was a positive pregnancy test. Until seven months, when I saw her again.

We saw her in ultrasound. She was very small. She was very small, very light So you knew you were going to fake a pregnancy And no one was going to see you And with this girl you were on time On that date Yes, of the ultrasound Because it was when she went, I saw her

I was already in maternity Because I obviously dressed up a mother, my body changed, I knew it wasn't, but my body changed, I modified it, because I didn't want pair of jeans, she was already drunk. I remember she was already loaded on the stairs. I told her, don't worry, I'll pay for the ultrasound. She went to the ultrasound and they told her that the baby was too small and that she was going to be a girl. I left and told her that she was too small, that she had to eat well, that she had to feed herself.

I don't remember exactly if the baby weighed 1.200 or 1.300, and at 7 months it was very little. So what I did was take her to the hospital, to the hospital pharmacy, and buy the vitamins that they had sent her. I bought them and told her, that was when they gave her the date of the week she was going to be released. So I knew that by that date she had to be in the hospital yes or yes.

And that's how it was. It was very strong because in parallel to that, my whole family knew I was pregnant. My whole family treated me like I was pregnant. My grandmother was a love. She took care of me a lot. My mom, my aunts, and a baby shower. My closest friends, Rebecca, Mayela and Susana, they knew.

They knew? No, they were with me, they knew about the baby shower, they helped me buy buy souvenirs.

It was so sad. My life in those months. It's sad because...

...to have that attention, that care, that detail.

And to know that it wasn't. I told Arturo once, when he was... because it was my fault.

He said, I knew something was wrong. I said, why didn't you say it? Because you were stubborn. I said, it's easy to blame someone all the time. I would have wanted someone to dare to say, Alejandro, something is wrong, let's go. I wouldn't have come here. Maybe it would have been very strong and painful,

but I think it would have been more bearable than this. Much better than being in here, of course. I said, if you had told me, you know what, let's go and do it. But you weren't brave. You weren't brave either. The day of the pregnancy came.

The day of the pregnancy came and I started going to the hospital. Obviously I had everything prepared for the baby. I had a room, I had a bathtub, crib, carriola, diapers, clothes, everything. Everything. I had a bathroom, a crib, a carriola, diapers, clothes, everything. Everything. I had everything. We had a baby shower. We had a name. In fact, the name was going to be Natalia.

So, the day came, the week came, and I started on Sunday. It was that Sunday, and I said, why are you going? I have things to do. It was Sunday, it was Monday, it was Tuesday. I always arrived. Obviously, Artemisia, you're crazy. If you're already in the last, how is it possible?

And I said, no, it's just that... it has to be like this. I have to leave my papers, my job, my incapacity. And I arrived on Wednesday. I arrived that day, as always, with the census.

I changed my job. I had to change from gynecology to another job because my mother obviously knew I couldn't continue with the deception with my mother. And I changed. I arrived to Valle Gineco, I said hello to my former colleagues. I changed my clothes and went to the gynecologist. I saw the census but I didn't see her until Wednesday.

I saw her name and I thought, she's here. I went upstairs at 12 while I was telling my mom. What did you feel at that moment? I felt... I felt a lot felt many things, but... It was a different adrenaline.

I've never felt that feeling again. Because it was an adrenaline that could make me tremble. It was something that didn't... I mean, I don't know... When I saw Mayra in the room, I saw that she was lying down, and up to the bottom, the girl was in the crib. I was close to her.

It's weird for moms, because you always have to be in the corner. And I understood, and I said, maybe for a reason. He approached me and said, hello, how are you? Fine, fine, fine, fine, and you? Fine. Everything okay? Yes.

And he told me to go to the bathroom. Yes. I take her to the bathroom, but when I take her, he takes off my sweater and puts it on. I never noticed that there was my coat on in that sweater. You didn't think about it.

I didn't think about it. I wasn't feeling well. So I took her to the bathroom and I said, do you feel sick? Do you have a fever? She said, yes. That's what happens to me. That's what happened to me the first time. So I went to the nurse and I said,

my neighbor has a fever or whatever. She said, yes, we'll check it out. I took her and she stayed with the sweater. She didn't have anything, absolutely nothing for the baby. Nothing, not even diapers, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. I had already taken her because my idea or my plan was to find her the next day, that she she would leave on one side,

and they would give her a high-five, and she would sign a document, a document that no one would bother her, but I would have it, and take her out on the emergency side, and I would leave on the other side. Obviously, I was not going to see my family in bed, and I couldn't take the baby out without a blanket. So, days before, on Monday, I had brought a bag with me

where it was the size of a shoe box, made of cardboard, with a blanket, two blankets, two blankets and a blanket. So, what I did was to get, bought some diapers, water, and that's it. I came back. Did you feel she was hesitant to give you the baby?

No. I felt cold. She didn't have the strength to do it. I felt cold. I felt cold. I felt cold. I came back there. Did you feel that she was hesitant to give you the baby? No, I felt her cold.

She was lying down, how far can I tell you? Here is the bed and the baby was like by the post. So far? Yes, I mean, she was not... About 3 or 4 meters? More or less.

Because she was lying down between the bed and the wall. And she was leaning against the window. I thought it was because I didn't want to see her for the same reason. So what I did was to carry the girl. I carried her and everything, and shortly after, around 2 in the afternoon, I don't know if it was around 12, around 2 in the afternoon, a man came.

He said, it's my baby, and I said, I turned to see her,pm. I went in and asked him if everything was ok. I saw her standing there. He said everything was ok. I saw her standing there. He said he was going to pay me. I said ok. I said ok. I said ok. I said ok.

I said ok. I said ok. I say, what happened? Is everything okay? And I saw her standing up. She said, yes, everything is fine. I saw her standing up and bathing. She said, but she's going to pay me. She's going to pay me.

And I was like, oh. I didn't want her to get mad or think or anything. I didn't want her to fail or anything. She's going to pay me. I want to make a call. I need to make a call. I make the appointment and give them my cell phone.

He goes out to the corridor, I stay with the girl, and when he comes back he says, I'm going to Chihuahua. And I say, what? Yes, I'm going to Chihuahua, goodbye. And I'm like, what do you mean you're in Chihuahua? With the girl, without the girl, what? Everything was going around me, like there were... Like you didn't understand what was happening.

No, I was like, what now? She left and I was like, God, she did leave me this and that, and she came back for a plastic bag. And she said, I still remember that he raised his two thumbs. He said, see you. And I was like, how am I going to do it? How am I going to get out of here? What do I do?

There was a moment when I doubted. There was a moment when I wanted to turn around and say goodbye. I'm leaving too. I'm leaving, I know it's going to be hard. Maybe I'll go away with Arturo, my family, but... Maybe you'll go away.

And I left. But I said, what about the girl? What's going to happen to the girl? Is she going to go to the DIF? No, I can't do it.

What's the child's fault? How am I going to do it? I can't. And I came back. And that's when I said, no matter how hard I've worked,

they're not going to let me go out with a baby. How can I do that? I started to think, what should I do? The only option I had was to make a baby carrier. I didn't put it on like this and cover it with blankets. It was a baby carrier with where I put the blanket all the way down.

The bag wasn't very high. I put the baby, I covered her, I never covered the baby. And I left. Through the hospital cameras I left the gynecology at 6.34. I left the gynecology. And I said, I'll find her and I was curious. You could go out without any problem?

Yes, I could go out without any problem. I was very happy. I was very happy. I was very happy.

I was very happy. I was very happy. and I left I left the hospital

and curiously You could leave without any problem?

Yes, yes I left and when instead of walking in the direction of the car I walk in the opposite direction and when I walk in the opposite direction I hear him yelling Ale!

I turn around and when I turn around, it's Arturo.

And how did Arturo know?

Because he knew he was going to relieve me, so he tells me that he was talking to Leamara, my hospital colleague, to see if he could come in to see me.

So you had already told him you were going to relieve yourself?

Yes, and he already knew that I was going to be relieved. That I was already in the hospital to be relieved. So he was wanting to come in to see me. And when he sees me he says, What did you do? What I didn't tell him in nine months, or rather in seven months,

I told him right there. I said I can't have children, and he said, how can you not have children? They gave me a baby, and he said, Are you crazy? And I said, no, I can't have children. They gave me a baby and he said, Are you crazy? And I said, no, they gave it to me.

No, you're wrong. Then he turned around to the hospital and said, Get out. Get out and come back. And I said, but how am I going to get her back? Her mom is no longer there. I don't care. Get out and come back.

Then he opened the door and I got off the car. I said, I just think that the girl is not to blame and she is going to go to the DIF. She stayed like that and said, but I want a son of mine. I don't know how you are going to do it, but I want a son of mine. I said, yes, yes, I swear I'm going to get in the truck. I mean, I was very bad. I was very bad.

Anyway, I came back. I got in the car and he said, What were you going to do Alejandra? He was crying. I was crying. I said I was going to a hotel.

Let's go. We arrived. He said I'll be back. I said you're not going to come back and said, I'll be back. I said, you're not going back. He said, yes, I'll be back. I stayed at the hotel and he said, just put down the diaper I had prepared in the car. Because you know, you have to have the diaper ready.

He said yes. He put down the diaper. I remember that the hotel had water bottles, my father gave the girl a bottle of water and I gave her that. I was there for a few minutes, hours, I don't know how many days. And that's when I said, I want to talk to you, and I realized that I didn't have my cell phone. Because I didn't know the numbers.

And I said, my cell phone, where is my cell phone? Where is my cell phone? I didn't remember. I didn't remember that I had left it there. So what I do is call my aunt, who lives near my house, and I say, aunt, how are you? Congratulations, daughter. She says, isn't Arturo here? I said, yes.

She said, don't worry, I'll answer. I said, you're not coming, right? Tell me. No, I'm going over there. He arrived, and he was angry. My mother-in-law had already arrived by then.

To the hotel?

No, here, to the house home because she was waiting for me. She told me, I don't know what you're going to do or how you're going to do it, but I want a son of mine. I said, yes, yes, yes, I'm going to do it, I swear. I hope so. I said, yes. I stayed like that, I stayed lying down. He was like angry with me, obviously.

Very serious, very quiet. We went to bed. At 12 o'clock the big operative arrived, who detained me. He was hitting the door, pointing at me. They took me off the door, they beat me, they pulled my hair, they pushed me, they hit him and they said, I said, this girl was a gift, and he said, no, I don't know what, I don't know how much,

and they took me to the agency. And they said, who are your accomplices? And I said, no, I have no accomplices. They beat me up. And from there they put me first in child robbery, then I don't know why, they put me in child corruption, and from there they put me in subtraction and detention. But with subtraction and detention, which wereions, which were the acts and the hours, because they were not completed, not even 12 hours, me and the minor, that crime was corresponding. But I would have gone with a bail because the maximum is 4 years.

At that time it was very, very sound or it was very recent, the death of the children of the ABC was very recent. The fire. And the press started to focus on me. I feel that's why they gave me the reflectors, because it really wasn't like... The case wasn't like... And as you can see, the arrest and detention is very short, they send me to the federal police.

They send me to AFI Camarones, and in AFI Camarones they identify me as a criminal. And I remember that time very well. Because in AFI there are tunnels, where you go down, and they put you in a tunnel, you have lamps, you don't know if it's day or night, you don't know anything. And I was really very blocked, I was very... It wasn't me.

I was... Now I understand that I was... The doctors here, when they did the psychological and criminological tests, told me that I was in a mental disorder.

In the United States there is a terminology that is not used much here, which is temporary insanity, which means that you are temporarily crazy. And that has a lot of weight because it is humanizing the person who commits a crime and understanding the social, psychological and biological context that exists around that person so that they commit a crime or an action

that is classified as antisocial. That is something that I find very interesting about your case. But I think we have to break it down in many ways, but I would like you to finish telling us. So, what happened? How...

This is the other part, right? You go out with the baby. What happened in the hospital to end up being detained in the hotel? It's the other party no Salas con el bebé que paso en el hospital para que terminarán

Deteniendo tenen lo siete. I look at you know, it's supposed to be a mentor some causes came and each oh Pero por ejemplo Gracias a Dios. I think it'll much scum You crook in this me and are me permit a tener muchos compañeros He has a lot of colleagues. I never imagined they would be here. From the laundry man to the people who saw me and told me it was not valid. I found out that at 7 p.m. the hospital, the consultation. They say security started to close the first level.

She was in the second level. The mother? Gynecologist, first level, second level, third level, offices. That's how it is. They say she was in the first level, in the bathroom, with a pair of jeans. I don't know.

What I do know is that they say, for example, they say they told her, what is this, ma'am? Because when the bathroom is closed, they go in to see if there is no one, and they find her there. And they say, what is this, ma'am? It's that she comes to the bathroom. Well, the bathroom is upstairs. They go up and say, where is your baby?

Oh, I don't know. But he's going back. They took her. But he's going back because he left me his cell phone. That he left me his cell phone is in the file. But how? Yes, he left me his my phone. They start to see me and that's when they report me until 7.20pm, the night of my disappearance. I left at 6.30pm. That's when I go to my room and say... So they started to close because it was already night?

Yes, because it was 7pm. No, no, no.

And what was she doing, do you know?

They told me she was on the first floor. But doing what? What was she doing? I was told she was on the first floor. What was she doing? What was she waiting for? I don't know. What I can tell you is that I know that the media arrived much earlier than the police. Media that later paid a good fine. It's well known that at that time Palomino was there. Who was there? I don't know. Felipe Calderon was there, right?

Yes, it was Calderon. And... Mancera. In fact, his attorney, who was Mancera, he said it because he was interviewed, he said, hey, there's a gang that steals kids, and so on,

and his attorney turned around and said, because I saw it, and he said, no, the women had an agreement, there was an agreement, but there is no gang, it was an agreement from before the child was born, but no, it's not a robbery.

What happened, what did they say, I don't know. I tell you, for example, I found out that my colleagues, in fact there was an attack, because a colleague of mine, two colleagues, went to the dining room and they see that this boy, the alleged father of the girl, is in the dining room because he sued the hospital for a million pesos and told him that he wanted my work base

I wanted him to give him the job. In fact, in the program of Adela Michal Adela Michal says, well, a return, happy home, he said no, we don't live together, ah, they don't live together, they are not married, no

He said then, no, I don't have a job and I ask ask President Calderón to give me a job because I can't keep this situation, so I don't have a job. And that's when Adela said, I think you can open a hole in Angora or something. Because they said, how then, you don't have a job, you don't see they say, how come you don't have a job? You don't see her? How?

I mean... And how come your concern is not to steal my baby? I mean... In fact, I remember that like 3 months later,

she left the communication, she didn't want to have sex with me. The first thing she asked was not to have sex with me. So, what I asked was always to have sex with me. So what I asked was always to have sex. I thought she was going to tell the truth. Obviously it's not going to be like that because it's either her or me being here.

It's obvious. Nobody is going to want to be in jail. So I saw her again until I was two years old. My process lasted two and a half years. And what did she say to the media? I imagine you saw her on TV from here. I only saw one interview where she said,

No, it's not true. I didn't know her. I had never seen her. But how do you know so many things? I don't know. Then the boy told me that I was dressed as a nurse.

When it's not true! He has a kofia. Kofias have not existed in nurses since 10 years ago. 10 years ago when I arrived. They did not exist. And according to him I wore glasses, kofia, coats, countless lies.

As you see in the videos, I was not dressed as a nurse. I have a beige pants and a The way I look in the videos, I'm not dressed as a nurse. I have a beige pants and a white shirt. A white blouse. A short sleeve blouse,

and my beige pants, from maternity.

Where is the nurse's pants? I think your case is very symbolic because one leaves a lot to be desired in the criminal justice system when one understands that not only what the laws say

can really reflect what happens in society. In criminology, it is time, reason and motive to carry out a crime. And suddenly it seems in this country that you approach a judge to give a psychological dictation and they throw it away. How are you going to insult their intelligence if the laws say,

the laws say what is this? You take a baby without permission, or that is child abduction, or kidnapping, or deprivation, whatever. But I think there is a very pending debt in this country for humanizing the criminal justice system and your case is a case of study thesis to understand how we have to humanize the system because if in your case instead of one showing up as a clown in the media, showing up your case in that way medios de comunicación exhibir tu caso de esa manera para que los medios de comunicación de terminar an que tú eras una roba bebes no y por poquito y si no fuera por manzana te hubieran puesto ahí que quedas una oficial de de redes y lo

vemos todo el día no con muchas mujeres que están aquí que su historia nada que ver con lo que se dice se dice allá afuera pero también el integrar todo lo to do with what is said out there. But also integrating everything we talked about in the first minutes of this space, about how we go crazy in certain social situations, and mental health has an important weight in the decisions we make in the things we do. From saying... We were talking about it a while ago when we were recording about the trailer.

The trailer is in jail for I don't know how many homicides, for that accident that happened in Santa Fe, where she fell asleep and went against all cars and hurt all those people. A murderer. Irresponsible. What if she had been working for 10 days because she had to pay for her son's medication with cerebral palsy? We don't know. And we don't include it in the investigation files. Paralysis, no sabemos y tampoco lo integramos dentro las carpetas de investigación

por ello cuando le dije al juez y se lo dije a mi jueza en ese momento por eso le dije No soy mala cometió un error eso no lo voy a negar

cometió un delito si porque la mejor forma es la adopción más bien lo correcto es la adopción no lo hice pido perdón y lo pido perdón siempre because the best way is adoption. Rather, the correct thing is adoption. I didn't do it. I apologize. And I always apologize. But just judge me with what I did. Yes, with what you did, with the facts, with the truth. Look, Ale, that in the Catepec Penal there is a woman who is like your shadow, from the state of Mexico. She is in jail and ironically thanks to her they caught the monster of Catepec and his wife, Juan Carlos and Patricia. Nobody knows this but Juan Carlos and Patricia are caught for trafficking a baby that was stolen, but they didn't steal it, they killed the last victim and took the baby out.

And they sell the baby. Nobody knows her story. Everyone sees her as the accomplice of the Gathepec monsters. She and her husband, who stole the baby. I feel like talking to her. In the media, she is like the other monster not the one that

was going to start the treatment program almost with the monsters that now they were going to kill pregnant women and sell babies his position that was what I said I remember when I talked to her she I had been wanting to adopt for years she has a position in the market. She lives in a situation of... She lives in the day, she doesn't live with luxury. She lives in EKTP, which is a low-income area.

And her dream was to be a mother. Like that, her dream was to be a mother. And she couldn't get pregnant, and couldn't get pregnant, and couldn't get pregnant. Until one day she told her husband, well, let's adopt. And she says, she will never forget the day that El Diff came to my house. And they saw me, they saw my house.

Oh Lord, you are very screwed. How do you want to bring a creature here, if you don't have it, but not for you. People like you, so fucked up, poor, shouldn't think about being parents. You better stick to your own thing and try to get out of it day by day. Besides, not a job just because you're in the market

knowing that you sell... Like that, the one from the DIF. And he left. The next day, Patricia arrives, at that time we didn't know she was the monster of Katepek, and she tells her, there is a woman who wants to go to the United States,

she was raped, and she wants to go to the United States, and she is going to kill her baby. Because she, apart from being the product of a rape, the girl, and so, well, no, no, no, no, her dream is to go to the United dreams and states does not want to be a mother and is going to kill the girl imagine that woman who has been wanting to get pregnant for years, wanting to be a mother, that the

diff already told her that she is a fucking bitch because that is what I told her, that you will not have the opportunity to adopt that you will not have the opportunity to adopt because how are you going to bring this posylga to a child? Telling them they're going to kill a baby?

It hurts a lot, a lot. It can hurt a lot. For me, really, that part of... There was a moment where I blasphemed. Because I told God, Why do you know I want to be a mother? Why do you know I could have a good baby?

Why don't you give me that opportunity? It's something normal, something natural. I should be a mother. I really wanted a baby. And I tell you something, I sometimes see and I say

how does God give bread to those who don't have teeth? Because I see here, for example, many mothers who are mothers with their children and many mothers who are not mothers with their children. So, sometimes that part where you say, I have blood with the children.

I mean, the kids look for me and my friends' babies, we are 10 friends and they always go with me. They tell me, you have a lot of patience. How do you have so much patience? I don't know. I love them and I really can't stand seeing a child suffer. I don't know, I don't want to see a child suffer. I don't know.

A baby is a light in this place and a light for the world. A baby is something very beautiful. And being a mother, as I told my husband, here was a girl who came to me and said, I don't want to be a mom, I'm pregnant, but I don't want to.

And I said, try it. It's complicated here. She came to me because she knew why she was coming, and she said, aren't you interested in a baby like that? And I said, no, not now. She said, I'm like this. And I... Now she's not interested.

She told me, I'm pregnant, but I can't have a baby here. I said, well, neither can I, love. How can I help you? I can't help you. But they told me you're going to be free,

you're going to miss that, so I have a year left. And I said, it's not rudeness, nor do I want to help you, but I can't help you. One, because things are not done like that. Two, I'm not in economic conditions, not even right now, to provide for a baby.

And three, my plans are plans to be a mother anymore. I accepted with all the pain in my soul the disability that one has of not being a mother. Because that's how it is, and that's very strong. That word of disability,

of not being a mother, because that's how it is, you're not going to look like a biological mother. Maybe at some point, my nephews, for example, have been like my children. I see them, I love them, they love me. They come here, they want to see me. And I see them with so much love, the girls here, my two friends who have their babies. For example, right, the little one,

and I told her, when you're done, will you let me borrow it? She said, yes, take it. Because obviously, take it to eat. I said, yes. And I said, I would like my daughter to go to an academy because it's very good for everything about dancing and all that.

I said, if I can, I'll help you. I'm going to do it. And I'm going to do it. You're going to do it. And you're going to be able to live a very different reality, a second chance. That's what they told me. Mothers are not like...

Before it was more discriminatory not to be a mother. And now I see it on television. There's even a comedy that made me remember a lot, where I played the actor in the other person, who can't be a mother. I said, I've wasted my youth waiting to be a father with you,

and you can't. I remember it so much, it was like a flashback. I remember when Arturo told me, I think you can't. What are we going to do if you can't? And my first reaction was, well another one. Come on, run. I even told Kiselo, because she was telling me, she was still a kid,

she was telling me, when you leave you're going to undergo treatment so we can be parents. I said, hey, wouldn't you rather go with someone else and achieve your dream? I don't know. He said, you're so selfish. Instead of telling me to do it, I'm going to be here waiting for you. I couldn't do that anymore. I found myself with him and my biggest fear was that you would leave me. And now I realize that I can live without you. You are a good compliment, you are definitely a good man.

He has supported me in being in jail.

But it's really painful to see that your partner wants to be a father and you don't understand that part.

Because it's like we're back to the same thing. I believe that life will be as it should be. You survived Santa Marta, you survived in jail, Arturo is still watching you, who knows what will happen tomorrow, literally tomorrow you leave, but you have an opportunity for freedom and here I think you learned from many friends of yours that they will never leave again. And... And I think you already made peace with many parts of your life. And don't let anything take away that peace.

I don't... I wish you that you find this new stage of your life in living full freedom. And that you don't get into a marriage again,

where violence and machismo prevails. If Arturo is the man for you, that he has behaved wonderfully and has been here by your side, that he loves you and takes care of you as you are, that he accompanies you in this process, because this is not the reinsertion.

The reinsertion is the one you are going to start living tomorrow. Get used to being outside. Getting used to real life. To be with your husband all the time, with your family. And I can only wish

that you live it full and happy. And that every day you live knowing what it is to not live freedom. Because many of us don't know what it is to live non-freedom. And we spend a live in freedom. Because many of us don't know what it's like to live in non-freedom. And we spend a lot of time in life.

No, and the truth is, what I was saying, there are times when when you're outside, you don't contemplate the most insignificant thing,

which is the crickets, the crickets' song at night. And that's what I really miss so much. Being able to sit at the banquet, listen to the crickets and see the night. I haven't felt the air of the night for so long.

Of course, because they lock you up. You have a hole in your cell that is where you can see reality. And that weighs a lot on me because I did learn a lot in Santa Marta. the reality. Life of the Rose, Vanessa, Edwina, Diana, who were there from day one. And as you say, sometimes it's very difficult to know that it's very dark, sometimes a panorama for them, of freedom.

And leaving them hurts, because they become your family.

They are in the moments when you needed the most. And leaving them hurts because they become your family. Without a doubt.

They are in the moments when you needed them the most. Because the ones outside are outside in a way far away, present but far away. And they are the ones who are advising you, listening to you. Yes, being with you 24 hours a day. And it's complicated. It's definitely a happiness that definitely have, that I have.

But on the other hand, it's very sad that justice is still the same. Because if for me, it wasn't a kidnapping, they denied me my benefit.

Yes, the ones who are here will never get out. And with much greater penalties.

Or that they are not even sentenced. Of course. I know that in my case, at first I was the most stubborn woman. The one who dared to do it. I ask all the people, all the women, to empathize more. To empathize more, because I think that those who are fortunate to be mothers,

know the great love that is having a baby. And those who are not, we are also women, we are no less. It hurts us not being able to be mothers, when you want it, and sometimes that social pressure, family pressure, makes you feel less. It takes you out of yourself, you feel like you're nobody, like we said a while ago, you even start to doubt your own thoughts,

your own instincts. There is a concept, Ale Ale that I don't know if you know, it's quite new in this feminist wave that now exists out there, you will see it, you will live it, which is called sorority. And I believe that all of us as women need to be more sorority among us. And I wish you to meet many women out there who are like you, who have your story, and that we learn from these kinds of things. And to close, I can't be happier that you're going free tomorrow. I swear, I think I'm not going to sleep tonight. No, I can't sleep. I'm so excited. I can't sleep, I swear. I can't sleep, I'm like...

What am I going to do? I mean, I look at my space and I say, I'll never see you again.

Thank you. I look at the lists, I pass the lists and it's my last list, it's my penultimate list. Today I woke up, it was like, today is Tuesday's Tuesday, I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm leaving tomorrow. It's a feeling that... They tell me, What do you feel? You've felt when you were a kid, that pure feeling of the kids

that you say, the kings are coming and you can't sleep and you feel that, I don't want to, I want to see myself, I want this, I want that. And at the last minute you say, I can't sleep! I feel that great emotion of when you were a child,

and I really see myself as a child. And now I hug myself and I say, I apologize a lot, because that girl who was Alejandra, she didn't deserve to be here. She didn't deserve to be treated like that. And I asked for forgiveness. I asked for forgiveness to Alejandra.

And here I didn't become tough, but more empathetic. I don't owe the judge anything because I was convicted. I paid for the punishment imposed on me by the law society. I go out with the intention of helping. And in my heart there is no hatred. Really.

or to those who accuse me, or to those who point me out. I go out with the intention of helping.

and my microphones will always be open for your story. And to follow you, I hope we can talk again when you are out there. I would love to. And follow this chapter, which is just one day before you go out on your freedom. You know I would love to, you know I love you a lot. You are a big angel here, really. You are like your sweatsh really, you are like your sweater, you are white, you are a person who brings light to this place, who brings light to the light here.

Imagine helping the children, the one who listens to us, the one who empathizes, the one I remember when I met you and you were like, you were listening to me and you said, are you serious? So many stories that you know and more you, that you have lived not only those stories but other prisons. So your work is infinite love. And if I can help you, help you see reality, I will help you.

Thank you very much. And I want you to help me.

I will help you, count on me. I mean, I will be here. What an illusion. Thank you, my Anne.

I love you. I love you.

I love you too.