590. Cazzu sobre feminismo, resistencia y perreo

There's always someone who's bothered by a woman who's taking over.

We talk about female liberation, but it seems like it's still a liberation in terms that are acceptable for the male gaze. I fell in love a few times, I had a few relationships, and I feel like it was good. In my house, you could doubt and disagree. How do you stay open-minded to devastating realities? And at that moment, I'm a criminal.

Because if I'm quieter, I still have consequences. Love, everything is bought. The only thing that's not bought is time. I'm sorry, but you were right.

I'm going to tell you something that will make my mom embarrassed, but...

I think one day...

Greetings to the Pau Madikas.

Mom, sorry.

I don't know how to explain the emotion that we both feel at this moment of sharing this space. I think that if something has united and characterized me and Ash throughout the years, it has been studying and seeing other women up close who have given us new ways of imagining our reality, new ideas that have invited us to question our own path, to open spaces. And when they told us that CASO was coming to Mexico, that it was going to present a book, we both said, well, maybe it's going to be a biographical book where it tells us its story.

We still want to know it and of course we would like to do it. But we were surprised to see the depth of her vulnerability. In this book, you are willing to question contradictions that all women have felt in our own paths. How do you talk about each of the processes that have happened to you? How do you open your mind and your processes? And in that, at least you give us two so many new doubts, so many conversations and so many possibilities.

So first I wanted to thank you andida a hacer regalanduras.

Y yo quiero aplaudir.

Me encanta estar acá.

Gracias por venir. Algo también que me encantó del libro y que en un mundo donde hay tantas interpretaciones, me encantó lo educada y lo. And I think we need many more educated voices. and I loved reading you like this. I appreciate it so much. Thank you. Mikazu, first question, I think for all the people who maybe don't know you that much,

or who know a little bit about you, who is Kazu, how does he grow, how does he approach these ideas of feminism, how does he decide dedicarse a la música? Y un poco, si pudieras resumirnos, ¿qué te trae a este momento de tu vida? No, bueno, es difícil resumir porque yo digo siempre que tengo una vida muy barroca y muy llena de detalles y todos esos detalles terminan haciendo lo que una es. Pero bueno, yo nací en el norte de Argentina, muy lejos de la gran ciudad.

Siempre me gusta contar esa historia porque yo digo, en un lugar donde no se supone que nacen las estrellas. Y he tenido una crianza muy, muy de pueblo pequeño, And I had a very small, very free childhood, with a lot of freedom, to play until 10 at night in the square, and walk again alone without anything happening to you.

But music was very present in my family and in my life, and I quickly knew that there was something for me there. When the first doors closed, which was the first thing that happened to me when I was very young, when I was somehow denied, I knew that creativity is not only about... The creativity of Kasu is about having been able to create paths, not just songs. Because one can create songs, but for those songs to have inhabited,

he had to have created paths and escape, right? Like places to escape. If I had to take a picture in my head, it would be that, right? Like, I peek here, I get in here, I hide here, I wait here, here I speak, here I make myself noticed, here I hide again. And so, and so, until here.

Until this day came. I read in your book that you grew up in a very religious environment. Lety and I also grew up in Catholic schools, with consecrated nuns and all that. Do you think that, and I always say that this is the first act of resistance I did, how much did the way you did it influence you the way you grew up and the stories that were told around you? I see you as this woman that you have had to reveal a lot, but what about your upbringing that made you a warrior?

Was it that part of religion, was it growing up in a place where you didn't see opportunities? What was it? I don't know, but religion appears in my life at a particular moment, which is when I enter high school. Because my house wasn't a religious house, to be honest. And I think that was also positive. Because my parents let me see certain opinions as controversial.

And I say that the first precursor of the originality of my sister's life is my mom. She, along with my dad, or something like that, agree that maybe we don't need to be baptized, that maybe we don't want to be Catholic. So we grow up without being baptized, and since it's a small town, it is a stigma. So when I was little, I wanted to start catechism because I saw that my classmates from elementary school went and learned,

and I think it was two classes that I was super bored in two classes.

But from that moment on, not feeling like part of something...

And since my mom always knew how to make not being part of something, something like resistant and particular, and not necessarily that it was bad... We quickly got that attitude, that started with my mom. Like, if they said that about her, if she... My mom had a business and sometimes she was... She had a lot of bad mood and she didn't care if people liked her. So I think that was one of those revolutions too.

And that's how we learned. We learned to take a stance and stay there. So then I went to a Catholic school, Christian, very religious, with a very hard doctrine. And of course, I become a person of a lot of questioning.

Like, how? How is this possible? I remember once a teacher that I have a deep respect for and love, and may he rest in peace, my teacher of doctrinal formation. I think he was so committed to the organization, right? That it was more that than what he believed. So sometimes he would teach us things like that, very quickly.

And once he made a triangle, which was like the triangle of food, you see? Where the whole board was God, and up here was the Pope, and up here the saints, the cardinals, the priests, and down there the nuns, and then the rest. So I said, but God loved us all equally. And that's where it started. It started with me. My path, I have a path that I think, like every feminist woman, we have a path of many questions about religion. At this age of my life, I say, thank God, I respect it, I respect my culture. I say, I believe in God because I love my culture, you know?

Because it's in your country.

Because it's in my country, because people bless me and I embrace it. And when someone comes and tells me, God blessed you, I take that blessing. But a lot has to happen for that. A lot of questioning, a lot of questions, a lot of conversation. I've had to read a lot, a lot. I read a lot.

There was a moment when I was totally obsessed with the history of religion. And I said, here I'm going to understand what's going on.

I identify a lot because I feel that one of the reasons why we decided to start Give Yourself Doubts and this space was for all those unsolved doubts, right? That you grow and as you say, it doesn't matter the country in which you are born and grow up, the religion that is professed, the industry in which you enter, you begin to find not only as a woman, as a person, a stream of incoherences, incongruities, things that make no sense. And for many years, what we were told, at least to us, was like, don't bother.

Things are like that and that's how they are. So, you know, I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit more. El que tú levantaras la mano y dijeras, pero no entiendo por qué es así o por qué no podría ser de otra forma o dónde están las mujeres o cualquier cuestionamiento, no?

Siempre fuiste esa niña, porque yo veo en el libro una mujer que. Que al parecer siempre ha usado su voz. En todos los espacios en los que. Porque en mi casa se permitía, porque en mi casa se permitía has used her voice in all the spaces in which she has. And they think very differently from each other. And they have always expressed their thoughts. I have a very political sister. I have a mother who is revolutionary in many of her aspects.

My grandmother founded a cooperative school, which was where I did my elementary school. I graduated like that. So I come from a place where all women always had something to say. And everything they said was to try to be heard. So I didn't grow up in a place where you couldn't express your thoughts and contradictions. And there is the conflict and the fight and he goes leaves and he gets up and he stops. I always say that in my family men have lasted very little.

We always end up being us, I say, until I had male cousins who took a long time to arrive and they, well, they grow up in this context in which there are many women giving their opinion and telling them, you are not going to be like that. I grew up the same way, and now that you mention it, there are a lot of women around me.

Also a super leona mother, whether you like it or not, I turned to her and said, if she could, I was just talking to a friend, I remember a girl that my mom never wore a bra. And I remember seeing her boobs and I was like...

How? How are you going to go out with... Besides, my mom is a b... And now that I'm the one who doesn't wear a bra all day, I'm like, mom, if I taught you... You're absolutely right. It's amazing to come from mothers who...

Because I see the other side of the coin, so many women who have had to find their freedom despite their mother, despite their family, that it has cost them their family relationships to be in a place where they can be heard. I also feel very privileged to have had a mother like that.

And it's not always about being heard. Sometimes it's about learning from the discussion. Learning to discuss. To discuss whether it's good or bad. But I do think that my mom has been in so many disagreements. I imagine that sometimes I say,

I'm not going to do what you did. I'm not going to do this, what you did. I'm not going to do this. And I have her as an example of this or not. And then I realize that she was the one who made us like this. You know? Like, like reviewing too.

I remember, I'm going to tell you something that my mom is going to die of shame.

But I remember that one day—

Greetings to the mother of the house.

Mom, sorry. He said... I didn't have a boyfriend in high school. I had entered into a kind of... Of course, you have to respect the body, but not for a matter... Maybe something related to religion, but above all it was because... Because I already loved myself, I already I was in love with him. I was in love with him. I was in love with him. I was in love with him.

I was in love with him. I was in love with him. I was in love with him. I was in that I was not going to... I would go with my friends, with their things, I don't know. And there was a moment when she sat down and looked at me and said,

Why don't you have a boyfriend? And I said, I don't know. I know she thought I liked women. I said, because I don't want to. I don't know, because I'm not in that. I'm going to tell you one thing. In this world, there is something called the table of shits.

So you have to have a lot of boyfriends and see which of all those starter pack of men is less I was like, at least, you son of a bitch, you were all little pussies. So you grow up and you realize faster, from the beginning, that it's no use. So I told her, mom, what you're teaching me is terrible.

Of course, she wanted to save me a path, you see.

She knew. It wasn't the best way to convince me. It was like, mom, this is terrible. I wanted you to know everyone well. It didn't happen like that. I fell in love a few times, I had a few relationships and I feel like it was good. But those little moments when she got nervous and upset and said, in this life, everything is bought, she told me one day.

Everything is bought, people, things, love, everything is bought. The only thing that is not bought is time. And that's how I went for it. I said, I don't have time. There is no time to lose. So, when I tell her, I remind her of these lessons,

she tells me, daughter,, daughter, forgive me. Forgive me. I tell her, mom. Forgive me, but you were right. But one is also born with a personality, I imagine, and chooses to select all that to use it as a flag, right?

You start your book saying that for a long time you didn't want to do it because you were imperfect when writing a book, because you gave your ideas incomplete, if they weren't going to have the depth you wanted. What do you think of your book now? Is it imperfect? Is it perfect? How do you feel?

Because I loved that you started with that, because while we have navigated everything we have done with perfecto como te sientes porque me encantó que empezaste con eso porque mientras hemos navegado todo lo que hemos hecho con se regalan dudas esta idea de que tenemos que hacer proyectos perfectos podcast perfectos y dijo por la gente en discos pero la entrevista perfecta hay esta presión extra que sé que hablas mucho de en el libro pero te quería preguntar de esa de There's this extra pressure, which I know you talk a lot about in the book, but I wanted to ask you about that. How is your relationship with the book now that you've finished it?

I think the book is perfect to be that door that I wanted to create. When I read it, of course I think, I say, oh, I could have said this, I could have said the other thing, but what was available was said. And I learned, I think it was a great learning in my life, that when things are available and you've already turned them around,

there they are, you have to know how to capitalize them. I think that... I look at the book and, well, I was just telling the girls, and I deny a lot that I have my face, for example. I say, guys, why? Why is there a book with my face? Why like this? Why didn't I put this here? But, but really, I realize that it is what it has to be to introduce people or invite people to read about these topics that are perhaps the birth,

they are a trigger for many books later, very complex and full of things that I mention, books that accompanied me. Or even to open conversations, I felt it as if this catalyst, that happened to me today in the morning, we were talking and I was like, if this catalyst for what happened to me and Ashley in the morning,

we were talking and I was telling her, we as listeners of music, reggaeton and trap, many times we also fall into that contradiction that you talk a lot about, how you accommodate the path of a feminist woman, sometimes with certain lyrics or with certain ideas that are around reggaeton music. And then I read you and said,

of course, but at the same time they are songs that have empowered me and liberated me a lot and that fascinate me to dance and dance. I also feel that it opens a very important conversation that we had not dared or we did not know how to have. And it is a conversation that I think that for a long time

it caused me a lot of fear. And it's a conversation that I think, for a long time,

it caused me a lot of fear. All the time I had it, I had it there. And I talked to my close people. What do you think of this that I wrote? And so I was also finding that value. I read it to men.

I said, what do you think of this? And it's like, I understand it for the first time. And it was like, yes, he's wanting it. And so, always accompanied, always trying to listen to the other person. And then, to take the next step, to say, now a professional. Now someone who's going to tell me, fat, this doesn't work.

How was a construction that I did it asking for subtle permissions, but from the right people. I feel that there lies one of the most important values that we women have, which is what you two have, right? To meet with another woman who asks the same questions or who needs other answers. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.

I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to't have to respond to literature as someone super...

I don't know...

An expert.

An expert in literature and writing a book, I said, no, I have to write like who I am. Like the trapper and the rector that everyone knows. So I did it and with that quota of Julieta and my way of being, which is that I love to read and that I am keeping ideas from other authors that I very happily share with people. that if I thought people would read my book, and they would read the other one, you would end up going back to that beautiful turn that I had to take. Attention, attention!

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and all that we keep googling in secret, as if someone out there had all the answers. Tickets are now available at ticketmaster.com How would you explain, Casu, Perreo, Una Revolución? For those who want to understand what the book is about, after reading it, it's very clear to me.

How did this reflection come about? How do you find yourself in your industry and in all the questions that have been asked of you for being a woman and being in this industry? How did you find a revolution? How did you find the way to re-signify? You talk a lot about that, right?

To appropriate the words and what the male gaze wants to delimit, and turn it around and say, no, I can also define this. Could you walk us through that? Yes, I think... I don't come to any conclusion alone, you know? No, women don't come to us, we need each other.

I come through the books I read. One of the chapters that I like, that I start telling, the book by Virgin de Pein, The Theory of King Kong, she talks about rape, about the movies about rape, and she says that all the movies about a raped woman who takes revenge

are directed by men. And she says that it would be them, actually, doing what women don't do when they are raped. So, I was like... First, what she says is strong, I don't know. percentage of women come from a man, you know? It's higher than the men's index that come from men who have been used or things like that. So she starts developing something that makes me think about my gender.

I say, there I say, the men who write these songs, these women, these sexual champions, bulls, you know? Because they're not cows, they're bulls. They're these sex warriors. It's them, thinking like women.

Yes, writing from their point of view.

From their point of view, how they live sex, with what freedom. What would they do if they were women? And I'm like, what are you saying? And I start to address all of those things from everyday life to the things that I'm doing, and I'm like, what are you saying? And I'm like, what are you saying? And I'm like, what are you saying? And I'm like, what are you saying?

And I'm like, what are you saying? And I start to address all those things from everyday life triggers or sometimes from these important books or voices of other women who have made me think about my gender. So that's why for me perreo is like a shelf where you can put your own books, your own information. It's a structure that you can do whatever you want as a woman, a housewife, a dreamer, an artist, matemática, lo que quisiera ser, podes usar perreo como un esquema, sacando la reggaetonera y la trapera, porque son las mismas cosas que te van a pasar

en otro trabajo. Igual te vas a tener que probar el doble, igual vas a ganar la mitad, igual te van a cuestionar porque estás ahí, igual vas a hacer demasiado, igual nadie vas a tener que probar el doble, igual vas a ganar la mitad, igual te van a cuestionar porque estás ahí, igual vas a hacer demasiado, igual nadie va a entender. Y eso es impresionante porque tú hablas de tu industria y de tu experiencia, pero la experiencia de K-Sue en como tú dices, si lo llevas a otro lugar, es la experiencia de todas las mujeres. It's like a first aid kit. I like to think of it like that.

For those who have never read about feminism, for those who are very young, for those who are very old and have renounced feminism,

or not,

for those who don't like to read, it's like a kit where you find certain tools to defend yourself. Because what Perreo is trying to do is that you have two or three tools or more to say no.

This is wrong for this. Drawing maybe or hidden in which now they can defend themselves because they like to perrear so much. That is written in the book. But you will also find

those other ways to stand up and say, yes, I don't think this is bad, but I don't know why. So Perreo has a little bit of that information. Maybe there you will find the reason for some things that you feel you have to defend, but you don't know how.

Yes, yes, yes.

You know, Mique, it's one of the conversations that your book fits in very well. And I loved it. Leti and I are huge fans of trap, of reggaeton. We go to see it, we consume it, we pay for concerts. You know, it's one of the things that unites us the most as friends. And just a day before, two days ago,

they were talking about Bad Bunny, how they like it, and reggaeton and everything. And for me there has always been this contradiction that you talk a lot about in the book, about this idea that we are successful women who work in the mental health industry and that start to put us on this pedestal so high on who we are and how we have to be.

Lety and I always have this thing that we say when we meet someone, don't put me on this pedestal where I don't like sex. I love sex, I want to go out with my friends, I want to dress in a way that doesn't have to be disconnected.

The thing is that pedestal is the false pedestal. It's actually, I mean, I just asked a girl at the press know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. not to explore our pleasure. That's up to us as adults, as grown-ups. And we say, like, hey, I can't believe I'm exploring my pleasure. Oh, how good I had it. I'm 35, I'm 31. It's like, I can't believe how good I had it.

I have a son, you know? I'm going to say, man, I'm still in the same process. So I think that Bad Bunny, who brings him to the conversation, has made his contribution of alliance, and one of them is, if your boyfriend doesn't suck your ass,

that's why he doesn't suck.

That's why he doesn't suck.

It's like saying,

it was there. What would he have thought? What intention would he have made? But when he comes to us, we deny him of our revolution, of our struggle, of our consciousness as women. Maybe he throws it because he thinks it's a good bar.

Yes, he throws it and I get angry. I take it for granted that I get angry. And they throw it at you and you grab it as it is. You know, as it is. I would love to do this, but I get to do this, I get a heart attack. I mean, my friends, I don't know, I mean, how do you do this that I'm listening to here? You went to a motel for the first time through a reggaeton song. You did this and that for the first time through a reggaeton song. And then you realize that moving it to real life

is not a...

That is also one of the big questions in your book that I liked a lot. It's like, we talk about female liberation, but it seems that it is still a female liberation under the terms that are acceptable for the male gaze, right? Because they... Bajo los términos que para la mirada masculina son aceptables, ¿no? Porque ellos, sí, es como puedes ser sexy pero hasta aquí. Puedes sentirte poderosa pero no tanto.

Puedes, ¿no? Como siempre bajo el, y entonces sigue siendo una liberación que parece que no está escrita por nosotras ni determinada por nosotras, sino, sí, lo que sigue siendo aceptado y lo que no, lo que sigue siendo. a liberation that seems to be not written by us or determined by us, but yes, what is still accepted and what is not. What is still being… We also have, luckily, now we have a lot of different examples of people and women

who make music, who represent different things. And I think that there are also, obviously in women, and there is that other place, that space that is like, they harm our women, they harm our youth with that music, with those things, with that, the other. And that's where you say, those are the responsibilities as parents or as educators of others. I, for example, am very proud of the erotic and sexual content that my music has.

And if I make music with sexual content, then you have to know what to expect if you are going to see a show.

Yes, obviously. Yes, you don't come to see Barney and his friends. If I used to restrict my age because at that time, in the genre, it was not understood that, as I had two little tails and everything was blurred, I tell it and I make the decision to restrict an age range

because I was talking about things that I already had the age to experience. I take charge. Today I can't take care of the education of the children of others. So I'm not going to apologize or modify my way of selling my art, which is how I like to do it and how I chose to do it, and the audience that I chose to speak to, because a mother wants to take her 5, 6 o 7 años. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do.

I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's what we're trying to do. I mean, I think that's, aggressively invites us to do the opposite. It invites us not to be uncomfortable, not to be too much. To be sensual, but not too sensual.

To be sexual, but not too sexual. To be determined, but not to be so outspoken.

Don't fight with your colleagues at the company.

So my question for you is what has worked for you on your path? What would you recommend to other women? Are they your friends? Are they other women who inspire you? Is it studying? Is it therapy? Is it building yourself? What is it?

It's all that, everything you mentioned. But it starts because I had a really bad time. It starts because I had a really bad time, because I felt like I lost everything. I lost the support of my male colleagues. I lost the friendship that I could have had, like all of them had with each other. I lost that they stopped inviting me to places.

It was like feeling like I was nowhere, that I couldn't conciliate any space that had to do with my colleagues. So it was like, okay, they're going to charge me for everything, so I'm going to make it worse. It's going to be worse, because the consequences are already there. Because if I'm quieter, I still have consequences. Obviously there were times when I said, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like,

I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like myself where I want to be.

My therapy, my former therapist, before my psychologist, now, a man,

told me, I'm going to tell a little bit more specific. I'm going to be a little bit more specific. I'm going to be a little bit more specific. I'm going to be a little bit more specific. I'm going to be a little bit more specific. I ask for a refund for all this time, what do I do? There, I could tell you that an angel of... I don't know, or something that I did right in my life told me,

it's not here, it's not here. Look at what your therapist is telling you. She has your psyche in her hands. And look at what she's doing with you. Who do you know and who do you represent? I'm in love, but did you see me stop going to a concert?

Did you see me stop making a song? Stop doing a featuring with the person who doesn't like my boyfriend? Did you see me do that? Why the hell are you telling me this?

I mean, that was the last time I saw him. Knowing how to get out also has to do with friends.

What did I do? Friend, this just happened to me. I can't believe it. Don't come back. Don't come back. So, everything you mentioned, like that, in that order, you know?

Those are the things that make you think that there is someone everywhere who is bothered by this. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. They were very young, but in their scheme of thinking, that structure of misogyny already inhabited.

They hated me. Did I say one thing right?

No.

And the displeasure. And a long time after I had worked with them, I made their videos, I made their photos, they sang, they fulfilled the dream for which my heart beat for music and I was going to record a video of someone else's show. So I say, and I would support it, and I would bear the meantime, I have to look for it. And it happened that there was nothing I could do technically, you know, like knowing how to handle a camera, knowing this, thinking this, being able to speak another language, or this or that, or managing my life, that they didn't bother.

Until one day we arrived, we were on a tour, and we were at the Venice station. I was on the other side of the world, with people who mistreated me a lot, when I had to work, and it was beautiful,

because it was an experience I didn't know I was going to have. They were very young anyway and they were very angry with life, but they were angry with me too. We stopped at the Venice station and one of them started playing the piano. And a woman came up to me and said, Do you sing? And I said, No, she's the one who sings. And I realized that all that I had been doing all this time

had been trying to stop me. They saw in me, and I always say this, they saw in me something that I didn't even know was going to happen to me. Which was...

I mean, no, the one of the three of us who makes music is her, the one who has the camera. I didn't know what was going to happen to me. That was... I mean, the one of the three of us who makes music is her, the one who has the camera.

And over time, it seemed super crazy to me because that's where you find, even in the spaces that seem the safest, and the people you respect the most, like you respect your psychologist, for example, or like you respect Freud, I don't know, a person who tries to keep that power from being unleashed. Yes. And sometimes they are even women. Women who have a different path, or who have decided a different path, and you reflect that freedom, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no.

But they are excused.

Yes.

They are excused because they are victims of this system.

Exactly, and of someone who is convincing them of that, dis It's okay, too. And they can also want power and things. One can want whatever they want in life. You don't need to meet the standards of liberation, of labor emancipation. You can want to have a husband and live well, and that's fine. That's why. You know?

We are no one to judge that.

Yes, yes.

But finally, they, at some point, they will realize that they need what we have to say.

I wanted to ask you, it has happened to me and I don't know if it happens to you, the more I learn about feminism, the more I observe the world with these lenses that I feel fortunate that feminism has given me. And the more friends, the more sorority I have, the more devastating the world seems to me. The world is devastating. The world is devastating when I see the struggle of women to inhabit the simplest spaces of existence, what you say, from breastfeeding to being the number one star, everything, everything.

I find reality devastating. And more if I look back, the reality that my mother and my grandmothers have lived. And I get pissed off. I live in shit. Sometimes when you say that certain women are the resistance now, I say that I do it even for you, because someday your daughter will read, listen and see this

and find a ray of light out there. How do you get through this world that is devastating, pissing me off, but at the same time, I don't want to be pissed off. I want to enjoy my existence, enjoy my bonds, but it's like when you have a thorn in your shoe

and all day you think about thorns, thorns, thorns. So that was one of the things I wanted to ask you. You have a thorn in your shoe and all day you think about thorns, thorns, thorns. So that was one of the things I wanted to ask you. In a place where you are all the time, I imagine you are fighting, or I don't know that you are fighting, how do you stay soft or how do you stay with an open heart in the face of devastating realities? I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother.

I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to be a mother. I'm going to through a revolution. I wrote it before I became a mom. Now I've become a single mom. Imagine that I walk around here and people come and take pictures of me and tell me beautiful things and want to talk to me and treat me well

and I land and I can't believe that people don't want to bother me and I have the respect and they tell me the boss and they tell me and you can imagine that I'm in my peak, I'm in my best moment. is a woman mediator, the lawyer of my daughter's father, who is her representative, and we were those people. I hadn't felt so bad as I did that day, and I had that horrible feeling of saying,

the world is devastating. When I told him, I need a travel permit to be able to take my daughter with me. And I've known that. I work in the same field as him

and I need to travel, right? It's been over a year, I don't have that permit. It seemed understandable, right? It was a basic need. So the mediator said, with a spirit of building,

if you don't feel comfortable giving a permission until the girl is 18, you can give one until she is five.

And this, disconnecting it from my daughter's father, because it was his lawyer who issued the following. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.

I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I still feel in my chest what I felt and what the other two women who were in that call did. We made a silence of death. And I said, against this? No. Against this, my heart doesn't give me.

Because against everything, that perreo, that revolution, that you see me here, that I fight. Against the system? against the law. That man looked me in the eye and without saying anything, he told me, we have the f***ing control over you and your daughter. And it was one of the worst is that I left without being able to breathe from inside. I looked around me at all the people who were waiting for me to meet for my show, for my tour, for my dreams. 16 years of... Rhyming, rhyming, rhyming.

And I said, I have the privilege of not going to a trial because I can take care of my daughter. Because I can go knock on a judge's door and say, Dude, can you give me permission to take my daughter back to the country? If you know I need it.

I have proof, I have this, I have tickets, I have explanations. Do you have money to hire a lawyer? Yes, but I have explanations. I swear I'm not going to steal from anyone. It's to take care of my daughter. So I get to the airport with a permission from a judge, which is a permission that only has one authorized part.

And the immigration person looks at me and says, Permiso que solo tiene una parte autorizada. Y la persona de migración me mira y me dice, ¿por qué su progenitor no está de acuerdo con que la niña viaje? Y yo en ese momento, soy una criminal. ¿Entendés? Entonces, ahí no existe la jefa. Ahí no existe caso.

Ahí no existe la persona a la que la gente le pide fotos y le pide un autógrafo. Ahí yo soy un número. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that I'm not a lawyer. I'm not saying that can't pay a lawyer, a lawyer,

that they can't support their children and that when they go out to work and their children are left alone, they don't know... and I say, shit.

Yes, without pension, without...

And that's where nothing is connected between heaven and hell. I'm going to were his own words. He made me... He made me realize that I'm still a little ant in front of the monster of misogyny, of patriarchy. And today I live it from another place

because it has to do with one of the most important things that one can have, which is the life of a child. So I choose not to fight the battle. I give up before trying. For me, for my dreams. Because I want to put all my energy into my career,

all my energy into what I do. Because I can pay my lawyers to go and ask for what they need to ask for. But it's like you say, the world is devastating,

and even more so for those who don't have the privileges we have.

Casu, to close, what are your dreams for Inti? I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a daughter. No. What are your dreams for her? What do you expect from your fight and your path? Now that you're seeing her grow

and that you come from this matriarchy that you describe, what do you visualize for her? Acceptance. Acceptance. I think what I wish for my daughter the most is acceptance. That she accepts her reality, that she accepts what we've been through, our story,

that she sees that, among all that, mom, mom tries to make love stand out above all, that affection, that warmth, that joy, and that I can accompany her to try to accept her reality and that she gives me her doubts so that I give her mine and so that sometimes we come to a conclusion and sometimes not and that she understands that her doubts so that I give her mine, and so that sometimes we come to a conclusion and sometimes not, and that she understands that the world and life are like that. I was going to ask you to close, to see if you could read us

the last page of your book. The audiobook in vivo. The audiobook in vivo in Regalas Brutas. If I am accused of being aggressive, I was when I needed to be. En vivo en su regalandría. Si me acusan de agresiva, lo fui cuando hizo falta. Si me acusan de saltar de combativa a romántica, también lo soy, porque puedo ser eso y más. Jamás podrán reducir mi arte a la inspiración que me han dado los romances de mi vida,

porque he escrito enamorada, enojada, aburrida y contenta. Escribí para los traidores en el amor, para los cobardes en el trabajo, I was angry, bored, and happy. I wrote for the traitors in love, for the cowards at work, for the friends who suffered, to scream to the floor, and to cry to exhaustion.

This gave me something, that a little more. Everyone left a mark on my life, but my path is not marked by men. I use what I have lived. I make art that is sold, and therefore I make money with what they gave me, no está marcado por los hombres. Yo me sirvo de lo vivido. Hago arte que se vende y por ende hago dinero con lo que me dieron, lo que me quitaron y lo que rompieron. La creatividad

es mi verdadero superpoder. No necesito nada más que mi mente. A mí ya no me define el odio ni el rencor. La última persona que intentó hac me feel inferior, who tried to teach me and remind me that equality with which I dream is nothing more than that, a dream, did not get from me more than pity. How to explain to a rock what a rock is? Juliet does not always make competitive decisions.

Sometimes she chooses patience, but Caso will fight until the end. Thank you for coming. Luchar hasta el final. Muchas gracias. You question yourself. And now that I live anxious, I'm irritable with everyone. I can't stand anyone.

I sleep badly, I eat badly. Time heals. No, no, no. Listen, time doesn't heal. It's what we do in time that heals. When you're a victim, you have no control.

In therapy, you take that power.

There is this help so that the pain goes away, There is this help so that the pain goes away, so that you can live a life with more joy, a life that's more yours, where you feel more confident in who you are.