Aries Spears on Ice Cube & 50 Cent beef, T.I.'s comedy, Jay-Z & DMX impressions | Fat Joe & Jadakiss

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Yo, what up, y'all? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. Your boy Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada show. And we have a very special guest. You know, we like to, we bring variety of guests, but they all golden individuals. And today we have a very golden individual. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our brother with his phone ringing and all that.

Aaron Spence, make some noise.

Yo, what up, what up, what up? What's up, my brother? Man, you gotta let me have a second to geek out for a minute. Cause you know, like my best friend over there, you know, we came up on y'all, man.

You know, in the hip hop thing. And you know, I know until I found out Joe hit me up was like, Yo, I need you to do me a solid and do the intro for my upcoming album. I was more than happy to do it. One of my favorite rappers, but I never met you until today. And I'm telling you, I'm fucked up because I'm literally sitting next to hands down one, one of the greatest MCs of all time. Like you in my top five, dog. And every time I do Vlad or any kind of show where I talk hip hop, I go my top five,

no particular order. This guy ain't shit, man. I'm telling you right now. This guy, yo, Harry. I say Jada, Hov, Nas, Biggie, and Rakim. Nah, nah, nah. We ain't going for that. This guy is shit. Now you want to shoot me, then? Let me tell you something.

The reason I love Jada the most is because it locks, it's unity. They there for each other. This guy is fucking diabolical. He been sitting next to me in this show. I start watching old clips of the show, and I said, holy shit.

He go flaming me. Yeah, he go. I didn't even know. He come Euro step. Which was hilarious. Cause you know I'm not a New City bop.

Yeah.

But listen.

No, that is die up.

No.

Bollyco.

It went viral, but listen to the way I scripted it. Oh, you scripted. This was scripted. Can you listen? You're a legendary coach in the rough, legendary coach in New York City, won plenty of tournaments. You got A-listers out there, Wazoo on your roster.

Now, if you was to happen to play, I'm just saying, the way you're golden, the legs that been to the eighth wonders of the world and all of this, if you was to hit them with the year, you know, the year old street movement boom boom boom but if you

hit him with the first one then the layup you be unstoppable like fuck me up because for a dude that you know is a rapper and I don't be shooting that it was comedically

on point.

What you talking about? It was comedically on point.

What?

Because I didn't even know you had the Kenny Smiths. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo!

I didn't even know it!

And I saw a picture one day and I saw the, the, the,

the knees.

It was moving like. Yeah, and I was like,

oh, I didn't know Joe was built like he was in.

You know what it is? Me, since it me doing business with him and being with him, He got a few different walks. Like, I don't know if it's depending on his mood. I don't know if it's depending on, he might got a good call this day.

Nice, super bags coming in.

Right.

Might've been, you know, might be one of the days. I mean, some days he got that leaping. But some days, yeah, some days he got, he got different walks. Can you agree with me, mate? He got different boxes. Yeah, shit. I got different ones.

In the house, I got the Shelman Hemsley.

Oh.

Oh, you do the wild side for him? No, no, for real, though. Like in the house, I'm walking to go eat some shit or go see the movie. I got the Shelman Hemsley. That's in the crib. It's Shelman Hemsley. It's Shelman Hemsley. How you gonna do George Jefferson like that, man?

Call him Shelman Hemsley. He was calling me Ari.

Yeah.

I'm fried, man. I'm fucked up. From the language to the legs. Listen. Listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you, Ari.

Let me tell you. Ari. Yes. Let me explain something to you. You're one of the funniest guys in the world. I appreciate all your contributions and everything you do, I believe is hip hop. Right, you always represent hip hop culture.

That's the East Coast culture. We gotta fix the Ice Cube borderline violation, right? Because Ice Cube, he and this show, we, this is the love of the culture. This is the preservation. This is like the national preservation forest of hip hop.

And whatever that means. And you know, Ice Cube, living legend. Do you ever, is it just jokes with you or do you ever feel like, listen, let me be clear. Did I miss something?

Let me, yes.

We skipped the whole thing. No, we trying to, I'm doing the Jadie Kiss right now. I'm trying to fix this.

What happened?

Let me, let me, let me be clear here. First and foremost, I never attacked Ice Cube the man. I never attacked his character. And first of all, my whole point was this word hate is being so overly abused and thrown around now, that unless you have an opinion that's favorable, you're a hater. No, I'm opinionated.

And sometimes in my delivery comedically, I'm a little bit brutal. But at the end of the day, I'd never questioned his character, I'd never questioned him as a man. And listen, I even gave him his flowers and said,

yes, he is a pioneer, a trailblazer, an icon in hip hop, especially with the West Coast. I'm just not a fan of his artistry. And by that, I'm just simply meaning, listen man, for me, my musical palette, my hip hop palette, I'm an East Coast dude, man. But I like Snoop. I like Pop, who technically is from the East. But nonetheless, just because I'm not a fan of that does not mean that I'm a hater. And if I'm being really specific, what I was really speaking to was comedically, acting-wise.

Because I just feel like, and listen, I know it's all about getting the bag and the money. And I just feel like with sometimes artistry, a rapper can't do comedically what a comedian can, because that's a muscle. That's an instinct. That's in our blood.

We eat, sleep, shit, breathe comedy. No more than I can go in the booth and do what you can. Better than you. You know, I saw T.I. do some comedy. He was actually pretty good. OK, don't go there.

Your opinion.

It's your opinion. It's your opinion.

It's my opinion.

But the comedy community will tell you otherwise. Because here's the problem, here's the problem. If you're gonna step into another genre, you gotta humble yourself. And T.I. approaches comedy with the same bravado he approaches rap.

That's a different aesthetic.

Yeah.

Humble yourself. Don't be yourself. I agree with you. I thought T.I. was funny, right? And I'm, and I'm, I may die one day. For after they die one day. No, no, but I may die one day of laughter.

I don't know if nobody has the heart attack of laughing. Because I'm the guy, they threw me out the movie theater Eddie Murphy Raw. I went over there with the whole projects. Out of the whole projects, the security came was like, you're an asshole. You're the one that got to go. I'm the one making the most noise in the movie theater. They threw me out the movie. I am a sucker for a laugh, like a sucker for a laugh. So I thought T.I. was funny,

but there's levels to this shit. Well, I even, I'm gonna admit something here too that I've been noticing, I've been looking and said, you know, you know, in hip hop, it's all about competition. Right? So you gotta convince yourself you're better

than every other rapper, whatever the case may be. And so there's a bit of delusion and whatever. And so we start the podcast and the first thing I do is start shooting, you know, like I want to smoke with all the podcasters and all that. And I realized I got to humble myself a little because we just started this, even though we're the rookies of the year. But I could see where people could look at it and be like, yo, this guy, you know, but this just my heart. I've always been like a warrior gladiator to come out there for the smoke.

But I realized the park has a different space. It's like everybody's smiling at each other. Nobody got smoke with each other. So I'm thinking top five dead or alive. Who want to jump out? Where's the smoke? Who we got? But that ain't what it's about. It's about having an opinion and bringing something to the people. So I get what you're saying with the, well, T.I. Yeah, cause I mean, you're right and wrong. It's a different kind of, it's a different kind of smoke.

It's like behind the scenes. It's behind the scenes hate and smoke with this. Yeah, but I don't think- For one, this ain't even our, we're just, we born with this bitch. Well, at least I am.

You know what I mean? If you tell me podcasting or rapping, ladies and gentlemen, this is our last show.

I like it. But, ladies and gentlemen, this is our last show. I like

You could do both is you know, people start thinking you taking a job, so you were behind the scenes You know, you just being boisterous. I'm just watching them from the side Have you ever dealt with this because you're one of the most liked MCs of all time.

Have you ever dealt with this?

I really not.

I am, but I ain't. When it's time to go 300 Spartan, I'm not that liked as I am when I'm outside of the- And just so you know, it wasn't just Cube that jumped on me. 50 jumped on me too,

because of that. Because of the joke I made about 50. You know what I mean? See, but 50 and them niggas, they'll beat you up, Aries. I'm just keeping it real. Maybe Ice Cube is regular. I'm, you know. What is wrong with this guy? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. I'm giving it a buck. You run into them guys in the airport, they might do something to you. I had beef with them. That's cool. So I know what the beef is. It's one thing for us to just like, certain guys you don't play with because they're

going to come up.

Listen. I love the comedians.

It's no thing with comedians.

Joe, Joe, Joe, I don't ever pretend to be something I'm not. You know, I ain't an Evans nigga. I'm a Huxtable. But best believe, I keep some dudes with me too. The old Jews. A team of Jews. I'm telling you. A team of Jews. And I'll sue a motherfucker in a minute. Yo, Fendi. Fendi, we got royalty in the building. I ain't no Fendi snuck in there. You got us

trumpets. We got a studio audience, crack. You don't have to tell it, people. But Aries, I'm just trying to, I gotta be honest with you because you're my guy. You're on my album. I fuck with you. Yeah. You know, I advocate for you every time I can because I think you're hilarious. But I do know where that could go wrong. Well, of course, that one is ice cubing.

Right. It is. Hey, like that one could go wrong. I'm promising you, you know, put hands and feet on people too. Why you, why you just act like he don't do that. But it's not about that. He's a comedian. Listen, let me, let me tell you the joke. It was, it was almost harmless.

I was talking about how, you know, any time they make a brother play in a movie where he's a scientist or a computer tech, like 50 did in the movie with Stallone. I don't know what I was called, but they was in some prisons and glass cubes. And I said, you know what the difference between 50, the rapper, from 50 to computer tech?

I'm a computer tech. I'm a computer tech. Glasses. Clark Kent, Superman. If you're a great actor, you don't need the glasses. Just do the performance.

So that was the joke. Yo, but let me tell you something, right? I've been such a fan of comedy where I believe comics should never and could never be canceled. So like the moment they fake canceled Dave Chappelle, I started going in his shows to perform at his show. Yo Dave, you in town. I want to come out and do a couple of... Because I believe.

Comedy is the one sweet spot in life, where the white, black, Asian, whatever.

Yeah, should be.

Where they could talk about whatever the fuck they want to talk about.

I love it.

You know, that's how I feel about comedy. And so that's how you must feel about it too, huh? Listen, three of the greatest quotes ever. Dave Chappelle, you don't know where the line is in comedy until you cross it.

George Carlin, you should know where the line is in comedy and deliberately cross it. Patrice O'Neal, God rest his soul. Great comedy leaves half the audience laughing, the other half horrified.

Wow. So that's the credo I live by.

Yeah, man.

And you from the cloth, man. Who would you say ushered you into the game? Who was like a mentor? Hold on, hold on, hold on. This guy came in the game at 14. That's his, I think that's the, he made history. There's nobody else who ever did that. Def Jam 16, Showtime with Apollo 17. So what I'm saying is, who?

I was an 80s baby, so in that era, you know, prior to the explosion of Def Jam, Hollywood only allowed one nigga per decade. So it was like, you know what I mean? It was like, Definitely a nigga's nigga, like you know.

And what's my man's name? Dick Gregory, really. And in the 60s, prior in the 70s, Eddie in the 80s, and then by the 90s, Def Jam hit, and now Black Comics was everywhere. But Eddie was my dude, was my, like, my inspiration, because I know he started at 14.

So I was like, if he did it, I'm gonna- How does it go with comedy? Is it like rap or whatever? Like, how do they determine who's gonna get the bag? Right? Because there's so many funny comedians. Like I did Hollywood, what did I do? Squares. Hollywood Squares.

Not Hollywood Squares. What's your man, Family Feud? Oh, I wanna go on Fanny Fee. You should take your family, man, on there. Or the Rock, or D-Block.

Let's go.

We should set that up. So, we go on there and they got the Fluffy. Oh, Gabriel Iglesias. That Spanish guy. I didn't know much about him. And then they turned around and said,

you know, this guy sold out Dodger Stadium. Yeah. So who determines who's gonna be a big boy? Who's gonna be the underground? Who's gonna be, you know, in rap music, some guys choose to be underground. When they're like, yo, I don't wanna hit.

I just wanna be the purest. And then some people like me, you know, commercialize. Some people might call that sellout when I have a record like What's Love? Who determines? Well, in terms of you talking about

just straight movies and TV, the gatekeepers to those is, you know, white folks, they run that. And I mean, if you talk about more like stand up in the grind, that's on you, you know?

And a lot of people always go, man, you should be bigger. You should this, you should that. Listen, my mouth is my biggest attribute, but it's also my biggest detriment.

You know what I mean?

So it's like, I say a lot of shit that sparks controversy. I'm a hater, I'm this, I'm that. So, you know. But it works for you. It's working for me, but it ain't. Who took off that you was like, you know, let's sound like who took off that you was like,

why are you lying? No, I'm not lining them up. I'm this, who took off? There's some dudes where you just go, you know, I just don't understand. Like, like there's no sense in this game. You know what I mean? There's no, there's no logic to none of this shit. You know, the people that are where they are deserve to be there. Kevin Hart deserves to be there.

Mike Epps deserves to be there. But at the end of the day, you just gotta play this bullshit game, man. I feel like if I put it in boxing terms, or let me put it like this, I got Michael Jordan dreams, but Dennis Rodman habits.

You know what'm Sam saying I should be Madison Avenue. Ba ba ba ba, but I like porn stars and liquor So, you know, I got a list talent But my behavior and some of the things I do and say might be you know Like I said my biggest detriment like me and you we got to talk maybe in the next podcast about what I am and what he said with Jay-Z and Black, like, I mean. I'm staying out of that. Yeah, but you got it. You got to stay out of that. You can't. No, I'm going to definitely got something to say about that. I don't. You ain't got nothing to say about that. But my point is, them guys became huge, right?

They beat me for the Grammy, all black. They beat me for What's Love. What's Love was like number one in the country. They beat me for the Grammy. This is before Fergie, right? Once they get Fergie, they start making world music

and all this shit and they take everything, right? But those are guys that went out there, that surprised me when they were selling 10 million, 20 million, this, that. Not saying the music ain't good, but that's what I mean, like,

you seen somebody leak through and you was like, whoa. But to just give you some gems or some knowledge right now, because we talking, even though this is funny, but we talking about some serious shit. I think you figured out everything. You just answered it.

I think if you analyze this video, you can make certain changes to catapult you to the next level. Just look at the words you said and just make some adjustments. You know, I think part of what puts me or what's gonna put me on this path is doing

stuff like this. You know what I'm saying? Like for once upon a time ago, I was against the whole social media putting stand up clips out. I was against that. But then I was like, you know what, man, I took a page out of Matt Rife book. It was like, let me hire a videographer and let me, you know, uh, pay to play. And because I did that, I went from, I mean, within the course of three months, I went from 300,000 Instagram followers to 1.4, you know, my, my Facebook jumped from 300,000 to 1.8. So, you know, and people's funny, like I always say people are, most people are fucking idiots

because people will say shit online like, man, all he do is crowd work. Do we ever tell a joke? And I said, listen, man, you don't give the kid cocaine away for free. I'm giving you a sample of the product.

Once you like the sample, now come to the show and pay for the key. I gotta tell you this? I gotta cut up your food for you to eat like your mother did when you were a toddler so you don't choke? Certain things is common fucking knowledge All right, but I gotta tell you this That's crazy, man. He's funny. All he does is impressions

So i'm 36 years in this game and all I know how to do is dunk man I sit I sit down in the studio sometimes like I heard some shit Somebody said you definitely don't want no part of this. What I'm about to say. Oh, he's not responsible for the next line. But somebody said, they not like us.

I forget who it was said that it wasn't mixed right. Somebody said, yo, that wasn't mixed right. Right. I forget who, James, look that up right now. Cause that's important. Somebody said, yo, wasn't the music wasn't mixed right, right? And then some people agreed

with the person, Rodney Jenkins, somebody agreed with him and said, yeah, you know, it could have been mixed better, right? But all we know is that they not like us, is a smoker. That shit filtered the whole hemisphere, right? And so when I get in the studio with producers and they start to talk about a smash hit record, they be like, the snare wasn't right, the 808.

I'm like, yo bro, no one gives a fuck about what it should have been or how professional it is. The fucking record's number one. It's a fucking hit. And I've been in there in the studio with producers. This guy didn't use the tinkerbell right.

He didn't, yo, my man, who gives a fuck? This shit is number one. And so, uh, who was that? DJ Vlad said what? Well, listen, Vlad... No, but the engineers agreed with him.

They said, Kendrick sent that shit in and said, I want it out in a half an hour. So the engineer was like, yo, I couldn't even mix it. It was just, it was a good, it was a smash hit. He did the best he could and that shit went out there. So he actually was right.

I didn't hear it like that. When I hear that shit going crazy in the club, in the stadium and everything going crazy, I'm like, yo, say it. Yeah. I didn't know how we was supposed to end it.

Impersonation, no, because why did I come up with that scenario? You know, I'm fried, I keep telling you. You showing me? No, no, no, I'm fried. What do people ask you to do? What's your most successful impersonation?

Oh, shit.

What'd you say?

I know they all are, but I gotta be one that people always ask you to do. They like the Tony Soprano.

Oh yeah, you'd be killing.

Fucking Mero and AJ. It's going out of the fucking audience. Got the Madagascar to go fucking crazy. All my kids love it.

Mero and AJ and my sister Janice and fucking Johnny Shaq. Yo, that shit is crazy to me. That shit is- I don't know, my voice might be a little fried. You ever walked in an Italian spot, an all Italian joint, and's like the Italians go, fucking niggas good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, that one guy, he does a good Denzel.

Oh, C-King?

Yeah.

Let me say something. Of all the dudes that did Denzel, me, Godfrey, my man man, Reggie Reg out of Chicago, C King and Dean Edwards. And again, this plays to people going, man, you a hater, you don't give it up to other people. I said, listen, C King is so cold with it. I stopped doing it because I felt foolish.

He's dead the fuck on. And every chance I get to promote him, I tell people. People will still hit me up and go, yo, you Denzel. I go, mm-mm-mm, C King, he got the crown, man. He got that. He got the crown.

Yeah, it's like that. It's like that. Sometimes, you know, you got a big, sometimes somebody does something so good, you don't wanna fuck with it. Well, you know, everybody, like there's certain impressions that everybody owns. Like you go Frank Caliendo owns Madden,

C. King owns Denzel, Jay Pharoah owns Will Smith. So for me, it's like Tony Soprano, Shaq, you know? As long as I score a 318, I'ma dominate. If you don't score a 318, you ain't gonna dominate. I get a ball in inside, inside, outside game.

You gotta get a big dog to ball, man.

You gotta put the eyes. That's the comedic part of it. Why you making it look like he in the back of the bus, man?

He killed Shaq.

Shaq is so red.

Shaq just like that. Yo, he sound just like, but you ain't see the eyes? Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo Anybody threw the battery in his back for him to hit me with that? That was too good. Yo, that shit was too good. I can't keep fighting you for verbal rebound position. Listen, rappers and comedians have a little bit of... Because it's wordplay.

It's jokes. It's metaphors. It's punchlines. So that's not a surprise. Listen, I can rap, but I'm not a rapper. But I can, I can, some lyrics. Let me see. I don't want to embarrass myself, but, cause I tried to

do a Biggie impression and it was awful. Uh, but I wrote the lyrics where I said something about the Biggie baby delivers cold like the shivers. Talk slick shit. Spit game is vicious, malicious. How I roll through you like a cancer doc speak bleak talk about your chances seem to work slow to keep on flesh to the bone marrow life went on that road fuck sorrow fuck beef make peace with your priest at least they could think about tomorrow papa spotcha biggie be done dropped you Chris keep it real keep it frank like Sinatra

something like that so I'm not a rapper, but I, you know what I mean? I can respect that.

And I'm better than this new generation. These niggas is cottage. And you was using the B.I. voice a little bit. Huh, but I don't really have it like that. How do you feel when you go in, enough people have jacked Biggie's voice

that he don't have to be that accurate, like, you know, but when I did it, every fat dude came up to me with biggie voice. I personally, no disrespect guys. Let me, if you want to learn something right now in hip hop, I think I've been in it for a long time as a fan, as a rapper, don't jack nobody. Their style, their voice, their swag, you're wasting your time. Do you know how many guys I met

that were fucking dead nice? That all they had to be was them and they might've been a superstar, but when they come on, oh, and they doing the voice, I don't like nobody sounding like nobody.

That's why when I get called the O-head for going, yo, why don't you like this new generation? All you niggas sound the same. The same melodies, the same cadence, the same flow. All you, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. All you niggas sound the same. But it was always like that right? No no no. If you have, listen, if you, Trech. In the 90s?

Trech was rhyming like this. Do your niggas at the craziest. If you look at every video at that time, every rapper from anywhere was doing, whoever's been popping, they've been jacking these people. If DMX, Tretch had that move, if DMX was, you know how many guys I seen come in the studio with a dog thinking they, huh? And those guys didn't last. No, at all.

So originality was a thing back then. Oh no, very, very. But now it's commonplace to be the same. It's crazy. But I do believe that this new generation is a lot different from mine and I'm not trying to hate on them or talk them down. I just

say that they're looking more for the bag or the lit. It ain't so much culture. It ain't so much, ah, yo, this was the legacy. They like, yo, for some reason, everybody, I don't know if it's like that in comedy, but everybody think they could be a rapper. They think this is the easiest job in the world. Everybody, the guy at the Target, Target, the guy who works the front desk in this building, the guy at the deli, the dudes on the corner, everybody think that rap is just the easiest shit in the world, but most of them become successful.

But a lot of people feel like today it is, because it's garbage. The shit is just not as potent as it used to be. It's garbage. So the dude at Target can be a rapper. It's stepped on. Bacon soda.

I'm telling you, if I really wanted to, I could do this shit. But my passion for excellence won't allow me to sound like garbage. I try to tell like guys, similar, I try to, we're not so offensive,

but I try to tell like my nephews or whoever try to rap and all that, I'd be like, yo, it's so much easier for you. We had to guard Ron Kim. You know, even Fat Joe, I discovered Big Pun, but I went to the school of Big Pun. Meaning, we double platinum and the party's outside and we the hottest.

He be like, fuck that, we writing rhymes today. It's 90 degrees and everybody coming in the Benzes in the truck, yo, we going to Orchard Beach. He like, fuck all that crack, we writing. And so I went to the school of Big Pump where he will bust your bubble.

Like the way we used to rhyme when Big Pump was alive, not even healthy for your brain. But you find a way to put 50 words in one loose leaf. That thing, one of the most classics ever that diddly diddly diddly. This is exactly what I'm thinking of while I'm explaining it to you. Right. It's like when we did that song, it was like so much pressure to put every word

together, everything together. And now you got to add some swag, some melody, something. It's definitely easier now. Listen, man, I sent out a post one time where I said, uh, Biggie's Niggas Bleed should be a tutorial for anybody trying to rap. Because with that, that picture he painted with the melody and the pace of the song, you thought you was looking at a scene

in a Martin Scorsese film. I mean, it was vivid. And I'm like, that should be, if you're gonna be a rapper, you should have thought of it. In real life, I can't say much.

Yeah.

In real life, I can't say as much as him because they was actually part of the team. But you know, Biggie was my man. And I seen the Scorsese picture in real life. You know, I was in his house hanging out with him in Brooklyn and this heat just got lit.

But I mean like, just got lit. He was like, yo, Joe, come to my show. I think it was Roseland or the Palladium. I got a show tonight, this and that. And Biggie was like us, hockey shirt, shorts, whatever, this, this, this.

And man, when I seen the pictures of that party, where he had the salmon suit on with the gaiters, I seen him transform into that character. Not saying he ain't the real deal, but I seen it with my own eyes. It shocked me. I knew him and I couldn't believe it. Like he did so much for the culture of, you know,

taking, you know, if you think about Biggie, everything was underground before that. Like, so a song like Mass Appeal, that was straight hardcore beats, pre-mo and lyrics from Guru, rest in peace. That was a hit.

And that was playing on every radio station. And it was like hardcore shit was the hit. And then Biggie turned it into like taking those samples and making it a super hit, right? So his vision to rap on those beats and to take it to another level, everything about him,

it still blows my mind every time I listen to Biggie because I just can't believe he was that good. Like, and his cadence and his flow. It's funny, because again, when people go, yo, what's your top five? And I say it, and I've seen this online where people go,

I don't know how people put Big in a Top 5, he only released two albums. And I'm going, listen, how much evidence do you need to see to tell that somebody is special? So what do you think, that if he was alive, he would have just fell off?

It was going to get better. I don't need eight albums to know what you worth. You showed me the first time. So come on, man. That's why I'm telling you, man. People are fucking stupid. Most people are fucking stupid. Like you really don't see it. You don't understand it. And because I'll say that, I'll just stick to

hip.

What you want me to do? Staying true to your opinion and you voicing your opinion. I don't disagree with you. I've had young kids tell me that Biggie sounds like to the hip hop, hip hop to them right now with the way they rap. You know, the youth is crazy.

Look, our heroes, well, my heroes, like I said, I grew up on y'all, Rakim, KRS-One, you know what I mean? Biggie, they hit roses. Lil Uzi, satchels and purses. I can't disrespect Lil Uzi on here. That's your opinion. I'm just, he's my guy and I love him.

What was your experience like on Mad TV? Because when I saw you on there, it was like, you was fucking lit, young. It was like one of the first black people on mad TV. For me. Yeah, yeah.

Were you? No, actually before that, it was Orlando Jones, Phil Lamar, and Deborah Wilson. I came in season three. You was one of the latest. Listen, man, I, you know,

again, if I could have had it my way, I would have loved to have taken the path of Eddie Murphy, you know, a couple of years on SNL and then to the stratosphere. But I didn't get a chance to play in the NBA. I played in the CBA or the ABA. You know what I mean?

Mad TV just wasn't SNL. Let me tell you something. They always got that little white affiliation. No disrespect to my white brothers and sisters, but they always got, like, J.B. Smoove. Yeah. He's pretty much a Black Jew. Like, they love — he with that Larry David. He must be performing at every bar mitzvah.

J.B. Smoove is Jewish. Don't get that fucked up. You know, they got that — once you get that little... J.B. Smoove. They love him. The Jews love him. He's down with Larry David. That's his crew. Like Tracy Morgan. Tracy Morgan keep it all the way hip-hop. Big Goldchase. I be bumping into Tracy Morgan's one guy. I bump into the hood in a million

dollar Lamborghini any other day with the top off. I don't know what the fuck he doing there. He driving by himself. No security. He's all the way hood. But for some reason, the white people really love Tracy Morgan. I mean, he had all the right notes, you know what I mean? Saturday Night Live, 30 Rock, you know what I mean? So he had all the right notes. And listen, I've worked with- So there is a truth to that. Oh, absolutely. And listen, Tracy, man, you know I love you. We comedians.

But I always go, Tracy Morgan sounds like a New York City drag queen.

Yo, shit. Yeah! Tracy! How you doing?

That's comic banter, man. This guy's shitting on all my ideas, huh? But that's what comics do, man. If he was here, he'd hit me back. Yeah, I'm Tracy. Tracy caught that bag, too.

Yeah, he sure did.

Woo.

That motherfucker got too much money. Every time I see him, yo, can I invest? He don't even know what he want to invest it every time I see you want some money. Can I invest? Yo, Tracy, I don't need no money now that motherfuckers got the super bag You know, he told me he say if he dropped could we live in the same neighborhood? His shit is bigger than mine. Don't get it fucked up. It's that 30 Rock money. I think it was that Walmart money. I'm sure that made the bag heavier.

But NBC, Tina Fey, Alec Baldwin, 30 Rock, primetime. I'm sure he had the bag, but the bag. Yeah. You know, when you lawsuit, it's like, you don't get no taxes on that or nothing. You get the whole whatever you get.

But he said he called the cops on his, if he sees his brother and sisters in that neighborhood, cause they don't belong there. He'll call the cops like, yo, they outside. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yo, how does it work when you try some material and it don't land how you expect it would? Just throw it out or?

Nah, you just go back in the lab and rework it. And I always say a joke is never done because you don't know at what point, at any point at night, you're on a stage and you say one word that takes it from here to here. So a joke is never done.

You know, Big Pun was real funny. And I grew up with some funny guys.

Yeah.

And I had this one friend. And maybe this is what you're talking about. If he gets you laughing, he will double, triple, quadruple, five times, double down. Like, he'll just keep on with the shit where you can't, you know, you got cramps and shit like you just can't take it no more.

He's like a real assassin. You know, he's like the movie killer or some shit like that. He really trying to kill you with the shits. That's my approach on stage, man. Like, if you got him, you're like,

oh, no, I'm gonna finish this the 80s. We ain't going two rounds. I'm trying to tear your head off. That's why I'm glad I came up when I did, man. I got these t-shirts on my drop that says, built 80s stuff. Cause the shit we did back then, kids don't do now. And I think it's kind of made them a little soft.

When you went to show, what show, well, one of the shows you went to where you was on the lineup and there was some other people on the lineup. Say like for us it's the Summer Jam or something like that. And you like, yo, I'm gonna smoke this and you walk out of there, you know, top dog,

you know that night. Who else was on the lineup? It was the, after Def Jam exploded, it was the first Def Jam tour. And it was Adele Givens, Reggie McFadden, me, Bill Bellamy and Bernie Mac.

And Bernie, poof, stepped your game up. He let that bitch up. He stepped your game up. You know, cause every time I got a concert, Fabulous wants to perform after me. I don't know why.

We gotta ask Fab when he come here because I've watched him sit in the car. Like the lineup says Fabulous and Fat Joe and Nelly or something like this. The man find a way all the time to perform after me. Fendi here. Yo, Fendi, why does Fabulous want to perform after Fat Joe in every show? Like Seattle, Washington. I'm going to ask him when he comes on the couch. But I'm just trying

to say, is there anybody like that? That you just like, Oh, he trying to like, cause Fab is particularly the one that he wanted. I mean, Europe, anywhere. I don't care if I got the number one song in the world, he gonna find a way to come late to perform after. Why is that, you think? Is it because, is it a- We gotta ask him, because I'm confused,

because he's my friend, he's my buddy. But do you, I'm asking you, do you think it's a thing where it's like, He doesn't want to follow you or he wants to? I'm confused I keep telling you i'm confused. We done did everything from stadiums to little low budget, you know every last minute You know, it's a nice winter day They call you and they'll be like yo somebody's having this birthday party. He got a little bag Pull up and it's me and fab and I watch him in the car like like this waiting for me to go on perform

The minute i'm on stage, I see Fab come in. He grabbed the mic after me. You know, I don't know what it is. I don't know if he does that to everybody. He does it to me. Who does that to you?

Nobody, nobody really, because, you know, whenever I would do, you know, theaters with four or five other comics, your placement was your placement. I want to go before rap. I want to go early anyway and rip the gizzardrons off and leave you with no gizzardrons. I don't want to go after.

I want to make it pause hard.

I don't want to go after.

It's a super pause.

But let me, let me tell you something. make it pause hard. I don't want to go after it. It's a super pause.

But let me tell you something. I feel the same way. I got no problem at certain places where I go, if they'll be like, yo, Joe, you got a half an hour? That's even easier for me.

That's hit mania. I just keep bang, bang, bang till they dizzy. And I'm out of there. You made a mistake if you want to perform after me, especially if they say, yo, Joe, just a half an hour, 45, I'm just coming with straight hits. You said earlier that you're a fan of-

They did something to me last week. They didn't do nothing to me. But I'm out in LA, I got a concert, and I knew it was a mistake. So they put me before somebody and I was like, oh, this is a mistake. So, like, they put me before somebody and I was like, oh, this is a mistake. I said, cause I'm about to tear the paint off this bitch so bad that this next person will perform after me

and they're legends. And I was like, this is a mistake. Like, but I ain't saying nothing. You know what talking to him is like playing double dutch.

Facts. You gotta try to jump in. You know what talking to him is like, playing double dutch. Facts.

You gotta try to jump in. Because even when I started to say something, he would back it. No, you said verbal, you said verbal, uh... Rebound position. Either or. Yo, me and Norrie, we going on vacation.

You feel what I'm dealing with over here?

Man! Because I clearly was off the runway, and that nigga said, and then here's the thing. So let me, you earlier said you'd love to laugh and take a joke and all that. All the time. Do, does anybody ever, comedians, do you like, don't fuck with, like, you know what I'm saying?

If somebody tried to fuck with you, would that bother you?

Nah.

Okay. That's the job. I wouldn't... Because I wanted to say, man, you got the blackest fingers I've ever seen, nigga. You got trick daddy fingers.

They similar to the paint in the eye. Okay, there you go. We might be cousins. Touché. Touché.

You know, this guy's too funny. Touché. He might be color on fuck. Touché. He might be stereotyped. I can't walk into Hollywood yet. He got me with the euro? Diabolical.

I know when it's premeditated. That was his, that was his, that was his. That's on me in the back of bed.

That's on me in the back of bed.

He said, you know, whenever you want to use the euro or a joe, it's over. Like, y'all motherfuckers plant that one. That shit was too crazy. Does anybody ever disagree with the Euro? No, I agree with you. Yo, that shit was crazy, my man.

That was the Euro.

Yo, I watched that shit. I said, yo, that shit was.

Yo, that shit was dope.

You do got the Euro, though. Yo, I looked at the- You might gotta set up a celebrity game just to see if you can hit somebody with it.

Harry, all I care about, besides God and family and health,

is getting to the bag.

So even if I gotta laugh my way at myself to the bank,

I laugh it.

And to answer you, I went to the Beacon Theater. I'm sure you, you, you've been there before, right? And it was, uh, I think it's Joe Torrey, but I was late. And the worst thing you could ever do is walk in a comedy show late. And the man caught me and he wouldn't let go. He was like, hebull. He was like, yo, that's one of my worst, that's one of my worst fears though. Like they be put the spotlight on you like Reggie and um, right. Naughty professor. Yo, this guy tore me up in real life.

He's in the back of my neck. Got Frank star. He got a good 10 to 20 on me. And I'm still sitting down trying to play it off, laughing, and the whole fucking beatman is laughing at me. He kept going. Joe's one of the dudes, him and D.L. Hewley, who I studied in terms of going,

all right, telling jokes is one thing, but there's certain aspects to the game. Crowd work. crowd work and Joe is vicious. Joe once told a dude he said something about his mother and the guy goes, hey man don't talk about my mother she dead. And Joe said I'll give fuck I'll dig the bitch up prop up against the tree so I can talk about it some more. Oh my god. Whoa. They was in his hometown? Yeah they be in his crib you know what I'm saying. Some shit like that.

That's a little bit too much. Listen, when a heckler, when a motherfucker is drunk and heckling you, there's no such thing as too much. Because drunk people turn into suicide bombers. They're not afraid to die. So it's going to be you and me.

You know what I mean?

Man, that's a lot of humor right there to handle, bro. When he fucked me up, he said he could squeeze the donut out my forehead. He was going crazy for me. In front of the whole shit.

Did you just stay there for that?

I had to, man.

I got to be a good sport. If I walk out, that's like the guy... You know the guy, the CEO guy, who's with the side piece up at the Coldplay. If he don't run away and he stands up, I ain't caught him like that in a cookie jar.

He might as well just finish the concert off. No, no, no.

He's supposed to just sit there. It was obvious because he panicked. We wouldn't know about it.

Exactly.

He panicked.

He was there like he was having a work meeting. No funding.

He fucking talking about running away.

It made it obvious.

It should have stayed there, it would have been better than him trying to duck in the

whole shit.

He fucked his whole shit up. He panicked. That's what I'm trying to say. Yo, Tory got me. Oh, you saying he had to stay.

He killed me.

Rapid fire. Rapid fire. Everybody's like, you gotta stay there. You gotta handle this shit. Sit down. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck when, you know, comedy albums was a thing. So I went to the Jay-Z concert at the Staples Center and everybody in the back, you know, bust rhymes and snoop.

I was trying to get people to hold up the album and be like, yo, support my man, da-da-da-da-da. So I saw X and I was like, yo, hey, he And there's one entrance in, one entrance out. 15 niggas came in there behind him. And then the security comes in, slams the door and stands in front of the door. And I'm like, hey, I was just wondering if you could do some joint, my voice, I don't know.

I heard you, you know what I mean? It's my voice. I don't even hear it. If it's good, yo. I don't know. And let me tell you something, man. I've been black my whole life. I grew up, you know, I didn't grow up in the projects, but I grew up poor.

And this is how I knew where my level of blackness ended. This nigga was talking to me, and at one point, he pulls the razor blade out from under his tongue. And that's the first time I saw that. And I'm like, how is this nigga talking, not cutting himself? And I went, yeah, my niggadom ends there.

Yo, my niggadom. I'm black up to a point. That was it. Let me tell you something, your man, DMX, the stories I got about DMX, he probably got more, he was down with him but yo DMX man he was the trip

he was the real real trip he did mad TV he was the real deal yeah I played his mother we did a skit when he came off the road and I'm in the gray outfit with the gray hair and the glasses with the chain with Tim's on and so he's like yo my these bitches I mean they don't they don't love me for me, Earl. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, yo, son, relax. We're going to talk about these hoes.

So it's just me and him going back and forth. That's the whole shit. Like, yeah. I thought of this crazy one, right? But it's truth. It's uncapable, right? It was uncapable. So I got a friend, right? He passed away. We used to call him Joe Bentley, because he owned so many Bentleys. And when we go to Miami, we used to have all these drop top

Bentleys. This guy had too many Bentleys, like an Italian dude too much, right? He died, you said? He died, right? But I'm just telling you this story because I thought about it on the way here. I was like, who would be? But anyway, so this guy must have been the original capper

because you know everything I say is true. These people just ain't having an incredible life like me. So they can't, they can't comprehend the shit I be saying, right? So this man was the bigger capper than me. So every time, he was so rich,

but every time he would tell me stories, I'd be like, he's a mother full of shit. Told me he used to fuck Share. One day he picks me up in my house in Miami, pulls up to Star Island, Share opens the door and the bustier and this thing, boom, her ass walks in.

Shit, you can't believe, right? So the man tells me that when O.J. Simpson was in the Bronco, he was in the airport with the private that O.J. Simpson is his man, right? He was the one waiting for him, for him and A.C. Green to come on a private breakout. This guy, he's telling me, I don't care how it was,

but the point is the man telling me all this shit the whole time. I know yo Fendi, I know he's, I know he's my man. He filthy rich with the shit he was telling me. I could not believe, right? So one day it's his wife's birthday. And he says, yo, we throwing, his wife is named Nicole. Joe Bentley, his wife is named Nicole.

So he says, yo, we throwing her birthday party in my other house up in like where Trump lives, Palm Beach or some shit. We pull up, this shit got white horses, all the, it's just, the guy had too much money. Right? I go with the terror squad.

It's me, Remy, Pistol Pete. This is why I got witnesses with this one. We going there. O.J. Simpson is in the house. So Remy and Pistol start smoking blunts with him. They having the best time with O.J. Simpson.

O.JJ was smoking?

Smoking blunts with Remy and Pistou, right? Remy says she even got a picture of that, right? So I go like... You can murder two people smoking blunts, it's easy.

Yeah. You right. You absolutely right.

The moral to the story is, when it came down to cut the cake, happy birthday, Nicole, Joe Bentley puts the machete in OJ's hand. In OJ's hand. And he said, you did it, nigga, you did it. And OJ start chasing him around the house

with the fucking knife. Somebody got, y'all gotta get an animator and turn these stories into cartoons. Nah, I'm telling, nah, nah, shout out to Mr. Commodore. That's what we need. Mr. Commodore just already start. You seen the shit he did? He did like when I robbed the gym, he played it over.

He's white faced with blonde hair, fat belly out. He's doing the Charlie Murphy, but listen to what I'm saying. OJ starts chasing him around the house with the knife. You say, you did it, man, you did it. The fucking... You say you did it man. You did it the fucking Who would be the OJ Simpson of 2025 if somebody Killed a wife or something like that. Who are you?

Who is stop TV talking about who was stop TV If they was in the white Bronco chasing them, they might Allegedly kill their wife. In 2025, who's the celebrity?

Any celebrity.

Any ce... No? Yeah.

No?

That's murder and fame?

So you think any celebrity would have the TV going crazy?

Yeah.

So you ain't got one pick. OJ wasn't even a big celebrity when that shit happened. He just was OJ. My pick is Tiger Woods. Because you got a white girl. It got to be a white girl, right,

to make this shit go crazy. And white people.

Where did this come from?

I thought he had a question for you. I do. Here's the question. The question is, I was setting them up Who's the old jail? Hey 2025 a celebrity did some allegedly did some shit like that. Who would every channel turn on to?

Anybody that killed two when you said when you say that element now you some of the white girl is a test Does it have to be that element? No, I'm just thinking about how crazy it can get. Will Smith, from Slap to Murder. Will Smith running this craze. Oh, you can't get, and Jazzy Jeff is driving. Jazzy Jeff is driving.

And he got the aux cord. You see where I'm at?

He's DJing while he's driving. And as he's driving, it's in West Philadelphia, born and raised. Oh, because I'm thinking Tiger Woods got the white wife. He's golf. The white people watch golfing. Because the white people love OJ.

That's what made it so crazy.

Right?

Yeah, but it's 2025. Black men murdering white women don't have the same cachet. Yeah. Yo, yo, yo, the views of this ain't, yo, this is out of control. But let me tell you one of the funniest stories I ever heard.

This thing is flirting with the legend, shit. The Mike Tyson of Eve at the awards, and he was like, yo, you got to take the bass out of the voice. Chill, Mike. Chat. That shit.

I told him that story.

I don't know that story. Well, one day Mike was talking crazy to Eve. Like what crazy?

Out of this world. Great.

Like.

Picture how each of kids and how fucking your ass. Not like that.

Not like that. Not like that. But yeah, no, he was saying what happened. Mike, you're crazy shit to you. You must have looked like a steak instead.

You know, when you see it's going to fuck you up. This is a story. No, when you see something and you say something in your mind, he was doing that, but it wasn't in his mind. He was just, whatever he was thinking, he was saying it. And me, Styles and Looch is like,

somebody gotta be the crash dummy, then we gotta Hulk him. Somebody gotta get their Hulk face broke, and then we're gonna Hulk him after that. We did 21st Fingers about 20 million times. Nobody wanted to take the first hit.

Mike was telling her that crazy shit. I want to tell you, I want to, he was saying that crazy shit to her.

And we like, you know what?

You know he did that to Remy. When we was in his house. That's after she shot the girl before. That's, that's after she let that's before she allegedly shot the girl Open the door as niggas you can't do you open the door as naked No, no

Yo, you gotta have heart to tell Mike Jason like yo my towel on, man. Like, and I'm with some allegedly- You at his house, though. Yeah, I'm with some allegedly- He's like, yo, Joe, you know this is the boxes we- Like, yo, my man, you gotta stop. Then we go inside, and the type of things

he was telling Remi, Ma, I felt pussy if I didn't like, like address it. Like I had to be like, yo Mike.

Oh, that might have to be around the same time.

Those the same shit.

Some horny demon shit. He was losing his fucking mind. Just fucking out. Yo! I and Mike, it's crazy. He was like, yo, Joe, you know, he showed me a brand new Benz.

It was like a 500, some brand new shit, never drove. He was like, yo, you just leave her here. You got the Benz, you know? The shit was crazy. Like, I was like, yo, my man.

You just leave her here.

Yeah, like.

That's some terrorist shit.

When he was looking at me, Remy's eyes looked at me, her eyes open so big. She was like, nigga, you better not leave me

in this fucking place.

I think her brother was with us too. Everybody was looking like, yo, like we gonna have to like pound Mike Tyson out. We have no pause, no choice. We gonna have to like, it's nothing we can do. Like he was like, yo, showed us the brand new band.

Shit was like 150, 200. Nobody even had that shit back then. They should still have the sticker. We was like, nah. Like, we... She got to go with us. Like, she can't.

Nah, that shit was crazy, man. Oh, it takes a lot of courage. It's almost like a guy at the movies with his girl, and they rap to his girl girl and they disrespect this girl in front of them is they tend deep You know You're gonna get your ass with a lot of these guys are cowards They won't defend a wife or or they girl or shit like that, but the guy that does he gets the beats

Sometimes the girls are the reason why they get in the situations because she get mouthy and start doing a whole bunch of extra shit Whoa, you beat that let me tell you something my wife to X for sale. Ooh. Did you beat that? Let me tell you something. My wife used to force me. This is when we used to have 100 guys. You're a real nigga. Take me to the club tonight by yourself.

You don't need the crew, this, this, that. I go to the club. I see the guys we beat up the night before 100 deal. And I'm like, there you go. You got it. This the shit you wanted.

Remember I told you about the shit happened yesterday? That's done. 100 D. You want it, your man's the realest. There you go, you got it, mama. No problem, this, this, that.

And we always got away from that, but you know, she used to test me like that You know I'm saying like yo, you got to come up in there by yourself. This this that you know Yeah, the woman could definitely talk you went to some shit What's up with your podcast it's called Spears and Steinberg Available on all streaming platforms. You got go, you got a Jewish guy, what you want? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Playing the game? Money, the money.

Check out the YouTube channel, Spearsburg Pod, hit like and subscribe. And I always tell people, look, we like 679 episodes in. Wow. Start from the beginning, because when you, it's like, you know,

you get a chance to hear the jokes, the evolution of the characters I do, you know, callbacks and it's like Masturbation and potato chips. Once you start you won't stop. Yo, binge! Yeah, I mean just binge man. You know who I hear is making big money with this shit is the country Wayne. They say on Facebook

Yeah, he got a chokehold over there. Remember I called you that time, Dove is here, she does my social media, and I called her and I was like, yo, I heard that dude is clearing checks over there on Facebook.

Yeah, I mean, you know, if you know how to finagle this shit, there's money in it. So I'm kind of just on the cusp of figuring that out. You know? When you get it, though, that shit is a pew pew.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So and also slide into my DMs and Instagram, and I'll chop it up with you and send you the links. Spears and Steinberg. I like that. And you on tour right now, too, right? Yeah, all year round.

I hardly ever get a break. But yeah, me too, man. What about you work a lot, too? Like I find myself not being able to truly enjoy. My piece, because I'm always thinking about, all right, Thursday, we out to Vegas, then Saturday, we in Canada. Like, how do you do it?

Is the same way through your week or you don't care? You just go? No, that shit's on your mind.

You gotta, it's constantly thinking about it.

You can't really just chill, huh? I read some shit today that said you gotta make time for yourself. Gotta make, gotta make some time. But wherever you go, sometimes is it like? Because for me, it's like sometimes if I go, if I'm going to Miami, I'm going to Vegas, New York, that's like a vacation. But if I got to go to Mississippi, oh, straight word, man, I just like niggas that read.

Yo, listen, man, I went to North Dakota last week. Oh, you've been to North Dakota? Yes. Pussy value go down in certain parts of the country.

Man.

I don't even call Miami, Miami. I call it me mommy.

But I got that on the calendar.

I'm going to me mommy Florida, baby.

Me mommy Florida.

Yeah, because them women out there dress like they don't like their fathers. One thing in Miami is they in shape.

Yeah?

They in shape. And everybody works out over there. Like everybody. So the minute you driving down the street, it's like no other place. The minute you driving, you know, everybody got their workout clothes on. The dudes is cock deez who they running around like. You know, Miami is definitely all about the appearance and stuff like that.

So, you know, my mommy. My mom. My mommy, baby. Okay, what's the one, I'm gonna ask you one last question. When's the one time you stepped in shit and you just said, holy shit.

Comedically? Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's easy. We ended the first, that Def Comedy Jam tour at the Garden. And at that time, before the clip that I did, eventually that went viral, 14 million,

I was at a radio station in San Francisco and I did- It went viral back then? No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about later, after this moment. And I did a Jay-Z, DMX, Snoop rapping. And it went viral. But before this, the Garden, I didn't write it down.

I just thought, I'm going to wing it. And I'm going to just go off the head. And this is why you go, you have to have respect for what you do. I bombed so horrifically and as I'm walking past Kid Capri's table, two dudes are standing over there at the DJ booth and one of them goes, I don't know if they said it on purpose

so I could hear it or just the timing. He was like, man, that nigga was gobbling. And I had to walk back from the garden to the hotel Sheridan on 57. I felt like Will Smith in I Am Legend. There was no cars, no people. It was just lonely.

It was me by myself. It was the loneliest walk. That's like change gon' come.

So then that's when I went,

you know what dude, you gotta respect this shit. So I smoked the blunt and I wrote, and I just, I wrote the lyrics out and cut to, that's when I did it at the radio station, and it went viral. That's fine. Yeah. You know what?

He just reminded me, this podcast, there's certain guys you can't really big up like that. Right? So there's some people I big up and they try to diss me. Like Kid Capri, I call him one of my top five. It wasn't good enough.

He's on his Instagram. We got to discuss this. This is this. I seen him at Ray DeJones funeral. I said, yo kid, I can't even big you up. Like, I can't even big you up. Call you the number one on my top five and you still got a problem with it. You on your Instagram like, yo, we got to talk about this.

I'm like, yo kid, I can't. There's certain guys I'm realizing on this podcast and you can't even big them up. Cause somehow that turns into, how are we going to turn this into some other shit? Right. I mean, I got to ask,

because now it just hit me. I got to ask you a question. So when most people go, there's dudes that do battle rap, like Loaded Bucks and Murder Mook. For some reason,

a lot of battle rappers can't make successful albums. And then I'm going, and they also go, well, a lot of guys that are successful at making albums can't battle rap. And I go, when you think about a guy like Jada, one of the hardest MCs ever,

if you had to battle rap, like, you know.

I can't do that shit.

For real?

I think you could though.

I could, but I can't. They possess a special thing with that. That's what they... And I mean, matter of fact, I might could, and they might be able to make classic albums. It's just once the people start saying,

yo, you know, the battle rap niggas can't make good albums. You know, the regular niggas can't beat battle. I maybe can if you push me to the limit. Or if the bag was out of... Because they never say who wins. Whoever you just... The win or the lose it is up to the individual's ears.

Like, they never just put a thing up. Airy, 50 rounds, kiss, three rounds. It's just you was there or you watched the length. You come outside, your man might think you won, other man might think I won. So, if the bag is right, there's no...

All you gotta do is win a good round and a half. I think that was the fun. You get a round and a half, you could be, how many rounds is it, three? But it's really a art of that shit. It can keep starting over

in order to come back with the, I don't, that shit take a lot of practice.

I would have to go to the,

I would have to go in the camp of- See, from the outside looking in and just, as a fan, you just go, you know I can do it. I probably could, but I ain't going to step out there and say it. And then my question to you, Joe, is. I want to help answer that, too. OK, but let me ask you this.

I would think like if there's so much potential money in what if they were to set up like a pay-per-view and go, we would love to see Eminem verse Jada fabulous verse another MC like that, and that never happens really, except with the versus thing that just happened because of COVID.

The thing I'm trying to tell you is to be careful with 50 Cent and them. I didn't get that. No, I'm just trying to tell you. Where did we, are we talking about, are you here? This hip hop thing, right?

It's good. Well, the guys that get the most respect, they have unscathed resumes. So nobody ever robbed Fat Joe, nobody ever beat Fat Joe up, nobody ever, all the guys I ever beefed with,

they never got one up, right? 50s part of that frame of thought where no one gets one up one up, right? 50s part of that frame of thought, where no one gets one up on him, right? So you gotta understand, these guys got these type of, like, egos where they not trying to take no type of L. So with the battle rap, ain't no professional rapper,

like a professional, you might find a Fred Joe Star, you might find one of them. You ain't gonna find a top tier rapper trying to battle for any amount of money, Jada against Eminem, this, this, they're not doing that shit.

Because nobody wants that blemish on a record, you know? And it's the same way street wise with rappers. Once you catch that L, and you on video, look, they were terrified at midnight till they seen him get beat up one time and they had him on film. After that, they was trying to rush him everywhere he went. Arizona, these people were so terrified. So once they see you catch that L somewhere, whether it's battle rap or whatever the case

may be, good luck walking around the same way you walk around. Now, let me go back to that original question. The truth is, there's a lot of artists out there that don't know how to make a hit record. Don't ask me why. There's a lot of artists out there that don't know how to make a hit record, don't ask me why. There's a lot of artists out there that don't know how to make a hit hook, don't ask me why. There's a lot of artists out there

that don't know how to change their flows. There's a lot of artists out there that's considered the greatest lyricists of all time that never could pick a good beat, don't know why. It's like, when you come to comedy, they gotta be like a, a chamber. Does he rock the crowd? Or does he say funny shit on the spot?

Does he have premeditated shit? There's a, there's a, there's a criteria for some reason, everybody's not born with that chamber where every single chamber and I watched it. I mean the greatest, you know, if you want me to say a name, which is not right, but there's been some of the greatest guys

that we consider the greatest rappers of all time that didn't know how to pick a beat or didn't know how to really make a hit. And so some of them hid under the cloth of, I'm underground, you know, I'm underground. I don't really want to make a hit.

You know, I don't really want that kind of success. I don't, I don't this, but at the end of the day, I think rappers, like I started out underground, digging in the crates. I think it shows growth if you're able to make a song like Who Shot Ya and then do a

What's love? You know what I mean? And me I used to tell all my crew digging in the crates I used to tell them all y'all came here to be a superstar. I did not come in here to just be underground not pointing them out in any way, but just saying there's artists that just can't do everything and There's some artists that haven't had the luck. Like you, you're beyond talented.

Everybody knows you're beyond talented. You just ain't have no Adam Sandler in your corner. You just ain't have no, like, you know, you ain't have somebody with that type of power to say, this is the guy, you know? So you, similar to us,

you got to fight your way to where you got your spot. We still fighting. One of the greatest lyrics from you that I love is at that time when you said, what's everybody so mad at the South for? Switch up your style, switch the South for.

I was thinking about that today. That was me. And he borrowed me. I was, Jada, I was listening.

That was my original, that's my line.

Google it.

Yo, Jada, Jada. Go to Charlie, we'll be right back

after this commercial break.

Hold on.

That's my line.

I followed it, bro.

I fucking everybody so mad at the South Pole,

learn how to switch your style up and go South Pole. Yo, let me tell you something. You gave me a set, but you open your mouth for. Better reason for me to just open your scout more. Ooh! Man, that's me.

Let's not get this. I mean, we ain't got all time. No, no, no, no. But I gave you that. You gave you that shout out?

No, yeah.

On a super smash hit record. Yeah.

But...

It's Ridgid who came from Thug It Out, then he threw it on Megan.

He threw it on...

Once again, Donnie, the crossover. Let me explain something to you, right? The point I was making, right, is at that time, everybody borrowed. No, I didn't. I'm just making sure he got to know where it came from. Yeah, he might have set me up with that shit. No, I swear to God. I swear to God. You were the only person that I heard say that.

Well, his shit was a little underground.

Yeah, his song was a-

My shit was smashed.

No, but I still gave him the props song was a... My shit was smashed. It was a hit.

No, but I still gave him the props, Shada. I was listening. I don't care about it being the biggest song. I just don't... You're not going to deprive me of being a part of it. That's all.

But I did big...

You gave me these?

I love you. That's a big record, make it rain. But let me explain something to you, right? I traveled around the whole country. I did this thing, I think it was for Bud Light. And in every city, the star of the city, basketball players, would come out, right? So if it was Memphis, it was Zach Randolph at the time.

If it was LA, if it was Philly AI, and we would host every one. What I noticed that the whole entire country, from the East to the Midwest, to the West, to the South, were only playing down South music in the club. One time, New York created hip-hop. That was no longer, we was not

running the game. The West took it, we wasn't running it. South took over the game to the point of, I gotta be deaf, dumb, and blind to be sitting in the hottest club with the hottest ball playing, not to notice this shit unchanged on us. You can't come with the boom back and think you're gonna pop one off. It just wasn't working at that time.

The DJ gotta spin with fluidity the same shit that's rocking. So the DJ playing nothing but the down south shit. So I'm in Memphis and the guy goes and says, let's throw it back. He throws on the rock buildings in the building tonight.

Oh, the problem with that was that was actually number one at that time. He said, the throwback, the throwback of the day, rock building in the building tonight is because they're so used to hearing nothing but the dirty South winning all day

that even though that record was the hottest shit out, they called it the throwback. Same with New York. New York was really, really cocky. I remember there was a time when New York, you listen to Hot 97 and they'd be like,

yo, what's playing outside of the five boroughs? And they'd be like, these are my confessions. They had that shit in the chokehold to where they wasn't playing that. So according to the line, why you mad at the city?

You gotta switch the South for it. You know how many New York rappers was...

Rich niggas switched?

He didn't! No, no. Because at first, they get mad at you. You figure it out. They get upset. Yo, he getting into the bag, nigga made it down South End. That's what's ringing right now.

So all my New York colleagues, furious. I'm reading the Source magazine, oh, how could he rhyme on something like this? Next thing I know, everybody's the 808, rocking like this, but they was dumb mad at me when I first did Make It Rain.

They were like, yo, how you can rap on that? And then everybody is just a new norm. Then New York started sounding like the dirty south, to be honest with you. If you're going to keep it a buck, because they were like, yo, we got to make one of these. So in other words.

Being that he was the originator, it's like you Elvis Presley, but he was Big Mama Thornton. I guess so. You know who Big Mama Thornton is? No.

She wrote, uh, Nothing But A Hound Dog.

What?

Black woman.

And then Elvis took it and made it into a hit. But no, she's the real... Well, he spit a bar. He didn't write my song, brother. Be clear.

Yeah. He spit a bar. You didn't write my song, brother. Be clear. We spit a bar, you know, and that shit went, you know, make it rain one of them classicos.

Don't get it fucked up. This is crack. It is the first line of the first verse though, right? Yeah, you hear this? Nah, motherfucker. Jadakissall Jadakiss. It's y'all Jadakiss. I'm gonna hire a comedian behind the scenes. I might hire you. Give me some Jadakiss jokes, because this guy. Oh, shit.

You tried and you lost. I thought we was partners. You tried. 48 hours, we supposed to be partners. You was unsuccessful. I can see. No, no. You got the base. That was a draw. That was a draw.

That was one in one.

I was off the top.

I would never ask you for directions. I asked you to get to the Bronx. You send me to Kentucky. The way you all over the place, man. So you say I'm fraud, but let me tell you something.

He hit you with that shit right. I said touche.

Man.

He gave me my fuck. I thought that was a great one. Dude, sometimes when you speak in your regular voice, especially if I've been smoking a lot and drinking, I get a little raspy. I've been working on it.

You know, let's get it, baby. Congratulations, homie. 1.1 million in a short week.

Ha ha!

Ha ha!

So I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Let me see if my, hold up.

Ahem.

And I ain't animated like, say, a Busta Rhyme. The real shit you get when you break down my line. Head that to the faculty and play a bunch of time. Time zap a mind flowing with some pop coach. influence on pop cults. I'm supposed to be number one on everybody list.

Hope!

I love you, Tony Soprano. I used you on the intro to the album.

Of course you did. You know, the fucking Dale. One of the guys in the fucking Italians. You know what it is? It's scenic with the fucking Eurostep. You're pretty good.

Yo, this is Joe Crack. Jadakiss. Another episode of the Joe and Jada Show. Make some noise for our brother, Airey Spears.

You heard me? You heard me?

That was beautiful.