GAJI LOE UMR⁉️GAK MASALAH, AYO KITA BEDAH! - INI BARU MASUK AKAL‼️ THEO DERICK - PoscastA

Now, you have 100M, for example. I have 10 million, right? You can talk to me, all in. Then I'll return it. Do you want to all in?

100M, you. Why not? Both of us have 100% and you have 100%. The further the gap, the more it feels possible.

This is interesting. You have to listen to this. I've never heard this before.

You have to heard of this. You should. Try it. People's condition is really hard. I understand that my mom wanted to kill herself three times. Last time, she drank Baigon when I was born. And look, her child can still sit like this on this podcast.

Teo.

Oh, my.

We were talking for an hour.

It's been a long time, right?

Yeah.

I'm so relaxed.

Yeah, that's why.

We've been talking about how to be a good wife.

Love.

Love.

Love.

Rather than talking about other things.

I'm interested in inviting you not because of Ryu.

I thought so.

No, no, no. I don't want to invite him. I don't want to invite him either. Because he's still a kid. If I'm right or wrong, I think it's the parents.

Yes.

I don't want to be a long story.

No comment, no comment.

No comment. Not against me. Just leave it. But I'm interested in this. So, in my opinion, your book is different from others. Because people make a book from zero to hero.

Oh yeah.

One billion first. Success without work.

Yeah.

But your book is written, From Zero to Survive. It means that you are pessimistic, right?

Oh, I'm already baited.

Why are you pessimistic?

Why don't you sell from zero to hero?

But is it really hard in reality?

I already have a background picture. I'm not in an ideal condition. God allowed me. My mother is a single parent. Divorced, family is in the middle. You know Mangga Besar, right?

Of course I know.

You often go there, right?

Oh yeah.

Often?

Because of the cellphone sales? You used to... There are many people who don't know. You were a street vendor, right?

That's right.

I was a street vendor too.

The same.

Yes, so I lived in Gang Pepaya. Gang Pepaya? Yes, the gang was the size of three wheeled bicycles. Wheeled bicycle, kids. So, it's a lot of bicycles. And the road was quite bronze.

So, my neighborhood was... Maybe a lot of people say, "... Nowadays, rich people are hard to get." No. So, honestly, the neighborhood that we lived in was usually chased by debt collectors. There were people who played gambling in the back.

There were people who killed drugs.

That's right.

I know. I live in Petojo.

And then, there's someone who's a saleswoman.

A saleswoman.

Selling the keywords that you often use. For a living. That's the environment. So, in short, you can go to school in a good place because the letter of clarification is not able to come from the church and the academic value is quite...

That's how it is. I don't want to explain it here.

But it's okay, T. Don't explain it too long because it's the same with me.

Okay.

I was like that when I was in school. Okay. So, my mother went to the school and asked for a dispenser.

So, we're used to living in insecurity, right?

We're used to it. We're very used to it.

It's normal.

Where's China?

There he is.

Right?

China lived alone at that time.

Right?

Yes, right?

Just admit it. At that time, it was still racism. It was still high.

So, it survived.

Yes, that's right. It survived. That's why I feel like, the component of my life is God's plan step by step. Step by step. Until now, I've lived enough. Enough, not like, I'm so rich, no, it's enough.

I can afford a mother, a wife, and all kinds of things. That's why I told God, I want God, if one day He uses me, on social God, I want God to use me in social media or books. This is a channel, right? I can make my life story for my friends in that phase too. I want to.

That's why it's called From Zero to Survive. Why? Because in my opinion, our task in this world is to survive. But survive doesn't mean for poor people only, Om. Many this world is to survive. But survive doesn't mean only for the poor. Many rich people don't survive.

Explain.

So, what I mean by survive is that you can, with being aware and mature, take care of your mental health, your soul, your spirituality, and your body.

So, I have to go to the gym? It means you have to exercise. If you lift dumbbells at home, it's exercise.

It's also a workout.

As long as you don't pay for membership, you can still exercise.

That's right.

So, Survive is not only about financial?

No. The component that makes a person become a human being is when he is healthy in all four of them.

What are the four?

Thoughts, soul, spirituality, and body.

Okay, what is the definition of soul?

We talk about the healthy thinking pattern.

Healthy thinking pattern?

Healthy thinking pattern is a pattern of thinking that knows reality, knows itself, and accepts the living condition.

Knows reality, knows itself, and accepts the living condition. Yes. Okay.

So it's not a thinking pattern that's too broad, so you force what's outside of your created condition.

Not soft.

Yes. The easy language is, you're a fish, but you want to climb a tree.

Okay.

That simple.

If you say that, how do you get the first 100 billion from the poor?

Not 100 billion. Start from the first 10 million. The first 100 million, because here's the thing. Our condition to accept life is the starting point of our life. But where God can take us to, we can't say.

Okay. So you have to accept yourself first.

Yes. Including your parents, your background. Accept it first. Because if you can't accept yourself, you're alone. Your brain will always be dissatisfied and compare. Okay. In a tendency, you will be like that.

In a tendency.

So it's easy to get triggered.

With?

With all kinds of things.

McLaren?

All kinds of things. Just keep going.

I compare too, because I don't have one. I can compare, right?

You have a Ferrari.

I sold it, I can compare it. You have a Ferrari. I sold it, I can't afford it.

Really?

Yes, that's the point. So, social media is influential? Very much.

It's a mess.

It depends on the person who consumes it.

Is it healthy or not? Okay, for example, I see...

...young people...

...traveling to Europe.

I know where you're going. I won't give you.

Young people traveling to Korea, to Europe. Buying Hermes bag, for example. Young people go to Korea, to Europe, buy AirMods, watch, etc. While my salary is UMR.

If someone is not healthy first, what is the way of thinking? First, you must turn on the external factor.

External?

Yes. Because people who are not healthy, they don't know themselves. It's impossible to turn on yourself.

So what do you do?

Maybe family.

I was born in a family.

For example, I work as a housekeeper. I still get asked for money every month. No matter how smart I am, when will I get to Europe?

It's over.

It's over.

Externally.

Externally.

Because I don't know myself yet.

Okay.

If he... Okay. One, blame externally.

Yes.

Is there a second one?

The second one, maybe it's the blame. The other one, if you're not healthy, maybe you're down.

Down?

Down. Down in the sense that the meaning of his life or his self-worth is down. Self-worth is down in the sense that I'm just a normal person. That's the Chinese holiday.

There's a stereotype.

There's that.

Like that. For example. There are also those who are religious. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. There are also people who are like, -"He's weird. No wonder he left." Basically, everything is external.

Blaming others.

Yes. The situation, God, whatever.

Okay.

Whatever.

If he doesn't know himself.

If he doesn't know himself.

If he's healthy.

If he already knows himself, automatically he knows where his position is now. Okay, my income, 5 million. Okay, the condition of the million. Okay, my parents' condition is like this every month. Oh, it means if I see someone on vacation in Europe, I'll skip it. Why? Because it's not relevant to my life.

I'll just see the vacation to Bali. No, it's different. If we know ourselves, we know where our next step is. We know what the next step is. Oh, that's beautiful. We know what the next step is. It's totally different, Om. Totally different.

Actually, it's logical. It's like a self-defense. In my time, self-defense was karate. I did karate and one black belt for 11 years. Now, I did it for 3 months. Because of the expensive test. and one black tires are 11 years old. Now there's a 3-month-old one. Because the exam is expensive.

So, I'm looking for money from the exam.

There's not everything.

Oknum.

But at that time, if I saw, this black tire is really good. I fight it. I'm stupid. I went from white to yellow first.

That's it. If you have accepted that you know that you are far from black. Then black is not a comparison.

Don't compare it with that.

Don't. Yellow first.

In any way.

What do you mean?

In a weird way.

No. That's why we're just talking about healthy thinking. Weird or not, there will be a healthy soul and spiritual.

Okay, healthy thinking first.

We're going to differentiate the lines.

Okay, this is very interesting. So, we have to have healthy thinking first, to know ourselves. Right. Okay, to know ourselves.

To know ourselves and accept.

But how do we accept when our mindset is set? When we are in a bad situation.

When we are in a bad situation, it has entered into a healthy spirituality. Okay, for example. Okay, for example. In a bad situation, it means that if we talk about thoughts, the thoughts are cognitive, self-awareness and IQ.

Okay.

Humans are stubborn.

Okay. Right?

I've heard people who are really stubborn. The final conclusion is that God works on them. What does it mean? Stubborn, right? Entering spirituality.

I know it.

Entering spirituality, here we can see what is the life's grip.

So you go to religions?

Of course.

Of course.

You need a life's foundation. You need a life's grip because there are too many things out of your control and ability. When you're stuck, you can't do anything anymore, you'll look for a higher being. That's by default. Here, your spirituality is playing. Do you have the foundation? At least it won't make you suddenly become a rocket.

But it will be a barrier when you fall, you won't die.

Okay. I got it. And then, the last one is?

Earlier, if we talk about IQ, then we jump to SQ in spiritual, it means that we have a healthy soul.

A healthy soul.

A healthy soul is EQ, right? Emotional. By knowing yourself, you can know what makes you happy, when you burn out, where your point of impact is.

The context is still the child goes to Europe.

Yes.

Okay, for example, the second one. Talk about IQ. Okay, Europe. I know myself. Oh, it turns out I'm a really happy person playing badminton with my friends. It turns out badminton releases me when I'm stressed. Well, instead of seeing people stressed in Europe,

I called my friend to play badminton, and it's over.

I know what makes me happy. Running.

No need for Europe.

Yes.

Positive running.

Positive.

Because you know what triggers you to be happy. Oh, I really like eating soto. Yes, you're dizzy. You eat soto after that. You really like fried rice.

You're smart. You should make a book. I already did. Okay, I get the point. After that, what was it?

We've talked about IQ, SQ. Complete, right?

Complete.

What did I say last time? Wait, earlier...

You introduced yourself, spiritual, healthy soul, healthy body.

Healthy body. Now, we are created by God by default. Body and mind are synced. People are most prone to illness if their mind is stressed. Isn't it weird? Your body is not healthy if your mind is unhealthy.

In a healthy soul.

Yes, your mind can be healthy, but your body is unhealthy. Your mind becomes unhealthy.

Your mind is healthy, but your body is unhealthy. You can't do anything.

You can't do anything. That's why people say, you will only look for money until your health is taken. After that, you just want to be healthy. It's always like that.

That's what Haderah said. He said health is not important. Until... That's why health is the only thing that matters.

Yes, that's why if you are aware of the four, you can arrange your days on Sunday.

Strategy.

Strategy. On Sunday I want to go to a place of worship to fulfill spirituality. Later at night, I want to go to Saturday. Oh, on Friday night, I went back to the office to play badminton. That's what I meant by your emotional fulfillment.

Even with a salary that's just right.

We talk about salary that's just right in different contexts. Salary that's just right is when we talk about finance. We can't do it continuously. We can't do it continuously. No. Humans are created for growing. So, at least we try to find a side hustle on Saturdays. Or we look for something that can generate additional income.

Not to move to another job, right?

No, it shouldn't. Especially in this era.

In this era, if you move to another job, you won't get a job.

Yes, but we talked about the salary of 5 million. Dad's savings is not 50 billion. Because if my dad's savings is 50 billion, I'll get 2 million.

It's okay.

Don't be like that. Just do it. Don't have to pay.

Intern.

Yeah, just intern. Okay, so we can't accept our income as it is.

Right. No.

If it's not enough?

We have to accept our own condition. Okay. So that the external side doesn't bother. Okay. But we also have to accept that we are created to grow. So, we have a responsibility to develop ourselves as much as possible.

And when the value increases, the fortune will also increase.

But... Should I call you Teo or Derick?

Teo is fine.

But you're talking, people will will talk, you talk easily.

True.

Right? UFR salary, 5 million, have a wife, have a child, go to school, work, one week tired. Better at home. Or what do I want to do? I'm a jack. Grabbing. What do I want to do? I don't get rich by grabbing.

It's not that easy, Teh.

You said there are many variables. If you have a wife and a child, your wife pays you 50 million, your life is over. You were talking about the variables. As if you are responsible and responsible for the consequences of the whole universe on your shoulders.

No, I don't agree with you. If I get paid 50 million, if my wife gets paid 50 million,

it will be more of my problem. That's right. You are not married yet.

It's not over yet.

It will be more of my problem.

So, maybe this is it. We are realistic. If the salary is in the US, whether we want it or not, in this era, we have to look for side hustle. That's for sure.

Side hustle is various. Even grabbing and taking out the car is not a problem.

When you say that, it means you're talking about surviving.

That's right. We talked about these four things, and we survived.

But I want to be rich.

I agree with you. Becoming rich is not certain.

You are motivated.

No. Being rich is a must. Because it's a phase of growth. A part of us is created. Because being rich means phase of growth. Part of us is created.

Because being rich means growing.

Growing.

Being rich is definitely not there.

Not there.

What is being rich?

Yes. Suddenly there's a trunk across my house. My neighbor was hit by a motorcycle. The trunk was filled with 50 million. I brought it home. I became rich with 50 million. It's not like that.

There's a process there.

And does 50 million make you rich?

It depends. Where are you playing?

Yes, that's right.

But being rich is a must.

Okay. It means that you say that humans have to evolve.

Correct. We're created to evolve. That's why we're created with input, process, output. Everything we hear, people who listen to podcasts, they're smarter. It's input. What we hear, what we see.

Is there an output?

What we do. That's it. Enter the process. What do we want to do with the output. When there is an output, we will definitely develop. Because we have to accept that we are created to develop. By default, the human system is like that.

Okay. But you are talking these two people who are influenced by, we know the title, we know the class becomes rich without work. We know the games like that. It means that humans are still trying to get the fastest way.

Okay. This is what we discussed earlier, Om. I have to say that the further the gap is, the more it feels possible.

This is interesting. You have to listen to this. I've never heard of this. You have to listen to this.

The more people gap, the more it feels possible. For example, we play, for example, in 5 million salary. So, as good as you are, you can save, add THR, etc. You can cut it off, for example. You have a savings of 20-30 million. When I told you, 5 years I achieved 100 billion,

and I taught you how, you must believe. Because the distance of 30 million to 100 billion is far beyond the Raba.

And people don't believe?

Because they have no right to think anymore.

Oh shit.

They can't. by asking, how can I find 37 dead turtles? Because the path is visible. If the path is visible, you can think. If the path is invisible, you can't think. Your choice is whether you want to accept that information or you don't want to accept it.

Wow.

Wow.

Like you said to me, for example.

I've never heard anyone say that. For example, you said to me, for example. I've never heard anyone say that.

For example, you said to me, Teh, do you know that the distance from Earth to Mars is this far? I said yes. Whatever you say about the planet Mars, I say yes. Try talking to someone who has ever flown out of space. The statement will be different.

Or I'll just talk from here to PSD. We debate, right?

Yes, you can. That's what happened, Om. 99% of the Indians have a reckoning of less than 100.

100 what?

Millions.

So when given a dream, what they have is a dream that can become a hope. Because they don't know, it can happen. Because they don't know, it can happen.

Yes, like this. You take me fishing to a pond. You say, Teh, there's a Megalodon here. I've been fishing here, it's 30 meters big. I just believe that people like people have never fished there. It's not visible. But if you take me to the place where I usually fish,

you say there's a mega lodon, I say, are you crazy? It's hard to find a mud flatfish. When the gap of knowledge is too far, and you believe in something,

it's very tricky. And that's when they play.

That's why I said knowing yourself is important. Because that's the only way you filter. By looking at your own capacity.

But there are many examples that are not proven. Why don't you become a teacher?

Let's go back. If we are already in trouble, and we don't accept our living conditions, we don't want to process it. We want to say, Oh, is there such a probability?

I'll try. I'll fight. Especially if there is such a probability. I'll try it. I'll fight it. Especially if there are a lot of narrations now. If you have a little money, I've heard this before, but I don't know the subject. I've heard this statement, but I don't know the subject. I've been slammed twice.

If you have a little money, you're all in. You only have a little. Does it look right?

It looks right.

It looks right. Now, let's say you have 100M. I have 10 million. You can talk to me. Take all in.

It looks right.

Then I return it. Do you want to all in? Your 100M? Why not? Both of us have 100% of it. It's the same as our whole wealth, crazy.

Why do you ask me to all-in, you don't dare? Because I only have 10 million people, we both have 100% of us. If we talk about risk, it's the same.

Why?

Well, I can't answer.

Yes, I get the logic, but why? Because the narrative is built like that. Why don, I got it. But why?

Because of the narrative that was built.

Why I don't want to join 100M?

Because... how do I know? Maybe you're not really sure, for example. Or you don't dare.

Or because 10 million is easier to find?

In your eyes. In my eyes, 10 million and 100 billion, the weight is the same weight. That's why I said, life must know itself, otherwise we will have a hard life.

Right?

It's true. People will be like, yes, yes. It's like people are pessimistic about life. People have given up. Of course.

Why? Because their self-worth is falling. They can't see themselves objectively. They will just think, yeah, yeah, I don't mean anything compared to you. So if I all-in, I die, that's it.

Or am I a difficult person? That's why I ask you again, do you want to be all-in? We're the same, we're betting 100% versus 100%.

Like that.

This is life, Om.

Sorry, if you ask me, back to when you had 100M all in, would you do it? No, I'm stupid. I wouldn't do it.

Why? Why is there a statement like that? If you're having a hard time, just all in. We both have 100%. Why is it different? Why am I less significant than you?

I can answer, but with rough words. But I get your point. It makes sense. So, what's the difference between selling education and selling dreams? Please.

If you put it that way, kinda.

Okay. But can you sell education without dreams?

In my opinion, selling education plus motivation, you can.

Okay. I think selling education plus motivation is possible. but the ethical responsibility is heavier.

That's what you think is ethical.

You asked me. You called me Teo, so I answered as Teo. If you call me someone else, so I answer as Theo.

If you call me someone else, I answer as someone else. You called me Theo, so I answer as Theo.

What makes you feel like you have that responsibility? Not you as a person.

Okay, I'll give you a use case. Why did I say this social media is crazy? And this is maybe a little context. I started to make content from prayer. I was an entrepreneur in 2016 until September 2022. I was very upset with IKA.

IKA?

Yeah, you were invited, right?

IKA who?

Indra.

Oh! Indra Keh?

Yeah, that period. That's one of the things that makes people make a lot of financial decisions.

Yeah, I challenged my watch sales to give out. That's one of the things that makes people make a lot of financial decisions.

I challenged my watch sales, I gave out.

Yes, I watched. From there, I prayed to God, I said, God, if you want to use me on social media, I want to share as it is, the real one is really stupid. With anything, I just want to be an impact.

That's it, I just prayed like that. I started the content, I was given a way. Okay, so that's how it was. The road. Until a month ago, I was shocked. Why?

I was finishing my coffee, I was drinking coffee, and I was walking out. Someone ran up to me, and his hand was shaking. Koteo, Koteo, Koteo, Koteo. Why? Why, why was it shaking? Do you know why?

Two months ago, I went bankrupt 2 months ago? I was out of town and I was about to kill myself. I didn't know what to do, I was scrolling through my phone, and you said, what's important is not success, but survive. I cried, I knelt down, I said, I'm still surviving, why do I have to die?

Just because I'm not successful. If on the left, this content can save people's lives, it means on the right, if he hears the opposite content of me, he will die that day. I don't think I'm talking to you.

I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've never heard that, Om.

Anyway, talk.

You talk. Oh, I've never heard of it. I'm the one who said it. It can kill you.

It can.

I'm using logic, I'm not using anything. If the logic was that the person is safe because of the content, it means that there will be people who are depressed and die because of the content. Because it's always like that, paradox. There are left and right.

Zero sum games.

You're right.

If there's... Right.

Some are lucky, some are at a loss.

This is not a matter of money, right? Zero sum games are...

No. Terms. Terms. Yes. Right. That's what makes me more and more lag. I understand why God put me on social media.

It turns out there are impacts like this. That's why if you look at it, just trash it. I never have a negative or annoying comment. I reply annoyingly.

For example, an annoying comment.

For example, you're a bad boy, rich Chinese. That kind of cut is hard to pretend. I just reply, thank you, I hope it's a blessing. Why? Because my purpose is a blessing. If my main goal is a blessing, it means I'm definitely a controversial person.

I'm definitely a drama person. I'm definitely a drama person if I reply to negative comments.

Like that.

That's why until today, I just want to come here. I prayed, my attitude is only one. The important thing is that I am a blessing here.

Wow.

How old are you?

I'm 93, Om.

93 means now you're 23. 32. Eh, 32. Can you put yourself in terms of wealth?

Wealth in what terms? Wealth in financial terms. That's enough. That's enough. I mean, how much is your living cost and your lifestyle? Your income is multiple times that.

That's enough.

How many times is it multiplied?

For example, if I only spend 5 million a month, if I get 30 million, I'll be happy. 25 million, I'll be unemployed every month. If you invest, you'll be richer.

Okay. If it works, right?

If it works.

But if it doesn't work, you have to learn. If it doesn't. If it's working.

But if it's not working, I'll learn. If it's not working, you'll get a refund next month.

Because you don't use the money. Because it's not all of it. I don't all in.

You're going there again.

If I all in, you don't learn. It's over.

If you all in, you'll get it all. If I all in, oh yeah, right. But the income... If I'm all in, it's revealed. That's why I always say that investment is actually a capital game. Because if you have a lot of capital, the probability of losing is getting smaller. You can diversify to the ones that are good. When you consider investment as a game changer.

Like that. Okay. In this condition, where people are in trouble, the economic situation is difficult. I'm not talking about Indonesia, I'm talking about the whole world,

is it the same? For example, someone has 100 million. He's unemployed. Unemployed, right? Unemployed means he understands that this money can be used. What can you do?

If you don't have anything, I'll give you 100 million.

If this 100 million is unprofitable, but we're talking about finding earning power or finding investment first. Different game, different map.

Yes, but you can't just explain it to people.

Do you want to make this 100 million into cash flow, or do you want to make it into investment? These are two different things.

Okay, I'll give it to 10 million.

That's too far. It's okay. I'm curious about the 10 million.

Maybe I'll lower it to 100 million first.

That's scary. That's scary.

That's scary.

I'll lower it to 10 million first.

That means cash flow. Okay. Of course, if it's 10 million, the logic is cash flow first. So, how do I have 10 million and I increase my income per month?

Yes.

If in this era, maybe I will look for a community or content or a workshop that still fits my 30% budget.

So, 3 million?

Yes, at max. To enter the industry that is full of money at that time. I don't know, AI, digital, or social media. Learn.

So, it's also an investment.

Yes, but we're not talking about money. Investment is not a capital market. Investment is a neck and neck. Because if we talk about earning power, you have to increase the capacity of your brain and yourself. That's the only way.

Why don't you just start UMKM?

Business. The risk is big. The economy is in a downturn. It's better for you to be a content creator than start a business.

The probability is the same, make it or die.

But the business cost is high. Opex, fixed cost. Content creator, low cost. Large margin.

But content creator at the end of the day, content creators become the red ocean.

Well, let's go back. Life is about building a foundation. You build a foundation in business and a foundation as a creator. Nowadays, it's about being a creator. You unlock access to many people that you can't find. Even your investor. With the creator, you give the world a space to know your strength.

Who are you?

You're running for self-branding.

That's right. That's right. After that, when you build the foundation here, you understand how to play this, slowly build it here and there are results, after that you want to expand to business,

everything is fine. If you ask me, maybe 10 years ago, I would answer business first.

Because?

The era has changed. All my business, all time high because of personal branding, Theo Derick, it's up. Everyone is interested.

Oh, you admit that?

Yes.

Radit said, your business is the best, I said, the best is endorse. I make an exhibition, for example, one exhibition, the turnover is 1.5 million.

Cut again, cut again, employees, cut rent, all kinds of things, clean, put in the company, you can't just pull it. Try to be a creator,

get a 1.5M campaign. It's clean. Of course, it's tax.

But making an event is also tax. There's a difference.

Yes, but in terms of net margin, if you can manage and you're aware...

Low cost.

Low cost. And it can be your capital for the next opportunity. There's an opportunity in investment, you can get in. There is an opportunity in business development, you can get in. There is an opportunity in expansion, you can get in. I even said it in the place of Radit yesterday. If it's good from an entrepreneur to a creator,

he can even see this creator world as a new business.

Okay. There is no difference from difference between content creator and entrepreneur?

Different.

Different?

Content creator and entrepreneur are different. Why? Because content creator is good, and entrepreneur is not good. For example, you become a content creator. You're famous. The brand is chasing you. You're paid a lot, you're invited to talk for an hour.

Suddenly you create an agency. The brand that wants to pay for your agency, has a meeting with you for two hours. Does your payment equal the content creator's?

Not necessarily.

Not necessarily. If you're bad, you're criticized. If you're filling the brand, for example, the there's a problem, you're the one who complains. To be blunt, the positioning is totally different. Be a creator first and get momentum, then start a business, it's hard as hell.

Because you have to go down again and get into the process. But an entrepreneur like me, who has been finding it difficult from the beginning, you enter the world of creators, happy, you're a fan. No, I'm from the creator content, I'm't know. I'm not a decontent creator. So, your mindset is always an entrepreneur.

Fixed.

You have a lot of this and that. And you know the process. You're not the kind of person who suddenly gets a boom. You build your foundation in such a way that it becomes exponential in every industry you enter.

But it's a boom. If I didn't have a TV, I wouldn't be on TV, etc.

Yes, but the formation of yourself is not a waste. I always say it's the foundation, Om.

Explain.

The foundation is when you spend a few years, especially if you're a prince, right? Spend... Is it true?

Yes, it's true. Huh? It's true. Huh, it's true. You're the real Princess who became a trillionaire. I was already a millionaire. She's like that.

I'm the real Princess.

That's your title.

Supposed to be.

I'm the one who said that.

So, what do you think? What do you think about me?

Yeah, you've been through a lot of processes. From the condition you're in, and all that. You asked me earlier, how old are you, T? You must have felt that my way of thinking is old.

No, I'm mature.

Oh, mature, okay. But why is that? Because we have been through a lot of things that are difficult, especially at an early age.

So when I run to the entertainer and I'm having a hard time, I know it's going to be hard.

But imagine if you were a new graduate, for example, get momentum, fame, money, from him to talk to the brand, for example. Suddenly he meets a brand, if he builds an agency, you have to refuse. Sorry to say, it's not good to say it.

But I need to say this. This is why there are so many... Sorry to say, sorry again. Correct me if I'm wrong. But this is why there are so many celebrities or comedians in the past who are famous, but their parents don't have money to afford a doctor.

That's it. The process of managing your skills, all kinds of things. You get it from the pain, from the pain of the pain.

But this is the mindset, right?

This is fate.

This is fate?

Yes.

Anyway, fate is more like a humor than a mindset. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm interested in what you said. When you start too easily, you're not ready for the obstacles. That's the point.

The foundation is fragile.

The foundation is fragile. Okay. Does knowledge help?

No. Definitely not. Because wisdom is the link between knowledge and experience.

So, a Harvard student who doesn't have experience can still destroy it like this?

Yes, because there are many blind spots. For example, learning business model. Wow, this is crazy. The language is cool, right? If it's a business school, of course. Wow, this is a valuation game. Suddenly, when I got home,

my father said, keep doing my business. Where? There, in Mangga Besar, behind. Tomorrow, if you are disturbed by Preman, just slip it in, okay? I'm right behind you. If you're disturbed by Preman, just give him a slap. He's confused. Preman comes.

What's the theory? Give him 100,000? He calls me at the end. Sir, there's Preman. What should I do? Just give him 100,000.

Done. Done.

In business, there are too many things like that, Om. There is no theory.

There is no theory. You can't be beautiful. There is no theory.

Wow. But you make this has become...

I'm one of them who agree with what you said.

and you keep turning them off.

You know there's a twist there, right? There was a twist when I turned off someone's dream.

When it comes to you, it's already blessed. When it it reaches you, it's a blessing. That's it, praise God. When it reaches you and you're not a blessing, that's it, it's okay too.

Because your purpose is to help people.

Yes, my purpose is simple. I'm a blessing, I'm an impact.

Helping people, a blessing, or opening people's eyes?

Opening people's eyes, maybe.

Opening people's eyes, yes.

Yes. And the word realistic is not from me. Because my purpose and intention is to say what it is, so in the end I'm labeled as realistic. It's not like... I mean, I can change the narrative, right? I mean, I can be like this. Do you want to have 1 million followers on Instagram

without controversy, without drama, without flexing? In 2 years?

I do.

I've arranged all the strategies. I have all kinds of frameworks.

You do?

I do. There's no Rappalbemeng. It's just the result of prayer, walk step by step, and today it's today.

Can you repeat it?

No.

I can't.

Okay, T.

With the current situation, let's go back to the situation. How can someone have this kind of mindset? What's the most important thing? You said that you want to know yourself. Right? You've answered it.

But what makes people open their eyes? Do they see the reality first? Do they realize that aware of this situation? We don't have to be so yeah. Without reducing the feeling of despair.

Despair is actually tricky. Despair is something that happens when you give up. When you don't make the decision to give up. There's no such thing as a break up. Even though you've been through a lot. A lot.

The important thing is you're still alive tomorrow.

You're a dog. I'm still awake. I'm still awake. I'm still awake. I'm still awake. I'm still awake. I'm still awake. I'm still awake.

I'm still awake.

I'm still awake tomorrow, you're not given a chance to give up.

You wake up. Wake up.

No, I've given up. I've given up. You can't, you're still awake. You have to do the best today. Why? Because you're still given another chance. So, giving up is actually in your mind.

Indeed, people's conditions are very difficult. I also understand. I understand that people's condition is very serious. My mom wanted to commit suicide three times. She drank Baigon when I was born. And look, her child can still sit on this podcast. My mom gave up. She gave up on committing suicide three times.

But because of coincidence, every time she committed suicide,

she woke up again the next morning.

And today... Every time I wake up in the morning, there's this day.

See, you're being told to wake up in the morning, but you're too lazy to wake up.

Yeah, so if I want to say sorry, I mean, everyone has a hard time, trust me. Especially in this condition. You wake up in the morning, you're stressed. Find three people who are more stressed than you, so you can be grateful, it's easy.

Do you know that I...

Maybe because he's cute, nice. I used to say that too.

Seriously?

I was bullied.

Oh, really?

I used to be a judge in a talent search contest. And there was one contestant who was not good. I asked her why, and he said, he was stressed. Because he was stressed, so he didn't consent. I got angry. I said, you're stressed. A beautiful person like you,

as perfect as you, on the stage, watched by the whole of Indonesia,

you're talking about stress the whole of Indonesia.

You dare to talk about stress in front of me?

What kind of stress do you have with the tofu seller in front of the studio?

Who has to raise three children and so on. And still selling tofu, only get 30,000 a day. You dare to talk about stress? I was brushed off. Brought down by the corruption who doesn't understand mental health.

But, beautiful means a woman, right? Yes, a woman. So, at that time, you were wrong.

Because I won't win against a woman.

Because if a woman only needs validation.

What are you doing?

What are you doing? Are you serious?

I mean, I understand your condition. But you're still fighting. You're talented. You're done, Om.

That's right. That's good. It's okay. You're still fighting. You're beautiful.

It's the same as our wife. Every day we love each other, she asks, do you love me? Validation.

If not, I'll pack it.

Yes, that's right.

But I'm curious. So, the word, break-up, shouldn't be from us, right?

Yes.

As long as you're still awake tomorrow morning, it means you don't even have a break-up option. What if you're forced to live?

Yes, that's right. You don't even have a choice. What if you're forced to live? That's right.

You don't want to do it? You're looking for a way.

I have a friend who's like that. Stress, stress. He wants to kill himself. He even took half a bottle of sleeping pills.

Oh my God.

He woke up fresh the next morning, but I didn't sleep enough.

Right?

But I did want to kill myself once. Really? You wanted to kill yourself?

Yes.

You?

Yes. Don't look at the current process. In what situation? Simple, at that time, the first business. I told this story in Bang Radit's place. The first business.

Was it in the demo?

No, not in the demo. The first event.

It was running, right?

Not yet, before that. During the period. In short, I had saved money. I paid 50 million. The have to pay 50 million. Two months later, the event started. I have a family need.

I spent 48.5 million. Don't laugh at me.

Why is it so right?

Yes, I'm confused too. 48.5 million, the remaining 1 1,5. I still remember. I don't know if my mom rolled it up.

I think so.

1,5 only. I was quite depressed.

Because you have a responsibility.

Not responsibility. I feel like this. Four years I've been looking for money to pay for college. Finally, there's my first step. And I never complained, never blamed my parents. But then, two months later,

my first step, I want to step on it. I'm attracted. To your family. To my family. And that made me feel like, if that's the case, no matter how smart I am, no matter how strong I am, no matter how hard I work, as long as this cycle continues, I can't move forward. That, what makes you not want to kill yourself?

Second, how do you cut that cycle?

Okay. First, I've told this story before in Putkesmanan. I forgot. My view is empty. I live in Manggabesar, near the church. I was praying in the evening, I came to the church. I didn't hear anyone singing, I was confused. I was confused by the prayer. I'm confused with the people praying. I'm confused with the people reciting the Quran.

In my heart, how can I listen to the Quran? I've just spent 1.5 million. I've given up. I chose to give up. When I got home, I was given a small verse. It says, everything you can do,

you can only do it if you give strength to me. It's small, but it's different. When I got home, I sat at home, I cried. I cried and said, Okay, God.

I've used all my energy. I've used all my savings. How are you going to be strong? I think I'm being pranked.

How are you going to...

How am I going to...

If my fate is like this, I'll accept it.

Okay. That's a decision.

It's a decision, but I'll surrender. Okay. But... That's a decision.

It's a decision, but I finally surrender.

Okay.

So, there's a comma. The comma is, but I will never stop trying my best. If your heart is moved one day, you really want to use me to go up, please don't give me the hard part.

That's my prayer.

Okay.

After that prayer, I was so stupid. That day I was still confused. The next morning, I didn't care anymore.

Then?

I just walked. After the event,

How much was the money?

After the event, my income was 250 million.

Wow.

I divided it into two, 125 and 175. It means I was slapped.

Yes.

I was really slapped in front of your face.

Yes.

It's like God said, you had a lot of drama yesterday.

I didn't know the result.

You didn't know. The event was two months away.

I already complained.

You gave up?

I gave up. You gave up? Not complained, I gave up. You gave up? I gave up. You gave up? Not a complaint, I gave up.

You gave up?

I was slapped there. I was like, damn it. That's why I said, if there's growth, it's not me, but God who gave it. From that day, I already...

Okay, that's a beautiful story. But can that synchro rate change? I mean, sorry, I don't want to say your family. But the more you are getting successful, usually...

I understand what you mean. You become a target, a spotlight.

Yes, that's right. Not just your mother. Your mother may not.

Last year, I was eaten by my mother's brother.

That's what I mean.

When was Theo Diary ever cheated?

Once. With whom?

Family.

Because I got married without a father, he's my guardian.

The one who can cheat us is the one who is close to us.

You watch this if you can. So you can quickly change my money.

Is that so?

Can the cycle be stopped?

Well, okay. Now we're talking about realistic piece. One thing we have to accept as middle class people is that our parents are not good at financial calculation. If they're good at calculation...

Not middle class.

If they're good at calculation, they shouldn't be there. There must be an additional wealth because they're being controlled. This first, right? So what I do is, next, because it's a repeat cycle. I've been talking for a long time.

I want to support, but actually what's your need? Mom, can I be honest? Counting, Mom, can I be honest? I counted, I counted, I said, Mom, I want to save this much, I gave this much first, can I survive? I refused. In the end, I passed by that way.

How if for example, I cut it, sorry. Maybe it's easy. Then suddenly next month, your mom and dad need help.

I've done that before.

That's why you've done it before.

I won't give it to them. I've been told that I'm rude and arrogant. If I want to watch it, I'll have to confirm it. I won't. You don't?

No.

Because the price that has to be paid is real. I can't be Santa Claus in the version of Teo. So I choose my priorities clearly. When I have chosen my priorities clearly about that person, I will be responsible. Outside, I don't care what you want to say to me.

I have to build this. And praise God, I was given the opportunity to cash flow. Finally, it's much faster than what I have to get out. That's how I break the cycle.

Then you can help.

Then, yes.

But in the end, you help.

At that time, no.

Because at that time,

if I didn't help yesterday,

you were a drug addict.

Yes, if I didn't help yesterday, I wouldn't be cheated.

Okay, I have a question.

Morality. Okay.

You have 100 million. Yeah. No, 1M.

Okay.

100 million for you.

Okay, okay, okay, amen.

You have 1M. Only 1M left. I'm scared. If I imagine it that small. Oh, okay. Amen. I don't have 1M. I only have 1M.

I'm scared.

If I imagine it like this.

We are...

Just kidding. Just kidding.

I only have 1M. Your condition... I don't want to say smart. Your condition is mature. Okay. Then you're mature. Okay. Then you met me.

Yes.

Okay. Let's say we met not once, but three or four times.

Yes.

Then I said, Bro, my I can handle it." -"Okay."

This is a classic. Go on.

I said, -"I can handle it." -"I need a go-pet." -"Okay." -"The one who talks." -"One person?" -"He's in Corbusier." -"Corbusier?" -"The one who said it. One person. Didi Korbusyar. Korbusyar. I'm the one who said it. And the context is, you know me.

Your money is saved. I need a car. I'll return it next month. I'll give you flowers. 20 percent. Because I really need it.

Okay? I have a car, what do you have? Okay. Which one first?

This is so hard. Indeed. Which one first?

Which one first? You can't get 1M from BTC. Because you said it's not all in, all out.

Yes.

I think I'll take both.

It's over.

I'll answer honestly. I'll gamble 500, why? Because I'm sure I need you to be more generous with me. Because I'm sure you can lift my life. I'll fight. I'll give you 500.

Okay.

That's what I prayed for. I told God I'll give you 100 and I'll give you a kiss. I'm sure there are other people who can be responsible for me, for my brothers and sisters. Even if I take full responsibility, it's not fair.

I often do things like that. Okay. Rather than this, just forget it.

Yes, I forgot it.

Because if not, our would have a long conversation. But this Ponakan knew.

Knew what?

You borrowed me 500 million.

Yeah.

It hurts, right?

Yeah.

How?

Why does it hurt? He already took 100 million. If I don't give it at all, it's logical that he's upset.

But you can lend me 500 million. This person needs to be treated. 500, you give 100.

We give 100, we look at the situation first. Because with the family, we must monitor. There is no situation A or B situation, always, Om. There's always a middle ground.

I can call you,

can you make this, daddybisa.com? Or I can say, do you have a foundation, Om?

Who knows, there's money left.

So, it can be thought of, right?

But definitely, 500 for you, I'll definitely pay it first.

Okay.

I'm interested in betting on it. I have a debt with you. I understand, but I want you to explain.

I will bet on it. Why? Because for me, the relationship with you, and it will be worth more than that one day. At the end of the day. I believe in that.

Okay. Let's change the situation. I need 500 million. Your brother needs 500 million.

It's okay, right? If you talk about my brother, I've already been say it again. I'm not gonna say it again. I'm not gonna say it again. I'm not gonna say it again. I'm not gonna say it again.

I'm not gonna say it again. I'm not gonna say it again. What? Your wife's mother's brother. Wow! Your wife's mother.

Wow, that's crazy. This is my in-law.

He's running a business.

Okay.

Yeah. I'm running a business for you too. You were good at help both of them.

Now, you need 750 million. Which one?

Both of them.

Wow, both of them need 750 million?

Yes.

You can't offer it.

I can't offer it?

You can't offer it, because my business is 1.5M. I want both of them with you. Okay. So, 750 million. Okay, I I want to double it with you. Okay. 50-50. Yeah. So, 750.

Oh, okay. I can. He's also 50-50.

Okay.

I'll do your business first. 750. I'll give him 100. Then I'll talk to you. What month is the cash flow coming in? I'll make a result with you. Because he needs it fast. If it needs fast, I will say frankly, I can't.

Then your in-laws, why are you in business with them?

You're a dog.

No, my in-laws are adults to be able to differentiate that. My wife is even older to be able to differentiate that. So they will never put me in a position like that.

Cheating.

Cheating.

You're using an example. I can't add a clause?

Cheating.

I don't like the answer.

It's hard, I swear. But in business, I will be more rejected than the patient.

In business?

Yes. Because business? Yes.

Because business means... This is not me, right? I mean, brother... Brother, let's just talk about him. Business means you're healthy. In other words, logically you're not in a forest condition.

Logically, you want to create new opportunities. I feel I have more right to reject your additional fortune. Compared to me refusing the sick people.

But it's also an additional income for you, right?

I need it or not.

Wow.

Isn't it cool?

I'm a simple living cost person. Not because I have a lot of money.

Yeah, it makes sense. But if you're sick, it's true...

No matter how sick I am, I'll find a way. Except... The problem is tricky, Om. The middle-class family also has a lot of drama.

That's what I mean.

It's hard to be able to afford it.

That's what I mean.

That's why I budgeted my self-esteem there. At least don't insult me in front of other families.

I've already made I've done that. I mean, in reality, there will be many... No need to be friends, there will be many families like that. When you're successful, everything depends on it. And when you're not helped, it becomes a conversation.

I've said that to you before. My mother's relative are literally 100 million.

And it's a conversation about people, you don't help. It's a family conversation. Wow, TEO is successful, forget about us.

But that's a conversation for everyone, right? There's no need for a case, there's definitely a conversation like that.

Yes.

You can't please say, please everyone. You should give them money. They will talk about it. Because they are in a bad condition.

Don't be like that, bro.

I just give them monthly allowance.

It's already reality of experience. No matter what, when you're not feeling well, people often take it for granted by the people they value above them. I think you're more suitable to talk to my wife.

I'm not sure if I can say this,

but I think I'm more suitable to talk to my wife. I think I'm more suitable to talk to my wife. So, we can... Okay, but you were talking about SQ. If you talk about SQ, your family will be able to give you back, right?

Yes.

They said you're a believer.

Yes.

They said you're a God.

Yes.

It's because I'm a God.

God will teach you to help others.

Because God taught me to be as pure as a dead man and as pure as a snake, right? It's very realistic religion. I mean, a skull like a dead body, a pin like a snake, it's complete.

So, don't be stupid.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay. I agree with you. Like 99% I'm agree with you, like 99% I'm agree with you.

Even though this reality, if we talk about it,

sometimes people are taboo to say things like this. Yes, yes. And sometimes it's a blind spot if you don't really feel it, Om.

Yes, but if it's a family, people will say, but this is your sister, this is your brother.

If it's like that, everyone can put everything. For example, I'm not married yet, I'm getting married. We know each other. I invite you. You can't come. You transfer Angpao. Transfer 2 million. Then I say, why did he transfer 2 million? It's the same. People people just look for it?

If you don't blame, then you can just blame.

Yes.

Yes, it's the same.

It's the same.

It's not fair, for example, I apply for a job at your place. The professional name must have a salary range. Whoever the owner is, even the 10 richest people in Indonesia, they still have a standard salary. But since you're already in Kobushir, I can talk. Oh, crazy, I applied for a job at a place, yesterday I was given a low salary. Maybe it's a company standard.

Yes, it means the brand you make, what you build, what we make, we build, comes with advantages and costs.

Yes, I once said that on a podcast yesterday, I forgot, come with advantages and cost. I'm tired. You have to pay for the meal at the reunion. You came here with the best car, but you don't want to pay the bill.

You're crazy.

You're just being stylish.

You bought it at your own price.

That's right.

You're going to offer me to sell anything to you tomorrow?

Yes.

That's impossible. If you're invited to a wedding tomorrow, will it be a normal wedding?

Yes.

Will it be a 5-star wedding? There will be expectations and standards that people put.

It's tiring.

If you change a little car, the cheaper one will be asked, -"Why did you crash, Dcik?" -"Yes, that's right."

That's right. I experienced that.

Seriously?

Yes, I'm serious. Not now, 10 years ago, maybe 10 years ago. I was going to the mall to buy shoes. Because I need Vantovl shoes. The neat ones, the ones for jazz.

Yes, I understand.

The shoes for jazz. But as you know, expensive shoes are painful. True. It's painful to wear them on the road. Except when you're walking, you can see the red bottom. But it's painful.

So I went to the store. I don't want to mention the brand.

It's a common brand.

It's Indonesian.

Okay, local.

Local. But I know those shoes are comfortable to wear. I was looking for a Vantovol shoes. I was looking for it. And I saw some women on the side. I went in.

I said, Hey, you. I smiled. Why are you here? Why are you here?" -"Why are you here?" -"Are you jobless?" -"Of course." -"That's society." -"I was holding my shoes."

-"Where are you going to buy it?" -"I'm not going to throw it away."

That's what I mean.

Imagine if I'm not working.

For example, I'm not working. That's painful.

And I mean, I think people should learn to assess people from the things they use. It's not modern anymore.

It's hard, right? 90% of Indians have less than 100 million. It means they have an experience that they want to try one day. So they know, oh, it's not there. Everyone has their phase. Change the car, buy a watch. Then the watch will be reduced one by one.

Then change the sport watch. Change the car, change it, change it, change it, until the highest brand, then it's over. It's like this. Is it a phase, Om?

It's the same as...

I don't like to wear expensive watches.

Valid.

Valid. But when you've never eaten it, you said you didn't like it. You're not valid.

Yeah.

There's one thing. Actually, this is a good statement. For me, I pray. Because I'm here, I'm just missing one thing. It's okay, right? Yesterday, we didn't discuss the Riu case, right?

But actually, there are a lot of narratives that started from there. If you're in a difficult position, it means you're not competent. Or you're not capable. Or you're not hardworking. In my opinion, that statement is valid. If you talk to children who are equally sufficient.

Because if they don't succeed, it's their fault. Why? They buy a house, get married, get paid, have a car. They never get in debt.

I told Aska.

Yeah.

I told Aska. I just talked to her today. We were having lunch. I told Aska. I told Aska. I just talked to her today. We were having lunch. I told her. She had a goal

that she wanted to achieve.

I told her, Aska, I called her Ca. Ca, I'll remind you of one thing. You're handsome.

You have a nice body. You're smart. You're a college student.

You're in UI. What's missing? Your dad.

Yeah, I'm sorry about my dad. I want to go to the gym.

I want to eat expensive food.

I can.

All my preferences are there.

If this is what you want, I'll give it to you.

I'm not go to the gym, I want to eat expensive food. I can do it. All my preferences are there. If this is what you're chasing, you won't get it. There's only one thing, you're stupid.

Fair, right? Yeah. So, this is fair enough.

In my opinion, that's it.

Then he looked at me, yeah, I know.

Because of the focus.

Because of the focus, don of the focus, you don't have to think about anything else. That's it. If you don't succeed, you want to get that, you're the one who's stupid.

That's why I agree and it's very valid when it's put in a group of people whose parents are enough.

Done.

Done. Because if you can't, you're stupid, it's over. Right. You're wrong.

Right. You're the one who's wrong. True. But when it's put in a massive room, where many people have no choice, and are pushed.

Yes. Because there are things that need to be thought about first. There are important things.

This is my joke with my friends. When I talk to my friends, I'm like, -"Hey, did you pay your mom's insurance? No, my mom paid it herself. Oh, okay. Did you pay your mom's insurance? No, not even once.

Oh, okay. It means that the person who has his and his mom's insurance, just pay their own insurance, Om. My mom's insurance alone is 30 million a year. My personal insurance is 20 million, it's 50, right? It means, the difference is,

if you pay your parents' insurance, in 5 years, 250 million is more than me. Because wealth is not just earning power, wealth is also hidden cost. Everyone has a different hidden cost. You can't hit it evenly.

I have to chase 250 million with my friend whose insurance is paid. Not yet if the holiday is paid. It's added. Not yet if the electricity bill.

Not yet if the electricity bill. The house too.

Not yet if the marriage is paid. The angpao is for him too.

The angpao is for him. That person is a dog. She's such a bitch. Your life is so good.

Right? That's why I can't. The hidden cost is invisible.

That's the hidden cost.

Hidden cost.

We just talked about insurance.

Just now, I took it on purpose, it's just insurance. Not the other ones. We don't say if they owe us.

Not the vehicle, not the gas.

Yeah. That's it.

Sometimes when life is hard, don't push it anymore. Poor thing. When people's life is hard, you have to pay this and that. And you're told that you're not competent. Oh, poor thing.

You should talk to your friends.

Sometimes life is hard.

But the point is, maybe from this conversation, if people are in trouble, we can't compare them to others. People's conditions are all different. Some are blessed, some may not be. But there are people who are not financially well off, but they have different EQ, SQ. Life is not 1 plus one is two.

So, everyone has their own problems. But what I take from this is that the key is one, never give up. If you're still being raised tomorrow, you won't be given a chance to give up.

Right. So, that's it.

If you want to give up, you have to be raised.

You have to be raised.

Unless he agrees, and the above agrees.

My mom tried to give up three times.

She still woke up.

She still woke up.

She still wants to give up.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Om. I hope it's a blessing.

It is. It's an honor. And thank you for sharing. I think we'll talk again sometime.

If we reach 500 million earlier, I'll bet. It's normal, guys. Looking for opportunities.

We'll talk about that later. We'll talk about that later.

Let's close this. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And close the door. Hey, three thumbs up!