[FULL] Susno Duadji dan Refly Harun Soroti Laporan Abraham Samad soal Ijazah: Tidak Jelas Pelapornya

I, Tifal Solesa, continue the evening compass, former chairman of the Corruption Elimination Commission, Abraham Samad, attended the call of the Polda Metrojaya investigators as a witness reported in the case of false license violation of Jokowi Dodo. When checked in the morning, Abraham claimed that the investigation was suspected of being done by a senior. Or the Abraham Samad Speak Up podcast that once discussed the issue of false license charges against Joko Widodo. Even so, he avoided the fact that his senior has a criminal record

related to the violation of the name of the good, as reported by Cokowi Dodo. Regarding the possibility of becoming a suspect, Abraham insisted that he and his legal team would definitely fight. This is not about me. Because the appeal to appeal is a series of what I have done so far. Through my protest, I have informed and become a forum for discussion

to provide education, enlightenment and constructive criticism so that the people understand their rights and obligations. That's what I do. Therefore, if what I have been doing through the podcast is considered something that has a criminal value, so I was called,

then this is one form of criminalization of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. And the most dangerous thing is that my appeal is a process that wants to narrow the space of democracy. If the law enforcement is blind to the crime, I will fight it. Until the end. The senior lawyer and the leader of the HAM, Todung Mulyalu Bisyang, accompanied Abraham Samad, has insisted that Samad's investigation is criminalized and has bad intentions.

Not only that, in general, Abraham's call has shown that the law is used as a weapon. Jata. It is criminalized. There should be no criminalization in this country, against the media, against the people who have a podcast, against anyone, because it is a violation of freedom of speech. The issue of insult or defamation has been eliminated. Only in an authoritarian country, or have a tendency to be an authoritarian country, the defamation of the good name,

the insult is criminalized. This is the time when the enforcement of law is politicized. This is the time when law is made as a weapon.

This is called weaponization of law.

Then what is the indication of senior or podcast weaponization of law Lalu apa indikasi senior atop podcast Abraham Samad mencemari nama baik atopun fitnah terhadap Jokowi Dodo dan apakah pemeriksaan Samad dalam kasus ijazah Jokowi kali ini berpotensi membungkam suara kritis publik kami diskusikan bersama dengan para narasumber bergabung saat ini ahli hukum Tata Negara Refi Harun juga bergabung bersama kami sekjen peradu bersatu ade the So, what do you think is the problem with Samad's podcast?

It's related to the Ijjanya Jokowi case.

Okay, thank you, Mas. From Kompas News. So, what is it about the report of Mr. Jokowi Dodo, right? Yesterday, he reported an incident. the and also committed the crime of defamation. It means that, then,

he was called Mr. Abraham, according to the law, there is no discrimination here. The police investigated, with the evidence that has been studied, then checked, that there is a suspicion there, we can't avoid it.

Are the words that are wrong from the podcast so that there is a potential for a good name violation there, according to you, Mr. Ade? So this podcast is different from the news, Mr. Tifal In the podcast, I don't see the evidence in full which is a hate speech or slander or defamation But what I know is that in thecasts, YouTube, and videos where there are several groups of people

and there was also Mr. Abraham who gave a speech and so on what I saw was that, and there were podcasts too but I didn't really open up about it because it would be a waste of time to open it up, because it's a waste of time to check it. If I say here that, oh, this is what became the slander and the defamation. But there are many podcasts that also express their own opinions, so it is considered that Mr. Abraham is defaming democracy.

So, democracy is just a matter of time, Mr. Tifal. Not as long as democracy. Yes, not defaming someone. That is the first thing. The second thing is, when we talk about democracy, Mr. Insun Yurjokowi Dodo is a victim.

A victim of hate speech, a victim of slander, a victim of, what is called actions where he is really slandered. In my opinion, he is really slandered. Okay. It means, yes, if you really want to be democratic, be democratic, but don't do what is suspected

of a criminal act. That is, the delivery of that opinion is not tendentious and does not justify people. Not tendentious, not justifying. Now, you, Mr. Bung Refli, who also has a podcast here, with the existence of this kind of case, Mr. Abraham Samad, reported as a witness reported in the investigation today, do you feel uneasy? Yes, this is in general. the we are nurturing our democracy and constitution. That is the most important thing.

So, I imagine, when we talked about the reformation yesterday, we talked about how democracy was strengthened, constitution was strengthened, because we live in an authoritarian country, there is a new order. But it turns out that after a few years,

this kind of thing happened again. Like this, if we talk about the rights of someone's protection, of course people have the right to, for example, if they feel insulted, they complain. But it must be clear where they are insulted and who is being complained about.

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Now it's not clear. When asked about Jokowi, he said, I didn't report those 12 people. That's one. The second case is a combination of Jokowi's complaint as a complaint and a general complaint reported by Adi Darmawan and others. So there are five reports combined into one. Whereas if we want to talk about legal enforcement, if this is a complaint, it has been separated first.

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Imperpihakan itu gak bagus Nah yang kedua tentang podcast podcast ya beda yang It's not good to be biased. Okay. The second one is about podcasts. Podcasts are different. Who said that? From the perspective of the PBI, it's from the perspective of the media,

newspapers, television, etc. Podcasts are like what we're talking about. It's people with opinions, discussing. And there are a lot of podcasts in Indonesia. And you can't be convicted if people with such opinions can't be convicted? There is no such thing.

There is no such thing.

There is no such thing.

Okay. So the new question is, Mr. Adeh, because Mr. Dodong also said earlier, there is an intention, not behind the law, there is a political intention behind this, to hide the opinions of others, in a senior, or in a podcast.

Is that the right direction? The answer will be explained in a moment. We will be right back. According to Mr. Todung in Mapolda, the law is now used as a weapon. There is even a political accusation behind this case.

Is that the right direction?

If I look at the law this is a legal norm. It means that Mr. Joko Widodo has the right to do so, just like the citizens of Indonesia.

The people of Indonesia. The point is, what was reported in the incident Indonesia. The point is, what was reported was then found as evidence on its journey and called a few people to be reported, considered to be reported. Because of this, I need to explain a little first, that there are two reports that are currently in the Jaya Metropolitan the the 30, 31, 32, 45A flood report from the Joko Widodo Institute that reported it.

So, if this report is called a legal normative, there is no political tendency at all. Those who politicize can be people who are called by inviting all elements, many people as a young or a young people in the banking and then we got some more

soon and then we got some more

soon and then we got some the the OK a Yes, once again, I got the call letter several times and the call letter combined all the crimes.

So, the report from Mr. Jokowi, the report from Mr. Ade, and others, it was combined into one and then it was said that you were called as a witness in the trial of the crimes, etc. which was reported by the 12 people. That's why I said, if we talk about professionalism in law enforcement, which one is actually being processed?

If we talk about the rights of Jokowi, we appreciate his rights. His rights are to argue and feel insulted in his good name. Then he used article 310, 311 of the KUHP, and then article 27A of the ITE Law which is related to insulting in good name using electronic documents. That's all. It's done, right? It should be a fight. a young or is there another meaning outside the law? Even article 32, article 35 which threatens the 12 years of punishment.

And it's unclear where the locus delicti is, where the tempus delicti is, what the matter of violation is, then what the matter of violation is, why it's combined into one, as if this police is a supermarket, Okay, um, policy in the Supermarket, he's a Kira-kira But on analysis, then listen to all parties, do treatment to the court and others, but don't let the impression then

all taken suddenly unclear, okay, Mr. Ade, please. whether to be interviewed or not. So, Mr. Refli, so if I analogize, I don't

defend or anything about the arrest of the police. The police are given the authority by the state. Let's take the example of a robbery that happened, for example a motorcycle. In front of my house, I don't know who took it.

But,

in reality, the incident happened. There was a loss, there was a loss from me, so I felt, this thing is gone.

But I don't know who did it. When I reported it to the police, should I mention his name? Maybe my neighbor? That's not right, Bang Rai. So, here's the thing.

Bro, bro. I'll correct myself. The incident is different if you're being slandered or defamed. If you're being stolen, we don't know who the thief is. But if you're being defamed the I'm not talking about my own business. Okay. I think Mr. Susno is about to talk.

Please, Mr. Susno.

This is a good explanation. So, this case is different from theft. If it's theft, even if the police didn't report it, it still has to be done. Because it's not a crime.

Including, ordinary people, like me, because there's no police now, the there is someone who is falsely accused, I can't report it the one who reported it felt guilty who knows and the report must be complete because this is a delinquent when, where, what is the sound of the accusation like

then he collects evidence to be evaluated by the police so don't let the police investigators look for this podcast that is falsely accused there is another podcast that is falsely accused so that the police investigators can find out the source of the noise and if there's any other source of noise, then they can't say that there's a conversation in the WA group about noise pollution so the difference is the complaint and not the complaint

okay, so in short, if we read the case of Sugi Nur, Sugi Nur has filed a criminal complaint, the case of the violation of the name of Baik Jokowi, and was finally pardoned by President Prabowo Subianto will that be a consideration for the investigators to continue this case or not? that's very good, because the object is false justice

well, prove first if the object is false or not if the object is really false it's not fraud of the name of Baik, it's making the news that the ID is really fake, it's not a good name, it's a fake ID. But if the ID is real, it's a fake ID, then it's a good name.

Okay, we've caught the point there. Mr. Susto, Mr. Ade, Mrs. Refli, thank you for discussing with us this time. Good afternoon, everyone. Good afternoon, everyone.

Thank you.