REACTION: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce – The Life Of A Showgirl ❤️‍🔥

you My mic was muted.

My mic was muted, but fear not, I'm here. Here we are. Here the fuck we are. Here the fuck we are. Who's excited? I'm excited. I'm scared.

I have seen so many things happen. I don't know what's gonna happen to me. You know, it is 7 a.m. We have seven minutes until something crazy happens. And you know what? At this point, I give it up to God. It's none a.m. We have seven minutes until something crazy happens. And you know what? At this point, I give it up to God.

It's none of my business. Actually, it is completely my business. This has everything to do with me. And I like that about myself. So let's just put this on my story so everybody knows where to go.

So what I think I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go to the Taylor Swift store at 7, digest that information, and then we can get into like the new height stuff because I don't think that I can sit through Jason Kelsey screaming before I get to know what the fuck is going on on this stupid store. Okay? This store, whatever nonsense she's up to is absolutely sending me. Also, I'm really gonna try and not look at the chat

that much until I can see what's on the website because leaks have been abound in my spaces and everybody just hates me and wants me to die, apparently. Everybody just thinks that I deserve nothing of joy or good in this world. Okay, let me share this.

Boomerologist strikes again, honestly. Boomerologist is always working late or working early because he's a streamer. I haven't streamed in a long time and there's a good reason for that. I get a little unhinged on stream.

So if this is my, if you're're first stream of mine welcome welcome okay I'm live how does this girls I'm my hands are shaking I'm so nervous I'm live come hang I'm working late. Okay, let's see It's happening so soon, how are we feeling I'm scared. So here's what I know I know that weird random doors are appearing on the website. I know that they're in the shape of the eras tour Keyhole, I was just clowning on someone for saying eras tour over in my tic-toc comments last night I'm gonna have to eat my fucking words just clowning on someone for saying Eras tore over in my TikTok comments last night.

I'm gonna have to eat my fucking words. Might have to eat my fucking words. So we're gonna watch, we're gonna go through the store, digest that, and then click over to New Heights, okay? That's the fucking plan. And we are in a new era of Taylor Swift,

the life of a showgirl. I'm so excited. So is it gonna be a Vegas residency? I mean her doing something at the Sphere I think would be really cool and Life of a Showgirl lends itself very well to a Vegas residency. Madeline seems to think that the theory, her theory about the album is that the album is about eras. I could see that being such a cool concept like writing about the different eras of her being a showgirl

That's a really exciting thing. I just realized my AC is off Do I want to turn that on? Yeah, I do. Okay, please hold Okay, we have five minutes left and you know, girls, this is the last five minutes of normalcy. Just remember that about yourselves. Remember that it's normal now, but it will never be normal again. And you may never have a good moment.

You may never experience joy or happiness again. And that's not my problem. Okay? That has nothing to do with me if today's announcement makes you frown sorry I DGAF but I do GAF about what's gonna happen I really do I'm really I'm GAFing hard so here we go the life of a Swiftologist, Swiftologist mentioned. Swiftologist mentioned.

Do you guys like my little new stream that I made on Canva? I'm a Canva king, I have to tell you. I be Canva-ing. I be Canva-ing. Actually, let me solicit you guys an idea on something. Don't start with Baldologist in the chat. Don't start with Baldologist in the chat. Don't start with baldologist in the chat.

Don't start with me. I'll log off so fast. I'll log off so fast. You hear me? It's not a joke. I'm turning up my mic, apparently it was too low.

Is this better? Is this better? Is it louder? Full head of hairologist, yes, exactly. Thank you, thank you. Gorgeous locks of hair.

Beautiful mane of hairologist. Not, not baldologist. Okay, I, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes. I don't know what I'm gonna do with this information. Okay, so here's my plan.

Do you guys think that I should, me losing my train of thought in the middle of it because I'm getting too excited. Do you think that I should, after this stream, cut up like a 20 minute clip of me reacting to the album and upload that immediately?

Maybe, right? Maybe I should do that. Then, on the other hand, we're gonna have a podcast episode coming out in 12 hours. So it's like, is it worth it? The live will stay up if I can.

Do, do, do, do, do, do.

Okay, should we switch over to the Taylor store?

Not this, not this.

We don't need this right now. Why are we stuck on this?

Hello? Okay, we need to delete this. One moment please, Boomerologist is working hard. Or is he hardly working?

Ah!

I'm working late. Hello? My mic is weird. My mic? What's wrong with my mic? Oh we can't be doing this. Okay, this should be fine, right? Someone say it's fine. Someone say it's fine! Okay, girls. Oh my god! Everything's about to change and you know what? I have to say someone tried to spoil the fucking album cover for me And if that's what the album cover is, I'm gonna be really fucking pissed

So it better not be that it better not be that you hear me Okay, well everybody stay calm I Can't It's not staying calm is none of my business. It's not my reality. Oh my god. Oh my god 30 seconds. Okay here we go. Oh I don't know what to do. It's like I well I don't do anything I just sit here but oh okay girls. Oh my god a new era is upon us. Okay 10, 9, mmm. Okay we're ascending into heaven.

Oh my god. Why does it say password? Okay now what? Now what? Now what? Now what? Now what? Oh my God, wait, this wasn't the cover that I saw.

Oh my God, I didn't get the cover spoiled. It was AI. It was AI. Oh my God. Oh my God. The life of a show girl.

Limited edition releases. What the fuck is this?

What the fuck?

Oh, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. What is this? A disc with a collectible disc art insert.

12 tracks, 12 tracks. 12 tracks mentioned. Oh my God, bulletproof Max Martin. Actually romantic song title engraved on the front. Actually romantic? No.

What?

Incense that.

Oh my God, we have a track list. We have a track list. We have a track list. We have a track list. Oh my God, this cover is a God. This cover is a gag. This cover is a gag.

This cover is a gag. This cover is a gag. I'm gagged. Oh my God. Wait, wait. What is she lying on?

This is fucking crazy. It's bejeweled, but oh my God, wait. This looks exactly like one of the concepts that I came up with for Torture Poets. First of all, mug, mug, face, beat, hair to the water, face to the gods. Okay, we need to see the back though, because I really need to see this goddamn fucking track list.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. The fate of Ophelia. No, no, not the drowning girl. Elizabeth Taylor, Burton to this Taylor,

opalite father figure, eldest daughter, ruin the friendship. I think that's a Demi Lovato song. Actually romantic, wishlist with Kesha dollar signs, wood, canceled, honey, and the life of a showgirl featuring Sabrina Carpenter.

Oh my God, oh my God, oh my. She looks cunt as fuck on the back of this album. So I think, is it a concept album? That's really what it's, it's all signs are pointing towards that. I'm like choking, I can't breathe.

Oh my God! Oh my God. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Stay calm. Stay calm.

Everybody relax. Chill out. Everyone, let's all... Okay. Has she posted yet? Has she posted yet?

This wasn't the leak that I saw and I am so fucking grateful for that. Whoa. The font looks a lot better in the context of the record. And I love the orange glitter. This is everything to me. This is everything to me. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. OK, wait, let me go on Instagram, if she said anything about this. The track list is, that's none of my business, okay? I don't think I can really deal with that. And baby, that's show business for you. New album, Life of a Showgirl, album producers, Taylor Swift, Max Martin, and Shellback.

Holy fucking shit. Oh my God, there's more. Oh my God! Wait, oh my God. Oh, no, this isn't real. It's giving elevated show girl.

It's Jesus was seen.

Jesus was seen.

Send it to me, Rachel. Oh my God. This is the photo that I saw. This is the blurred out photo that I saw that people were like, yeah, yeah, album cover. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh, what am I gonna do? What wig am I gonna wear? Who? Who the fuck was that guy? Oh my God.

Okay, we need to do track list analyzations at a different time because I presume. October 3rd, October 3rd, I cheered, I cheered. Oh my God, you guys don't know how much I prayed for October 3rd. October 10th, I'm supposed to be in India

for my best friend in the whole world's wedding. And I was thinking that I would have to cancel it and not be able to go and now here I am. I'll be in my studio. I'll be in Singapore. I'm not going to be in Ireland. I'm not going to be in London.

This is the best possible release date I could have had. Okay. I'm cheering. I'm cheering. I'm cheering. I'm cheering. I'm cheering. I'm cheering.

Oh my God. Oh my... Have I said anything else? Max Martin, Johann Schellbach, Jesus Christ. Jesus was seen. Jesus was seen. I saw him.

Err, err, err.

Okay, is it time to go watch New Heights now? Holy shit. Holy shit. This track list is fucking crazy. This track list is crazy. 12 songs?

Canceled?

Oh my god, that's gonna be my anthem, guys. That's gonna be the sequel to Karma, and it's my anthem. It says, scroll on the website. There's a letter? What do you mean there's a letter? Scroll on the website. Where? Where? Where's the letter? Where's the letter?

Send it to me, Rachel. Where's the letter? Where's the letter? Where's the letter? Give me. Oh! Where's the letter? Where's the letter? Where's the letter? Give me! My letter! My letter! This is always a threat. Oh wait, no, this is the letter. Hello? Hello?

Where's the letter?

This is cool.

I don't see a letter. Are you guys lying to me?

Oh, there's a song called My Letter?

No, there isn't. You guys are just making shit up. Making shit up. Okay, okay. So the thing about that is, is that it's the gag of the century, it's the gag of the universe, okay?

This is everything to me, okay? What no one understands it's the gag of the century, it's the gag of the universe, okay? It, this is everything to me, okay? What no one understands is that the Life of the Showgirl is the greatest title ever made for a Taylor Swift album. First of all, let's start there. Number one, greatest title ever made. Number two, that cover is iconic.

I love it. It's everything I wanted it to be. really are really giving me something okay like that is really a very I mean the fact that she's in the water in the album cover hmm hmm yep it's about romance girls so I don't think it's gonna be lover 2.0. This really seems to me like a concept album. That's kind of what I'm getting from it.

But I guess we need to just go and watch New Heights. What is the letter? You're saying read the letter. What letter are you talking about? I didn't see fucking letter. Where's the letter?

What letter is this? Let me go into the discord and see. I just see my letter, but that's, isn't that the letter of the last time? What's different about this new letter? All I can see is the carrot, the carrot, the ears toward blah, blah, blah. Is there another letter? There is no letter. Okay. Stop lying to me. Stop lying to me. We need to go watch New Heights now. Now I have to have Jason Kelsey scream at me.

Okay? I wasn't planning on doing that. And yeah, oh it's a premiere! Okay, so I'm gonna start it from the beginning. Ooh, apparently my headphones aren't connected. We need to fix that. Please hold everyone.

My headphones, please connect. Now we're gonna lock in. Okay, we're gonna lock into new heights. Who's ready for it? No one? Me either.

I'm not ready, you're not ready, we're not ready. Woo! Okay. I'm just queuing it up. Don't worry. You know what, I'm gonna skip his intro

because we watched it before and I don't want to see it again. OK, ready? We're going in. There's another countdown. What the fuck?

I'm so confused.

Huh?

OK, we're just getting we're going

in because I let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about. Do I get to say

it? Do I say is it loud? I get to say the two words. Yes. First

of all, you can do whatever you want to. I don't want to get out of view. This is very much what I want to work within

the framework of the podcast. my fan of the podcast.

Typically, yeah, allow the guests to say new news.

Yeah.

Yeah, I want to do it.

I think Taylor has a little bit of new new.

That's my mom back to new heights.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls 92 percenters.

We missed you. This is a very special episode of new heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 92 percenters. We missed you. This is a very special episode of new heights. A one three show. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey is my big brother. Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio university of Cincinnati grad.

Since he went.

Wait, I don't want that.

No, let's go bear. Cats.

Let's go baby.

Subscribe on YouTube, One Tree Plus, wherever you get your podcasts. And follow us on social media, at New Heights Show with one.

Here she is.

This is a special preseason episode that

the boys are too loud.

Decided to bring it to you a little early. So let's not waste any of their time, Jason.

Let's get right to it. going to get bigger because copyright songwriter, producer and director from my God, the screaming, that's bullshit.

She is from Pennsylvania.

OK, the podcast is super loud and I'm soft. We're going to fix this. Don't worry. Don't you worry. You're pretty little mind. OK, New Heights is needs to go down, down, down, down, down, down. OK. They're too quiet now. OK, well. The boys.

How's this? This is good.

Stop yelling at me. I'm skipping of the year. This is good. Times last December. She wrapped up the era. So stop yelling at me.

I'm skipping to the yelling.

All right.

And as a fan of that guy on the Chiefs, she has 19 wins, two AFC titles and a Super Bowl. Are you ready for it? Maybe you're not. Can you stop yelling at me? It gets into history of shows. Taylor. I'm not impressed.

My God.

I've seen this before.

Look, his soul has left his body.

That was so good.

Thank you.

I tried to thank you for screaming for like 47 seconds.

Come on.

Not you, Taylor. I'm shaking. No, you did a great job. That was so nice. I'm shaking right now. Not you, Taylor.

I'm shaking, Taylor.

No, you did a great job.

Take a deep breath, big guy.

Did I get everything? How much more could we have put in that? Like, I felt like that was-

That was such an amazing intro. And also just like, thanks for wearing the merch. That goes a long way. Just like, immediately makes me feel comfortable just looking deeply into my own eyes. Okay. All right.

Me too.

That's what I was going for.

It's a good t-shirt.

I like it.

Well, thanks for having me. This is my first podcast.

It's one of the best ones.

You're right, Travis.

This is amazing.

Thank you for coming on.

What took you so long to jump on podcast?

You know what? I'm a big fan of the show. You're a 92%-er. What are your favorite segments that you hear Travis and I go into on a maternity basis?

I like new news just because of the screaming. Like I hear him screaming new news from across the house constantly. It's like my favorite part.

They're real people.

He'll be like, new news, new news. And I'm in the kitchen being like, new news. She's so normal. So I love that because of just the bellowing of it. Like I love-

But I don't care about this.

That's a banger.

I really like it when you give people advice. It's my, it's kind of my personal favorite.

Do you usually agree with the advice or do you just like listening to it?

Why are you in a basement?

I mean, I think is just like, just like, I don't need that don't want drama. Do you dudes who are trying to avoid the mess? Me? But sometimes you're gonna like do a bit and say the messiest thing that they could do, which is funny, too.

So we're gonna ask the question everybody watching the show is currently asking, why are you coming on the show? So many better things to do with your time. We're wondering. This podcast has done a lot for me.

I owe a lot to this podcast. This podcast got me a boyfriend.

So true.

Ever since Travis decided to use it as his personal dating app about two years ago.

She gags me.

Hey.

Were his friendship bracelets that good?

Funniest person in the world.

Did you give the friendship bracelets or was that just on the podcast? We need to know this. I've never seen the original. Dianne Sleer. Yeah, they didn't leave the stadium

because I was butthurt, Jason.

He was, he threw a tantrum. He threw a man tantrum. Jason is kind of doing Dianne Sleer.

My plan is ruined.

She loves me, she loves me not, she loves me, she loves me not.

This is so wild. the tapestries are gonna be so weird about this. wild romantic gesture to just be like

i don't want to date you like on

i don't know it was at first when i looked at it i was like

oh my god what happened my fucking airpods switched to my

fucking oh my god this is so annoying

that's what it does when you're on the stage and you perform in Arrowhead. That's what it did.

This dude didn't get a meet and greet. He's making it everyone's problem.

That's what I thought at first.

Well, no one got a meet and greet.

You go to Arrowhead, I get to meet you. That's the perk of playing for the Chiefs.

You realize he didn't even reach out to be like in the tents or he was in the building. He came with Pat and he thought that cause he knows the elevator lady

that he could talk to her about just getting down to my work. Oh my God.

But yeah, but, but yeah, he really just was like, I know a guy, I can figure this out. But, um, I actually, when I thought about it, I but yeah, he really just was like I know a guy I can figure this out But I'm actually when I thought about it. I was like actually just talking age where Like I'm not a very I'm not an online person at all I'm not like on social media like that and like I'm genuinely terrified to open my DMS. Well, you see that makes sense This is like it's just like yes

Smoke coming out of my DMS. I don't know what you want somebody to go through. And I'll tell you what's in there.

I'll laugh my ass off.

It's like, if you have like 20 million unread DMs, you're just like, um, so this kind of felt more like I was in an eighties John Hughes movie and he was just like standing outside of my window with a boom friendship, but I said, do you want to date me? Just go outside and meet me.

He completely understands.

I was like, if this guy isn't crazy.

Gag, it's true. To come back where you stood. I wish you would. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Muted. Who's muted?

Me?

Hold on. Who's muted? The podcast audio is muted. The podcast audio is muted. The podcast audio is muted. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't worry. I think I know what I did.

I think I know what I did. I have to go back because we need to play that part. Just a big if.

This is sort of what I've been writing songs about wanting to happen to me since I was a teenager.

And I was sitting there at the air show.

Just stand back where you stood. I wish you would.

Exactly.

That's what I wanted to say.

I feel that that's a, that's a, she's like, this is just her wishlist of like,

meet me please now.

I'm butthurt.

Yeah.

I'm upset that you didn't meet me, even though you didn't know I wanted to meet you because I didn't do any proper logistical planning.

I'm crying! Typical Kelsey.

Typical Kelsey. It was wild.

It was wild, but it worked.

Are they holding hands? I'm glad it worked. I'm just circling back to New Heights to say thank you for this.

Oh Joe Allen, you're nothing.

Look at this.

Nothing!

So yeah.

Nothing! Nothing. Thank you to New Heights, all the editing. Jake, thank you for putting that on social media and letting it do its course.

How did you know he wasn't crazy? Cause that's the other side of that, right? Like a guy goes up there and professes his love for you. It's either one. It's like, this could be the most romantic thing in the world. It can also be like, he is crazy, but there's a, there's a right crazy.

Yeah. But there's a right crazy. Yeah, he's the good kind of crazy. And I knew that he wasn't crazy the first couple of times that we talked. I was just like, he's truly getting to know me in a way that's very natural, very pure, very normal. Also, just the way that he could make me laugh so immediately about normal things. Travis is like, he's just a vibe booster

in everyone's life that he's in. He's like a human exclamation point.

Oh my gosh.

You know, he's like, when you take a picture on your phone and you put the like, you push the enhance color button. That's like what you do to everyone's life. I just I'm always so I use so many more exclamation points now But I think it was just like he does see also we have to so non-judgmental about people and you were not That I knew nothing about the world you were in

Okay After house for a second They kept trying to clock me when I said, Taylor knows fucking nothing about football when she showed up to that first game. They were all like, Adwell, ask me.

She is from Pennsylvania and she is really smart and it's really misogynistic to say that Taylor doesn't know anything about football. Do you hear? She's saying I didn't fucking know anything about it, I had to learn it all for you. There you go. There you go. I was right as usual. My fans are like, are you kidding me?

Jason, on our first date, I legitimately asked him what it was like when the Chiefs played the Eagles in the Super Bowl and he looked across the field, across the line of scrimmage and saw his brother standing on the other, like five feet in front of him on the field. I would ask that too. And he was like, he was and he didn't even, he didn't even look at me. Like I now know what an insane question that was. He was like, actually, I'm on the offense and my brother's on the

offense and I'm only on the field at the same time as defense. I thought everyone was on the ground.

So did I.

Queen!

I thought that the cornerback how it doesn't call to her. She doesn't care.

I'm growing up. So I understand if you hadn't like, no, you don't understand.

I thought it was like Jared Goff is here and Josh Allen's here.

Who are these people?

They're going to be like no more football. Talk show girl and then they show girl. They go at each other and they're like, who's going to win?

That's actually she she looks so pretty.

I would love to see Jared Goff play some defense.

Let's see Jared Goff on defense.

I've got some ideas. I've got some thoughts. Yeah. I didn't know what a first down was. I didn't know what the chains were. I didn't know what a tight end was.

I am forever thankful for you diving into the football world.

Wholehearted. Oh my God, I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it. I became like a person running through the halls of my house screaming,

we drafted Xavier Worthy.

And my friends are like,

it's okay to just say, I love football because I love my boyfriend. What do you mean?

We drafted Xavier Worthy.

I forget where I was,

but you were the first person to tell me that we drafted the fastest man in the draft.

No, I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was freaking out.

I couldn't believe it either. I'm like, wait, is she right? I got to look this up. I'm like, did she get the wrong information here? But yeah, we traded up.

Yeah, we're talking about cover two. It's the We're So Normal show. We're learning. I continue to learn. I don't want normal. Yeah, I'm not ready to be an analyst right now. But give me 16 months.

I'm telling you, I thought you would ask some of the best questions when we were up in the booth. And there's like your she did this desire to learn more, but your genuine

excitement around it as well as like your competitiveness. She's not fucking around. Nope.

Tay's not fucking around.

Oh my god.

She's not fucking around.

Tay. Reclaiming masters, you wanna tee this up?

Yeah, let's tee it up.

Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yes please, yes please.

Spare masters.

Taylor reclaiming her masters. Her recording of her first six albums finally became hers. And you haven't really talked about it. You made that beautiful post on all your social channels. Thank you everyone.

Oh my God.

Oh my God. Everything. But why don't you tell tell the 92 percenters how it really felt?

Oh my God.

So to catch anyone up who doesn't know about this saga, like I signed a record deal when I was 15. And I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's called their master recordings. Owning your master recordings means that you have complete control and power over distribution, licensing,

and essentially the way your legacy is shaped. It's a huge thing. It's always been a huge thing for me. Since I was a teenager, I've been actively saving up money to buy my music back and to ever own it in the first place. Since she was a teenager, I've been actively saving up money to buy my music back and to ever own it in the first place. Because it's usually the label that owns it. But I've always wanted this to happen.

So it's been sold. My music has been sold a few times. The first time that it was sold, it really ripped my heart out of my chest. And I told everybody exactly how that felt for me and what I was going through and I started basically defiantly re-recording my music because I wanted to own it and this was the only way I thought it was ever going to happen.

I knew she had a bad kid and she's got a little bit of a bad kid.

It's not a bad kid. That's a savvy kid.

Both of you. I've been defying the queen is speaking. Silence.

you know, that was the closest I ever thought I would get to owning my music. And so we read recording my music. It was so exciting to get to have that opportunity. But there was still like, I thought about not owning my music every day. It was something that I never was, it's like an intrusive thought that I had every day. And so we do the Aeros tour. After the Aeros tour, we decided this might be a good time to approach the current owners of it. I was like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.

I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do though, was I wanted to buy my music outright. I don't want to be in a partnership. I don't want to own 30% of it.

I want it. I want to own all of it, but it was a long shot to think that they would do that. That they would sell that, that asset to me. It's a huge decision for them to make, to sell that to anyone, including me. I decided that rather than this be like a. A business conversation. I I'm in the business of human emotion.

I yes, you are other.

Yes.

Lead heart first in something like this, because for me, this is not, Oh, I want to, I want to own this asset because if it's returns, because if it's, you know, because of the dividends that I will receive over the years, this was, I want it because this is my handwritten diary entries from my whole life. These are the songs I wrote about every phase of my life. This is my photography, my music videos, my most of which I funded, you know, my artwork, everything that I've ever done is in this catalog.

And so rather than send lawyers or management, like in a big crew,

I don't ever really talk about it because it's, um,

they sat with, um, This happens, I don't ever really talk about it because it's With with shamrock capital and they told them What this meant for me like this is they told them the whole story of all the times We've tried to buy it all the times. It's fallen through all the times. We had gotten plans together and figured out Something we thought was gonna work and it didn't at the last minute and so like my mom my mom calls me afterwards. She's like, look, you know, they were wonderful. They they heard us out. We have no idea which way they're going to go with this. And so I was like, I get it. I get it. I haven't gotten my hopes up about this in a decade.

Stop. And so it was a couple months after the Super Bowl. We're in Kansas City. And I get a call from my mom. And she's like, she's like, you got your music. And so sorry that this is, it's literally been so long since this happened. It's every time I talk about it.

Um, she was like, you got, you got your music. And I just like very dramatically hit the floor for real. Like honestly, just started bawling my eyes out and I'm just like, just, just weeping and kind of like unable. I was just like, really was like, I was like, just weeping and kind of

like unable, I was like, really? Really? Really? What do you mean?

What do you mean?

Get yourself together, get your shit together, just go tell Travis in a normal way. And I knock on the door, he's

playing video games, and I'm

trying to say it in a normal

way, and I'm just like, what just happened? And he's like, and I think he thought something was wrong. And you come up and I'm just like, and then just start absolutely seething. Just dead.

Right? Just dead weight. All control had no power in my

life. And how many people? Yeah, this changed my life to support myself. Oh my God. And, um. How many people wait tonight? Yeah, this changed my life. I can't believe it still. Every time I think about it, it's like, I have to tell the short version to everyone because it is still like,

this will affect the rest of my life. I think about this every day now, but instead of it being like an intrusive thought that hurts me it's I can't believe this happened like how lucky am I how grateful am I I'm so grateful to like the artists that helped me with my rerecords because when I did my rerecords I started doing those in 2021 and a lot of like most of the industry trades were like this is a bad idea this is

her sort of derailing her career in a way nobody's interested in you doing the same trying hard not to make slump because I'm live. Why am I crying?

What do you mean?

Somebody knew, though.

This is like my whole life. Keith Urban, Maren Morris, Chris Stapleton, you know, Hayley Williams from Paramore, Fall Out Boy, like all these absolutely incredible artists that, like, shape who I am as an artist. And, um, and they, like, agreed to be a part of the re-records. And I, like, you know, I... One of the only people I told before this happened

was, like, I called Phoebe Bridgers, and I was just like

And she's like I think you just did you just say what I think you said

And so this has just been like it was just I'm so grateful for it. It's

It's just unbelievable and I was so happy you were there when that happened. I mean I was

Yeah, I mean I started crying too, you know, you were weeping. I was I'm just I was, I mean, I started crying too. You know, I'm a cry. You were weeping.

I was just so happy for you because I've seen

We're all weeping.

I've seen how you make music. I've seen how you make these videos, seen the effort and the focus and the strategy behind what just one album in Torture Poets Department and in Fortnite. And I was blown away that you had been doing this your entire life. And for your first six albums, you weren't given the rights to all of that.

And I know what that looked like and I know how much it burns you that you didn't have that and you didn't have your creation. And I just, I think doing it the right way, creating the fan base that you did the right way, and leading your life in a direction that you were eventually going to get it back

some way because of you always doing things with the right intentions.

So. Thanks.

Don't talk about it anymore, I can't hear it.

I guess, how does music owners, this is so crazy to me. So you wrote these songs, you sang these songs, you put everything into them and don't get me wrong, there's publishing companies, people that support artists out there. But how does ownership of music even work?

Like when you recorded these songs when you were 16, right?

Is that like,

you're the singer. Can you dumb it down to us, 95%? The singer gets a certain portion. The, the, uh, the artist gets us or the songwriter gets a certain portion and then the publishing company gets a certain portion.

Okay.

So this is, that's a great question. And there's two main categories that we're talking about here. So master recordings is the actual recording.

Yes.

It's the actual vocal. Band production, mixing, mastering that actual thing. Yes. It's the actual vocal band production, mixing, mastering that actual thing. Yes. Um, mine, mine also included my album artwork, my music videos, um, everything that went along with any era of does that mean there's more stuff coming? So then there's also then there's another category, which is publishing. I own my publishing, which is why, you know, I have control over, you know, if my song is used in a film, I,

and I, and I wanted them to use Taylor's version, instead of the original version, I, the songwriter can decide that. Got it. Okay. You know, and so it's like, I basically, I've always been very lucky because my publishing was protected. A lot of artists have, have their publishing sold away from them or they sell their publishing. And I, you know, and a lot of artists, it may not be important to them. It was always important for me. The publishing aspect of it has always been something I've had firmly in place,

which is great because my songwriting is the core of, of why I'm doing this, what I'm doing, what I'm like, I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this.

I'm not going to do this.

I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going's true. The master recordings side of things. Now this is a discussion that was not really brought up amongst the artist communities, especially not with fans. This was all kind of industry centric and kind of boring contract stuff that like fans were not speaking about. And so one thing that I think is really great that has come about because of this is that I have so many new artists come up to me now and say, Hey, I didn't even know Rodrigo.

And when I went to go and negotiate for my record deal, I negotiated to have my masters revert back to me after a certain amount of years or that I own them outright. And it's not for everyone. I negotiated to have my masters revert back to me after a certain amount of years or that I own them outright and It's not for everyone. Not everyone cares about this artist to artist artists have different priorities Some artists sell off all their masters. She's so smart allowed to have their own priorities What I want to know is that if I were to put the information out about what I went through at least it gets artists talking about this

Yeah to decide whether this is a priority for them because you can't know Kill yourself unless you know what has come before you and what has happened And and so the master recordings thing That's your actual ownership of your recordings to put it in perspective if I never would have been able to buy back my music one day someone else would be leaving all of my music from my first six albums to their kids in their will.

Right.

This is the anti-hero nightmare.

And you think about it like that. It's like, I thought of it, I made it, I recorded it, I paid for most of those music videos. You know, I wanted an opportunity to buy that back. And that was important to me. You feel like they're yours.

They should be yours.

Yeah, exactly.

Do you think it was easier for you to do one because you're, I mean, just you talking about this, you're so aware of the business side of this and the legal ramifications, like you're more aware than I think probably most artists are, but being a song it's crazy. Yes, exactly. Travis, smartest woman in the world.

I love you, Travis.

Mount Kitty, but respectfully, the singer owning no publishing rights, being able to rerecord songs that gave you leverage and able to make this move, right?

Yes.

Yeah. Yes. So that was it. And also, uh, you know, in my contract, they didn't put a clause in that said I couldn't rerecord because nobody was doing it.

See how that works. Scooter Braun, Scott Borschetta, you will never know.

Also, like rats would be that stuff.

I like who would be would be that petty.

It's bad ass get over here.

They would record every single thing. So bad over and over again.

What was your favorite one? Not just that, hold on, but not just that. Who has a fan base that's gonna listen

to the same album twice in a row?

It's a good point, Jason. It's a good point.

Like, honestly, you and this is really interesting.

Even when I hate it, I'm still streaming.

You have this diehard community that you already built. That's the thing, the fans. You sold a story the second time you released this album, right? And the fans got behind that narrative. And they're like, screw the first album. We're rolling with the re-recorded album because we're supporting New York.

They were like, we ride at dawn. Like, and it was amazing because they're the reason why the re-records worked out. They're the reason I was able to purchase my music back because they came to the heirs tour and Basically, they're the reason why any of this worked out and I also want to know

I'm missing the we the fans other people who are like we ride at dawn my my live band They play Paul's a Dodi mentioned. It's like you want to know Why they sound so perfect on the heirs tour they played they why they sound so perfect I'm like, I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed.

I'm so impressed.

I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed. convincingly because there, there are, there are actually some, there's the for the Taylor's versions on, I kind of prefer a lot of that stuff. I think it sounds incredible, but I'm happy to have all of it.

What?

That leaves prefer.

Okay.

Taste.

You own all K list. T a Y recordings.

You have the original recordings. What should we listen to? Like, what do I do? I run? Oh, no, this is a controversial question.

It's really whatever you guys want.

Okay.

Period. Thank God. I would not have put out the re-records if I didn't think that they held up or were better. I think a lot of the vocals I did on the re-record.

Now, okay. Revisionist historian. Okay. Style? Better?

They're better than the originals. Okay. But it's like if you found a nostalgia in the originals and that was what you were listening

to when you were 12 years old, bopping around in your bedroom, go crazy.

Yeah.

We got a life.

It's not a joke.

I'm gonna start doing comparisons. That's what I gotta do.

I just gotta start doing comparisons. Yeah.

You're gonna listen to every beat.

Yeah. It's not mandatory, Jason. You laugh, but we do. I'll say this. There's a few good playlists out there that have a mixture of them all.

You've been streaming?

Yes.

Thank you.

I've been streaming for about two years now.

Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you so much. That's why we got that spike in the 35-year-old male demographic.

Yes, that 1.7 billion, that was at least 1 billion. We have one IP address from one iPhone that continually is listening to this.

Do you have a favorite album that you re-recorded that...

Oh my God, wait, Jason! Jason, Diane, Sawyer!

...that you liked recording more, re-recording?

I really liked them all, but I think Red was very special. There were songs that I called from the vault songs, and there was one which I think is maybe my favorite song I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do that. I made the glorious, fortuitous mistake of saying that

to my fans in an interview.

You know what those words mean.

You're so handsome.

So basically I said that in an interview to my fans and they just like hung on to it. They were like, where's the 10 minute version? Give us the 10 minute version. And when it came time to doing Taylor's version and rerecording the album, I went back in,

found the verses, restructured the song to the way that it pretty much was when I had originally written it, put them back in. And that song is one of my favorite things I've ever done. And it was, when we were on the Aries tour, I'm watching people just like cathartically scream

this song to the point where I'm like, do you need to go to the hospital? Like, it was so passionate, the fan response to that song at the Aries tour. And I remember thinking so many times like, what if this never happened?

Like, what if I never had to re-record this?

Oh, it's one of the most iconic parts of that tour.

It was so fun. And so like, yeah, it really did make me fall back in love with that album specifically. I have a song with Phoebe Bridgers that I really love on that, you know, from the vault. And I just, I think that one, I've always loved Jason Kelsey for president. I know it's very pure way, but red, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years.

I know, you know, like that rerecording, it made me just be like, Oh God, I love

it.

I was like, was it good?

Was it bad?

No complicated feelings about that. I wouldn't have done anything different. Maybe except to include the original versus the first time.

No, we needed it later.

We just talked about the different eras a little bit. Let's talk about perhaps the most daunting thing that any honest artist has ever taken on, which is the heiress tour.

Oh my God.

Let's talk about it. Documentary.

Last December in Vancouver.

Uh, I don't know. I'm sitting up last December in Vancouver.

I don't know. What did it feel like to wrap it up? What does it feel like now? Like not touring and being on a jet every day.

Jason, Diane Sawyer.

Basically trying to go from country to country.

I am saying it.

Yeah.

I mean, it feels great, Jason, to be honest. I'm not gonna lie to you.

You don't miss it?

I miss it. I do miss it, but it's like, it was perfect for what it was. Do you know what I mean? And it was a lot of physical therapy and it was a lot of being in a state of perpetual physical discomfort.

Kind of like when you're in season, you know?

Yeah, no.

I'm not getting hit my first huge 300 pounders, but

the heels

No, exactly, let's just stop there but the heels no say no more after much harder than

I'm telling you dude, the similarities were crazy. I'm like, Oh my gosh, she does more than I do.

We're like comparing physical therapy stories, like recovery stuff.

But have you ever tried taping your ankles?

We've related on how much

yeah, I miss it because I missed the fans and I missed that connection. But at the same time, it was so special. It was like the most formative time of my life. I learned so much about, about how far I can push myself. And if I set a goal, you know, making that a three and a half hour show in the beginning of the same, like you can't like say sick one day and then decide

tonight, it's going to be two and a half hours. Right. And it's really just like prioritizing the fans experience before anything else. And my fellow broken heart.

Yeah.

Don't get me started.

Don't you get me started.

Or like stomach flu or like, just like aching feet or blisters or whatever. Like it's, it just was.

Which she had all of this going through.

Usually all at the same time. Going into her fourth show. Whatever like it's it just which she had all of this going through Going into her fourth show Yeah, and it's just it was kind of the coolest thing in the world because when we were putting together this tour I had some really lofty goals. I wanted to reach conceptually because I wanted to show I wanted

to show fans and especially young documentary, please. We're asking visuals and sort of performance art references that were really important to me as a kid. And what inspired me to want to do this. Right. So like, I wanted to put elements of musical theater, Broadway, ballet, you know, a scenery that you would see in an opera.

Where is the ballet?

Who thinks like this?

Enchanted?

I watched the whole tour. I don't, I just thought it was amazing.

I didn't notice. But that's, that's exactly it. I wanted it to be references that I thought were really high concept and really high value for fans and for them to see things they hadn't necessarily seen before all in one concert, but I wanted to do it at, at the highest intensity, rapid fire, you're seeing something new every 15 to 30 seconds. And so, so for the tick tock and an algorithm, right.

And when I heard reports of people saying that they got. Actual amnesia after the concerts. I was like, oh, I think we did it. I think we did it, nailed it.

That's genuine. I remember that moment.

I wasn't even shooting for that goal when they're like, I saw so many things and I experienced a state of euphoria that I now don't remember what happened to me. I was like, oh my God.

All I remember is that she didn't want to meet me. That's it.

That's it.

That's all he got about me. That was my takeaway from the Earth tour to Travis.

As much as you, and I've told you this, as much as you want to give New Heights credit, I give the Heirs to her credit. Yeah? I give the Heirs to her credit have never gone to that show and been mesmerized and just being captivated. Yeah. And then left with such a desire to want to meet you.

I would have never, uh, went on here and told everybody how butthurt I was. Yeah. I'd never just been so engulfed in the curiosity of who you were. Oh, that's really, really, really the best things about that last statement is you didn't even know what the word engulf meant before. Like you met Taylor, like this is you've broadened your

horizon.

Clocking his tea.

I'm telling you it's so she makes you Jason Kelsey,

the Diane Sawyer that you are.

Thank you for saying that.

Thank you for saying that.

But it's like, you see you on the stage and you see how crazy you can get an entire stadium going. And then I get you in a room and it's like I've known you forever. It's like, it was just the easiest conversation I ever had. And it was just so much fun that it just-

Okay, I don't want to do Tavis anymore. I want to do the album.

Knock my socks off from what they say.

Thank you.

Knock your socks off.

Yeah. Thank you.

She blew me away. I had never experienced something so mesmerizing on stage and then so real and so beautiful in person.

Thank you. We love the heiress tour.

Hey, that's beautiful.

Should I leave?

Yeah, I think so. Honestly, at this point, I think everyone should leave. I don't know where to go from here now. Okay.

What, how many countries did you and the heirs tour in?

47,000 countries, Jason.

That is the correct answer.

You just listed that in the beginning.

Well, I said 51 cities, which I don't know if that's right.

It was a lot of countries.

51 cities.

What was really fun about all the countries that we went to is when we first started dating he was like I always wanted to go and really vacation in Europe and see Australia and you know go to Asia and I was like well I got I got a tour for that you know it's coming up. Oh, nice. You got room for a 6'5 guy to come hang out?

Like, no.

That's what the dimensions are wild. But we'll make some room. I think we'll have to leave some equipment trunks behind.

Thank you for accommodating.

The size. But absolutely, we'd be happy to have you. And we got to travel the world and have vacations and adventures when I wasn't on stage, which was really fun because like Europe was so fun. Australia is amazing.

Yeah, it was great. And that entire part of our lives, like I was on tour for so long and now I finally am not on tour. And it's kind of great because I'm getting my hobbies back. Like when I was on tour for so long and now I finally am not on tour. And it's it's kind of great because I'm getting my hobbies back. Like when I was on tour loves to granny. All I had the bandwidth

for was what's the mashup this week? What? How do I say welcome to the heiress tour in Portuguese? You know, that was the only thing taking up my brain space. And now it's, uh,

it's been so fun to see what Taylor actually gets into around

the house.

It's like, I'd say all my hobbies could be categorized as like hobbies you could have had in the 1700s. You know, like I get on my shit.

You enjoy my granny shit. Exactly. I told you things. That's basically what you're saying.

Yeah, I like to sew.

I specialize as a new wife.

And children's purses and baby blankets. I make two things.

I do know that very well.

The tables are gonna go demented with that comment.

I love to paint.

They're gonna take that one and analyze it.

I love to cook. I'm like, I'm like wrapping sourdough in my mouth. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I because I am I'm getting the caloric intake. Yeah, he asked me to send him two loaves of sourdough at

training camp. I'm like, I'm like wrapping sourdough loaves in like, like saran wrap or whatever, like like cling film. The sourdough has taken over my life in a huge way. I'm really talking about bread. 60% of the time. As you should, Queen. 60% of the time now. It's become a huge, huge factor.

I mean, and she's getting good with making all these different versions of it. Oh yeah. My favorite one was probably.

Let's get to the album.

The regular sourdough. Shall we? One of my favorites with the blueberry.

Yeah, we do.

There's a blueberry lemon. There's cinnamon swirl, cinnamon raisin. And this one I've been workshopping for the girls because they love everything rainbow, funfetti sourdough.

Oh, my gosh. It's gonna blow their mind.

No, it will. They love sprinkles. Like, we put sprinkles in everything when we hang out. Yeah. It's really, yeah.

She's a loafer for life now. I'm like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not like sourdough blogs. There's a whole community of us and I didn't know it.

Oh my gosh.

This is an underworld.

The amount of people hoping that you're on their blog.

Oh, I'm on your blog. Girl, I'm on your blog.

She says.

But it's like, I just didn't know this. There's people like me out there and this is where the internet is good. This is where the internet is a good place where you can create a reality where like, let's get some tea. All I really use the internet for is sourdough. And when Travis shows me videos of

otters on his Instagram algorithm,

I want to wild animal. I want a wild otter so bad. I just want to like find these little creatures. Yeah, he doesn't. But

he wants one.- Why a wild one? Why wouldn't you-

Because it's-

Aren't they all wild? Oh no, there's domestic. There's domestic otters.

He wants one specifically whose life he saved, who knows that he saved his life.

Who feels, yeah. It's a really specific type of otter he's looking for. The videos that I watch are somebody just in a canoe. Yeah, he doesn't want to go up to an otter

and take it from its mother. He wants to see an otter, and the otter's like, my paw's caught in a shell. And he's like, I got you. And then the otter's like, thank you forever with its little paws.

And I just bring him anchovies every couple months. up and then it's and you're kayaking and it's like doing this to you like that's what he wants and I want it to honestly who doesn't I mean who doesn't yeah right yeah okay I mean do otters eat bread um can we get a shower we're gonna figure that out I don't know if they do um what was that yeah we had discussed maybe like carrying around cans of sardines just in case we run into one.

Nice.

It's, it's, it's better in principle than it is in practice. Easier to conceptualize. Next topic.

Diane Sawyer.

Which is also easier in principle than it is in practice.

Diane, take control of the conversation. For us in terms of just the weight balance on the water.

Let's go. I'm on the hunt for a friend. Yeah. Stuff you didn't know you needed to know, right? Jason.

I mean, I love otters. I don't know who doesn't love watching Instagram otters.

This is what life after ERA's tour is though, Jason. You gotta, it's so crazy.

I'm retired. I am all in on this. I want to bake.

I just don't have the sourdough alive. We're not gonna keep a sourdough alive. I've folded, what is it? I've, what's the?

He's actually done it. He's actually done it.

Yeah, I've made a loaf.

You've had one of my loaves actually. He's done all of it. Like we've set it up where it's like, I've got a station and he's got a station and he's done all of it. I've stretched and folded before. Yeah. But there's just, we don't care.

No, his was actually his was more delicious than mine.

It's like, it's also, you know, no directions over here.

I get into the chance, Jason, you've had it and you said you loved it.

I'm not saying it's not good, but it's no way as good as Taylor's.

That's not true. I'm telling you, if you took like two chunks and you sent it off to the lab, there's gonna be so many more germs and microbes and trav-

Oh my God. Oh, ew.

The bacteria count.

What is the fungus in this, that's on this one? Yeah.

That's the sour, Jason.

That's the sour, okay.

Why is there chest hair in it?

How did you?

Yeah.

There's like chest. The apron's too low.

There's like chest hair in his, there's cat hair in mine. It's just like both of these are completely inedible. But it's crazy how you can, how many puns you can make. Cause I do the whole,

I got bread bags and I got labels. And so it's you can, you can really go for it with the puns. You go, are you ready

for it?

Question.

Are you ready?

Question. No Flower Song is the song for sure. That's horrible. It's a loaf story, baby just say

yeast.

Just say yeast. Just say yeast. Yeah.

Okay.

So this is my own podcast.

I know you said dough.

No, it's horrible.

Next.

Loafing him was bread.

Next, next, next.

You don't know that song and that's okay.

I love you.

He doesn't know Red.

Oh my God, jail, jail, jail, jail. 21 countries. Next. You don't know that song. That's okay. I love you. He doesn't know Red?

Oh my God. Jail.

Jail.

Jail. 21 countries. This is by Blank Space. This is his favorite song. Did you learn anything throughout the tour? Is there anything at the end of the tour when you were wrapping up that you wish you had

been doing the whole time? now that they're leading into tours, I'm going to do it again. No, I, I, I'm really glad that I didn't know it would have gone on as long as it did. Um, I'm, I'm glad that I got to like, actually be prepared for this tour the way that I was, because, you know, in previous tours, I had noticed that I would get on the tour and I'd have to like, get my stamina up throughout the tour. And by the last quarter of the tour, I'd finally hit my stride stamina wise. And I'd be like, oh, I can do this easily every night.

Yeah. I wanted to be at that point at the beginning of the heiress tour. So that's why I did so much more training, so much more endurance training and cardio and stuff. Hi, rockstar.

You know, doesn't come naturally because I'm not an athlete. So it's like that stuff I have to really force myself to do.

Don't you say that? I mean, don't you dare say that?

I feel, and I don't even, it's not like I say that in a disparaging way. I, I, I don't care at all.

But I just do. We, why did we take it that way?

I don't know.

Yeah. I really, I'm not an athlete and that's fine. Like I play instruments. It's just not my thing. I take it that way because we're undefeated

on the beer pong table. Shut up. I've seen you throw a football.

Shut up.

Enough.

That's not good and you know that's not good.

Men need to speak when women are speaking.

You can.

No.

Spiral?

Yes. You gotta be really sure. I don't think I've ever caught anything that's ever been thrown to me, near me, around me.

You're just disinterested in being an athlete.

That's true.

Can you hit something with a stick? That's a telltale sign of an athlete.

Good with a stick. I don't know, Jason. I've never tried that.

We're going out. We're going out back after this.

My relationship with sports was like, you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen, watching Eagles games. That was always the sports sounds that I heard in my house. However, I was up in my room playing guitar, learning instruments. As you should be. I was focused on different things.

I was like, so laser focused on music.

Can we get back to it, please?

And that's how I was in school. Like, yeah, I, I would go to sporting events so that I could sing the national anthem. Like everything was a means to an end to get me to get to do music. I've I know every halftime show from the Superbowl, but I don't I didn't

watch the sports. And so watching the tour and seeing that power skip I knew you're an athlete from the from the power skip period. It's one of my favorite parts. Just see just skipping down that runway.

Just looking like a giraffe.

Not everybody can everybody can skip but not everybody can power skip.

That takes out. Thank you. I appreciate that. What a unique

compliment.

So yeah, I, I definitely became obsessed with sports when it came to him. I'm competitive on his behalf. But if you and me are gonna go against each other in something athletic, I'm gonna let you win. Cuz this to me, I don't see why, what are the points of it? If I'm doing it.

I'm a fan of athletics.

At another date, I would love to listen to this. But right now, I need information. I'm throwing like this. Cause I don't, what I don't really care if it goes where it's supposed to go. I can't, it doesn't bother me.

I can't.

I'm not embarrassed.

No, she's a good teammate. So she'll, she'll give effort. If you're, if it's teamed up, it's individual sports.

It's not a sports podcast.

Everybody knows the only people are doing this. pong or something like I'm really trying. You're now you're in your team sports. This matters to him, right? Absolutely. I'm a scout. Yeah, put me put me on an Olympic one person trying to do some stuff sport. I'm doing this. How is it? Yeah, I'm me would be like, I love sports. This is the

office. I'm doing this. I care this. Yeah, Carol lot.

We're doing this. We're doing this. Oh, I don't I don't care. This is the office. I'm doing this. I care. This care a lot. We're doing this. We're doing this. Oh, I don't I don't care.

I don't care if this happens. I don't care if this goes here. It's not part of my metrics for my self worth.

Probably very healthy, to be honest with you.

You know, I was like, as long as you're fine with this. What? No, I'm completely fine with you being an athlete. Yeah. I'm not an athlete. I'm never going to be.

I think you just missed the whole point.

Yeah.

What?

We've established that.

Because he's what he wants to see, and it bodes well for me.

Ha ha ha ha.

Do you have a favorite thing from the heiress tour?

I have a lot of favorite things between generations of people. Gosh, that's so true.

It was really wonderful. Yeah, the crowd was really so mixed. It was like the most incredible feeling in the world because I can see all that.

I've got LASIK. I have incredible vision. Basically, the Ares Tour, I think one of my favorite things was when the fans would come up with their own traditions, right? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, a very like witchy performance. We have these like light up orbs and we're in cloaks and it's all very woo. And the fans decided that they were gonna bring their own light up orbs. And by that I mean balloons that they would blow up

in the audience.

I didn't see this. And then they would light, they would use their phone light behind it and create a light. When I tell you, yeah, or a glow stick, whatever, like they would figure out ways to luminate them themselves. And it was insane to look out and see spontaneously. Oh, that does

look cool. Thousands of these orbs just go up. And I just be like, I don't even know who organized this. Was there a group text? How did you guys even do this? It was so special. It felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned. And there's, as much as I love and relish in planning,

it was really fun that they would do things to sort of delight me every once in a while. They had little chants, They had all these traditions.

By the end of the tour, it was like Rocky Horror Picture Show, where they have their own show. It really was like that. I knew it was like that.

We had our own show. I remember being in Gelsenkirchen, Germany.

And you know what?

What did you just say?

Gelsenkirchen. That's our actual that's a salesman. He came to Gelson Kirk and Supported me there if you say with a German accent it probably sounds more like the actual city, but okay, my American accent is Gelson Gherkin Gelson Gherkin and I remember seeing that part of the show and they were literally doing Circles and like putting the orbs up in the air and passing them to each other like they were performing. It was so beautiful

They were so committed. I've never played for crowds that were as committed.

Yeah.

That's true. So I think I love the event of it. Like, I'm always trying to figure out how to make music into more of an event, right? How do we make it romantic? How do we make it something that people experience together?

And that's why I love vinyl. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, the Easter eggs thing is getting a little Zodiac killer at this point. I'm like, as long as you know, how do you go about like knowing

how to do an Easter?

Oh, no.

What does that process start?

Are you like, I have some parameters.

What is the art of the Easter egg?

The art of the Easter egg is that there's, there's do's and don'ts, right? I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to plant an Easter egg. I'm not going to specific reason that you'll hear later and you'll go back and be like, oh my God.

Like I think my favorite one of those was I was given a honorary doctorate from NYU.

I made a commencement speech. That was an incredible Easter egg.

And I put so many lyrical Easter eggs in that speech that when the Midnight's album came out,

after that, the fans were like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to be a certain thing where like, if you are a part of the fandom and you want to experience like music in a normal way, then, then you don't even see these.

Period.

You don't even care what that thing is above that.

They are harmless.

Truly.

Under that dimly lit flickering light over there. That's upside down backwards. In Braille. I do don't you don't need to know what that is. Yeah. But if you want if you want to look at that. But if you do, there. Yeah,

you know what I mean? Like if you know, you know, gasoline. Oh, yeah. gasoline. What's I know? You know,

let's talk about something I don't know. What is numerology? You threw that phrase out there like that's a comment. What is numerology?

Do you don't know what numerology is?

I'm assuming something with numbers.

Yeah. Like I'm 87 and she's 13.

Yeah, literally, it's that simple.

Oh, no, there's no reaction.

One hundred. 13 plus 87 equals 100. That's numerology. Like numbers, numbers, numbers, specific significance.

Oh, this is straight white people. This is straight white people behavior.

Okay.

Not keep it 100 ever.

I'm trying to attempt to, it's crazy that you don't, what numbers do I have? Kylie. I don't know how to do this.

It's okay.

It's not for everyone.

My favorite number is 13, though. It always has been.

Travis and I.

Stop putting spoilers in the chat.

I haven't got there yet.

Shut up.

Okay.

It's a part of it.

Okay. It's been in my life.

My whole life. Travis likes people that like the number 13.

Yeah.

I love them. 13 say about us though? It says that we're family in, in trichodectophilia, I think it is, is the obsession with 13.

No man, it's every day dude. This is every day.

That's a real thing.

You know what that means?

I know that all the newcomers are like, I keep saying it, but I'm trying to watch this.

So if that's the obsession with specifically number 13 or something, I'm sorry. Yeah. Triska dekka phobia is when you hate 13. Triska dekka philia is when

you love it. Philia is love. I don't know why I think it was like everybody else was afraid.

Not people saying they prefer knowing. What the hell? Yeah, you're just being contrarian,

which I love. I love that about you. All right. You're just like, you want to do this. I'm going to do this. That's exactly how I sound.

Oh, Jason. Let's get Jason, Jason, Jason, Diane Sawyer.

Randall, the favorite thing about the heirs to her was besides going to it and just being like this amazed at everything. I think I was on another podcast recently, just like.

All of the songs, everything you just talked about.

OK, I can't resist. I need to go look at the Instagram post. I need to look at the Instagram post and I don't want to hear men talk anymore. So let's let's just let's go take a look at this. Do you? Whoa. OK, life of a showgirl. Oh, my God, there oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Whoa! Okay. Are there more? Is she just posting them? Please just post. Oh my god, I love refreshing in real time.

Wow, the wig. The wig. She loves a wig. She loves, loves a wig. Wow, this is cool. I don't like that color combo. Now this is a little Pixar, isn't it? This is a little, this is a little canva. Okay, refresh again.

I'm enjoying refreshing and getting new tea. Wait, is it all on the website? If it's on the website, then I'll just go there.

Ooh, oh.

Okay, let's look at them all. Are they not there? Why do you lie to me? Wait, they are here, huh? I'm seeing little clues. I'm seeing little pictures.

Okay, back here. Are there more? Am I missing some? Is that it? It's very Sofia Coppola. I'm not really getting Sofia Coppola. I'm not really getting Sofia Coppola.

I'm not really getting that from this.

Hmm.

It's on the American site? Oh, I'm on the fucking Australian site. Of course, well, of course. Not the Australian. Take me to the normal store. Take me to the normal store where all the poets went to die.

Why isn't it letting me go to the normal store? Guys! Wait, okay, let me try. American... American... store.taylorswift.com We don't need store.au. We need store.taylorswift.com Why doesn't the international people get to see- Oh my god, they're here!

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Hello?

Hello?

Okay, this one is still the best one to me. Oh, wow. This is very like, reputation-coded. This is very, look what you made me do music video set. A lot of this is very, look what you made me do music video set. Oh, girls, this is good. This is really good.

This one is really good. Interesting. That's, is that the most of her body we've ever seen? This one is so cunt though, the Ophelia in the water.

Oh!

Yeah, I'm not crazy about the font. That would not be my favorite font that I've ever seen of hers Okay, we need to get back to the podcast because I think there's a lot of it to go Interesting

Something new every 20 30 seconds it was incredible the non-stop length of it But I will I'm gonna be

Remissed if I don't say one of the things that I loved is watching Travis Kelsey get on the stage the man in the tuxedo Okay, you know what? I'm like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do

this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not to be great. I could be yes I'm one point. I could be serious. Are you serious? Like I was I was serious in and in terrifying fashion I was like, yeah, it was like a wouldn't it be funny if kind of thing and I would I was there I knew you were gonna be down for I knew you were if you wanted to do it Like I was never gonna pressure you to do it But the fact that when when we were talking about it, we're joking I kind of got I saw that little twinkle in your eye where I was. Oh, he wants to do it

He wants to do it Yeah, you got it. You were so good every single beat. He's his comedic timing is crazy like and when the lights are bright

He's like, okay

Oh, no, I just black out and hope that it ends out like perfect Like perfect. That's what you said. I was saying the same thing. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Like I rose from that stage and I saw how many people are looking at you.

Guys, I looked at the variant covers already. Are you like not watching? So amazing. It's my

question. It was one of the loudest, if not the loudest screams I've ever heard on the floor.

It was insane. It really was. How many have you played football in some of the biggest stadiums What was that moment like? There's nothing like this. Were you nervous? I felt like an ant. Were you nervous? Nothing like this. I felt like the smallest piece of life ever. Like that entire stadium, the floor, everything.

What are all these people doing on the field?

How are, holy, I didn't know this place felt like this.

G. Oh my gosh.

What is going on?

A.

I have to pick her up now. that you could like throw me over a mountain and like climb the mountain and catch me on the other side. Like football players drop balls all the time.

Oh my God.

It was so good. It was, it was London. It was Wembley stadium. It was, those were such special shows. And we had just, uh, wasn't this the week that I got to watch a Jason meet the Royal family?

It was, it was.

Yeah. I watched him have this moment with his beer where he's just like, but I want to take it, but I know that I probably should not take it. I watched this happen and it was kind

of the most amazing. I like that you picked up on it because that was exactly what was

going on in my head. If I don't have my beer, what do I do with this hand now? Is it disrespectful to have a beer when you need loyalty? Or am I'm not always remember me for the first time.

Do we need to talk about that? That's how I did hold on to my beer. You did what was I guess you brought it up? What was that first impression? Like what was did you know I was told to be on my best behavior?

I didn't know what you were told. But I did know that one of the first things I saw was like you say to Kylie, I was just And I really want to go through one of the fire tables. Yep. I want to jump through it. I want to jump onto the flaming table. And she goes, OK, can we not do that right now?

Yeah, guy.

And since then, I've heard her say that exactly.

Girls, some people are saying things.

It's too fast.

Some people are saying skip.

This is the midpoint, guys. I want to throw this pudding on the wall. That's a common phrase for her. And so I meet you. You're exactly as I thought you would be. Kylie is exactly as I thought she would be. Just like the realest, the smartest, the coolest. You're fantastic. Obviously, you know that. And then I swear to God, Jason,

you flew through the window at light speed. I've never seen someone so big move so fast. It's impressive. It's like you only see a cricket and it's 16 feet that way. You're like, did it just jump up that way? How did it do that? And he surprisingly, he gets more athletic

the more he drinks.

I mean, it's real.

I really should have played in the NFL. I think it would have been better.

You know what? Not no. At this point, I would never argue with that. And all of a sudden, like, you wanna see Taylor? I got you, let's go. Let's go see Taylor. I was like, whose kid is that, Jason? Do you know where this kid came from? Yeah, it was, I think it was your best moment

and I think I'm very lucky to have gotten to see it. I love this like new world that Travis has shown me because I really, it's so fun. It's so exciting. But the pressure on sports is just such a different type that I have such a respect for everyone. Like everyone I meet on his team, like everyone I see doing this,

I'm just like, you've been focused on this since you were a kid and it shows.

Well, and I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Anybody trying to be the best at what they do and dedicating their lives to it.

I mean.

Me. I've been so lucky. play the game. I never get to see my friends and family. So now whenever I get to see what it actually looks like, how much fun they're having, what, you know, the type of support that I get and how crazy it gets. So the Vegas Super Bowl, there was, there was a camera on the suite. And when Nicole scored that touchdown and to see everybody, as we start jumping,

you guys keep saying each other, I already know other rooms. Everybody guy in the world. To get everybody going crazy like that. People went down. Like, there were people punching each other. It was like absolute chaos.

And like I have- I need to talk about the album. I can't do this. Come on. I have like a whole day of making content ahead of me. Come on, Daylight.

Let's talk about something important.

Let's talk about something important. enjoy this at a later date. It's so insane. I mean, the suite that is the Travis Kelsey suite that has been happening.

What was your first impression of that?

No, we're skipping through the Davis stuff.

I'm sorry.

We're walking in thousands of people in Arrowhead and nobody, nobody noticed.

Oh my gosh.

There were rumors that we had been seeing each other, but I

think people were like, what would they talk about?

You know? I'm going to see if you would be willing to come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead. Yeah. Since I've seen you make the stadium show.

But nobody was like, oh yeah, we're definitely going to see her there and we're going to see her coming in through general admission.

The way this guy landed.

No, we need to hear about Tavis.

Sorry girls, we need to hear about that.

No chance that whole audience thing worked. It's going to be important to the album. I didn't believe it when you told me. You manifested it. I did. Yes. You summoned me.

Here I am.

Andy Reid has recently revealed that he was the one who set you guys up.

How true is this revelation by Big Red?

Whatever Andy Reid says, we're going to stand by.

Who the hell is Andy Reid?

We're not going to refute anything.

He says it.

Who is that?

That's what happened.

Big Red. It's all the same. That's what happened. He's been friends with my dad. My dad is the most social man who's ever been in a relationship.

Shout out to Scott.

I was about to say, who's not friends with Scott?

He's just a maniac. He will make a friend in an airport in 1971,

have a five minute conversation,

and still be talking to that dude twice a week now. And so he's like that with everyone he meets, like he has, he's able to have very many, very meaningful relationships. And it's, it's a skill. It's a talent. It is a mind boggling talent that I have only known him to have. Yeah. Yeah. It is. Social savant, my dad, and so he knows Andy and, you know, Andy's been coming to shows for not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not gonna do this.

I'm not gonna do this. way is a, is it's like a disciplinary thing. It's just like, he, he won't, he wouldn't be doing it. And do it his way. He says it all.

We're like, please, please, please. He's amazing. There were, there were friends that were like, he's actually an amazing guy. Like he's so great. It was the Gaylord T people whispering in my ear about you. And I actually, that's not normal. It's not normal. There are people just willing to go to bat for you and be like, you don't understand this guy's incredible.

Well, Andy, well done.

You think that's not normal? You have an army.

How's being with us? Got doing? Doing good.

So he is doing incredibly well. My dad had an interesting summer. Okay, he actually had a quintuple bypass surgery. And that's a really intense surgery. So it all happened really quick. He went in, I know he would want me to say this because he really, like, he learned a lot through this process. He's had a healthy, perfect EKG every year

that he's gone in to get his physicals. Perfect EKG. But what found his five hard blockages in his heart was a resting stress test. So he's been telling all his friends, you need to get the stress test

because that's what's actually preventative. If you can find that earlier, you don't have to have a bypass surgery. You can sort out those blockages with stents and things that are a lot less invasive. So he finds out that he's got these blockages.

They're like, this is, we got to do this like tomorrow. Yeah. You, you, you shouldn't like, we don't know how you walked in here, dude. This is crazy. Um, so he was of course saying to our family, he was like, you guys are busy. I don't want you guys to have to like, come in here. He like you and Austin are busy.

Like, just don't, you don't have to do this. Like don't have to do this. Like don't come dad the strong dad. That's right He he said something about like when a cat is injured it curls up around a tree and heals itself I was like dad cats don't have quintuple biopasses You're just saying stuff now that doesn't mean anything you guys want me to skip Okay, i'm not gonna come there. No. All right, like uh, so he wakes up from surgery and it's it's my mom my brother and me and his best friend.

And he comes out of surgery and he was, he did like a comedy act, a comedy set for like 15 minutes. He was the funniest he's ever been. And he's usually funny, but he's like, he, he, we didn't know how many blockages he had. And I was like, dad, you had a quintuple bypass.

You had five. That's crazy. It's more than we thought. And he's like, well, you see, I come from a very competitive family.

And it was kind of wild. Cause it was like, it was very parent child reversal in a lot of ways. Like my brother and my mom and I were each taking shifts in the ICU and staying with them 24-7. And I remember when I was a teenager, my parents would always... The big fight we always had is I'd sneak my cell phone into my room and be talking to my best friend Abigail under the covers all night. And they'd be like, you have a test tomorrow.

You need to rest.

We're taking your phone, whatever. I get to the hospital, my brother will have done the night shift. And he's like, he's like, Hey, you got to take his phone. I caught him FaceTiming his friends all night. He needs his rest. He needs to be sleeping. He's FaceTiming all night.

Like one of the main things you need is you need that your body to just like, yeah, cover.

And I'm like, I'm not taking his phone. My mom. So we're just like, it's like, we've got our, like our team, we've got to take our teenage son's phone away from him. Cause he's FaceTiming all night. He came out of surgery, tried to give guitar picks to all the nurses and doctors, but he wasn't wearing hands, didn't have pockets, hospital gown. You know, I'm like, I'm having these moments where I'm like, this dude built play sets and swing sets and cribs for me. I'm building his, like, I'm building his shower chair

and his walker and his, like, bed that goes like this. Like, it's just surreal, man. And you're like, you know, we just all moved in with him

for the whole summer pretty much. My life is different.

You know, because you can't really walk on your own. I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it.

I'm not at 85 to 90% now.

I've still got a month though.

Yeah.

So my dad's like, my dad's like, new arteries, new me. My mom, my mom just got a new knee.

New knee. There we go.

New knees. And she's doing great. She's, she. She's up and moving around. Yeah, this was just like the summer of my parental upgrades. Like we're just upgrading the parents, making sure that they live to be at least 186 years old because they're two of my best friends and I just adore them. And it was actually one of the most special things that's ever happened to me, like spending

all that time with them this summer and getting to- Oh yeah, especially after being away for so long. summer and getting to like, you have those long talks that you don't have when it's like a small, concentrated period of time. This is this is when I learned to do the sourdough right? My my parents friend Tina sends over a little

sends over like the best loaf of bread I've ever had in my life. In the middle of doing all this, she's writing an album. You see

like, how I'm minimizing what this was, right? So I'm like, I need to know what, I need to know how to do this. I've never seen his house. She teaches me how to do it. She gives me some of her starter. Life is never the same. All these things are happening in Florida. Travis is Look at him. He jumped so high. Um, so this is our Florida summer. It's a hell of a drug. Uh, we, we really Florida it up. Yeah. No doubt. All right. How

many people have come up to you guys and talking about or spoken about how much they've appreciated you being a part of the chiefs and like their daughters all of a sudden being in the sports. Cause I get it all the time. I can't imagine how much you guys get it. How much the game has grown.

It definitely feels like a lot of people say that, which is really kind because there was never a thought in either of our heads that that was going to be a part of that.

I had no idea. That was, you can see a proud father right there standing next to him. It's it's a it's it's definitely been fun to see that like surprise.

You know, I think a lot of like a lot of the the women and girls.

This is really fucking rude. Can someone get this bitch? Where is this? Zack, you are as acoustic as the guitar. Like, are you actually sped? Skip.

Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. You're not going to be rude to me in my own space.

Girls, maybe they, maybe they like watched one game to see me cheer on my boyfriend or whatever. But if they, if they stayed, which is what people are saying based on the numbers, that's because the game is so great.

It's 3am, go to bed.

It's such an amazing, interesting thing to learn about. The comparison of all because she the way she runs her her tour her show her like team and everything like it's very like team friendly there are similarities in terms of Her athleticism. Yeah what she's doing for three hours But the preparation a whole regimen for you, okay You want the tour prep? It'll be great perfect Perfect. The goals that you set for yourself to achieve, it's very like there are some similarities that I thought

you found, I don't know, fascinating that you kind of have that same regimen going into stuff. And I thought that was fun for me to at least see when I saw you on tour

and saw how much of a team very similar job. Like our job is to entertain people for three plus hours in NFL stadiums. And it's like,

your job is also to tell me about the dressing room.

Travis is there, it's called the locker room. For me, it's called the rehearsal. For him, it's called a practice. For him, it's called his coach. For me, it's my mom. So, thank you to my moms like, baby, how was the show game? Game? How was the rehearsal? The practice?

You know, field stage. They're the same thing we just call it.

I can stretch more. That's what media attention. Right. Like I think you're playing in the NFL.

You think on the two of the two of us?

Well, let me. Yeah. Yes.

OK, let's talk about that.

The media attention on your guys' relationship, on the amount of people that talk about it constantly, the theories that are out there, of which I am probably way too invested in. What? How do you guys handle all of the noise and chatter about everything that's going on in both

of your lives? We don't really. I don't see a lot of things. I'm of the firm belief that like, as you know, if you're basing your kind of If you're getting your feedback from the internet or from comments and stuff, like I just really think that like anything You put anything you feed your brain. It will internalize anything you feed the internet really do. She doesn't look I Haven't in the music industry for 20 years

A little while to be a pro.

Everything that can be said has been said.

I think and there's still some like wacko theories from the beginning that I was very like, oh no, like how is she handling this? I don't like the last thing I wanted to do was screw this up.

They're over.

So I'm like, in my mind, this is mad day for the her being so calm, cool, collected, and so just real and understanding about everything that's going on. Really made me look at each other when they speak in that aspect of things.

The fact that you genuinely find a lot of online discourse to be truly hilarious. Absolutely. And that changes things for me.

This course and truth, you know,

find the humor.

If he's seeing things and he thinks it's funny, and it doesn't even affect his day at all. Like that's really completely.

Meanwhile, Joe sees one hate comment and immediately has to get checked into the psych ward.

Blood into the way that I metabolize these things. It's at a point where like, I can, something can be about me. Like my name can be in the actual headline and it can I'm like, I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm not going to be a part of this.

I'm not going to be a part of this.

I'm not going to be a part of this. I'm not going to be a part of people's identities and they get their feedback from that, right?

And I'm a real constructive criticism guy. Give me constructive criticism all day. Coach me up. Period. Coach me up. Period.

It'll fuel me. It's helpful, right?

Yup. And this is why she's the fucking diva.

Friends or acquaintances or people were like, they'll see one comment they don't like and it will ruin their day. It'll ruin their night. And I just want to say to them, like, you should, you should think of your energy as if it's expensive, as if it's like a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it. Like not everyone has invested in you in order to be able to have the capital for you to care about. Cause like what you spend your energy on, that's the day.

And it's so true. Right.

Like it doesn't matter where you were. Like maybe you went to go get coffee today. I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do that. No, he did not! You can't stop thinking about it. Dude, that's the day then. That's the night then. And so I just, I've been able to sort of mediate a really healthy relationship with not seeing a whole lot.

To what you just said too.

As she should be.

It wouldn't be possible. Social media expounds all this because everybody knows if they say one thing, but all of a sudden if they put Taylor Swift attached to it, it's gonna get a thousand more retweets and likes and hate comments or love comments or whatever. It's gonna stir up tons of controversy.

Totally.

And I get this way all the time where I just recently went into the facility with Cam Juergens and something was happening in the social media world that I was like, why are people like upset at this person?

This is bullshit. You gotta make your camera smaller. People are gonna look at Taylor Swift.

Shut up. You're here to watch a psychologist stream. Dumbo.

Dumbo.

Where I'd get upset and then it took me like,

actually nobody really gives a shit about Jason's

early Twitter views.

Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Oh baby. Oh my baby. Oh, my God. Oh, baby. He had to get off. He had to literally step away.

It hit me right between the eyes.

Because he would respond to it. I wouldn't say everybody, but he wasn't shy of letting people know how he felt on Twitter based off of their comments. It was honestly, Philadelphia, you guys know this.

It was a treat.

And it's become a treat again now that he's back on because you'll have a friendly conversation. Can I skip again? Well, Twitter used to be like a different thing, right?

Look, you remember Twitter. You're like, I fed a squirrel, ate a piece of bread.

Didn't know they-

Not squirrel, not S-Q-U-I-R-L-E.

That's what Twitter used to be, right? I'm like, I need a pair of scissors to open this, these scissors. Like, we're just thinking things, right? It's like a different thing now. And it's kind of about...

No, this is interesting.

Her talking about Twitter is interesting to me.

Information is power, I guess. Unless all of your information is geared towards you thinking that everything is about you.

But what if it is?

You know, not everyone is ever thinking about one person all the time at any point. It's just like, if your algorithm is giving you either criticisms of yourself or adulation or praise, you're creating an ecosystem in which you're the centerpiece of the table. And I just don't think that's healthy. Like that's not the way I want to move through the world. So I do detach from the internet in a huge way.

Like I'm just not, I have had my comments disabled on Instagram for like 10 years now. And I don't miss it.

Yeah, I found that out after the heirs tour.

You know what I have to say is that she has a really interesting relationship to social media. And I truly do believe her that she does not like linger in the comments, she's not online looking at stuff. And that is the smartest way to be because she needs to protect her like creative energy

and that can really get ruined and spoiled by these things that she's talking about. So I think it's a great idea for her to not be on it. And she also mentions here that seeing a lot of adulation is not good either. Being the center of the universe and your algorithm is bad for your everything. So I think it's very interesting, very interesting that she doesn't, or that she tries to decenter herself.

And I feel like you can really tell that since the heiress tour, like she was kind of just rocking around and doing the heiress tour at the same time. It wasn't like she was so present, you know.

Comments were gonna be the first one. I'm like, I don't know what this is, but get it out of my office. It's on fire. Yeah. My business is making music and taking care of my fans.

And I have ways of monitoring what they want from me and how best to

entertain them, which is my job.

And I'm not going to be the only one. I'm going to be the only one. I'm going to be the only one. I'm going to be the only one. making music and taking care of my fans and I have ways of Monitoring what they want from me and how best to entertain them, which is my job and Everything else. I'm just sort of says other people not my business. I have actual business that I need to run

Mm-hmm. Oh, you imagine I have actual business. I need to run our relationship if we talked about that That would be all we talked about because there's so much chatter. It's like, we're busy having an actual relationship.

I wanna hear sourdough bread puns.

Yeah, and you will.

And that's a promise.

I don't.

All right, let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about. The child crime. Do I get to say the two words. Yes. Do it. Well, you I think we were going to try and think this is what you could do whatever you want to. I don't know what I'm gonna. Yes. You went upstage and exited through an orange door. Okay. Why did you change the ending? So that's I'm happy you mentioned that. I'm say Jason. Did you see that fans? Did you see that the fans noticed this? Because I was pretty proud of

them for noticing that they noticed a huge door was surfing that wasn't there before on the screen. Yeah, so that was I was pretty happy that they noticed. I was like, trained him well. So basically every night of the air is everything happens with the reason Taylor's a planner. She's not just a random orange

door. Everywhere. Just eggs everywhere. So basically every night of the heirs tour, everything happens with the reason Taylor's a planner. She's not just a random orange door. What's happening there?

Why is why and why? Anyway, so I would leave the stage every night going down the elevator lift. That's how every single air is show ended except for one except for the last one, where I exited through a door, an orange door to be specific, and um...

Oh, orange.

That actually was an Easter egg. Basically... Where's my orange? The reason why I chose to exit that way is because I kind of wanted to give a little subliminal hint to the fans that I may be leaving the Eris tour era, but I was also entering into a new era. A new era.

So I wanted to show you something.

And I would like to see it. Her hair looks really good by the way.

Briefcase.

Yep.

And we've all seen it.

With TS on it.

Yep.

What's in it?

This is my brand new album.

Oh!

The screaming.

Oh my God, Please, please. Free me.

Free me.

Free me.

Free me.

We got TS12, baby.

Wow, that cover is such a goddamn gag. This is my brand new album.

It's called The Life of a Showgirl. Love it.

Love it.

It was something that I was working on while I was in Europe.

The face card is so crazy.

On the heiress Tour. While I was a heroine. And the Heiress Tour. I was working, I would be on tour. How on earth did she do this on the tour

is still blowing my mind.

I just love it.

I just love it a lot.

It's giving bangers.

I love music.

I would be playing shows. I'd do like three shows in a row. I'd have three days off. working on this. I was physically exhausted at this point in the tour, but I was so not mentally stimulated and so excited to be creating. And this is literally living the life of a showgirl. I was I said, I called it that. So it's kind of a back cover. Yes, I would love to see all of the back's where we find the 12 tracks. 12 tracks.

12 tracks.

Wow.

I don't love the font.

I really don't love the font.

What are they?

So we got track one, The Fate of Ophelia.

Okay.

Track two.

That's ominous.

I was gonna say, do you know what Fate of Ophelia is? Stop interrupting. This is where the men be quiet. I don't want to get Jason all riled up. Silence. We can just go through the track.

Okay, okay, yeah.

Track two, Elizabeth Taylor.

Okay.

Now, for just Taylor. You know who Elizabeth Taylor is?

You better. I'm just kind of following, just kind of following.

Enough. Yeah, he's saying trap. Track three, Opalite.

Opalite. Why can we stop asking me? I hate this About this album and I'm excited

track for father figure track five eldest daughter

never daughter X

ruin the friendship Track seven actually Actually Romantic.

Now that is gonna gag.

Track eight, Wish List with $2 signs as the S's.

It's Kesha.

Just wanted to point that out. Dramatical flourish.

Is that about being a billionaire?

Track nine, Wood.

Wood?

Nice. Track 10, That is the most-

Canceled.

I'm sorry.

Wood is the most random Taylor Swift song title ever. Idgeball.

Wood.

Okay, aluminum.

But it's in all caps with an exclamation point at the end.

Oh, that's a banger.

Track 11, Honey.

Honey?

And can you do drum roll? Last track, track 12. The title track, The life of a showgirl featuring sabrina carpenter

stop the screen that's awesome so that's that yes sabrina collab that is a showgirl we've got this

orange violin it's. Beautiful. And sparkly.

I love that the orange is an accent color, not the main color. It's very nice. Orange and teal.

So what is the significance of the color orange? Why orange?

I've just always liked it, Jason.

It really, it really does not.

She's like Karma truthers, I will end you. It feels like kind of energetically how my life has felt. And this album is about what was going on behind the scenes in my inner life during this tour, which was so exuberant and electric.

Oh, she's reflecting on fame.

You know, one of the things about this record is like, it's a record I made with my mentor, Max Martin and Shell Back. And the three of us have made some of my favorite songs I haven't spoken done before Well, they were my main collaborators on the red album we did we are never gonna get there I knew you were trouble 20

Maybe it is actually

Shake it off blank space style wildest dreams. Yes. Ready for it.

So that's the energy we're going with. Yes. I understand. Okay, so

yeah, we've made we've made songs that I'm so proud of.

There's gonna be some fucking bangers. Yes, I got picking it

up. Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's like I knew it's 12 like that. And so basically, we've never actually made an album before where they're where it's just the three of us. There's no other And I think that's what we're trying to do. And I think that's what we're trying to do. And I think that's what we're trying to do. And I think that's what we're trying to do. And I think that's what we're trying to do. And I think that's what we're trying to do.

And I think that's what we're trying to do.

And I think that's what we're trying to do.

And I think that's what we're trying to do. something that there's something about these guys. They are, they're just geniuses in, in different avenues in different ways. And we kind of I'm gonna put it down. I just Travis never like this. Today's the first day I've seen it. Do you know what I mean? I'm just like, Travis is just gonna cradle it the whole time. Perfect. So it's like, I just feel like, I feel like we could just knock it out of the park if we went back in and we did this all in Sweden. And it was just us three.

So this is why he had no time to do the Taylor's version. I essentially said to him, I want to be as proud of an album as I am of the heirs tour, because I want to be as proud of the album as I am of the heirs tour. And I was like, I. So this is why he had no time to be doing the Taylor's version. I essentially said to him, I want to be as proud of an album as I am of the heiress tour and for the same reasons, you know, and, and he was like, do you

understand what kind of pressure that is?

I was like, yeah, like, yeah, we can try.

Let's see your entire career. Got it.

Yeah. Let's say your entire career got it. Yeah, we can do that in one hour Well, okay, so it's like, you know, I spent time in the time that We were off doing different projects and he and shell back were doing different things and I was making albums that were a little bit more esoteric like

Folklore, so she's saying I'm back. She's saying I'm back. The bitch is back. The blonde bombshell pop superstar sensation is back.

He knows what that means. He pretends he doesn't know what these words mean,

but he knows what that means.

For a specific following, like a specific genre of people.

Travis, enough.

He knows what it means. Okay. He does like a pretty, I don't know what it means thing,

but he knows all the words. He knows what they mean. And he may not have read Hamlet, but I explained it to him. So he knows what happened.

Don't tell my middle school English teacher

I didn't read Hamlet.

The album cover is very Ophelia in and of itself.

Because I definitely was supposed to.

Spark notes.

It's all right, I watched The Lion King.

See, he knows what Hamlet is. Wait, Lion King is based off of Hamlet? Yes.

Jason, your Reddit searches need to be more focused

on relevant things. We need your relationship with the internet

to be like a little bit purer.

Don't, I've got the algorithm. I got the algorithm.

My relationship with the internet is bad. It's about as bad as it can get. Yeah.

Sorry.

No, you're fine. I'm like, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to do it. as a writer and I feel like both Max and Shellback did that too in their own ways going out into the world and when we by the time we came back together I feel like we had so much more dexterity to what we do and it's almost like we'd all grown up so much like Shellback and I were both in our early 20s when we started working together.

More dexterity than when you did 1989.

Hold the damn phone max was the mentor and this was the time where it felt like all three of us in the room we're carrying the same weight as creators and

Well, she's a producer like meant the world. She's a producer. I don't know that she was a producer on 1989 We knew that we had to bring the best ideas we've ever had. Yeah, and oh, this is a guy I also know it's short putting on so it's a fucking guy saying that but I don't care because I love it that much and I'm so proud of it and it just comes from like the she puts her full chest into everything infectiously joyful wild

Dramatic place what we need. I was in in my life and

Jimmy

Jimmy has come to me And we were just like, there's no other songs coming. It's not like, like with Torture Poets Department, I was like, here's a dad dump of everything I thought.

And I predicted that song's gonna be out in two or three years.

It's three years 31 songs.

This is 12.

There's not a 13th. There's not a fourth.

There's not other ones coming. This is the record I've been wanting to make. Yeah. Very long time. Yeah. You see how she metabolizes criticism.

So let's where do we start? I don't know where to start. You gave us a lot of information

right there. I know we didn't tell Jason that this that we were doing this. No, I just said

like, can I go on the podcast? Brad Pitt?

Jason was like, yes, I mean, we can make that happen. The request or the ask from either one of us was never going to come. I don't know why I would never ask you. I just, I don't know. Yeah, Brandon still hates me because I never asked you, but I think this is way better now.

We waited until I had some stuff to say, I think. There we go. You know, I was waiting until I had like a sparkly briefcase I needed props. It took a long time to put that into production.

So, well, it is finished. And do you want to tell everybody when it's coming out?

It comes out October 3rd.

Thank you, God. Thank you, Jesus Christ.

This album comes out October 3rd.

Oh my God, God smiled on me.

It's 10-3.

God smiled on me.

Still annoying. It is also your birthday week.

He said, I love you. It's still annoying. It is also sad. They week. We got Wyatt October 2, October 5, and then we got mom October 9. So this is a good is a good month. Yeah. Okay. Good week. You know,

10 313. The opal burst.

See,

never not annoying. Always gonna coach, I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna want to show it right now because I want to keep some mystery going. Because that's, you know, just fun to have things to still discover. But the photos are done by Mert and Marcus,

who are two of my favorite photographers. The last time I worked with them for an album cover shoot was with Reputation, with that album. And I loved what they did with those photos. So I called them up for this one. And I'm so happy with the way that the photos came out. No, they look and it just basically was like, I was so proud of so gag

is so excited about my TPD. But I was just like, all hands on deck. We're going all out. This is a full send. Like I care about this record more than I can even overstate.

Fun. I mean, I understand what she's saying. I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to hear that. I think it's a complete 180 from a lot of the songs on Torture Poets for sure.

Oh yeah. And it's just-

Life is more upbeat.

Well that's what I was about to say.

Life is more upbeat.

Probably, do you find that your albums

mimic everything that's happening in your personal life?

Yeah, definitely.

Your genres-

That's her whole thing.

That you've done are like so wide spanning between like country pop, uh, and then like it can get, I don't even know, torture poets. It was like so cathartic. It felt like for you probably to write those songs and to release all that.

Definitely. And it was like, I have different goals with different albums. Um, and torture poets department, my goals were strictly to unload.

Like, yeah.

I, and I, I love going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this.

I'm going to do this.

I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do something completely different. That's what I'm feeling at the moment. And I was feeling a complete pivot at this point in time. And I wanted the album to feel the way my life felt. And this completely matches the way that my life has felt. Exuberant, fun, upbeat. And I also wanted it to be just every single song is on this album for hundreds of reasons,

you know, and, and, and you couldn't take one out and it'd be the same album. You couldn't add one front to back, baby, just right front and to back focus and that kind of discipline with creating an album and focus and discipline. Are you hearing this for a very long time? Are you hearing this? I've been wanting to do for a very long time. I tend to love to write lots and lots of music. So it's a temptation to release lots of music.

I wanted to do an album that was so focused on quality and on the theme and everything fitting together like a perfect puzzle.

This is why Taylor Swift is a fucking great artist.

These 12 songs for my 12th album, it just, I feel like we achieved that. And I'm really happy about

that. So you mentioned a couple of things there. First, I'm really happy about that too. The theme of the album, if you would describe it as one like theme, if that's possible.

I would say it's everything that was going on behind the curtain.

Okay, behind the curtain. What are the goals? You said something like there, what would be like your main goals with this album? My main goals were melodies that were

so infectious. Uh-huh. Bulletproof pop. You're always angry at it. Um. Yup. And lyrics that are just as vivid but crisp and focused 1989. Completely intentional. Check. So it's like, I feel like we actually came together in a really beautiful way, the three of us, Shellback, Max, and I, where we had a conversation about how Max was like, I loved folklore.

I loved the storytelling on folklore. I don't want that to change. Like, just because we're making these like these infectious Anthems like I don't want you to leave that behind and I was like, I don't think I couldn't if I tried So at this point, I'm I got some stuff to say I'm married to that Writing, you know, and so it's really amazing that we were able to without doing too much

overthinking we were able to, without doing too much overthinking, we were able to get in there. And it was just ideas flying. And all of these ideas were like, we've been waiting years to come back together and make this project. Oh, wow.

You weren't going to dream come true. You are. Do I have to wait? Do I have to wait

till October 3rd? Yes, you do,rd? Goddamnit, this is unfair.

We don't trust you at all.

I mean, honestly, smart.

Smart.

I completely get it. Completely get it.

The artwork, how do you settle on a front piece of artwork?

He's asking great questions.

This represents the end of my night.

Okay.

So when I'm on tour, I have the same day every single day. It was another reason why we have a very similar life. His show, his game days are the same days every day. My, his practice days are the same every day. His meetings is scheduled. My show days are the same every single day. I just happen to be in a different city and my day ends with me in a

bathtub, not usually in a bedazzled dress.

Sure.

Well, it's gotta be, it's on the front of it.

We try to keep it decent. You know? Yeah. I wanted to sort of like glamorize all the different aspects of how that tour felt. And that's how that felt to like be at the end of the night

when all this has gone down. You won't be able to get to bed till four in the morning after this. But you had to jump through 50 million hoops in this obstacle course that is your show, and you did it.

You got two more in a row. But you did it tonight. And the reason I wanted to have a sort of like an offstage moment as the main album cover is because this album isn't really about what happened to me on stage. It's about what I was going through offstage.

So it's like, it's, you know, I can do it. I'm on the stage is the main album cover. It's just this, this to me tells more of what the actual content contents lyrically of the album are. Got it. Which is the life. The life of

the show. No single. Yeah. What you're seeing. It's the life. Is it over? Is it over? Wait. Hello? Let's get to-

Does it just end there?

I'm on tour.

I have the same day every single day. You won't be able to get to bed till 4.

That's it.

We have the album are.

Got it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. It's over. It's over, it's over, it's over. It's over, it's over, it's over. It glitched?

Spotify has the rest? What the fuck? There's more? I can't go and find more right now. Okay, I'm gonna go, it's back? Okay, what's happening?

Track five is called Eldest Daughter, well we knew that. There's no single. 20 more minutes? What the fuck is going on? I need to see the 20 minutes. It's not coming up on YouTube, It's stuck at 144 to me.

Damn it. Where else can I get it? They're coming back. There's 20 more minutes or what, but where? Where can I find it? And why is it not on fucking YouTube?

What is wrong with them? How do you bungle this? How do you bungle this? Girls, we can't be bungling the Taylor Swift episode. Spotify, well, how the fuck am I gonna do that? I don't have that set up as a source.

This is so annoying! I need to go and make content! This is so annoying! I can't believe I listened to her talk about fucking loaves of bread! Why? Why? Yes, I know it's on Spotify, genius, but I don't have that set up through my fucking streaming service, do I? Okay, well, is there a video with this or no?

It's saying get access. Okay. All right, well, since that, since it's back, is it back?

How did they fuck that up? That's crazy to me. It's not back for me, but I have it on Spotify. So let's see if I can get it in. Okay. Audio capture. Desktop audio capture. Okay. Can everyone

hear this? Very jealous of you've heard these songs. As you should be Jason. As you should be. I think it's very fitting that it's born. I mean, it looks like a giant sun. Pull that thing out Very jealous of you for these songs. As you should be, Jason. Yes. As you should be. I think it's very fitting that it's orange. I mean, it looks like a giant sun. Pull that thing out again. It feels like it's going to be full of energy.

Like the record itself.

You have no idea, Jason.

All right.

Look at that thing.

That thing is awesome.

That is so cool.

Very cool. Congratulations, Taylor. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Everyone, you heard it here first. You have heard it here first. October 3rd is the release date of the TS12, The Life of a Showgirl.

12 bangers.

Congratulations, Taylor.

I know you've been working on this for a long time.

You're going to be moving the entire album.

Thank you so much. You can pre-order it now.

You can pre-order it now there we go on my website i'll be right back guys you heard it here first folks the life of a showgirl is available now you can pre-order it and the official release date is 10 3 that's october 3rd yes sir all righty it's not on the new heights youtube channel we gotta ask you don't have to answer okay you're familiar with this segment i'm not listening this is a segment we often get to where our guests, we're gonna ask a bunch of rapid fire questions. They are not obligated to answer.

Matter of fact, they are free to tell us to fuck off if they so choose.

Okay, cool.

If you so choose.

All right, now, how do you feel about Jason telling his kids that cats are poisonous?

It was actually really a great challenge because... Oh my God, is it just this? As soon as I got the kids around the cats, it was my...

No, I'm not... I can't do cat talk anymore.

...goal to prove to them that they weren't poisonous. And there's no better way to prove that than to just hand...

Is there anything I actually need to know in the rest of this episode? Is there anything I need to know? Because if it's not, I'm not doing it. I have to go, I have to go and start cooking. Like I can't listen to this anymore. No, you're saying yes, because you want to hear it. I need to know, yes, is there something happening?

Rapid fire questions. I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. over there just like laying with him and petting him and holding him and they're dry the cats are so good with kids they're like drag they're just like there's like meredith is here i'm like yep and you know what she didn't bite you at all did she no she did and if she did bite you she wouldn't be poisonous they're like that's not what our dad said i'm like well

a child i heard you're getting a cat

very well i can't well can't. I can't. You're getting like a proper cat.

You're getting like a cat that chases mice. What I have are not that.

They sit around. There's a chance I have been talked into a barn cat that does not go inside that will

survive off of rodents in the field.

Those girls are going to be sneaking that cat into their beds

every single night.

We'll say this is why I lie to my kids though, is I want them to be able to be critical thinkers. They need to realize it's absurd to think this, and you handing them Benjamin, and then walking them through critical thinking ability, now all of a sudden they won't believe something

that every moron tells them on the internet. Okay, don't care Allegedly, I'd like to see a copy of it I think that you just like maybe don't like I don't I mean I think some cats I get down with I always like flash

Growing up the cat that we had. What did you think of my three cats? I'm not listening to the other two can't talk. I'm sorry

Strawberry the original and like an orange marmalade in the

middle. And so now I got to try the cinnamon swirl sourdough

though. Deny like, this is, this is one of those ones where like we'll send it to each other and be like, Hey, did you hear I was the bear in there? He's like, of course they think I'm inside of a bear costume. Like I'm on a bunny. He absolutely delighted me in that movie.

I just kept-

He was so good.

Would you like a breastfeed? He's amazing. His comedic timing is so good. There's this one part where they look over, where they're like, who did that? And like, his did that? Who did that? And they do, there's a face that Bad Bunny makes

and they do the kind of like the pan in the zoom. And it was just, I was like, who thought of that? How did they know he could be that? I was like, I watched it five times.

He really kills it.

He's so funny.

He's so good.

It'd be like, no, I felt so much to go to his restaurant. Like I thought this was a real man. I'm going to the discord.

Cause I don't trust this YouTube chat. Whose idea was arriving to the Eros tour stage via a cleaning cart?

Mine. That's weird idea that I, that's my type of weird idea. Where did that come from? Well, when you're putting on a first show of a tour like.

Okay, here we go. So essentially the issue is, is that I don't wanna hear that, okay? I'm not listening to the end of that. I will save it and listen to it at a later date. Of course I wanna hear Taylor talk, but like right now I have a lot of fish to fry. I have a lot of fish to fry and I wanna thank you for coming to this stream.

I might try and record a little video recap just to put up before the podcast comes out. But if I don't go and do it, you can't have it. So let me go do it. Thank you so much for tuning in everyone. Patreon.com slash Swiftologist. That is where you need to fucking be.

That's where we're gonna be doing all of the analysis. We're gonna have a podcast episode coming out like expeditiously and you need to be there, okay? But this is crazy. Is this live gonna stay? If it doesn't get copyrighted, it will stay.

If it doesn't, I will have to download it. But basically that's the vibe. Go check out the vinyl covers. I've seen them. Is there anything that I haven't seen? I've seen all the alternative shit.

I've seen, yeah, I don't think there's anything I've seen, yeah, I don't think there's anything I haven't seen at this point.