Trump is the Most Corrupt President in History - Ann Coulter

I think this is the most corrupt presidency in US history. When the money they are raking in with the NFTs and the meme coin, I mean, it is so blatant right in front of our eyes. I don't care about anything but saving the country.

He came in on the promise of ending the conflict in Ukraine.

In one day.

In one day. Likewise with Israel and Gaza. That hasn't been settled yet. Why do you think that is?

You may not have noticed this. Trump is an exaggerator.

Yeah, yeah.

I have. I've got glimpses of that.

It is historically part of Russia. I am not defending him.

He invaded the country. Um, I'm not... Not all of Ukraine is historically part of Russia, but fine. I'm from Russia, so... You said you wouldn't vote for him because he's Indian.

Yeah, for president.

Why is my country the only country that is supposed to have, oh no, anybody can run our country.

Britain had an Indian prime minister.

Yeah, I don't think it went that well.

Didn't go well, but it wasn't because he was Indian. Relax, relax. This is not an ad. I just wanted to let you know that you can watch this video without any advertising at all. No interruptions, no pop-ups, nothing. Just go to triggerpod.co.uk or click the link below and join thousands of our supporters who watch all our interviews with exclusive bonus content ad-free. Anne Coulter, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you.

It's so great to be here. It's great to have you. You're on a little tour of the UK, so we thought we'd get you in and see what you make of it. How do you feel? What have you made of it so far?

Well, I'm technically just on vacation because I love London, amazing city. It's so fabulous, especially coming from New York. And then just dropped in on some of my right wing friends.

We identify as politically non-binary.

Okay, that just so you know, that's right wing.

It is now.

That's what everyone thinks.

In America, that's right wing.

Well, America is very binary. You're like either this or you're that.

Well, Twitter. Look at Twitter. Twitter too. Elon just says, I'm not going to censor anybody. Right wing nut. Nazi.

In the UK, we have more of a spectrum is what I'm saying. No, it's more than that.

People like us exist here. You have a lot of conservative media. It's stunning to me.

Like what? The Spectator, The Telegraph, The Sun, The Mail, The Express. Yes, thank you. The Express is not right wing. The Express is... Wait, no, sorry, I confused them with the Daily

Mirror. No, it's fair. And a lot of the podcasts, it seems to me, maybe it's just the ones I listen to and I know. The only TV show I've always, when I've been in London before, sometimes I'd watch the TV just to see, to prove to myself once again that British people are incapable of boredom. Oh my gosh, it's like watching paint dry, but not ITV. That's actually, so yeah, okay, you have BBC, but it's like, you know, about a sheep or something.

Is that really caring? You're watching a TV show about a sheep.

Well, I'm making that up. It was probably more boring than that, to be honest. But ITV, you kind of actually get some news, so I would consider that the only news station.

So what have you made of your time in the UK? You've been here for a couple of weeks, you're leaving tomorrow. What do you think about it?

It's so fabulous. I can't wait to come back. I love London so much. It's beautiful. And on the drive up here, which is I think in Scotland. Yeah, we're in Scotland.

I went through a few, probably what you guys, and compared to the areas where I've been, seemed a little bit sketchy, i.e. people obviously on drugs, weird outfits, a lot of tattoos, a little more garbage, and still in the midst of the sketchy areas, you know, just a beautiful old pub and the flowers in the window boxes and beautiful streets. Even your sketchy areas are beautiful.

Well, it's kind of like New York, right? Where you live, you've got, you know, the people, like every time we go to New York, there's someone lying face down on the pavement or... Oh no, I think we are so much worse.

Really? Oh, New Yorkers, this is the heaven. Oh my gosh, you are so much better off. I mean, being able to walk around at night, sometimes I don't have far to go and I'll walk home from dinner. Well, under Giuliani and Bloomberg, Republican mayors dominated New York for 20 years and it was so safe. It was paradise. I do normally used to think New York is the greatest city in the world, but it has just gone so much to hell right now. Homeless people, bombing, you know, I met a, I talked to a lot of British people, but a friend of my friend is like the queen of Hermes and has a million Hermes boxes or bags

and the Birkins and everything else. And they were both telling me, and I don't know, maybe you'll tell me this is exaggerated, that she absolutely cannot carry them in London because they get stolen by the moped guys. I was warned before coming here and by everyone I've run into since being here

that I can't wear a watch, which is really annoying. And I told her she ought to come to New York and she can totally walk around with a Birkin bag in New York. She might get raped on the subway. She could be pushed in front of a subway.

But she can still wear the bag though.

She could be knocked out. But our criminals just want to do like random heinous violence. They have no plan. Let's get that Rolex.

Well so just to fill that out with detail a little bit, you can wear a watch, just not the ones that you have, Anne. You can wear a 20-pound watch, you'll be fine.

Will they be able to distinguish?

Usually, yeah. Well, the guys who rob watches know what they're looking for. Excellent. And that genuinely is true in that people don't wear nice watches around London.

Right. Well, I've been counting on that with my 10-year-old iPhone, because that's the other thing they say. Don't be a dork tourist. And they'll snatch it. And I'm hoping they'll look over, we don't even want that one.

And your career has been very interesting, because you've been very, very pro-Trump, 2016. Then you were one of the first people to come out against Trump because you feel he betrayed the MAGA agenda. How do you feel about Trump now?

I'm finally getting the Trump I voted for. What does that mean? I can't believe it took him eight years to actually do this stuff. I mean, in my defense and to attack everyone, which you aren't asking, but when I have Americans MAGA based, the cultists come up to me and say, oh, why have you turned against Trump? I mean, they're just utterly unprincipled.

So, okay, they're okay with the policies of Jeb Bush. I think they'd be fine with the policies of Hillary, as long as it's the host of The Apprentice. So if you're someone who didn't vote for Trump because of his personality, but voted for him despite his personality, which is me and all of my

friends. No, he didn't. He governed like a standard Republican, cut taxes and screw the working class.

And so how is this incarnation of Trump different from the previous one?

In many, many ways. Most important thing, 100 percent immigration, immigration, immigration. He did immediately do the executive orders on immigration that he promised he would do the first time on anchor babies. Pregnant Mexican runs across the border, drops a baby, oh, the baby's an American citizen, which isn't the law.

It's not a court ruling. It's just been the practice. It's stupid. He can end it with an executive order. He, for four years, he never did that first term. He did that like day one.

He's done a lot of stuff sending out the ICE agents, putting the right people in charge of ICE like this guy Tom Homan, who's just such a hard ass. He finally put Stephen Miller, originally his only policy advisor, who is rock solid on immigration, he's been in charge of the immigration policies now. And in this, the big beautiful bill, I don't know if you heard about it,

but the reason Trump was insisting on a big beautiful bill is you basically get one shot as president to get Congress. I mean, the Democrats are doing so badly. Maybe this will prove not to be true. But historically, the president's party loses

seats in the midterm. So you kind of have to anticipate that and get everything you need done in the first two years. So he wanted to, you know, dump everything in the big beautiful bill. And when I was reading, you know, the full analysis in the New York Times, they're starting with all the other provisions. And on that, you know, Elon and Trump had a little tiff. And I'm totally with Elon. These idiot Republicans will not cut spending.

They won't, they won't, they won't. And I'm just enraged that they won't cut spending. And it's all utterly useless stuff. The government trying to figure out how to get and to pay more and make my life worse. So I'm going through this section by section. And the last section they describe is immigration. Billions of dollars for ICE, billions of dollars to finally build the wall.

And I thought, OK, I'm for it. Love it now.

And why is it that nobody can cut spending?

Because the people who benefit from the spending, I mean that you're taxing I worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee and It was very junior senator So we all had to do all kinds of work So at first even I had to meet with constituents until they noticed that the senators ratings would plummet every time Got off that task, but I really I was I was at the point where I was gonna leap across the table

and spray them with mace, because they all have the same argument for their dumb ass program, which is, this costs every American less than the cost of a postage stamp. Well, yeah, there are a lot of Americans,

and you're all saying that, and the only programs that are more than that are the medical stuff, Medicare, Medicaid, And you're all saying that and the only programs that are more than that are

the medical stuff Medicare Medicaid and Social Security the

Ponzi scheme Retirement program so we can't touch those and then there are a million other programs that yeah, it costs each American the cost of POSA stamp But only adults pay taxes and only half of adults pay taxes, so it's a little more than Opposers' Stamp. In any event, everyone who benefits from one of these stupid programs, it's their world. It is everything.

They are single-issue voters. Are you going to keep my stupid program for my stupid job going? Whereas how are you going to gin up, you know, the American people? We're going to cut this small program you've never heard of, or maybe a big program you've never heard of. There was one, I'll just use this as an example, because I'll never forget it.

So when Reagan was president, we were winning the Cold War, and part of that was, you know, military buildup, military buildup. So there are a lot of new military bases around the country. And obviously, members of the military have children. So they had to set up schools on the military bases. So they were federal grammar schools.

And it's a dumb name for it, but it was called Impact A. Okay, so we win the Cold War, yay. And a lot of the, we saved so much money, we get to cut way back on defense. The military bases are gone. They've gone off to get other jobs. The military bases are empty.

The schools are still getting money. And I think that the people whose entire salary was working for impact aid, i.e. a school, schools throughout the nation, where there are no students. And their argument? It costs every American less than the cost of a poster stamp.

You know, so, but to me, the issue of spending is actually existential for America.

Yes.

For our country as well. It's the same. Yeah. We're broke. We are broke. And I don't think people realize that, all the long-term implications of that.

So when Elon had his meltdown and the way that he did it, in the words of Chris Rock, I don't agree, but I understand.

I agree. I agree and I understand, personally. He's right on the issue, right? But I also think you're right in the sense that, this is why I asked you why it's happening because you gave a very American answer because you're talking about America, that's fair enough.

But actually this is a problem across the entire Western world. And part of it I think is what you said, which is just people really, they're so used to having everything paid for by the government, they only really care about, are you going to take care of this thing that I care about? And if you don't, I'm never voting for you. Well, if no one ever wants to sacrifice a little bit to reduce overall spending, then it's debt and deficit all the way down.

Yes. That's why Doge was so great. I mean, they were going in cutting stuff. I can't believe that we were paying for I mean, it was basically just billions upon billions of dollars funding the left. It was stunning. And I don't know why Congress just couldn't I don't know how much of this they did, but just enact all of the doge cuts because it's really that was the Elon system.

It was really all just recommendations you need. And same thing with Trump's executive orders. You need Congress to pass a law and put it in to make it a law.

Yeah. So what did you make of that falling out between Elon? Because we had a lot of these conversations immediately after the election, actually just before as well, about the tech right and the MAGA right, with very different groupings. And that kind of fissure was almost inevitable, many people felt.

How did you see it? Other people predicted it, I didn't because Trump sucks up to rich people. And he was very gentle with Elon, I mean, everybody else. You know, sloppy Steve or Steve Bannon, I forget what vicious attacks he had on Corey Lewandowski, just endless attacks on Jeff Sessions, his first Attorney General. He's really, really nasty when someone has a crossword about him. Very solid ego. And

so he was pretty gentle on Elon. And I think he, I mean, Elon was right and I knew if he ever went to Washington, no one can work in Washington and not realize you could cut 90% of it. And most Americans wouldn't notice except their taxes would go down. You can so easily cut just so much make work BS. And coming out when I went for the Senate Judiciary Committee, I'd been coming from

a law firm in New York where I don't know if they do this here, but we have billable hours where you actually so horrifying. You actually have to account for your day, how much time you spent on each case. So no chit-chatting around the water cooler. Then you're staying an extra hour that day. And the difference in, you know, the intense work and being aware of how much you're working at a law firm versus government work where 90% of the day is watching TV and chit-chatting around the water cooler.

So you know, start with cutting all that. So I figured someone as incredibly efficient and high IQ and productive as Elon and all the people who work for him would get to Washington and their heads would explode. So I'm not surprised his head exploded. And I agreed with him. But I mean, you can't blame Trump alone. It's the members of Congress. They have to get reelected. And they have people in their districts who are still making their entire salary from impact aid.

And that's a worrying thing, though, because like I said before, this is existential. If you don't deal with it, which no president has wanted to do for a very, very long time,

what's going to happen is we're going to go bankrupt.

Yes. Yes. And I think in a way we're a little worse off than you are because there's so much cockiness in the US about, well, we're the world's reserve currency. OK, but still, you know, most of the money we're collecting in taxes is going to pay interest on the debt. Fantastic. What a deal.

I mean, I think Doge is the model for how to do it. And you need someone, I don't know, with a personality like Trump, maybe JD, when he's president. It needs to be a big national movement. That's what Reagan did to cut taxes, which I was mad that Trump never did for the wall and immigration stuff.

Reagan got a Democratic Congress to cut taxes. Now, that's only half of it. Everybody likes that. You gotta get the spending. But he did it by giving a fireside address Congress to cut taxes. That's only half of it. Everybody likes that. You got to get the spending. But he did it by giving a fireside address from the Oval Office.

And you'd, one, in a landslide, speak to the people who voted for him. They agree with him. But it can't, you can't just count on each senator or congressman to be brave and vote against people in his district. It has to be a big national movement. Everybody's got to cut back. This is what's going to happen if we don't.

And I think if you had, if you made it a national cause that you're cutting out, you're cutting everything, you're cutting everything, because otherwise a cut is a reduction in the rate

of growth.

That's what they call a cut in Washington. And it's just never gonna get done.

And it's so interesting to see, because it's become quite apparent to me that he isn't gonna do that. But also, his tenure is looking to start, to starting to look a little bit more wobbly, particularly with the Epstein thing.

Mm-hmm.

True. So let's talk about that.

I don't know what that noise was, but someone's excited.

So what is going on with the Epstein thing? Does it have long-term implications for the Trump presidency? And where are the MAGA base on that at the moment?

Most of the MAGA base, God, God bless them, even the cultists they want.

And sorry to interrupt, Sir Lynch, who are the cultists? What are you talking about?

The ones who didn't care that he didn't build the wall.

They just think there's a big portion of Trump's following that see him as a cult leader, basically.

Shockingly, I did not think this when I wrote in Trump We Trust, I have a section on how nobody likes the guy for his personality. Of course, they're voting for his policies. It was the basket of policies I've been waiting my whole life for a Republican to run on. I'm totally for the tariffs. Bring manufacturing back to the US one way.

Both Republicans and Democrats have screwed over the working and the middle class, no more stupid wars, and build the wall to deport illegals. And we couldn't get that, we couldn't get any of that from any Republican. So it was 100% the issues for me. But I mean, since then, I've noticed that, yeah, there's some people. It's enough that he, and okay, I'm sympathetic to this, but it's enough that he really, really annoys the left. And I like that. Don't get me wrong. They've lost their minds. But anyway, what was I saying about the Trump cultists?

Yeah, sorry, I interrupted you. I'm just, you've used that term twice now and I'm just trying to understand who you're talking about, basically.

Certainly, my friends and I, and I would think most Americans would know what that means. It's not like something, I'm just saying that is not peculiar to me. There is, and actually the left depends on it, that, oh, Trump could do anything. He could do anything. They'll support him doing anything. Well, the first, and that's heavily been true. The first time, actually two times recently,

the MAGA base has at least for a while differed from the Orange Man. One was the strike on Iran. A lot of the MAGA base opposed it. Now, the cultists very quickly came up with an excuse to support it and put a pin in that

attack. And the other one is the Epstein stuff. And again, some of the cultists are coming up with an excuse. The thing I'd say about the MAGA base opposing the Iraq or Iran attack, and I was one of them, it actually ended up not being so bad. And I think part of the reason I loved Trump's speech after he said, it's over, we have peace

with Iran now, we're done, we just wanted to destroy the nuclear facilities, can't run the experiment twice. But I think if he hadn't gotten the pushback from the MAGA base, we might have troops and ships over there right now. And it might not yes

Well, that's the way it's always gone. Not under Trump. He's never put troops anywhere All right, when he destroyed Isis, he just bombed them and left it there, right? Yes, so I think that's the difference

I but we do have troops all over the but not because of Trump's right. No, but he hasn't pulled them back He didn't end Afghanistan. I hate, I hate to say it, sorry, Biden's the one who ended Afghanistan. And on the Epstein thing, the excuse they're using is even crazier. The ones who said at first, Mugabe,

and this is not all of them, but some of the sort of prominent one who want, they want Trump to go. Who are you talking about not naming names. Why not? It's a good point. Okay, Charlie Kirk Steve Bannon. Okay. Yeah What have they come up with BS excuses after saying one thing and then Trump totally blows them off and oh, well, it's okay

so the Epstein excuses Wall Street Journal had that absolutely repellent and completely believable page that Donald Trump wrote for Epstein's birthday book. And for those of you who are not familiar with it, so it's a drawing of a naked woman. It has this, you know, just sort of sleazy, you know,

happy birthday and may every day be filled with secrets. And then he signs his name where the naked woman's pubic hair would be. So one thing, I mean, this is not exactly out of character. You guys didn't know he was an utter vulgarian. This, you're just finding it out. He used to hang around with Jeffrey Epstein, dumped him long before I think the pedophilia stuff started. But he gave that, I mean, there was the Access Hollywood tape.

He said it, you know, he said it. A quote to The New Yorker on Jeffrey Epstein. And look, let me just say, I still wrote and stood by the book in Trump we trust. I care about policy. But just imagine, and I'm not being a prude, imagine your fathers doing any of this, saying any of this. It wasn't, he isn't admitting to sexual assault

because he said if they let you. But the quote in the New Yorker on Epstein was, some say he loves beautiful women as much as I do, except a little on the younger side. Okay, the guy's a total, the guy, Epstein, total pervert, and you're giving a quote like that and joshing about on the younger side. So, put that in a box,ter, complete, vulgarian. Not at all surprised by the sketch. Trump as usual.

It's so...

Oh, my gosh, he's an idiot. Um... Okay, say you're accused of raping a woman in Cleveland. What do you say? It was consensual. Um, what does Trump say?

I've never been in Cleveland. Now all we need is evidence that you've been in Cleveland. So what is his excuse on the birthday book thing? Which I think I mean he could have said, oh, I had an assistant write it. Jelaine, my co-conspirator with Epstein. She wrote it for us. Nobody was ever supposed to see it. She told me to

do it this way. That I would believe. But no, he says, I never do drawings. And then the next day they produce like a million drawings by him. They've been sold at auction. And by the way, they were pretty good. He's actually very talented.

Really? Yeah.

Yeah. See, this is if Trump is watching, this is the bit where he's back in love with that. He said, I'm a good drawer.

Exactly.

That might do it.

Yeah. So, so why do you think that there's been, we've had people on to talk about this a little bit. Why do you think these documents are not being released? Why do you think the investigation isn't fully transparent?

I think it's, it's 100% Trump. It's obviously not head of the FBI and his assistant. It's not Kash Patel. It's not Dan Bongino. It's probably not the attorney general, whatever her name is, Bondi. Pam Bondi. Yeah. But maybe she shouldn't have been bragging about it quite so. Maybe they should have had that chit chat before she went on TV and said, I got the files right on my desk. I got the-

This is one of the problems for MAGA, isn't it, Anne? Because they all trumpeted this as like their big reveal against the Democrats. And now they are the ones that are not releasing it.

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I wouldn't say they right wingers because the MAGA base is, I think, still pretty ginned up about it. Maybe not the ones with Podgas. I'm ginned up about it. Maybe not the ones with podcasts. I'm ginned up about it. Let me say, I don't think Trump had sex with underage girls. I also don't think he had sex with that porn star and I don't think he assaulted that woman and burgdorf Goodman. I think those

are preposterous claims. Not that I'm saying he's above board, a total gentleman, not going that far. I think his donors, I mean, it clearly was, there was, I think I may write about, this is my column this week. Oh, by the way, you can read my column, see my video on my sub stack,

unsafeanncoulter.substack.com, that's what I meant to mention. I'm really bad at promoting myself.

They're terrible. You wouldn't just randomly slip in a link to your sub stack and you'd have a podcast with no reference for it whatsoever.

Well, the column will show up right in your inbox and it's almost entirely free. But I think I may write about this is about the Epstein thing. There was an article in the New York Times or column columns in the New York Times, I don't know, this weekend, by their in-house conservative, reminding me why I never read him. But the headline was about conspiracy theories, and I have a minor interest in conspiracy theories.

I usually hate, hate, hate them, because what liberals do, they're doing right in front of us. They're hiding nothing. There's no man behind the curtain. But of course, there are a lot of true things that are dismissed as conspiracy theories.

There are conspiracies. Sometimes it's not a theory. But anyway, his article is on conspiracy theories. And he gets the Epstein thing. And oh, it's Ross Douthit. I don't even know how to pronounce his name.

Big Papist. And it is perhaps the dumbest column I've ever read. So he does this thing, which a lot of pundits do in New York. I don't know if they do it here, but it's all, they're going to be, you know, the reasonable middle ground. Both the right wing is wrong and the left wing is wrong, but here I'm gonna come out right down and let me tell you the reasonable position.

And each case, his quote reasonable position is factually false, is absurd, is compared to the left wing position. It's stupider than that. So on Epstein, I'll just mention this one quickly. The right wingers say that Jeffrey Epstein was running some sort of sex ring for the rich and powerful. Well, that's a fact. No, no, no, we know that. We have court

documents. We have witness statements. We have the girls saying that that Jeffrey made them have sex with his friends. We have that guy, what's his name, the model, the head of the modeling agency in France who's been accused. We have Leon Black in the United States. We have the head of, well, how about Prince Andrew?

That's a fact. So don't call that a right-wing conspiracy theory. And then by the way, he ends up, the column attacking the right and the left on conspiracy theories by telling us how he believes in UFOs

So, I mean what is the impact on the MAGA base Do you think that this is a mortal blow or do you think this is just something Trump is gonna ride out? Because if you take the approach of what Trump drained the swamp, this is the ultimate drain the swamp moment. This is the great reveal. This is Trump showing the corruption, deceit and perversion behind the curtain.

Yes. Yes. I hope it remains a thorn in his side. I mean, when you say the mortal blow, what precisely does that mean? He's not going to be impeached over it He's because the Democrats definitely don't want it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Trump may have his own reasons

Which are his donors I Think they don't want him to release it. I don't think he's in the files having sex with a 14 year old girl I think it's his donors who don't want it out. They're rich and powerful people I I think it's his donors who don't want it out. They're rich and powerful people. But as long as it remains a thorn in his side, and in fact I think this is part of the reason I need to keep writing about it, because since he has totally betrayed the MAGA base, and

worse than that, attacked them and called them, people who want the Epstein files out, called them idiots and saying, I people who want the Epstein files out, called them idiots and saying I don't want your support.

This is his base.

I mean, I've never seen him make such a mistake with his base. He really does think he's untouchable.

But isn't he though, Anne? Because look, look at the Iran thing, right? There were a lot of people who, there were some people who had principled opposition, other people were just having a full-blown meltdown, calling for him to be impeached, Tucker Carlson won apeshit, you know, all these Candace Owenses and all these other people, right? Stared them all down, proven ultimately completely correct on the decision he made, I would argue. The World War III predictions didn't materialize.

The US involvement didn't materialize. I say it's because we put pressure on him not to let it materialize. The US involvement didn't materialize. I say it's because we

we put pressure on him not to let it materialize. I think it's a very tenuous claim to make personally but but that's fine. My point is something else which is he saw off the critics and came out on top. That's ultimately what happened. Only

because he moved on. We stopped obsessing with Iran. I mean part of it is, at least from my perspective, it's not just that we're getting involved literally sending troops in. And again, he didn't end the war in Afghanistan. I'm sick of hearing about it. I don't want to turn on my TV and wither Iran

and this leader and that leader and Shia and Sunni. Can we get back to my country for 10 minutes here? What's going on on our border? Can we care about my country? No, we always have to be fixated on whether the Middle East and Iran and Iraq and Israel and the Palestinians and

how about Ukraine and Russia? Meanwhile, on our border, Mexicans are killing nearly 100,000 Americans a year. With the fentanyl. By the way, one thing I love about London, no pot. You can't walk 10 yards in New York City without leaking of marijuana. It's the most disgusting thing imaginable. So go London.

You really haven't traveled widely in London. I'll take you to Briggs and it'll be right up your street.

Really?

Yeah, there's plenty of pot in London.

Well, they shouldn't do it.

We'll hook you up.

It's very bad for you. Yeah. What I'm asking, well, it's interesting you mentioned, I know a lot of Americans feel that way about, you know, putting America first, which is totally understandable. Every country should put its own system. And that was his motto. Right. But now that he has secured the border, I mean, one of the interesting things is, of course, he came in on the promise of ending the conflict in Ukraine.

In one day. In one day. I never thought that was particularly likely to happen. And it hasn't happened. Likewise with Israel and Gaza, that that hasn't been settled yet. Why do you think that is?

Well, you may not have noticed this. Trump is an exaggerator.

Yeah, I have got glimpses of that every now and again.

You don't really take it to the bank. Well in the case of Russia, I mean, Putin just... I've noticed Ukraine is a much bigger issue over here than it is the bank. Well, in the case of Russia, I mean, Putin just, I've noticed Ukraine is a much bigger issue over here than it is in America. It is over and done in America. Nobody cares, they're sick of spending money.

It's just, it's going into this pit. And people keep dying, dying, dying. People would like it just to end. I think Putin realizes, and by the way, he's not Hitler, he's not going to march into Poland. He wants, he definitely wants all of Ukraine. It is historically part of Russia.

I am not defending him. He invaded the country. He shouldn't have done that. But that's what he wants. He's made it very clear.

Not all of Ukraine is historically part of Russia, but fine. I'm from Russia, so.

Where did the word for Ukraine come from?

It means borderland.

There's a Russian word and it was something like Ukray or something. I'm talking about-

Kraina, but that's a Ukrainian word. It means borderland. So Western Ukraine used to be part of Poland. Eastern Ukraine was part of Russia and southern, most of southern Ukraine.

Okay. I'm not believing you, but we'll...

You're not believing? No. Why not? What do you mean you're not believing me?

I want to go look it up. Oh, okay. Cool.

Okay. So anyway, he wants it up. Oh, OK, cool. OK.

So anyway, he wants it all.

He does.

And England and Spain, or France and Germany, aren't going to be funding Ukraine the way the US was. The US does not want to keep funding Ukraine. So I think Putin just sees this opportunity as going to keep on going. And Trump did not expect that.

He thought, let's end it. A lot of Russians are being killed. Now I think he's just moved on and doesn't care. So that's it with that one. And wait, what were we on the MAGA? Oh, Epstein.

So as long as there's a thorn in his side, he does keep giving us a lot of good stuff to try to distract the MAGA base. I mean, it's stepped up quite a bit. I mean, I've barely been keeping up with US news, but I'm reading, sort of skimming the New York Times every day. And every day it's another Christmas gift to the MAGA base. How do you mean? What do you mean by a Christmas gift? What was the one? It was a really good one today.

Oh, yeah, way less spending on global warming. That has basically just been slashed from the government. So that's today. Yesterday, okay, maybe I won't do it chronologically day by day. The other one was, and I'm shocked that no other Republican president has done this, the national parks and monuments have to take out all the anti-American crap. And the New York Times trying to scare its readers into, you know, this this massive, horrible censorship and we're losing our history. They had an article of the stuff that's being taken

out. So this is supposed to make the average reader think, oh my gosh, how can they take that out? And everyone just, it makes your head explode. I can't believe they had this in a national park. Anything about it. There was some like the horse, maybe it was the little horses in South Carolina or something, but you know, there's a description of little horses. And of course, climate change has made their habitat more difficult. Every single hero in the United States, you need a full page on what the guy thought of slavery.

John Muir, the father of our national parks, you guys probably knew, he was a big naturalist, big hero. Our national parks are beautiful. You have much more beautiful buildings. But boy, we have beautiful national parks are beautiful. You have much more beautiful buildings. But boy, we have beautiful national parks. His is said mean things about, was it even blacks?

It was Indians, our Indians, American Indians. And somebody else, maybe it was just Indians. By the Liberty Bell, there was something about, now at the time there were a lot of enslaved people. Can you please just give the history without everything being a reminder of slavery? So, okay, that's one thing. Those are all going to be removed.

Can't believe a Republican president hasn't done this before now. There's another one this week. Anyway, it's things like that you probably don't care about. No, no, no.

I find it interesting because the way he's maneuvering himself. The thing that I've always found very interesting, I actually found it quite annoying, if I'm being honest, is the way that Republicans or nobody on the right who preached about corruption and the corruption

in the Biden administration, which there was a lot of, and we don't need to go into it because we all know what it was. Yet when Trump releases his meme coin, which to me is just outrageous, everybody's like, oh, that's fine. I'm like, is it?

Can't disagree with you. I think it's hilarious. I think this is the most corrupt presidency in US history. When the money they are raking in with the NFTs and the meme coin, I mean, it is so blatant it's right in front of our eyes. And the funny thing about I'm I don't care as long as we get a wall, I mean, mass deportations.

If I have not made that clear, I don't care about anything but saving the country. And we'll deal with, you deal with future presidents being corrupt. I mean, it's corrupt in the sense that he, I should probably modify what I just said. It's corrupt in the sense that he is raking, he's using the presidency to rake in so much money,

which I believe is technically an ethics violation, but he isn't technically sounds like an ethics violation to me. But it's I think it's better than, for example, not releasing the Epstein files because I'm in a trade off with his donors. OK, give me 100 million and I won't release them. I mean, that hasn't come to light. But I'm just saying that right now he is just as far as we know,

just raking in the money to benefit himself and his family. He is pushing the MAGA policies. And I mean, I, I, I, I thought this and I think I said it publicly. I'm going on my sub stack with Mickey Kaus because he asked me, now if you liked Joe Biden's policies, would you care about this under Biden stuff? And we both agreed that I think most Americans wouldn't care if you like the policies. Because that was another one, I'm sorry, that was, sorry to interrupt, that was just to benefit the Biden family.

Okay. See, my pushback to that is corruption is a cancer. And if you let it spread, unchecked, and you do not challenge it, it permeates into every facet of society, and society eventually collapses, which is what I've seen in Venezuela. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Which is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

I think the most corrupt, actually. Yeah, Venezuela.

Congratulations.

Thank you, mate. Thank you, motor capital of the world as well, perfect. But, so when I see, I find what you're saying, Anne, as a Republican and as a conservative, quite shocking, if I'm being honest, because if we don't challenge corruption at

the helm and the highest possible echelon, you're basically giving it a free pass, aren't

you? No, I agree with that in principle, and you're totally nailing me on it, and I'm probably blushing now. But our country is so much further gone than yours is. I thought when I wrote Adios America in 2015 about immigration, not just illegal immigration, all immigration, since 1970 we have been hauling in the third world hand over fist.

I mean 80, 90% of our legal immigrants are from the third world. Yeah, try to immigrate from Western Europe. It was a specific design by the Democrats to change the country more in their favor and happened to wreck the country at the same time. We're down to, I mean this is something else that we can look up and get the actual number on. We're down to, I mean, from like 1620 up until 1970, the country was 80 to 90 percent white, 10 to 20 percent black. That, those are foundational Americans and the 1970 population overwhelmingly traced its

ancestry back to colonial times. We're now down to, well, it's about 13% black, so that hasn't changed that much. We're now down to, I think, around 57% white Americans. And by the way, they include a lot of Hispanics in white. And people always talk about, and I'm sorry, but the president of Singapore was right.

People do vote their ethnicity. The Democrats were right. Bringing in third world immigrants got them a lot of votes. You know, maybe we can change in the future. Maybe, maybe, it takes about 100 years.

Wait, didn't Hispanics break for Trump this election?

Nope, nope.

Big fat lie, they went a little bit more for the Republican. It's like the rate of growth in the government Yeah, no, it was a huge cut rate of growth. No, no was it. What was the breakdown?

I don't remember off the top of my head

It was more than usual and there are a few areas where it seemed to matter I forget what it was, but it was absolutely not a majority. It was a big move I think Hispanic men might have slightly made it. But meanwhile white males between the ages of 18 and 25 90% Trump voters. No, that's a good demographic for us

So people always talk about and maybe it's probably the same here, but how politics will swing There's a pendulum back and forth and you know, it'll seem like Republicans totally on the upswing. Well, you get, you know, FDR, liberal, liberal, liberal, then we get Reagan, it seems like they're going to be around forever. And then Obama, oh my gosh, Republican Party is finished. And it seems to swing back and forth. But I mean, in the 1950s, which I wrote about with the communist stuff and Alger Hiss and and Joe McCarthy If I had lived in those times, I would have thought the country's over our

Government is streaming with spies for Stalin That would have looked pretty bad to me and then you know in the Alger Hiss not Alger Hiss Whitaker Chambers said I've I'm moving from the Communist Party to the side of truth and God, and I'm moving from the winning side to the losing side. He's kind of a pessimistic fellow.

But no, in the end, the losing side won. So you would think you'd have more hope that you do have the pendulum swinging and it is crazy as it gets. But that was with a different population. Reagan wouldn't win one, two landslides now with the new demographics. Look at California for your future America. California gave us, until Trump, our two greatest Republican presidents,

Richard Nixon and Donald Trump. You can't get elected dog catcher in that state anymore without being a Democrat and far left progressive Democrat. I met a girl, I hope she doesn't listen to this because she really annoyed me, here in London. I sat next to her at a dinner and she's, you know, big social conservative.

I'm big social conservative. I'm pro-life. I'm the whole nine yards. But she was saying that no, she's not worried about immigration because the third worlders, you know, the Mexicans and the Muslim, they're voting against trans and they're against abortion. And I said, OK, go to California and get your pro-life bill through and then I'll say it can be done.

Yeah, they're Catholics that are technically anti-abortion, but they don't vote on it. They vote for for government benefits. So is that the real reason why you are...

Because the statement that people always say with America is that it's a nation of immigrants.

That's complete bullshit. It is used to destroy our country. It is not a nation of immigrants. It was invented by liberals to help destroy our country. It is a nation of British settlers. Thank you very much. And it remains a country of, well, Dutch. They didn't settle. They were more traders. Whereas, thank God for England's primogenitor law,

where the firstborn son gets everything, which I guess you have to do on a small little island or states get broken up. But because of that, you have all these really smart second and third born sons, and they're just SOL. You have the smart girls, and they don't get anything either. So we got a lot of the really, really smart, smart British people who came over and founded what King George called that Presbyterian War. The country was overwhelmingly British, Presbyterian. You had the Dutch in New York, but like I say, they were traders.

And as an example of immigration overwhelming, the Dutch, and so many British came in that the Dutch sort of lost their influence, but a lot of stuff is named after them, very important. Then I think a fair number of Germans came over.

But are there more Germans though? This is what I have been...

Over time, yeah. They used to be the largest ethnic group, though I think that's a little bit fake because people who are descended from the British don't call themselves. I'm an English immigrant. I mean, mean like me I just call myself an America, right?

well, and Isn't the point that people are trying to make by the people say this about Britain Britain's a nation of immigrants Then that actually is often raging that that is silly and I've done articles on my sub stack and videos about it But with America don't isn't what people mean is that everyone who currently lives in America came from somewhere else. So it's less perhaps abnormal or surprising that more people are coming from somewhere else to America. I've traveled in America, I've probably been to at least half of the states. My sense was always that Americans are much more pro-immigration

than British people are. They're very against- Not anymore. They're very against illegal immigration as I think they're right to be. But I don't get the sense that they're not pro-immigration. Do you see what I mean?

Yes, yes, yes. Point one, the idea that, and absolutely you travel, and it's, what was it not, where majority white is barely hanging on by its fingernail. So yes, it's happened.

But when you say nation of immigrants, it sounds like, you know, this is like a founding principle. No, this is how Teddy Kennedy and the Democrats changed the country beginning in 1970. So, I mean, you can take a really expensive bottle of wine and pour vinegar in it and then say, this wine sucks. It's a bottle of wine and pour vinegar in it and then say,

this wine sucks. It's a bottle of vinegar. Well, no, it wasn't. It was a bottle of wine. You poured vinegar in it. And that doesn't make it a bottle of vinegar.

And you are absolutely right, much to my absolute blinding fury, that yes, they distinguish between legal immigrants, as Trump says. We love legal immigrants, just not illegal immigrants. And I mean, that was a big part of my book, Adios America. It wasn't about illegal immigrants. It's about immigrants.

What they mean when they say this, I know this is what they mean, pre-1970 immigrants and post-1970 immigrants. What they mean when they say this, I know this is what they mean, pre-1970 immigrants and post-1970 immigrants, because they're thinking of, I mean, the immigrants that came end of the 18th century, end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th century, no, they were fantastic. Those were all still Western Europeans. So a lot of them, that's only a few generations back. So a lot of them are thinking of, you know, their grandparents who came from Ireland or Germany or Italy.

That's who they're thinking of when they say legal immigrants. They don't realize that the only difference in, I mean, Biden made a joke of it by saying, okay, illegal immigrants massing at our border, peasants with no skills, inability to speak English, who are instantly going to go on welfare, mug us, kill us, drive drunk, rape little girls. No, you can come in legally.

Biden just did that. So they're legal immigrants. It's the same people. It's about 85% third world. And yes, we can take people from anywhere and assimilate them. But for one thing, assimilation is a bad word now. They act like, you know, it's hate speech to try to assimilate people. They live in their little, I mean, they're basically creating their own, their own ghettos within

the United States up in Dearborn, Michigan. They have signs in Arabic. And, you know, I like a lot of them. My senator was from Michigan, but that's crazy. In Somali, in Minnesota, all the Somalians, they absolutely only vote for a Somalian, the U.S. representative from that area, Ilhan Omar. She gives speeches. You see this huge mass of Somalians, and she's saying, I'm here to represent the Somalian

people.

You're supposed to be representing America now, and that's a big problem with bringing in... You can't bring them in in a title wave like that. You have to bring them in bit by bit, get them accustomed to American ways, which is the way of the wasp.

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and has assimilated, where you said you wouldn't vote for him because he's Indian.

Yeah, for president. I didn't say I wouldn't vote for him. I said he could be, you know, senator. He's running for Senate now.

Why? Why? He's he was born in America, right?

Yes.

Why wouldn't you vote for him for president?

Look up all the presidents of India. Have they ever had a non-Indian president? Why no, they haven't. Has Israel ever had a non-Israeli president? Why is my country the only country that is supposed to have, oh no, anybody can get on our country.

Had an Indian prime minister.

Yeah, I don't think it went that well. And that was fairly recent.

It was fairly recent and it didn't go well, but it wasn't because he was Indian. Okay. It's because his party is useless.

I wouldn't have voted for him because he's Indian. I think, and by the way, we have a natural born citizen clause for that. I mean, there is, as I explained to Vivek in his podcast, that was a real, it really started off with a bang on that one. It was a rash decision at the last minute. All my friends oppose, and I think a lot of you, oppose Vivek because they think of him as a scam artist and a con man. And I'm just thinking, well, I can't say that to him. I wouldn't vote for him because

he's Indian. Let's throw that one out. But I explained this to him at the time. There's a reason we have the national born citizen clause for president. There is an idea, and I think people feel it even more now, because of the mass of immigrants from very, very different cultures. America, I mean, like Britain, like most countries, I guess, it has a very distinctive culture.

We are the freest country in the world. Free speech is in our bones. The right to bear arms is in our bones. And when polls are taken, no matter how nice they are, immigrants overwhelmingly do not support free speech and gun rights.

I mean, those are just two examples.

But doesn't Vivek support free speech and gun rights?

The point is still the same. And that is, there is the idea that over generations, it's in your bones, this is in your blood, you would die for this country. It's just second nature to believe in the right to bear arms. And yeah, immigrants can pick this up. Look, I told him I'd vote for his kids if they married an American.

But he is an American, isn't he?

Yeah, he is, but he's an Indian American. He is a second generation immigrant.

Okay, but what the rule about the natural...

No, I'm using that as an analogy. Otherwise I wouldn't have had to say that. I could have just said you're not natural born. Ted Cruz isn't natural born. I wouldn't have to explain. This is an analogy that it matters how deep your connection is to a very distinctive culture.

But you said that's because there's certain things that are embedded in the culture, like being in favor of the First Amendment, being in favor of the second. But Vivek is in favor of all those things, and you still wouldn't quote him.

Well, he says that.

I want it in their bones. I want the wives to believe it. I want it generation after generation after generation. I don't want it to have to be something they need to study and figure out this is what they're supposed to say about it.

But aren't there loads of white Americans who don't believe in either of those amendments?

Sure.

But you would-

A lot. No, that's not true. No. Aren't there a lot? No. The answer is no, no, no.

The people who support... There's a lot of white Californians who don't believe in either of those amendments.

Yeah, and a majority do. And a majority of no other ethnic group does. And a majority of no other ethnic group does.

But surely wouldn't the position be, Anne, is to take everybody on their own individual merits. Isn't that just the way it should...

Does everybody get to be president?

If you're born in the country and you're an American citizen, then you should have the chance, shouldn't you? Isn't that the American dream?

Tell Netanyahu, tell the Israelis. As soon as they put in a president who's not an Israeli, I will say you guys are absolutely right. Judge people on their own.

But he isn't an American. He is an American. It's not like he's just come over and then assumed the mantle.

There are Muslim Israelis. Right. And they serve in the Supreme Court and they can be elected

president. They won't be elected president. But they can be. Well, OK, but I'm not saying there should be a constitutional amendment. I say I won't vote for that person. And, you know, damn well Israelis are not voting for a Muslim president because they don't want to, just as Anne doesn't want to. Which is, look,

I mean, that is fair. And if you don't want to, you don't want to. I think the question that I want to ask, therefore, is, is MAGA just a one-term thing? Is this just going to be a one-term flash in the pan, built around the cult of Trump? Or is this going to be something longer lasting?

Not a chance that it will be one term. When I describe the MAGA cult, I don't know what percentage of Trump voters just like that he, the way he talks, like I say, his personality as opposed to his policies. But a lot of people care about the policies. And my proof of that is 2016 was at least the third time Donald Trump ran for president. This is the first time he talked about immigration and swept the primaries.

And by the way, if you look, I mean, I described this in Trump We Trust, you look at that opening speech coming down the escalator, he talked about a lot of stuff. The Mexican rapist thing was like 8% of the opening speech. It could have been about Obamacare. It could have been about guns. It could have been about-

I mean, those words do tend to stand out.

I think a lot of them. I think you can find a lot of them that stand out. When he, I mean, attacking Jeb Bush, saying your father lied us into war. The reason, the reason, I mean, he was lucky, the entire media, the entire Republican Party, the entire Democratic Party, I mean, of the elites opposed him on that. But the people were for him on that. So the more the media attacks him, the more they were doing his PR for him by

advertising his single most popular policy. And even though it didn't take bravery, it took, you know, not being a moron to start pick up the popular policy. It made him look brave. So no immigration. And when he got elected this time, New York Times ran a poll, and there were a million polls showing the same thing, but I'm saying this is a statement against interest because the New York Times is very liberal. They ran a big poll.

Most Americans, a majority, didn't like his personality, didn't like him personally, but they overwhelmingly supported him on immigration, expressly mass deportations. It's a popular issue. Even though Republicans like Rubio, who pushed an amnesty and was, oh, the most beloved Republican over at Fox News, where they love amnesty. Every Republican, when Trump ran in 2016, every Republican supported amnesty.

At the very end, Cruz, the closest to him, I'd say, ideologically flipped. Now all of them, amazingly, Rubio, whom I hated, hated, hated for being this beloved amnesty pusher, man, he sounds like adios America now. He could be quoting straight from my book. So Republicans have flipped. They've figured it out. You know what I bet it will be like? I hope this doesn't end up being a problem. So Reagan runs on tax cuts. Tax is the highest tax rate back then. This may be nothing to you guys, but it was like 78 percent. That's quite a lot. So I mean, that's for each dollar above a

certain amount. But still, that's a huge amount. Seventy eight percent. So he runs on cutting taxes. And, you know, unlike Trump's first term, he kept his promises slashes taxes. Now, since then, my idiot Republican Party keeps running on cutting taxes, but the only difference in a Republican president and a Democrat president on taxes, and look, I'm for it. I'm for tax cuts. It's always good. But it's like 34 percent versus 39 percent. It's not just 50 percent, 60 percent, 78 percent. So Reagan won the argument on that. I won. I think if anything,

we would see the Democrats coming around on immigration as some of the liberal parties

in Europe have done in order to win. Really? So you think, like, for instance, Gavin Newsom would go out and talk about limiting him I mean he's got no integrity and he would do whatever it takes to win so actually you've made my argument for me. But I just see the Dems as being so ideologically compromised, like they know what they need to do. Do they?

Do they?

Do they? I see the Dems as being like Jehovah's Witnesses, they know that they? Do they?

I see the Dems as being like Jehovah's Witnesses. They know that they can, they need to take the blood transfusion in order to save themselves, but they can't do it for a rigid...

Yeah, but they've got principles. They've got, you know, they've got a greater purpose in life, right? And their purpose is, you know, to save the poor illegal immigrants and the trans kids and whatever, right? Yeah.

They can't go back on that.

Just like the Jehovah's Witnesses.

I think they can. I don't know that they will. It's hard to imagine right now, I admit it. But there are two reasons I think they can. One, until they noticed that the post-1970 immigrants were voting for them, a lot of Democrats were as tough as I am on immigration.

Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader for a while, Democrat from Nevada. He gave a blistering speech on anchor babies. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, both from California, absolutely hardcore on immigration because it was hitting California first.

Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama. I have a whole chapter in my book basically listing left-wing American politicians talking about immigration. Yes. And they were to the right of Donald Trump, all of them.

Yes. Yes.

Bernie Sanders. Well, to the right of 2016 Trump.

Right.

Right. And Bernie Sanders, when he ran in 2016. He said he drives down American workers wages Which it does and then he flipped. Yeah, because he went back to the mothership and no no, they're voting for us But okay, so that's one point they they have believed

But the difference is now the people are different Ilhan Omar and AOC are never gonna come out against immigration true

so the immigrants won't but the other Democrats the reason they might is to take Ilhan Omar as an example. So the mayor of Minneapolis, total leftist freak boy. He was the one you may have seen this weeping like a baby in front of George Floyd's gold casket. Yeah, I remember, yeah. Just an absolute soy boy pussy on this. Well, guess what?

They just had the Democratic primary and he lost to a Somali. And, you know, a seed took the place. And I wrote about this in, maybe I was just arguing with my producers. Anyway, I read my own books on audiobook and I'm sitting in the studio arguing with the producers, the producer and his daughter, I guess during our lunch break. I think it came up in one of my books that this is the end of the white Democrats.

You guys are so screwed. It's over. And there was this, I think his name was Thomas Crowley, long time Irish have dominated the is the end of the white Democrats. You guys are so screwed. It's over. And this there was this I think his name was Thomas Crowley, long time Irish have dominated the Democratic Party, congressman and AOC runs and it was a wipeout. So there and he isn't the only one. Democrats are losing their positions. They made they made a slight miscalculation.

We'll bring in all these third worlders and they'll vote for us. It never occurred to them that the third worlders might want our run for office and they block vote for their ethnicity. So ha, ha, ha, Democrats.

The one thing that's interesting with the Democrats is looking at what's happened in New York with Mandani, is that his name? It's very hard to pronounce because in English there's no word that has an M followed by a D. the same type of rhetoric being used over here, which is this very hardcore, very leftist, old school leftist, I would say, which isn't about identity politics. It's going right down to the argument of economics. It's talking about billionaires. It's talking about us and them. It's talking about inequality Would it not be smart for the Democrats to actually attack using that type of policy and that type of rhetoric?

Yes, but only in places like New York. It will not work out in America the working class is Definitely done with the Democrats. I think it works in New York, and that's a very smart point, because the people actually voting for Mamdani aren't the poor, it's the rich elites.

They're totally down with the Communist Manifesto.

So you say it's only gonna be the rich elites who are going to be put, who are susceptible to voting for that particular type of narrative.

Well, blacks in New York, for example, overwhelmingly voted for Cuomo and he's a complete horse's ass. So, you know, they had to overcome a lot to vote for him.

That's really interesting. So you don't see that as being in, because in the UK that narrative as we see with the cost of living crisis, as we see, you know, the...

Everything is a crisis in Britain. Whenever there's any kind of problem, it's a crisis. Exactly. Cost of living crisis, housing crisis, energy crisis, climate crisis, welfare crisis, border

crisis, everything is a crisis. So essentially, maybe that taps more into the kind of the British mind, but it seems more and more that over here, that kind of talking, those talking points and that rhetoric

is becoming normalized, but you don't see that as being an issue in the United States? No, that's a really smart point and I think it is the difference, a difference, between us and not only England but all these European countries where the far left, the communist left, they actually did have the working class voting for them and I'm pretty sure that's true of labor over here. Oh yeah, that's never been true in the US. Reagan, it was a hard hat revolution during when Nixon was president and you had all the, you know, anti-war protesters and anti-Nixon protesters, even though he's the one who ended

the war. It was the hard hats who came out into New York City and beat up the hippies. And one, Lindsay, Mayor Lindsay, very left-wing mayor of New York, damn, I forget who it was. Some lefty died and he put the flag at half mast and the hardhat guys climbed up the flagpole and raised it to the top of the mast. They have not been putting up with this nonsense

for a long time. And in fact, one of my now conservative friends was a lefty in the 60s and with some cult-like groups. And their objective was to get the working class to support the left wing because it had not happened before in the US. And he says, I went in to change the working class and they changed me.

And he became a huge Reaganite right winger. But our working class is not left wing.

Are you hopeful for the future of America? Because when we were talking on Saturday, you showed more optimism for the UK, which I found baffling,

if I'm being honest. That's tourist eyes, mate. That's what that is. That's tourist

eyes. Sorry. That's tourist eyes. No, I am. I am more optimistic for you guys. I mean, I wish you could get Farage in a little sooner. This four year thing is really annoying. When I wrote Adios America, I wrote it in 2015. And back then I thought this country is so over, but maybe we have a 10% chance of saving it.

And it's my country. I love it. It's worth writing this book. And then thank God Trump read it and picked it. And boy, that Mexican rapist stuff is that all over Adios America.

And the day he was inaugurated, I thought my, and I was emailing with Stephen Miller and the other few simpatico people, saying suddenly our hope has gone from 10% to 90% to save the country. And then we got term one and it didn't do anything.

And everyone, you know, down. And also, Biden brought in 20 million new illegal aliens. We already had about 40 million. And what are the chances now? I don't know. Let's see if Trump and the other Republicans can keep their promises.

But I think you guys are way better off. You just have to do the right stuff. Like elect Farage.

Well, I think the problem is you say do the right stuff. I look at Kirstalmann, I don't think that's going to happen. And he's going to be in power for four years. Now, if he's actually going to make it through those four years, I think it's a big question.

Even though we do tend to have very rigid rules, there could be an earlier election. It depends on what happens.

That would be fantastic.

And why do you like Farage so much?

Well, he's a leader of Brexit. He's been responsible for a long time. I went to one of his press conferences this week, and he's very good on his feet, had great answers for everything, also very good on free speech. With that, he was attacking that safety act, which instantly started showing up

in my internet feed, by the way.

It's unbelievable.

You're the mother country. You're supposed to believe in free speech. But wait, what was it? Oh, how about wasn't Trump's advice to Starmer hilarious? He's telling him basically to do everything Farage is recommending. Yeah, I mean, and then he for him for good measure, he gave a few swipes against our mayor. I love that. But I loved him acting like he's just talking like Starmer is

going to take it. You got to cut off the boat. You got to send them home in the safety act, cut taxes as if he's just, you know, putting his arm around him, giving him some good brotherly

advice. Do you know what I'm talking about? We'll listen very carefully. Take it under advisement before an answer is a final question at the end of the interview, make sure to head over to our

sub stack. The link is in the description where you'll be able to see this.

You're the only public figure I've seen point out on Bill Maher's show that when the media doesn't announce a suspect's race in the headline, we know the suspect is not white. This trend is so obvious and so racist. Why has no one else spoken out about it?

Do you think history will come to see Elon Musk as a tragic

patriot? What is your prediction for the candidates in the 2028

race?

J.D. Definitely J.D.

And on the Democrats?

Oh, my gosh, they are so screwed.

And we're going to head over to Ask Upstack in a second where our audience get to ask you their questions. You've requested questions with the C word against you. So we'll do as many of those as we can.

Well, I was just saying you don't need to edit them.

Well, now we certainly won't if there are any. But before we head on over there, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we

should be? probably enough to bore your audience, my number one topic the most. And then we covered my second most favorite topic, Epstein. It doesn't have to be politics, it can be

absolutely anything. Oh, there's Sidney Sweeney. That's fantastic. I was asking my guys earlier today, because I've not been very well last week. I've taken a week off the internet mainly. And then I came back and basically, correct, explain this to me, right? What happened is this jeans company put a blonde girl with big

tits. Not exactly that. I think you're just demeaning it. She's a pretty all-American girl.

That's what I'm saying. Great. I'm all in favor of that. I don't think it's the big tits. I mean, that's a very female saying. Great. I'm all in favor of that. But I don't think it's the big tits. That's a very female perspective. But anyway.

Let's be honest. The boobs do play a massive part of it.

Let's not zero in on the tits. Not if you had Kamala Harris's face. I was unnecessarily crass. They put an attractive blue-eyed blonde girl on a jeans ad and they said she's got great jeans, playing on the word jeans, and everyone said they're Nazis.

Is that what happened?

Yep.

No, not everyone. The, you know, so moderate and normal Democratic Party.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't even understand the leap of logic exactly. Is being blonde and blue eyed, I mean, you're... Nah, I see where they're going.

Exactly.

Well, what's funny, I'm doubly, quadruply funny about this is basically since George Floyd there have been no blonde models, zero. Every TV commercial, every magazine commercial, it's just black, black, blackity black, black, black, black. And you know, it's 13% of the population. They're just begging people to say what the F so they can say, Oh, does that offend you? No, but it's weird. It's just weird to say, I mean, why not have, you know, every ad with a one legged man. It's, it's just weird that they're obsessed with this.

And now for the first time, and if they would have someone who wasn't obviously black, it would have to be this neutral, could be Hispanic, could be Asian.

Yeah, there's this racially ambiguous category now. That's the one that-

But not blonde.

Yeah, I see.

Can not be blonde. Yeah, but why does that make them Nazis? Like, I don't get it. Because the Democratic Party learned so much from the 2024 election. Yeah, they really have. Let's try to be normal. We're trying. We're trying. Let's head over

to Substack where our audience are going to call our names. See you there. Which is a

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