#81 - EL CROMAS: La Confesión Más Dura de Su Vida | Roca Project

I think this interview will surprise a lot of people. I see you with a Kleenex all the time, since you came in.

Because I need it.

This is related to a very serious problem that you come to face.

I told my mother, I don't want to live like this anymore.

You have millions of followers and you take a step forward to say, I have this problem. What is the point in your head for this, which for generations would have been a problem that is lived in silence, to take and make it public?

It is a rectal prolapse. My mother has gone through a time that I don't know how she has done it. Thanks to everything that has happened to her, I think I have also done it.

Explain why.

I don't believe it. I don't see it. I didn't expect it.

Is this the first time you've told this? I've never done it. And there's something else that I think is returning in your generation, which is spirituality. To believe that there is something more, to believe in God, that you believe in this. We live in the era of posturing. But what if I had the days counted? Look how much money I earn per month.

I'll show you how to earn 10k. You'll be amazed by the piece of car I bought. It cost me 400,000 euros. And look at what a piece of trip I'm having in the Maldives. What a great tribute that you can't afford, by the way. It's good to celebrate things, it's healthy, in fact, on a mental level.

But when lives become a false device in which everything seems perfect and unattainable. The only thing we cause in the rest of the people who see us is envy and unhappiness. However, I think there is a change. We see more and more people on social networks and other platforms who begin to show their lives as it is, their lights, but also their shadows, which connects us with them.

There is really a transformation. Before we worshiped perfection and now we value vulnerability. That false shell is slowly becoming a mirror in which, luckily, we can also see ourselves reflected. We have a society that goes from the opposite to the real, more and more. And today I have with me a person who is an example of this.

He is a young boy, a kid, as many adults would say, who practices this type of communication. He has millions of followers, but he has no problem showing his problem, let's say, redundancy, showing things that have value and doing it from nature.

And he belongs, by the way, to this Z generation so misunderstood for adults and so badly seen by many of us. So today I have the opportunity to take a closer look at this way of seeing the world to understand it and, if possible, to learn it too. That's why today and now I have with me David Triay, better known as El Cromas in Roca Project.

Welcome.

Here we are.

How are you? Wow, this is like... Think that I see you... without knowing that... I mean, I'll explain. I'm already worried. Of course, I... This for me...

I've been thinking about this for days.

How cool.

And now I'm on that. And I say, I'm sure I'll get drunk. But well... I'm sure I'll get drunk. I've always loved watching podcasts. Podcats?

Podcats? Potscats? You can call it whatever you want, because it's not a good way to say it.

I've always loved watching podcasts. And you know, there's been a pandemic of podcasts. I was like, I saw you, but I didn't really know why. And it's like, there's something about you, about your podcast, that was different. Like, it was hooking me.

And you didn't know I was a minor like you?

No, I didn't know. But they told me later, my parents. But it's that. There was something that attracted me in your podcasts. And I couldn't stop thinking about why. And knowing it, I think it was months after I found out that my parents were listening to me, I mean, they were listening to you, and I was like, damn, there's something here,

I don't know what, that attracts us. And not even knowing that you were from Menorca, that's another causality.

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I see you first with a Kleenex. All the time, since you came in.

I have diapers all the time. Not because I want to, but because I need it. Basically, I accumulate mucus here in my throat. If I don't make the noise, I can't get it out. And that's why I can't drink saliva either. For example, the most common thing, I can't get it out. And that's why I can't drink saliva. For example, the most common thing,

eating quietly, I can't do it. I mean, I eat, I bite an apple, I chew it, I swallow it, being a minute without spitting or not getting a mucus is impossible.

Does this have to do with a very serious problem?

Totally.

That you come to tell us. It has to do with a very serious problem that you are telling us.

It has to do with... Of course, they are looking at this thanks to the rehabilitator that is helping me with the other problem, which is a rectal prolapse.

Ok, let's explain what a rectal prolapse is.

A rectal prolapse, to be clear, point, is when you poop, or when you go to the bathroom, or sometimes there are people who at any moment, you get the rectum, what is the intestine, it comes out.

Yes, yes. When it comes out, it's not that it's a bit of a joke, what are we talking about? No, no, we're talking about a fist. That you get a fist of intestine for the anus.

Wow. But the surgeons I went to Menorca, six in total were more or less, everyone said they were hemorrhoids. My life was getting out of bed, going to the bathroom, three hours,

suffering, getting out with a pain that, I mean, I don't know how I put up with it, I mean, I analyze serious. I analysed it and I was like... I was shocked. My feeling of calm was when I was sleeping and I was waking up. And I told my mother, I don't want to go to the bathroom because I'm scared.

I don't want to live like this anymore. And that's it. I don't want to say that I wanted to die, but it was the feeling of't want to live anymore. They had to send me to Mallorca because in Menorca they didn't know how to do it. At my age, this is so unusual that there are no studies. It usually happens only in babies or there are people who are older.

So for the surgeon you are an atypical case, right?

Totally. And then in Mallorca, what does the surgeon tell you when he sees you? With the tests, he saw that I couldn't operate yet because I had what is the pelvic floor, which is the set of muscles that control when you go to the bathroom. I don't know very well because I'm not a doctor, but it's like what controls when you go to the bathroom, you do tracks.

The sphincters and everything.

That. Yes. And I had it fatal. If they operated on me, having it fatal, the consequences... I mean, the operation didn't help me at all because it would keep coming out. Sure. They can't operate on me yet because I'm on the waiting list, because they prioritize people who have cancer.

The operation is called rectopexia ventral laparoscopic, and basically, they stick the rectum, what comes out, in the coccyx, in the back bone, with a mesh. And in part I'm lucky that this happens to me at this age because the cell recovery is very fast.

Of course, you are at the best time to recover. Behind all this that you tell, which is a story that no one would like to live, and I'm sure that many people of different ages have gone through it, there is something differential in you, and that is that you have millions of followers and you take a step forward to say, Hey, gentlemen, I have this problem, and this problem is this, this and this,

and it affects me like this way and that way. And my life is what it is. When I'm bad, I'm bad. If I'm good, I'm good. But David Triay, the Chromash, has this problem. Millions of people see it. What is the point in your head for this, which for generations... ...would have been a problem that is lived in silence, to make it public.

The point where I said, I have to say it, was, in fact, I said it in November, it seems,

or in October.

Yes, yes, I saw that video, yes.

Not many months ago.

Yes, in fact, it has 20 million views.

20 million views, that video.

I didn't like it much. I didn't think they would say, how embarrassing. It's like, I don't know, I break a leg, I say it too. It's not something that...

It doesn't give me a break. In fact, I've made a video about the Mocos before. It's like... I haven't made a taboo about this, but I think we shouldn't do it either. Because it's not perfect.

Perfect, but this is a paradigm shift. That you think it's not bad to share is a model shift.

I didn't say it because I thought it would be cured soon. But when I said there was no evolution and that it was getting worse, and what I told you, that the surgeon who was being cured in two or six months was going to tell me, I said...

David, but we are in a... You are aware that society does not talk about intimate parts. It does not talk about what is very private, it does not talk about what is disgusting, it does not talk about what is shameful. This is a scourge that we continue to live. It's disgusting. It's shameful. We're still living in a hell. Your generation, Z, so criticized, is making a change in that sense, so that we can be what we are.

Yes, in fact, in social media, especially the lifestyle influencers, do you know what that is?

Yes, lifestyle, yes.

Yes, it's like they tend to show a life that is perceived as very perfect. Yes, ideal. And that is more false than a 250-dollar bill. That's not like that. And I think that also affects a little.

Yes. And what was the response of the people? I mean, 20 million more, which is more, is a great response from the people.

Totally.

When you say, hey, I'm going to talk about what no one else is talking about, how many people have encouraged you, or, hey, I also have that problem?

If I don't tell you the 100%, I'll tell you 99%, because maybe I'm a bit loose, but I tell you that practically everyone is like that. In fact, what you say, thanks to that, I think that many people have let go. They've let go because, of course, it's like... Because, I mean, I broke a leg like that and I have a problem with my right ankle. In the end, it's a problem and...

Great question. Why?

There's no reason.

Because I guess that culturally it is seen badly. For me, no.

Well, because we come from a culture that rewards the perfect.

Sure.

But the perfect disconnects, the imperfect connects you. That is the new communication line. Totally. You know? Now we are going to go to the part that is incomprehensible. For example, kids your age, who seem to have changed a bit, but some haven't changed that much.

They look a lot more like my generation. I still hear them in groups on the street, Maricón, I don't know what, I still imagine you too. You say that he has changed, he has changed something.

He has changed a part part but not everything. More than a fag, let's say that, well, on the street, I don't know, but on social networks, yes, I believe it, but on social networks, it's like, the joke has always been made that being gay is wrong. I do see that very badly, although I think that really, every time you ask him, what do you think of gays? And he says, nothing. But I always see those comments. In fact, there was a joke, now I have heard it less, but, whoever moves is gay.

It's like, what's going on?

Yes.

You know?

Well, because now the theory is what it is, but practice is still deficient. We don't respect ourselves that much in that sense.

Yeah.

It's a change of mouth more than of actions.

Yes, totally.

The incomprehensible part of that, those who haven't changed yet, have you had hate too for sharing this? Or maybe not in social media, but in everyday life. People who, well, show you some rejection.

I've been aware of that. I've never experienced hate.

No.

Zero. I've never experienced hate.

That says something.

It's the complete opposite. Have you ever seen a comment like that? A loose one, like, maybe you're too happy. and people respond to you like, what's wrong with saying it? That's the only comment that has come out of the area.

But I tell you that it is one in a thousand.

There are several studies that say that people of your generation have more suicidal ideas, you are more prone to self-destruction, right? To those ideas. Mental health problems. In fact, there have been many cases. There is an increase. This is a topic that we should deal with. You have had a hard time with this.

Totally. I told you before, if my day was at my age, if what you do is go out with friends, enjoy, do things, you don't know what frustrated me was to be in bed and know, even more, that there are people who know me a lot. Of course, I've always wanted to do things constantly, I'm a mind that likes to create,

if that, creating, I guess you too, you're very creative. So, the frustration I had was, what am I doing here? And knowing, I've told you, when I was sleeping, it was when I calmed down. Because I would wake up, I mean, I would sleep,

taking melatonin pills, because I was very much, and I would wake up, and of course, I had a calm pain because pain because I hadn't gone to the bathroom for hours. I told my mother, I'm scared to go to the bathroom now. I'm scared because I knew what was going to happen.

Of course, I didn't want to wake up, but... But... You know, it's a bit... I don't want to say I wanted to die, but it was a feeling of not wanting to live anymore.

Sure, I understand. Do you think that the kids your age, more or less, older or younger, have that kind of self-destructive thoughts, of not wanting to live,

or that they really get to what was the crisis of the 40s, as it advances, a personal crisis at 20.

You ask me personally, if I have met someone.

Yes, what do you think or what do you observe?

I have not personally met anyone, no friend, that happens to him like that, but that is also it, maybe they don't tell this to happen to my friend. But it's also that. Maybe they don't tell you.

You know?

And it's very difficult to perceive depression. Because depression is not perceived with sadness. That person can also be sad. And you don't know that they're depressed. Of course. So I wouldn't know how to tell you.

But it's probably true.

You know you have a huge influence on social media. You upload a video in hours and it has millions of views. How does that make you feel?

Weird. Weird, but at the same time... What's the other word? Proud or happy because I have these visits but because of what I do and I like what I do

and what I show and I know that I make a lot of people happy it's like, wow, that's cool

Tell me what you do so that people who don't know you can understand

I don't know how to explain it either I say, my videos, what are my videos? Me, me. I mean, me in all areas. Creative, production, way of recording, it's everything. I edit everything. Everything.

You see a video of mine, that I've created from beginning to end, it's me. In some sections, I have help, especially in promotions, I have help from some director, no, not director, well, yes, creative director, production director. In fact, the last production I did was with the production team.

Sure.

Look, when I was your age, you are 17, this year you will be 18, I will your age, you're 17, you'll be 18 this year, and I'll be 42.

You look a lot younger.

I look younger?

I'm serious.

Come on, man.

I'm serious. But really, do you know who I also remember the voice?

Yes.

Do you know who's the one from Boom? Yes. Have you ever heard of him?

I think it's the first time.

Dude, there are details... Have you ever been told? I think it's the first time. Are there details? I don't know what it's called. But are there details? You're a journalist, right? Yes. Ah, you don't make sense.

Have you done voice acting? Yes, I have. You have a voice that's very...

A voice that's very... My father gave me. Cool! And my mother when they had me.

I would define luck with those things. What... let's say, God gave you. Living in a rich or poor family, that's luck. Having a longer or shorter life, that's luck.

Yes, the things that... Everything else is... That is not meritorious, you have come this far, you mean, right? Yes. Well, look, to the point of what I was going to tell you, right? There was someone who ... it's a famous phrase that I don't remember who said it, but I remember the phrase.

It said something like that, good luck is or luck is created when training, training, with opportunity is joined. In this case, you have had this opportunity. For example, at 18 years old, I lived in Menorca, like you, this boy and I are from Menorca. A very small island, the first island in Spain to see the sun rise.

Yes, a little more and it is in Italy.

A little more and it is in Italy. In fact, even the man of the time gets ahead and erases us. Yes, it is the first place in it's done at night, to put it another way. The only place that covers the man of the time, the only place that they confuse with Mallorca. I have a friend in Mallorca. In Google you search for where is the Cromas, from Mallorca.

This is a lot of work. Or when you have a conversation, you say, for example, look, where are you from? From Menorca. At 5 minutes, he says, I have to go to Mallorca to see you. You say, but what are you going to do? It's true, man.

A kiss to the Mallorquians.

Now people who are not from there will say, well, we are not going to pay either.

People who are from Menorca is the best island in the Mediterranean? As an island?

Yes.

More than better, I think it's the most quiet. If you want to retire, retire there. It's like, no one is going to bother you. You can walk down the road and they won't run you over.

It's true, it's wonderful. But don't go too far, so that it remains quiet. Don't go too far, and if you go, respect Menorca a lot, please. The same as there is... Okay, well, in Menorca, I was 18 years old, I had a lot of creative ideas. I wanted to eat the world of things I wanted to do, although I had a very bad time at high school.

I had great ideas of things I wanted to do, right? But I didn't have as many tools as I would have now, right? Well, now I wanted to do a podcast and... You can do a podcast like this, at this level of production, but you can also do a very simple podcast with a microphone in your house, the camera on your mobile and little else, right? You have a good preparation and idea of what you want to do, and you have the opportunity to do it for the moment in which we live.

And that means that you can bet on content creation and that you do well there. I didn't. To start working, I had to distribute pizzas, tie boats in the port of Mahon.

I am very aware of this. For example, thanks to my parents, I can do what I do. Because there are many who see it as something like, don't do that, that in two days it's over, or I don't know, things like that. If I'm lucky...

Adults will tell you, right?

And teachers, that's what else. Teachers, that, uff. Uff, just thinking about it makes me...

Tell me what you live in high school, I suppose, right?

Well, not anymore. You've left it. I was going to high school, but the stress started when? When I started high school. In fact, before I started, I was already thinking, I don't know how I'm going to manage these things, but let's go.

How did the teachers see it? Well, I started high school, and the first few days were calm, because you don't do a lot at first. But it was at 4 weeks that they started to put things on. It was something like, I got home and the time was over.

Because you were already starting to gain popularity. No, I wasn't.

You already had it.

Yes, I had 3 million or something. Because this was the end of 2024.

So you feel that the institute takes a few hours in which you are more productive, dedicating yourself to the networks.

Of course, because maybe if my content was simpler, or more... I don't need that much time, because to make a video I need a lot of time, because I do everything myself. If it was simpler, or if I didn't need YouTube, then maybe I could do it well.

But I had everything. And there were days when I slept for two hours, I'm not exaggerating. Sleeping was like, oh, what luck. And that was a shit for me.

And then the teachers told you, leave what you're doing, that's not going anywhere.

Totally. And I told my parents that I couldn't carry these two things.

Has there been a teacher who had a vision? I had one.

Yes, the plastic one. The one with artistic expression. Well, it was artistic expression.

Well, mine. I had a plastic and audiovisual teacher who was the one who projected me too.

Really?

Yes.

Damn. Those are the good ones. Fernando Gómez, who died recently. A kiss to the family. I haven't met a teacher of that kind. All teachers have a vibe, an attitude, a physical aspect. But those of artistic expression or plastic are something else.

What you say is very interesting. Maybe there is a reason for creativity. Maybe it takes a more open mind to see reality and see more options in reality. A few days ago, I told you that I have two daughters, Ster and Miriam told me, Hey, I studied at the university, for example,

but for me the university is not the only option. Because, hey, there are also people who do a podcast and have not gone to college. It gave me a training, yes, it is worth it, yes, it also served me, but today the range is much wider. I was telling them, the university is one more option, but it is not the only valid one. You can start a business and when you can start a business, you can do it in a thousand ways. For example, could you live alone from what you earn on social media?

Alone? Alone? In a house alone?

Could you become independent with what you earn?

Yes, I think so. Yes, my brother has gone alone and earns much less than I do. So you earn money. And that money, you know?. I don't see that money. My parents. Your parents?

I tell them I need something and if I need it, I get it. But it's not just... Look at me. I've had this sweatshirt for two and a half years. I have some pants... Now because it's summer, but in summer...

If you watch my but in summer, if you watch my videos, every video I wear the same outfit. Outfit, you know?

Yes, of course.

Don't treat me like a boomer, eh?

No, just in case.

Don't treat me like... don't you dare come to my show.

No, well, I do it just in case. But well, my outfit was...

As an age, of course. Yeah, well, yes, I do. I know what an outfit is.

Crocs.

Yes, a striped shirt.

Five striped crocs, a white striped shirt and some Shane pants that I'm not exaggerating, that I've had since... 2022 or before?

But we're going to the same thing. That connects you to people. Are you aware that that connects you to people?

That simple thing? Fuck. I don't even think about it. People reward authenticity. Maybe that's why, before starting the podcast, I've told you, they stop me on the street, telling me, as if I were their lifelong friend.

They stop me, 100 give me 100 meters, like, how are you? And they do that to everyone else. I don't mind that they do it, but... It's like... So much...

If they do it, it's because I build trust. I imagine.

Sure, sure.

Because I don't imagine that they do it to... I'll give you an example, Rubius or TheCref. I don't imagine OronPlay. I don't imagine a fan shouting like that. And when they come to me, especially mothers, they come to me very happy.

Especially mothers.

Yes, many mothers. Especially when they take the excuse of the son.

Because a kid of your age who shows himself as a real person, who also looks good, he does it very well, you do it great, he's a very entertaining baby.

You do it very well too.

Thank you very much. Well, that connects with people and also makes you an example for other boys and girls, a little different from others, or very different from others. On the work issue, let's go. I'm going to ask you, for example, how much is the maximum you've earned in a month? If you want to tell me.

I don't know. Because I already told you that they give it to them. But well, in a month...

You can give me a fork.

It depends on the month, because it depends if I do promotions or not. These last months have been very little because, as I have already told you, I have lowered the content constancy so much that it can no longer be.

Look, I'll put it to you if you don't want to say it. Have you been able to earn more than €3,000 or 5,000? Perfect. We've reached the point I wanted to reach. You're aware that that's a lot of money.

I'm very aware.

Perfect. When you make a lot of money on social media...

Do you know why I'm aware? Because I come where I come. My mother has gone through a time that I don't know how she did it, but it's a godsend.

Explain why.

Why?

Difficulties, you mean, right?

Her life is very... It's very heavy too. I also want to say who I am, or how I express myself, thanks to... Well, thank you.

For everything that has happened to her. I'll tell you, my mother... I'm lucky I also have the father I have now. Because he's not really my biological father, the one I have now. My biological father, who I don't consider my father,

in fact, I never mentioned him on social media, mistreated her. That person is no longer in our lives, but he spent 17 years living with her, with physical and verbal aggressions, I won't even tell you. Terrible.

I mean, it's something that I don't know how she did it. And before this relationship with that person, she had an anorexia. An anorexia with my age range. I mean, what she had to go through was something surreal.

You don't see it, but her mother, who is here, is getting very emotional.

I'm not surprised.

Because of the way David talks about her.

And as a result of...

Wait, I'll go.

It's okay, this space is for that, David.

I wasn't expecting it.

It's okay, kid. You know, I'm the first one in my show, I get emotional too, many times. You know, it's... I'm the first one to get excited about my show. It's part of being flesh and blood.

I didn't expect this. You've got a thumbnail.

I've got a thumbnail. I already have a thumbnail. How does he know about social media? You already have a thumbnail for the YouTube video. He has a mastermind.

That's it, that's it.

Yes.

Well, I haven't told you yet, but...

Well, you can get an idea of how important her mother is. To talk about her to have this happen?

I'm going to puke.

It's important to be able to normalize when things in a family haven't gone well and to be able to tell them. And be able to say, yes, I've had a mother who has suffered abuse and has had problems, and yes, this is what it is. It's okay, it's okay to say that things are going wrong, to show that life is not perfect. You have my respect.

Uff, okay. Okay, well, after the anorexia happened and...

Oh, man. I've never done it. It's a good time to do it.

Things that hurt inside, David, it's good to get them out.

It's part of the process to accept them and keep living and moving on. It's a good thing. I think it's good to get them out. Sometimes it's part of the process to accept them too, and keep living and moving on. And also to make them brave.

I'm done. I've won 10,000 lives. Now I'm Superman. I have a power now. Well... I consciously... I'm telling you, the relationship my mother had with this person... She had it until I was 5 years old. No, 6, 7.

A person starts to become aware at 5 years old. The old memories are flashbacks. Unfortunately for my brother, I had it when I was older, because I was 3.

You mean you remember things.

Yes, I remember things. Many things, in fact. The day she left him, I mean, the day she left him, the turning point, let's say, I remember that day very well. And look, I was almost unconscious.

I was in class It was my first day of primary school I had already passed P5 I was in English class and suddenly they told me, David, they came to pick you up And I was like, ok, great, I don't have class. I go out. And my mother tells me

that she was with a friend of hers. Thanks to that friend, I was able to get out of that hell. I... I go out of class and my mother said, I was with my brother next door,

I take you to the grandparents' house, one hour drive, because there is an hour of driving from end to end, silence and we didn't understand anything. We didn't ask either, but I think my brother was more conscious and he did know. But I was like, What's going on here? Well, I didn't have classes, I was happy, you know?

Well, after that, now... In fact, he didn't tell me since... Maybe he told me when I was 12 or something like that. I asked him, that day, what happened? What made you say, I have to get out of here?

Why did you take the step?

And I remember that day, this is explained by her, she was showering and...

ufff...

this person comes, takes her out of the shower... and starts hitting her. It's very hard, isn't it? I don't know if it was the friend who went to look for her or she who went to look for the friend, but that day my friend, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, my mother, My mother... I don't know if it was the friend who went to look for her or her who went to look for the friend.

But that day, my friend... Oh, my friend, it's his friend. And they went to... Well, I don't know how to say it. To the protection of women? Is that how you say it? Women's protection, something like that.

That same day, the police put that person in jail. They reported him, right? They put him in jail.

Without thinking about it. Well, from there on, they were judged and such, and it was thanks to a... I mean, during the whole trial, thanks to the simple fact that she was writing a diary and she wrote what happened to her every day, thanks to that diary, the judge believed her. Well, she believed her of the other things because she was singing, but with that diary, she said, OK, I can't believe you. And well, thanks, I don't know if, well, thanks,

what I said before, thanks to everything that has happened to her, I think I am also that.

Sure, without a doubt.

And...

You don't forget your origins, you don't know, you know, wow, this...

And of course, another thing, this person didn't take care of me either. It was her against... I had to take the work because that person didn't work. She was at home

doing nothing. He said he didn't work because he was sick. because he was sick. He wasn't sick. He had a headache, yes, but he said it hurt his neck. I don't remember.

In fact, one day he wanted to tell her, I want a doctor to tell me I'm sick because I can't work. I'm sick. And no doctor wanted to do that. I thought she had to deal with two children, a job that sometimes had to be done twice a day because she couldn't afford it,

mistreatment at home, and she had to overcome that taboo, you know?

Yes. On a very small island. And those of you who are not from Menorca, you have to understand that there, on the island, everything is known. Everyone knows each other. It's like a very small town, but also understand that there is water in between. It's very far away. Then the islands, in reality, there is no real unity. Each island is a world, and Menorca is, a small place, where the villages are very small.

These things are known and sometimes they are secret to voices.

And it's difficult to carry.

My mother's relationship with that person, after I already, I don't know, with him, and many people have said it, I knew what was happening to you, but no one helped you. It was just this friend who, at the point, who was the most important part of the relationship, who took the step to help him.

Is this the first time you've told this?

Look at how I'm dressed.

How do you feel now, after telling it?

I don't know, man, like's like climbing Everest and coming down.

That's great. That's great. It's crazy. Well, I really appreciate your trust, you know? Maybe it wasn't a coincidence that you had to come here, but a causality.

Totally. Totally.

Now I understand more, because when I was talking about money...

Wait, I know why I was explaining I was talking about money, you had to talk about this. I know why I was explaining my father, that person. It's that the prolapse, we believe, in part, that my father, well, I don't want to call him that, but that person, when I was going to the bar, I'm talking about five years, well, since I was a baby, until I was going to the bathroom, I was 5 years old, well, since I was a baby,

until I was with him, I cleaned my ass very hard. I mean, something very... I told myself, I don't want to clean it, it hurts a lot. I remember that. And at 9 years old, I had an anal fissure. And I... How can this be? And of course, because of that anal fissure,

I also spent a lot of time in the bathroom because it hurt, because I touched it a lot. And maybe also that manipulation and that stress as a child and during that period of nine years in that area, also caused caused the collapse to occur.

I love that this program is like that, that people come and show themselves as they are, and whatever happens, happens.

The difficult thing is to force the no. It's difficult to show how I'm not. That's why I don't want to force it. It's difficult to show how you'm not. That's why I don't want to force it.

It's hard to show how you're not. That's your value. That you show what you really are.

Exactly.

With lights and shadows. That's an example. I'm going to pick up a bit of string to go to what I was going to tell you before, to talk about your mother, who I'm very grateful that you shared it. We were talking about those money figures. The reality is that in social media,

you and I know that you can make a lot of money. Sometimes there's not even a ceiling. Social media is what it is.

A lot of money and many times with things that I say, how can you make so much money doing this?

Yes, correct. The nuance is right. A lot of money working a lot and a lot of money, sometimes doing very little. It's a contrast. You get to the same thing, but sometimes with the law of minimal effort, and sometimes with a lot of work. For me, in those cases, it's very, very meritorious.

Okay. Of course, for a young boy, who, although he knows very well, from what I see, where he comes from and where he has gone, but who has not had the opportunity to work for, imagine, for free or for very little, or for a very low salary of not even a thousand euros or a thousand and very, very little, how is it to face a reality where there is now more money and, above all, if you continue, there may be much more.

Because you will become an adult, you will continue doing this, you will improve, you will expand your team, you will have more opportunities, and your financial situation will probably improve.

If I have decided to leave studies for something, it is because this has come to me now because it has come to me now. And studying, learning, is something that a human being learns every day. And the ones who teach the best, not all of them are in a school, you know? That's why I'm telling you.

You just opened a melon. But I mean, are you aware that the money that comes to you is not the most common thing? You know that.

I know it perfectly. I know it perfectly.

Do you think that people your age know it? I mean, when they see you, they can think, I want to have a life similar to David's and have fame and such.

Yes, I am aware because you think you think I was that kid too.

Okay.

Sure, I'm now... I've always been a big consumer of YouTube, of Auronplay, of Grefg...

What did you think when you saw them?

Of course, I saw them and I was like, I'm so cool, man. So, I think this happens to all of Spain, to people my age, the younger ones, and the older ones. When we're older, we'll be YouTubers and we'll live in a house and we'll make videos. Of course, that hasn't happened to me yet, but my friends tell me,

well, we're about to. They don't make videos, but I do. But you know what I'm saying? It's curious.

You're on. They don't make videos, but I do. But you know what I'm saying? It's curious. You're on the right track.

And for me, I don't know, that I get to know Rob Blade, or that I've recorded with him, it's complex, and it seems so surreal.

You've been with Ibai too, right?

With Ibai.

I say, what?

I don't know, he's achieved, right? He's with the elite of content creators. Of course, of course. So, of course, what are the ideals to follow of the people of your generation? The references.

Ah, I have to talk to you in general.

Yes.

The references. Of course, I don't know, I'm just, I don't know, I'm weird, so... My reference, I can give you for me, I don't know for the others, because I am, I think I am very different from what the current generation is. At least I perceive it that way. My references, I've never had a reference. I've been inspired by some things and details of how some youtubers make their videos.

That's fine.

But that hasn't shaped who I am now.

I agree.

I also have that luck, I don't know if it's luck or not, and because I've been told many times that I've tended to be creative, and that has helped me a lot to be the Chromas, let's say. And maybe I have it easier than others, or maybe that's why I like my videos, because I have a creativity and a way of thinking that maybe others don't.

What do you think when adults, other generations, see you or you, and some of them say, Ha, crystal generation. Have you heard this expression? What do you think?

That's... I heard it... well... What do I think?

Yes.

Crystal generation...

I mean, they see you... maybe they have confused vulnerability with weakness.

Sure, the generation of crystal, they say it in the sense of physical and mental.

Or that, for example, I don't work on this.

You know what happens?

If they don't give me these rights and conditions, I don't want to do this job. They say it because we are the generation that has lived the easiest and best in history. If you look at history...

You agree with that.

Of course. That's why I think they tend to say that. But I don't think so. I don't think so. I think that if you put join a group of any person... Look, in Havana, which happened in Valencia, the number of young people who helped is incredible.

You can feel that because of what I've told you. We have a lot of more facilities than before, but that's not why I consider us to be a Kiesal generation.

Of course.

You put us in a dangerous situation, for example, what happened in La Dana, a group of young people, the same thing that happens in the Snow Society, because they were young, they were 18, 20 years old, you put them in the same situation as people now, 18, 20 years old. Yes, yes, kids. You put people from now on in the same situation

and they can easily survive. I mean, it's something I understand that they say it, but they don't stop to think about it either, those who say it.

You, people of your generation, you said before, you said that there are other references or other ways to learn, other people who teach. I guess you mean information that you can find on the internet. There are many people who offer financial education, for example, to learn how to manage money, how to generate wealth, for example, or how to do many things. You were referring to that, I guess.

Yes, one of the many, yes. Because it is true that there are some things that if they do not teach you in class, then it is difficult to learn them in everyday life.

I'm talking about super basic things, writing, things like that. I have the feeling that education... I mean, you and I have been together for 24 years, which is a lot, right? Although I seem to be only three years older than you. You told me I looked younger.

Yes, but the problem is that I seem younger than I am.

You and I, both. I look younger than I am. You and me, both of us.

I always get 15 or 14.

You get 15 or 14?

I'll be 18 this year.

You're 17, right?

Yes.

Wow, it's true.

I'll be 18 this year, what are you saying? I'm already growing, damn it. My hair and feet are growing. I'm 44 and I'm afraid of 66.

It doesn't fit. So, even though there's a 24-year age gap between you and me, I have the feeling that you're still very similar to how you were in my time. That you haven't changed much.

I don't know about that. But I can tell you that in every year, from the last years of courses, from 2023 to 2025, at the end of each course, a person has come to ask us what we would change about the educational system and what we think.

And does anything change when you say what you would change?

There have been some, yes, because before there was an educational system that had a name, it was the... well, before it was one thing and it changed to something called the LOMLOE. If I'm not mistaken, the only one that counts is the third quarter. You can get very bad grades at the beginning, but if you get very good grades, you skip the course. And of course, whether or like it or not, it makes sense if evolution has always been normal, but of course, if you don't look at it like that, suddenly, you have to look at things. And I think that a teacher takes that into account, but I don't think it has been like that.

How do you imagine the world ten years from now? Because, for example, artificial intelligence is entering, there are new professions, there are more content creators, like, for example, now there is podcast, there was not before. Television is less and less seen, more digital content is consumed at will.

How do you imagine the world, society, jobs, what will people your age do do in 10 or 15 years?

How do I imagine? In all aspects...

Yes, where do you think we are going? When you see the future, how do you imagine people, society, life?

I'm very interested in artificial intelligence. Because, I mean, if I'm talking about a year ago, creating an image or even a video that seems realistic was something surreal, which is already... I mean, in a year, it's different. That makes me paranoid, I mean, I don't know if it's fear,

but, well, human beings tend to be afraid of the unknown.

Of the unknown, true.

And that scares me a lot in all aspects, both educational, work, everything. I think that's what's going to change the world. But I don't know, maybe we're already at the peak, I have no idea, I'm not an expert. But I think that's going to have a very heavy inflection point in all respects. As for... As human beings of values and such, it could be an example of how I see it, well... We've also changed a lot, man, because 50 years ago...

Well, more, yes, since the Second World War, we've changed a lot. A lot of things have changed. Before, a gay person was a disease that was seen as fatal. Now, it's normal, it's what it is.

Sure, medicine is also advancing a lot. And those things. Recently, they found the cure for pancreas cancer in animals.

Mariano Barbacid? Yes, I think so. I tried to invite him to the show, I wrote to him. I wish Mariano Barbacid would come to Roca Project.

I don't know if he thinks about it. And of course, those things change. That changes the world. I don't know how much, in terms of values and personality of people, how it will be, because there it is already getting into a...

How do you imagine yourself in 10 or 15 years? Me? Doing what? Do you imagine yourself with a family 15 years? Me? Doing what? Do you imagine yourself with a family? Now you're alone, you told me you don't have a girlfriend, you haven't had one, right?

I've never had one. Never. And all my friends and acquaintances that I know from people my age have always given me a kiss, a hug. Well, some hugs, yes. With fans, especially. But well, because they asked it, and I didn't. Why not, David?

Me? Yes, because you haven't had any relationship, is there a reason? Or simply because it hasn't happened?

Because it's also true that I've been very introverted. I've talked about it with my dad, and we've talked about it before the podcast too, that maybe I'm a bit autistic. And that's why maybe it it's like... I've also told you that I tend to have friends, in fact, my best friend, because I used to be in a high school on the other side of the island,

I changed to where I am now, and the only friend I made, when I changed, I was known, everyone knew me, but not them, the only friend I made was an autistic person. It's not a very serious autism, but it's a bit.

So you identify with them, you notice there's something.

Not only with them, it's always happened to me before. And not only me with them, but they open up a lot to me.

David, one thing that you won't see on camera, but when he came in, he didn't stop playing the microphone, all the details. You've been playing the microphone for a long time. And that, curiously, was done by an autistic child.

What? Really?

An autistic child who came here once again. Yes, the details, you were looking at the cameras, right? Because you're probably interested in all this, right?

How heavy, how heavy. We were talking before about what happens to autistic people.

Because they are autistic, they don't do anything wrong. It's heavy. We were talking about what happens to autists.

Because being autistic is not a bad thing. I see it as an advantage. But we were talking about small details that happen to autists. And I said, maybe I have something. Not something exaggerated, not even a grade 1, maybe a 0.5 grade.

Well, it's a spectrum, which means that there may be things. Maybe sometimes people who have a little something. I myself have sometimes thought that I have a point of something.

I have many stocks too.

Well, and do you have restricted interests? Is there anything that interests you a lot and you suddenly go to death for it?

Yes, always.

That's an interesting trait. That's a pretty interesting trait.

It also happens to me that when...

Well, I can't diagnose, I'm missing something. I'll tell you what I know.

I think in my case, I can go to a psychologist and have them diagnose me if I really have it or not. But I think it's difficult to diagnose my case in a talk. I think you have to live with me to really know it. That's why my parents told me.

Do you think it's important for people to go to therapy? To go to the psychologists?

I think so. I haven't gone personally. Well, I went when I went through the relationship with my mother, with that person, but I've never gone to therapy. But I've always had that impulse of, I'd love to go, and I think it's something that has to be normalized, also, going to the psychologist. But not when you're sick, but when you're well, too.

How good is that, what you say. When you're well, too. Check-ups when you're well. Don't wait for the worst.

That's it. True. That's it. Or think that you've healed and you stop going. No, you also have to keep going.

Sure, it's true. Look, I was 16 or 17 years old, 16 I think, forced. Forced? Yes. I was super in love with a girl.

Is that why you went to the psychologist?

No, my mother forced me. Man, she said, this is a danger. So your Your mother forced you to be a psychologist because you were in love? Because I was having a lot of problems. Because I was crazy. When you fall in love, you go crazy. You know, in a way. Speaking symbolically.

You live for that.

Dopamine shoots occur in the nucleus cumbels. It is similar to what a person experiences when they're under the effects of addiction. That's why the brain gets cloudy and you start seeing a person with good eyes. And you're unable to see the bad. Very interesting, the love. So, I add that to a rebellious teenager like me.

My son, what you need is to go to the psychologist you go to the psychologist and tell him what's wrong with you

what happens to me is that I have very little social contact and that, I don't know if it's because of my autism, but I have very little social contact and I'm very introverted the maximum contact I have if I take away social media which is the stimulus I have the most from people,

because there are a lot of people, and you feel like you're with someone, and you have social contact, social media, as they are called, it would be with my father, with my mother, and with my grandparents.

There's nothing else. Do you think that the screens are to blame? The consumption of screens?

Maybe it's because I tend to have so much stimulation with so many people that maybe I don't need that either. But before I was known and had this amount of people, it was also like that. I mean, I hung out with my friends once a month or every month. But luckily I have friends that, you know, it's that thing,

once it happened to me that I was five months without seeing them, I'm talking about two or three, I saw them and it was like I saw them yesterday. In fact, I found them on the street, by accident. We didn't even meet.

When you see your friends, do you all have your phones in your hands?

No?

No, we don't even use them.

Well, that's a difference, because there are many groups of young people.

I know. In fact, I was in that group before. I'm talking about when I was 10 or 12 years old. I was in that group and I split up. But I split up because it was something unconscious. I mean, I split up... It was also a time when you grow up a lot and you start to be more conscious mentally.

You enter the science world, literally. Yes, yes. I remember that... I mean remember that I separated from them, not because I wanted to, but I wasn't aware that I didn't want to. I saw that they did things, and they acted. For example, the mobile phone, and the jokes they made.

I call it the bad group,. They weren't really bad, but it was like... I think people will understand me. People my age, above all. But how do I explain it? It's a group of people that is very... It's very subjective.

Say it your way.

It's like giving me dirt. But way. It gives me a lot of energy. But it's subjective. But it's a group of guys who pose like this. You know?

They assume the role of bad guys.

I've explained everything.

It's very old. But that's what they are now. Before, they weren't like that. But they were behaving like that. One above all. But well. And the friends I have now

are friends I have since I have... Preconsciousness. I'm talking about P5, P4. How is it to manage networks? I ask you this and I live it too. I mean, I'm talking about pre-consciousness, about P5, P4.

How do you manage networks? I'm asking you this and I live it too. I mean, hundreds of people write to you every day. How do you manage this? Because I've had more time to live than you. I've had, you know, many stages in my life.

Of failure too, of saying bad things, of being completely unknown. And now, for example, it's managing hundreds of people who write to you every day, by email, on all social networks. For me, it's impossible to manage, to read. It's impossible. Even if I dedicate the whole day. How do you live it?

Personally, I read messages messages, but since they don't see that I read them, I don't care. You read them without listening. I don't read them, I just look to see what they send me. I answer some very specific ones if I really like the message. On the other hand, for example, there is an email on my social is called contactolchromastal, that's where the brands come from, and that's managed by my manager and my father. I don't go there anymore, you know?

It's not something that really affects me, but the comments and such, they're usually so good, I feel very fortunate to have a community that is very cool. It's very... It's like... It's cool. I don't perceive hate.

I understand you perfectly because the same thing happens to me. People write me good things all the time. But, I'll share what I think with you, just in case. I think that's a bit dangerous too. Because if you if every day you have, let's say, 500 people who in comments, videos, messages, tell you how good, special, important, cool, ideal you are...

Your ego goes up like a bullet. Of course, that's when David comes in and says,

Well, that honors you. Because what I can do at 42 years old, I'm better at it. But at 17, not everyone knows how to do it.

Because whether you stay or not, in your subconscious, you have that, knowing know a lot of people, in my case I was with Ibai, I was with a lot of famous people, I know a lot of famous people, and that generates a bit of ego.

Yes, of course, of feeling important.

But I think I have something, maybe I can have that dopamine at the moment of, look, I was with Ibai, but like three days later, that ego has gone down. But it's something natural, you know?

Yes.

And I think that, I don't know if it's luck, but I also have it.

I think I'm going back to the moment of your mother. I think you know very well where you come from. That's why I think I've told you that it's totally thanks to that I think so. Look before going to the final part of the program I want to ask you some questions, okay? The first is what do you think we can do adults adults we are going to put parents, teachers, professionals, all that generational group that you, at 16, 17, 18, 20 years old,

see us as adults, what can we do to connect better with you?

Wow, what a question! You thought about this before, for sure.

No, while I was listening.

No, I don't believe you. I believe you. What a question, man. It's so good, what could you do to connect with us? I'm going to answer something so obvious, because your question is, what can we do to empathize with you? I was going to say, empathize. But answering that... Of course, tell me concrete things,

of course, to connect with us, of course, you know what happens to me, I think it's hard for me to answer that because I have had a family, some grandparents, a parent, that they have understood me. That they have understood me. That they have empathized with me.

But you'll have many friends who will say, my parents don't understand me. Right? Or people your age who will say, no, they don't understand.

More than that, things I've said, your parents really don't let you? Or, really, you have to do that because your parents don't let you? I mean, that's true.

And I think I'd tell them to give them a chance. To give them a chance. I mean, that the parents and the older people give this young people a chance. That they're really capable of what they think they are not.

Opportunity to do the same or to do something different?

That, to do something different. Even to do the same. Maybe I tell you that your parents tried to start a business and they couldn't, and that's why they say, don't do it, because we couldn't, because it's very complicated. That's another example.

In both aspects.

Do you think it would help parents to see social media as an opportunity and not as a problem?

Totally. In fact, I don't know who I told it to, but I think in the future it will be. I'm not saying a course on social media, but there will be something, I'm talking about AI for example, there will be an option or an AFP of artificial intelligence. And artificial intelligence is used mainly for social media.

It would be like a sub-theme, maybe, of social media or something. Because it's something, social media, very new. And I think, just like in previous generations, the simple fact of leaving the comfort zone, of working, I explain myself, maybe before, you were born in a shoe-maker family. And you want to be...

You want to have, I don't know, a chocolate business. And because... By chance, you know how to make good chocolate.

Yes, yes.

But your family tends to tell you that you play it too much, that it's very complicated and that... You know what they say, but I think that in every generation that has happened. Depending on what things, that has happened. It's like an evolutionary parallelism. Maybe before people listened to Mark Jackson

and their parents told their children that's not music, the old one was good and now the same thing happens. Well, now it happens, but now it happens because it's like that. The music of now is shit. And I say it. The music of today is shit. And I say it.

The music of today is shit. Minus Milo J. And some other. But I'm serious, the music of today is pure shit.

I agree, man.

Because the lyrics... They don't make lyrics. Shit, fart, ass, dick, dick.

Yes.

It would be better if the AI made the lyrics anyway.

I think it would be better if the IA did the same with the letters. I think it would be better. Well, I'm sure it would be better.

The IA would do it, look, it's a word game.

Yes.

How could we help adults, for example, in sexual matters? You are the generation that has been consuming for a longer time,

I'm going to say it in key, not for. There I do consider that the no for if it is something that should not be so much in the hands of people. Because it is something that I no longer know to what extent it is biological and mental how it affects. In many ways. That's why I say it.

And not well.

And there is the thing. For that simple fact, I think that everything that generates a bad addiction, that brings bad consequences, should not be within reach, less of young people. That's why, well, it says it's over 18. And I tell you, even people over 18, I think it is something that shouldn't be done. I don't know if I can say it, but I don't know if it's a bad thing to go to the casino. Going to the casino is something that you shouldn't do,

even if you're younger, much less, even if you're older. Going to the casino is also something that shouldn't be done.

Do you think your generation has problems with this? With prostitution, with online gambling?

I don't know about online gaming. Because I think it's true that you need money, and not all young people have money.

Yeah.

But... it's a problem. It's a problem. I'm the first one who has experienced it. I know what no porn is. I don't know how much I was aware of it,

but I think it's very young. And that's not normal and it's not good at all. But well, it's what the internet has. In one click you have everything. Pedro Sánchez wants to ban it now. I don't know if he will do it.

At least 16, social media.

I don't know if he will do it least 16, social media. I don't know if he will or not.

In some countries it has happened.

I don't know if it's good or bad. But in this case, of course, you avoid that. That they look at you not for...

Sure.

And I don't know how that can be prohibited. I think it used to be worth money. And they put it for free. Because with the ads they give money to the people who publish it.

Well, when I asked you about what we could do for adults, for the younger ones, you immediately said that yours haven't done very well with you. Yes. So, I get a phenomenal response because the last two questions before the end of Roca Project have to do with this.

Oh, look. Yes.

First, Jaume, your father, not father, but father, what is he to you? He? He's been with me, I mean, he's person, my mother, in 2016. The following year I was already with him. Well, we started to get to know each other and in 2018 we started to live together. For me, he has been like...

Because I think that with him...

It started later, of course. And with a much heavier consciousness. And whether or not... I think it's instinct, animal instinct, whether or not... Maybe I didn't get along with him as much as with my mother. And more so knowing what happened to my mother and others. And also because he hasn't had very good times in his life, you know? And it's also like I've learned a lot from what he's been through.

And thanks to the things he hasn't been able to do well in life, I've learned to be aware of that. I understand people a lot. For example, he had a depression, a heavy one, and he had a really bad time. And thanks to that, I know what a depression is. That's why I've told that many times depression doesn't manifest itself with sadness alone. And thanks to what happened to him, I also think that I am who I am in that aspect.

He gave you a reference of paternity that you didn't know before.

Totally.

That's great.

And you also said grandparents.

They are... From them, she came out and I came out. I mean, I'm serious. They are the definition of a good person.

Your grandparents.

Because my mother is how she is. Saturnina, right? Saturnina.

And the grandfather?

Lorenzo de Llorenz. He doesn't like to be called Lorenzo.

Lavi and Yaya? What do you call them? Savi and Sabia. Manorca. Do you know any Menorcan? Yes, of course. I'm here in Spanish, but... But it has happened to you when you do a dub in Catalan? Yes, I have to show you. Yes, damn. Yes, of course. He's a wise man. He's the grandfather and the grandmother. It's like saying the grandfather and the grandmother. What are they to you? Because I suppose you are also aware that unfortunately, I have an aunt, my aunt, Kari, who has been watching me since Menorca, 92 years old.

Unfortunately, they are not going to be eternal here, on Earth. How do you deal with that? Because he makes the videos, they participate, they dance with him, they dress him... It's amazing, isn't it?

It's amazing. I try not to think about it, but whether you want to or not, you think about it, you know? Because, well, life is life because we die, because if not, we wouldn't value many things. But... How do I deal with it? Well, the truth is that I try not to think and live every day to the fullest with them because...

I've already done it, really. And I haven't done it consciously, like, I have to live like this with them because I know they're going to die. No. It's like I've been left alone.

But you're creating a memory of them.

Sure. But at the same time, I thought about that later. To analyze it, to say, sure, it's the only generation, currently, in history, that has memories of their grandparents, on video. And I'm not talking about grandparents,

but in general. You know? Because of the video, I don't know when it was... Many years ago. Yes, but I mean, before I didn't have it in my hands. And with such good resolution, neither.

Do they understand what you do?

Yes and no. I mean, I think my grandmother more than my grandfather. Because my grandfather is very... I don't know how to explain it.

He's a very small kid.

He's a very small kid. My grandfather... He's the typical one that... If you take him out of his comfort zone, he gets angry. But he gets angry and then he says, sorry. It seems like a rage that can scare you, but it's the person with the most pieces of bread.

She's a piece of bread.

Yes, exactly.

With more pieces of bread. She is a piece of bread. Yes, exactly. With more piece of bread

too. I have brought friends to my grandparents' house and my grandmother is super nice, and my grandfather, what are you doing here? What is this? You speak Catalan, right? And if he speaks Catalan, he gets angry, you know? Your grandfather gets angry. Yes, a lot. And then, at the time, they seem like friends of his, not mine. Yes, look. And he started talking about

the civil war, when he was an electrician, and how he assembled his things. Well, this with everyone.

And I did the same with my mother. Sometimes my mother brought two civil guards or two soldiers home, in person, and they said, do you want to have a snack?

And the soldiers said, okay. They followed my mother. My mother has always been a bit like... also anti-system, you know?ic, very different from the others. She brought her dogs home and was like,

what are you doing here? What are you going to feed these guys? Marta, I don't know what... And at times, the same thing. I started telling them about this story I told her. And well, the same thing. She brought dogs, cats, and at first she got angry, but then the animals seem to be his.

He's a bit like that. That's why I'm telling you, he sees him as weirder. But he sees him weird at the moment, saying, Why did you record this now? Why? I'm leaving now. And after a while he says, well, come on, go. You know? Like he adapts, but he shuts up.

Because you made them famous without their permission

Yes

Yes, but in part that has also brought them, I think, very cool things, that's it, I mean I have given them, I think, life, because I made a video of a 24-hour life of a grandfather and what they live It's a very boring life It's very boring. I mean, my grandfather's life, for example, he gets up at 5 in the morning and I say,

well, I guess it's already 2 in the morning, he doesn't do many things. He gets up and goes to the sofa with his pajamas, with his hat, watching TV there, at 5 in the morning. And I say, what are you going to do now?

And you stay here. And he has to shower, he still has to brush his teeth, he still has to go for a walk with the dog, he still has to have breakfast, and he was like this. Then he calmly gets up, he drinks his coffee, well, I don't know what order he gets, but well.

I think he sometimes gets a pipette. She gets up, drinks her coffee, I don't know what order it is, but well. I think she sometimes takes a pipette.

A pipette? She goes to the computer, looks at the news. My grandmother does things, she starts doing the sofa, the bed, whatever. Or the clothes, I think my grandmother does the clothes.

I've never heard her do the sofa.

Yes, because on the sofa there's a part for the dog, so it doesn't leave hair.

Okay, okay.

Because my grandmother hates the dog's hair. It's called laica.

Okay. Few dogs are called laica, huh? It's a irony.

Yeah, I know. Well, my grandmother is more like this, more than doing things. My grandfather, from 5 in the morning until it's not 9 or 10, who also has to go shopping, has not done anything. In the sense of, it's like... You know? It's very him.

And then he has breakfast, his coffee, his... You know, it's very him. It's very... Yes.

And then he has breakfast, his coffee, his... Well, why am I telling you this now?

Because I asked you. Ah, okay.

Well, I asked you about them. But I'll stick with the things you learn from them. Look, you have a video where they taught you to work in a fruit shop. And there's a detail, a thing that you say, you say because if my grandparents did this or gave value to this it will be for something. The value, that puts value on the things that the elders know in a society where they are cornered and I would even say that they are despised.

The fact that you teach your grandparents and integrate them into your daily life gives them value. In the moment of their lives, in which they theoretically have less value. For society. Totally.

That's true. We agree, right? There are things that come back, like valuing the elderly. I think more people your age value the elderly again in a society that has separated them. And there is another thing that I think is returning in your generation, which is spirituality. To believe that there is something more, to believe in God. What do you think of this?

To the symbols too.

Also. What do you think?

Look, to me, this, I used to see it a little more as the fact of believing in God. I'm not talking about any religion, it's just the fact about believing in God, I mean I don't talk about any religion, I mean the fact of believing in something, I always saw it as... I mean I was always the one who said no, but I don't know if it's because maybe as I grow up and grow up, one is more aware of everything, right? But every time the days go by, I think more about something,

that there is something, you know? Because, I mean, a very simple example. I think about something more when I spend the days. That there is something. Because... I mean, a very simple example. I say, thank God my mother is a nurse. But maybe that God is my mother. And that God, that energy has passed to my mother in this case.

That's the example I've given you. But there are always moments when I say, thank God this happened. There are many times, things that are, I don't know if curious, well, coincidences or causalities, that I say, how can it be?

I went once recently, I went to a concert of Milo... Well, it wasn't a concert, it was a show of Milo Jota, the singer I like.

The only one who survives.

Yes.

In fact, look at it, I have it in the background.

Okay.

That day, that day it was, in fact. Me, my father and my mother, we went to see the show and I told them, wow, how cool, I've met Milo J. Milo J. is with Sony Music. And in this same label is my mother's favorite singer, who is Rosalén.

And I told her, well, she said, wow, I wish I to meet Rosalene, I don't know what. And I said, yes, we'll be the same. Well, maybe, since it's Sony, we can contact her. The next day, in the morning, walking,

my father had lost a cream that I needed for my face, because I have a very sensitive skin. And we had to go to the pharmacy. I was in the pharmacy for about an hour. After an hour, I go out and at that same moment we go for a walk. Because it was a very specific street in Madrid. And of course, at that same moment we go for a walk and my father says,

that's Rosalén. And my mother says, because he usually makes a lot of jokes, saying, look, that's Maldini, that's the bad girl, because they're not the same, right? And I say, well, another joke about him. And I turn around and look at her and say,

this time she's not joking. I said it, I mean, I didn't believe it, because she always does that. And more, having talked about that the day before, about seeing if she knows her, what would it be like, I say, these little details, how can it be? And now because they are the ones I remember the most,

but there are many more cases and I don't know if it has happened to you as well.

And do you think people are more open to believing at your age?

I think so. You also know why it's hard for me to answer you, because I don't have much social contact, I wouldn't know how to tell you, but I think so. I have many comments like, God will help you, God is with you,

I pray with you every day, I think about you. There's a woman, the mother of a subscriber of mine, I have a video in which I visit her house by surprise and I get involved with this mother. This mother prays to me every day and she tells me that she does Reiki. And since she told me that she started doing Reiki,

I started to feel better every day. And I didn't know that she did Reiki. She told me three weeks ago, I told her on the street. And she told me, since this day I do Reiki. And coincidentally, that day until now, I have been finding myself better.

How curious. How does someone young like you expect death?

How do I expect it? What do you think? I asked you in another way. No, no, yes, yes, yes. If it's something I think about, if I don't think about it every day, almost every day, and more, having gone through what I've gone through, the prolapse. How do I wait for it? Sometimes it happens to me, like, I say, I know I'm going to die, but sometimes I stop to think about it. It's like a consciousness that goes to the next level.

Yeah, you go deeper.

And I get an emptiness and I say, fuck, I'm going to die. And I try to think about it, what happens next? I think it's something we've all asked ourselves. And I think it's like,

it's done, it's not there anymore. It's like, it's like... It's like it's over. It's like it's not... I mean, I compare it to... You, in 1945, when the Second World War ended, for example. You weren't there, but things were happening. Life was there. But you weren't there.

And the point is, where were you?

The same is death. Do you think there's nothing today?

Yes, I think so. But of course... Because, I mean, where was my consciousness before? In 1945? You know? I mean, it's like... Where do I come from?

Why in this body? And there I get paranoid. And here I go more to the... Mr. Tartary, here I go more to the... What's it called, man?

To the...

To the paranoid. That, to the paranoid. They say we reincarnate in pigs or those who go to hell. Because pigs don't look at the sky if you look at it they only look at No, but this is true and I say okay and why the in the Islamic religion do not eat pig for something will be

good that is a paranoia that I say and because they also look like humans the pigs and and that is a paranoia of mine. I say, well, it makes sense. And my mother says that we reincarnate in animals. And sometimes that we were someone before. You know? For example, my mother says that she was a dog.

Because all dogs look at her. But it's true, huh? She's walking and a dog that's 20 meters away is like this all the time. But always, always, always, always. And that's what happens to me with her, because I go with other people, I see dogs and they don't do that. And I think maybe I'm a horse.

Because my first word, after saying hello to my grandmother, who was sleeping, I wake up and say, hello. This was explained by my grandmother and my mother. My second most real word, most different, was horse. In Catalan, it was cabai. For the face. And I had an obsession with horses. I always had an obsession with horses, it's very heavy.

And in fact, my favorite movie as a child was Spirit. Do you know which one? Yes, the cuteomitable corset. Yes, because it had a very heavy position. In fact, I haven't seen it in a long time. I don't even know what it's about. But look, it's because...

The Lord of the Rings is the same. I like it a lot, but I say, damn, there are a lot of horses there.

Maybe that's why I like it so much. I mean, if you don't like the Rings, it's hard not to like them. In any case, you have a long way to go. I was thinking, if you had... Imagine that Roca Project continues 10 years from now. I don't know, I have no idea. But maybe you do, right? Imagine sitting here again and asking yourself the same questions.

I'm convinced that you'll answer me differently. Both about death and about what I'm going to ask you now.

Before you ask me, something I'm totally aware of is that I have a lot to learn and whether you like it or not, I know it influences thoughts and so on. That's why I told you before, five years ago,

you wouldn't have said, not even a word, what I've I told you five years ago, you wouldn't have said a word about what I've told you now, about what God is and all those things I've told you. That's why what you're saying is totally true.

It's very interesting that life passes if you look 10 years back and see changes, it's good. It means that you have learned about life's things and you are at another point, at another step in your own consciousness and belief and everything. If you look back ten years and nothing has changed, worry.

I'm also aware that it's an age where you change a lot. But I think I've changed a lot, something very exaggerated, on a very heavy level. And it would still happen to me, but maybe not so much. At this time it would still happen a lot, I'm sure.

But maybe with 50, maybe it won't change that much in 5 years.

Well, I'll ask you the next question I was going to ask you, which is, how would you like to be remembered when you are no longer?

You've left me broken now, huh? I'm going to be honest, I'm not a fan of the word, but I'm not a fan of the word.

I'm not a fan of the word.

I'm not a fan of the word. I'm not a fan of the word. I'm not a fan of the word. You know? Like someone... Like a good person. And that is a very short phrase, being a good person. But really, the thing behind being a good person is very heavy.

To simplify it, I think that's it. That they remember me for being who I am.

Well, look how curious, one of the youngest people who has stepped into this program has responded the same as the oldest person who has stepped on it, which is Dr. Manel Sanz Segarra.

Ah, he said that?

Yes.

Damn.

Curious.

Curious?

I didn't know that. Curious causality, once again.

How heavy.

Yes, yes. Well, hey, David, show me what you brought. I see there some cards. You've brought something, right?

Yes, I've got two things. I don't know which one to start with. I'll start with the one I always get.

Go ahead.

Once I was in a church in Menorca, in Es Castell, in the town of Es Castell. Yes, the church was there, in the town of Es Castell. Yes, the church is there, in the town, right? And the priest left the church and we were talking and he had two more friends, right? And I asked him Do you know who my God is?

And he said He's the Catholic, right? And I said, no, Doraemon.

Doraemon.

And this is what they always give me. Look, look, look. How cool. And I have 4,000 million Doraemons, and I say,

I'm going to give you one.

Cool, huh? Very cool.

And I think it's going to look great.

Yeah, it's going to look great. We'll put it in the shelf.

Seriously, if the fans give me something, or drawing, forever. You even had some drawings of Doraemon. Also, also, also. I have an obsession with Doraemon. People relate to Doraemon. I saw a lot of Doraemon drawings.

Do you know why I said he was God?

I mean, I wouldn't tell you he's God now, but I used to say that because I mean, he has everything. He can do whatever he wants from up there and down. Yes, that's true. I was saying that because he has everything. He can do anything he wants.

Yes, that's true.

And I say, if he can do anything, it's because he's God.

Yes, but he doesn't always have good intentions.

Yes, that's true. And he likes to eat, and I do too.

Great.

And the other thing... Two things, look, how good! The other thing is something created by me that still doesn't exist, let's say. You are the first person who is going to receive it on planet Earth.

On planet Earth? How cool!

And this is...

What is this?

Look, it's another thing that is cat. This is the colony, this is my colony, it's another thing that's cat-related. This is La Colonia. This is my Colonia. Which is not for sale yet.

Your Colonia? What are you talking about? It's a perfume.

A perfume of yours? It's a perfume. And look, I find it hard to find scents that I like. And it's curious that I find scents that my mother also likes. But it's a scent that also matches my dad, my mom, me.

I mean, it's a smell that's like unisex. I mean, it's a smell that's very...

Boom!

And the box is incredible. And there's a surprise inside.

It's very original, look how it opens.

There's a surprise inside.

Wow.

There's a surprise inside? I like the one with the rings a lot. It's so cool, isn't it? I like the design the most.

This is crazy, this kid.

It's not that hard, you just have to tear it off.

Do I have to tear it off? Does it come with the Colonia? Yes, yes.

Does it come with the Colonia? I think it's with a clip.

There we have it. A great piece, Colonia. Five cats by the Cromas.

Do you know why it's called Five Cats?

Why?

Because I have five cats. And you know why a cat? Everything comes from me. I thought, fuck, cats... It's awesome. You know why?

Because there's no colony that has a reference to cats. And I thought, cats always smell good.

I'm going to put it on.

Okay. Cats always smell good.

It smells really good.

I like that.

I wasn't prepared for that.

Not at all. But it's spectacular. And I love the Lord of the Rings. Me too. I love it. And it's true. It's so cool.

You know why? Cats always smell good. And I say, why do cats smell good if they never shower? Because dogs smell like ass and they don't shower. If you don't shower, they smell like ass.

I love it.

And of course, I say, fuck, and it's the same with Donaimon, too. It's true. He's also a cat. Cats are very clean. Cats are an animal that also... Look at the Egyptians. Why were they so obsessed with cats? Cats are a very heavy animal, man.

And people hated cats because they never had a cat in their life. You have a cat and you'll see. I'm serious. I'm allergic. That's the abstraction.

In fact, I enter a house where there are cats and without seeing the cats, what happens to you with the handkerchief begins to happen to me. I start to segregate, and suddenly I feel like I'm dying. I say, by chance, will there be a cat around here? Oh yes, look, there's one that walks around everything.

It could be, there's the selection.

Sometimes even Ventolin comes in handy. Yes, I'll be assuming that you got to igual me as a scene as a place.

As a place as a so think of it.

Creo que esta entrevista va a sorprender a mucho gente.

I'm so pretty. I'm so pretty. I'm so pretty. I'm so pretty.

I'm so pretty. I'm so pretty.

I'm so pretty. I'm so pretty. And look at what he had in mind, the things he could say and such. But I didn't expect this point at all. It has been incredible.

Are you happy to have come?

Very much. More than I thought. I was happy to say, wow, I'm here. But I think it's a level that is unbeatable. I'm more than happy.

Well, this is your home. Thanks for coming. Thanks to the family that is here, to the manager, to the parents who accompany this kid. I have to tell you something and it's absolutely honest. I used to look at David, at El Cromas,

with fascination for how he does his job, how he does it, and he does it very well. But now, not only do I see it, but I can understand many things that explain its success. Now I understand it better. So I congratulate you. Whatever you have to change, I'm not going to say don't change, everyone has to change, but what you change, watch very well.

Decide very well. I know. I know too. You have everyone ahead of you. So, thank you for coming, for having seen us, one more week, and tell us what you think. Thank you.

To you, Carlos.

We'll see each other in Menorca, right? Of course.

Man! Man! Of course.