“Advertencia mortal en triple feminicidio: Si me dejas, las MATO”: Habla papá de las JÓVENES de BOSA

The worst nightmare a father can face is losing his children, or in this case his two daughters and also their mother, the ex-wife. And also Karen Juliana Penagos, 20 years old, who wanted to travel the world as a flight assistant. And Chantal Daniela Penagos, 17 years old. Her father told Dani that he wanted to be a doctor, he wanted to save lives. And this was a triple ferocious lion that just a few days ago came to Bogotá.

And we ask ourselves, what happened from that Friday March 20 to March 24, Tuesday? What happened to the mind of Christian Camilo Valencia, who conceived the writing of life. Who were they?

Well, today we meet Roberto Sicar, a well-known forensic psychologist with more than 30 years of experience, because I want him to enlighten us about this, which is increasingly heard more in our experience con nosotros gracias por confiar en más allá del silencio doctor Roberto muchas gracias

y también nos está acompañando

el es tomate un vinculo de mi hija menor conmigo solo lo sabía ella y yo Only she and I knew. Yes, the meaning of this stuffed animal for us.

A stuffed animal that you gave her when she was what age?

She was about a year and a half old. She really liked dinosaurs. I went to San Victorino one time when I was living with my mom. And I thought it was very curious and I bought it for her.

And what was Tomato for her?

It was a favorite doll, a bond more of her and me. It was one of her favorites, but it was the one she shared with me.

What was Dani like?

Dani was a ...

The girl with your eyes of 17 years and I want to show you something.

Here is a photo of my two loves.

In my life, my spoiled daughter spoiled me a lot. She was a tender, judicious but I tried to structure my daughters well, prepare them for the day to day and face the world, which is very different when you let go of it, like the breast of one, very studious, many qualities, happy,

dreamer like every child that wants to be a doctor I had some plans to continue, he told me that he wanted to study medicine I told him that there is a long way because it is not easy I told him, let's see what we do, but we do something That was my Danny, my eyes. All my motor of always, of me

that was Dani and she spoiled me a lot, with others we say she was very sweet, very sweet with me.

How often did you see each other?

On average, almost every 8 days sometimes longer, 15 days but the

the contact

via phone, via whatsapp was constant even though she was a little more as they say more I called her ungrateful

yes, sometimes what happens is that you get used to the children writing to you every day and sometimes it lasts a day or two then you already call them ingrate

It happens to us all And now we understand why the mother always told us that because one does not call them, right? What was Karen Juliana like?

Karen Juliana, my piece of woman. She was a very, very happy woman. Dreamer. She wanted her dream of being a flight attendant. A dream that was going the right way, with the help of her grandmother,

with me. Very hard-working. I had a dream that I was going the right way with my grandmother's hand with me, very naughty

I would hide myself like this when I was a child like this, do you remember what you did to her? She was very aware of me we talked every day almost every day also very judicious, they had values Karen was more given to the world because she grew up with me by the hand

I had to teach her how to ride a bus, since she was very young I taught her to be very independent and I talked to my daughters a lot. Karen was already a very mature woman, very intelligent. When she left school, she started studying English. She spent two years studying English in pedagogy. She was missing two modules. That was when she decided to tell me,

I'm going to the university. She didn't say anything, she just gave me the receipt. You have to pay, you have to see how it's done. With my grandmother, we managed to fulfill that dream.

She already dreamed of entering the Indian-American school. We fulfilled it. She was doing very well, a very. She was very dedicated to her studies. She loved what she did. She loved what she wanted. She told me,

when you grow up, you will take her to many places in the world.

She always told me that.

Those were my daughters. My eyes. What was your wife? Daisy, a very hardworking woman, very dedicated to the home. Suddenly, people will ask why we don't continue with life's things. A great woman, an example of a woman.

It's not that right now, more than one person will say, no, because she's not with her, now she's good. No, she has always been. Yes, she was the one who gave me my joy, my daughters. Yes, a reserved worker, very reserved. Yes, very sincere, very hermetic in her personal things, in her life.

When did you see her the first time you liked her?

The eyes. The eyes and the way of being of her. And she gave you two wonderful daughters. She gave me two wonderful daughters, yes sir. What did Christian Camilo take from you? Half a life, that my son did, but my daughters... My daughters... More than half of their lives. More than half of their lives, and much more.

If you could say something to him, what would you say?

Why did he take my daughters away from me? Because they had done anything to anyone. They were just girls.

Yes.

Let's go back to the beginning. That March 20th, 2026. Where were you? Did you speak with your daughter? Tell us a little about that and what happened the following days.

That Friday, March 20th, approximately I left work at 10 at night, I always talked to her, I wrote to her, I got home, I talked to her for a while, I said, daddy, wake me up early because I have to call my mom, she's in the morning. With Dani? With Karen. At 4 in the morning I said, no, oh no, she didn't call me and I called her and I heard a voice message

I wrote it to her and I was like, I didn't worry because sometimes they would fall asleep and they would stop downloading their phones and they would turn it off and I didn't pay attention to her

I went out to work for a while and I came back home at 9 I did some things and at 1.15pm, which is the time I always go out to work, I went to my work, I worked that day until 8.30pm What did you work in? I left around 8.30, 8.40 I left I moved to my house, I marked it, and I'm not that weird, I write it That day I went to bed To wake up on Sunday 22

I was with my sentimental partner We were at my house And... house and then I had an invitation to Chuconta to the birthday of a son of a cousin of mine, well, like at noon, I remember that we did not go. I already told my daughter, it was weird, the first thing I thought was that soon he had gone on a trip. It was Puente. Yes, well sometimes mom would go on a trip and she wouldn't tell me anything.

I didn't insist because I was disgusted. Maybe it was because I lived with her partner and she was disgusted or jealous. I tried to make her feel comfortable as much as possible. I didn't pay attention to her. That day passed. I went to Chocontá.

I stayed that night. The next day I came, but already Sunday one of my sons-in-law had told me that it was not normal he manifests me on Sunday, he tells me, no, it's that Daniela can't turn off her cell phone, she doesn't turn it off normally I was stunned because I knew her, sometimes the day passed that she did't write to me, I told her to write for free It was Monday and she told me to not write, my other son-in-law contacted me

He told me that it was weird that Karen didn't do that I think my youngest daughter went to the house and looked at it, she said it was not strange It was Monday the house, he looked, he said, no, it's not strange, it was already Monday, I had made myself count and one of them wrote to me, no, it's not strange, I'm in front of the house, I said, no, they are about to travel and they arrive late, I was already alarmed because I already got the cell phone of this guy and the four cell phones, none phones I said, they will be here later, don't you want them to know? She was like that, Daisy didn't like that one...

like that I was looking for her, contacting her and I said, to the girl, when we get there we'll write to her, or tomorrow it had already happened before that night passed, so I told her, see you tomorrow at 7 there I'm going to work and I ask for permission and we go there.

I arrived that day, I got up on Tuesday, 6 in the morning I went to work, I organized some things, but I was already desperate. Then, at about 40 minutes, I called my boss, I said, give me permission because my daughters do not appear. I had already called one of my sisters, I told her, go to their house and tell me if they were there or not. She told me that they were not there. When I asked for permission, I left and went to the place. There were my sons-in-law.

In Bosa.

In Bosa. My brother and my three sisters had already arrived. So, I was going to decide and knock on the door to know something. Then a patrol had already passed and my brother had spoken with them and they told him, no, you have to call the firemen. Then he proceeded to give the firemen a warning and the requirement that we needed. The firemen arrive and say, no, to do that procedure I need police escort so we had to call for two units

they sent us two units and they proceed to enter the building through the roof they looked everywhere, they already had to see a roof they enter

it was a two-story house

a two-story house, a house of about three meters by ten meters deep. They proceed to enter. I wait for something. They enter, look, go out, enter through the roof. I, well, until there, calm, when they already dialogue among themselves and I began to remember that something was not right

when I saw that something happened, something happened, a time lapse they came in, looked, came in, looked and left when they agreed, I knew that it was the worst that had happened there

because if it had not been thing that had happened there.

Because if it hadn't been like that, they would have told me to come in, there's nothing here. But they didn't let me in, they cordoned off and more police came, more police units. So they opened the door, the force, they entered, they entered. At one point or another I saw that arranging the patrol to the house. I got curious and I looked around and I saw this guy. That guy that I said is a son of a bitch.

And he turned to look at me with that cowardly face, amazed. And the police caught me right there. They took me away. That was when they took the guy out of the house.

You looked like a coward.

Yes, like a coward. That was when they took him away and they caught me and two police officers because I had already married him. The worst had already happened.

How was he? How did he look?

A guy there, drunk, like when you don't have a good night. That was the look that this guy reflected.

And from there?

From there, well, we were cordoned off at the site, a policeman approaches me and says that he is the triple and I just broke my heart, until there, at one point I felt that life was coming, to know that I was not going to have my princesses with me and that what I had done was not good at all this guy if many interrogators no I do not know why my daughters were harmless if as in those moments I did not even know how the events had happened.

And then the bodies were taken to the ground. I stayed until the last moment. They did the diligence, they took care of the immobilization, the police told us that we could enter. I entered to look, I entered to the second floor and I didn't see a normal scene when something happens, a tragedy had happened I think that maybe I'm the first one who has gone through this losing his two daughters and his mother and simultaneously

it was what I saw and it was the most sad scene with Sevicia I don't understand why he did that and that way

I saw and analyzed, I didn't understand why he did that. And in that way, I saw, I analyzed, I no longer had my daughters. As I say to everyone, this guy is not going to give them back to me 10 times. I am not a judge or God, everything is in the hands of my God. And to the justice of this country, so that there is a before and after. Because I also want to send a message to our legislators, lawmakers of the laws, that when they make a law,

don't do it as another task of their day to day in their office or in a enclosure.

Do it as a enclosure.

Make it as painful, because this guy doesn't deserve to see the sun, like my daughters did. Yes? It's not fair for our women that these people come saying, after they commit these acts, I have a right.

For me, automatically, they should not have the right.

Yes, we are in a free country of everything, but one thing is to be free, another thing is to do justice, and another thing is to reward certain people who do certain acts as atrocious as the one that just touched me. That is a call to attention to these institutions. Yes, as much as I find out, I see the file, no, I structured my them for danger. As I was saying, I didn't raise them. Gizas for no one. Slaves for no one. They are not property of anyone.

They are free.

Yes, for that I worked and gave my daughters that message. And I tried to be a father. But the calls called these institutions. I came to find out about the history of violence between family members of this type when they gave me the file. I had no knowledge. My daughters, I could go for them whenever I wanted. They called me whenever I wanted. I never noticed anything.

As it is commonly said, it happened right in front of me, without me noticing anything. There was never the slightest suspicion, not even with the grandmother that she could enter when they were there. And this guy, and there was never the slightest suspicion. A guy that knew how to work or manage his image. I ask myself, and from here I make a call to the institution that received one or two family complaints, what was their action plan? What was the delay they made? Why didn't they call me? They involved me in the matter.

Come on, dad, are you aware that your daughters live with this character, that has this story? They never did. Where was the support for family well-being? There are complaints of complaints. There is a complaint that the professional group or the professional team of these institutions can give a concept of that person. But in the second it is so strong that we take, we receive, and that's it. I mean, I understand that the people who work in these institutions go to fulfill a schedule,

and only to fulfill, receive, and go to the archive. They never told you anything about this person? No, never normal fights of a couple, never that they became so aggressive, violent, never my daughters told me. I had good communication with my daughters, I don't know what happened, something, I ask myself, I didn't gain enough trust from my daughters and they saw something strange. It was also a tragedy that could have been prevented.

The people who had a closer access to this family saw certain things and never contacted me. They didn't send me a message. No one told me anything.

Daisy, your ex-wife, denounced you for family violence and violence during two occasions. Did you never know about that?

I never had knowledge. I came to find out when they summarized the file. That's when I came to find out about the two complaints when they summed up the file.

What did your daughters say about him? How did he treat them?

Normal, a normal person. I talked to them, Daddy, Mommy, who are you at home with? I'm with my mom, Camilo and Daniela, an example. They were just fighting or something, nothing more than normal fights. No, my mom is upset because she is fighting with Camilo, dad, but nothing more.

Okay, let's go.

Do you think they did it so as not to worry you?

Sometimes yes, sometimes not, sometimes because the mother told them, no one should know about our life as we live in our house. nuestra como vemos en nuestra casa cuando ibas a recoger las lo hacías en la casa de ellos o los esperaba en él? no los esperaba en una esquina porque pues deduzco yo que de pronto este personaje se disgustaba yo no iba al frente de la casa de ella iba en la esquina que la esquina queda aproximadamente como unos 40 metros de la casa de ellas y al frente a unos 20 of the house, I was in the corner, which is approximately 40 meters from their house,

and in front of a bakery that I used to go to when we didn't go out. I would come home late, maybe one or two hours, and we would sit down to talk about the week, how we were doing, what was coming for the week, how you were doing, what you needed, and we would sit down to have coffee and juice and talk. Because sometimes it's not the amount of time, it's the quality. But we were always in contact. I would be in contact with him for an average of 8 days.

How long had Daisy been with him?

About 10 and a half years.

When did the complaints start? The file says 2024 and 2025. Dos años que esto se estaba llevando a cabo.

¿El qué hacía? Pues lo único que tenía conocimiento últimamente era que trabajaba en una fábrica de ascensores con un familiar de él. No tengo más información. Fue la información que me brindaron últimamente mis hijas. A lo último él no for They didn't specify it well, but what I perceived, I couldn't understand that it was consumed. There was information that indicated that Christian Camilo threatened Daisy that if he left her, he to hurt his daughters. That information is what I understand is also recorded in the last lawsuit, 2025. And this also caught a lot of attention, that from that Friday until Tuesday, when you had the opportunity to get to your daughters' house his ex-wife's house.

Was he there? Indeed. We were investigating. One of the neighbors said he had gone out to buy cigarettes on Sunday. And when they entered the building on Tuesday, he was there. There is also information that when the firefighters entered and the authorities entered, he supposedly took a raticide for life. When you saw me, to present symptoms of poisoning that was suddenly gone, no, he was a normal person.

And now you, Dr. Sikar, is this a normal behavior of a person that you get out of this?

Yes, good afternoon Rafael, thank you for the invitation, my respects Mr. Ferney for this pain that you draw from this. Good afternoon Rafael, thank you for the invitation. My respects, Mr. Ferney, for this pain that you have. What can be happening in this type of situation is clearly what we call a family annihilator. The term family annihilator refers to those people whose level of need for control is so absolute that to control her partner, she probably used pressure on the daughters, or in this case, the two girls, to be able to control Mrs. Daisy's life. Family anihilators are characterized by being narcissists, by being egocentric, wanting have control, for wanting to live at the expense of others. We find that many of these people have many difficulties at work, many difficulties to maintain a job stability, because they are either not constant

or do not easily empathize to maintain a job stability.

And he was with their them for three days.

What is this?

It is very striking. Generally, family members in a short time either surrender, escape, or flee. This person, apparently, stayed three days with these ladies' bodies and with the concern of his family.

The family was thinking, well, we haven't communicated for many days, what is happening? And the subject, having the possibility at least to warn or flee, stays at home. So, that's part of wanting to have total control of the situation. If it's not because there's an operation to rescue, to know what happened, the subject could have done who knows what kind of situations to be able to have total control of the situation. That is, three days thinking what is going to happen to the bodies, three days so that this

subject was meditating on what should be his procedure, three days locked up, thinking how to continue controlling the situation. That is part of what worries us, this type of femininity that you want to control not only life, but death.

And this happens, according to the authorities, it could have been from Friday night to Saturday morning. Is this something that he suddenly went crazy and did it, or this is something that was more planned?

That is a key question, especially that it has an impact on the judicial process. This person was in a state of mental escape, he was overwhelmed, there was anger or intense pain, because it is always speculated about the mental health of the family members. From what we can observe here, this person had always had a need for control. There had already been antecedents, not of disobedience, but of violence, obviously,

against who was his partner, against Mrs. Daisy. There was also intrafamilial violence. The family welfare protection system already had information apparently that this was happening, therefore this subject was a person who already had violent actions before, it was not something spontaneous that happened but there was already a sustained violence in time at least two years before, what does that mean? Not that he is a person

who exploded due to a situation that overflowed, no, he is a person who had a need for control, who controlled himself and who probably at the time of the events knew what he was doing, he was premeditating. In fact, one of the guidelines that gives us to understand this is that intense anger or pain is something spontaneous and overflowed. And the behavior of the alleged aggressor is overflowed. Not here. There were already two years before, before the violence. It was a person that everyone saw as a controlled person, as a stable person.

Those who knew him said, no because it was more or less normal. The neighbors said yes, he went out to smoke. Notice that the level of control of the subject was great, he was not a person who looked wandering down the street or crazy, so to speak, no, absolute control. Because it was known that he went out at least one day, I think he went to the store normal and they saw him as a person and indeed that what it means is that this is a person who

was most likely not under the effect of a substance or under some kind of mental disorder but there was a premeditation among others because there was a sourge. What do I mean by this? The crimes that a person commits, for example an unaccountable one, are disordered, are over the top and they have no intention of humiliating, controlling or offending. There the term scourge appears. Scourge is wanting to do harm. It is not just, for example, a pu**y to defend herself, but a pu**y to hurt and take life from the loved ones of Mrs. Daisy, in this case the girls. That's what it means to be a great anger from that subject, but hatred, there was hatred, there was anger, and that is not compatible with, for example, a mental disorder that would have clouded a person in committing a crime.

We are talking about a person who most likely had control of the whole situation. Is this developing inside someone or is one born with this? It is important to understand that. This type of behavior, we call it evil narcissism, develops more or less from the early stages of adulthood. That is, we are talking about 14 or 15 years of age,

when a person who has had hostile environments, hostile experiences, and who learned that this hostility, this violence, could give them guidelines for life, that is, they learned that violence has some kind of benefit, they learn it, it is consolidated in adolescence, at the beginning of adulthood,

and it is strengthened and it becomes a unique guideline of conduct. That is, it is not that they are born like that, but they are made. It is an interaction between the environment, the family, and the life experiences that the subject might have had.

So we are probably talking about a person who learned to be violent. In fact, what strikes me is that he always showed himself to be controlled, but he really had a great storm inside him and he needed to expose violence to have control. And finally, how do you realize those red flags? Well, precisely that need for control that these subjects have make them possessive, jealous. As they are very vehement in their way of being,

they do not usually generate easy empathy, for example, to have a job, so they are usually unemployed or do not have a stable job. They usually seek to have weapons, whether they are white weapons or see that a knife can be something that he can carry. They are deeply insecure people, deeply violent. They want to control the sentimental life of their partners. They want to control the life of the loved ones of their partners.

And I think that here are all the red flags that make it clear. Perhaps what strikes me the most is that there were previously reports of violence by this man. Where they talk about knives. Yes, where there are death threats, where there is violence. We are talking about the fact that there were already criminal records about Mrs. Deisi, but Mrs. Deisi's character was apparently very reserved,

and that led to this procession being carried out in silence.

There was a minor there, who was 17 years old, but was 15 years old before, and there was no intervention of family welfare, at least that we know of.

No, I don't have knowledge, I didn't I would have acted. No one, no institution, as I mentioned at one point, interacted with me. I had no knowledge of family welfare or where this complaint was filed. No one has spoken to me or any close family member.

No.

To finish, Fernay, what message do you want to give to women?

To women, as I said earlier, they are not property of anyone. They are not slaves of anyone. You are not slaves of anyone. You are free women.

And...

Be brave and at the very least, take decisions and leave these people. One man comes to you let him arrive. Yes, I think that, I wish it was the last case, that's why I speak before and after, a message to more than all institutions and to our lawmakers, the law makers and those who are doing something for women

that women, various institutions, but be effective because this is a tragedy that could have been prevented

yes, it's a call, I already lost half my life yes, there is no reverse I never imagined that this would happen to me yes, so it's a call to women love and be where you want them. Yes, and they can look like certain things, as I said, I never perceived anything, the guy knew how to handle it.

Yes, this happened, I can say it vulgarly, I don't know, in my nose and I didn't perceive the smallest detail. So, a message to the women, to the men, to take care of them. And to those who take care of themselves, to love themselves and to make decisions in the smallest detail. I have nothing more to say. I want to thank Rafael, the psychologist.

How will you remember your princesses, Fernay?

One of the best moments of my life. I have my son, he is very cute. I have another engine to continue my life. How old is he? 5 years old. I want to honor the memory of these women, of these three great women.

Yes, that's all I have left.

Thank you, Fernay. Thank you for your time. I'm very sorry, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming and being with us here in Beyond Silence. I know I speak for all the people who follow us and those who are watching this

podcast. I know they send you their condolences. No father wants to lose his children, and even less so.

Dr. Sikar, thank you very much. It is a pleasure to be part of this program, a way to prevent other situations. Those who may be listening to this, Those who may be listening to this, remember that if there is violence, there is no love.