Ahok: Gue Berani Gaji Menteri 1 Juta Dolar Per Tahun | Unfiltered E89

Is it true that there are some BUMN that are too royal with the commissar?

So this must be two sides, I tell you honestly

Mr. Hock once said he wanted to be the minister of BUMN, right?

Is it as messy as our current BUMN? Yes, you guess it like this, if you have a company He gives you 80 trillion.

Dividend.

Dividend. You're happy, right? But he asked for 200 trillion more.

BPN.

Do you think you're angry with that kind of person?

Yes.

This is the latest DPR salary, the one who just got a house loan.

Does this number make sense? I said the member of the DPRR 1 month 1 billion can also be paid But all your expenses are open Let the government see where it is appropriate Have you ever been open?

In Pati and Jombang, in Cerebon Many people say it's because of the efficiency effect From the central government

What about Ward Pahok? He manages the budget of the efficiency effect of the central government. What about Ward Wahok? He manages the budget of the APBN, it's the same. Not Malak United, what's the deficit, what's the deficit. That's a poor job, boss. If the finance ministry can only do that, there's no need to go to school.

My grandmother can do it too, if so.

Hello, back again on Dan Filter with me, Tirta. With me, Vincent Wow, the location is different, right, Cien? Oops What's more?

More luxurious

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Compared to our studio, we are a bit different

A bit different

Serious

Right, right, right This time we are in Mr. Ahok's room Because Mr. Ahok is inayapurnama or the famous name, Mr. Ahok How are you, sir?

I'm always good Vincent, please This is the first question It's not a question, we can discuss it

I'm not sure about it

This is my office I still need a lift

It's hard to find

But Mr. Ahok said, you can ask anything

As Ahok anything.

As Ahok anything. You can ask anything. We are also free to ask anything. As long as you agree. Yes. I'm not sure if you already know this or not,

but at the state's summit yesterday, Mr. Prabowo said something about the BUMN commissioner. Yes. about the BUMN commissioner. There is a commissioner who only comes once a month, but his salary is 40 billion a year. I'm sure it's not Mr. Hock. This is interesting, because Mr. Hock also became a commissioner in Pertamina.

What's funny is the dynamic between you as a director and a commissioner is a bit different from other BOMN. You told us that you cosplay as a director. Do you think that there are some BMNs that are too royal with the commissar? And actually, what is the real compensation model? So, this is two sides. I tell you.

Honestly, when I just got in, I still worked in private too. In two companies, including my own company. Why? Because the salary is not enough for me in Komut Pertamina. For me, it's not enough. Salary, don't imagine the salary. If it's only hundreds of millions, it's not enough for me.

Because I have a lot of kids. I set up an office, I have a business. I can get more business. When I was working, I still remember, I was working, I was asked, you don't get enough salary, right? You're still working in private sector,

and you're still doing business. I said, it's not enough. I said, it's not enough. Why did I say it's not enough? I don't know, I'm just guessing. Because logically,

in private sector, the supervisor is not allowed to the same share as the director.

Yes, that's right.

If I supervise you, I get 45% of the share and supervise you. I just supervise you. So that I get 45% of the share. You eat 100, right? It turns out, when I got in, I just got in in November. I was given a smaller than him. You ate 100, right? It turned out that when I joined,

I just joined in November. The director gave me a report. Next year, we projected to lose 1 billion dollars. Oh my! I just joined, Boss! It's not about the salary.

I already paid more than 100 million. If I lose, people will know. Like Ahok, right? My haters will attack me. They still attack me. I just said, first, I'm lucky.

Ahok lost, lost, like that. He read the newspaper. It's because of certain attackers. What if I lose? I immediately called the management. They called me.

They reported to the DPR. The DPR said, you feel like you're being bullied, right? Why did you call a meeting? We can have a meeting with the director in a week. Because I'm afraid of losing.

So, we did the cost optimization before there was a name. It's normal. We're businessmen. If we say we're going to lose, what's the cost. But we have to call the management, I don't want to cut the cost that will result in no income.

So it's not efficiency, it's cost optimization. Don't be efficient and make your company have gitu loh. Ini kan bisnis biasa. Terus yang ketiga apa? Kita mesti hindari biaya yang keluarnya gak tang.. itulah kilang kebakar. Terus mobil tangki nabrak orang. Waduh kecerakan meninggal. Itu semua biaya tuh. Kapal nabrak.

Derma gak ditabrak. Nah ship was hit. The ship was hit. So I had to be careful. I didn't want to spend money that I didn't need. I had to call the management every time. Maybe they didn't like it. They said I was a commodity.

I replied, I'm not a commodity. I'm a commodity. I said that. But I was so confused. I said, I've done it. But it's lucrative. In the first year, because of that, the market was lucrative.

800 thousand dollars, if I'm not mistaken. 800 million. 800 million. 800 million. Wow. So, the system is right. So, next year, February, I had recruited.

People from outside. It turned out that Mr. Agus, Pak Agus, he stopped using SPBKP, and became the head of audits. He got COVID. He got COVID, and was suspended for a few months. He got better, and he started again.

He still got it. He saved, if I'm not mistaken, 1.6 or 1.7 billion dollars. He started to get lucky. He got promoted. USD1.7 billion. It's a good thing. The government is officially tightening the regulation. So, we keep monitoring.

The RKAP is being monitored. It went up to USD2.7 billion. Then it went up to USD3 billion. Then it went up to USD4.7 billion. It turned out that there was a regulation from the Minister of State Security and Human Resources. If it's a good thing, the director of the commissioners, the directors, commissioners, and employees get bonuses.

Yes, that's right.

It's called Tantem. The Tantem is 1-1.3%.

From the profit, sir?

From the profit, after the tax. Not for them. That's why you can be counted as a salary of 3 billion. Because the directors can get 40 billion, 50 billion. Because the profit is 5 billion dollars. Back in my time, I talked to Pak Rosan,

he was the deputy commissioner. We were in private, how come the commission got 45% of the profit? We have to pay the salary, we have to be responsible. 45% like that. Pay, pay, take care. It's still clear the responsibility. Not just helping the team, the team says, so, before it comes, we take care of such a big process.

What used to be a subholding, right? Do you know how many percent we cut? Decide. Can I be 1.2%? It's 1.3% right? 1% is okay? We make it 0.9%.

Why?

From the BUMN. I said, above the rules, there is an ethical. I was never afraid to hire a professional in my company. If he can give me this much profit, I'll give it to him. You give me profit up to 6 billion dollars, you get 60 billion, I'm okay.

Why are we proud of being people? My son works in a multinational company. The bonus salary is hundreds of millions of dollars. We're proud of it. But when he's in the country, he's not allowed. He's not allowed because he doesn't work, boss.

He's not lucky, but he's a thief. He's a thief. If you don't want to give a bonus to someone, you can't get it. I think meritocracy get the best meritocracy. Unfortunately, we recruit people in BUMN, not using meritocracy,

I'm close to you, my party, there's no alienation. But I'm not wrong, you want to include people, you can. But prove it, you can give profit. If not, change it. That's what I mean.

So, in principle, private, we have to follow the principle of private. If you're lucky, you'll get tens of billions. It's normal. But what's not normal is you re-enact the book, re-evaluate the asset. For example, my question is, is PLN worth it if it's not given as a bonus?

Oh, I have a question for you.

If PLN is given as a bonus, does it mean that it's based on its assets?

Oh, is that so?

No, it can't be. If you're still at a loss, it means you're still breaking it. Maybe you're just playing on the transmission, you don't have to play on the generator. Or why don't you combine subsidies? For example, we ask people to use gas. Import gas.

Subsidy is estimated at 100 trillion more. 97% of our gas is 3 kg. So, in our house, 12 kg, someone stole it, moved it. The logic is like this. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. How can people not buy it? It's easy, return it with voucher. Use your cellphone.

You still use your savings, you're a citizen. If I return your voucher, you'll get 1 month expiry date when you buy it. If you don't use it, the voucher will be returned to the country. If I take this thing out, I can't control people who steal it. Including gasoline.

It's cheaper, you know. There's only fuel and fuel. I return the motorbike to the voucher. If next week you don't fill it, it means you don't use it, right? I return it to the country. Now, the fuel is always running out.

Gas is rare. The people buy it expensively, you know. That's why I'm a bit uncomfortable. What's the second one? PLN has paid for the coal, everything. The earthenware has been paid for, it's running. The PRTU or PRTD is running in the area. Whether you use it or not, it's the same, it's already burned, right? Why don't you just give a subsidy for electricity? Not 450, but 1,300.

Why 1,300? Because you want to make a power pole, it's 500 watts, boss. 500 watts. You can't cook if you don't have money. But you try, 1,300,000, you give it for free, for example. Everyone doesn't use gas. I was small.

To the power station, right, sir?

I went to the power station. I cooked supermee, I cooked rice, I cooked... All electricity. Because the electricity is cheap. Why I don't use electricity now? My house is only 450 watts. I can't afford it. I can't be rich. So, I said, this is the proposal I made.

That's why I said, I was promised to be on the road. If I'm on the road, I'll make SK. I'll hold on for 4 years. I held on, but my proposal was not accepted. Even though I thought, we have a saving of procurement, it can save 47% of procurement. So if we spend, let's say 10 billion dollars,

I've already made 4.7 billion dollars from there. From the name-to-name combination, direct purchase. Yes, we are such a big company. If I want to buy this water, as one holding, it's cheaper, right? Instead of splitting it.

There we can calculate, it can save a minimum of 47%. So why did I leave it at that time? If you calculate it, the bonus is big. But if you accept it, it's a deduction. In my opinion, the subsidy is wrong. Subsidy is not for each person.

You just combine it with vouchers. You just have to admit to me, if you are a family, you can't get... I dare to give 2 times UMP. Because 1 times UMP is not enough to eat right now. If you're a family, your income is only 2 times UMP, as long as your electricity is 1,300, I'm willing to give it for free. But I don't have gas subsidy anymore.

Then how much do we save on the visa? I don't have BBM subsidy anymore. Everything is in voucher form. Why can't you voucher? I did it in Jakarta. I bought rice. But there was no digital voucher. I said, digital voucher?

I bought beef, 45.000 rupiahs. I topped up. No one in this country is in trouble. Honestly. As long as you don't think about sharing money. Honestly. Sir, this is a popular statement by Donny Oskaria, the CEO of Danantara,

which he said there are more than 1,000, 1,048 if I'm not mistaken, BUMN and BUMN's children. 52% of them are at a loss, he said. 97% of the dividends are only from 8 companies. Mr. Halk once said you wanted to be the Minister of State, right? Is it really that bad? Well, if you have a company,

they give you 80 trillion.

Dividend.

Dividend. You're happy, right? But they ask you for another 200 trillion. BN. Do you think you're angry with people like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is logic. This is logic. Do you know that in my village, my grandmother said,

Do you know what it's called? Have rice, exchange for sweet potatoes. You have rice, you exchange it for sweet potatoes. That's it. That's why we agreed. Actually, I told Mr. Jokowi, I said, this is already a white book, Mrs. Rini. I don't know what the path is. That's from the time of Pak Tandi Abeng.

There is a book Indonesia Inc.

Even though he also made BUMN. We shouldn't need BUMN. Why do we need BUMN? The logic is, if the country has a stock, we can use the Ministry of Finance. We can't have a stock. If we have a stock, why don't we just unlock it?

Like Rugi, for example. Let's take the example of Krakatau Steel. Krakatau Steel. Krakatau Steel, has so many facilities, so many places. If you want to invest, my villagers are smarter.

Why are they smarter? Like Jakarta, they have a big land. Do you want to rent my land? I'll share the profit. You make food stalls, you make a pedal.

Pedal, like that. I'm confused. I said, share the profit. You make food stall, you make pedal.

I was confused, I didn't have money. I run it, it's broken. What's so hard? Because the capital is so big. If I call the private sector, this thing is so big, I don't want to know, I will lose. You run it, every time you sell, I ask for 20% or 10% for every sale.

My villagers are smarter, right?

It's simple, right?

If you can't run it, then it's done. Or the second way, do you want to make money too? Well, use the appraisal to calculate. I have a company. It's a big company, I can't run it.

I can't run it with my children. I want to get money. The country wants to get money, but it's hard to get money. You have to pay a debt. You have to pay a debt to pay for the flowers. If you do that, the company will go bankrupt.

If your company has borrowed money to pay for your loan, your address is messed up. You can't work anymore. You have to think about it. What if I'm sold? Maybe I'm sold to Bali.

It's funny. It's not funny. Don't think about it like this. I mean, let's go back to the topic. If we...

5 million, right?

We can say this. I mean, let's go back to that. If we... BWMEN. We can say this, I've sold 40%.

Owned by BWMEN?

Yes.

I got money, but I'm 60. I have the veto for the decision of the management that is not true. Or you can't sell it, if you don't sell it. But for operational, I give you a minority holder to do it. But of course, basically, it's all meritocracy, right? And we will IPO, right? So, TBK.

Who has a lot. Because my experience in Pertamina, those who join 3-4 partners, that's the best. If you make GV. For example, there is Japan, there is Korea, Korea, China, and Pertamina. Then, the SDM must be decided by the committee. That's a success.

In Sulawesi, everything is a success. We have to support ourselves. If there's a problem with the SDM, we just have to save one minister. Now, you just have to choose. Do you want to make a country or a government?

Are you a leader or just a ruler?

This is really filtered.

You ask me? That's why you're my grandmother too. That's why people say, Ahok likes to look for enemies. I can't find enemies. Your model makes the enemy find me.

Yes, yes, yes. Naden. Pat. You said, if I'm not mistaken, you said it in a row, right? The end goal is IPO, right? No, you don't need an IPO if you don't need it. But IPO is our goal. So that your asset value is clear.

The valuation.

You can't just use a consultant. And the second, the one who's watching is open. Now I want to ask, until the third edition? Don't just use BOM and boss. Our president's money, we don't know where to use it. Our taxes.

When I was the Governor of Jakarta, I bought a lot of water, people knew how much I bought. Now, everything is silent. That's why, look at the DPR. Is there anything complicated? When the education fund, 44.2% is donated to the food bank.

Free. MPG. PDP is silent fund, 44.2% is donated to the food bank. Free.

Free. MPG. PDP is silent too, sir.

I think it's silent too. That's why we're talking. That's what we're self-criticizing. We're close, we're talking. MPG is self-criticizing. You guys are parliamentarians.

Talking. Why is everyone silent in the DPR? Why is everyone silent when the law is passed? APBD, all regions still get approval from the Governor to send to Mendagri, Boss. I've said before in Mendagri, why don't you make e-budgeting like mine? You just need to lock it. So, everyone can't get in.

It's easy, right? Indonesia is a United Nation, so, it's useful for Mendagri to determine. Like the parties that don't accordance with the NKRI. The State can reject it. Why is it silent? Why is there a demo that is already hurt, people are dead, it's complicated,

and then it's taken care of. It's like colonization. We are funny. Like the colonial, I I said it many times. Back then, if I didn't work in the OPQ, the Nyu Tan Nyung Periok port, all Jakarta people didn't pay the PBB.

Huh? Of course.

The PBB is a Dutch heritage, boss. The colonials. Why did I make all my land pay taxes, when my ancestors were already dead, I still have to pay taxes? But the source of income is Pemda, right? People used to say, Ahok used to increase the PBB, right? You have to know the context. I increased the PBB because the price of selling, for example, people in the property market sell 30 million per meter.

The PBB is still 4 million.

Based on NGOP, right?

NGOP. Then play with all the Ognum Notaris, use the payment calculation to send it to us, the BPHTB uses the NJOP, not the selling price. Then, BPK must be in charge, so we adjust it. People accept it, but how can the poor people not want to sell their houses? That's why I'm free, 1M, 2M, don't have to pay later. My plan is up to 5M below, don't have to pay. My plan is to reduce it to 5M, so you don't have to pay the PPP. Our job is to administer social justice.

We don't rob people, we're not Robin Hood. Robin Hood is a criminal. We're given the position to administer social justice. That's what I do. Now what's happening? Check the market price. Many people want to sell their house and land. The house doesn't need to be counted.

The price of NGO's only. It's hard to sell now. What does it mean? I don't ask you to lower it. If you use the basis I use, you adjust the market price. So now it should go down.

If you don't want to go down, the minimum is the same. Harga pasar. Bati sekarang harusnya turun dong. Lu kalo ga mau turun, minimal sama dong. Mana boleh lu naikin harga pasarnya. Payah kok. Lalu di kampung masih jauh. Harga tanah udah sejuta, empat juta. Ini masih dua puluh ribu. Itu untuk tanah perkebunan, bos.

Kalo dia mau jual. Kalo dia ga jual, ya sudah. If he wants to sell, if he doesn't sell, then it's okay. When he sells, he can't be counted. Because the basis is social administration. Well, a house that costs one billion, if you have a rich man, have a taxpayer, a farm, all kinds of things, well, don't do this.

It can be free, right? Like me in Jakarta, a rich man, a pensioner, a big house, but it's a single house. It's a pension. You can't pay the PBB. You have to follow the increase. He doesn't want to sell it either. He can do it by writing a letter, we give a discount.

Yes.

The governor can do anything. But don't be so hard on it. This is a case of being cut and cut, being cut and cut, right?

Many say it's because of the efficiency effect of the central government.

What do you think, Pak Hock? Is that true? On one hand, there is the truth. Now, the whole area is shouting, there is no money.

Yes.

But on the other hand, I say, it's not the efficiency of the appropriate words.

So what, Pak?

If you do efficiency, it's not necessarily effective.

Yes.

You have to optimize your budget. Now I ask, where is the intention to optimize your budget? The minister wants to represent up to 100? Why don't the minister just give 20 or 30? Give 1 million dollars, I'll give it to you for a year. 16 billion, one minister, it's okay. But there is no house of service. Kasih 1 juta dolar setahun saya kasih. 16 miliar satu menteri, gak apa-apa.

Tapi gak ada rumah dinas. Gak ada mobil dinas. Suka-suka lu, masa lu dapat 16 miliar setahun gak bisa credit mobil lu? Iya dong? Masa lu gak bisa cicir rumah atau sewa rumah? Aku yakin kalau dibuka nih, kita gak pernah dibuka tau. Coba dibuka kementerian A. We can't open it. Try to open it to the Ministry. Don't make the minister's house more than 1 million dollars per year. For the staff. Not to mention recruiting a lot of smart staff.

Staffs.

That's all money. What I mean is, why do we minjem duit, narik duit, 700an triliun untuk mulai membayar kewajiban bunga tahun depan. Wah, ini alamat bahaya kita, bos. Kalo di perusahaan, ini udah alamat mebangkrut ini. Ya dong, bener gak kamu punya bisnis nih? Minjem duit di bank. Peng income is not enough, but you still buy a Lamborghini, buy a Mercedes, still the style of life, still eat at the restaurant, then borrow money again because you are trusted or smart,

you are trusted again, the loan is not for capital, but to pay for your previous loan. What does this mean in business? In a moment you will collapse.

Yes. What does it mean to be in business? You will collapse in a moment.

You want to sell assets, right? Indonesia is rich. Maybe one island will be rented for 100 years.

Even though...

While we are talking about salary, you are now the head of the economic field in the party, right? Is it polite if I say that the political party has a business model? Because it also has to participate in politics in this country, and present central figures in the government and legislative.

But this parpol must be sustained, it must continue to run. Is this a transparency that must be opened to the public?

And is it as transparent as it is, Pak?

It must be. If the PPP is actually, it gets an ISO, because it manages the money. One by one, the parties use ISO, including assets.

Hmm.

But it doesn't open fully, I don't know. But it means, the party has more than enough money, it is paid by the state. That's why when I was in the 2nd DPRR Commission, I suggested that every party that entered the Senate, the DPR Senayan, I dare to give 2 trillion capital, hold the KPU, not give capital.

On behalf of the KPU, just deposit it, not deposit, they buy SBI. Now SBI is 6.7 billion. If 6.7 billion, Boss, 1 T is 67 billion. Right? If you have 2 T, it's 100 billion. Is it enough for your party's operation?

And Induk still has money, right? They also buy SBI, right? If 10 parties join, it's only 20 T. It's cheap. We have 2700T. And the money won't disappear.

But that's where the line is made from KPU. What money can be reimbursed, which one can't. Right? So, all these parties will have to be open. To advance. If that happens, our politics will be healthy.

Now what happens? Many people on behalf of the party want to take money from the party. The party doesn't need your money. It's clear that there is a government fund. Don't, for example, the party's activities, you come to support, you say to do a party activity. You come to Cukung-Cukung, you say it's for the party.

What if you buy a new Range Rover for 7 billion? Maybe. Because those who were arrested by the SP said they bought Ruko. That's crazy. CSR, CSU, KASI, BI, to buy Ruko. The others also spread it. We call them.

The names of the members of the PDH came out. The respected people called them. They asked, Hey, your name is on the media. You also gave money to CSRBI, right? We just showed them which one.

We don't know how to pay. So, the one who was caught was smarter, he could pay. He said he can pay. He's a smart guy. But, you know, the confession of the people who are in the struggle in the DPR, they are called the people of dignity. They usually don't take money,

it's true to the community. Although, in terms of ethics, I think it's wrong. Let's be autocratic now, to the party, the members of the government. Why is it wrong?

If you have decided to use it, it's a matter of BI, why do you have to get the name? It's the same as now, there are students, people get students, students, I forgot the name, who are divided by the 10 committees,

education, who are divided. The one who gives. If you can't, why don't you just put it on the government website? Who wants to get scholarship, please go ahead. Why do we have to be a member of the government that gives the constituent? What for? So that we can be re-elected. The new people who want to join, well, you lose. You can give scholarship to tens of thousands of students.

I used APBN, your tax, to get a name. That's how I broke the law. But it's not wrong. For example, I was in the second committee. I was asked,

there's a Prona, BPN for the poor. Prona has the budget. But BPN employees are paid. If you want to measure per capita, you have to pay. That's why the poor can't get a certificate.

Who's willing to pay you? Then there's matri again. Oh, the country gives Prona, it's kind. But the one who gives it is a certain gang. The tuition comes, they give sharing, getting a name. It should be determined.

Anyone who has land below, for example, 1-2 hectares of farm, the government automatically provides a certificate. The government officials, why not do it? So we are a mess in this country, you know. The same with the country's land, it's written as country's land. You have to have a certificate.

The other side that is not certified, what is it? Country's land. Monas also has a country's land. Eh, when the DKI wants to certify, they have a check mark, okay, it's okay. You have to pay the PNP too, the cost of measuring, what cost. Which country is this, boss? Which country do we represent?

So I think there are many illusions in the maintenance to lie to the people, you know? As if you are kind to the people, poor people. But it's a right. That's why I'm now doing a podcast to be an educator politician.

Why an educator politician? Because I want the people to not accept bare minimum. In their heart, they can curse me, I pay the taxes, you lied to me. Your service is only that much. But I'm still the party leader.

If I throw it, it's considered breaking the ethics. Finally, I found a way. If I throw it, it's considered illegal. I found a way. I paid, so it's only my own loss. It's my own loss. I didn't throw it to the public.

You pay 20,000, and you want to know my CNN? While I collect this as a material. I reported it to... I'm like a party think tank. I reported it to the JPP. Then I contacted the government.

I told them, but unfortunately, maybe the government didn't dare to talk about it. Maybe it's because of the sins.

I was afraid.

Maybe it's because of the sins from the past.

That's for the critics. So, it's based on Sandra. The best thing is people are free to talk.

Yes.

Mr. Ahok, you were re-elected as the chairman of the DPP in the PDIP's economy section. I changed the mode to quick and easy. Yes. Now, the system is already regional authority, right? How big is Mr. Ahok's power to determine or give input to regional heads of PDIP to make policies? For example, policies like Pati are regional heads' policies, right? Mr. Ahok must have the power to direct, right?

It can't be like this, as far as you can, sir. So, today, I was assigned by Mrs. Mega in a special way. Me, Pak Ganjar, and Pak Anas. These three are included, right? Our job is to teach the people in the area to know how to find halal money and how to manage the budget.

But when will they join? It's not certain. Because there are representatives, sometimes they want to be a representative, right? Anggaran yeah, but I'm a good bloom to cut the wacky. Yeah, I don't do my job. You're gonna add a little bit of a Sandra Odessa steam now this in a kitabu to can happen if I did proper paddy cutter is a C Kita in in Banya orang yang fresh

Yeah, Punya idealism Kaka me party ideology in it. Hmm. Get a gun. I on the ideology of the Marhainis. What is Marhainis? It is an ideology to raise the poor Marhain people. That's why the Marhainis have to be smart, have money. Like Bung Karno, he also went to a high school. But he tried to raise the Marhain people.

That's the concept of PDI Perjuangan. Marhainism is there. Now, back to our topic. What do you want to do now? If you are in your own party, which is good but limited.

That's why we want to open as much as possible. We have a school of party in Lenteng Anggung. But unfortunately, many people are allergic to politics. I had an uncle are allergic to politics. My uncle was a politician. He said, I don't want to trade with you anymore.

Why? It's scary. A good person doesn't want to be a politician. He said, you're dead. I'm afraid of you.

He said, you're a politician. Politics is noble. It determines the fate of many people. This is what we want. I always believe, I'm gonna do an awesome or a banger. Oh, no, you know, I'm getting in. So I'll put a ya

Look, I see your macam in the coffee. Gula soto sendok pun. La ma ma de masa kurang manis to become a kurangin sendok

Goulanya, they're about a kid. Come on. The harina a pasilla my macam reborn sadar

Yeah, we did what he kasihini gratis gratis

Makan gratis I eat for free, I fill it up for free, the food is good, it's aluminum, boss. The content is like... Why don't you just send a voucher? Like I used to do. Just the teacher supervises, right? Do you still have a menu? If you don't, the old man can be fired. I used to be like that, KJP.

If you don't shop online, or use credit card, you'll be fired. You'll be fired. We have power. It's not like you're a loser.

Maybe you're not rich. Because, basically, parents are happy to cook. It's okay if they have to eat. Maybe they still have a younger sibling. Maybe their mother is still a nun. It's okay. Mungkin dia masih punya adik, mamanya masih ibu nyusui. Ini gak apa-apa. Dulu juga kakek nenek nikmatin sob daging sapi 45 ribu, gue oke aja.

Dia masak sob daging sapi 45 ribu sekilo. Buat anak-anak sekolah, satu bulan boleh beli satu kilo satu anak. Kakeknya yang sakit nikmatin, gak apa-apa. Malah dulu pake duit itu beli pampers. I went to check, online, we have data, technology nowadays. Oh, this kid buys diapers every week. Turns out, I checked again, his feet are swollen. Yes, we can add money.

So, actually, there is nothing difficult about using technology. The difficult thing is if you want to share, your friend gets a project. There's something even funnier, people offer me, do you want to open a kitchen for free? He offered me a job. Luckily, I was pretty good.

He said, No, he didn't say that. We're in Tejata. We want to open a lot of restaurants. I said, you're crazy. Why don't you ever look at me?

I'm always talking. I'm the most angry about the project. I said, do I really want to do that? I'm not that poor. We're not that bad. We protest, why do we have to join?

So, it's hard to direct the heads of the regions to join?

It's possible. We have a mechanism in the PDP. If you don't join, we can call you. We can fire you. Unfortunately, DK Mendagi, you canceled, right? So many politicians have used our party. When we insisted, he canceled it. He stuck to another party. He has money, he can choose again, right? That's why I said it should be holistic.

We have made a ratification at the PBB convention. Nah, makanya Gok bilang, harusnya holistik. Kita sudah membuat ratifikasi di konvensi PBB, Pak SBE, tanda tangan nih. Undang-undang nomor 7 tahun 2006. Di situ ada, itu hasil ratifikasi konvensi PBB melawan korupsi. Di situ ada pasal yang mengatakan illicit endowment. You have to make a PP, you have this much money, you pay this much, you have this much property, is it appropriate? There must be a guideline. We also make a tax amnesty, it's already working. That's it, the ex-corruptor is your fortune.

You too, not necessarily, your grandchild is safe in the world, your nipples, eat people's money. It's not certain either, right? You enjoy it, you're suffering in this world and the afterlife. We don't know why we should be jealous of people who are suffering and cursed by God. Like the grandchildren.

Just leave it. But the new one can't do it. You just have to make it. You just admit it. Corrupt money. It's okay. Your child. It's not certain if your child is as bad as his father.

So you have to start from scratch. If the political party can also use the deposit, or the SBI, this is the system of equalizing the field like this, the salary is increased, you know, the ministers, Dirjen, Sekjen, Irjen,

the salary is like BUMN. Police, Army, Apparat, the lowest rank, directly summed up 3 times the UMP. Where's the money? I'm going to be the lowest in the world. I'm going to be the third lowest in the world. Where's the money from? A lot. So, what should I do?

With the way the party is, the laws, everyone will be silent. And what's the limit? I used to limit it in Jakarta. There's no cash draw.

It's all changed.

The control is there, sir.

Yes. How can you want to support people? Okay, still draw cash, small amount. Maybe as much as possible, 1x UMP. The formula is clear. You can only withdraw money 1x UMP. Maximum.

Everyone has a business like that. How do you know if someone wants to use non-cash? Everyone has a voucher. Just make it a gift. non-tunai. Kan semua ada voucher. Bikin aja berhadiah. Bank semua. Siapa yang gak mau tiba-tiba berhadiah sosimu? Dia baru judul. Mendingan kita bagi-bagi kan? Terus kayak judul, bikin ekonomi kacau balok. Emangnya gak bisa tau rekening bank semua transfer kok? Kalo mau

tangkap bener apa sih susah? Gak ada yang susah gitu loh kalo mau tangkap gitu loh. You can't just arrest them. Do you really want to arrest them?

That's our problem.

It's already a problem, and you want to help people? You can't just help people. You need a subsidy. You can get a voucher. I can make it easy. You can report it. One family, only two UMPs.

Okay. What's the lack of money? School money? I already have it. I'll pay for it. Electricity? I'll pay for it. House? I'll pay for it. The house is still 100 M. You sell your house.

Yes. For the poor people, their house is below 1 M, 2 M. That's it. The government is responsible. What's the problem? So, if we want to unite, we have to save a lot of money. We can save a lot of money by saving the import deficit. And no one steals.

Imagine if someone steals. Oil, gas, everything is stolen. But if you use vouchers, it's done. So, this is what you think is budget optimization, not budget efficiency. Yes, all the principles are the same. Why is Singapore advanced? Why is China advanced?

Don't say foreign, it's cool. We are also Chinese descendants, we want to go to college. But the people there are more original, the people there. But the principle is the same. He runs the country like a company. But a company that is kind. Not only kind, but also because the shareholders are all the people.

He runs as a company, as a CEO, he is responsible for the welfare of all the people. Stakeholder. Also the supplier. That's the basis we have to use. He manages the budget of APBN, it's the same. Not a man, what's the deficit of taxes, what's the deficit of taxes. That's a poor job, boss.

If the Ministry of Finance can only do that, there's no need to go to school. My grandmother can do that too.

Seriously.

Yes, Chen.

You said...

Sorry, I'm a bit emotional. I'm also a bit nervous.

I'm going to make you a bit more emotional.

You said everything is easy. I can't calm down. You said everything should be easy. There are all the mechanics. Let's say there is political willingness there. But why didn't it happen?

For us, the common people, the common people, I'm the same, right? There is a parpol, there is a government, there is a legislative, there is a people. Is there a driving force that may be like invisible hands, which is not seen by us, that makes everything you said, doesn't happen?

No. It's the same brain. Only then it can be better. This is sharing money. This is silent. That's what I always protest. I protest at the DPR, I protest at the DPRD.

Visiting the city hall, 2 nights, 3 nights, 4 nights. So, the same, the pleasure and the wealth of life makes people unable to say what is the truth, what is the truth. This is a strategy, or I hold your tail, I give you all kinds of secrets, or I don't give you a job, This is a strategy. Or I can hold your tail. I can bite you. Or I can not give you a job.

You are afraid, right? You have a credit, you have a wife and kids. How many ASN are you brave enough to fight? How many BWMN employees are you brave enough to fight? How many TNI police officers are you brave enough to fight? You want to die? You will be fired.

You will be fired. What does it mean? But every country has a thought to overcome this. That's why Bung Karno Mwakata gave full power to a president. But the president can't run for president himself. He has to go through the political party.

The political party will be judged. He is the one who brings people to be smart. Harus lewat partai politik. Nah partai politik ini akan dihukum. Kan dia yang membawa rakyat untuk cerdas nih. Untuk milih calon presiden. Begitu presiden terpilih, bukan berarti jadi petugas partai. Petugas partai memang gak salah. Dalam undang-undang konstitusinya begitu.

Kalo kamu ditugaskan kesini, anak buah bikin suratnya ditugaskan. I'm like, why are you assigned here? My son is writing a letter, he's assigned to my interview. I'm not playing around, as if I'm a bad officer. I'm a party officer. Have you ever had a party leader who told me to lie? Never. What's the job? To serve the people well, so that our party gets a name. When people see you do a good job, they will know that your party is well-educated. Orang begitu lihat kamu kerja baik, orang akan tahu partai kamu mendidik kader dengan baik. Kenapa kami harus kerja baik?

Supaya orang tahu, supaya kader PD Perjuangan, partai meamanatkan, menugaskan kami kerja seperti itu. Bukan nyolong. Maksudnya, begitu yang nyolong, dia pecat. Tapi sekarang orang membalikin jahatnya, medsos. Seolah petugas itu kayak menghina, kayak apa. But now people are turning the bad guy, Matt Soss, as if the officer insulted him. This is something that is ridiculous. Let me ask you. He is the president.

Everyone wants to be on the top. Even the ASN, Epsilon 1, 2. TNI Poli wants to be a secretary. The secretary is the one the top rank, right? Combat or something. Pamen.

Pamen. That was the sign of a president through Sekmil. A powerful president, right? What else is not powerful? The highest rank. Meaning,

you have to learn from history. When Bung Karno, I'm not defending Bung Karno, Bung Karno also has human weakness. I mean, MPR decided Bung Karno to live forever. I don't agree with that. Mega doesn't agree either.

2 or 3 priorities, Mega doesn't agree. MPR decided to live forever. The same MPR said, said he betrayed a traitor. How many people have been a traitor in their whole life, boss? This is the logic.

But that logic was reversed. Fortunately, the MPRTAP has been removed now. As if Bung Karno wanted to be a traitor without trial, stated like PKI. Then when Bung Karno as the highest commander, wanted to call Suharto to come.

Pangkosrat, not Panglima Tenil. Come to face. He doesn't want to come. What does that mean, Boss? If in the army. Deseret, Boss. What does it mean? Let's go back. France has been French Revolution, how many times? The French still exist, you know? If this is not going to be fixed, the president does not want to do it with such a big government, you think you don't want to control this, the so-called army, TNI, PORI, all of them can be reversed. History is not new, just repeat it.

So whoever has power, you must remember that God is in charge of history. And you are given such great power by the president. You can do everything. Not just talking about assets. And then talk about

corrupt assets, laws are not enforced. You make laws from your omnibus, the omnibus that creates jobs. There were permissions before. Why don't you make a law on asset abuse? Law number 7, 2006,

the result of the ratification of the PBB Convention against Corruption, you made the PP already enough to arrest. I'm not sure if you can get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. You can't get the PPP. The government. So, don't be weird. This is the opposite of our perspective. Someone said, you don't like Indonesia, then go.

It's your country. We talk, we are afraid of bankruptcy. Because you have borrowed money to pay for the flowers. I'm afraid. That's the problem. I don't want to talk. I have a share in this country. I have a stock too, boss. I have a stock. A few weeks ago,

BPS just released the economic growth rate

5.12%.

That's a typo.

Then, last week...

You're kidding.

It's not possible 5.12%. That's a different way of thinking.

Then we met with Celios, sir.

Typo or tipu? Maybe tipu. What's the English word?

Typo or cheat? I don't know. Cheat maybe. What is it in English? Typo or cheat?

Typo.

He's not being cheated, sir. He's not being cheated.

He's cheating himself.

Then we met with the Center of Law and Economics. An economic think tank. They even sent a letter to the PBB asking to investigate the numbers, sir. Then I called. I asked, investigate numbers it to pop to say panggil set any adadi a jack discusses a muddy PR got karna a defunctive awasan DPR desana katanya

bloom adagitu gimana pock me liatnya apakah probably panggil a PR got a suka-suka gua makam a constitutionally ambil a live function a very area I'm not sure if I'm the one who likes it or not You like me, right? Sir, let's go to the BPS first I mean, if the Constitutional Foundation that we have established has been collapsed, don't expect a lot of people to come Now back to the BPS Is it wrong? That name, you know?

For example, people ask This is just a technique. Is that right? The boss can be responsible. But I don't want to tell you, I took the growth of the steel sales. That's called imagination. We want growth that can create a job. But it can also say,

there's 1.2 million jobs available. Jobs. But there's a report, more than 100,000 people are associated with the new PHK this year. Yes. It doesn't match, Sir. How can there be 1.2 million?

It should be less than 100,000 if I'm a math school. I'm counting, I'm counting, this is elementary school. If there's 1.2 million, and someone has a PHK of 11,000, it should be added 1.1 million, because there's no PHK. But there's an addition, but there's a PHK. I don't understand anymore.

I don't know where this knowledge comes from. So, who can be trusted now, sir? Actually, this is the most dangerous thing. There's a joke like this. This is a story of a Confucius. He asked his student,

a teacher, what are the conditions for a country to have a prosperous people? There must be at least five conditions. There must be a territory. The territory is just him. There must be at least 5 conditions. There must be a territory. The territory is already sold.

There must be a defense. There must be food. There must be people. There must be trust in the government. You only need one. What else do you need?

Trust. That's what I'm most worried about. The government now, don't keep using this 5.2 data. It's not wrong. They don't mention where they get it from.

For the people, our understanding, our perspective, economic growth, if you want to absorb so many workers, the minimum is 100%. That's the meaning of manufacturing.

Right?

If you play this, you'll lose the people's trust. Sekian persen itu arti manufaktur. Ya dong? Nah, kalau lu main gini sampai hilang keberjayaan rakyat. Pak, Jabatan Gubernur DKI Jakarta kan rekannya Bapak, Pak Pramonoz kan sekarang sedang menjabat. Nah, saya nggak tahu Bapak aware apa nggak, tapi Jabatan Gubernur kan kursi panas. Saya nggak tahu Bapak tahu apa nggak ya? Kursi panas banyak guna-guna, Pak. Especially, it's so useful. But, from us, I feel that, since the election of Mr. Pramono yesterday, the public's enthusiasm towards this candidate has decreased.

Is it because they are tired of the national one or not? Maybe, on the good side, we now see that Mr. Pram you are rarely criticized by the media. Is this a good thing or not? Because all this time, the story is like, if you're in Jakarta, you'll run to the national team. Is this a good thing so that you can create continuity for you?

So, you're more focused on your work. I don't know. But for sure, the number of WAC is almost being held by many successful teams. Many of them complained about the current situation. Including the increase of GDP in Jakarta. According to them, selling land should be difficult for the NGOP. I want to build a public housing in Jakarta. They think that if we sell our land,

it will be difficult for the NGOP. It means that we have achieved it. It's almost there. Jakarta doesn't need to build a public housing. This is the logic. If we want to build a parking lot, people will complain.

That's why I meet Mr. Pramono. We discuss. He is being raised. People complain. That's why I routinely want to meet, later I will meet Pak Pramono. Discuss. He is the Governor, not me. As a friend, I will deliver the complaints that I have kept. People complain about me, well, every 2-3 months I will report to Pak Governor. To make a decision that adminminister social justice. Will the PBB be free up to 5 billion?

2 billion will be free. But those who are able to, must approach the market price. The principle is that the PBB and JOP must not be above the market price. Those who are below, we need to discuss. For example, parking is one down there. That's the basis, we need to discuss it. For example, if you want to build a parking lot, I used to provide a bus with a floor that goes around the city of Sudirman-Tamlin.

So that I can prepare a free parking lot under Monas, to be dug up. It hasn't happened yet. So that if people's motorbikes want to park in Sudirman-Tamlin, it's expensive, I'm in my hall, I'm on my way to the crowd, and I can get on a bus. People are protesting me, saying I'm blocking the motorbike. Because the motorbike is also a hindrance to the crowd, right?

I understand that. You can go behind the crowd. But politics, right? Politics is something ordinary. Ordinary. But the most important thing for me,

we shouldn't lose hope to keep conveying the truth. Why is it so quiet today? I'm worried. This is in the textbook. Why do people come so enthusiastically? Because people put their hopes. Because they believe in your authenticity. In your leadership. You're competent.

People believe. When I was in Jakarta, people came to fund the campaign. People were so sure they could make a change. But then it went down. People said, you don't work, it's different. I went forward, I raised 70 billion people to donate for the campaign. Until the KPUD stopped.

More than 76 billion, if I'm not mistaken. Then we returned a few billion. That means people will support you because they know you're working. You're transparent. The thing that worries me the most is

that people nowadays are apathetic. It's useless to talk. You're not here. It's like a complaint I made. Why did I leave? Because people Hello. Don't say begin. No, but we'll set in your car. No, no, no, no, no, no Not know what I had a lot more money as part gang dear Uma and a base of silence Oh, my father that I got some value and some easy. We're gonna get out of it. Yeah, they're not for lunch. Oh, yeah, some more. I'm a lot more the public I'm not trying to be a bad guy. It's the same as the WHO. I'm a WHO member. I'm responsible.

I put my documents in the bag. I clean it up. I check it when I get home. If people want to go to the WHO again, there's a problem. If the people are in trouble, sometimes hospitals, like BPJS, don't want to take responsibility for this or that.

People don't have money10 million can get sick and can't walk. If the company doesn't pay the private sector. That's the function of the government. My question is, if I'm in trouble, who do I look for? Imagine if politicians stick big photos, they don't have their phone numbers anymore. If I give my phone number,

now I'm suddenly not a civil servant, I don't have operational funds, people are asking for help. If it's true, do you want to help? I have a team, I still help. I have a foundation, I give my income. For about 10%, I give it to help them. We'll check it. Bantu mereka. Kita cek. Nah, itu harusnya bukan bagian saya. Pemerintah dong. Pejabat, gubernur, semua punya operasional. Apa sih susah?

Satu atap, nama orang miskin bocor. Nggak usah bela rumah, mahal. Sekarang atap itu semua ada seng bajaringan. Atap itu bagus. Mungkin nggak sampai 20 juta. Kalau rumah kecil, 7 7 million, 10 million.

If you use 1000 houses, 20 billion, a year, it's possible. So, now I'm worried about people's apathy. I'm the one who's being bullied. What are you doing? You're still talking. You're living a good life, calm.

You have a company, you can work with people. People want to hire you to work if you don't want to be a politician. Because sometimes they want to hire me to work. I'm a big guy. But don't be a politician again. I said, I can't either. I drive a good car, I see people on the side of the road asking for school. I can't help.

That's what my father said. I was at home, enjoying myself. Many people went out without working. I couldn't help my neighbors. So I joined in the conversation, to fight. That's what happened today.

Yes, that's enough. There's a reaction, sir. One thing we want to show to Mr. Ahok. We want Mr. Ahok to react. We collected this from BBC, sir. This is the latest DPR salary,

the one who just got a house loan.

No, that's why... Is this number correct, sir? BBC's version. Jakarta's house loan is more expensive. That's why I protest. I was a thieftester. I was a street kid. They said they were going to Jakarta.

I said, I don't need it.

DPRR?

Yes, that's why I said, I said it at the beginning, why is everyone silent? If you have a high salary, I don't mind. I told the minister, I want a salary of 16 billion for a year. But the other loans were removed.

So Mr. Hock doesn't agree with this, Pak? Yes. You want to borrow money, you want to borrow 300 million a month, okay. You want it. 300 million, 500 million, okay. If you want it, okay. If you want 500 million, I'll say okay. My question is, do you dare to spend every cent we use? You travel abroad, how many hundreds of billions have you spent, Pak? I want to know.

Maybe your English is not good, you want to go abroad first. You travel abroad, spend hundreds of billions, how do you know? Don't tell me you don't speak English, you want to go abroad first. What's the point? That's what I mean. Do you have to go abroad and spend that much money? I said, the members of the DPRK can pay 1 billion a month. But all your expenses are open to the RTI.

Which is appropriate or not. Have you ever opened it? The situation is not open to the public. See which one is appropriate. Do you dare to open it? The situation is not yet divided. In ministries, maybe in TNI, PORI, in the apparatus. Do you dare to open it? You ask the members of parliament to pay 1 million a month.

If I dare to pay, but I ask, later you release it, which one is not appropriate, throw it away.

Do you dare to say it? But in terms of DPR's operation, it's also the most...

Then the law is reversed, it's also late to get out. That's why there are many racists, to go abroad. Then count the number of people who have been abroad several times. I used to reject it. Well, we'll take care of these models. We can fix it. The car, the house, everything. We can fix it. You can sell the house, the house. You can rent it.

Why? Because you want to fix it? If you have money, you fix it. If you want, it's okay. This is not... So, the point is... But I don't want the people to be threatened

as if they don't deserve the office or a high salary. I ask you, do you want to be paid less if you're a professional?

No.

Why are we proud that other people get paid more, but we don't get paid more if we're in the same position? Because you're corrupt, you can't prove your wealth and your salary are not compatible. If you're not corrupt, I'm not satisfied with your salary. If you don't want to be corrupt, I'm sincere. But don't be bullied by the people so that everyone's salary is low to be corrupt. That's the two sides.

Just like Jakarta. I asked the second restaurant officer, the mayor. Sir, I'll be honest. How much do you want to pay a month so that you don't feel weird?

All the documents were done. Then he said, I want three. One child, school, and the deposit money, 5 million, 5 million, and 15 million. This is a personal statement. Imagine, the salary is only 5-6 million, I said, I want 7 million. Finally, everyone bought their stuff, there was a service.

Service, service, there was no more service, no more services. I said, get rid of it. Everything is based on the energy. How much do you want? 15 million. Okay, house? It can be 10 to 15. Okay, 30.

What else? I already have a house. When it becomes a mortgage, I get it. Car? I already have a car. Then marriage, death, law, etc.

It can be 10 million. Okay, 40. Then we live, how much is the price? 10? 50. How much do you want? If it's 50 million, 60 million, it's not bad. Then I give 75. I give 75. Then I give 50 million for the operational fund.

Done. I give 50 million for the signal. 30 million? But this is based on the skill, Boss. There's a point. You don't work, you don't get it.

You don't work, you get it. Now the table must be clean this week. For the meeting on Monday. You get another bonus, 138 million. That's normal. But you can't be a thief.

I'm the one who's a thief. You don't have power. For example, you own an apartment.

This is Oknum.

I'm teaching you. You're a salesman. Suddenly I put up a board. Do you do sales? You have to open it. I told you to open it. I'll give you 5 billion.

Big money, Boss. For you, 5M is cheap compared to your business. So, this country is actually, if you want the opposite proof, the law, non-cash transactions, the salary of TNI P policy salary is being improved,

Transparent condition, our country is rich, boss. This is bad. Next year, we want to withdraw 700 trillion to pay the debt. Oh my God.

Well, that's enough. That's enough. That's just one, sir. Actually, the last one is not a question. It's a request from our followers. They said,

to the members of DPR from PDP, reduce the dancing.

Oh, yes. We've reminded them yesterday.

Oh, yes.

Because it's viral, sir. So, they said, it's bad luck to be arrested. That's a good boy. That's a boy., they got caught. That's a good kid. That's a kid. Why did you dance?

Because the song...

Turn left.

Mo' Merry. That was after the concert. So, this is... You brought the atmosphere. I told him, I sent it. Yesterday, we had a meeting, we called him yesterday

We asked, why are you shaking? I don't know, people are having a hard time People can, it's over He said Seriously, we're shaking, it's funny But it's funny that it's taken by PDIP only

This is a mistake

I was like that, I have to complain to Mr. Hock.

Sometimes, in this situation, I don't want people to be easily provoked for something that is not important. That's right, I agree. What's more important is people demand the budget. Where do you want to go? You know? You're not surprised if I buy something that is billions or hundreds of billions?

That doesn't need it. That's what you need to demand. This time, we have to deliver the right message. But the important thing for me is, you open the budget. Where do you use the taxes I pay? Don't just give it to the Ministry of Finance is like a cashier?

I'm looking for more money. You're a school boy. All foreign schools are like a cashier. Just like my grandma. I don't have money to give to my grandpa. I can't do that.

It's a secret.

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