Al-Falah: An Intelligence Failure?। Open Collar Major Gaurav Arya with Vikram Singh (IPS)

What happened in Al-Fala, sir? The top class people in India who didn't get any place to stay are Al-Fala University students. If 3 tons of ammonium nitrate comes in and we don't know about it, our four villages' systems would have been destroyed. You're saying that at least locally,

if not nationally, locally it was a systemic failure. Do you think that such people didn't cultivate local people? That ward boy, after learning some skills, in 5-6 years, the ward boy said that now I will do the doctor's surgery. He got a fake degree, got it in medical college and became a professor. Over promoted ward boy, will get us anesthesia, will do the surgery and will take the gifts. And in India, it has become Saharanpur, Lucknow, Faridabad, J&K, Gujarat.

All this is a larger picture and it has a lot of importance of policing. We have with us Mr. Vikram Singh, IPS officer, former DGP, Uttar Pradesh. Sir is known not only for his policing work or law and order, but also for the way he speaks. A common man can understand him. It's a very complicated, layered issue. But to make a common man common man in his language, I think this is a very big talent of this sir, that even the one who has nothing to do with the police,

can understand what is the actual police work, what is intelligence work. Sir, Jai Hind, welcome to you. Jai Hind, Major sir, you have been very kind, you gave me an opportunity to talk on your behalf. Jai Hind, Vande Mataram. Vande Mataram, sir. And thank you very much for coming.

Sir, I'll come to the point directly. Al-Fala University. I still didn't understand this. And people said that the intelligence agencies were very successful. And they stopped so much, which could have been done earlier. Because their aim was very high that there would be a suicide bombing with 32 vehicles. But one thing is not getting out of my mind. 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate.

I would have understood if it was 40-50 kgs. If it was 100-200 kgs, I would have put it in the car and brought it. 3 tonnes of ammonium nitrate. It is found in Alphala University. And we know, it seems, but how did it get so united, I want to know from you. How, see sir, that 3 tonnes did not burst, a small portion of it burst in Lal Kelema. But how did 3 tonnes get united, local intelligence

units did not know, what happened to it? Major sir, your question is very comprehensive and it will take me some time, 2-3 minutes, to his intelligence and persistence for which the police is known Congratulations to him, his training and his trainers Inspector Vikram Rathore, who says that he has a little disability physically He can't see, he can see less The way he pursued it day and night He did it without any rest, he put up a poster

Pochaya to me Jitna be salute Karuk Kashmir police co-indu adhikari a day. Rome was not built in a day, nor was Al-Fala built in a day. Nawab Siddiqi, you go to Mou Indore, you are a soldier, you must know, the city's imam was a q judge for 20 years and he had a good reputation. So, these two brothers, Jawad and his brother, together, took 25 crore rupees to the Chit Fund in the name of money transfer. A person named KP Singh filed an FIR against him.

He stayed in Tihar for three years. He had worked in Jamia before, but his dreams were big. So he left his job and came to this business. He bought some land from this Dhanrash in the initial period. After that, the grace that started to fall on him from all sides, which is called the sky of the sky,

the Huda government donated him 75 75-76 acres of land. Did you think that it is appropriate to be so kind to the accused? Secondly, did you not think it was necessary to check your middle east and your valet from Istanbul and Bahrain? Anyway, let's go. After that, the kindness did not end here.

All the other beliefs and whatever the governments have go. After that, the grace did not end here. All the other beliefs, and whatever the governments have given, after that, Khattar's government came. Didn't they think it was necessary? Which government in the HRD minister, all the beliefs that were there,

the All India President of that was designated by JIM. Three passports. One had the Guardian husband, one had the Guardian father, one had the Guardian brother. Didn't you think all this was necessary? This is not a needle in the eye, but a needle in the eye.

You must have heard this word. Face not because of the looks. Looks can be a million times better. But his demeanor, speech and earlier, and in the earlier times, the officials of intelligence and customs used to sit. When a person used to go from the green channel, looking at his attitude, they used to say, you go here, they used to search. Because there was no technology in those times. a So, let's come to the point that you just talked about the universities and their beliefs. You got NAC-A, you got UGC certification. Now NAC is saying that the belief that we gave was rejected. So, I would like to ask the certification agency if it was rejected,

if someone is supporting it, is there any mechanism that can confirm and contradict the support? This should have happened. Now, you have given your place to the questionable people all over the world. The work that is happening in anti-national activities is happening. One thing, Major, I would like to tell you that Dr. Shaheen's

swift desire resulted in AK-47, 84 Cartus and Beretta pistol. So what is happening is that inside your university, the Ahle Hadith mosque has been built. There is nothing wrong with it. The mosque should be built. But, and such gatherings have been happening. Dr. Shaheen's daughters are being told to wear traditional dress. So, these changes that come, is it not necessary to make them understand? And where? 13 km away from Faridabad district headquarters and 40 km away from Delhi.

All these revolutionary changes are taking place and the Tablighi Jamaat is advancing. Is it not necessary to raise the level of intelligence? When the Tablighi Jamaat goes there, it talks about radicalization. Dr Zakir Naik's literature is spreading. We cannot do this foolishness easily. We do these stupid things, we have to try very hard.

One is stupidity. Another is that you should zero in on doing this foolishness. Now let's talk about ammonium nitrate. You tell that there are 4 or five steps in policing. Now, what is the system of policing in a village? People think that there is nothing in the village.

There are four steps in the village. One is the village watchman who goes and tells the SO what happened in the village today. An outsider came, some goods came, someone was invited, the old SOs used to keep track of everything.

something that is abnormal, and you have to report it to the SO. What do the other good SOs do? They make a WhatsApp group in every village, of 4-5 such volunteers. They make someone a Special Police Officer,

by various kinds of promotions. Major sir, your father was a police officer of that generation whom I also saw, my love was that the police job is a penance and you get paid to do that penance. He also worked for 36 years, I also did, And I dare say with all humility that my success rate was almost 100%.

Why? If you cannot do penance, if you are not careful, if accidents happen, if you don't deal with them, they will deal with you.

We, the people, who have received this 3 ton ammonium nitrate. Take an example. This was not the first or the last. I will tell you through this show how many more have been destroyed. Listen to their plans. D6. What does D6 mean?

Demolition 6. 6th December. Explosions at 32 places of explosion, where all the explosions were, Vrindavan, Mathura, Kashi, Lucknow, Red Fort, Gauri Shankar Mandir, Gurdwara, all these were the iconic places of India. This is the intelligence and follow-up of the Kashmir Police and their psychological pressure. Dr. Sandeep SSP Srinagar had put it on his website.

You can hide but you cannot run. You cannot run. And that's why it is said that maybe accidentally the blast was in panic and panic. There were so many officers on social media. There were drugs too.

And we give a lot of importance. I told you two ways of intelligence. There are so many channels in every village. And once I was in SSP Kanpur. There is a confidential office. And you must have seen it in your childhood.

There was a trunk in the confidential office. So we asked, is this a locked, rotten steel trunk? No one knew. It is in charge. the If you look at the history of the people of that time, you will see that before 1947, their front profile, left profile, right profile, their weaknesses, their strengths, their family history, their family pedigree, and how many of their relatives are in the police and government, all of this is recorded in their birth charts. I mean, there was so much research that I understand that that box had more than 10 PhDs.

And the intelligence of their collection was that every place of worship, which means, our men will go to the temple, mosque, gurudwara, church whenever there is a congregation. These were the instructions, detailed.

What will they see there? Is there a man who looks like an outsider? Whose height, height, speech, walk, clothing, and clothing was of an outsider? What are the sermons being given? What is being preached?

If there is any evidence of any attack or attack, if there is any evidence of any attack or attack, immediately come straight to me, be it constable or intelligence operative, I remember the name, maybe Brian Wingfield, come straight to me and tell me. I am not criticizing anyone, I am just giving an observation.

And you see, your phone gets picked up and helloed, and you will get the answer to your question there. See, the job of IAS, IPS or police is a problem. If you want to do a job, you have to go to fashion shows and do judging, you have to do a lot of research, I am not saying this is also very important, but it should not have more than 5% of your time. And if 6% is coming, which is at the cost of government work.

Intelligence collection is not like this. A reporter comes. Your secret service of any big district, in our time, 50,000. So you can run 50,000 all year, so how much is it for per month? 4,000. You cannot pay 400,000, 500,000 to a reporter.

A reporter comes, an informer comes, not for your 1,000 rupees. When you go, like you gave me a very good tea, you stand up and receive it. Mr. Chaudhary did a great favor by coming here. And today the office has become holy with your arrival. And tell me, what should give them respect. They should do some small work.

There was an encroachment in front of the house. You should get that removed. They will break stars for you from the sky. But they want time. Now you have 24 hours. We are with the Minister of Justice,

with the President and with you. And the SPD is with you. Now understand this example is of my imagination. I am telling you in real life. You would have never heard your father playing the stock market or investing. You would not even know. That is why the thing called sterling silver or 24 carat gold or faulat is made when it is not adulterated.

When we have eyes and sights somewhere, when we see the stock market. We become chief guests in fashion shows and we are asked to come to the fashion show. In which world are you? One more bitter thing, I had a circular order. Any police officer, in any district, his average age is between 25-35 years. I hope you won't go to a fashion show like this. I have no complaints.

But where you are posted, it is inappropriate for your image. You are like a father there. And the father who evaluates the beauty of his daughters, is not worthy of being a father and not worthy of being an SP. Next time when you go to a fashion show and I get to know, I will see to it that you are removed from service.

You say I am decadent, I am from the old times, you are worth keeping in a museum, so be it. I am ready to accept it. But if you have so much time for frivolous activities, You said he used to come and ask how many goons are there in your area. I would request you to tell our viewers about this incident.

What was the incident? You said there are many incidents like this. At least tell us about them. Then I will return to Alphala University. Because the local SHO was either sleeping on the job or his team was sleeping on the job. Something was happening.

I am ready to believe that someone brought 50 kilos in the car. I am not ready to believe that AK-47, Beretta pistols, ammunition, information secret of Sacramento they did a rat sale of compost honey like they did Koki we'll go to the pellet police lines we have a good so our police a to test bhi hota tha. Wo har adhikari se jaante the har officer se ki aapka knowledge of crime criminals aur criminal intelligence kya hai aapki. Jaise

write down the names of all the history sheeters in their respective offices, write down the names of their fathers, write down whether their houses are permanent or not, write down which trees are planted in front of their houses, mangoes, tamarinds, neem, bargaat, etc. otherwise I will write down for your dismissal, for compulsory retirement.

One stamp meant that one or two dismissals, compulsory retirement is bound to happen. That's why I named him Yamraj. Today Yamraj's stamp is being issued. So, there was not just one Yamraj. You don't know anything about this place. You have never been to this area.

You play three cards all day. You go and play hookah all day. You are not even a police officer. And the people who were less than 50 years old, Mr. Steno, come here. It was the time of English.

During the course of the inspection, I interacted with Deputy SP Mr. So-and-so. His knowledge of crime and criminals is deplorable and abysmally low and he does not deserve to be in the police service. He is not only warned on personal file but this adverse entry may be placed in his character hear to ensure proper public safety and those who are not instrumental or conducive to public safety, they need to be dismissed from service.

What can happen? The VIPs can be attacked at important places. India. India. India. where the things are happening, we will task you ourselves.

And we will tell you in the evening, and sometimes they become a little brutal, but their hearts are very big. They never harm anyone, but they never leave the harm. Now they called and asked, they asked, that there are problems Jangat Vidya and the things that are happening here

are abnormal because they used to come prepared, it was the time of radio or TV, they used to read and come they used to bring paper cuttings and used to give information about it. If the level of information is not good

then you have to be a criminal for at least one generation then you are not allowed should stay in the police force. Otherwise, you should not work in the police force. You should go and do some business. You will earn more than this. You will earn more salary.

But policing is not a disease of your capacity. You will not be able to do that. Sir, tell me one thing. I try to understand one thing again and again. You are saying that at least locally, if not nationally, locally it was a systemic failure. Systematic, I am not done yet. Yes, please sir.

Please. Do you think that such people would not have cultivated local people? They must have cultivated a lot. It is corruption and incompetence both. This is a great cocktail. If it is illiteracy, of both stupidity and corruption.

Now, you can call it Balushahi or Imarti, but I pray that no one has to experience it. This is corruption, this is incompetence of the worst kind. It's a mix of both. You answered my question before I asked mine. I got absolute clarity.

I was saying that it is not possible that the police does not know or does not have any information to some extent. So somebody along the way has chosen or somebody in the way has chosen to look the other direction. That's fine, let it come, we will see later. That way. Sir, you have said that J&K police did a great job. When they started with the poster of Jaish-e-Mohammed, that officer could have chosen. It is a routine thing.

Call him and make him tight. Make him tight, slap him and he will leave. But he said no. What is this element of policing when the police officer says no, there is something else behind this and until I reach the bottom, I will not sleep. He could have chosen.

The SSP Srinagar, whom you are talking about. Dr. Sandeep. Dr. Sandeep could have chosen to look the other way. He chose not to look. It's a character issue also, sir. Character issue, personal traits and being persistent, dogged and going to...

There is a saying, Mr. BN Malik, the first... ...Iconic police officer of India. I have heard his name. He has one line, be thorough in what you do. Be thorough in what you do and that says everything and I'll give you a practical example

we are two people, one is Arun Kumar Gupta former DGP of Uttar Pradesh and the other two I will not take their names, we catch the kidnappers, terrorists interrogation happens, one officer comes DIG that I have found nothing useful. And today is my wedding anniversary, can I go? We said, what you did, I understood the same. That you did the interrogation while fulfilling your duty and your interrogation. It was not the time of mobile phones that asked Arun, Arun you had 2 terrorists

It's been 3 hours you didn't call, how long will it take? He said, Sir, it will take 3-4 days continuously and I won't be able to talk to you for 12-14 hours

Who was he, Sir? Arun Kumar Gupta Arun Kumar Gupta I said, if that's the case, then it must be something sensitive. So I went to the interrogation room. He had one weakness. He didn't like to eat, nor did he like to drink.

He didn't have any hobby. And like an officer should have, he only knew to smoke a cigarette. He would smoke a cigarette and ask questions. For one hour, two hours,

three hours, four hours, five hours, He kept on smoking and asking for hours. He kept on saying that he wanted to go to the toilet. He kept on saying that he didn't want to sleep or eat. He said that if people eat then the continuity breaks. He kept on saying that he is trying to get behind the eyeballs of this man. He said that he almost got there, sir.

Food can come later, but this moment will not come again. You can understand how much of an application of his mind.

Look at his dedication, sir.

He's looking at me with his eyes together. Don't blink, don't blink. I see sweat on your hands and your palm. Don't blink. Look into my eyes. He is talking about it, asking about it. Everything is a blow hot, blow cold. The goldmine of information that Anand Kumar Gupta has brought out, unprecedented. I find that the same instincts and the same killer instinct in Dr. Sandeep of Kashmir.

God bless them. I pay my respects to his parents and his family and his clan. And those who trained him. And those who trained him. One thing. And the second thing trained them. And the ones who trained them. That's one thing. And the second thing is that I'm going. I went and asked, what's your name?

Where did you come from? What did you want to do? And after that, I said, I want to go to the wedding anniversary party. I want to serve there. And what about the dance rehearsals I did? I want to go to the party.

task to safeguard the people and the nation. There is no place for any leniency or leniency. You have both examples. But if we want to follow up, we have the killer instinct. I am saying this as a boy, but he is like a child to me. If he does not eat or drink properly, even if he has to go to the washroom,

he has to be told that eating and drinking is a very far-off thing. And he is busy. And the register is being filled on the register. And then people are saying, you go and follow up here, rate here, go here, do this recovery, recovery came. The terrorist is not in a hurry.

We are in a hurry. And at national and phenomenal cost. Sir, you told me a long time ago, in this office, that Uttar Pradesh Police works with iron. You might not remember. I remember it very well.

You told me that Uttar Pradesh police work with iron. Sir, I want to ask you that UP police also raided in Saharanpur, Lucknow and other places. And the work done by ATS in UP police is also worthy of praise. They have done a great job. I have a question, I think that how many people have been radicalized by the professors of Alfala University, by the associate professors. And this is one thing, sir, that is one story.

How many Alfala universities will be in India, sir, I don't understand, we have just come in one grip. You are the first such thoughtful person who asked this question. We are considering Alfala as our duty, that we have achieved a great achievement. The question is that the Al-Fala University is the tip of the iceberg.

You have also interrogated very well, I have also interrogated very well. The reality is, let us not live in a fool's paradise. Then it is okay, be ready to go to the past tense. The solution is exactly the same as the international best practices of Israel, China and North Korea. Implement it. What is your compulsion to embrace the enemy of the country?

The one who is not paying any tax in the country, the one who is drinking your blood like a parasite, the We can't do anything about it. We should do something about them so that their relevance is lost. Did you see what the election commission did? What the SIR did? People stood up. We will see you after your retirement.

We will see your families. This is the language of politicians. Politicians use a very sophisticated, constitutional parliamentary language. The language we deal with which knows that radicalization is happening in Kerala, Kashmir, Gujarat, Nagaland,

somewhere, should be a national monitor, who can see nationally, like for example, Alphala, I am telling you one thing, he is blessed that he got to know about Dr. Sandeep. If Dr. Sandeep had not taken interest,

he would have got to know, but after some time, I would have known that it might have been damaged by then. I would have known. I would not have done that. But because of him, the threads of this issue were opened very soon. And the matter came to us. But sir, the thing is that there is a very famous saying that we have to be successful every day.

Is there a national coordinating agency sir? Because police has political pressure on them. I don't want to take the name of any politician because I have been living in Noida for the last 25-26 years and I have seen in Law and Order that the same police force is being used in Noida. In today's date families can roamida. In today's date, families can roam around. In today's date, families come at 11 at night, there is no stress. In one era, as soon as the sun sets, everyone is inside the house.

The phone starts ringing, where are you? In that era, there were no phones. But here, you don't come to his house, you come to his house. You are on the landline, where is everyone? MHA, I will give you examples, IB and the coordination center would be that you will get a call from Joint Secretary MHA that this is happening and if that state is not run

by the government that perhaps would be the state that you are referring to, a call will go. Then also the intelligence IB operatives would meet the local police counterpart and inform them that this is a situation that you are all sitting on some kind of a very explosive situation, you had better intervene and take action. But to what seriousness these advice and these information would be taken is also a million dollar question. That was that an institution

was supposed to be created at the center so that the national coordination is ensured seamlessly Look at our adversaries Our enemy's R&D is running 24 by 7 like Jaish-e-Mohammad and LET Their R&D is running 24 by 7 Their offices don't get closed at 6 Second thing, they don't have any boundaries, neither inter-district, inter-state, nor international.

Our boundaries are district, state, national and international. Now, to address this, the same thing comes again. If we want to stay ahead of them for a generation, in terms of technology, in terms of speed, in terms of determination and velocity, then obviously we have to improve the things in a manner that things happen on autopilot mode and seamlessly. If we are not able to do this, then I think it will be… because things are changing

so fast in the days of artificial intelligence, in the days of machine learning, in the days of robotics and so many things. You have not yet talked about robotics. Their plan was to use robots and inductors and destroy them. Absolutely. My last question to you, sir.

We had a very interesting conversation. I enjoyed it. If we cannot become like Al-Fala University, what should we do at the policing level and local intelligence level? Because we have talked about Haryana, Faridabad is in Haryana. If Al-Fala University and any other able to create centres like Al-Fala.

Radicalisation is one thing, counter radicalisation is another, de-radicalisation is another. But an institutional like Al-Fala, which you mentioned in your first question, the gaps that it does not know,ala type things are not born on the soil of India? Make an example of Al-Fala University and hang it as a Nazir. Start with the promoters of Al-Fala. Where did these promoters go?

Destroy them so that their last rites are behind the bars. There should be an inquiry of ED. Let's make a comparison that this happened because what happened, the promoters of Alphala, Jawad and his brother, they were on the other wavelength, their Maa Singh was there. But I would like to know that this is our own gold mine,

how will we dispose of that mine and it should be decided that the fake coins that are in our economy, like you put them under your feet and rub them, if you didn't do that, then you are sad for your duty. Please be accountable to the constitution and to your conscience both and give exemplary punishment to those who slept over this disaster.

So you are saying the people who were involved, whether it's law enforcement, intelligence, police, anywhere. It used to happen before. It used to happen before, someone would come. I'll give you a small example. You have time.

Yes, please sir.

We have become so indebted. One IPS officer went to Japan for training. When he returned, he brought a camera. The camera was a big thing, from the law enforcement side and intelligence side and make this an example for everybody that if you do a Nalphala, ya phir aapki nigrani mein aapne isko allow kara.

Yeh zindagi ki aakhri rishwat hogi, late R.C. Dixit, DG UP. Otherwise, your throat will become unhealed. When you take advantage of their pieces, you will not be able to say this sentence. This is the thing, sir. I understood what you said.

You have to have that moral character to say this. To say this. Otherwise, you will not be able to say it. it. I know that this land is sacred. It is a blessing of God. And those who will show And what should be done to prevent a Nasir like Al-Fala from being born again on the Indian soil. Thank you very much for watching this episode. We will be back again next week with a new guest.

We will be back again next week with a new guest. Till then, Jai Hind.