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You weren't at Kasia's wedding, you little boy. You weren't there because you were busy or because you were happy to be busy? And the guest? Wait, it was Jacek Kurski. He was. Oppressive, primitive, arrogant, manager of brutal TV propaganda in the times of PiS. Isn't that the only company for you, even at a friend's wedding?

Then go and relax a little. He was responsible for the rejectionaming of the LGBT community.

But I'm not saying no.

He attacked the communities of female activists.

He destroyed the sheepfold of our club.

I'm not saying no.

And the great orchestra. The rat, President of Gdańsk, Paweł Adamowicz, who is fucking dead. He attacked independent media. He hired singles like J Tokarczuk out of TVP and brought in people like Zenek Martyniuk. He spread hatred.

He turned TVP into a private party tube of Kaczyński. And you say he's an important person?

But do you have any complaints against me? No. What are you trying to do to me right now? Like, get lost. Knock yourself out! I'm sorry, it's so funny that I don't even want to argue with it. Do you have any doubts about my moral circle? You're just a child of Stalin and you had so much fun and you got a candy from him?

Why did you take a candy from Stalin? Did you come up with an argument?

Did you like it?

11 years older man.

What was he doing in this room?

He was making friends. I was 11 years old, he was 22. Was he an actor, a director?

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Hi! In Wojewódzki-Kędzierski's podcast on Monday, we welcome Ania and Czesław.

Anna.

Anna and Czesław Mucha.

Wait, I'll move one of them.

Yes.

We welcome you very warmly. Welcome, we have already met Czesław. Czesław is a mixed race dog. Czesław is in good shape and you share a glass together.

I put everything in a glass.

Ania, there is nothing to hide, we have read a lot about you and I think that you are somehow right to complain about the repeatability and predictability of journalists during interviews.

It's a good start. This is a good start. This is a good start. It's a wonderful start. And let's surprise me. Has anything changed in this matter?

I think you'll tell us in an hour and a half, but I'd like to do it the other way around. After all, your experience in this matter is also great. If you were doing an interview with yourself, what would be the first question

you would ask yourself on the day of November 3, 25, which... So what would you ask yourself on the day of November 3rd, 2025? Which one? We already know that the level of this question will be lower.

But how would such a question sound?

I tried to straighten up. Because each of us carries this type of... I think so.

And I'm curious how it would be with you.

I remember how in the first classes at the university, we were asked a general question. The question was to get to know each other, to get to know other students. And at some point, one of the students was asked, Are you happy? And it would seem like a banal question,

especially at the beginning of the studies, when it seems to us that we have caught God's foot, the desired direction, etc. And there was such a consternation in the room, how much, you know, the air was drawn in the moment when a colleague answered no. Completely honest, open, beautiful text.

Did he justify it?

I don't remember. I don't think we were repressing it, we didn't ask, we didn't know each other yet. So the very fact that he opened up to us and answered this question so honestly was so traumatic that I'm talking about it today. Do you remember your answer to this question? I don't remember the same question. I don't remember my own question, to be honest. But I think that if I had to answer the question

whether I was happy then, I think I would answer that I was happy then. But I think it's a nice, opening question. And I think that in my case, it also results from... Oh, I'm sorry. It results from a certain sense of fulfillment.

So for me, this happiness is associated with some balance, with some balance, with a sense of fulfillment. I don't look like a bit of a... I would say a bit of a... ...a bit of a...

I saw the orange of a man in the...

I wanted to say exactly... I would lift you up a bit. I would lift you up a bit. I saw the orange in your face.

I wanted to say exactly what I saw.

You look like you would pull yourself up on this table. Listen, I am preparing for the uncertainty of the elections in the future. I am going back to politics. I am going back to politics. I don't know what to expect. You have a little bump there. I will continue this. Will you give me a hand? I don't know. No.

But it's cool.

Oh, wait, wait, wait.

This is a very good start. Anna is fighting with the chair.

But she wins.

In my opinion, Vega would make a movie out of this.

And when? Because this is a good start. I will sit higher.

Anna, are you with us? I'm listening, I'm with you. Because this is a good start of the conversation. I'm just going to put it here. But seriously, so as not to talk about it like some banal. And when are you a happy woman? I will list three circumstances and I would like to know which is the closest.

I'm terribly embarrassed that my dog is squeaking.

No, because Krzysiek will let him out. Nothing happens. Listen, don't hear him. When are you a happy woman, when you love, when you are loved or when you are successful in your career?

You know what? Oh my God, again. Work makes me free, as some philosopher said.

I don't know if it wasn't some Bolshevik philosopher, but okay.

Anyway, as he said. Anyway, so definitely, the escape to work makes me happy and free. And it always worked. And it was, and it was, it's also such a great, great way to function and live. However, it is certainly good when I wake up next to a man I love and I know that I am also loved and I see it.

And did you ever run away from home?

Did you run away from work to your family and relationships?

You know what? With my family, I don't know if you have children or not. I don't have any yet. With my family, it's a bit like this, and probably many women will confirm it, that when you are at work, you think about your children. When you're with your children, you think about work. And these are all very difficult things,

which are difficult to balance, to reconcile. Plus, to top it all off, with children, unfortunately, there's this terrible situation that they squeak at the wrong moments. They cost a lot.

They cost a lot.

No, the worst thing in parenting is probably that, as far as the TV show is concerned, I get feedback right away. When I have a film, it's a noble piece of editing, I get feedback, I don't know, after a year. When I'm in the theater, it's the same. I have direct contact with the audience. And when I put my energy into the kids, I know that in 30-40 years it will turn out whether I did it well or not.

And this is not a rule yet.

And I certainly made some mistakes,

which will later be a water for a psychological

and psychiatric mill. But wait, you got some feedback so far. About your children. And is it good feedback?

How do you look at them? Do you see that they are talented or have some great characteristics? Very mildly. The gentlemen are private. You know that I'm quite sensitive on this point, but yes, I'm proud of my children. I will leave this subject, because these are really subtleties and we don't want to cross this line. Thank you. But there is a film, probably also important for you, I think, what happened in Madison County, Clint Eastwood, Meryl Street. And there is a nice sentence that the hero says as Robert, You have such confidence only once.

You had such... I would also have to transfer it to professional grounds. Have you ever had a moment when you thought about people, about your professional choices, about your choices at all? You have only had one such certainty?

Hmm...

Well, here, in relation to. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, because... I mean, yes and no.

I have confidence, but it is very closely connected with a given moment. So, it's not like I'm attached to...

I would have to relate to what I've experienced, and I believe that I still have a lot of such confidence. Besides, in relation to love, to private life, I don't have to relate to what I have experienced. I believe that I still have a lot of such certainties. Besides, in relation to love, to private life, to various decisions, in relation to work, these are different types of certainties. Does it mean that your certainty has a time clause? That it at some point is degraded by passing? to very popular in this country, an editor. A lot of people may have a different opinion about me. Different from whom?

Different from me. But I was absolutely sure of what I was doing. For many years I was sure of what I was doing. And I'm still sure of what, still sure of what happened in my life. Because I have a huge respect for the fact that at a certain point, I gave my all and, you know, I was 100% committed.

So I'm not going to diss it, I'm not going to cut myself off from it, even though someone may not like these choices or may have a different opinion. You once said a sentence, I don't know if Piotruś, and I don't even know if I could sign under it, and this is a sentence that when I read and listen, it is filled with some kind of my envy, but in the good sense of the word, that what I have succeeded in life is definitely the relationship, that I have chosen my partners well, so as not to ridicule it. partner of the business is a sub is

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sub is a sub I think it's a great happiness that you can say that about the people you lived with.

It's a great comfort.

There are a lot of different guides, different books, different ways.

I'm afraid to go on YouTube.

Golden thoughts and so on. Being educated about it.

We are surrounded by phrases and experts.

How to split up well, how to build yourself. But, fuck, I'm sorry, you're going to get it, aren't you? Don't just go into something that has been shining red lights from the beginning. I think that red lights kill our imagination of the potential of a person. Oh, because you associate red lights with a potentiometer, right? I understand.

I mean that between red and green is orange and it often leads us to question.

Of course, but in my opinion, and this is also a function of the house in a sense, it is a learning, such a learning of a child, some self-confidence, some conviction of one's own value. I do not claim, of course, that this is an ideal model, I do not claim that it has always been like this and everywhere, and it probably wasn't like this at home either, but maybe because it wasn't like that, I learned a lot of things thanks to it. So that a child or a young person who enters an adult life later and, for example, starts choosing partners, to have a sense of their own value and fulfillment and going for certain compromises.

We often talk about compromises and how much you can go for compromises with yourself.

I was looking at the comments under your posts and now we're talking about this education. And I think you're the type of person that Gawieć and the audience... Oh, that's a bad word. Let's say the audience. The audience, sorry. It's so valuing and stigmatizing. The audience, I don't know, but they do such a thing that they allow themselves to be lectured.

I would have done better, you Ania didn't do that. Do you think Ania is exceptional? No, but I think that here Ania arouses some kind of... It's funny that they keep calling me Per-Ania. Mrs. Anna, you are simply arousing a certain need to write and teach you non-stop through your independence.

I have the impression.

I don't know if non-stop, but I'm definitely not isolated in this. Does it mean that your self-confidence pisses off those who don't have this certainty? You know what, it's not my problem, and it's not the subject of my analysis.

Maybe we should lean on it? Because sometimes we started so personally... Should I lean on someone's frustrations? No. Let's think about how we function. I have the impression that Anna Mucha rarely, and today I am pleasantly surprised,

rarely allows herself to some kind of public sadness, such a public debate with her own doubts. And this is a nice trick to confuse people, not at this moment, Czeslaw.

Czeslaw doesn't agree.

Shut up. Will you let him least, and I think we know each other a little bit. Because I have the impression that you are dominated by one image, Ania. Such a ruffled, shaken, confident self. And I like it when you allow yourself to be over-proud for a moment. Like today, I have the impression.

Is it a bad direction?

I don't know if it read in a different way. I don't have the impression that I have some kind of maturity. It's not a particular pride. I don't have the impression that I am excited shuddered or, I don't know, enthusiastic, especially since it's a difficult word. Don't you have the impression that there was a moment when you imagined yourself as a strong woman, on such strong professional female steriods, and life likes shades. It's looking for them. She needs them. But you know what? The fact that I'm strong in my work, the fact that I'm strong in public, doesn't mean that I don't have a soft stomach

and I'm not wonderfully soft somewhere where there's no... I don't turn off the camera, I don't open, I don't turn on the phone, I don't do... I don't publish on the camera, I don't open, I don't turn on the phone, I don't do, I don't publish all these things, I don't allow anyone to do it. Anyway, God, honey, are you really asking about it?

A little bit to make it softer, a few days ago, there was an excellent interview years old, he was told to change his name to Lenny Williams. Because Leonardo DiCaprio was too ethnic. Have you ever had such suggestions or proposals about your name, that it is too entomological?

No, never. Never. I mean, and here it will sound nice. Andrzej Wajda, in the first days, in the first moments, and in the first moments when I was on the set, today we would say he swallowed, but it is not the right word, especially in the context of Wajda, but he accepted it and immediately grabbed it, he caught this name and it's, you know, it's going with me. It's a heritage that I have.

I think it's a stamp name. But it's remembered.

It sounds good, like Dexter Holland's The Offspring also has such a story. And tell me, because Mateusz Damienski was here last week and I asked him a question. How is it that many children's actors who enter this world very, very young, many parts are successful and some are not. And we love them when they are a few years old.

Look, he has a necklace and a necklace. And then they lose that spark and that shine, that talent, perhaps.

Maybe they really do lose it. Maybe we, looking at someone's life in the comics, don't agree with our own flow of time. You know, we always want to see the most beautiful version of our hero, the coolest version of the hero, because it is associated with us, for example, the coolest moments, how the gingerbread smelled in the Christmas period, before Christmas Eve, for example,

or with the coolest moments from childhood. Of course, this is just ...

Is it such a cruel sentiment that we like Kevin alone at home, and we won't watch a new production with Macaulay Culkin.

Maybe yes, or maybe he's just not good enough, or maybe he just lacked a little bit of luck, or it turns out that, you know, he changed for the better somewhere, he did something that caused him to lose some talent or trust or various things. He was wandering. You know, his brother is doing great.

But Makoli is also coming back. And can you lose your talent? Because not for no reason, these kids are entering something that someone saw in you. So can you lose it? Or is the talent not taken care of, maybe it just doesn't evolve? to I think it's also nice and good to set yourself a certain kind of challenge.

But when we reach so far... And now Kuba will reach for his bag and pull it out, you know? A-vega, A-M-like love, A-something, and why are you an actress? Are you a good actress or just an actress? Come on.

And when we reach so far and let's say that today, this third... But we like each other, don't we? I'm you. And tell me if these are research questions.

And what?

I'm remembering a lot of different situations on the set now. I would like to banally somehow turn away from it and say that I got the most money for a film like this and like that, so ...

No, no, let's not make fun of it, because it to be like usual, and today it's going to be different.

There were such films. There were such films and such moments.

Because I remember such a film... It started to get me. I remember such a film, when you want to take a cigarette break, and we don't smoke anyway, which no one will believe us. 1996. I'm also young, you played the role of Andrzej Wajda. A magical book, a film a little less, but with the passage of time, some kind of patina of metaphysics,

there was your character Kasia, built of such fleeting atoms of emotions that you stole this film, the plot, the main character, probably even Andrzej, Mr. Andrzej. And such a built-up role probably never came back to you.

Well...

And what? Because I can tell you as a fan of Polish cinema, that your role in the film Mr. for no one, I associated, and this is only a compliment, with the biggest films about youth, mainly Janusz Nasfeter, whom I had the pleasure to meet, Butterfly or Abel, my brother. A great movie about emotions.

What happened?

I would like to see this film now, soon with my daughter. There are several films that I would like to see with my children from my filmography. And they are slowly entering this age and this moment when... Even Schindler's List? I don't know why I'm so moved. I don't know if I can say it. Anyway...

Let's go back to Mrs. Nix. It was a very difficult moment in my life. A moment in which, on the one hand, I got an absolutely fantastic chance, and on the other hand, I was left... You see, now I have two wolves in me and they are not young wolves, but old ones. Because I wonder how much being honest with you does it make sense?

And how much...

I wouldn't like to give you a hint.

And how much is it unnecessary? Well, it's enough to say that it wasn't a dream moment, absolutely comfortable moment for me on the set. And not the first one, because there were a few more difficult moments before. They were difficult on different levels. Maybe we'll get back to that. But it was a moment when I didn't have much support.

I didn't get much support. I didn't get that support.

OK. But are you talking about support on the set or deeper inside the house?

No, I'm talking about support on the set. My mom tried and tries and is an absolutely wonderful person and always tries to give me support. Not always parents can give this support. Or they hear, they don't see the signals. No, my mom saw, but she didn't know how to help me. We don't always have such tools, I say, now we parents.

We try, we try, but sometimes we just make mistakes and act on the spot. And she had, for example, a very difficult conversation with the producer of this film. I say that I don't really want to be honest or I don't really want to talk about it, because these people are dead. And they don't have a chance to speak up. They don't have a chance to speak up right now.

I touched and touched the history of this cinema, the history of Polish cinema. So, this is a situation in which I have an advantage over them now, and I would not like it to be used in this way. To sum up, she once picked up the phone, was called to Mrs. Śleśicka and she found out that I am a crumb, that I behave badly on the set, that this whole situation is perhaps going too far for me or something is wrong.

Let's remind how old you were. Przypomnijmy ile miałaś lat? 16, 15-16. I jestem z dobrego domu, więc wiele rzeczy, wiecie, pewne rzeczy są istotne. Dobre wychowanie, dobre zachowanie, obyczaje, przywiązanie do pewnych konwenansów są istotne. Jeszcze jestem na planie u Andrzeja Wajda, so these confidences matter. At least that's what my mom thought. And she hears that I'm... that nothing will come of it.

And generally, they think about kicking me out and to turn these scenes with me. And she probably, my mom, who is a civilian, which is also quite important, and she doesn't know this world, probably panicked. She probably didn't know what to do and it was very difficult for her. However, she didn't come to me, she didn't discipline me, she didn't say, hey Ania, calm down, calm down, nicely there. She just gave me a free hand, trusted me. She told me about this conversation much later.

Then there was a second conversation with Mrs. Pec Ślesicka, which was also challenged by my mother, during which words were spoken, I don't know how she did it, but she defended herself.

And then I became a fan of Wajda. I wonder if this film role, we have to go on a break, do you have the confidence to build film and TV roles? No. Or are you still a searcher?

Oh, you added theater.

No, no, not at all, the role you're in, because it's a profession.

I don't have.

Are you still a searching actress, just because it was like that back then?

I don't have. But I have the impression that none of us, entering the scene, has the certainty, you know what, it would also be some kind of mechanical, I mean, it would be cynically learned,

if we entered and used some kind of grips. Of course, we have our habits or grips, we know what the audience may or may not like. But every evening there is still this uncertainty.

Because it always seemed to me that this profession had to be made up of doubts.

Yes, and that is this uncertainty. to I'm not talking about running, but about acceptance. Like me, accept me, come to me, come to me, see me.

And what about your acceptance in your case?

Let's leave it for later.

Let's stop for a moment.

I'm wondering, to close it with a clapper, when he was receiving his only Oscar, DiCaprio, he said, acting is easy, but holding on to the top is difficult. And I'm wondering if you have not've ever said that in your life. That you can stay on top and you're still fighting with acting. Is that true?

Let's take a break.

Yes.

Let's get back to the topic.

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You do it beautifully, really.

Listen, I am a fan of conspiracy theories and often verify them with our guests. I would like to ask an introductory question. Is the industry we have talked about, the media, show business, film industry in Poland in a mood?

No.

Zero?

I think it's small. And where does it come from?

Close to zero.

Where does it come from, tell me,

that this industry, this industry is so easy to offend?

Because of the lack of distance to oneself. Look, you see, now I'm rubbing against the microphone. Because of the lack of distance to oneself, No, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it's a mistake. I'm saying that it's a mistake. I'm saying that it's a mistake.

I'm saying that it's a mistake. I'm saying that it's a mistake.

I'm saying that it's a mistake.

I'm saying that it's a mistake. and he offends everyone in a rather direct way. He doesn't offend, but he's fantastic. He does it against the benefits of his friends.

Of course, but it's a convention and everyone, although they may feel very precise here,

he does it in an extremely intelligent way.

But everyone enters this convention and so on. What happened in 2006 in Gdynia? We have a point! Wonderful! Almost one prepared. convention and so on. What happened in 2006 in Gdynia? Aaaaah, we have it! Wonderful!

I was looking for... We have one prepared.

Imagine, I was looking for...

I remember your texts because I wrote them myself, what would I be talking about?

Oh, and this is...

This is not true.

This is not fair.

Sorry, we were supposed to not talk about it. You were kissing my ass, you know? Was it in the script? No, it wasn't. Please, just deny it. Please, just deny it. Kuba?

But what, my ass? Or a kiss in the ass?

No, please, just deny that you were writing me texts.

Texts? No, but individual sentences on the bank.

You're such a shitty old man.

I'm sorry, I just wanted to draw your attention.

But wait, do you really think agree that I was a ping-pong ball, I can agree that you were my role model, I can agree that you taught me. I had teachers like that, unfortunately.

Not everyone has a chance to meet the second Oscar Wilde in their life.

Hello!

Can I go back to this question?

Wait, I'll be back to you very quickly. But look, she lasted 20 minutes! What a useless old man. My dear, even after 20 years, don't let yourself take away what you have achieved with your own work

and don't let yourself be dissed by some... by some cabotin.

Stop nagging him!

He asked you a neutral question. You threw him out of the festival. One joke that I managed to find in Google. I remember it. French number to French number is in his style.

But I was always tempted to come back.

I demand to stop this dialogue.

What am I going to do? We have to describe the situation to the listeners. Anna enters, Anna leads the festival. Ania is coming in. Anna is running the festival.

I was still Ania then. That's the difference.

Anna is running the festival. Anna does it in American style.

You know what kind of mentors she had.

I'm going on.

Yes, yes. Ignore, ignore.

Anna had a mentor. But you come in in American style. And this convention is is like that. I tried to get these quotes, there is none. Their company canceled this story.

It's true.

Even recently, one, I mean, some publication was created about Gdynia and there is also none of me. Which is very funny, because it was a big scandal.

And listen to what I'm going to. Did this event have an impact on your career? You've been holding a cigarette, so maybe the next question. But were you really a precursor? A cancellation phenomenon that can hit us at any time when you say something that someone doesn't like.

I don't know if I was a precursor because I don't know the history of show business so well, but I would like to check a few life stories. However, it is very interesting that you asked this question. Recently, I had a chance to go to a podcast where Maciek Orłoś was a guest. And really, a couple of things that he just remembered, a few things that he said in that podcast,

absolutely moved me. First of all, it moved me that Maciej Orłoś, today's Dominik 2025, said that after a few years, it had only reached him that it was a kind of creation, that I had invented myself then.

Because he didn't agree that we were driving together by car to Gdynia, I do not remember, but it could be. I hope it was, since he says so, that I was nice and nice, I was that angel in the car, and then suddenly I went on stage and suddenly some monsters came out of me, some dragons, some beasts at all, you know. Suddenly I became a completely different person. And it took him a few years to understand.

It's a lack of understanding of the convention.

Convention, show business. But there are more things there, which just grew. Because not many people ask me questions about this festival, so I will be happy to come back to tell you about my perspective.

I really want to and I want you to...

Can I?

I don't know.

I don't know because I'm in the starting blocks.

You see, because this is a mythical story.

Nobody saw it, but everyone heard it.

Yes, because they heard and saw what was happening, you know, from the perspective of the audience.

And I wonder if this is a film scene, how often there is, you know, the director, the producer.

Sure, but you know what? I was on stage and I was, you know, I got to this microphone. Oh. And it looked very simple. I mean, someone who hired me then, I greet the director, someone who came up with the idea that I would be a to find out who I am, what my temperament is, if I have something to say, if I have... Did you have a script at all?

Fuck, I didn't. And that's the best part.

Wait, to be fair with the facts... I curse you a lot. You were in the phase of a little transformation from the girl people had in their heads... But it's not true. It's true. I think the lyrics were well written, poorly given.

Let's turn off the microphone. It's not true.

Tell me.

The truth is... Thank you very much.

You too, bro.

The truth is that you gave me wings. You blew into my wings.

It's natural.

That's how men are with women. me No, never mind. And imagine that I am, so to speak, I think I'm great cast. Why do I think so? Because I have an audition on the radio at this time, in which I discuss various topics and in which I am not afraid to express my own opinion. For many years I have also a TV program called Ostra Jazda, Ale Jazda and all kinds of driving, depending on who, so to speak, managed the television and had the right to this title.

Well, they didn't choose a minister to run this gala.

Where I, for example, review films. They didn't choose a minister. They chose a girl because they thought she would be a flower for the eagle's coat.

Or maybe they chose a person who to this extent gave the signal that she will be a flower for Orłoś's skin. Or maybe they chose a person who gave the signal to this extent that she loves cinema, that she will understand that at this festival, doing things from the Oscars 2020, this is not quite the place, this time and these people. Maybe it's lack of respect for the festival in Gdynia. I only did it, you asked me, I wrote it. But I did my job.

Here, here, here, here.

Give me a bucket, I'll just throw up. No, because you know, a lie repeated many times becomes a truth, so don't tell stupidity.

It's good that you're talking about it.

It's good that you're talking about it. Because it's so hot. And how is it, as if, as if you already wrote these texts.

No!

But wait, I really want to dedicate. Wait, give me a chance. Give me a chance to say. The last two sentences. But these should be your last two sentences. Your last two sentences.

Oh, okay. You want to argue about one sentence? Jesus, what is it? I did not argue about Saudek. Where is my Saud? Let's go back to this Gdynia. This is my Saud. I got it for my birthday. And this is my Saud.

Saud. I got it for my birthday. He took these photos for my birthday.

I have never seen these photos.

Because they are mine.

Mrs. Anna, Mrs. Kubo, can we... But you know what? Write them down in my will.

I don't know who will be happy with that. I want to finish this topic, because I find it very interesting from the perspective of an observer of the field.

I have the impression that I found myself in the midst of a company that was convinced that a woman, a young woman, should only serve for herself. Misogynism, just like that, misogynism.

We know what you mean. Misogyny Wait, so you're suggesting that if a twenty-something year old guy came out there and also made such jokes,

he wouldn't have been, to put it bluntly, cancelled?

He wouldn't have been cancelled to that extent. He wouldn't have been, so to speak, taken away in that way. Maybe he would have been thrown out. So you have nothing to accuse yourself of, right? So we could question him. Maybe he would have been fired. So you have nothing to accuse yourself of? I don't. Do you know why?

I'm just asking. Because they, in their insolence, decided to tell me straight in the face that no, there is no script. But you just have to smile. Mr. Orłoś will take care of the whole party.

Can you imagine it today? Can you imagine my emotions and my emotions for K in the situation in which I found out about it? I said, here you go. In that case, I will write a script for myself.

And Mr. Orłoś, if he wants to stand next to me and, so to speak, grab these threads later, well, voila.

And then I appeared. Let's change the subject. You didn't appear, you weren't there. Anna. Do you know why you weren't there? I don't want to know the answer to this question. I just want to ask you, because sometimes there are people who are not obviously offended by us. That you don't expect that something will hit someone.

And someone surprised you with their reaction to this happening.

Yes, Jan Jakub Kolski, who wrote to me, that I'm awesome and good luck. But this is the original. I've never played in any of his films. But he's an outstanding filmmaker.

He made the film industry grow.

Maybe he didn't say that I'm great, but he took it... Yes, I understood it then.

He probably wrote, it was weak. Anna, let's go back to the things that are next to you and that are today. Because you are, this sentence, this question, you will definitely like it at the beginning. Attention. You are a master... Good start?

Mmm...

Yeah.

...of changing your life, also private, into a clever public show.

Oh, that's interesting.

And now it's like this. We have this affair with Paulina Smaszcz, we have an affair about how to dress up for the theatre, an affair about the price of oysters in a restaurant, these wars with Karolak in the theatre, a scuffle over the price of oysters in a restaurant, those wars with Karolak in the show, with cyclists, with safes in hotels.

Wait, wait, wait, give me a piece of paper and a pen.

Travelling with a sick child, a war with Joanna Krupa, there's a lot of it. And now I'd like to ask you, because it's not about individual cases. Is this... What will a young skunk do? Don't explain everything to me. Is it premeditation? Is it a marketing plan? Or is it just your temperament? I would like you to treat it seriously. Because I'm curious. Because we don't have any contact with each other, and you have changed a lot.

And the question is, is it me, Anna Mucha, and this is my statement to the world?

Or are these things that are getting out of your head? Seriously. These are not planned situations, planned actions. It's not like that. The moment you go and plan these things, it would be some kind of... Calculation.

Yes, but...

But also some kind of... A clever understanding of the media.

But poor... No, no. Maybe yes, but... But when do you have a feeling?

Because if I show someone a fag, then 30 seconds later I have a guilty conscience.

But why should I have a guilty conscience that I gave a little Paulina Smasz to the court? I have absolutely none.

And how did you attack a restaurant that is a lupin

against the panzernik, which are your social media. I'm not I don't want to hear about how you were treating your parents. I don't want to hear about how you were treating your parents. Wait, wait, because I don't know what you're talking about right now. Specifically.

If a girl like you with a million views on Instagram fights with a small restaurant...

But I don't fight with any restaurant. You cancel exactly the same thing that was done to you in Gdynia.

You cancel it.

I never fought with any restaurant. I just left that restaurant and said that I didn't like it.

And you recorded it by accident or your partner?

No, but I do it the same way as, you know, I tell about that I like it somewhere and I recommend it. I am food. Here, everywhere, it's everywhere, everything, it fills the food. See how I am a diplomat. I didn't say anything. For me, it's a luxury, it's a pleasure. They say that eating is a sex of the elderly.

You're a good definition of that.

Yes, I am, you see, definitely. I love to eat, it's... it's a pleasure, it's... it's fulfilling.

When you go to bed with your partner, do you eat? We do. You do?

We love it.

I'll never join you. Never. For sure. I'm on a diet. No, because I mean...

No, because I remember, you know, when we were with Kuba 100 years ago.

You ate together.

We ate together. And you know, for him it was important whether he would sit on plastic chairs in some restaurant or not.

Only in Italy.

Only in Italy. The most important thing was whether people were serving good food or not. But you were passing through a stage of a certain kind of experience. And the audience was interested.

Anna, a woman, even like you, unique. Pay attention.

She communicates with the world.

I can finish, this is our audition. A woman, even as unique as you, communicates with the world through what he says, but also because of what he doesn't say. And in both cases, I expect results. Are you such a woman that sometimes you don't articulate your requests, ideas, plans, desires, and you expect the world around you to realize them? Yes or no?

If I expect the world to realize realized, I speak about it loudly. I am a member of a generation that, when the table was fucked up,

it had to be said loudly and it had to be cleaned up. Okay, so who and what did you want to say, appearing from a rather obvious and heavily thought-out, naked playboy session. Let's not talk about the form of the photos, but what kind of message was it for you, and what kind for the world? Because I'm curious, I've never asked you about it.

I just felt like it.

And that's the message.

When it comes to the messages and the performance on the Playboy covers, I remember a completely different message that someone else once sent. And it was really, I was on the Playboy cover before, I don't know if you know. Of course, sharp, but a big move. What are you talking about? Well, imagine a twenty-something-year-old girl who is, has a lot of sensitivity and a beard on top,

who leaves the house and in front of the house, in front of her own cage, after she broke up with her boyfriend, sees a gigantic, gigantic cover, a gigantic billboard, a gigantic cover of her man, surrounded by a wreath of beautiful women, demonstrating and showing how great he is now having fun and how fantastic life he has now. Well, sorry, when it comes to the messages.

Could you play a black character? Anna, if you were given a script to play a bad woman, would you have a black character?

Yes.

Yes? I think so too. Tell me, because this is a very important part of the conversation. You weren't at Kasia's wedding, you boy, Maćko. You weren't there because you were busy or you were glad that you were busy? I'm asking you seriously. Because it's important, in my opinion, an ethical statement, these few sentences about

these people.

I'm very supportive of Kaśka. I've been with her for many years.

I accept it. I have no objections to it.

I'm very happy with their happiness and that they are building up again and supporting each other and they hit each other so wonderfully.

Do you have any ethical doubts about the method they hit they hit each other, how they solved it?

You know what? I'm not a mathematician, so I certainly don't know many things. It's not up to me to judge whether it was ethical or not, because I'm not going to be a judge in this case. I'm not talking about the judge here and now, I'm just talking in general.

After all, you are an atheist. Do not use such comparisons. This is demagogy. I mean, Ania, if you could, would you go to this wedding? Probably yes. And their guest? Wait. Was Jacek Kurski.

He was. Oppressive, primitive, arrogant, manager of brutal television propaganda in the times of the PiS government. Isn't that for you the exclusive company even at a wedding of a friend? I want you to answer me very seriously.

I understand why he was there. And tell me why he was there. He was a partner, is a partner of Joanna Kurski, who is, in turn, a good spirit of Kasia and Maciek.

So, as if you were friends with Pinochet's wife and Pinochet would come to this wedding, you would also say, OK, this is a companion, who is a challenge, as if a challenge from a moral, ethical assessment?

It's not about that. The point is that you asked me a question, why he was there, and I answered this question. It's interesting that I have to explain myself now. List of guests, Kaśka and Maćka at the wedding. But you don't have such an internal... I wasn't there.

But wait, we are hypothesizing that you could be there. And I'm asking you, don't you have an internal distribution...

I could be at your wedding too, and what?

It's too late. with Prostate demagogue is some form of, listen, authorizing his activity.

But he is authorized by half of this society.

And for you this is an argument? Everyone steals, and Jania Mucha is pining for a watch? For pity's sake, yeah.

Jesus Maria, he will make a jingle out of it, you know. Don't look at my watch.

Okay, go ahead, tell me.

No, no, tell me, let's talk about it. It's not an authorization of his presence. Let's not pretend that this person is not in our public space and was not an important person in creating a certain public narrative and history of the country. Wait, before you go down a path that will really compromise you...

I'm sorry, I'll tell you this. He was responsible for the exclusion of LGBT communities.

But I'm not saying no.

He attacked the communities of female activists. I'm not saying no. He destroyed the hole in the sheepfold of our football. I'm not saying no. And the great orchestra. The rat, President of Gdańsk, Paweł Adamowicz, who, fuck, is dead.

Yes.

He attacked independent media. He hired singles like Jarek Jakimowicz or Sylwester Ratkowski, who also destroyed me. He brought people like Olga Tokarczuk from TVP, and brought people like Zenek Martyniuk. He spread hatred. He turned TVP into a private party tube of Kaczyński. And you say that this is an important person?

Yes, just like... Well, now I won't say that in a combination of Urban, Hitler and Stalin. He is an important person.

I'm sorry, it's so funny that I don't even want to argue with it.

But, I'm sorry, I...

In what category? What kind of potentiometer do you use?

Do you have any complaints about me? No, I'm wondering that you are so relativizing the guy who is... But I didn't say that he is a good person. You should relax a little bit. I didn't say that he is an important person. Just like Kaczyński is an important person. Just like, you know, what we would wish for ourselves. And you would really sit at the same table with this guy and you wouldn't have a moralnyak?

But do you even hear what you are reading about? with Jacek Kurski, I wasn't supposed to be a fucking moralist, but I wasn't sitting. I didn't say I was sitting at the same table with Jacek Kurski. And if you sat down? He was also my boss at some point. He also fired me from public television at some point, from work. What are you talking about with me?

You made a fantastic post on one of the marches. I don't know if it is, you know, what is the term for the word woman. Damn, I'm not good at this, Ania.

But what are you trying to do to me right now? Like, get lost.

Can I?

No, I don't understand that you could go to an environment where this guy is accepted as a guest of honor. For me, it eliminates. Because I wonder, what desires, I'm finishing, what emotions does Kasia Cichopek handle in your life,

who, when she died in Warsaw on June 4, actively invited people to a picnic near Warsaw in her social media. This is a woman who gets along with you as a feminist?

But is it because of this, I have the right to life, the right to love, the right to create a relationship, the right to happiness?

This is a demagogic argument. I didn't say anything like that.

Kuba, I'm sorry, but when it comes to demagogy, you just threw your arguments at me that are inaccurate. Not at you, but against the woman who would say I accepted you. You seem to have a title to do this. Of course I have a title because I'm a journalist. In a situation where you are only a theorist. Yes. Theoretically you said what would happen if.

Yes. And you are just as good, you are already at such an age that you could, you understand, play on Stalin's knees and also enjoy the fact that you understand ... No, Stalin died in 1953, Anna! Ok, I didn't get it wrong, but playing with... 10 years! Oh, stop it, it's just math, statistics, ok? I felt something like with Tusk. And what, we can talk about you being Stalin's child and you were so fantastic and you got a candy from him?

Why did you take a candy from Stalin? You made up an argument, Anna, you pulled out a rubber hammer and you won't hurt me with it. But you won't hurt me with this argument either. I wanted to ask you only one question. It's theoretical.

Would you be having fun if you were there and it was Jacek? Yes or no?

I didn't have such an opportunity? I don't know how I would have fun, because I don't know if I would... And look me in the eyes, sorry, you are young. I'm not saying the truth. I think it's very nice to be here with you. I respect you very much. I'm glad, thank you. It doesn't change the fact that I respect the fact that Joanna Kurska,

as an employee of Kasia Cichopek in that period... Why did I even talk about Kasia Cichopek in this hearing?

She's your friend.

She's a person I've known for a long time.

Okay, that's not a definition of friendship.

Thank you.

Because I've known you for a long time too.

But it's nice that you noticed. It's good that you're emphasizing it. But why should I explain it to you? Like I told you, I, Kasia and Maciek... You don't explain, we're talking! We're talking. The fact that my arguments are stronger than yours... The fact that you're yelling at me doesn't mean that you have stronger arguments, you understand?

Excuse me, you're raising your voice. Listen to this podcast.

You're raising your voice.

At least I'm alive. At least something is happening, and you don't understand how in a conversation with other guests, where there's just 4 seconds of silence and then ask me another question. You probably didn't understand, Ania, how powerful the silence is in journalism. In theatre, there is silence.

Don't depress yourself with our program.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Because I was at one of your plays. You were? And there are moments when in your comedy, in your farce, people are wiping their tears. And these are the most noble moments. So don't...

Are you surprised at me now, did you? Okay, we'll get to that because I'd like to talk to you. Wait, wait. Let's get back to that.

I remember 1992 and we went to the station with our parents and Mom wanted to go further and Dad wanted to eat. And more or less such emotions accompanied me in the back seat. Thank you.

We have to make a break here. I love you. I love you with all your family. And you know that Wikipedia says that your dad is Krzysztof, but he's Grzegorz. Okay, we won't talk about that.

Break! But don't answer the call, please! Turn off the sound!

Goodbye!

What a demagogue!

I'm going home.

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Let's get to the point. Attachment provided by sklepopon.pl, dot com, I'm sorry, dot com. You took out the out of my mouth. I wanted to say that Kurski, at that time, threw me out of public television. How? You played me like love. But I won't tell you.

We will continue this topic.

Even if we didn't want to, we have a guest

that you won't turn him off. My heart is on the right side. I think it's very important. There is no proper page. Two weeks ago, there was a representative of the right side and he proved that there is no right side.

Donald Tusk, yes.

It's sad.

Well, sad. Okay, hey, hey, Vojvodski, Kędzierski. I'm curious about other stories from life.

Anna Mucha, namely, I have now moved to the United States of America. They called me from my program, I mean from TV. my TV show. An important person, right? An important person dumped you. Well, important, because what can I do? He was my employer. Well, it's pretty important, right?

If you were equally important.

Do you understand? Do you?

You convinced me with this argument, Anna.

Kubuś, I have to go to the baby.

Please.

The word important does not mean, you know, what are the synonyms? Significant, influential, a man who has been creating for 8 years. To let go of his credo in synonyms? For God's sake, let's not use it. But no, wait.

If you were brave, you would leave this TV like many people. And he threw you out. He has the advantage that he said, Thank you this lady.

Yes, and you want to know in what circumstances or not?

You always had such a damn strong character. Really, I really appreciated you for that.

But what are you trying to push me into now and do? Really. Really? Do you feel that I'm trying you? I respect you terribly. I like it very little. I respect you terribly, this is at least, you understand, inappropriate Polish speech should be respected. So I understand that you can throw out words and I can't. And can I throw out the answers and tell you what kind of bad things I've been thrown out of the TV? Do you have any doubts about what kind of moral circle I have? Do you have any doubts about what kind of support I give to my behavior to different people and different women, among others? Do you have any doubts about the fact that I, for example,

imagine this world, however, as a world of equality, freedom, and I would like Poland to grow in strength and beauty, with milk and honey?

You're starting to go with the propaganda of the PRL, slowly.

Maybe, yes, yes, but I'm finally speaking a language that I hope you understand. Now I'm speaking. Kurski kicked me out of the entertainment program, of course, and so on. Of course, it could be dissed, trivialized, and so on. But he threw me out of the program of a very important lady, director, I don't remember who it was, a very nice woman, who told me, yes, we are planning another edition of the Dance Dance Dance program, but you can't do it on the air, so you can't talk behind the politician and agitate. I said, OK, I understand, it's still a bit of editing art.

You'll cut it out. You can't talk about social issues. Look a point higher. You'll cut it out. You can't do it in public space. You can't do it on Instagram.

I'm begging you, I would have left this room. I left this room.

Well, congratulations on your courage and determination.

And at this point, yes, but now you are reproaching me. Do not use this word, because it is inadequate, I said. But how is it inadequate, if you are only talking theoretically about things that did not take place? Do I understand why Joanna Kurska was with her husband at the wedding of Kaśka and Maćka? I understand. Am I, just like Joanna Kurska, support Kasia? Yes.

Good. OK. Is that all?

I started to calculate how much they pay me for this program and how much my word costs in this program.

And there are quite nice proportions, without a word. Thank you very much for 20 minutes.

And I don't get anything. I don't get anything.

Listen, was Blitz-Strasbourg after Gdynia or not?

After? After 2007? Listen, was Liszt-Razmurek after Gdynia or not?

After? After 2007. Yes, yes, because you know what? It got tight in this country. I'm just wondering if it was a story of rebellion and escape in the context of all the situations that were going on here.

Because you went, you cut your hair. We're talking in general terms.

No, because I'm interested in that.

And did you think? I're talking about general things. No, I'm interested in that.

And did you think... Did I think? I don't know. Wait, buying a ticket, renting a flat in New York, that it won't be just a few-month course,

or that you'll stay there longer?

No, first of all, I was running away from myself and others.

But America gives you...

Are you looking at me now? Yes. to If he will be on L4, call me. Yes, at some point this country became too tight for the two of us, so I packed my bags and left. First I went to Asia, I made a very good program for Dzień Dobry TVN. One of the best of your reports I've seen was from Asia.

Zero perfume, zero makeup, zero hairstyle, a chubby girl with a Chinese man in the night division.

Chinese dragon. Yes.

Wonderful episode. I cried with laughter and thought, this is my child. I am Michał Angel.

This is your child who wrote texts in Gdynia. Tell me why.

Not only in Kosiółk. Did you want to stay or did you come back different, different and how many times in your head did you think you should stay there? I came back different and a little stronger, still not strong enough as it turned out later. And then I met wise speakers and wise... Interlocutors, debaters. Are we looking for synonyms? Partners on different levels, let's call it that.

And Piotrek Najstub was working for one of the magazines and he started asking me some difficult questions.

I remember his interviews. It was something different in the mainstream women's newspapers.

It was something different, it was wise and he was listening to the interviewees. And he started asking me questions that I should have asked myself that question earlier. And he actually asked me what kept me in Warsaw, in Poland. And I decided that nothing. And that this is a good moment to go out into the world and invest in yourself and do something for yourself. And that's why I went to New York to school, to move forward.

Serious question now. What are your acting ambitions? Are they more productive, for example? Because I see that you are fulfilling yourself here and you talk about it quite a lot.

Not at all, I haven't even gone through it yet. But we'll talk about it.

Because it's very, very... I'll just give you one anecdote in my mind, which you can tell us. Mel Brooks, a guy who was responsible for the comedy of the 80s and 70s, in the 80s he had a great ambition to create artistic cinema

and he financed The Elephant Man, David Lynch. And few people know about it. And I would like to ask if you have such projects.

I got into this business, this profession, long ago, when it still looked completely different, and I came across a completely unaware as a child. I saw a lot. I saw so much, to decide consciously that I do not want to be a part of this world. I decided to go to a completely different study, a completely different path and a completely different career.

How was it different then? I can imagine what it was like to sit.

There were no tabloids, there were no paparazzi, there was no money, there was no... There was a kind of idea, there was a certain peace on the plane, also to realize some things. And yet, I saw broken life lines, I saw people who were constantly and constantly waiting. This is a profession that is insanely difficult, also because it requires constant... Waiting for the phone? Waiting for the phone, or asking for it, because I know there are people who ask for it.

Or maybe they don't have a choice and they ask for it.

Maybe they don't have a choice, we should respect that.

Do you often get invited to castings?

Not at all.

Really? Yes. I haven't recorded a self-tape in many years.

But you have an ambition. Would you be happy if someone called you and told you to record a self-tape?

I wouldn't use the word ambition in this context. Because it's pushing me into the idea that the only right career path is the one that is less or more in line with Meryl Streep's, let's say. You just have to play for Smarzowski.

Anna, to be clear, I think that you diversify your ambitions, dreams, plans and you're good at it. It's just a worthy admiration and it's...

Look, we could put a dot here.

But you said Meryl Streep. But you said Ania Meryl Streep. I am fascinated. There are several biographies of Meryl Streep. And also, so that there is no life, we do not listen. In one of the biographies, she is asked

what is her greatest talent, her greatest skill and distinction on the acting market, it was a few years ago, she said, how cleverly, how intelligently I can play a beautiful woman. And if I asked you,

what makes you on the Polish actors market, actors, I'm sorry, an incomparable person, unique, with your own aura, what would you say?

Sovereignty.

OK. That's a's a big word.

The fact that I don't feel like competing anymore, I don't feel like waiting, I don't feel like running, and the fact that I have the comfort that I can do it. I don't go to castings because I'm not invited, I don't record self-tapes because no one calls me with such a request.

But I wouldn't call it a lack of ambition. Only a situation in which I have, having such and other experiences for so many years, I came to a position, to the point where I said, I will be a star and a star myself. And today in theater, I have much more freedom, space, self-determination. I'm not just talking from the producer's position, because I became a producer some time ago, but also from the position of being on stage as an actress,

that I come to the conclusion and I come to such a moment when I appreciate the happiness that I can go out and play with people. I appreciate that we are happy and forget about God's world and what is happening around us for 1.5-2 hours. But I want to do more. I want to give space for others, for example, to be able to come on stage with me, but less known, maybe richer, more interesting, and being a bit under my… Mentorship? Under my... Some kind of mentorship? Earlier, mentorship. Care?

Care? No. Cheering? Cheering.

That's a nice word.

Yes. That's a great word. A few months ago, a very talented actor, very sovereign, quoting you a bit, Filip Pławiak, was here and he told us that one of the most important words was the words of Jacek Brąski, who heard the words You are a camera animal.

And today, and this is not an irony, referring to our conversation and the temperature, I will say this not for the first time to you. You are a camera animal. Do you think you use it as much as you are a camera animal?

Do you squeeze out what you can? But not camera, because... Well, yes. to I'm not in a situation where I'm still dependent on whether someone will put me in front of the camera. And I'm already in the ass, to be honest. I don't want to be in this place anymore.

Can you afford it?

You just have to get along with hemorrhoids.

If in the context of today's conversation, if it came to me ... I'm so elegant, aren't I? The successor of Beata Tyszkiewicz. If there were... I got this question when you tried to argue with me, which luckily didn't work because we both respect each other.

And if there were two Annies, Annies, would they like each other? Imagine there's a second one like you and she looks at you and has the same system of judging.

Would Anna Mucha like Anna Mucha? Don't say that this is a theoretical question, because this is a question for imagination.

But you are asking me now, if I would like myself from the past? No, today.

Do I cheer for myself? Imagine that there is another you who has the same ways of judging, the same markers of judging reality, temperament, fulfillment. And she looks at you. Does she like you? Or do you annoy her?

I think that... I mean, this is too much abstraction for me, to be honest. Ok.

To...

I'll tell you what you said, so that I never come to my program. It's about something like that. You know what? I think that I am proud and satisfied with the girl I used to be and I know why I found myself where I am, based on these experiences, which were not always sweet, not always optimistic, not always good, but they were constructive.

And when you look at yourself from 20 years ago, do you like that Anna? Just in a human way. Because I would, for example, hug myself at many moments, guide and say here, it is not worth it.

I would also hug myself. I would also, you know ...

And is there a decision that you would make now, completely different? She said with her finger, do it, go here, don't go there, no, no, no, no.

We are entering the zone of silence, which is always the most intriguing. Can I rebuild this question?

Well, try. I am the author of this question and I agree. We are both proud of each other. Ok. Maybe because we both know what goals we had and we consistently strive for it. And... Although, at times, this road was bumpy.

Ok.

And this is not a question of what you did, but how you do it. OK. I think I'm an actress who is sufficient, decent, confident, and people and viewers trust. I would like to thank you for that. Because it is something that is verifiable and it is verified every evening. And that is very important for me.

Have you experienced a moment in your career, in the series, film, theatrical, that you return to some character and you say, you look, you watch yourself, you say.

I don't watch my old movies.

Okay, but even contemporary, you say, I don't trust her, she doesn't tell the truth, I don't believe her.

I think it would be like that for sure, for 100%. I am absolutely convinced that I could, with a great distance, maybe even with shame.

I'm not naming titles on purpose, I mean the feeling. I think everyone has such a feeling.

I think it's also very natural, that when you watch yourself on the screen, you have a feeling that some things could be done better, or you don't like yourself.

Not even better, I'm talking about the truth, you know? I'm talking about the word that we overuse and don't understand. You see, you say, I'm lying, I'm lying, I wasn't myself in this role. Well, I did it. Workshop.

This is such a broad question that the answer should be yes. There is always something, there's always a bit of truth.

You buy a football player, right? And you make an assessment. Left foot, right foot, plays with his head in the front court. If you were to assess yourself, divide it into the first factors as an actress, where are your strong points?

Being a producer.

No, no, no.

But I'm also talking about it seriously. But you say that you as an actress perform on stage and you manage it all around you? Yes. Also. I mean, among others. Does it also give such satisfaction as being on stage, for example? I have a lot, I don't want to say a lot more satisfaction, but I have a huge satisfaction from the fact that I create space for other actors to work.

So you are a patron of different people?

No, I'm a producer.

No, because, just don't mix it up, because it's obviously a cool, cool joke material, you work with your partner, Kuba Wąs, or me, Kuba Wąs. I'm not asking about that. I mean earlier situations. And have you ever received a proposal from a director or producer, you will get this role when you sleep with me?

No.

No?

I don't remember. It's interesting.

No.

Interesting. I have never been molested either. I mean, I'm not the type of victim.

You have a strong DNA of a girl who...

I got all kinds of offers. For example, I got a set of underwear from my employer. From the employer in Woronicza? No, no, no. It was a completely different person. The story is also probably interesting. But I got it and I didn't really know what to do with it.

I was 20- 20 something years old. And I was a bit disappointed.

But did you read the intention?

No, I wasn't interested in the intention. I wasn't looking for adventures. I wasn't interested in it. So I got it, I accepted it. I got a piece of some rag. I found out that it was polyester, I probably threw it away, as if I didn't care, I didn't go for it. I didn't go deep into it, I didn't think about it, I let it go, I'm sorry. There was a moment in my life that was a difficult moment because it was not in the right proportions. I mean, there was a moment when I was 11 years old, he was 22.

And I think that's... It's already a big deal. It's a big deal. It's already a bit of a code.

Yes.

But was it an actor, a director? It's a big topic.

It's a big topic.

But it was an actor...

But you think that...

I think we should talk about it. Such things happen and you have to... Time does not make any argument here.

You remember your own. It's a wonderful scene when when the father comes into the room, pulls out the door and... My grandmother did it. My grandmother went into the room,

she decided that the situation is inappropriate, inappropriate.

Wait, we're talking about the heroes of the drama. You and a twenty-something-year-old actor?

I mean, an eleven-year-old man. Okay.

What was he doing in that room at all?

He was making friends.

It's a bit dark. Eeeh... He made friends.

It's a bit dark. We're getting into a very serious topic, which we won't go into here. But I understand that the story has a happy ending. The story has a happy ending, because my grandmother kept her absolute vigilance. She immediately called my mom and said that my mom is going to come home immediately because this situation is difficult. She is a colleague from work.

Is she an actor who is working today? She is a colleague from acting work.

Jesus Maria, don't ask me about it.

But she is working today on the market.

I don't know, I'm not interested in it.

But you are 11 years old.

I was 11 years old, I felt that something was wrong. I could also set a limit then, because I set some limits then. However, if I were to be, so to speak, trapped in a kind of a carrier. As if someone was trying to pressure me even more. I don't know if I would have the strength to defend myself. At that moment, my grandmother appeared.

She was shining brightly above my soul. In your program, Kuba asked you about the fire in your house. I don't know if you remember. What do you leave, what do you take? Yes. And of course, of course, of course, he mentioned his photo, his photo in your house, which he takes with him.

Of course, I carry it like a mother of God.

Professionally.

A very nice photo.

Professionally. If you were to choose, that you take one thing and you carry it on this world. This is my favorite thing I've ever done. I like myself for it. This is what it says on the banner. That I'm a producer.

And you have the other side. We look at it from the other side. What don't you take from this burning house? What is the egg in this story? Because each of us, as Kuba said, has such a thing.

You know what? Of course.

And he looks at it with love, because I say so.

We have no other choice, because this is what the process of uniqueness is about. Maturity. Relativization, assimilation.

But I also think that these moments teach us a lot.

Yes, absolutely. That's why, I'll tell you, when I got the biggest applause from the critics, and I really got spectacular applause, it was during one of the film festivals, when I publicly admitted that I didn't play in Katzwawa, if I'm not mistaken. Or there was another film like that.

Before the bad films?

No, no, no. Yes. I'll just remind myself.

All exclusive?

Kacwawa or...

Only Smolensk is below.

And that I didn't decide to take part in this film. And the integration trip.

Oh, yes. Tomek Kot played there.

Tomek Kot, exactly. So I didn't decide to play in this movie. I regret that I didn't play in this movie. Because? Because I would have hidden behind Tomek Kot's back. And maybe thanks to that, for example, I don't know, I would have paid another installment of the loan.

Rather not. Ania, we have two minutes until the next break. I want to ask you this question, don't let it irritate you, because it's not a question about this person, but your attitude to certain values. Just like the conversation about Kasia's wedding was more of an attitude...

But we really lost one entry that we forgot.

But it was important, because it was an issue of a week and a month. You knew Jarek Jakimowicz. We both knew him. Young wolves, one, two. It would seem...

Jesus Christ, yeah. An important person... I popkultury, nasz kolega. Czy ty potrafisz wytłumaczyć światopoglądowe salto, że stał się entuzjastą? Nie, bo mam to w dupie, za przeproszeniem, nie interesuje mnie to. Ale to, że cię to nie interesuje, nie powoduje, że próbujesz to zrozumieć? Ale czy ty siedzisz, Do you sit and think every day, God, what's up with this freak? Do you understand everything is fine or not?

I didn't play one of the main roles in an important film in my youth.

Maisel Watt was an important person at some point in show business. She bathed with Ken in one bathtub. Please, don't throw me into the same pot. I'm in the producer's pot. Oh, thank you very much. ...of this Obelix.

I'm not putting you in the same category. These are too many generalizations. I'm curious, because we've been going through a lot in our lives.

I'm not interested in that.

I haven't even finished my speech yet. Let's take a break, because I'm so nervous. We'll be back in a moment.

We'll be back on, so don't get distracted. We'll finally enter the theatre. Wojewódzki Kędzierski. With good tires, we're not afraid of the sharpest turns. Attachment provided by sklepopon.com The partner of the podcast is Wojaz,

Polish tire manufacturer. Wojewódzki Kędzierski is us, our guest Anna Mucha, The producer is Bówia. How will you react? I had a gigantic dilemma. It was 2 or 3 years after Olga Bułoń always told me to say that I perform and not play. So when I started to perform in the theater 6th floor, a very cool script appeared on the table. I don't know if you remember the movie Dustin Hoffman, Mia Farrow, Johnny Mary. It's a 1969 film. People meet in a bar, go to him, spend the night together, and want to end this friendship, but they can't. Fantastic text, fantastic art.

Do you know that there was a proposal to play it together?

No. Yes. I mean, no, I don't know.

And I, seeing that...

And you just cut your head off.

Yes, yes.

I'm wondering if I did it right. Because it's great, I recommend it to you. John D. Murray's film, Mia Farrow, very young. When was it? When did you get this offer? Today, from a perspective of 12 years ago. And I was so afraid that someone just wants to use us.

A bit like Play advertising. And I ran away. I'm telling you this because...

What do you mean by Play ad? Play ad was very successful.

Yes, but it was commercial.

But you got paid for it.

Very much. But on the other hand, I as a viewer... But would you buy such a proposal? Would you go for it? To expose yourself a bit? Because it was very... I understand why she fell. But I think it would be very...

I want you to respect it, because I think it was in care of everything.

Should I respect the fact that you didn't even call me and you didn't ask me questions and you didn't send me this text?

I'm telling you, respect the fact that I told you that today.

Listen, hey producer, how does this job look like? Because people hear the word producer but they don't quite understand. There is Anna Mucha, right? Let's imagine Anna Mucha. She has a phone, she has contacts, the phone rings, so you call and say,

Hey, I want to make, produce a presentation.

What does it look like? This is the fundamental difference. I mean, from the situation in which we sit and wait for this phone, I do it. And that is a fantastic feeling.

So you created a work environment for yourself.

Yes, but not because... Of course, I joke and make fun of myself that I am a director and that's why I had to get this job. A lot of jokes, a lot of bon mots about this topic, but since we are talking seriously, then no.

I can add one more thing, because it is fascinating that there has been a trend of private theatres that do not have their own home and travel all over Poland.

The trend is not well-known, because there are too many of these shows at the moment.

Oh, you can really say about the theatrical culture that there is too much of it. Theatres that go there, where... I once went with a theatre, the sixth floor, to the Music Theatre in Gdynia and I had the impression that we really gave people a great holiday.

I give this holiday every weekend. Exactly.

And...

You see, it's like... From the beginning, the problem is that people are afraid of the theatre. They are afraid because they think of a basic school, Od początku problem polega na tym, że ludzie się boją teatru. Boją się, bo myślą sobie podstawówka, specjalnie zakładany kostium, strój, trzeba się zachowywać odpowiednio. Ludzie są przestraszani, że tak powiem, teatrem. Przestraszani nauczycielką, która jest surowa, która będzie potem stawiała oceny. I have children in a very good school in Warsaw. And they still, so to speak, they still have this way of thinking

that they have to dress appropriately. So I ask the question, what does it mean when you go to the theatre, to dress appropriately?

I can tell you as an elder, because Gustaw Holubek, I think, was a supporter of the thesis that the theatre grew out of religious mysteries. And for many people it has something to do with the ritualistic nature.

And I would not underestimate this, because we are both fans, out of the desire to tell a story, to entertain the audience, to draw attention, to make people think. We don't always have to make people laugh. The theatre that I create is an entertaining theatre, which is supposed to be a good, interesting, cool moment of joy and laughter. When you forget about everything that is happening, when you turn off your phones, this is important for us from the point of view of the actors who play on this stage. And not whether someone is wearing a T-shirt, or in a hat, or in jeans,

torn or not torn, or in a suit. If he wants to have a holiday and come, because this is for him some moment where he wants to celebrate this moment, here you go.

But on Broadway, no one, you know, cares about it. Well, on Broadway, we were together, people eat hamburgers, drink cola. Yes, we probably haven't reached that yet. Fortunately, when it comes to theater, although recently I had viewers in the first row who drank alcohol with a problem, for example, among the viewers.

And what, monkeys?

Yes, yes, yes.

And courage. I'm sorry to say that. Which then appears. I'm sorry to say this, but you also once, because I saw you on Broadway, where you danced in between the lines. But let's be honest, it was a musical, I had a great time. But not everyone was dancing. One person was dancing. Anna Murawska. And even the women were looking at the stage with a slight, damn.

But no one put me in jail then, and in London they put me in a wasteland when we were playing with Baśka. Europe, Europe, culture. but nobody put me in jail then, and in London they put me in jail for a stand when we were playing with Basia, you know?

Europe, so you can't get up there.

It was great and I remember that we gave... I mean, I gave the beginning of this wave in New York and everyone had fun. People don't love to invite me, actors don't invite me to theaters because I laugh loudly. And they know that I'm there and I'm attracting the audience. I I'm PAULA D'AMICO, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, CZEŃSKA TV PRZEMIERA, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA REVIEWER, TRANSLATOR, POLISH CINEMA And this is the title that is my absolute joy, pearl. I love this title. This is the title in which I put a lot of heart.

I hired absolutely fantastic actors. Paweł Delon, Paulina Holtz, Grzegorz Wąs. Now Hania Nowińska-Konarowska is coming in. So here we are touching the patchwork. I'm looking at you with my eyes closed and it's escaping.

I'm not looking at you. At this bear.

You, evil woman.

But, I'm sorry, you can just continue to pull it as a patchwork, right? And you like such, so to speak, digging.

Why would I want you?

I'm not in the party. You, Anna. I'm not in the party. Mrs. Anna, I would like to ask you, so technically, I want to understand it technically. You have these actors, right? You have a great text, to which you buy the rights, right? Yes. So it's a story that as a producer, you bear a great risk that it will not sell. So the budget has to be tightened and you have to make money on it.

Is this a good business in Poland? Is it also changing and evolving?

I can already see that smile, the money is ringing in all directions.

I know!

But I'm asking you out of kindness, because I want to see, you know, how much heart is being put in here

to just realize such a spectacular logistically idea.

There are three words. Maneta calvares.

Oh my God. It all depends on what financial background you have, how patient you are and how much you are focused on profits. Because it is a huge risk. However, I with pleasure

go through the world in my military boots, ring from Play, and do a few more other things, because then I transfer this money

to fulfilling myself in work in another part. I'll tell you more. On Play set of Play, you weren't there, I think, I said thank you to them for hiring me, because I declare that I'll give this money to the production of the play.

And I did exactly that. I'm satisfied and proud of myself.

You should thank not Play, but someone who recommended this concept to them. Is the name of the fly opening many doors? Yes.

And is it helpful in this business?

Yes.

Have you ever met with a different reaction than this?

Joanna Fly Angelica.

No, that call here Anna Fly, and she says I don't like your political views, I liked you in Gdynia, goodbye.

Of course, yes, absolutely. I don't remember which year it was, 2010. We were shooting Oh Karol, in Krakow's Szedmiejsce. Beautiful, I think, August evening. Is it where you play the lesbian? Yes. And together with my other friends, I will spare them this moment, we go for a walk because we have a break in the photos.

And a kind of, let's call it straight, a tourist attraction was a cross in Kraków's suburbs. It was a relatively new thing. A wooden cross, placed there temporarily. A wooden cross, placed there temporarily. And a large number of people who felt that it was a unique place, a place of worship. I went there with other friends, so to speak, with names, I went there to see what it looks like.

This place was also a tourist attraction, let's face it, calling things by their names.

Well, pilgrims rather wandered there than tourists.

But it is very, very sad and we trivialize the story in this situation. No, no. I don't mean to offend anyone or to touch the sources or emotions related to this situation. I mean that I found myself there among other friends. It just so happened that there were also numerous rows of praying elderly ladies, who at the same time were fans of the most popular and well-known series in Poland, i.e. M. Jak Miłość. They saw me, broke their knees, started to hug me, take pictures of me. It was evident that there was a surge of positive energy.

At some point, a man next to me also asked me for a photo, because the situation began to get out of control, so the manager of the plan, if I'm not mistaken, or some person from the plan, took us in, pulled us out, and last time she caught me. The next day, and it was disgusting, I never corrected it, I never reacted to it, and I regret it.

I found myself on the cover of some right-wing newspaper, because it turned out that one of the people who were photographing me at the time He was a disgusting criminal, a shameless man, a blackmailer. A man I would absolutely not like to have anything to do with. I just don't check who comes to me and takes a picture with me.

People with disabilities have a big problem with that.

Popular people. Recognized person. The next day I was recognized as his friend, because I supposedly came with him and supposedly... But you know that the right wing is their abecedo. I didn't react then. I regret that I didn't do it. Because it was reflected in your question. Do you remember the title of the newspaper?

Yes, I do.

I don't remember.

It would be good if someone would tell you that you are a friend of this and that.

And someone once told me that he would not take part in my project because I photographed myself with a man. It's information noise. But you know what? People believe in information noise. They can't separate it. I know. in the media. They can't separate it. And for me, being a decent person is being a person who

at a given moment can behave. However, I know that I do everything to be able to behave at a given moment. And the fact that someone then makes me a mouth

is a personal matter. But today, this ability to behave in the context of our conversation about the wedding and Kursk left a hole in the alley. Sorry, I'm coming back to this. That when we say that we can behave, sorry, I appreciate people's character. And either something is white or something is black, especially in such moral...

But you were sitting on Stalin's knees. So... Good. Ania, Ania, wait. The Adventure with the Gardener.

Yes. It's already on. Spicy, they're on, summer day, a crown, I respect the choice, because it's a giant. Hope, Wacław rules. Why...

Selfie.

Yes, exactly, selfie. Why should we see a selfie? What's so special about this show? I've read it and I'd love to hear your recommendations. Fantastic creation of my serial husband, Christian Wieczorek, whom I discovered from a completely different perspective, and I saw him from a completely different perspective. Absolutely to be snatched away, Magdalena Sturzyńska.

Great, Pola Gonciarz and Emma Giegrzno. In short, he has a very good cast. And Michał Królikowski. I have a very good text. It's a very good text that's about something. I try to do things, I try to choose such texts and such proposals to give in the theater,

which bring this joy, entertainment, but they are not banal. So selfie is, I understand, again a cool farce, entertainment? I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. But it wouldn't be sexy, a fly theatre for example? No, it wouldn't be sexy because... And theatre doesn't need a house, its place, a rehearsal, a... Our house is the choices and hearts of the viewers.

Oh, that's nice, a message of the day. Listen, we have two minutes. Ania, a very nice question was asked to Mateusz Damienski a week ago. Where is his limit? What would he not play? And Mateusz, prepared for this question, said, I would not play pulling the ring out of my ass.

I'm talking about the movie, of course, Ciacho, by Patryk Wegi. Do you have such limits in your profession that you didn't want or don't want to cross?

If I don't want to cross?

If I don't want to, I say no. I have to say it at the end because I would like to know.

It's interesting that...

Invisible war, legal two-hour car ride from VEGA, love, sex and pandemic. This is a film of a narcissistic amateur, this is a film zombie. There is no value dialogue. And now I would like you to not treat it as an attack, but as my subjective, probably unauthorized review. What happened behind these artistic decisions?

I find great pleasure in meeting with narcissists, in confrontations with the Narcissists, in conversations with the Narcissists and in pointing out the Narcissists. How many questions did you want to ask?

How many are you on the screen in the image of Patryk Wege, Pitbull, New Order, with a stopwatch in your hand? I can stand this look.

Three.

But how many are you? Wait, how many are you? to I'm not sure if it's going to be epic, regardless of whether it's played by Wega or Wojewódzki. So the character of Kini, your heroine, was in your imagination, when you were entering the set, potentially an epic character. My dear, I invite you to the theatres if you want to see the scene. There you can really get into it.

Was it similar with Wega?

An adventure with a gardener, and what's more, hope, selfie.

You're going to mute me too? It was similar with the Vega. An adventure with a gardener, and what's more, he gives you hope, selfies. You will also silence me. No, no, I just... You don't silence me, because I think so, about these choices, that this Vega was similar with this Playm, as you said, that thanks to this Vedza you could just do your theatrical things a little bit, right?

For sure.

Because it gives you comfort to risk your...

I take money for my work. It's nice to take a risk when you have money and insurance. Definitely, yes. It's a much more convenient form.

Mrs. M. Anno, thank you.

And I have one more question for you. You send messages that are not verbal, but are quite suggestive. Do the passing and its impertinence, its manifestations, scare you or provoke you to play with them?

Yes, seriously. Do they scare you or provoke you to play with them?

I have never been focused on my appearance. I have never based my feelings on my own value. And those two ladies who came with you? But you also have ladies coming to you. No, they're powdering me because they're sitting.

No, let's not cheat. There are two, one for me.

Because I have one, you have two. Yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no care or conservation, let's call it that. But neither you nor I have ever built our self on it. The fact that I am a producer today also results from the fact that I am aware that this flow of time progresses with every day, with every hour and I take care to be independent, aware, fulfilled and decisive.

So it's not important to you. It's essential. A costume even for everyday life. Something we can call a costume for everyday life.

It's not fundamental. I don't think it's important.

You give yourself and others freedom in choosing this costume, right?

The question is a bit trendy. It will soon turn out that you'll just pull out some...

At the end, yes. What were the first words you heard when you saw me in the parking lot?

Maybe you looked somehow, you dressed up finally.

Well, he had his kidneys exposed, he'll have a fever again. Okay, I think that's all for this topic. Piotr Dzierski, Anna Mucha, nostalgia, selfies, other... Heroin!

Hope! nostalgia, selfie, other things. Heroin! Heroin, Polish, nostalgia, adventure with a gardener,

selfie. After leaving the studio I will be nostalgic that it's over.

I don't remember my fifth title. Adventure with a gardener.

You didn't say about Wacław.

Adventure with a gardener and Wacław.

But this is just... You haven't seen something like this.

I was talking about the movie. You haven't seen anything like this yet. If the main role is played by Pace, it's only by Anna Mucha. I wanted to say that if there is any value in this conversation, because we tried, and it turned out as it did, no, then all of those who are listening to us today and will always listen to us, we recommend the film directed by Andrzej Wajda, Mr. for Nobody. Because this is the key to understanding many of my questions to Anna Mucha today.

Thank you.

Thank you, Anna.

Thank you.

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