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Beto was abandoned at 15 days of birth and adopted at 5 years by a partner who physically and psychologically abused him for a year. 15 días de nacido y adoptado a los cinco años por una pareja que lo maltrató física y psicológicamente durante un año. A los seis años, escapó y comenzó a vivir en las calles, específicamente en las coladeras de la Ciudad de México. Se convirtió en niño dragón, lanzando fuego y robando. A los nueve años, él y su novia fueron secuestrados At 9 years old, he and his girlfriend were kidnapped by an organization that trained them physically in very extreme conditions. Later, he was handed over to a boss linked to the government. But why did he do these dirty jobs, including kidnappings and murder?

At 10 years old, he killed his abusador, que era un judicial. A pesar de haber acumulado riqueza y privilegios a temprana edad, fue detenido por su suestro y fue sentenciado a más de 70 años de prisión. Él no se arrepiente de sus acciones, porque todo esto lo considera que en la cárcel simplemente lo contiene. Ojalá alguien lo saque de allí, aún es joven. Todos merecemos una segunda oportunidad. Que haya un abogado que diga no hay pruebas suficientes, que le den trabajo de algo que tenga que ver con aviones, mientras él se capacita para ser be an aviator pilot.

He still can. Beto needs his community to let him know that he's a wonderful human being, that he's worth it. Yes, he made mistakes, but who didn't? God forgave him, and we love him. y nosotros lo amamos. Esta es una historia que me mandan anónimamente y es un veto como los que hay muchos en la

calle. Esto sucedió en Torreón, Coahuila. Un recién nacido fue sustraído el pasado 2009 del Hospital General de Torreón, luego que una persona vestida con uniforme médico ingresara a la habitación de la madre bajo in 2009 from the General Hospital of Torreon. After a person dressed in a medical uniform entered the mother's room under the pretext of conducting routine studies.

The mother, identified as Mariela, along with her husband and father of the newborn, denounced the disappearance of the baby. The security cameras confirmed that the minor was taken out of the hospital. After months of investigation, the authorities arrested a 32-year-old man linked to an illegal adoption network.

During the interrogation, the detainee confessed to having abducted the minor and at least six others. Months after the arrest, this investigation took a devastating turn. Authorities confirmed that the newborn had lost his life just 10 days after being abducted. The forensic report determined that the cause was the consequence of the sexual assaults that broke the bowels of this newborn.

The pathologist confirmed that he had found more than three different DNA in the mouth and genital area. The news fell like a blow. The mother and father had to listen to the expert narrate each of the injuries and the time that the minor was aware during these sexual acts. The accused, far from showing remorse, held before the judge that he was a product of abandonment and abuse. He alleged that his life had begun with a crime. In an audience, he said, Me? I was hurt first. I'm the only one who's broken. His words were not an act of regret. They were the most vile act of justification.

The case provoked a national discussion about child trauma, learned violence, and criminal responsibility. Consulted psychologists pointed out that having suffered abuse does not eliminate the ability to distinguish between good and evil. The prosecution was clear. The damage suffered in childhood does not exempt from criminal responsibility for crimes committed at an adult age.

The defendant stated that in addition to delivering the newborns and other minors, he would also have abused his youngest stepdaughter when her romantic partner and mother of the minor went out to work, as he would have convinced the mother that she was suffering from depression and that this forced her to stay at home. The man was linked to the process and faced aggravated homated homicide, sexual abuse of a minor, and child abuse. Today, he is serving a sentence of more than 50 years. Mariela, the mother of the newborn, took her life two years after the sentence. The sentimental partner of the accused, the one who left her youngest daughter in the hands of the predator, is

once again in a sentimental relationship. Honestly, I have no doubt. The youngest will have received psychological support, or the mother, in order not to be alone, received this new man in her life, and she, working every day, made sure that he had everything he needed. Today we are not going to present the program as always with the question that we suddenly put joy and to meet, but because we are seeing a very complicated situation. We are doing with all respect, I will say, a Ted Bundy effect, that now they are idolizing a vile criminal. I'm going to take these words, and we welcome you to the Master, Erin.

But this book is highly recommended by thanatologists and many people when they face an adversity. If you like to stay with us, we will develop each of the very important points because what we are seeing is a collective issue that even someone starts to romanticize and it starts as a domino effect everyone is already assuming this subject as an aviator when he is a miserable being with all due respect

and we are going to say why the elements there is someone who has to talk about the victims and I think it is us, you as a pediatrician, the master of the hearings, who is just there fighting in the feminine, his servant who has seen abominations for 14 years, they have been violent children, massacred, women beheaded, disembodied, and what better than their servants to speak from the bottom humbly and with a lot of respect for the victims that nobody sees.

I wrote this phrase yesterday when I saw the interview of this subject and that many people are almost beatifying him and I liked it for what I want to express at this moment and says so, it is society itself that silences, annihilates and nullifies its victims, that is, we are the same society to which glorifying a criminal immediately forgets the victims because and right now we are going to base ourselves on

some books this book I recommend them for what it says here right now we are going to take a fragment says a cicadillo in each son of tedio de sasque niño de rivera here we are going to unmascap a fragment to hear the abomination that these subjects who steal from children and girls do. And this other book that I am going to present to you right now, which is called Children at the letter, speaks precisely of how child trafficking is in our country and something that we are also going to touch on is the issue of birth control. How do you imagine that the parents of all the children who have been stolen are?

They do not live. Yesterday I went on the social network, a broken, sick father, with all due respect, I will say a human piltrap, who will never forgive himself for having, in a blink of an eye, maybe left in the trailer,

in charge, many situations, many circumstances,

but something that the thanatologists tell us is this feeling of guilt

that they will never have in life,

relief, they will always be with the guilt.

Unlike this subject, who clearly says,

I do not regret it, and I would do the same again, he is a psychopath immediately and he is seeing himself, we are not diagnosing with a single interview because many people are already being diagnosed but it is alarming that as people immediately with a version and here I am going to mention it if you allow me before giving an introduction to the reading of this book so that we are objective to all it has happened to us that in some work suddenly hey what do you think I found out what you did because I did or it turns out that they told me to see wait for me you always have to have two versions and we know it as lawyers the judge listens to both the prosecution and the defense and they are showing evidence in a job like all of us have been in a job is hey he told me

this this person does not wait for me they are not the things so I tell you this but it is also missing my version when those who are parents are brothers, and there are two brothers there fighting, always the good parents will say, wait a minute I need to hear your brother's version and I need to hear your version

to see which one is more convincing and I will be drawing conclusions to later see who was to blame. Here everyone went with a story that we don't know about,

told by an aggressor, with the victims dead, with victims that we don't know where the families were also, because no one started to investigate. As this book clearly says, no one starts to investigate what happens to to destroyed families, but we do hear

morbidly, because they also linked people from the pharaoh, the version of a broken child. And forgive me, Master, to give you the word and welcome you, this phrase, I repeat again, the man in search of meaning. We are going to talk about a bibliographic question. It says, even in very adverse circumstances, the person can preserve his value, his dignity, his generosity, or dragged into bitterness by survival, where he can forget his dignity and act like an animal. Victor Frank was held in the Nazi concentration camps and here he clearly makes us a reflection

that people could have become drug addicts by methamphetamines and massacre children or become people who helped the same prisoners. So there are other books because someone is going to say, well, but it is an adult who was recluse. Yes, but wait for me, there are also books of the Holocaust based on children who were prisoners. So you just have to look for him. That is why we invite you to listen to the victims as well.

Don't just listen to the speech that is already prepared, constantly said, and even very accepted among them, and then go out with a microphone and give voice to these people who wouldn't have to have a microphone, given the damage they did to thousands of families, to children who were not to blame.

And now we are going to say why we do not accept that he is a broken child. Right now we are going to say why. And above all, it is alarming to romanticize this type of victim, which are, as he himself said, I do not regret it and I would do it again. Be careful, because if we give them the microphones for a while, victimarios que son como lo dijo él mismo no me arrepiento y lo volvería a hacer cuidado porque si les damos al rato los micrófonos con un sistema tan oxidado y quebrado como es nuestro sistema penal no va a faltar alguna

asociación que vuelva a solicitar la reposición del proceso y sale libre este sujeto por alguna falta en la cadena de custodia alguna puesta a disposición due to a lack in the custody chain, some misdisposition, whatever, and this subject will steal your children again later. There I leave it to you, before romanticizing, analyze well and you have to listen to the two versions, those of the victims, which unfortunately in this case do not exist because they are children and the children have always been silenced and the other one, which is the victim's. Maestra, forgive me. Oh no, how are you?

Well, I think it's ... Well, quite angry. The truth is that I was just talking to Vilma, we were disgusted to see all this that happened. I think I would start with the fact that the dangerous thing about these podcasts is that you are only venting the testimonial of a single person without expert experts intervening in the matter. If you are really managing a narrative that it is for an education issue, I don't see why you don't have an expert in forensic psychology, which, be careful, is not a clinical psychologist. Because there are many who were discussing their opinion, but they are clinical psychologists, not forensic. Why aren't there psychiatrists? Why aren't there expert people?

Because it's just like eating you as an interviewer, because you're not an expert and you can't detect when they lie to you. You have to learn to read them in between the lines. Many have judged me, that I always get the high score, but I will give you an example and I will tell you why. When I started doing the profiling, I did not do it alone, I joined a multidisciplinary team of experts in the field. Obviously you have to train yourself, yes, but I was not the expert. Can I guide and make appreciations and punctual? Yes. And one of the things that I already referred to and that I emphasize here is that Miguel told me,

Lick, I was never raped or abused sexually. I said it because it is a narrative that hits society.

Yes.

And a non-serious sexist is saying it, who obviously knows that this narrative works for him. Now, we are not going to base ourselves on speculation, because all the people stopped listening to what this subject was really saying. I think I would also divide those who are confessed criminals of this podcast from those who can be innocently deprived of their freedom. Because many also said, it is that it is contradicted, no, there confesos de este podcast de los que sí pueden estar de manera inocente privados de su libertad porque mucho también dijeron es que se contradice no que no hay risa a ver

no hay reinserción para este tipo de sujetos que ya están confesos que ya tienen sentencias que todas las pruebas desahogadas y que aparte lo están diciendo porque les encanta contar la apología del delito entonces vamos a enfocarnos en estos él iba narrando todo absolutamente lo que pasó desde su infancia So, let's focus on this. He was narrating everything that happened since his childhood. However, when you learn to know them, when you study a little, when you stop to analyze, you realize that there are too many contradictions in his own narrative. If you ask me, and because I was asking this topic to neuropsychologists, I'm going to And even if it were true, it doesn't give you the right to break others. Yes, of course. And beyond that, it's why do you demerit so many broken childhoods that do exist, that today are not criminals?

I mean, why do you demerit them if they are not doing what you are doing? It is very common for criminals to want to justify their crimes through this brokenness. And I heard that they said, childhood is equal to destiny, it doesn't always determine. And I'm not saying this,

it was said by neuroscience experts. So, fortunately, legislators have not yet had to say, of course, because you are broken, so we are going to legislate and reform all the criminal code.

And then, judge, when you hear in the audience that an accused is broken, please give him freedom, because that is a defense strategy. I hope that never happens. I hope to never see it, because we sometimes see each thing in the system itself. But I hope not, because it was something else that they also said, that they wanted a judge to review and give him freedom, among other things. I really am outraged by this, because those of us who carry victims,

those of us who don't hold on to the victims, those of us who don't have the public eye to re-victimize our victims, it hits us directly, because we know what it means, everything that already happens.

It's very simple to give them a voice, because he said something. I don't lose anything in the end, but what do you think? Yes or no? And today I can tell you that he is laughing his ass off, all of you,

because everyone bought his story. A false story. And he, look at him, is so simple, because from my psychopathy I'm manipulative, I'm a liar and then everyone buys it and what do they think? That if I win, because today there is already a collection so that they put me in things, whether it is

reclusion, because today they see me as a victim of a rotten system that exists in our country

and what do they think is all that? It is everything but a victim, it is a victim, Mario, do not forget.

Yes, what Maestra Erem says is very strong, because even ... Oh, I'm even shaking! Because if he actually achieved what he wanted, it catches my attention a lot when he remembers how he steals the children and mentions that they are for rituals, he laughs. Exactly, and raises his chin. And that they was not seen. Exactly, he laughs, he remembers, it is like the book says, and it is very good, also buy it, which is called The Cannibal of Atizapán, a great book, it even comes as the State Prosecutor's Office in Mexico tried to block the information that these

journalists and that they had to be helped by the Supreme Court leaving zero earnings so that this book could come out, so it is a very good book, buy it and clearly the author who writes the book says that when Filomeno is watching his videos and is listening to the narrative of his crimes, the subject is ecstatic I even turned to see the reporter, the author I turn to see him and he is ecstatic, he has his eyes but ecstatic, they take the video and it is put again

in a very indifferent way, and he starts to mock exactly, so here we are seeing it, the guy is ecstatic when he remembers how the children are stolen and how they are sacrificed there goes this, look, so that all the people know. There are things that we as public servants who see really what happens, we do not say it because we do not want to mentally break those who listen to us. There are

people who say, the person who edited the books on her server, she told me, Doctor, I have to take therapy now because of what I had to read. The people who have edited books, who have told us in the edition, say, I don't see things the same.

Exactly.

So, that's narrative, people imagine, but it's not the same as people see. So, there you go goes for them to see how killing a child in rituals is extremely cruel, just as there are people who sacrifice animals that everyone has seen in videos that they grab the poor chickens or black roosters and cut off their neck, imagine grabbing a child with a special dagger that they make and stabbing the child consciously, the child is trembling, he is urinating, he is defecating, he has pain, he has anxiety about what is happening, that it hurts him and the child is bleeding, so that they place two glasses that fill with blood and then I take them to do the ritual or open their chest to the children to tear their hearts out and swallow them,

people don't see that, poor little Benito, he doesn't want to hear it either, it's very easy to say it's that he's a broken child and then all the hundreds of children that this subject steals and annihilates those do not count then right now I loved the phrase that the teacher said you can be very broken but that does not give you the right to break others is what I am going to say and forgive me for the anger I hate rapists because I have seen the girls raped on the necropsy plate then girls 7 and 6 years old and then suddenly for example

I will put this everyone knows that they entered his poor house they hit us they almost killed me they hit me in the head many times I went crazy, even from post-traumatic stress

to date I still tremble at night I hear a noise and that's not why I'm getting into your house, you who are watching us, and I'm hitting your mom, and I'm hitting you, and I'm hitting you, because I'm going to take this cheap philosophy that they are going to steal my house,

and then now you pay for it. No, it's not like that. Because I was listening to many of the messages, well, reading, sorry, many of the messages that I started to see in many TikToks that there are. And many of these people, I was telling Airene yesterday, I'm worried about this guy, I'm worried about the interview itself,

but the reaction of society, that's what made me tremble. Because I realized that as long as we keep thinking like this, as long as we keep romanticizing this, our children are not safe.

Yes, no. Because there is no veto there. There are a thousand vetoes that are around, with all these mothers that are putting men into their homes, that are not seeing the mental health of these guys, that are believing their stories like the one in the story of Torreon. That's why when this person sends me the story,

I tried to give it a narrative, I tried to change the data, because if something was wrong with what I said, the reality is much worse. I think that since they are not your dead, since they are not your children, they don't hurt. So you prefer to say, I send you a hug, Beto, because the interviewer could have thrown whatever she wanted, the interviewer himself. The problem, as you say, is how society is catching it.

Because I could have made an apology for the crime, but society, a little more thoughtful and going further, how they didn't catch contradictions in the narrative itself, they question it. Here, it is how society received him, with messages like, I want to hug you, I want to go to the prison to see you, please Saskia, tell us how we can go to the conjugal visit. Saskia, can we take you out to eat? I want to give you a hug.

Is what they're saying serious? Yes, it's serious. And really? You know it's serious? And you know that's why so many women create empathy, which also has a pathology of why you fall in love and link in this way

with this type of predator. Because it's not the same, I fell in love, which is wrong, but it's not the same, I fell in love with the guy who steals public transport, to I fell in love with a child predator. And what is he saying? They didn't invent it, they didn't create it. He is narrating this apology of the crime. And you, as a mother, because, what were we saying, Miguel?

90% are women who are defending it. And who are showing off their photos and their newborns in their photos, in their profiles.

This blows my mind.

And they end up in a femicide on the plate of a foreigner. There goes a little bit of a case that was terrible before giving reading to this which is similar, so that we can do an exercise so that people see that we are always at risk. One day a body arrives from a penitentiary and the subdirector tells me, you know what? Be very careful with these two. Yes, it's fine.

I start to check the female first. It turns out in the story that a woman leaves and gets involved with a homeless in the prison, they end up fighting for jealousy, then he sexually links with his homicidal friend, another homicidal friend, what did he do between friends? You know that this comes on the intimate visit of Tuesday, for example, the intimate visit arrives, they leave her there in the intimate and instead of entering the current boyfriend, the ex enters, he gives her a sovereign beating because she even locked herself, the report said that they had to remove the door

to unsolder her from the intimate because she could not enter, why? because the woman had 60 stab wounds and after she injured her, before that he also hit her, the guy who just sat down and started laughing and everyone said to him, and this happens to you because of Poo, that is, of course, then here is what he says, anyone who was there seeing the incident, we said, but why did he have to go to jail? I mean, there were so many men, millions of men out there, why did he have to link with a homicide? And well, you already ended up with the homicide, maybe you were lucky, but then going out with the friend of that homicide,

one says, there is something coming, with all due respect I am going to mention, which is the victim classification of one of them who is a manzan Don't believe me, go look for the victim's profile and there is a classification from the children who are completely innocent to the victims who cause the crime I'm not saying it, the criminal says it, although it is a criminal So, quickly, give me two minutes

We are going to base ourselves on a site in Cada Hijo Te Dio, which is by Saskia, a child from Rivera, and it comes in this fragment, page 84, in case you don't like me or don't want to believe me, here it comes, page 84 and 85, it says, it's from a teenager, I didn't like being there in any boarding school, I was always afraid that they would sell me, rent me or use me to sell things. I kept consuming more and more, but I didn't have enough money to save up for glass cleaning, garbage or theft. One day, while I was washing glasses, a guy came up told me, oh, pull, you want? You just have to tell us where there are babies,

here comes the important thing, you who have children in kindergarten, in elementary school, currently the disappearance of teenagers in daycares, eye, page 84 and 85, do not believe me, go buy this book and look for it, there it goes again, you just have to tell us where there are 85 no me creas bacon preste libro y busca lo a iba de nuevo nada más nos tienes que decir donde hay morrillos donde hay niños chiquitos casi bebés que sean fáciles de robar tú estás chaval y nadie va a sospechar de ti no más tienes que ir a los kinder es y hacer lo que te digamos pues dije que si me tomaron una foto me pidieron nombre apodo y el lugar donde me iba a quedar. Y así empecé, en los kinderes o en parques.

Me ponía a ver dónde estaban los niños. Tenía que estar muy chiquitos. No importaba el tamaño ni nada. La primera vez que lo hice fue en un parque. Vi a una pareja con su niña. Era una bebé, porque la estaban cargando. because they were carrying her. The girl, the mom, got her down to grab the diaper.

My comrade hit her in the head with a machete and boom, she passed out. The other guy grabbed the dad. He tried to force the dad, obviously to defend his daughter,

and also hit him in the head with a machete. They grabbed the baby and took her running to the car. I didn't know her name, but I did see that he was small. That's where they taught me to do it. I would pick them up and my comrades would take the family members.

They would hit them a few times. In total, there were like four of us. The driver and two others who would get off with me to the kids. They would fight with the parents. I would just grab the kids and put them in the car. Because they were crying and crying

Imagine that your son is being robbed and you are crying and crying How are you going to console him? That's why we say, once again, that we don't romanticize criminals We would put them to sleep with a syringe with medication and they would stay still Then they would ask me, how many do you have?

No, I have one or two Get a hold of a store, I won't say the name or the brand me preguntaban cuántos traes no pues traigo uno dos arrímate a tal tienda comercial no voy a decir el nombre ni la marca íbamos donde nos dijeran y ahí los dejamos en el carro a los niños luego me subí a otro carro que nos estaban esperando para irme y despistar a alguien si nos seguía después ya nunca había los niños sólo sé que se le entregaban a un doctor que le sacaban los órganos y después los vendían le sacaban los ojos I never saw the kids again. I only know that they gave them to a doctor, that they took out their organs and then they sold them.

They took out their eyes, their hearts, and I earned a lot. Each child was a million and I was, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, a child, there are thousands of Betos. This is a clave that has just been uncovered. And for the same reason, we do not have to romanticize the criminals. That in the case that the story was true. That's right. And I think that... Go and take a look at a magazine called BBC News,

Mundo, which is about neuroscience, neuropsychology. And checking obviously because I said, I'm going to be in the audience that we're talking about right now, so I'm venting in a technical way, because it's not just throwing for throwing, and because I believe, I feel, from my biases too, from many things. So, among other things, what they say is the memory of the children, from 4 to 6 years old, which is approximately when he has an exact memory

of everything that happened, so that they can see that it is not real, because it is a story that if you repeat it constantly, you are going to believe it and you narrate it like a brainless parakeet. When this trauma really exists, the trauma tends to block exact things and more in the children. So I'm going to read it to you in text, it's just a paragraph so that you understand that within his contradictions is that he could not have had such an exact memory of what he refers to

but apart there is an important factor. To this memory of these little ones that is not so exact from neuroscience and expert psychologists there is a determining factor that which is the early age drug use, especially in solvent, which he also referred to, which means that neurons die much more easily.

And you're not explaining that right now, please. So it says that memory is not structured, so you can't have such clear memories. This is in the memory of a child, it tends to be fragmented. And there is something that the brain does, which is to call out false memories. His speech cannot be sustained from biology and science.

The speech of this person. So, more or less, what it says is that children at this early age have fragments of memory, but it cannot be as strictly exacta como él no la narra. Ellos lo que hacen en reclusión, porque yo estuve dos años ahí de meritorio, yo trataba con ellos, sigo tratando con ellos, ellos lo que hacen es, te arman todo un guión y una narrativa,

y porque te miden. Entonces, él sabía que al ser entrevistado iba a ir a un sector de la población que en su mayoría iban a ser mujeres. Él lo planeó. Porque entonces, si no fueran tan psicopáticos, no hacen lo que hacen. O sea, quiero que entiendan la parte en la que son tan mentalmente maquiavélicos que logró lo que logró en ustedes. O sea, por eso insisto, él está feliz porque él consiguió su objetivo. you guys. That's why I insist, he's happy because he achieved his goal. So what they do is adopt

stories, example of this intern, of that, of that, and I study you too, so I know that maybe Vilma will love this narration more because she is a mother and maybe, for example, a baby died. So when you are not prepared to face this type of beings and you dissociate, they eat you. The judge always told me, beware, because they are extremely manipulative, beware, because they are extremely machiavellian, they are going to swear and perjure that they are all innocent, that they are victims of the system, beware. And that's just what happened with this subject. Yes, in fact they have a very characteristic profile, because being there they become, of course,

the one who should present a face, a character. They are super empathetic, super polite, with a lot of kindness as we saw it, but this is a script that they have.

It's a character.

It's a character, as the maestra says. I had to enter several times to see several classifications that they argued that they were injured and even even the scams. Please doctor, come with me here. Yes. And then why? Because they earn two or three pesos each time they take us. So they are characters and many people swallow them, that is, they stereotype is eaten and something comes in that unfortunately, a psychologist asked him, who calls him what the collective conscience is, we assume it but we do not question it, exactly, so everyone right now

assumes that it is a broken child and poor thing, no, wait for me, here I am going to mention something that many times in the Mexican question we have said it with even with said and I am going to quote this saying of the grandmother is that he puts a lot of cream on his tacos, that is, this saying has decades because it all depends on who tells the story, of course, everything depends on how the story is told, that's why we repeat and do this exercise again, you don't even believe us, you just use this reflection, you who are on the other side of the screen, how many times have you not had a gossip in your work that suddenly the boss arrives, hey, how did you not do this, wait for me boss, when I say it, it is that your partner told me that you have, no,

he did not tell me, then let's see, wait, bring it, those who have the truth whether testicles or ovaries of those women or men who do not shut up and say, let's see boss, let's go once, tell me in the face then, and how many times have we not seen that? that they confront each other, let's see, you are telling the boss, right? tell me in my face, when did you tell me this? Or when did I do what you say? No, it's just that it wasn't like that. Ah, well. Or I misunderstood. I misunderstood.

So why are we buying a story from someone who is manipulating us 100% and is giving us a story that we do not know? Rather, we would have to reflect, ok, I already heard this one and if you allow me, will mention something, yes it is true, due to its conditions, the system or society made a predator, it did not make a victim, it turned a predator that becomes victimized and camouflages itself, Vicente Garrido said it well, you who brought us this excellent criminologist that thanks to you we were able to talk to him Vicente Garrido said something very good Psychopaths, predators, will never commit suicide

and he in his contradiction said I tried several times but several times it broke, the rope broke even if you want to take your life away Of course not, it's not true, How many times have we seen in Cannes people who hang themselves with a sock

and don't break. If you can give us this that Master Vicente Garrido said, I don't know if you remember.

Yes, because... Son, I have so many things in... Vicente Garrido said that the psychopath is so so manipulative, but he is so egocentric that what he needs is focus. Taking your life means losing your story, it means breaking the script, and what he needs is to continue to beimized in front of the eyes of others.

So, if I break the narrative of what I am, what I am capable of, of what I have suffered by taking my life away, it breaks. And then the story ends. I was listening to an interview with Vicente Garrido and he said something that struck me. They asked him if this type of predators or murderers

was possible to re-insert them into society, that through therapy they could once again have a common life. And he said that in some cases, yes, but that it had to do with the formation and the crime. He says that an example, as he gave as an example, B.T.K., this American killer,

that he, for more than 20 years, stopped killing. When he was arrested, he already had, that it wasn't really a stage of cooling down, but a decision, because it also has to do with the fact that most of these predators and these killers are between 30 and 40 years old, more or less. When he reaches adulthood, there is also a low testosterone, which if they are sexual harassers, this low makes them no longer have this impetus.

And then he said, let's think it's possible to reinsert these assailants. Would it be worth it? Is it worth it that we take a risk? Is it worth it that all the resources go to reinsert an assail murderer who may not have a cure,

you would take him to your house, you want him in your institution, who is going to take care of a

person who is possibly a greater risk in therapy than in reclusion? Yes, of course. I'll say this quickly. Because I don't believe the speech about the question that no one doubts, let's put it in good faith as you the magnificent lawyers say

that, well, ok there was an abuse by his victim, the police officer of this police officer who adopts him. Now, let's victimario de su dueño dice de este policía judicial que lo adopta ok vamos ahora vamos a desglosar los otros asesinos seriales su victimario de este niño roto como le llama es un policía

judicial de alrededor 47 años en aquel entonces cuando dice que lo priva de la vida cuando él tenía 10 entonces resté mole 4 tal he is 42, 43 that is the profile that right now we are going to leave here now we are going with Juanabarrasa, the old woman kills her, the old woman kills her terrible story where the mother sells her for beer, they abuse her, ok the profile of the old woman's cereal maker was old because she saw these grandmothers to her mother and not in The profile of the old women of the Matavijitas were old women because they saw these grandmothers

to their mother

to their mother and not in all the teacher, Dr. Gabriel Barron in peace rest one of the best criminologists in the country who takes out the book

The Knot of Silence where he describes Juana Barraza he clearly in a in a diploma of criminology said

when Juana Barraza is strangling a grandmother and the grandmother tells her God bless you and give you the blessing at that moment Juana Barraza lets her go she runs away and forgives her life so there we have a point

in this case of this serial killer woman was the profile, her victims the woman she saw, her victim, but she did not kill girls or young women, she was going to kill her aggressor, so to speak. We go with Filomeno and Juan Carlos, the feminicide of Catepec and the feminicide of Atizapal, and they depredated women, Filomeno in particular depredated a woman, he ate her

because he said with all due respect that they were women of the gallant life, not to say more blunt things and they had like this anger, this courage, but here comes the big difference with Filomeno and Juan Carlos, even with the distalco, they do not have what this subject has. There it goes. Because we are going to put this exercise. With none of these three, there was never a support as they did with the famous Beto. They never told the chemist Istacalco, hey, you are a magnificent professional, it is a pity that you became what you are, but you could have another opportunity. That's right. In other words, there was never a sample of support

for Filomeno or Juan Carlos. The whole society went after him. And they hated him. But why? Because they didn't have the lips. They didn't have the charisma.

Filomeno, like everyone, even Muno doubted him. That it was possible. And they didn't have the manipulation as this predator has, this predator uses two very key words that people have to see, little hand, to make an

empathy with the interviewer and at the beginning when they introduce themselves he says to your orders my love or yes my love something like that he says that even I was struck by the attention I said this guy then later in the speech I said he guy, then later he read it he entered the speech, I said, he's here, even the charisma why? because when we say little hand, little hand even to us it has happened we have been angry and suddenly

little hand, don't be mean, the little hand we immediately lower the guard why? because we say, hey, he treated me with affection then everyone, people, when they see this oh, poor thing, look, he's very nice, he's very noble, so what I'm going with this, why don't I buy this cheap speech

from him? Why? Because if he really was broken, he would have annihilated subjects very similar to his aggressor, for example, men, he would have been a man of 40-42 years who would have been police officers, exactly, and who were violent at that time, for example, I would have become an example, the same story would have been a kidnapper and when I know, but I as a leader because he is a predator as a leader who manipulates that moves I would have said you know that there are kids to see we are going to close the pure way from 40 to 44 and if it seemed apart from that I charge the kidnapping I kill him because

because that is my profile to annihilate my aggressor but he leaves something very easy, the children. The children, that easily, as this book says, I can put a drug in them, immediately they will not scream. With my adult hand, I can suffocate them and they no longer scream. With one hand, I carry them and I run. Children cannot defend themselves as an adult, they cannot give resistance. Children do not matter. Why? Because children are a hidden crime.

A five-year-old child does not know that there is a public ministry. If search mothers have gone to demand and have been beaten by institutions, what is expected of a child? Children do not exist in this country. The girls do not exist. What is the easiest thing to grab as merchandise? The children. Why? Because the parents, in the care of their children, don't go armed.

They are not watching because the mother is aware that she is not going to drown. They don't see around. They don't see around because the mother is here in the cart watching him, she is very loving and a guy arrives, he hits her, she faints, grabs the child and takes him away. They are easily very easy to steal the children, so he is not the child that is broken, he realized this very good advantage of living in the slums, seeing children in a street situation, go to the parks and see that children are very easy as a

commodity, that said here is a territory that they pay well, that they are children, that they will not suspect, that's where it got me. But if you look at something he said that caught my attention a lot, when he says that he already lives in Polanco, because that's how he refers to it, And he says that he returns to the stalls to live with them. I mean, he doesn't return to live with them, he returns because there is the source of income. Of course, of business opportunity. Because that's where the kids are, he returns the merchandise.

It's just that people didn't get it. Learn to read what they're telling you all the time. There's something the Doctor said, brutal. I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm y no es porque tú te sientas superior. Es que si no te comen. Es que si no te comen. Si yo me hubiera sentado con Miguel o con cualquiera de ellos, pero hablando por Miguel,

ay Miguel pláticamente, a ver cómo está tu día. Y cruzada de piernas.

Ay, wey, ¿qué pasó? Pues Miguel no me iba a respetar. Es obvio que ellos tienen que tener una, ellos te van midiendo todo el tiempo. Me llama también la atención que él, que no cacharon o no vieron, que los psicópatas objetizan. Él no ve niños como niños, lo ve como objetos y oportunidad de negocio, lo que significa que justo él iba a regresar, suponiendo que hubiera vivido en Polanco a los 11 años,

porque yo no me imagino a alguien, o sea, ni siquiera él dice que tenía papeles, pero He doesn't even say he had papers, but they rent him a apartment in Polanco. He was 10 or 11 years old, he had 200,000 pesos. And they investigate those who rented or sold the building. He's a minor living alone. Exactly. Something is happening. Exactly.

But you say something, he comes back. Oh, because I remember my origins, right? He came back because he saw that opportunity of these children who are 10,000 times more vulnerable Wow. Si lo volvería a hacer, sí. Es más, dijo, incluso aquí casi casi se hubiera la oportunidad porque aquí ahorita reparto rancho y agua y... porque se ven limitados. ¿Qué pasa? Porque el psicópata se comporta tan bien en reclusión porque se ven delimitados. Entonces a ellos les conviene estar neutralizados y bien en reclusión, pero van a tener otras opciones y otras oportunidades

de poder adquirir esto. Y él lo dijo, yo quería un buen coche, me gustan las buenas cosas, me gusta mi celda limpia. Ahorita, pues estoy repartiendo rancho, porque todo el tiempo, esto que tú refieres es el ego a tope porque son narcisistas.

Acuérdense que en su mayoría los psicopatas tienen también el narcisismo. Entonces, él dice pues casi casi si me dieran la oportunidad desde aquí seguir operando lo haría y por supuesto que lo haría. Pero dijo aquí estoy bien en la cárcel porque la cárcel me contiene o se le está aceptando que afuera sería un predador, que la cárcel es lo único que lo ata a no serlo. Sí, sí lo-regulates it. Yes, here, as you say, if he had had this... when you say that if I had had another life, he could have changed it.

Of course. That many criminologists say, ok, you had a terrible childhood, but you had more years. Why? Because just as he could escape at 6 years old, being a child, let's suppose this narrative, well, when he is more adult, well, the same. You know what? Ok, I already did a job, I already earned 600,000 pesos, well, I'm going somewhere else, and I'm going to go unknown, I'm going to start a business, because he has the brain capacity, that guy, that's why I said it once, these guys are very intelligent, and so intelligent that he deceived half the country, that is, that simple, because these

guys, if we go back, as we have said in several programs, he is not the all grotesque type, he is not a Juan Carlos, that is why Juan Carlos was hated, because he was the rude, fat, rough guy, all here as rude, very rude, well everyone hates him, he is the typical criminal in the cartoons, but you put a guy with a clean neck, he himself says it, I like my tennis, every six months I buy my tennis and surely they are Jordan tennis, it premieres more than one, yes, then he gets here, gallant, he raps, thin,

strong, because he does that exercise, well, he has charisma, and so intelligent is that half the country was made fun of. But they look at each other when they say one part. Juan Navarraza, as you say, is for the mother, Juan Carlos, from Catepet, also suffered an abuse, a first abuse from a neighbor of his mother. His mother was a prostitute. So, let's go, I mean, because there are flowers for many, right?

Exactly.

But then he says that one of the things that blows him up, that makes him this stimulus, is when someone chews badly, when he throws up. So imagine what risk someone's taking that that simple fact was the cause or what detonated the fact that someone else would take their life. It was not the rape, it was that they threw up. Yes, incluso fíjese como sus rasgos es de una persona que sabe muy bien, se puede controlar bastante bien, está muy limpio, su postura, sus tenis, incluso estoy segurísimo que sus tenis los trae súper limpios, impecables,

porque porque es una persona que le gusta verse bien, que vende imagen, da la imagen que ya la Why? Because he's a person who likes to look good, who sells images, such an image that they are already putting it on even with an aviator. An apology please to the Air Force for this. Imagine, there must be reforms in the Air Force to start with. He is 72 years old, which is something else that catches my attention. The sentence. La sentencia. La sentencia, porque él dice, lo que platicamos, y Saskia también se lo preguntó, a ver cómo, cómo, o sea, ¿llegaste al reclusorio norte a los 17 años? ¿Cómo? Pues si eras menor de edad.

Ah, sí. No, pues es que me armaron todo. Dije, bueno, yo lo dudo también. Los 72 años no es solo por un secuestro, ¿eh? when they could have sentenced him to maximum penalty, I think he was in his 43's and that's it, because he was more or less in his retirement and he hasn't changed that much. So why does he have 72? Because no one has the file, which is another thing. Exactly.

I mean, no one has the file of everything he did, of if he did it and then... He talked about what was convenient for him, so that we knew. Of course, but if we dug into his file, I think they wouldn't see it the same way. Or maybe they would, because there will be people who say, until the end, I was listening to Paz Velasco, who is also a contemporary of Vicente Garrido, she is a super-criminologist, also listen to her, she is Spanish, look at her. And she said that in Norway there was a reform where the inmates of this type of high risk,

as he is, are prohibited from receiving letters and receiving visits from the outside, that they even take away their conjugal visit. And I mention this because they are already making collections to bring them soap, toothpaste, as if he were damaged. To the good Beto. To the good Beto.

Hey, I want to hug him. Well, then let's also hug Juan Navarraza. of dead. But when he says, or all of them say, that he deserved to be an aviator, and all those children did not deserve it? Exactly, yes, here is what, how good that he just gave the wound, because first of all, a quick context, he in this situation, who knows very well how to differentiate the good from the bad, because he knew it, he had many opportunities not to commit this, however, money, power, is what finally, as we have said many times, is the most attractive, now why? Because if he was a broken child, he as a child suffered,

suffered abuse, suffered rape, he knew that these children were going to be handed over to sacrifice them, why didn't he defend them? So simple. Because he didn't kill his attackers. Exactly, because I don't become someone, I charge the money and kill the attackers, those who are asking me, why not? Because it is easier to be a broken child, sell the discourse that I was wrong and that's why, since I I'm wrong now I take out and still make this nonsense of saying is that the children did not bite my conscience because I was doing them a good because they were going to suffer more because you who are you to say if they are going to suffer

but if they are a judge and here that people know it, if they are child judges of course now the children are dangerous and they have to be killed because this guy says they are going to suffer that's why I tell you that many people do not realize how dangerous it is to give the microphone to these guys and above all to romanticize them

so look at these children who took their lives because of him too So, look, these children who were taken away from them by him, how many of them couldn't be good citizens, who had the right to live? How many of these children... yesterday I uploaded a video of a broken dad and it matches the same narrative. And that's when everyone says it's a broken child.

Hey, wouldn't you like your sister to be robbed by a child? And every day you see your sister sitting in the park where your son was robbed. Every day, seeing the children who are playing, thinking, like a drill that eats my soul, that those children could be your children. And every time, because it is an endless duel, it is a duel where the family comes in and they say,

today is my birthday, today those of your age graduated, today they got married, today the license for the neighbor who was the age of Juanito. O sea, son papás y mamás que siempre van a estar rotos hasta el día que se mueran. Y son papás que están secos en vida y que no tienen la oportunidad de comprarse tenis de marca, de estar a toda madre, de estar tranquilos, de hacer ejercicio, de recibir ahora cartas,, to receive papachos. These parents are going to die.

We saw it in the... They're going to die in life. We saw it in his narrative. The mom ended up hanging herself. Yes, because she couldn't stand it. Fatima's mom,

the other Fatima, who lost her mind and is completely out there in the streets. While we see a guy who is being beatified, who says, I like to live well, I like to be clean, I like to be presentable. And why do we say that he can differentiate good from bad? Because even in his narrative of drug use, he says it.

One has to know, as I clearly mentioned, that they do harm and one can say yes or no, that is, he is contradicting himself again. Yes, I think that here it is important not to stop seeing the victims because the victims, while they are trying to rebuild themselves, they are not hurting others. That's right. The victims are trying to survive. And when we romanticize the apology of crime, and when we romanticize violence, we have the society that we have today.

I have always said, you can't leave everything to the government, because everything, oh, damn government, they should have saved it, but don't look around you, to your little ones ones you have here. So while you're applauding him and you want to go to the conjugal visit,

I also want to make a parenthesis here because, you know, the penitentiary system is very strict.

Yes, how do you get in?

Look, the way we get in, those of us who don't have privileges, you have to ask for permission with authorization and justify why. In this case, I'm going to explain what happened to Miguel. Again, and I'll take it back because I want you to see what a serial killer is.

And that I didn't go to see an intern to notify him of something or to get him to sign a warrant. It's different because when we enter as lawyers, we go to the interrogation room and they... I mean, we have to request a permit and that they also add us to their card as part of their defense. It's not just like, I'm here, I'm going to come and defend... No. In my case, we had to request the permits to their defender and to the penitentiary system.

And that the penitentiary system tells you, ok,, but what are you going to come in with? With a pencil, an eraser, a pencil sharpener and a cell phone, the day you record everything. Because in parentheses they said that I never came in, friend. That another expert comes in, that I never came in. But that's another story. So you are arriving and you have to, I mean, in the permit, you have to delimit todo lo que tú vas a pasar. Nosotros teníamos pensado pasar cámara para hacerlo como parte desde un punto C de estudio,

no lo íbamos a subir a redes sociales, para detectar muchas otras cosas con otros peritos. No nos lo permitieron. Dijeron que cámaras no iban a ingresar.

Wow.

Solamente el celular y eso para efecto de poder grabarlo en voz. Está dentro de los permisos. Wow. se puede ingresar cosas que no y así es como te vas pasando pues a diferentes lugares a la aduana y luego de la aduana con el sello. O sea, son mil filtros, no crean que uno llega nada más así como la... incluso cuando yo estuve de meritorio tiro por viaje la revisión era exactamente la misma, como yo no tenía credencial del tribunal la juez me firmaba un permiso y me decían para qué vale? ¿No se puede tardar? ¿Y qué vas a engresar? O sea, es algo muy estructurado y muy detallado para supuesta seguridad. Ahora, si Saskia tiene este privilegio, porque es un privilegio, y seamos realistas,

porque le apoya el sistema penitenciario, porque no entra con una cámara, entra con luces y todo, con una producción, con una superproducción, pues yo sí la invitaría de manera muy respetuosa and everything. With a production. With a super production. Well, I would invite her in a very respectful way that if she really wants to do it academically, that she knows, invite experts in mental health and experts who can still help her

to make a better diagnosis of what it is to deal with them and what they are. Because it's not bad to study them. What is wrong, I insist, is that only they tell their story as cases of real life. y lo que son ellos, porque no está mal estudiarlos. Lo que está mal, insisto, es que solamente ellos cuenten su historia como casos de la vida real.

Sin que se les dude nada.

Sin que se les cuestione incluso, y lleves toda una serie de pruebas que se les practican que tienen solo los expertos. Entonces, si tienes este alcance, Saskia, también puedes tener la oportunidad de trascender en algo para el estudio como cuando se inició en todo este estudio de la mente en el FBI, Ciencias de la Conducta, porque sí es importante estudiarlos, hay que crear precedentes, pero en el cómo se está haciendo, creo que también un poco es porque quizás ella va a decir, pero quizás eso no me funciona, porque a la gente lo que le gusta es esto.

Ah, pues claro, porque lo hace Feige Obstrovrovsky. Y les puedo preguntar, y la mayoría no va a saber quién es ella. Ella hace esos estudios. Ella hizo el estudio y la perfilación de Filomeno. Y entran muchos peritos a hacer, digamos, diagnósticos, pero como no tienen el mismo privilegio de entrar tan fácilmente, porque ins insist, it is very restricted. So all his studies, which are very valuable, are left on a desk, when those people also have to be given visibility because they are experts. In other words, they are people who have dedicated themselves to studying.

He did not take 30 hours of a crime course. In other words, they are forensic psychologists, more criminologists, more ... criminólogos más, o sea como acá comprenderé, o sea no es como nada más, ay, tomé en YouTube tres horas de medicina forense, no, entonces esto también es importante porque si no vamos a tener esto mismo, miren, yo pienso que qué bonito es narrar tu historia sentado y no de rodillas Beto, porque no es lo mismo tú a microphone, on your knees, like the victims were, with their eyes down, and the last thing they saw was your face.

When they were handed over.

It was that easy.

But, I don't understand one thing, and for me it's a double moral. We want to know everything about Aviador, but he told us that there are children in the sluices and instead of putting him as an aviator, why are they making groups to go to these sluices and save these children that today do exist, but it is easier the story of the Beauty and the Beast, where the

Beast becomes the Prince,. Everyone was told this story because a large percentage of those who are romanticizing this and when they tell me, and I've fought now, so you get tangled up every day, it's that we're not romanticizing it. No, you are romanticizing it.

Because they also say, I hope Beto sees that Mexico México lo ama y México lo quiere. ¿Y saben cuál es lo peor? Que sí lo está viendo, porque adentro hay celulares. Y hay internet. Y él ya vio lo que provocó.

Y él ya sabe que si sale por alguien que meta la mano, tiene muchas casas donde lo van a recibir. Casas donde hay niños. Que esto, saben que sí lo quiero puntualizar He has many houses where they will receive him. Houses where there are children. I want to point this out so we can calm down. Fortunately, there is still no reform that will allow him to leave. He already has a sentence, except for ignorance.

And sorry, with all due respect, ignorance. We are all ignorant and neophytes in many things, right? The ignorance that many women said, I wish a judge would review those tests. Well, I hope a judge reviews your evidence. I warn you that you have a sentence. And it is a sentence that the prosecutor has already issued.

This is, he can no longer promote anything, he will be sentenced for the years he has to be sentenced, for the type of crime, I hardly think they will give him a preliminary benefit. Which means that, really, in prison, how long can they hold out? lo que significa que pues realmente en reclusión ¿cuánto pueden aguantar? o sea porque son 72, no recuerdo cuánto dijo que ya llevaba. 18. 18, o sea más los que sumen yo le calculo que

extremadamente bien va a sobrevivir unos 20 años más si no es que se meten problemas con algún otro interno y lo den de baja porque yo insisto adentro las reglas de ellos son las reglas. Porque ya lo dieron a conocer también. Y los códigos adentro contra los niños son diferentes. El solito se puso de apechito porque puede ser que haya pasado con un perfil bajo. Pero así como a él, o sea, él puede ver su capítulo y todo lo que le están poniendo, muchos internos también tienen acceso a televisión, incluso las mismas oficinas de jurídico hay teles, hay celulares, o sea, hoy por hoy pueden estarnos viendo access to television, even in the same legal offices there are TVs, there are cell phones, that is, today they can be seeing us in real time.

So they are going to say, oh, we didn't know it existed. And they enjoy so much the justice of this type of predators that now, because of their level of ego and because they want to be seen, will have their consequences. But fortunately, legally, we can be calm in a system that we know that right now, at least, is not going to come out.

I mean, it already has a sentence.

How good. Yes, because as we had the misfortune of Mrs. Veronica Gutiérrez and Fatima, who have already given benefits to her...

Lorena.

Sorry, Lorena, who have already given benefits to her... her daughter's predator. We do have that... that anguish of what's going on with these children, right? There's going to be more... Well, there's already more.

It's one in a thousand, as we've always said. This is a thousand- we have always said. This is a dragon of a thousand heads, barely. And it is precisely at the end that this week that concluded we had a magnificent woman, because many people are going to say right now, well of course because they did not get their story, but what do they think? Without us preparing it or anything, Her name is Abigail Gavir, the lady who came to tell us her story that we put in two chapters. Janet. Janet, thank you. We had here Mrs. Janet

that we send her a big hug and a tremendous greeting and many kisses because she is a lady. Look at the terrible story, she wanted to narrate to prevent more abuses, a woman who was since she is already used for reason, raped by her father, when her mother was even asleep, her father covered her mouth or threatened her, little girl, 3-4 years old, she continues to grow, she continues to be abused until her dad dies. She came to tell us, in fact we are going to take it out once we are taking care of these details

so that it is not as grotesque as that interview. She told us that sometimes her dad would take her with his mother's permission and that on the street she was forced to do oral sex to her dad. And then her dad ends up dying, the mother transforms because I think she hated the father and ends up being raped by the sexual partners that the mother had, then she grows up, she ends up in a free union with another

person, I am not going to tell the whole story, but unfortunately a tumultuous relationship comes later. This woman, who is completely my respect, never took the speech of this subject and say, well, just as they violated me as a girl, well now I am going to be a proxy and I'm going to bring a lot of teenagers and I'm going to put them all here in the Mercedes or in Calzada Tlalpan because they did it to me. So that they live the same. So that they live the same. No, this woman had her family and now she is a grandmother and she herself said it. I never committed an act of violence against my daughters or against my granddaughters, they are my worship. And you see a lady completely loving,

she has a job, she does her job very well, and it is a very similar story. Here, this subject, first of all, she had a home. Homes, there are excellent

homes. We send a greeting to the teacher Rosauraura who is constantly supporting us, we send her a great greeting, a great criminalist and herself in an event at the house of the Mercedes, regardless of what she says, ah, you lent it to me, let's see, I went for the girls, I didn't go out with the director or the director, I don't know who it was, look here, I was with the director,

no, I went for the girls. Because one of the kids, what I remember the most, is these acts that have a lot of people, a lot of pretty people. So, and she went to support, to give the toys. And then,

she told me, I was born, I left a home, and what do you think, doctor? I leave the home and I'm very happy because I have my family and I'm a criminal. I have so many studies and if possible, thanks to these homes, we are people of benefit. So he had the advantage that he was in a homeless home, that unfortunately later he had the misfortune, let's suppose he had this adoption and he escaped. If he escaped at escaped at six years later he could change his life and not

attack the children, it would have been a very different speech that you know that if I killed my executioner, then go ahead, everyone supports him, you know that excellent, this happens to them, the child abusers, but it was for the seed of a a society that was the children. That was a business. Exactly. Yes, romanticizing this type of person is simply to avoid that you could be in that assumption.

Because I insist, all those who are supporting him, you don't know when it's going to happen to you. And you have children, you have nephews, and when it happens to you, then this story is not going to sound so romantic to you. pasar y tienes hijos tienes sobrinos y cuando a ti te pasa entonces esta historia no te va a sonar tan romántica entonces ya no vas a querer abrazarlo ya dejarle jabón pasta de dientes y papel de baño vas a querer sacar los ojos por menos que eso y entonces te vas a acordar de estar romantizando este tipo

de cosas a mí me encantaría también que sistema penitenciario se pronunciara desde la secretaría de seguridad ciudadana que es de quien depende porque para mí a mí me preguntas como abogada de las víctimas y yo te encargo que saco las uñas yo me explicas porque están re victimizando constantemente aunque no digan nombres mis víctimas están dentro de la criminalidad de este sujeto y se lo están permitiendo y es una re victimización entonces within the criminality of this subject, and they are allowing it, and it's a re-victimization. So where are the fundamental rights in international treaties in terms of non-repetition,

non-re-victimization, that's in the law, that I'm not making it up. So you explain to me why you, being a member of the state, you are allowing someone who exists an apology of crime, re-victimizing my victims? I mean, because really, all of them,

and each one of those I've interviewed, I insist, are confessors and say, and they say, and they say, they have some victims. Those victims haven't spoken up because the victims run out of tools.

But they don't know their rights either because the state doesn't give them or teaches them that they have them.

I'll tell you something, if this happens to me, no les enseña que los tienen. Yo te voy a decir una cosa, a mí, si pasa esto, que por ejemplo, si hubiera pasado con Cass, que en su momento yo lo platiqué, ese día ya no lo pudimos tocar, pero les voy a explicar, con Carlos Jiménez, con C4, hubo una situación de que él, a través de la historia que le pasan,

o la narración, no lo sé, dijo cosas que no eran ciertas en relación a Cass, una que era amante de Miguel. Bueno, cuando fue lo del aniversario luctuoso de María José, yo contacto a una periodista y le digo, oye, necesito contactar a Carlos Jiménez para que se baje esto que se está diciendo porque yo no sé cómo contactarlo. Me dijo, te paso su número.

Y ojo, ni le estoy defendiendo ni nada le mando mensaje le dije hola carlos como estás mucho gusto soy la licencia tal te pido un favor está pasando esto por favor bajarlo porque una no es cierto cuando quieras yo te cuento la historia ya mucho es de dominio público pero dos le estás haciendo daño a casa y tengo ahí el mensaje me dijo abogada disculpame I'm not doing any harm to anyone. And I have the message there, she told me, lawyer, excuse me, tell me where all the videos are and at this moment I ask you to download them.

She told me, excuse me. The videos that had to be downloaded were downloaded. What I'm going to do is, with this example as a lawyer, or a lawyer of all these victims, what's up?

Because at some point they had a lawyer, or I want to think that at least the one in office accompanied them, gave them follow-up because it is an express obligation, and that they are not pronounced only, sorry, and it is nothing against Saskia, it is the situation in general, because it is her, so you are not going to say anything? When there is a clear and express re-victimization on the part of the state, because the state is allowing it, por parte del estado, porque el estado lo está permitiendo. Aquí no es este podcast de materia privada, donde yo aquí tengo un delincuente que ya salió, que fue sentenciado.

Ella está ocupando el recurso del estado para lo que sea que quiera obtener beneficio, pero a costa de una revictimización. Entonces, hay que tener mucho cuidado con esto. Ella misma dice, se tuvo que reeditar, but with this, she herself says she had to re-edit it because a lot of people believed the narrative that if Carmelita Salinas, look, within her pathology,

he could have said Paquita, the one from the neighborhood. Oh no, of course, Vicente Fernandez, sorry, whoever. Whoever, and now there are conspiracy theories against the lady, which we don't know if yes or no, because we don't know, and many TikToks are already taking advantage of this, And this also implies victimization. So, the family of Carmen Salinas, who says,

hey, but let me ask you a question. Yes.

Is there a post-mortem law where I can exercise a right as a family member that does not morally harm someone who is no longer there? It is precisely the moral harm. Because you, even after death, that someone who is no longer there is not morally harmed?

That is precisely the moral harm. Because even after you die, you still have a name and an identity. Not because you die, it means that you no longer exist. You don't exist on a physical plane on Earth. But in the end, you have a legal act of function and you exist. And more because that harm transcends in a collateral way to the family.

Because Carmelita today can't defend herself and she's on the other side, right? Those who were going to go out to defend themselves, which I mentioned, people from the outskirts, they were also going to go after her. Okay, she decided, there I do,

I give myself the time and I give myself the task of omitting. But in the case that it transcends, well, in the end there are grandparents, I mean, there are grandchildren, sorry, there are children. And then they will say, hey, I would say, hey, my grandmother is not going to be talking like that. And everyone is going to say, oh, well, it was her grandmother,

it is obvious that not, because I saw that comment, No, no. He said and didn't say in lines. That's what they should have paid attention to. Not the little caramels and the beheaded rooster. But people get lost because it's just bread and circus. What does society want? Bread and circus. And as long as we don't read, that we don't have, because this is public access.

Just like I told you in the magazine, get into knowing things. Not everyone knows, but investigate because that will give you more objectivity. One thing I wanted to say, look, the greater the emotion, the less intelligence.

All the people who were exalting with us, who were putting us in a posture of stop romanticizing and who went over us saying, but how is it that... I just leave it here. The greater the emotion, the less intelligence. diciendo, pero es que como que... Nada más lo dejo aquí. Mayor emoción, menor inteligencia.

Y entre más primitivo es el cerebro de una persona, es porque muy probablemente no tuvo la oportunidad de estudiar y cultivarse. A veces porque de verdad no había otro recurso.

Pero en general, él hablando por él, no tuvo estudios. Entonces, ¿cómo le puedes hacer caso? Y no es discriminar para que no empiecen a... es que no. La realidad es que él no tuvo estudios y científicamente su cerebro no va a estar igual de desarrollado que tú, que tú, que cualquiera que tú. Por

lo menos terminamos otro grado académico. Y eso es científico. De verdad no lo estamos inventando. Here, and that's why I put the example of when we have a problem at work, of the famous false complaints, so right now it's very fashionable, and that's why I said the phrase that society itself annihilates its victims, because right now it's very fashionable, false complaint, false complaint, and now with the Uber, right? Even a while ago I shared a video of an Uber that they didn't want to pay him and he said, well, I'm going to report you and luckily the Uber man brought a camera, but what I'm going to do, how many of us, even here in the same production, that suddenly they don't understand

the messages well, or that's even the problem with WhatsApp messages, you see that look what he said, you see that I understood something else, exactly, so that's why he was invited and told them to see, we have all been in a job where suddenly, hey, I'll tell you quickly, I'm a boyfriend of three police officers right now, you're not going to be cheating on me, and he it. I just found out that they told me Hey, you're with the police from where they open the door to enter the carriages. I said, really?

Yes, but you're also with the one in the module. So, all three in the same place. All three in the same place. So, I grabbed this person and I said I don't even know them. Well, that's what they say. That you hang out with the three of them. They must be very polyamorous.

Because I don't even know who they are. So, what I'm getting at with this. All of us, even though it sounds funny. We've all had things that we make up.

All of us.

Even in high school. We are more or less contemporary. The famous gossip of course, it is a clear example, if it was a example a notebook that and so and so is not counting, no but when, if he does not even come to school, but there he is, then they are gossip, what I am going to is this, it depends on who tells the story, so here everyone, and this is the critical thing, everyone

went to listen to a criminal. Yes, it is a murder, why don't they want to see it? Yes, that's right. And one says, hey, but what about the victims? Exactly. Because out there there is another creator that is that you have to be stupid to get the victims in. Excuse me, I do see them and I am going to speak on behalf of the victims. It's because they are the ones that matter. Because they are the ones that matter. Because they are the ones that matter. And in any case, look, if you want to do this exercise well, it is interview the victims, because always on both sides of the story. Yes. So I have the side of the story of the

criminal who is important from the study of crime, but I does not leave the victims in the shadows. So, do you believe in your own conclusion? I have already interviewed both parties with experts in the mind, in these areas. You take the last word. It is very different, that is why I insist, it is dangerous, because you only have the narrative of one person, which in this case is the criminal. Clearly the book, right now you said this teacher, the book of Cannibal, of Tizapán, clearly the reporter and the author, thanks, of the book said the following, when the judge saw the videos of what Filomeno was doing,

the judge's look, he no longer I didn't even know what to do. And that's what I'm going to the criminal system, which is very likely for you and your server. It's not the same for the judge to be listening to what the expert says, for the judge to see the photos. I remember the case of a child,

that the guy still had the nerve to talk to me and say, no, it's just that the hospital people are lying, how come he has a fracture? Well, fortunately they stopped him when he was showing the judge on the screen the fracture the judge was like that

because most likely the judge was remembering if he had children, that he could have had a sweetie sweet and he had eyes but he didn't stop paying attention when you are just narrating, suddenly the judge is like this ... Yes, it is obvious that they are going to dilate.

Yes, that is, for whatever reason, we are not criticizing the judges right now, it is more, scientifically it is proven that at 20 minutes the attention is lost. Even we in the audience tend to dilate. So I say, if right now I was talking to you, and I say something that I find difficult to work with because I want to say many things. So when the judge was looking at the fracture, he had another semblance. So it is always important to know both stories, not just believe someone who has charisma and has a lip. But in any case, did we really need this story? That's what I'm wondering. I mean, is this story going to change into something?

I'm honest, no. I mean, it caught my attention, why it was such a phenomenon, because it's not the first chapter of penance. It's not like you say, oh, he's launching a new podcast. I mean, I think he's launched things, even worse, and from innocent people, from PPLs, that is, people who are free from their freedom, in an unfair way, men and women, and he didn't cause the same effect.

There you realize that it's this effect of the art of seduction that he had. And see, and the truth is that Beto, like many other criminals, says, well, he's not the most attractive, but I don't need him. I don't need him.

They turned him around and he was wrapping them. Look, I think that, I've always thought that with these inmates who are criminals, if they really had used that intelligence for good, internos que son delincuentes, si realmente hubieran ocupado esa inteligencia para bien, otra cosa sería, porque llegan a ser brillantes pero desde la criminalidad. Y él me queda claro que fue tan buen narrador que se lo creyó tan bien que todos se la compraron.

Eso es cuando tú estás como con las defensas bajas y papaloteando y te compras la historia. Pues también como mujeres tendemos mucho a tener el espíritu de salvadoras. Y rescatadoras.

Es que es eso, por supuesto, que es la veñida bestia.

Exacto. Entonces yo te voy a rescatar porque mira, yo sé que tú hiciste mal. Y aunque tú estés diciendo que no te arrepientes, yo sé que con mi amor, eso no pasa. in the prison. They enter the prison because they don't think that the Conyugal Vista is a resort where they have Jacuzzis. I don't want to tell you because they are not installations

that are worthy of having an intimacy, but they access it because it is a right that they have, unlike other countries that don't have the right to the Conyugal Vista. In Mexico, yes. Sometimes they are even gathered outside the... I remember that a once outside the North prison some guys got beaten up

because the lover got together with the wife inside. And they were beating each other up with closed fists. I remember I even made the joke, I said, well, if there are 12 more inmates, I mean, like, pick another one. In the end, it's a very hostile environment.

The people who are saying, I'm going, I enter, they have no idea what the prison system is like. I mean, they romanticize it because they've seen it in series. Those of us who have to enter, even being professionals and taking care of ourselves, it's not like I'm having a good time, like... You don't want to be there. They don't want to be there.

And I'm a man, I mean, now with women it's worse. Exactly. I mean, praying with women is worse? Exactly. I mean, no man. And even more if you don't know how to drive. Yes. Because imagine that they manage to enter. Not in a supposed tour. Let's see, Beto. They won't be able to control themselves inside the prison.

And they smell them. Chemically, they smell fear. That's why you always have to go ten steps ahead of them. Always, what I say, I treat them with respect. adelante de ellos. Siempre lo que yo digo, yo los trato con respeto, no todo someto. A mí siempre, nunca en la vida más bien me han faltado el respeto, pero porque yo siempre he marcado la línea de no nos vamos a llevar de a piquete de ombligo y jiji jaja. Entonces, cuando no conoces este medio y no estás entrenado en el buen sentido o entrenada,

es muy fácil que ellos te coman, but no problem. A few days ago in Relatos Forenses we did the case of the Chihuahua deportee, do you remember? And we talked about Bukele and this Chilean journalist who was crying for the prisoners.

And the common denominator of the comments in that chapter was that they take her to see

what they did, that she talk to the families. And why not? Because I think we are a country where human rights are still being romanticized too much in terms of them. And we leave the victims aside. Even though the role is there. We who are in the exercise of criminal law. It is always like self-incrimination.

But be careful, ma'am, because you are harassing the accused. And I think that we are a country where we have to be careful. And I think that we have to be careful. We, who are in the exercise of criminal law, it's always like, take care of the self-incrimination. But be careful, ma'am, because you're harassing the accused. But be careful, ma'am, for the presumption of innocence. Okay, fine.

But once they dictate a sentence, I insist, in confessed criminals, I think there should be another type of prison for them. Not to be mixed with a population that shouldn't be mixed. Look, it's supposed that when they enter, they do a personality test, but it's a micro-test. They don't think it's just like,

Oh, tell me how old you are. No, so many. Well, I consider that if it's dangerous, the one who follows. It's really not a specialized study. Another thing is that there is no monitoring area once they are going to leave. Other countries

do employ it where there is a multidisciplinary team, the psychologist, the lawyer, the psychiatrist, and monitor if he is really ready to leave society, as to give him a preliminary benefit. Mexico does not have it because Mexico is still a very paternalistic country of many things on the subject of how there is broken childhood, I justify criminals, how there are destroyed children, I justify if they are... And yes and no, but they have not really worried about prevention from below and not romanticize. And see how raw it is, that we have disguised it so much,

but reality will always surpass fantasy, unfortunately, to those of us who have to be inside. I think that's why human rights, look, reclusion, and you know it, I shoot by travel, is that they don't let me make my call to my family,

human rights, is that the ranch has already hurt me, human rights, is that I already got the tongue out of the flashlight, derechos humanos. Es que ya me hizo daño el rancho, derechos humanos. Es que ya me sacó la lengua tal interno, derechos humanos. Hoy por hoy los custodios ya no están armados como antes. Antes tú los veías con diferente equipo

y con mucho respeto, hoy por hoy. A mí me contó un custodio, ahí en el oriente, que tuvieron que correr una vez porque uno estaba fuera de sí, lo quería apuñalar y tuvo que correr. to run. He said, I have nothing left to defend my son. Human rights. So that's why they criticize Bukele so much, because Bukele says, let's see, they're not going to be with me with their clowning,

and he's the Mara. I mean, he's not just any criminal. And since he has them like that, but you have food. I mean, you have food, you have a roof, you have water, you are better than on the street. So, you do have benefits. And as he says, and keep it up, and you won't even have a plate of rice. I would like to see this system of bukele in a certain group of delinquents in Mexico. But I think it's going to happen a lot.

And what will happen if they do a collection, as they are planning, and they take all these food, all these supplies, they throw away the tennis, the aviator suit, there won't be the one he wants and he's going to send it to him.

I'm not kidding.

Yes, it's real.

What's going to happen? The prison system is going to say, it's so media-friendly that we're going to have to leave it? Well, the ideal would be that it to be the other way around. That they don't let him in more than he has the right to. But you know what's going to happen? That since there's direct access,

Hey, Vilma, look, I brought you this. Take it. And he will probably go inside. Hey guys, for 10 pesos, who wants Kleenex? For 50 pesos, because, look, when they sent letters to Bondi, Bondi sold them because the letters were sent in photos of bath suits, right?

So Bondi said, I didn't even see them, I was selling them with this. Like pornography. Like pornography, because in the end I had, I mean, it was a way for Bondi to do business. Fortunately, there are times, that's why I say I don't understand why manera de bond y hacer negocio. Afortunadamente hay veces que por eso digo no entiendo por qué si el reglozo del oriente impidió que Miguel recibiera cartas porque se las quedaron de fans que si le mandaron a Miguel y que afortunadamente nunca le hicieron llegar y que les dije destruyan

las que malas y me consta que ya las destruyeron. Miguel nunca las leyó, tem don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. to and they check the food as they are checked and they take away what they take away from them, because one followed the other, right? I as an intern would protest, because he followed or not

Not all of us have the same rights in reclusion But I'm not going to give you ideas, guys, because in a moment you're going to say Because of the law we made a riot Something that draws a lot of attention is that when the same podcast brings out the mom of Calcetita Rojas is that when the same podcast brings out the red sock mom, all the women went over her.

And here I say it's going to sound horrible but it's just an exercise to put it on the table. It was a girl, a girl with this guy, they are dozens of children because he did it for years and carried and carried and knew what the children were going to then see the question that is so bad to romanticize and machista and the question of I say I will say it with a lot of respect I am seeing it according to this analysis the mom of red socks was a woman

and was attacked, this guy is not, this guy is a lipid, manipulative, has charisma, is a man and then this complex comes, as you said, from Salvador, so see the difference, this is an exercise, I am not saying that I am misogynistic, no, no, no, just so that we can see how on the one hand the mother of a girl who was brutally murdered was swallowed in the comments and how this one, the papachas, they take her to almost almost the aviator suit. And she was also broken, she had a complicated childhood and under the effect, we are not justifying it, but you could say conscious or consciente o inconsciente, o sea, no estás al 100 haciendo lo que hiciste, pero con ella, ella sí es

una cualquiera, ella era no sé qué con estos estereotipos, pero él, aún a pesar de que él mismo está diciendo lo que hizo, él sí tiene derecho a una reinserción por ser guapo para algunos, porque for being handsome for some, because they said, someone else happened to him that fell in love with him. Yes, that's why I say he has charisma, it's the effect of the body. And the comment has more than 500 likes. And there are 500 that may be leaving on March 8, against violence towards women. And many of those children were women.

I at least said, I'm not going to leave this March 8. I already explained it on my TikTok, why. I'm getting more and more disappointed, and I'm not a macho, I'm not a radical feminist either. I'm just fair. And I think that every time, as women, we go from bad to worse in many aspects. And I prefer to say, I don't march hypocritically.

And I help victims from another trench. I'm not worried about the outfit I'm going to wear. Oh, yes, we wear shirts of such and such colors. It's not a parade. Respect the true victims who have to go scream because they have no choice.

Because the state has not turned them over to see. Because the state has been left to see. And not the ones who go just to take a picture, to generate likes, to... So I decide, it's my opinion, my decision, from my trench, this March 8th, not to march. I don't know what you think. No, me neither. I think there are other things to do. And...

Like these, I do feel bad for all these girls that possibly had access to a cell phone, that are being violated at this moment, todas estas niñas que posiblemente tuvieron acceso a un celular que están siendo violentadas en este momento y están viendo que un depredador, que un violentador, tiene más oportunidad y más voz que ellas mismas. Y eso, de verdad, eso sí me duele. Sí, sí, este tema de ver que yo quedé como… y lo decíamos ayer, yo cuando siento que algo me sorprende, de verdad me sorprende otra cosa y no para mejor, ¿saben? O sea, and we said it yesterday, when I feel that something surprises me, it really surprises me

something else and not for the better, you know? And I think that as humanity we have evolved, we are the most evolved species, sorry, I don't know what species you mean, because it is clear to me that no. Well, thank you very much, what do you think if we say goodbye with this narrative that No. It goes deep, with hairs and signs, without repairing the forms. Children to the letter is a frontal complaint, documented and lived by the author, which hopes to contribute to awakening a society that debates between indifference and ignorance, as long as it does not live and does not feel in its own flesh, lacquer like those in this book are documented,

which undoubtedly must become a requirement for the corresponding authorities. lacras como las que en este libro se documenta, que sin duda se deben de convertir en una exigencia para las autoridades correspondientes. Sin duda, las principales víctimas de este tráfico ilegal son niños. Sus voces son inaudibles. Para todos los que se benefician con su comercio, ni su mente, ni su cuerpo, ni sus pulmones son lo suficientemente maduros para comprender y oponerse al aprobio del que son objetos. nor their body, nor their lungs are mature enough to understand and oppose the approval of what they are objects.

Their innocence does not allow them to discern, much less to choose and accept life for calling it that. What awaits them, with who knows who and where, we do not know. When cases are known, as those narrated in this text, arise from wherever dozens of forced questions. Where is justice? Where are the institutions that have the obligation to apply it?

Where are the vociferantes, defenders of freedoms and human rights? That for the That for the scoundrels they do demand, and for the children