Arief Muhammad dan Momen Sendirinya

Today with my old friend, Arief Muhammad Good morning

How are you?

I was surprised when I came in

Why?

There's a snake, why did you take care of it? This is Tio Tio is... Here, you can take care of it Okay Tio is taking care of the snake

The albino snake, right?

The white one, right? Yes

And the bolvitan That and bolvitan That's bolvitan too The white one? Yes And the one with the bolt fitter That one and the bolt fitter Oh, the bolt fitter too Well, he doesn't have a girlfriend

So he has to fill in the blanks Can I ask a question?

Sure

What's the petting for snakes? It's funny Can you show us? Sure, sure What kind of comfort do you get from petting snakes?

Relax

Why is your face red? What did you get from the snake? Relax. Relax. Why is your face red?

Your face is red because you're holding a snake.

No.

Your face is still red.

I laughed until it's red.

Tio likes snakes.

Because he has a lot of pets. Yes, because he came to me and said, do you want to hold my snake? He said that

And I said, yes, right?

You should find a girlfriend Yes He hasn't had a girlfriend for a long time So he has to pet animals But I've known you for a long time Since you were in college

In Trisakti

In Trisakti, and you and Omen.

Yes.

Omen is still there? Omen is still there? Yes, he still comes today. So he's your driver, right?

Yes.

His name is not Omen, right?

His name is Andrian Shah. He's called Omen because he looks like a rat in... In Dauda Kassanindro. You've already told Indra? Because he's that scary? I mean, he's that annoying? Yeah, that's right. But he's been called Omen since before I started working with him. Oh, he's been called by his friends. His friends call him Omen. I also knew his name was Omen, but it turned out to be Andrian Shah. How can you be so close to him? Because when you came here, you also asked,

Oh, Fadil is still there, Puput is still there. Then I saw Omen is still there. If Fadil, Puput, I know why it's long-lasting. Because they are Waras, right? They are like, that's it. But Omen, I saw... You know Omen, right?

I know. I've deleted him six times.

Okay, six times deleted.

So, six times deleted, the last time I fired him was about 9 years ago. Or 7 years ago. And then, he said he wanted to change, but he didn't change.

Okay.

I don't know.

Wait, you were fired first?

A lot, a lot.

How many?

Late, he was late. He once stepped on my feet with a car. Omen is typical. I used to work at 7 AM. He always came at 10 or 11 AM. I cut it.

I felt sorry for him, so I accepted it. I was at an event. The last peak I was at was at Plaza Indonesia. His house was in Tanah Abang. I was waiting for since before the event. Man, wait for me at the parking lot.

I'll finish the event in a few hours. You can pick me up in a few hours. Okay. That's it. There's going to be another event after that. Okay.

Then, I waited in the lobby.

His phone was not on. Not active. Then, I waited. Two hours later, he just picked me up, and he went home and went to bed. He went home? Yes, so he took me to Plaza Indonesia, and then he went home. Why did he go home?

No other reason?

No other reason.

I finally broke up at that time. It's been a while, two months, and then back again. Wait a minute, you broke up with him hard, like, you don't have to work with me anymore.

Or still like, good?

That's like a love-hate relationship. No, it shouldn't be. It should be hate-hate. But, what is it? The driver is one of the people who is with us most often every day. Sure. I've tried to change the driver, but it's not comfortable. In the end, it's comfortable to him again. He's also tried to change drivers, but it's not comfortable. In the end, I'm comfortable with him.

He also tried to work in another place, but he's not comfortable, so he came back to me. Why do I still accept it?

But...

But your relationship is funny, because Omen has a child, and he plays with your child. It's a long relationship I remember Radit changed his driver every month every month?

are you still like that? no you literally changed your driver every month at that time?

yes

when you work with me for a year Radit has changed his driver 7 times

not that much

I swear

really?

I swear there's one that I remember for a long time but I also remember that there's one that I remember for a long time But I also remember one that I don't want to change There's one that's really fun, can I tell you?

What is it?

You fight with your driver and you're left behind at the tollgate

Do you know that?

No, no, no, that's not necessary

You have to tell us!

Yeah, yeah. I remember that moment. It felt like it was my car. But I left it.

I'll tell you a little bit.

Okay, just a little bit. If it looks like it's for someone, I'll cut it.

Okay.

I'm a little bit confused. You wanted to go out of town.

Yeah, I think so. I was a bit confused at that time. You wanted to go out of town.

Yes, I think so.

You wanted to go to the airport, if I'm not mistaken. And then? I don't know why you were so angry. And the driver said, just drive yourself. And you were left in the middle of the highway by the driver.

Is that right?

I don't know. But there was a time when I had a driver who was always late. And when he's driving, he's like... We're like... We're like passengers. What's wrong with him? Will he hit the truck?

I think those are the moments. But now he's retired. Right? Mr. Imam. It's been a long time. How long has he been retired? 5 years

And there was one driver I replaced him because there was something that shouldn't be done Yes But you found Omen It's fun for you too Because outside there are many other drivers

That are weird But on average, my office team also worked with me for a long time Didi is still there The old kids are still there It's a weird design. But my office team has been working with me for a long time. Didi is still here. The other kids are still here. So, the people who joined me are still here.

But your career is quite long. When did you feel your big break? It must be when you were in Pocong. After that, you even disappeared. I didn't see you again. After people stopped using Twitter I started again

After I started Youtube, daily vlog Finally, there was a new one But you experienced I remember From the beginning we knew Brand on Twitter was quite good

Yes We can get millions Many Do you remember? If you want to cut it, just say it But I remember you gave a brand on Twitter at that time

It was 1 million Do you remember? Until someone, we don't have to mention his name Someone came and said, Arief Muhammad's price is too cheap Then he raised your price by 4 million Do you remember?

You told me that. Now my price has increased by 400%, so it's 4 million. And it's not over, it's an endorsement for you at that time. Well, it means that there's a lot of money. When you're popular on Twitter. Then you disappear, right?

What happened? I mean, you just fell off suddenly, like, you just fell off suddenly with no endorsement, or what happened? How could you disappear? The trigger was when Twitter was not fun anymore. Mostly, many people moved to Pat at that time.

Okay. From there, playing Twitter was not fun anymore. For me and for many people at that time. You too, I think you were already... I quit. You started not tweeting. From there, Endersan went down, down, down.

It was the moment when I was in trouble. So, actually it was gone. It was because I was famous on Twitter. Then Twitter was not crowded anymore, there was no job anymore. That's what made me think,

I think there must be something else. Were you surprised? It turns out that the ease and pleasure of all this money

suddenly disappeared.

Surprised, because that's one of the... It's also a waste, right? It wasn't in my life plan to live like that. To be a celebrity. We didn't have a celebrity title yet. What's an influencer?

Do you remember when I got my identity?

Yes.

You told me to admit that it was me. Okay, you have to admit it. Because you were one of the people who were sad. Because I asked a lot of questions when my identity was revealed. I was like, I don't want to play Twitter anymore.

Yeah.

It's not fun anymore, right? It's not fun anymore. Because what I was looking for on Twitter was just for fun. Finally, it was revealed. I don't want to play anymore. Then I talked to you, you said, -"You are actually..." -"Moment." Moment. And it happened.

I finally did it there. I was really surprised because on Twitter, as you said earlier, it's really easy to make money. Right. We just have to tweet, tweet, tweet. But because of that,

I was in a hurry. I got the income even before I graduated from college, which is I haven't worked yet. So when that moment passed, I wasn't used to the world of work. And so, if I went back to work, when we were used to it, our income was quite good. So, I was still 20 years old at that time.

I was 19 years old. I thought, if I had to work with my salary per month, like 4 times, like once tweeting at that time, I think it would be really hard. That's why at first, when Twitter fell,

I thought, I should try to do business. I don't know what kind of business at that time. But if you don't show your real identity at that time, maybe you can't make content vlog that makes you popular, right? Because that's not the purpose from the beginning.

For the vlog or for the money? No, for the way of life, I wanted to be a lawyer. That's why I got a scholarship and all that. Well, it's too late to be a lawyer when all the money is endorsed. It's not late, but it's already... At that time, it was too comfortable.

Like if I had to start from scratch, be a housekeeper again, from the beginning, I had to be a housewife, I had to be a housewife, and so on. At that time, my mentality was not ready for that. Have you ever experienced a moment when you were surprised to see the money,

so that your attitude changed? To many things? Actually, no. I'm not a party person, I don't do anything. So, actually, the cost of living is not high. But more like, what is it?

Usually, I have received a lot. So, at that time, I already have a benchmark. Like, if I want to do something, at least I have to be there.

Okay.

Well, when you made the vlog, did you feel safe? Finally, I was more popular, and there was this thing. When I made the vlog, the direction was not there anymore. At that time, Twitter was quiet. Twitter was quiet, and I sold satay at that time.

Right, the one in Kemang. The one in Kemang. I sold satay. And I sold a lot of satay. I sold around 100 satay a year. And then, I sold satay at night. So, I had a lot of free time in the afternoon.

I was like, what should I do? I made content, I vlogged. I couldn't imagine to make money from vlogging. I just vlogged, and then the brand started to come. My mindset has changed. I was on Twitter, I thought I could make money from it.

But when I vlogged, I got income from it. I want to use the money to grow my business. That's how it happened. Yes, because you're a businessman now. Yes, that's how it happened. Yes, because you're now a businessman. Yes, that's the way it is. So, you didn't want to expand your business to be a creator.

For me, I've been a creator since I was young. I wrote a blog, made a book, and now I'm a creator. When I see you, I think you're a businessman. Yes, because I think there may be trauma too, maybe. Trauma when on Twitter, right?

When on Twitter, I feel like I don't have a foundation in anything. So, if someday for some reason I don't have a backup plan, I think the more stable one to be a legacy, for a long life, I think it's business.

Okay. So, from there I'm like, okay, to live a long life, I think it's business. Okay.

So, I just do what I like, make content and all that. But the main point is not there. I use it to expand my business. Okay. That's why there's Payakumbua, and all that. You play golf too. Is it for business too?

No.

I just like it. Because people say you have to play golf if you want to do business. No? I don't know. But if I play golf with my friends, it's not for networking. Oh, no?

No, I just like it. I met someone yesterday. He said golf is we can see the real character of the person on the field. Yes. So before any business deal, you ask him to play golf.

Yes.

Because you know what kind of person he is. If for example he plays golf, he says he's against himself.

I've never played, so I don't know.

Yes.

He said... Someone likes to hide the ball, then put it, then like this.

Yes.

From here, even though we know he's lying. So, he's not a business partner. Is there really? Yes, there is. Have you ever played golf with someone like that? Yes, there is. Why do you have to cheat in your own game?

I don't understand. But, you definitely don't want to do business with someone like that, right?

No?

Yes, and no. Actually, I is it? I just see the character.

Oh.

But, but, those little things, make you have an imagination. Like, oh, it turns out this person is ambitious. Oh, it turns out this person is calm. That's what it looks like. And my argument,

because I'm, because of Anissa, I'm playing a paddle. I said, we can also see padel from the field. How? For example, if he wants to surf, he goes like this. He can't do that. He's a partner.

It's up to you.

He can't be a partner.

Because I saw you were stressed yesterday. I saw you, I think you were stressed yesterday. Then I saw your video. Drowning. In a place, while drinking coffee. What did you think of a young boy at that time? I was also surprised, suddenly it's crowded.

It was actually next to my house, sir. So next to my house there was a smoking shop. The conflict's fathers usually hang out there to smoke and drink coffee.

Okay.

So, sometimes, when I'm bored at my house's terrace, I go there to drink coffee and relax.

What do you think when you relax?

Have you ever been like that?

I have. If I'm like this, because I always have... If I'm drinking coffee, I usually never drink at night. Okay.

And only at special moments for me. For example, I need a boost of creativity. Drinking coffee can give me that boost. For example, I'm on a deadline, I'll drink coffee while thinking, contemplating.

Oh, it's hard.

I have to whisper.

The coffee is aesthetic.

To think about what I want to do. So, if you ask me, have I ever hesitated? Usually, it's in those moments. Like, I'm looking for something to tell you. I'm preparing for a stand-up show, right? I look at my notes,

and I hesitate whether it's right or not. At least, it's like that. Because it's my job. Well, you hesitate. Because that's my job. Well, you're thinking. Thinking for me, thinking while drinking coffee or something else.

That's part of the job for me.

Okay. You're like that too, right? Until you... I feel that's one of the needs of normal people. So I think we sometimes need time alone to think, to contemplate. Like you said earlier, I'm using a lot of noise too.

So what is it? It's just nice to think, accompanied by the men of the complex. Yes, yes, yes. Is there a relationship that is not the same? Why do husbands always want to have their own moment while drinking coffee? Have you ever seen that?

Maybe because it's more peaceful, Edith. If I'm at home, we actually talk about it. But sometimes there are things that we can't talk about first, we need time to talk about it, or sometimes we don't need to tell the story. As a father and husband, I feel like there's a moment when we need to be alone.

To think about things. Sometimes, as a couple, we have too many roles. You have to be a husband, you have to be a father, sometimes you have to be a teacher for your child, you have to be a friend, you have to be a father, sometimes you have to be a teacher for your child,

you have to be a friend of your child's imagination, you have to be a driver to drive your wife, if there is no one else who can help you drive. So, too many roles sometimes make us tired, right? Of course, wives also feel the same, right? But sometimes I feel like I need a little break.

To be quiet. Sometimes it's about the moment itself. We have time to think, we have time to be 100% again. When we're alone. Do you feel different from from your younger days?

Not really. But it's not like when I was young and old. I feel the difference between before and after having kids. So, you don't have much time alone after having kids? No, it's more like... Before having kids,

I was very ambitious. And everything was about me. After having kids, it's like... it turns out and everything is about me. After having a child, it's like, it turns out not everything is about us. Everything is about the child. That's the difference.

How do you enjoy your loneliness? Is it still the same as before? Do you still drink coffee? Or do you walk alone? It's still the same, but the difference is now I'm more often thinking about going home. In the past, but now I'm more of a homebody.

Back then, I could go out and play with my old friends until late at night. Now, I just want to play with my kids. But nothing has changed in me. I still do what I like. But now, I spend more time with my kids. I spend my weekend with my kids. If I want to do something, I remember to ask my kids if they like it. I'm more to the kids. If it's a holiday, I'll go with my kids. If I want to do something, I'll remember.

My kids will like it or not. It's more to the kids. And your two kids are happy when they go with you? They're happy. Because sometimes my kids... Why?

Sometimes they try to flirt with their mom. I just want to be with my mom. No, I think they're happy. And it's... I think they can have a vacation if they can. I see your stories, and your stories abroad are really fun.

Actually, it's not that fun. You know how tired it is to take your kids to the beach. True. So, now, me and my wife, when we're on vacation, we bring our sister, we bring our team, and all that.

Because our kids are still too young. When my second kid, they're already 3 years old, and my brother is 5 years old. We decided that if we go on vacation, we won't bring anyone.

Okay.

Because when we go together, we'll get more bonding.

Okay.

And...

It's harder for me.

Okay.

Well, I went to Australia with my kids, I didn't bring my sister either. We got more better, right? The stress was better, right?

I was far more bonding.

It's really confusing.

That's right.

It's really confusing to take care of those kids. It's confusing. The first time I went abroad on vacation with my wife, I didn't bring my sister, just my kids. The first sentence I said to my wife, Tomorrow's vacation, we bring everyone. You just said bonding. You said you want to promote bonding.

That's right. I'm telling a story. But after we had a vacation with the team, the difference is, I didn't have a vacation with my kid. Because if there's something, the kid is sulking, I called his sister, Sister, please accompany him, and all kinds of things.

So it's just a vacation, but the bonding is not getting it. Yes, yes, yes. So I'm having a session with my son's psychologist, for Alia and Aca, my two children. His recommendation is to spend more time dating, in quotes, dating with the child alone.

So now, we often go to the mall only with his brother. So, it's a lot of time to date, in quotation marks, date with their own children.

So now, we often go to the mall only with their brother.

After that, we will be replaced by their younger brother.

So, we will be replaced.

Because it turns out, in these two, they sometimes feel like they don't have special time with their parents. Even though we as parents, if we have two children, it's a package, right?

Yes, yes, yes.

Finally, that's what we do. Well, this is a week with Alea all the time. Okay. So, for example, go to the mall only with Alea. Then, singing class only with Alea. We don't even know where our sister is now. But does that mean you realize that too?

That, oh, it turns out't just keep on dueting? Yes, and we do that too. Because when we're together, we're both jealous. When we're with his brother, he's jealous. When we're with his sister, he's jealous. I often separate them.

So, sometimes, like Baim, I invite him to the activity that we both do. I invite to go camping with me. With Omen too, the three of us. So, if we want to go bonding with Baim, I invite him to play with the car community. We go camping, but only men.

You play with the car community?

Me, not you. And for Mecca, there was a Disney on Ice, I invited both of them.

Oh, yeah.

Without Omen. Because it's late? Because it's late. So, I agree. We have to spend time with them one by one.

I agree.

And at that age, I really want to pay attention to. Because my son, Alea, his teeth are starting to fall off. It's broken. Huh? It's natural. It's a change of teeth, right?

Have you experienced it? Not yet. He knows that adults will grow teeth. He really waits for his teeth to fall off. I thought his teeth, in my opinion, his teeth fell off because of your name. So I was a bit shocked.

I was fighting with him in the Holy Wings. But he was waiting for his teeth to fall off. And he showed it. He had a box that only had his teeth. One. One. One tooth.

Because he took it everywhere. I was already big. Well, exactly one day ago, one seed. Because it was brought to many places. I was already growing up. Well, exactly one day ago, last night, I was talking to my wife, and she cried. Because it's like, crazy, right?

We used to take care of this kid from a baby, until he grew a tooth that only had a white tip. We were so happy. Finally, he grew a tooth and now the tooth is gone it's like a whole circle of story from his life

he cried how can it be that fast? do you have that moment? I'm a Malay now I rarely cry I'm quite hard to cry very rarely. I was quite difficult to cry.

But now, there are many moments like... ...that are like a mirror. Especially when it's about my kids. Like the first time I took them to school. I was like, they're still a kid. Suddenly they're this age.

Then, suddenly, when I was playing with my friends... Back then, they were like, whatever, we're like, Dad, Dad, mom, mom. Now, suddenly, with my friends, I was left alone, they were playing with their friends. And then, suddenly, they were having fun by themselves.

So, like, it was a joke back then, they were very easy to make people laugh. Just like, wow, or they were clicked and laughed. Now, it's getting bigger, so it's not as easy to make people laugh. So I don't know, I just thought about it.

If they're big, how it's gonna be.

Did you cry? Yes.

When was the last time? Every month. Every month? Because...

Maybe it's a small amount? No.

Every month? Because... It's a PMS, right? You're so perfect.

I don't count it. Because of the trigger on Instagram, I often love-love the parenting posting. So, I often go through a lot of Dxplore. So, if I'm out on Dxplore, talking about my kid,

suddenly, like... Contemplation, when the kid is big, all kinds of things. Like thinking, like, yes, if he's big, I'll leave him alone.

Yes, yes, yes.

Do you know why? In my opinion, everything feels too fast because of technology. You usually scroll until you don't know what time it is, then every day there's a new news. This artist is fighting with this, there's this, all kinds. So you feel full. The story you get from many people with many situations.

Because of that, you don't live in the moment anymore. You're not here anymore, feeling that I'm talking to you, we cherish the moment, it's not anymore. Especially with the kids, sometimes we play with the kids on the phone. And that's just a moment. That's why I think the moments of coffee and the fire boat,

like what you did yesterday, it's really special.

Can I cheers the coffee?

Cheers.

Yes.

It's smooth.

It's smooth.

It's not smooth when you talk. But do you feel tired of your life now? I see your IG story, you don't follow me anymore. You're being hit by a car.

What's that?

I don't understand anymore. What are you doing? Where did you fly to? And then you're going abroad. And you're going with Prilly, right?

Are you tired? I see you're tired.

I'm tired, but I'm also excited. I think everyone has their own tiredness. If we say we're tired, we're tired. But we're very grateful. Because we've been in the moments you said, when there was nothing and so on.

So, I enjoy the tiredness more now.

Okay.

How tired are you? If I used to work, I even wrote on Twitter, it feels like Lego that is about to fall and then break. I've worked, I was so tired, I felt like that. Have you ever felt tired at any moment? Until you cried because of too much work?

For me, the most I felt was... when I focus on my business, my content is not caught.

Okay.

When I finally... my content is not caught, I focus on the content. My business is not caught. So, the struggle for content is not good. I focus on the content. My business is not good. So, the struggle for me is actually there. Because I used to, when I started a business, I didn't know anything yet. I thought that business can be autopilot, we can delegate business to people, etc.

Until finally, when I run a real business, a legit business, I was like, oh, I can't, I still have to go and all that. Well, my difficulty is to divide the time for those two things, Dit. And it's really difficult because I'm typical, now I'm directly in my business, I really take care of everything, in my business, until finally take care of everything in my business.

Until finally my content is not caught. The biggest struggle for me is to balance all of that plus there's still a wife and a child that I have to think about. Sometimes, even now, like yesterday, if you often see me going somewhere, it's already reduced. Oh, it's reduced?

It's reduced. Because if I cut everything, it's not balanced. Time for family, time for work, time for content. So, that's what makes me most dizzy. That's why when you ask me, I'm tired.

Actually, I'm really tired. But I'm grateful. And I think everyone is tired. With different levels of tiredness. But I'm tired. Because I once heard your story,

you played a sinetron, right? You played a sinetron. And our manager was the same. Until he was scolded by your family because you gave him too much work. Do you see that? Because you were sick.

Yes, yes, yes. Now, the feeling is the same. There are times when you feel you are sick, you are tired, but you still keep going because you have to do it as before. People have to balance between content and business. Have you ever been in that moment?

The tiredness is the same, but the feeling is different. Because maybe the feeling is, if in the past, the job I got was a job that I couldn't choose. Because when I was a trainee, I was given jobs A, B, C, D. You work for a living. Now it's more like tired, but I enjoy doing it. Because everything I do now, I have the freedom to choose.

Like, oh, I want this job. job, I don't want to do this job. So, it's more like... the tiredness is fun. I understand. I know why. Because you used to work as a teacher for other people. You shoot the sinetron,

for the IP of the sinetron, right? Yes. If you work this tiredness for your own IP, so that I can grow, that's what, right? Yes. If you work hard for your own IP, so that it will be fruitful, you own it. Yes.

You are a part of it. You are the content, you own the content. So there is a sense of ownership of what you make, right?

Yes.

So I enjoy doing it now.

Okay, so you never complain, right?

Like to your team? Often.

Oh, often.

Often.

Oh, I see. No, no, no. But the complaint is more like... So, we... what I said earlier, it's about the time, Dit.

The time.

Sometimes it's messy because every business I have, and my content team are different. The teams are different and sometimes there is a moment when the event is a collision. Between this content and this, where should I go, collision. So, sometimes it's annoying, but there's coffee, so it's safe. Oh, so your spirit is 100%?

Back to 100% Oh, so it's spirit is 100%? Back to 100% Oh, so that's a good way to recharge Really Where? While thinking, contemplating While watching fish in the pond Watching fish in the pond?

Yes, while drinking coffee

You're watching fish in the pond?

Rather than watching snakes This is a ration snake I'm watching fish

Not my snake, my human snake

Wow, that's so exciting. But it's really a long journey. What's next for you?

What do you want to do?

Now I know what I want.

What is it?

Finally, after going through all this, I want to have a business legacy. I want to have a business that can be passed down to my grandchildren. Not a business that is temporary. Because I've tried to make a viral business before. And it looks like a viral business, there's age and it's not long-lasting.

That's why now if you look at the businesses I choose, they are boring businesses, which people are lazy to do. I didn't make a cafe, I didn't make a coffee shop, I made a restaurant. Then I made a motorcycle workshop.

Yes, I know that. I even made a Sunnah house. I mean, I don't chase a trend business anymore, I don't chase a viral business anymore, I'm more into a stable business that can be a legacy. But it's true, they say that a boring business is better than an exciting business.

Is that really the theory? Yes and no, actually. Everyone has their own market and their own potential. But the momentum in Indonesia, I see, there are many business lines that people don't think about. But actually, there are not many players there.

And I think it's sexier to be played like, oh, well, I have to make a coffee shop, I compete with many other coffee shops. Then I make a restaurant that is hype, etc. Why don't I make a restaurant that has been around for decades? On average, if we look at Padang restaurant,

it must be 40 years old, 60 years old, 20 years old. So there's a success story there. I also play in circumcision because not many people play there.

True.

And it turns out that the market is very big.

Oh yeah?

A lot. There are more than 200 million people in Indonesia who will definitely circumcise in the end. Right, yes, that's the potential. Well, we play in the boring business and we focus on that.

If the composition now, if you can share, the most revenue from all your business, I think it's Payakumbuah, right? Yes, Payakumbuah and Dewa Motor. Because our Sunnah house is new too. So, because I know my pension fund account,

and I already know the balance, I have reached 2019, I know how to feel enough for me. Because I know the figure. I know how much the figure should me. Because I know the number. I know how many I have to do. And that's it. So, everything I do now is because I'm happy.

Like I made a weird story show, a new stand-up show. Because I'm happy doing it. At some point, when do you feel that's enough for you? You already have 4 businesses. At what point do you feeling like, Oh, this is it. I can do it if it's just this much.

Actually, I see the legacy is not what I have now. And what's there now. But what will be there later. Until my child grows up. For them, it's like education savings, savings and all kinds of things. We already have that. But now it's like...

for a daily life, it's done. For a daily life. So now, the revenue I get, I just keep going around opening... For example, I add more Payakumbo branch, I add more Deomotor branch.

Because I know the potential for the future, and you said earlier, the IP brand is mine. So I don't feel burdened to spend time to make it bigger. Because I know it's mine. And for the problem of enough, I think it's more to... If it's enough, now it's enough. But what we're chasing is the long-lasting.

Not how much, but how long it lasts. Okay. What is it that makes you tired of being a husband? What makes you tired as a husband? Especially since Tipang has been with you since the beginning. I'm sometimes confused, like a girl.

I feel like I'm a husband, we're good, right? We're good. We work hard. We also provide everything, love our kids. But there's still a word out there like, you don't have time for me. So, I think, what have I been doing all this time?

Right.

That's sometimes my fault. When I feel like a good husband, when I feel like a good father, a good family leader, it turns out I'm not a good husband yet. Because you feel like you don't have time.

Yes, because it turns out I was wrong. I thought it was the same. I enjoy my family, spend time with my family I often spend time with my family I thought that's enough But in real life, it's not enough

My wife also needs to know Yesterday was a family holiday, when is my holiday? I thought, are you not a family? So, it's better to have a family holiday She doesn't go. So, you can be separated.

I'm the one who's troublesome to take care of the kids.

You're lying.

It's getting troublesome. So, it turns out... That's why I said it's hard to share time, because when you share time with your family, you have to share time with your family and with your wife.

And it's out that you need it too. And what happened? I often watch it together. Once a week, I watch Bioskoll. That's what you do? We often go out together too. We had a moment where we were like,

this is one house, but it's far. It turns out that we often go out together, we often have vacations together, all kinds of things, it turns out we miss it, like, oh, we don't spend enough time together. Finally, now, I and Tipang often go on vacation together too. So we go on vacation, we don't take the kids, like that. Finally, we often do that too. Well, for me, wherever. I didn't go with her. Did you just watch her at mealtime?

Mealtime? Yeah, I just went to the mall with her. Because I don't like crowded places, right? And I went everywhere. I watched her. That's why I watched Anissa the most

or looked for an exciting place to eat. Something delicious. So, in your IG story, you like to take pictures of the sensor agency. Yeah. In your IG story, you like to take pictures of the sensor agency. Yes. Quite often, right? Yes. It must be the two of you.

It must be my wife. Yes, yes, because it's exhausting, you know. Sometimes we are tired, you know. But we can't protest with our wives too. Because the wife is just as tired as we are. She thinks the child is definitely much deeper than us.

Her name is also name, right? But on the other hand, it's tiring, actually, every day at work. Then sometimes my wife says, I asked to be accompanied by this and that. Then it's the same as you said, right? Not the one you accompanied yesterday. But it turns out there is a part of our time that she asks for more.

Which we may not even catch. Another problem is sometimes it's hard to invite people to hang out at the pub while drinking coffee. Why is there no image of that? Why is there no image of the men wearing sarong and drinking coffee? And the wife is also like this, drinking coffee.

Why is there no image of that?

Actually, the answer is simple. You know what men are talking about when they hang out, right?

What are they talking about?

The snake, Tio?

What?

The weird stuff?

It depends on what time you hang out. If it's 1 AM, it's the story of the prophets.

Oh, I see.

1 AM.

You've never hang out, right? I've never.

I've never.

What do you talk about when you hang out with your friends? Friends? I've never. I don't know why I'm not in the mood. I'll tell you what's normal when we hang out. So you can imagine when you're invited to talk. We hang out with our friends. The complex guys. We usually talk about...

daily life. How are you doing? Then suddenly, one thing came up. And we started to talk about politics. Have you got the coffee? Yes.

Have you got the fire engine? Yes. Then suddenly there's a statue that explodes, and at the end, we start discussing politics. Okay, the coffee is out?

Yes, it's out. The fire engine is here?

Yes, the fire engine is here. Then? We start discussing politics. We discuss politics, I'm getting tired. We start discussing whether the earth is flat or round.

Oh my God.

Later, it's getting dark, we start talking about religion. The story of the Prophet first, the bridging. People are usually like that, Dit. Okay. If my wife is there, and I'm next to her, it's confusing. Right. Right, because you can't get in.

Not many people like politics. Right. My wife never discuss politics. But we need that moment. When you're with your friends, you get charged up. you feel the energy?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Actually, my friends are just like that. If you see them often, they're just like that. I know a lot of them, but I decided to hang out with my friends who I feel comfortable with. So, if you ask me if I feel the energy, I meet a lot of people. If I meet my friends who I feel comfortable with. So, if you ask me if I charge my phone,

I meet a lot of people. If I meet my friends whom I like, yes. But if I meet my friends whom I know, I don't charge my phone there. That's why I still need my own time, like coffee. Because my question is that.

I see you, go out on Sunday, with your Porsche. You meet people who also had a Porsche, right? You met at a place, right? You're both in a Porsche club, right?

What did you do?

We talked.

What did you talk about?

We talked about...

As much as humans talk. You were talking about cars, right? And you arrived in the car. I imagined, what did I do? what am I doing? What am I doing?

Becoming a social being. That's it. Why am I like that? I sometimes feel that I need an agenda, I need a specific intention. That's my question. This is what I see, Din.

Actually, friends who hang out once a week, I don't hang out once a week, maybe once a month, once every two months. There is a moment when I feel like I'm too unsourceful. Because there is always a hangout invitation. And my weakness is I don't't like to reply to chat. Whoever chats me, maybe, what is it,

they realize that I reply to chat for a long time. And I don't like to reply to chat. I prefer to answer the phone, but if it's chat, I reply to chat for 3-4 days. Okay, I think that's also... Nowadays, people rarely like to be called directly, right?

There are a lot of people, right?

Yes, but if you have to choose, if there is an urgent call, it's better to call urgently. Then? There are quite a lot of hanging out. Sometimes there is a point where I refuse. I have refused many times.

There are moments when I say, okay, I'll join you. It's more about socialization for that. To maintain the relationship. To maintain the relationship. I prefer that. But for hanging out, playing together,

my friends are just that.

Okay.

And that's mostly, I'm close with my business partners. Finally, we filter, I choose what I want to partner with people I like too. And I'm comfortable with. Okay, so we play, that's it. Okay, maybe one day I'll try to hang out without Agenda. But it has to be with the right person.

Yes, it has to be with the person you like too. Sometimes, I met someone yesterday, and I was asked to talk to other friends. But when I talk a little, I'm judging them. I was like, what should I do? I was like, how can you know that I'm talking to someone? There's always someone like that.

I think that's one of the reasons why I don't hang out with them. Because I think in every friendship, there's always a drama. Suddenly, this person fights with someone else, and suddenly that person... That's what I decided to do. I decided to play with my friends, small circle, no drama. Or the one who is not confident, sometimes hanging out,

then suddenly he tells that, I just got this much money, this project, I was like,

Oh, what's wrong?

Suddenly, I'm done with this general. Yes, you often meet him, right? There are many like that. And I'm really tired of hearing it. So, if I... Because I rarely hang out.

This is why I like to make stand-up shows. I tell the story there, sir. I tell the story there. I read the story of people there. Because they write it when I was on the show. So that's why I'm so desperate.

Break for two months, make it again, make it again. Because you always want to know people's problems, right? In the middle of the show, yes. So actually it's the same, you skip avoiding hanging out with people because they like to talk nonsense. But you want to know people's problems.

That's right. He told it himself. Why are there so many memes about that? Like men don't tell stories. Why? I think because men are used to it. The stereotype is that the leader is like... What is it called?

Looks like a girl, weak when I tell a story. Maybe the stereotype is like that. But I see it like, sometimes we don't want to share the burden. So, there are things that I can handle myself and I can face it myself. But it's like a portrait of a man from the old days, right? Like going home after sweating or all kinds of things. I don't want to tell my problem, it's like the old-fashioned portrait of men. Like, going home, sweating, and all that.

I don't want to tell my problem, it's my problem. I don't want to burden my family with this. But when we don't tell my wife, she wants to burden us by having to tell. Isn't that what a wife is? Why are you so quiet? Why are you so quiet?

Isn't that what a wife is? Why are you so quiet? So that she won't tell us. So that we won't burden her, but she will burden us.

So that she will tell us.

What movie are you watching, Dit? I'm watching my own movie. That's my life. But that's why I always need my own moment to relax and have a cup of coffee. That's why I always need my own moment to be full and drink coffee, because of that.

Okay, okay.

Tips, tips, tips to be full of coffee with fun, and good, good and right. I don't know if it will work for others. But I prefer to be full, contemplate alone. And it's really good, I don't know why, it's good to wake up and sleep. So, usually I wake up and sleep, the kids are at school, and when they haven't started their activities,

I go to the front, like before, to see the fish, or go to the next stall. I think the moment of waking up in the morning is the most appropriate. Like, the brain is still fresh, you can contemplate, you can think of something. So I think it's more to the tips, the tips are in my opinion, just be alone. Alone, at the right time, which is morning for you. At a peaceful moment.

You try the store next to my house, it's peaceful. They say the content is political. Different, different from you.

Oh, it depends on you. It also depends on of you. Oh, it's different for each of you.

It depends on the circle. Oh, so you have to choose the right one. Choose the right one.

Right?

It's peaceful. Otherwise, it's a mess.

Right?

Right.

But, Rif, thank you for coming again. It's so fun. It's been a long time since we last met. The last time we met was with Alid and Bena, it was also reminiscing the old days. Now our paths have separated, each of us has his own business, we meet less and less. At most I can only see you on IG. So good luck to everyone, hopefully we can catch up again.

Thank you Rif. Thank you Rif. Thank you Dede.