BANTAH TUDUHAN HELWA?! ISTRI PERTAMA HABIB BAHAR KASIH BUKTI!!

If we're talking about religion, is it true that a wife should choose?

A married husband doesn't have to ask for permission.

Oh really?

Yes.

If you're married, you don't have to ask for your first wife's permission?

You can. There's a photo of you holding hands, even though you're not married yet. Well, that's...

From Habib himself, what do you think? Is he bothered by the news?

Of course he's bothered. The news is amazing. Did it bother you? Of course it did. It was a great hit. Social media is a great hit. What motivated Helwa to cry and tell all of this? She will make Habib viral. Just wait for the 15th. I will make Habib viral, make him fall, make him break.

From the story, he ate until he used sweet tea. Actually, the fridge was always full. They said they were used to eating rice and tea. They didn't want to cook. I made him like a queen. He did whatever I told him to.

He's still Habib's wife. How could he say that Habib is a condom smuggler? I can report it to him. Assalamualaikum, Kak Fadlun. Waalaikumsalam.

Good evening.

Good evening.

I'll give a disclaimer first. So I don't hate you at all. Helwa and her mother came yesterday. As a media, I gave them a big space. Even before the broadcast, I talked to my team. Please contact Habib Harnia.

Before the broadcast, if possible, both of them have given a clarification so as not to make a fuss. But it turns out that it can only be connected now. I thank you for coming here. And I am not on anyone's side. I give the same space for clarification.

Before we get started, let's get to know each other.

Fadul is...

My first wife.

Your first wife. From Habib Bahar bin Smith. And this one?

As his student.

My student.

Oh, his student. He's the one who takes care of the house. The house?

The mansion. The one who took care of the house. The house? Helwah. From the first time she got married until she was 8 months old.

She lived there too? Yes. So she was the one who followed you. Yes. Fadlun, the first wife. Where did you live?

I lived in Pondok, Santren, Tajulawawin.

Oh, okay. How far from here?

It's quite far. To this place. Where?

Which area?

Parung Gogor. Kemang. Oh, in Bogor.

Pabuaran.

Okay, Habib is also there. Because the Pondok Pesantren is there.

Okay.

Kavadun, do you want to tell the story first or should I ask?

Just ask, Doc. I'm just asking. Does Kavadrun know that Habib married Helwa? He knows. He knows.

Do you allow him to marry her?

The situation was not good at that time.

Oh, okay.

Can I hear the story from Kavadrun? It's more personal. At that time, there was a problem. It was quite a heavy problem. I had to break up with my husband. So, I just heard about it.

Someone from his family DMed me on TikTok. They said he was married to Bahmid Helwa. That's all I heard.

Okay, but at that time, you were not in a good relationship. How long have you been married to Habib?

13 years. I have four children. Oh, four children. When you were still dating, Habib got married. If I may know, how many wives did Habib have?

Three. After me, there was the second one from Kalimantan.

Okay, so one from Kavadun. The second one?

From Kalimantan, Pontianak. The third one? Pontianak.

The third one?

Helwa, the last one. Okay. I confirm that Helwa is the last one. I want to make it clear. So, at that time, Habib was having an affair with his second wife. Me and this Kalimantan woman.

Okay.

So, maybe he misunderstood. He thought that the second one was just married after him. Even though she was the last one.

Oh, okay. He thought that Kalimantan was the last one. His new wife.

But no. Before Helwa, Habib already had the second wife. The one who was pregnant, if I'm not mistaken.

That was actually the second wife. But you knew. I knew everything.

I knew everything from Habib's wedding. But, you know everything. I know everything.

I know everything about him.

And you have permission. Except for the fact that you're married. Yes, I'm married. If I may, I don't know you personally, but I know you by the word of love.

What is Habib Smith like?

What is Habib Bahar like? Habib Bahar is a man who isar was never harsh or soft with his wife. He was responsible, even though he was a preacher. Sometimes he was, sometimes he wasn't. But he still tried his best, until his wife said, that's enough.

He was a responsible husband. I'm sorry, but you said that you had a rough relationship. If I'm not mistaken, you were involved in a case. If I'm not mistaken, I'm just reading this. I'm not following this. Yes, that's right.

There was a case of KDRT. Who was involved?

The man who seduced his wife. The one from before.

Okay.

So, Habib had a wife before. Before Fadlun? No, I've been married for a long time. After that, I was married.

Oh, you were married to someone else?

So, someone seduced him.

Seduced his wife?

So?

So, as a husband, it's normal. I mean, maybe he's rude. But not to his wife. Not at all.

Oh, to the one who bothered his wife? Yes, that's right. That's the case of the KDRT yesterday. I'm sorry, I didn't copy it.

There was never a KDRT.

And his wife was divorced?

Divorced. Okay. I've been to the ERT. And your wife was divorced? Yes.

Okay. So you've been married four times. One was with Fadlun, and the other... Is this the second or the third?

Which one?

The one you divorced.

That... This is the second one, the one in Kalimantan. The one I divorced was a long time ago. A long time ago? But after Fadlun. Kak Fadlun is a mother. She's said to be the most loved.

Maybe because, from zero, my journey with Habib started from zero. Really?

From zero. Can you tell us a little?

I used to live in Bintaro. Habib's situation was not like now. It was still a mess. The prayer was still from village to village. So the process was quite difficult. But I enjoyed it.

Oh, you enjoyed it?

I enjoyed it. I lived in a flat. So it was from scratch. You I was really there for him. You accompanied him? I did.

Okay.

Even when he was in jail, I was there for him. I was there to support him. Because he was my husband, I had to support him.

And when Habib was in jail, and when there was a case, you accompanied him? I did.

I accompanied him to Nusa Kambangan.

Okay. You didn't leave him alone at all?

Alhamdulillah, Allah gave me the strength to accompany Habib.

Okay, so you were really good to him. There was no problem?

Alhamdulillah.

He was released from prison. Did he get out of jail again? He didn't get out of jail. Did you ever feel like you were being chased away from the show? I don't think so. I mean, people started to recognize me. That's how Habib's character is. Maybe a lot of people think that Habib is rough and all. But actually, he's just a person who is just being cast aside. And that's how he is.

Nahimungkar, and Mahmoud Nahimungkar. Okay. That's how we do it. We bow to the Lord and to the Holy Spirit.

Okay.

It's hard to do it on stage. But not at home?

No. You can ask the monks. We eat together with the monks. Okay. I'll ask.

How is it, Habib, for example, for the daily routine?

In Pondok, we eat together.

It's good.

They are attentive.

If there's anything, they always ask. Have you eaten yet?

They ask all kinds of questions.

Okay.

So, they are good people. Can I ask you something? Why did Habib, I'm sorry if you're with Fadun from the bottom, but why did Habib choose to remarry?

Well, he's the one who chose to remarry. But I told Habib, if you remarry, be careful. We don't know, If I get married again, I'll be careful. I'm afraid that I might get a woman who can make me fall. I've been through that. I don't know if I'll fall for Habib now.

But maybe he has his own understanding. Polygamy is halal. Maybe. I'm just thankful that I'm a Muslim. If I were to follow my destiny, I would have to be polygamous.

Okay, but there's no story from Habib about why he wanted to find another woman.

No.

No. Let's go back to Helwa.

Helwa was married to a Syrian woman.

Is that true?

It's true. He married a Syrian woman. Is that true? Yes. But the wedding was quite luxurious, from what I saw. So Habib respected her. He respected her, her family. He made a big event. He held her hand at a villa. He made her happy.

What do you want to deny from from the brightness of the Holy Spirit? This is the story of the wedding. From the acquaintance, giving flowers, and also, I'm sorry,

there is a photo that is not a muhrim, but holding hands, but it hasn't happened yet. I don't want to discuss that, Dok, so I don't know about the photo, so I don't have to know about the photo. So I can't discuss it.

Okay. Then, suddenly there was a wedding. The wedding, according to the story of Helwa, they said that the phone was all stolen. There was not a single photo. She also got the photo from someone else.

And it was promised that the promised to be a real marriage, but it turned out to be just a piece of paper and a wedding ring. What about the explanation from Habib himself?

The one who was accused of having a handphone was someone else, a guest, who had no connection to the family. The proof is that the family all had a photo, all of them were holding their handphones. So, well,, some of them took photos, but no one was reported. Maybe the ones who were reported were other guests.

Why were they reported?

Maybe because Haby didn't want to spread the news yet. It turned out that the photos of the other weddings had already been spread.

Okay.

So, it wasn't not like what was told?

No. I contacted the person who attended the wedding. There was no cell phone.

No cell phone. When you first heard that Habib was getting married, what was your reaction?

My reaction was, well, I'm a human too, so, I was a bit sad, of course. So what can I do? I was a bit sad, but I had to go through it. And when did you get back together? Not long after we got married.

Wow, you're amazing.

Poor kids. And I thought, well, this is not a new one. He was married before, and I was still with him. So now it's not a problem anymore.

Not a problem anymore. If Habib has more than one wife, what about Habib's behavior towards Padud?

Oh yes, that's the? I want to explain the issue of time. He said that he didn't have enough time. Actually, I don't have enough time either. I understand that he was a preacher. He didn't have time to spend with his wife. Sometimes he had to give sermons outside the city, so I can spend my time with her.

And it's the same for me. I understand. I knew from the beginning that I was a pedagogue. I had to be able to understand as a wife.

I'm not a pedagogue, and I've never been a pedagogue. Can you tell us how it's like to be a pedagogue's wife?

You have to be mentally prepared. Oh yeah? You have to be prepared.

How?

Well, especially for a priest, there are a lot of... well, people say it's problematic. So you have to be prepared with all those accusations, your mental state, and also the way you talk to people. Actually, it's not like that.

I'm a good person. I'm also tired of giving sermons. I'm tired of going to many places. I have to be ready.

That's a mental thing. What about the time? Do you rarely meet?

Sometimes, I'm already asleep.

Oh, okay.

I'm already asleep.

Habib is also blocked because of his sermon, right? I'll give a disclaimer first. Actually, we had an appointment this afternoon.

We were supposed to meet. Yes, that's right. I had a chat with Habib. I was talking with Habib. I was thinking my plane was at 16 Habib earlier. I thought my flight was at 4. I thought my flight was at 10 AM, but it was 4 PM.

We had agreed to meet at 3 PM. But tonight, Habib is in the middle of his sermon.

Is Habib okay?

Alhamdulillah. How do you feel about this issue? I forgot to ask. I forgot to ask the first question. I feel really sorry and disappointed with the news of this kind of disaster. I mean, Habib has been through so much.

I often ask Habib about his car. Where is the other car? But Habib is like, it's in the workshop. But it was put in the electricity place. So that he can keep his feelings. Like that.

What else besides that from Habib?

There are also the words of Mukondo. He said, Habib Mokondo, even though it's not true at all. Habib still transfers money, three times a month, although the nominal amount is not much.

But there is a responsibility of Habib as a husband. Sometimes the food is shared with the family. I want to explain about the rice with tea incident. On the 14th, the food was almost transferred. On the 17th, he sent a photo of the rice with tea. He said there was no food.

Logically, when the food was just transferred, why was there no food?

Okay, I will go deeper and more detailed about the problem of the transfer and what was given. So that the audience is satisfied. But from Habib himself, what do you feel? Are you disturbed or not by the news?

Disturbed, of course. The rumors are amazing. The social media is terrible.

Have you contacted Helwa yourself? Not yet. Not yet?

Not yet. Because they were the last ones to contact him. They took a photo of him. He had sold everything. That was the last time they contacted him.

Okay. I want to talk to Alwi first. Alwi was the one who accompanied you? He accompanied me from the first wedding. From the first wedding?

From the first wedding until the eighth month. Why did you ask him to accompany you there? Because he didn't have much time. He had to go to the sermon. So I asked him to take care of him there. Okay, I want to clarify this.

I asked Helwa yesterday. You live together at home? Yes, you live to clarify something. I asked Helwa yesterday, you said you live together, but actually you live in three houses. Yes, in three houses. Four. The first one is with my friend. A priest. Yes, a priest. He drives a car.

He can drive a car, so he left his car there with Habib. After that, he went home for three months. Because he had work to do. Since no one drove the car, he took it to the condominium. So, whenever they went anywhere, the car was always there.

Oh, there was a car there. What was the car?

Pajero.

Pajero Sport?

Yes.

Okay, and you lived there's a car there. What car is it? Pajero. Pajero Sport? Yes. Okay, and you live there?

I live there.

How is your daily life at home? Is it like what Helwa told you, Alwi?

They're actually on the second floor. I'm downstairs. So, in the daily life, they just play with their phones, sleep. I'm the one who cleaned the floor. I washed the dishes and everything. When the food was ready, my mother came down. When it was done, I was taken upstairs.

I rarely came down. You rarely came down?

I rarely came down.

Okay.

Was life really that hard?

It was's hard.

I mean, from the story, he eats until he uses sweet tea. Actually, the fridge is always full with cooking ingredients or all kinds of things. It's just because of them. They also said that they are used to eating rice and tea. They are actually to eating rice and tea. They are lazy to cook. Oh, the fridge is full, but they are lazy to cook and eat rice and tea.

But actually the fridge is full. Sometimes, the food is taken out of the fridge first, then they take a picture and send it to the Prophet. This is all the food, like this, this, this. Even though it was only three days ago that Habib sent it.

Okay. You can answer that clarification, right? Yes. Okay.

So, Habib rarely came to Indonesia? When I first got married, he came often. Until a few months later, he often came to Indonesia. How often is that? Sometimes I stay there for two days.

Okay.

And also sometimes I go home, come home at night, go home in the afternoon.

That's a few months, after that, I go there once a week, sometimes once every three days.

Oh, often? Why is it a bit different from your explanation? Sometimes once a week, sometimes once every three days.

Oh, that's quite often. How come it's a bit different from the Helluwa explanation? That's why I'm confused. The Helluwa explanation is very rare, it never happens and it's only used for sexual relations.

I'm sorry, I want to interrupt you. The problem with being pregnant, Habib was even sent to the hospital for a check-up. I want to ask you something. When he was pregnant, did you give him any control? I mean, did you give him any guidance? Did you ever tell him to do something? No.

Did you keep him company? Maybe you just didn't give him enough time. I feel the same for me. It's normal, you know. Habib is a preacher, and there are other saints that need to be taken care of. It's only been a year since he got married, but he's not ready to know his family. Family is a big deal.

I mean, don't just keep on being nice. You have to understand Habib's condition. Habib has a history of illness. He said he didn't know if it was a lie or not. I was the one who took care of him. Habib was in the womb at that time.

What illness did Habib have?

Habib had a lung and a lung. What illness did Habib have? Habib had a lung and lung disease.

What kind of disease did his lung have?

He had a phlegm.

He had a phlegm.

So at that time, when he was born, maybe he was on the phone, because people were sick. His mother-in-law, Hela, Habib's aunt, was already on standby there. She took care of all the needs,

accompanied him from birth. From him at home, he was already in good health until he was accompanied at birth. Then Habib was called. Well, he couldn't pick up the phone because he was in the toilet. After he was done in the toilet, Habib went straight to the hospital. Immediately, even though it was only for a time, because Habib had another sermon. In your opinion, if it's not like what was told, what was Helwa's motivation to cry and tell all of this?

I think it was more like this, because from the beginning, she felt that Habib had told her that he had no wife. He didn't have a wife and she was the only one. She actually demanding that. He doesn't accept it. He wants to spend time with Habib. Because Habib was on the roof for a few days and his mother called him.

She's pushing him to go there. So he wants Habib to go there. He doesn't understand that problem.

If it's a problem, what does Habib promise to Helwa?

No, Habib doesn't promise anything. Habib always says that if you marry a preacher, I had to be patient. That's how it was for me.

I have a question. Is it hard to meet Habib when you're married to a preacher?

What do you mean?

How often do you meet Habib?

Now, because Habib is not well, I see him more often. Because I take care of him.

You see him more often. If Habib is well.

Yes, it's really hard for me to see him. I rarely see his father. But, Alhamdulillah, the children understand. Father is a preacher. When his father comes home, the children went to bed. Especially back then, the schedule was tight.

One day, we could go to 7 places.

Even 17 places. Up to 17 places?

Yes, and the story would continue. One night? One night.

But this is a question for me. I also work. I work day and night, and my work is quite busy. But I always make time for my family. Because for me, work is a form of worship. My family is also a form of worship.

If I'm not right, for example, if I'm a pundakwa, I worship with people, I belong to people, but I also belong to my wife and my wife and my children are also my worship. It should be like that.

Yes, but Habib still spends time with his children. Later, Alia will go on a trip, still spending time. With Kak Fadlul?'re on the road. We're still taking our time. With Fadl? With all the kids. What about the other wife? I think it's Habib.

I know that Habib has been gone for 3 days. With his wife. I understand.

You understand?

I understand. He must be asked to go out. It's impossible to be asked to go out for a year. It's impossible. He must have been happy. This is the witness.

He was asked to go to the mall.

So, it's the same with Helwa?

It's the same.

It's the same. He often goes out.

But why is the explanation different?

Right, here...

I took a shower with Habib. Habib is HBS.

It was a beautiful beach, but he didn't have time. I'm sorry, I'm confused. It's not honeymoon. He's pregnant. He's been married for a few months.

Is this a post by Fadlun?

Yes. I told Habib when this news came out, I told Habib, please send all the photos of what Habib had done, like going out with his wife, send them all to me, so I can be here, all of them. Okay, and this is the second slide. Hi guys, I want to eat nasi paket first. I'm sad because I never accompanied my husband.

I want to ask, this is the third slide, terrace house while eating yellow rice, eh, wrong, tea rice. Okay, as the first wife, why did you choose to post this? Why didn't you come and then you accepted everyone as your first wife. To be honest, I'm a human being. I have a feeling that I can't accept it. Even though I accepted this marriage, I still don't want to meet them. I don't want to deal with them.

Including those in Kalimantan? In Kalimantan, thank God, there is communication. For the people in Hawaii, you never had a relationship? And you didn't want to deal with them? No. From the beginning?

From the beginning.

Oh, you didn't have to raise them as your younger siblings? I don't know. Sometimes I don't like people. I didn't like them when I first met them. There are other wives, but I'm fine. I'm just fine.

Which one?

The one before.

Oh, the one who was busy?

I mean, I'm still fine. I can still be fine. But I don't know why this one. It's just not exciting enough. I see it's not good enough. Okay, and when this problem happens, do you prefer to give a statement on social media than to accept it? I deliberately gave a statement like this because he he was too much in his life.

He gave slanderous statements that he spread to his husband, who was still his husband. No matter what, he was still Habib's wife. How could he say that Habib was a nimo kondo, that he was a slanderer,. He never taught him about religion. Habib was once angry. Habib was angry.

This was the beginning of the conflict between Habib and Helwa. So, when he was pregnant, he went out to meet an artist. He didn't use any formalities. Habib was angry. He was advised many times, if he wanted to go out or meet anyone, it was up to him.

The important thing was to wear hijab. From there, Habib started to be less advised, but he didn't listen.

Okay. This problem went viral. There was a complaint from Habib's wife.

What is Habib's wife. What are your own steps? Actually, Habib... I'm the one who's angry here, Doc. I mean, I wanted to report it. Report the false news. Habib said, don't.

Because, what can we do? We have a child. It's okay, my child will take care of it. I told him, if it's about the child, I can take care of the child. There's no need to worry about it. The important thing is, people have to be taught.

He has already lost his good name, Habib. This person even insulted the whole of Indonesia, even though he doesn't know anything, doesn't know what the story is like. I'm not a scholar. So any or I'm something who just at the Indonesian who's at a bit paddle not a papa I got a cheery time separate a pocket. Okay, but he did he young so ka-kak. But look at all the rehab if you're so dirty Habib, let me come and I'm inside But a long castle and you know, there he had a bag and my papa

Indian member bikin datang mencheri hell wah to come and find the solution, to embrace him or to divorce him? Of course, to divorce him.

He said he wanted to be divorced, right? He said he would divorce him.

Oh, Habib also wanted to divorce for his own sake.

Yes, he did.

Okay. I want to get into the core of the problem. According to Helwa, Habib doesn't pay for their lives.

You said you brought evidence here. Yes, I did.

Please show it to us.

I'm sorry, Doc.

Wow, it's thick.

So, this is...

There's a lot. So, this is... There's a lot of transactions. Although people always say, well, this is the monthly payment, they say it's like that. Okay. Well, here, Habib is not only via transfer, via cash too, and more often via cash.

So maybe we don't know there will be an incident like this, maybe we can take a picture when we transfer handing out money.

It's a bit weird, if you give your wife a picture.

That's why we pay more to the cashier.

But we can't talk to the cashier either, right? Let's just see the transfer first. Hai Riah.

That's her mother. Al-Katiri is her mother. This is on the 9th of January. One million. That's random mother. Al-Katiri is the mother. This is on the 9th of January, 1 million. That's random, Doc. Just look at the date.

This is Helwa Putri, the fund, 500,000. This is Helwa Putri, 1 million as well, virtual account. This is Khairiah Al-Katiri, the mother. On the 12th of month, 5 million. Okay, 11th month, the mother also 2 million. 11th month.

17th, 17th.

17th. This is the same date, right?

Oh yes, I think so. The photocopy is double.

The same date. Wait a minute. 5 million. And this is BRI. 1 million. 11th.

Let's see the other ones too.

Okay. Oh, there's more. Okay, thank you there's more. Thank you. 2 million. 500 thousand. 1 million. January 1st.

Okay. Muhammad Sultan bin Fawzi.

That's his younger brother.

His younger brother?

His younger brother who is in college, in Manado.

Oh.

For college.

Okay. 2 million in interest. 9 million in month. 3 million in month. 1 million. 6 million in month.

1 million.

6 million in month. 1 million. One million, six months, one million, six months, one million, this is 200,000. Okay.

This is self-employed, medical, local, Bogor. This is a hospital, okay. I'll leave this out, because if it's a hospital, it should be taken care of by the husband. This is the one that my husband is in charge of. This is March, 5 million. March too, March 18. This is the same, 5 million. This is the hospital bill.

This is March 25, 2 million. 2 million. This is the same.

Repeat. That's not the cash, right?

Yes. Okay. What about this one?

That's when I joined Habib Cerama.

Who is this?

Helwa.

Oh, okay.

I mean, there's a picture of food because he said there was no food at all. So, he sent it. He likes to send it. This is eating. The position food at all. So he sent it. He sent it to us, that we were eating. The position was at his house.

I will show you the proof.

He sent everything to the Prophet.

This is...

That's the house he was placed in. This is the house he was placed in. That's right.

The palace that God left behind.

I forgot.

That's Habib's mother.

This?

That's when he went to the salon.

Okay. How can you have the photo?

Well, everything is taken by me and sent to Habib.

Oh, okay.

That's all from Habib.

So you communicate often?

Often.

Habib usually sends food, he says this is for the baby, this is for the checkup. Everything is there.

Okay.

What photo is this?

That's a photo with my family. We were at the villa.

Oh, you were at the villa.

Okay.

This is when we were out.

I don't know where this is. Mini park. Mini park, okay. Okay. This is when he was walking. I don't know where this is. Taman Mini. When was this, sis?

That was a few months ago. And this? The same. He was walking. That was in Pulau Seribu.

Oh, in Pulau Seribu. Okay.

This?

I think that was at his house. He was about to leave for a sermon.

Okay.

That's the same picture.

Okay, this is the picture.

This is when he was praying.

But after that, he left early in the morning. And until now, you haven't seen him again? We have. We've seen him three timesib found it three times. Oh, three times.

But it was still visible.

Okay, this is?

When we were on the road. On the road.

Okay, so according to you, it's not consistent with...

It's very far from the fact.

Okay, and what's the motivation?

But before he went viral, before he came to my place, did he communicate with Habib?

No.

He only said that he would make Habib go viral. He said before, just wait until the 15th, I will make it viral, and make it go viral. Why?

I don't know the reason.

But he said that.

Because he didn't accept it. There are a lot of things like what was said in the podcast. The things he said, not being paid, and all that. That's not enough for him. He thinks that's not enough. So he made a statement that he never received any income,

he only came once, he was given only 300,000.

Okay.

What do you think is the right thing to do from Helwa's explanation at that time? What? Maybe when Habib said he had no wife, that's all.

That's right.

Other than that, you didn't have time?

No, I still accompanied him. I had time for him. Even though he may think it's not enough, I feel the same. But still, Habib gave me his time, his love for him.

Okay. Did you sell things for personal needs and for the needs of his children?

That was when he wanted to leave the house. He sold all of his belongings.

Okay.

So, according to you and Alwi, Habib is a responsible person.

He is very responsible.

I still don't understand. There is very responsible. I still miss one thing. What is it? Because this is not a small thing to open this up. Especially since this is my own husband.

Yes.

And it's a big deal. If my wife talks, there must be a very painful pain that my wife felt.

She had to be on the podcast and tell her about my bad habits and bad habits. I don't know the motive. The point is, she didn't accept that Habib's time was short with her. Maybe she felt that she didn't get the benefits that were given to her. That's the motive. People have different characters.

Maybe the character is like this, impatient, not difficult. Maybe there's a doctrine from his mother to make Habi viral. But, I'm sorry,

he said he was hypnotized when he could suddenly accept it. Before that, he had been advised by his family. No matter what, if Habib and Fadlun want to fight, they will fight back. That's what his family said. So, it's better not to.

Oh, there was a previous advice like that?

But he said, no, Habib, this won't work. So he wanted to do it himself. Even when he got married one day before the wedding, he bought his own wedding dress. One day. So there was no compulsion here. Habib even said, if the family didn't approve or accept it, it's okay, it's okay if it doesn't get married.

But his mother, his mother even said that she blocked the family that was against him, so that the marriage of his child would not be disturbed.

Okay.

Did Habib promise to make a care of the animals for Umroh. That's funny.

It was just a conversation between Habib's aunt and Habib. Umri was just back from Umroh. Umri told him. He was sitting with his in-laws. Umri told him, I want to go to Umroh again. Habib said, okay, God willing, if Umri is not there,

I will go to Umrah again. So Habib said, if Umi goes to Umrah again, he will invite his mother-in-law. But in this context, it was just a conversation,

just a casual conversation. It was not a promise that was really needed to be fulfilled. It was just a conversation. And Umi had't left yet.

Okay.

Okay.

Alwi, was this house contracted or bought for you?

Contracted.

Contracted for you.

35 million for a year.

35 million for a year?

Okay.

He said on the podcast, it's a corner house, but it open can be a belong the podcast to Call the pojoco mojo come on. Gaga love it. Oh, yeah, he's happy must eat Don't need to lampunya. You're a bunny to the room

Who made a lamp?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah DJ got a little pot young. Okay I'll be bullying a tree time. Kada and the room my to baggy man. I think I'm a so young Okay. He makes coffee. He often makes coffee, but sometimes he doesn't. He cooks for his mother. When Habib comes home, Helwah comes home, he says, Helwah cooks.

When he makes coffee, the kids make it, and he says, Helwah makes it.

Okay.

What else do you want to tell us? I made him look like a queen.

Who did you make him look like a queen?

Helwah.

By whom?

By me. Because he would call me from the second floor, Awie, make me fried eggs. Awie, get me a drink. He would tell me anything. He never wanted to go down and get it himself.

I once saw him throwing away trash. He called a priest from Pondok to throw away the trash. So he called Pondok to do the same. I don't know if that was his position. Awi, you went back to Pondok after 8 months, right? Yes, I did. Alwi was back in Pondok after 8 months. Pondok. He was exhausted.

So he called Santri and told him to come and throw the trash away. Buy gas. He called from here, from Pondok. Did you do it?

Yes.

You didn't beat up the KOO? They were watching Habib.

I said it wrong.

I was being mocked, why did I say it wrong?

Because I'm not looking at his wife or his mother, I'm looking at the Prophet.

Because the Prophet is my teacher.

Oh, like that. Okay, I don't want to debate this issue. We have our own views. The issue of the saint and this. Often, but the our own views about the issue of Santri and so on It's often, but Habib, how often do you go there?

Often

Very often?

Very often If it's the rarest?

Once a week

The rarest is once a week?

Yes

Wow, it's very different from the story

But when I go here and there, it's a bit rare

Oh, it's a bit rare

Because there's a conflict. I don't want to see the actors. Because Habib is upset. At home, he only wears hijab. When he goes out, he never wears hijab. When he goes out, he never wears hijab.

Rarely. This is viral.

I forbid my heart to another woman. That was in the past. But, I don't know, maybe Habib still has the same feelings as I do. Well, I'm just following him. We were together. We were fighting together.

We talked about it a few years ago. That was when Habib was in prison in 2019. After he was released from prison? No, he was in the trial. He was in the trial? He was in the rest room.

He said that?

Yes. Habib likes to be a poet. He said that? Yes. I like to be a good girl. I'm a good girl.

I forbid you to do that?

No, that's just a word.

But why did you marry another girl? If you forbid her?

Maybe I have a different opinion. I think it's okay to marry. It's halal. I'm okay do it. What for, if your heart is already for the bride? Sometimes, for the marriage,

some people ask to be married. They want to help. Some people say, why do we have to be a girl? There are a lot of people out there who are like that. Here, Habib is willing to get married because he told his sadness before. He said his family was not good to them since his father passed away.

He told his sadness. He said, I eating rice and tea, but Habib is not. He's actually there. Poor him. Habib also talked to me.

But you don't have to get married. There are many people who come here and talk about that. If I get married, I'm done.

Maybe the position is that we like each other.

What do you think?

Okay. We like each other, why do we have to be like this?

It's halal.

So, you like him too?

We like each other, that's why we got married.

Even though you said that it's haram.

I think that's still love for me.

How do you feel now? When you first knew, were you angry with Habib? Or were you angry? I'm grateful for you.

No, I said this is what I was afraid of from the start. Habib is sometimes... He's a bit of a snooze. I mean, Habib never had a look at women. There are a lot of people who come to me and ask to marry me.

Oh really?

Yes, a lot. I was the one who accepted. Maybe they didn't know I was Habib's wife. I waited until the day came and I asked. Really? Yes, I asked to marry him.

That's cool.

Habib's mom chased me with a samurai sword. I was so mad.

Did he ask you to marry him?

He asked me to marry him.

Did he register?

Habib, in my heart, sometimes he asks me to marry him.

Why?

I don't know why. I'm confused. The woman herself wants to.

I suddenly realized, in my mind, if for example, my knowledge is very limited, so please don't say that. I'm sorry if I'm stupid. It's not wrong to look for a second or third wife. Polygamy is allowed in Islam. But it's not because of the wife's permission and the first wife who chooses.

Is that right? That's a different story. For me, I don't care if the Prophet wants to. I mean, from the perspective of a woman who has been exposed, I don't care.

But from the perspective of religion, is it better? Isn't it true that a wife should choose? The first wife should choose.

There are people like that. But in a marriage, a husband and wife, without a wife's permission, without having to ask for permission, it's okay.

Oh really?

Yes.

It's not that you have to have a wife's permission first?

No, not really. If the wife's intention is to be together, so that it's also true, the second wife, the third wife, I mean nationally, maybe it can be.

Wow, that means it's really dangerous. If we are Muslim, I'm sorry, I'm learning this. If we're married, we don't need to get our first wife's permission.

You mean without permission, but it's better to ask for permission from your wife?

But if you don't have permission, you can do it.

Oh, no problem.

If you don't have permission to marry another woman, you can't get your first wife's permission. It's still valid, right? It's still valid. It's still valid. It's not like we have to find a wife for our first wife. That's not it.

That's not it. It's not necessary. That means there was a discussion at the beginning. What about the actual knowledge, sis? I don't understand that, but as far as I know, without permission, it's okay. Can we talk to Habib? If from the phone, is it allowed?

Maybe the position is more comfortable.

Is Habib angry with me?

No, Habib. That's why I said the doctor must meet Habib. He's a cool guy. Humble. I didn't even go to jail. I met people who only watch Habib's YouTube. It was a different kind of meeting. I think, thank God, I was able to get rid of a lot of things that Habib did. A lot of things that, when there's a difference in religion with Habib, Habib makes ways for them to celebrate,

like Christmas or other days, Habib wants them to try. So there are no such things as Habib, arrogance and all that.

There is no such thing.

Okay, I want to get to know you better. You don't know my words. I will give you a special invitation to talk more about Habib. Lastly, if you meet Helwa, what do you want to say to him? For me? I want him not to be found.

What if you meet him? We call him Helwa. Like a black and white transsexual.

I don't think this podcast will be aired.

Yeah, it's morning, Ambiar. We call him our guest.

But honestly, I'm a bit upset.

Honestly.

With Helwa or me?

With Helwa. I'm disappointed with his statement. It's amazing that even call his name. He didn't even call his name. He didn't even say his name. He was so rude.

Maybe I remember one thing. Your son is 3 months old. Whatever it is, he could have the baby blues syndrome.

I don't understand. I don't understand. But, what can happen if you have baby blues syndrome?

I don't understand. I don't understand.

Everyone has different psychological condition. Maybe, the health wise, I don't know. We just have to be careful. People can have baby blues syndrome.

Isn't it better if, for example, Habib or Fadlun come to intercede? Maybe later after this, there will be a discussion. Because no matter what, he is Habib's son. Oh, I want to clarify one thing, so that it won't be a slander in the future. I didn't give any legal assistance to Helwa. She asked me for help on-site.

I called my interviewee. But after that, I communicated with her again. And she decided to choose another interviewee. And I wasn't that opinionated. So I said, I'm not going to join you here.

I also, as a media, will provide the same space.

Yes.

The rest, maybe the public can evaluate. We both bring proof. Is there anything else you want to say?

Yes, hopefully after this, it can be resolved well. That's all.

Amen. Hopefully I can meet Habib here too. Alwi, is there anything you want to say? Enough. Alwi, do you have anything to say? Anything to say to Helwa? Her mother?

If you make a statement, don't make it weird. I know how they live. Unless I don't know, then it's up to them to say whatever they wanted. Because I was there not because of them, but because of Habib.

Okay.

Last, Helwa said there was a lawyer,

meaning there was a possibility to get a legal explanation from you. Maybe from me too. From me personally, I wouldn't willing to vote for Habib. I've tried to talk to him. I can report him. Because there was a statement from him that really hurt Habib.

Because there was a statement from him that really hurt Habib. So from you, you will also seek justice.