Bate-Papo Com Alanzoka | Ep. 100

Guys, welcome to another episode of The Byte, a very special episode for two reasons. The first is that it's episode number 100. The second is that we have the presence of our friend Alan, Alan Zocca, here. Thank you very much for your presence. I won't let you speak yet, calm down. Calm down, let me finish the intro, then I'll pass the word. We will immediately thank the people of Kaboom for the partnership in this episode.

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Allan, you can talk now.

Can I talk now? Am I free?

No, not yet.

Calm down, calm down.

What's up, guys? Thanks for the invitation. One of the only podcasts I watch. Because I don't remember being here. I'm going to be doing a podcast called The Biggest Showman. I'm going to be doing a podcast called The Biggest Showman. I'm going to be doing a podcast called The Biggest Showman. I'm going to be doing a podcast called The Biggest Showman. I'm going to be doing a podcast called The Biggest Showman. I'm going to be doing a interests me, it's very good.

And it's a pleasure to be here, thank you for the invitation. No, we're together, thank you for accepting. I find it difficult for someone not to know Alan, at least to have heard him speak, here are not so fans of watching live, or maybe they work with games but don't necessarily consume so much gameplay content. I wanted Alan to tell us a little bit about his journey, just so we can get a sense of what he did and who he is, to present the work. Instead of me introducing Alan, Alan, please introduce yourself, please. My name is Alan, better known as AlanZoca on the internet. I've been on the internet for a long time, since the time Edu was there.

I started making some videos, without any pretensions, in 2008, 2009, without any aspiration to grow, because at that time there was none of that. Then I created another channel in 2011, when there was already Edu, Funk, I think this guys, even Van Dep, Van Dep, I think you were 2011, when there was Edu, Funk, I think these guys, even Van Dep, right Van Dep? Yeah, Van Dep. He was in this cake.

And then the channel started to grow at this time, 2012, at this time I did some sporadic lives, it wasn't Twitch yet, it was JustinTV, on another site, also Livestream.com, which I used a lot. And then the channel started to grow, then in 2016 I went back to doing fixed live 2016, more live than on YouTube. Then the pandemic came and it blew up a lot. And now I'm still focusing on live streaming, gameplay on YouTube, probably someone has seen me on TikTok, Twitter, I don't know,

a lot of older people recognize me on TikTok, but that's basically it. You mentioned live and video, something I Like, come talk to me, ah, I saw you on TikTok, I don't know But that's basically it You mentioned live and video, something I noticed and wanted to ask you is that Well, my impression is I'm imagining that you prefer doing live than video

Yes

At least for a long time I wanted you to explain a little why you prefer doing live And what you see as a fundamental difference between live and video. And this question is coming from someone who prefers to make videos more than live, even though I like doing live too. I think it depends a lot on the moment. I think there are moments, especially recently, that I'm enjoying. Sometimes I recorded some videos recently, right? Before I was only in live, only in live.

Even because I created another channel called Alanzoka's Lives, which is direct, right? The voices go straight there, and now I'm back with the channel Alan Zoka Not now, I've been back with the channel Alan Zoka for a while now And I've been recording some videos It depends on the moment, recording is something more lonely You, with the game, talking alone And then you do live I think it's very hard It's not hard, but it's different

You record alone, it seems like something is missing The chat is missing Someone to talk to, you know, something happens, you want to see people's reactions on the live, something that you don't have recording, right? And then when you do live for a long time, when you're going to record, I think that this part is missing, you know, this part of the interaction in real time.

And this is good and bad too, right? Because there is also the point that sometimes you focus so much on the interaction that you don't focus on the game, has its positive sides and its negative sides, but I like it a lot, so I really like doing live, but recently I'm enjoying recording too. Even now at the end of the year, maybe I record something that I don't do live for a few days, maybe I record some things. How do you face this dynamic, man? And we recently had the case of Tfue, right? We even talked about it off and on a little bit, who was the biggest streamer, not necessarily from Twitch, but at the height of Fortnite, he was there pumping, then he stopped, he came back and said that in part he had stopped too, not only because he got tired of Fortnite, but because games in general dried up. And I wanted to know from you, man, how did you face this story? But like, can you draw certain parallels with you? Do you think about taking a break, a little break and come back or do you think that with the stream specifically the day you stop you will

stop totally and then you will do another type of content you think about it because I know that a lot of people ask you that too and also if you think that games in general is a dry guy because I think it's funny we asked you to introduce yourself we never did this you are the worst streamer in the country so it was even a little, but Alan above all is a gamer, right? We play, but you zeroed how many games this year? Last year I know it was 130, this year I think it was more, right? For now 127, I don't know if I'll hit 130. So it's a lot, I think this is a case, and then we can

unravel a little more what makes Alan his success, but what did you think of this stories I don't know, play something with the people watching I don't know, I miss it You know? So it's hard to say to stop Because we have older streamers There's one I follow called Cocarnage, I don't know if you know him He's older now, he even participated in Cyberpunk He has a character there And he has kids, he has 4 kids

And he still does live, and there are many cases like this Both here in Brazil and abroad, there are many older guys who already have children and still do live, right? A lot of live, including, it's not a short live. You're talking about Edu, then.

Yeah, Edu.

Sorry.

Edu does some long lives from time to time, right? But to stop like this is difficult. And the Tfue thing, I didn't follow Tfue much. I think at the time he grew a lot in Fortnite I don't know if I had stopped playing Fortnite already or if I had already decreased it but I saw that he got a lot of views and I don't know before Fortnite what he did

I'm not a person who follows him, I don't know if he came from COD I don't know his background but from what I saw of him, it seems video he made a video of 4 minutes talking about it he said it gave a burn out of Fortnite because, I don't know, you get tired you'll be focused on the same game for a while

I think this is a problem for those who have only one game I think there will come a time when you'll eventually get tired of this game and then he got tired of Fortnite nothing more to have fun on live It's very difficult to do a live when you don't feel like playing something. So, always, man, doing a live is waking up and saying, what do I feel like playing today? Because you can't open a live without feeling like playing, right?

It's very difficult. And then I saw that he stopped, right? He gave a time, said he retired, because nothing else caught his attention. And now with Ark Raiders, right, which was so excited, he saw people playing, he saw people doing live, having fun and like I said, he wanted to be there, doing live, watching his chat and he was like, it's cool, I don't know, and then he came back, right?

But do you see yourself taking some time off if necessary, like Tfue? I see myself, but at the same time I think it's very difficult, I take about 15, 20 days off when I'm on vacation and when the 20th day comes I'm ready to go back to live but I think it's good to take some time off to think about it, I don't know to take a break I think that a lot of this

vibe you have with live, maybe different from Edu certainly different from me, I don't see myself streaming the live culture is not a culture that attracts me but I realize that those who like live are usually with other people who like it too Right? Like friends who play too

You, for example, is a guy who is always playing in groups, always playing with the crowd and such An interesting thing about you, Alan, which is the presence of Maite in your life, right? A person who lives with you, who plays too I think that too, unlike all of us, although we, our, I say, our spouses, they play something that is ocular, but Maite is a gamer, with capital G and such. I would like you to comment a little bit on how is this relationship between you two, because you are two content creators, two gamers,

you stream, produce content of various different types, regarding games and such. How is this dynamic on your side? I think it's something that not only me, but many people are curious to know how it works. Man, here the games that MyT plays are more... She likes The Sims a lot, these more cozy games, right?

The cozy games of life, she plays a lot. She's playing here. Anyway, we've already played things together, right? The Split Fiction recently, It Takes Two at the time too, but since I'm live all day,

then when I get out of the live, sometimes I want to play something more chill, I don't like to talk too much, I don't like to play with friends It's rare for me to play after the stream, because I talk all day, sometimes I just want to play without talking That's why I don't play CS, because I'm not in the mood to talk, you know? I spend 8 hours a day talking, sometimes I play Rocket League, which is a chill game, sometimes she just wants to watch me play here too. But that's the thing, sometimes I see her playing there too, I see that she is playing, I ask her what she is playing, usually she is playing The Sims of Life or some other game, of change, right? You asked another question there from Tfue, you talked about games, right?

So I don't think the games are drying up, I think that these people who in single player games, right? I think if he wants to play only multiplayer games, then maybe he's missing a good game, right? Like ArcRaiders. It's a game that blew up there too, right? Everyone is playing, enjoying it. And for him it was drying because he wanted the next big multiplayer game, right? And it's been a while since a giant game like Fortnite, right? There was PUBG, there was Fortnite.

Warzone to study what makes Alan be Alan, his success. And, quickly, not only does Alan like the game a lot, it makes a lot of difference, he also has this privilege of being able to play anything. I remember when I started working with him, he started playing Full Throttle, which is a game I think from 1995, 1996,

click and point. I was fascinated and there were a lot of people watching, more than 10,000 people, so it's really a privilege and total merit of his, right? But what makes Alan be Alan? I'll even play the question to Edu in a little while. But I think he plays well, he has a very charismatic thing too, he holds it. So Alan is nice to say, let's see a clip of him, it will be funny.

Let's leave him in the background while I'm studying. Let's see VoD on YouTube because I don't have money to play this game and for Alan it's cooler. So there are several factors and also consistency. We talk a lot about live here, Alan, also about Twitch, and then we can even talk about this moment. Alan is very methodical, usually starts live between 3, 4 hours, maybe a little later, Monday to Friday. It's good that you rest on the weekend too, there are people who don't do that. I Authenticity will always come when you create a connection with a person. If he was pretending that he likes video games,

to begin with, he wouldn't be able to, because he would have been tired for a long time, right? You mentioned consistency, which I think is super important, because his audience knows that he will be live, on weekdays, in the afternoon. So this consistency is very important because it creates the habit in people, and habits have a huge force Whether for you to achieve what you want to achieve

Or for you not to achieve anything because you have bad habits, right? In Alan's case, I think he makes people create the habit of watching him People enter the live and like it because of the authenticity But I also feel that Alan plays a lot in quality and quantity the amount of games the amount of genres

and he plays well too I think this possibly comes from the games he played when he was younger on PC, shooting games and such I think in that he created a skill a aiming speed that transfers well to current multiplayer games

and in the rest of the games it's a matter of, like, you being able to read what's going on in the single player, you know? And one thing I would mention is that it's very difficult for you to perform well while you're live or recording. Especially live, because Alan himself said that there's the distraction of the chat.

Besides that, it's monitoring if the live is flowing well. It's you performing under pressure, because you're being judged all the chat. Besides that, it's monitoring if the live is flowing well. It's you performing under pressure, because you're being judged all the time. And that comes from his talent, and also the fact that he's been doing this for so long that he got used to it. But I wanted to even... even amend what I was saying and ask Alan what he played before he became a content creator, because I think what he played before, and obviously there's a lot of things I know he played

because we're friends and we buy games together sometimes but I wanted to know what he played before because that was the basis of what he

plays today, I guess, right?

I started playing in the 90s just like anyone born in the 90s must have played my first console was the Master System and I always had a PC so much so that my PC is my main platform since I was a kid. I had my Master System that I liked a lot, my 64 too, Play 2, anyway, but PC I think was something I always liked more than anything, right?

Especially I think who grew up with PC in the 90s, played a lot of PC. So, man, my base of the 90s are the point and click games I play until today, I really like to bring these games to the live, for the younger people, that people don't like, they don't have much patience for this type of game, but I insist on playing, I like it a lot, and I like to bring different games, it's no use playing only the don't have this, I don't get too worried about the view So I'm going to play a game, if there's almost no one watching Cool, at least I'm playing a different game People, eventually, with time, will have a view, right?

So my base was this point and click from the 90s, LucasArts I grew up playing, Zelda 64, I like it a lot Then for the 2000s came the LanHouses fever came, right? I started playing CS in 2000. And, man, CS was one of the games I played the most in my life. I played competitive too, I participated in the qualifiers, right? Qualify of life. I played CS from 2000 to 2009 there.

There was even a clip recently, I met a friend of mine who played with me at the gym. A clip from 2009, I think it was from us at Lan House, the guys recorded it. And then CS was one of the games I played the most, but I always played everything. I launched a game on PC in 2007, it was a year that marked me a lot. I played almost everything there in 2007, Bioshock, Crysis, I always liked it. The only games I used to play a lot in the past, that I don't like much nowadays, are fighting games and soccer. When I was younger I loved playing Winning Eleven, when it was Christmas, and I loved Mortal Kombat. I used to play a lot of Mortal Kombat Trilogy on the 64. Nowadays I don't have much patience for fighting games,

it doesn't catch me anymore. I think they're the only types of games that I don't like very much, fighting games and sports games. The rest I like almost everything. Speaking of which, how have you observed the industry as a whole, especially in relation to the releases? What was released last year, we are publishing this episode on the 5th, so you've already passed the entire year of 2025. What did you think of the year 2025 and what are you waiting for now for 2026? What is more in your hype? 2025 for me was a very good year of gaming, I see people complaining.

Edu. Edu said it was more or less 2025. I'm I don't remember being so good in terms of releases, right? Even because it was delayed a lot. And then we were leaving there in 2024, it already improved, but I don't think I liked 2024 very much, I don't even remember. Honestly, there was Baldur's Gate, I think it was 2024, there were some very good games. But this 2025 had a lot of good games, right? There was Silk Song, Clerob Sc if it launches, I don't know. How are you feeling about it, D? Do you think it will launch?

Man, I think they will not postpone it again, I don't know. They postponed it twice, three times, I don't even know how many times they postponed it. But I don't remember exactly which releases will be next year. I remember the GTA 6, obviously. Resident Evil Hacking Yeah, it's gonna be good too. I really want the remaster of Deus Ex. Taylor was kind of bad, but then they postponed the game because they saw the community's complaint.

I really want to play the remaster of Deus Ex. And I don't remember the game's release, but I hope it's a very good year, right? I hope it's better than 2025. I think that, well, about the game of the year 2024 was Astro Bot I voted for him, ok? You talked about Baldur's Gate Was it in the previous year, Baldur's Gate, 2023? It was 2023, Baldur's Gate?

That's crazy, wow, for me it was 2024 Because 24 was Astro Bot, right? It's true So it must have been 2023, yeah Dude, I thought that 2025 Missed more of those mega--showy releases, you know?

That's why I think that Clare Obscure scrapped everything there. Simply because there were no other strong release-focused points. I think it was a good year, but it wasn't a year that had at the same time, like, an Elden Ring and a God of War, you know? It wasn't a year that had multiples, AAA And we're walking to not have that much The development cycle of the games is too long, right? It seems that they can't release a game, right?

Before, they released every 3 years I don't know, during, I don't know, Play 4, I don't know how many Uncharted came out No, Play 4 came out 1, right? But I think in Play 3 came out 3, right?

Yeah!

And it's taking too long I miss those more hype games So, a question for you two, from 2025 A underestimated game or a superestimated game?

2025?

Underestimated? Underestimated for me is Kingdom Come The Living Dead 2 Because for me it's the best game of the year And superestimated I go with Claire Obscure

Really?

Yeah, I think the game is very good no, I think the game is very good. No, I think the game is very good, Clear Obscure. It's just that people nowadays, they have the game, it's either very good or it's a piece of trash. There is no middle ground between, man, the game is very good, but for me it's not the best in the world, you know?

Like, there is this world too, right? So, for me, the best RPG of the year was Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 And for me, the best game of the year was Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 It was the game I enjoyed the most Clare Obscure is a fantastic game, I really liked the game, I finished it But I don't think it deserved the best RPG award, close to Kingdom Come Game of the year, it still blew up, right? So, even those who didn't like the game by turn, those JRPGs of life I think he deserved it, but for me Kingdom Come is still a better game.

And I see him not winning anything in the Game Awards, I watch the trailers more to enjoy with the people. The awards itself, it's not like I care much, but I found it kind of... nothing to do with Kingdom Come not winning anything. Even PC Gamer, I think he did a Game of the Year for them, and Kingdom Come won the PC Gamer, I think he made a... Also his Game of the Year and Kingdom Come won in the PC Gamer's people in his awards.

Man, overrated... I don't know if I can think of an overrated like that. But underrated I found Wu Chang Fallen Feathers. Because, man, I really liked Wu Chang, like that. In the game he trapped me. Man, it's a Soulslike for me, very good. Very good, very good. The studio hesitated because it received a little negative criticism

in relation to its history and then instead of blocking the criticism, it accepted the criticism and it shaped the game to try to receive criticism and adapt, you know? So some NPCs that you could kill, you can't kill anymore some bosses were important historical figures so now instead of you killing, you just lose and the figure stays alive and for me, the version I played of the game which is the original vision of the developers

I liked it a lot what I feel is that it's a Soulslike that you can go deep in gameplay mechanics you need to go deep to do well and I don't know if everyone agreed to go deep in gameplay mechanics and you need to go deep to do well and I don't know if everyone agreed to go deep in gameplay mechanics maybe that's why it hasn't been so well evaluated I feel like there were people who left the game aside

it's a very good Soulslike, man I found it underrated So I skipped it because I couldn't stand the game that takes place in Japan-China

I got it

I can't stand it anymore, a game that takes place in Japan and China. I can't take it anymore, man. I played Assassin's Creed Shadows, Ghost of Yoteki, for me it's almost the same game, the same story, I couldn't take it anymore. Then there will be now Phantom Zero, I think that's the name?

Phantom Blade Zero.

Oh yeah, but it's only at the end of choosing the game, you choose the game you want to play and go there, it goes a lot by your taste, let's say, not necessarily by some hype of the market or anything like that. But do you have some kind of process, do you use some tool and such? I ask you this because I work with some content creators too,

especially one who likes indie games a lot, and that, for him, it's very important to know not only the indie game that is booming now, but the indie game that will boom soon. The one that has a lot of wishlists, the one that is very hyped on SteamDB, you know? Because he wants to get that wave before it starts to grow and such. Do you have more or less this thought too? Do you make these choices a little more strategic, let's say? Or do you really go for the feeling, for the touch, or for what the guys are talking in the chat? Man, in the past, I was always looking to see what would really work, right?

Especially at the time of PUBG, we saw that Battle Royale was on high, Fortnite later. These are games that I really liked, that's why I played. And then, nowadays, if I see something that I think will go well on the channel, and I feel like playing, because for me it is very important to have the desire to play I can't see what will be hyped, but I don't want to play, I can't So, depending, I still see, yes Oh, I choked

I still see, yes Out of nowhere I choked But, but, specific indie game, I don't go far behind These games that I play the most are's games, especially PC games, because people grew up playing consoles, right? So I like to bring to live the PC game, a little bit unknown, from the 2000's, you know? Kind of like cult classics, like...

Who knows, says that the game is very good, but many don't even know it. And then I don't have much, like, I like to play a game that I know is going badly, like these old games, depending, right, it won't give a lot of views. And I like to vary things up and play a game that I know will work to have a balance. So I play an old game, then I play an Arc Raiders that people like, I play with friends, people like it a lot. Then I play it once a week, we usually play together, people like it. I don't like to overdo it, I have a list that I made, but it's more about feeling, like you said.

Sometimes I don't have to play during the day. I wake up and look at the list I made of the games I want to play live. On Steam, I have. What am I in the mood to play today? This, this, this, this. Okay, I'm going to play this one. So bit. I wanted, if possible, you to tell us what your setup is. Because you and I, we talk a lot about setup in off, right? And one is always getting ideas from the other.

Even before this recording, you were talking about your OBS scheme and I got some ideas. Could you tell us what equipment you have used nowadays? Man, I use two PCs, right? A stream PC, which is what is on here too to stream and my game PC which is what I use in the day to day for everything, right? And to play, to edit video. PC stream I only turn on when I'm going to stream, it's a 14900K with a 4070 Super.

I don't know if you want to know, right?

You can, send it, send it.

Anyway, I'll just say the main thing, right? Only the main thing. I stream and record too, right? I always record the lives to post on YouTube with the highest quality And this is my game PC, it's a 9800X3D with a 4090, right? I didn't get the 5 series yet because they didn't have support for physics Now they put it back and I play a lot of old games with physics, so I didn't change it, right? And that's it, right? Delg Sony's, right? I don't know much about cameras, I know more about PCs I use a Goal XLR for the audio part

I was on 2 PCs, it's very annoying the audio part, and when I launched this Goal XLR they saved me and that's basically it, I have my consoles connected to a splitter that goes to the hard drives Microphone and headset

Headset I'm using this one is a... I used a Beyerdynamic DT-1990 Pro I always remember the model This one is a Sennheiser HD 490, I think It's a Sennheiser HD 490 Pro, this one, Pro Plus Is it open or closed?

It's open After I used open microphone, I never used closed one again I feel... I don't know, I feel like something is missing Yes, I like the feedback of the voice Yeah, I didn't like it before The voice doesn't come out of my ear

No, it doesn't, it's just for you to have feedback

Yes, yes, there are people who like to hear the voice, right?

I don't like it

I don't like it

And the microphone you use? It's the... Ah, that classic, the Shure SM7B

7B, 7B, exactly

It's standard. Taking advantage of the fact that we're talking about more technical aspects of your work, Ala, tell us a little bit about how you work as a team, right? If you have a team, we know that you work with VanDep, you take questions from Edu, turn and move, but other than that, who works with you? And I think it's even something interesting about your work and such, what people see, for example, how is the backstage part about editing your videos that go to YouTube, cut and such? We were even talking before here and you could see that you still mess with the editing program.

You were talking about Da Vinci Resolve, including, and such. How is this involvement of yours with this process of making the videos and the lives? Man, as a team, so the live and video part, it's me. I do everything. Yes, I wanted what I was going to say. I had Dino, who worked with me, he played Alan Zocca's channel live at the time. It was a time when I kind of abandoned YouTube, I was very focused on the lives. And then I said, I want someone to post my votes there.

And because I don't want to... I don't know how to explain But I felt like I was distancing myself You know? From the people on YouTube And then I wanted to go back to the channel And do it myself I like to see what I'm posting To see what I'm doing I'm not the one who does the thumb, right?

The video editing part I record my lives I edit it There's not much editing, honestly I go to the bathroom or if something happens, right? To make it cool for YouTube But I edit it, I upload it The thumbnails, Sandro does my thumbnails Every night I ask him at the live show

I kind of edit the thumbnail, I say, look Use this image I want, I hold this thing, I send the game print to him And he edits it perfectly, like I asked, right? In these last of Arc Raiders I'm still leaving it in his hands I say, look, this happened, leave it to you, do the way you think is better, right?

But in general I like to set up the thumbs because at the time I was doing the thumbs, right? A long time ago. So I like to do the thumbs myself, right? Then I have VanDep, right? That agency does all this part of responding to e-mails, right? Talk to the agencies, I don sub that talks to me the most, but all my mods help me a lot. I don't even know the number, 9 or 10 mods that help in Twitch, in Discord too, because I don't use Discord much. Discord is more for people to use, but they mod there too.

And I have Sabrina who takes care of TikToks, I don't even open TikTok, but people were kind of passing by me there. to I don't know what I'm forgetting, but that's basically it. A lot of people find it curious, precisely because there are people of Alan's size, who have security, who have a huge team, and one of the things I liked in my early work with Alan is precisely, no, man, I want to do things. When we had the conversations of working together, he said, no, man, I want to tackle these problems, I want to re back to editing everything, I want to go back to understanding everything. So much so that TikTok was something that didn't interest him, but precisely, what's the problem?

There's no his at all there. So we started with TikTok, got verified, got the at, hired someone. And now it's good for him, you know? You have to end up moving different social networks. And so, with Alan, specifically our work a little bit, it's certainly a privilege and a lot of pressure to work with him, but positive. Even because Alan has this level of fame that is different. But this year we did some advertising campaigns.

Alan is not very interested in a campaign with a non-endemic brand. Alan doesn't want to become the live boy propaganda, or all about live, or Coca, I don't know, it's not something that interests him. He prefers something that is really very endemic to him. So much so that the two partnerships we have are Cabum and Nuvem, who are here with us in this episode too.

But what people don't know, because we do these sponsored lives, where Alan plays for two hours and such, is how much Alan says no to these lives. And it's okay, it's a deal we had. Even the first game I brought him, poor thing, it was a mobile game that was going to PC and I saw that he kind of wanted to say yes

because it was our first job, but I said it too. It was a lot of money, ok, guys? It's more money than you can imagine. But for him it's very curious, because sometimes he says, bro, I played the to play this game, I don't want to. But he doesn't always say it, and that's very interesting, because everything he plays is very organic.

Arc Raiders was one that we did a campaign. They pay for two hours, right? Like, for him to play, and that's it. So much so that with Ala, we talked in the last episode about the publicity campaign, there was the Cellbit and AI thing, and I talked a little bit about our work too. With Alan, I spend a lot of time with the client explaining, dude, Alan will stream, he will play these two hours, he will read what's in the briefing,

there's the link, the sub, it's worth it if you talk about the sub and his moderator, the sub is a phenomenon, man. Then I think maybe we can even put what they set up at the beginning of the year, I started with Abu and Nuvem, Sub and the moderators set up a spreadsheet with the delivery of each of the companies with a logo, every time

that Alla mentions it, and it's perfect for the client. Before there wasn't this, right? But, Alla has nothing to do with anyone. So if there's something that lights up a yellow light for us Look, man, I don't know the agency I couldn't find them on LinkedIn, better not do it And if he played the game and then didn't like it

He will talk bad about the game too, like that, there's no such thing With him, as I said, it's very specific, he will stream And he will post the VOD the next day without approval There are many customers who don't like it, they don't even know how much, but I always say it, because it doesn't make sense. The content has already been released, man. The content has already been released, why would he have to review it? Then it takes three days, then they'll ask him to cut something. Man, I got here respecting my audience, right? a mobile game, I don't like mobile games anymore.

And then something appeared that I wouldn't like, I can't play what I don't like, much less spread it, say, guys, download the game here, I can't do that. And it was an absurd value. It was the first job that VanDep and I were talking about, I said, man, won't be able to play this game. I won't play this game. And to make it clear, I accepted. Because what I earn starting my work with Alan, putting him in a hole where the public will reject, we are presenting this concept of live sponsored, so it would be the biggest commission I would ever earn in my life. We said no and I didn't keep removing it.

I tried to get more information about the game, right? Yeah, there wasn't. Like, there wasn't a page on Steam. And it was with an agency that I worked with already. So that was something that weighed in favor, but it didn't happen yet. But it's a lot of respect, people have no idea, you know? There was one that we did with GeoGuessr, man,

which I think was the only one would do it, bro. I don't know if I would do it. Bro, forget it, you know? But we talked and said, look, this will generate good content for your live. Then he asked the people from the live. And then I also talked to the agency, which is my biggest partner. We got an S budget for him to play, because I think he was will make a react of the World Cup of Geoguessr. Then he played, we got an S budget, he enjoyed it a lot, made several videos, the audience liked it. He introduced himself to a new game, I think you didn't even play again to play more. Ah, if you had to pay, you should have called your father, but anyway, he started with that.

But it's just these examples, this dynamic, we talk little, but like, people don't imagine the values that come to him. And even so, it's like that, otherwise we don't do it. And there are a positive value, because many times they go up in value or come back with the next campaign, in that case, in life we don't have what we deserve, we just negotiate. This in relation to the public is a matter of integrity, right? It's not the money that will make you recommend something, it's simply something you would recommend through an advertisement, you organize it with the people interested in the promotion, right?

But what I'm going to mention is that it's really cool, like, the new creators, I imagine they also have a nice domain of platforms and equipment But when we go back to the creators who started before the internet was so professional in video Dude, it's a group that knows how to record, knows how to, camera, audio, edit, make thumbnails, upload content to YouTube, moderate this content. So it was really cool to hear Alan talking about the team, because you see that even in the aspects where he has someone to help him, he would know how to do it on his own, right? And I think that these foundations of content creation are very important. Because nowadays, it's not all the thumbnails that I do.

Some I do, others the team does. But if we need to change something in the thumbnail, I have the technical knowledge to explain why I want to change that, you know? When editing a video, Alan doesn't have so many edited videos, but he would have this malice that I have, like, I think it's very important for the people who are new creators to build and also build the ability to say, like, man, my thumb maker is sick, I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it,

I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it, I need to know how to do it, I think it's very important for the new creators to build and also build the capacity of, like, wow, my thumb maker is sick, I need to know how to make the thumbnail. Or my editor is also not available, I need to know how to edit. It's cool to hear this big team that has been working with Alan, which is not that big, but see how much he also dominates the area.

But, I think we can reveal this because you said it live, Alan was writing the script for the best games of 2024, then it was in April, I said, I arrived in April and I don't know anymore, then this video never came out, because I thought it was very interesting to see a video a little more edited by Alan, because, man, in life we challenge ourselves, right? Edo is a guy that I think you talk about it. to And you also made the best game, or all the games I've ever played, right? Uhum. And I found it very interesting.

Since I finish a lot of games, I play a lot of things, and even very different games, right? I like to play. I thought it would be really cool. So I went after every game I played, watched my live, not the whole one, right?

But some parts, especially the ending, that I say I found't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't project of Audacity and you, with the name of the games written down, you improvise on top of it. And put it in the hands of an editor. This is the video I would say, if you were to do it, to put it in the hands of an editor. Because the editing of these videos gives a job that, like,

if I needed to edit it, it wouldn't be at the level of my editors, and it would take me many hours of work that I would prefer to allocate to other things but it's something that has to do with you and that only proves again your authenticity, right? like, you wanted to do it, but you didn't want to do it that much, and you don't, and it's okay when there's something I want but I don't want, I leave it aside, I don't know, I'll start reading what I wrote then something else will come, then I'll get lost, you know? In the middle, I'm not...

I'm very bad with scripted things I'm bad at saying what comes to my mind at the time, but the problem with this video is that it's too much game there's no way I can remember everything, right? so I have to write some things but then I keep thinking about it I'll say it wrong, it'll be hard to record. Did you think about making a list of 20?

I didn't think about it, I was going to make a list of all of them. You should make a collab, Berka, Issidu and Alanzoca. You guys record together, you know? I'm kidding, Edu, what were you going to say? No, I was going to say that when I'm making consoles, as you've never seen, sales number and such, I leave everything written down on the teleprompter, I read.

But, apart from the games, I write the name of the game and improvise on top, because it's more natural and I prefer it too. And then if it's a game that I want to remember to say something specific, I leave the name of the game below that I want to remember to say so I don't forget. Because I think that the naturalness in speech is very important so Alan is right about that I'm going to improvise, I'm going to change the subject and I don't know what, but when you have the bullet point you can change the subject because you'll know where to go back later

When did you start working with Prompter? Edu, was it in 2021 or before you had this experience already? Because you were improving a lot in this, even the calls we make So, You can, you write in your language and if it's not cool, you improvise on the spot. Or you just put the points there, as if it were a post-it, you know? Yes, yes, if it's a point, it's good. I thought about it too, because I think it's easier to get a point and talk.

Instead of writing and reading what's written, I think I would get lost. No, and the teleprompter, for example, I'm going to use now to talk about... Cloud, Cloud Ticket! The Cloud is giving us an exclusive coupon, it's for a limited time. The coupon is DBYTE15 for 15% off in 100 PC games. And besides that, until January 9th, the Cloud Gamer's Turn is happening. Some games that have a promotional price are Claire Obscure Expedition 33, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, Monster Hunter Wilds, Resident Evil Hacking,

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this was an example of use of teleprompter

you saw? you saw Alan?

I liked it, I liked it

I wanted to ask Allan something. I wanted to share an idea I had with him, take advantage of his presence here to do a self-promotion, obviously, right? Friendship is nothing if we can't use a friend for something. That's why he's here today.

I talked to Allan a few months ago when he was returning with the main channel, Allan Zoka. That inspired me to do something that I'm going to do now in the beginning of 2026. I noticed that there were many games that I was playing off

and doing analysis, or doing some editorial video, and many games that I was playing off and just mentioning in the video of games that I will use throughout the year. And I decided to create a channel just to make a series of gameplay of these games

that I had been playing off and wouldn't publish on the channel BRKS Edu I would like to know what Alan thinks about it, if he has any tips, any thoughts I've already thought about making a channel for games, both on Twitch, there are a lot of people, I don't know if you follow But there are several streamers who have a secondary channel on Twitch to play something that, I don't know, wouldn't go so well on the main channel, right? Shroud has... Cellbit has, I don't know if he uses it recently, but he has it too And there are other streamers that I don't remember off the top of my head But Shroud plays a lot of Diablo on this secondary channel

He played WoW, if I'm not mistaken, too And on YouTube it's valid, I think it's cool Because there are also games that I wanted have translation, mainly, right? And it's hard for you to translate if there's a lot of dialogue. I think it's really cool. I think there are a lot of games that I stop playing, like you said, that you played in-off, right?

There are games that I stop playing because I think that I won't be able to play on live or for the channel. And I've already thought about creating a secondary channel on Twitch. People even said to play in my life, right? Something much more... just to play and have there. I think it would be cool. Yeah, so... but I didn't go ahead with this idea. I'm curious, Edu, to see. I think it will be cool.

Because I saw that, for example, Yakuza. I'm playing several Yakuza now, you know? I'm not going to re-record the 1, but I also wanted to give people the confidence that something that starts on this new channel goes to the end So they don't think there's a beginning of gameplay on the main channel and then I don't follow the series So I don't have this frustration I started recording Crow Country, which I reset and already uploaded there But the moment this episode goes to air, I'll have already published

But I recorded and then I want to play like Hogwarts Legacy, which at the time I did not play, now I want to play Resident Evil Outbreak, you know? Games that would not fit in series and I want to pass the BRKS Edu channel to like GTA 6, there will be series on it. Resident Evil Hacking too. But these games that I would be lost to record or not, now I will have a place to publish content, Sam. Yes, it's very good. I wanted... For me, the games I wanted to play, but it doesn't fit well, are games that don't have translation, especially RPGs. I have many RPGs that I wanted to play, like Divinity,

since the first one, I don't know, Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity, now they announced a new Divinity. I have other RPGs of life too, I wanted to play Pathfinder, Kingmaker, Pillars of Eternity, and there's even a translation But, man, these are games that, on live, mainly, are very difficult to play, there's a lot of dialogue People complain that there's dialogue, and that's also a negative side of live If I were to record, no one would complain about having dialogue

Even because I would only see it after the video was published, whatever. And on live, if I'm going to play a game like this, man, we complain that the game has dialogue, being that it's an RPG, and these are games that I really wanted to play, and I have a hard time playing things in off, that I wanted to play on live, and then I stop playing in off, I don't know how to explain, like,

there are games that I want to play this, I prefer to record videos than live But I understand you, horror game for me, I have to be recording, man I have to be recording together, because the video is only recorded, because it's scary, you know? Yeah, so I thought about creating a channel on Twitch, right? Secondary for me to do live without camera Even being an English game, right? Then I wouldn't have to worry, as it's a secondary channel, right?

I won't be worried about translating anything, because these games have thousands of dialogues, I can't keep translating them because I'll go crazy. But I never went forward with this idea, this idea of a channel is really cool, I think it's really cool, actually. Do you have other ideas that you see from other streamers, other content creators, that you think, if I were two people, if I had twice the time I have today, I would have very interested in doing it. I ask myself this because I imagine that you must have, like anyone else, your references, right? At least, like, wow, cool what Shroud is doing,

maybe I do something similar, I'm seeing what Cellbit is doing. Even because many of the creators you know and that you, let's say, know personally or know about their existence, they evolve a lot over time. Shroud himself was a pro player, became a streamer, Cellbit started making videos that have nothing to do with what he does today,

with these great productions and everything. How do you see this evolution of these creators that grew around you too? And how does this inspire you to want to do different things in your day to day? I think it's natural, when you're on the internet, you're shaping what the public wants to see and what you want to do too, right? So, like, Cellbit made some different videos, well edited

Now he's more focused on this part of his RPG that he likes a lot, right? Shroud, who was a pro player, now kind of became a variety streamer, right? He has this other channel that he plays a lot, Diablo I don't know if you can see it, but I'm going to play a game. I'm going to play a game. I'm going to play a game. I'm going to play a game. I'm going to play a game. I'm going to play a game.

I'm going to play a game. Who does this, Alan? From Brazil? Who? Me. Self promotion again. This guy doesn't miss the chance. Journey videos. I do a little bit, right? But like, my journey in God of War. Then I summarize the whole game.

There are the cutscenes. Oh, it's true. You already did it, right? Is it long, your videos? I don't remember now. Man, God of War's one was almost 2 hours Yeah, so, that's what I was going to say The guys who do this make long videos And I think it's really cool

I think... Mainly, it was a secondary idea of these games that I told you That I wouldn't bring to the channel because... For some reasons, I play it off And make an edited video showing, telling I think this kind of video is really cool

But also, I don't have time, I can arrange time, you know? But I'm focused on the live, and then I do the live all day, there's no time left to do another project, let's put it that way. This is even a generic question, because I saw that you bought a tube TV recently, you were playing Aladdin, Super Nintendo. It's funny how much you love games, right? Like, what you do to relax is play a game after the live, but you don't talk. Because a lot of people don't know how to differentiate that, right? Playing streaming, you're looking at the chat, you're looking at the technical part,

you're thinking if it's interesting. I imagine you don't keep looking at the number and stuff, even though you're always doing well and stuff. But, man, where did this passion start? I know you introduced yourself in the beginning and that was a very strong thing for you in your childhood, I know you don't talk much about your childhood but I also know, for example, you started streaming in a room that didn't have a window, right? Everyone thinks that Allah is just a net, but poor thing, the guy didn't have a window anymore

in the beginning there's a famous clip of you and MIT and you damn it has 600 people I think this is one of the cutest clips I know because you stay there and you are crazy there are 800 people and MIT looking at you with pride. One of the first lives on YouTube Wow, you guys are crazy and such so like that you think about your journey

and where does this passion come from it was with Master System and why that means so much like I said I know it's kind of but what can you describe it for us? The worst thing is that the game, since I remember, has always been present in my childhood. Especially because of my aunt, who worked with technology, so she always had a PC.

So I always had a PC close to me, my grandmother, my aunt. And man, I grew up playing Prince of Persia, Lemmings, I liked it a lot. My aunt would put me to play games that taught English at the time, also put me to play, like I said, Point and Click, that's where I learned most of my English, I was playing Point and Click by LucasArts,

Fred Fish, which was a kind of educational game, Pajama Sun, who is old from the 90s should know Fred Fish, Pajama Sun, Puchi Puchi. Puti Puti dos Carrinhos came from there Master System, I remember playing a lot too Then I won my 64 Zelda, anyway, always, man I grew up playing, I don't know

And it was something I never stopped doing You know, I was always very, when I was younger I also liked sports a lot, I played a lot of ball I played volleyball, but video games were always a constant in my whole life I always liked it, I still do Then you said, I finish the live and I'll play Because it's very different to play live

People sometimes say, I played this thing in off Then I say, why didn't you play live? I say, because I wanted to play in off, it's different, you know? I like to play for myself too Because when I'm doing live I'm playing for others too I have to play for myself too, for example, I finished Cardinal of Time and Majora's Mask, two of my favorite games of my life.

I finished again, I finish every year, I think, playing off. I've already played on live too, and then I finished, I don't know, Play 2 game, I finished Time Splitter recently, I played Aladdin, but I didn't finish it, I died, I got angry. It's hard, I saw Maister a Super Nintendo I used to play on my neighbor's, Aladdin So I had a Master System But I like it, I always liked it

Then I got this tube TV, it was the best purchase I made recently To play old consoles I already talked to Edu about this I have the RetroTINK of life, I have the 5X and the 4K But man, it's not the same thing If you play put a tube filter, and I felt that something was missing. I said, man, that's not how it's supposed to be played.

Then I went to bring a tube TV, I got it, it's here on the side. Wow, then I finish the live, sometimes I turn on my 64, I play something, I turn on Play 2 or Super Nintendo now. to play sometimes, precisely because it's so exhausting. But I think it's really cool, that's why I thought it was cool for you to talk about it. I was going to ask about the events of games that are happening, because when you were talking about the old games that you like, which are also old games that I like, you talked on Tube TV, I remembered your participation in a Retrocom, which was not really a participation, because you went there more to participate in the event itself, than the actual participation, right? Tell us a little bit about your experience

with Retrocon, about your relationship with Uncle Zan, Gilão and everything else. And also, if possible, talk about the gaming events in general, how do you observe them nowadays? Because I think that both BGS and Gamescom Latam, as well as Retrocon itself,

are gaming events nowadays that have a consolidation, they have a renown already, right? Even Retrocon itself already has its name, right? It already put it on the map, let's say, but they are very different events, right? Retrocon is one thing, Gamescom is another, BGS is completely different. How do you see this too? Man, Retrocon, I went, I talked to the uncle at the time, I think, I said,

look, uncle, I don't want to go as a guest, I don't want to go as an attraction, let's say, because I want to enjoy the event. And man, for me it's very difficult to enjoy an event. I don't, like, especially in the game, I don't go if I go. And then the retrocon, I told the uncle, I got it a little before the event opened, I even met Edu there. The event had already opened, the staff met me there, but I still managed to do to the event, but I wanted to go more to enjoy the event, right? Because I'm a bit of a human being, I also want to enjoy the event like anyone else. I also want to go there, see the stores, right?

But if I'm in the middle of everyone, I don't walk, I can't walk, I can't see anything, right? But I managed to go, it's a really cool event, for those who like retro games, it's really good. And from the other events, Gamescom I didn't go, BGS I also didn't go, I don't even know when it was, 2018 or 2019, but it's an event that I go to just so people can take pictures with me. And I love meeting my audience, but I can't meet everyone, so there's that feeling of, like, my dad was grabbing me at the event, I I kind of stopped going there too. There was the pandemic, actually, right? And you grew even more, right? You grew even more in the pandemic. I grew a lot.

Even if you allow me to comment, Alan's fame level is strange, but it's strange at a kind of scary level, right? Even when we started working together, when I was with Maite, we went out to lunch.

I underestimated a little bit, I underestimated a little bit, I knew a lot about Alan, I wasn't working, I was just having lunch and stuff, but I consider it a little scary, ok? I was going to ask you about it a little bit, because it's hard, man, we talk a lot about the concept of fame in this program, and we have a guy here who makes a living very well, living from his passion, so we never want it to look like they're complaining about life, It's not that, but you have to understand how strange it is. And we, Adam, Dua, me, Davi, Edu, here where I live, I was also recognized a lot, man, but with Alan, I think it's a lot because of this parasocial relationship that exists with the streamer. The streamer is there every day, at that time,

and Alan has a persona, which is part of his personality, much more crouched or high, Alan. In many ways he is an introspective guy, right? He's a more in his own. I even think that's why people extract a lot from him. And he understands that it's a responsibility. But we were in a mall, there are people who grab, don't let go of him. We even talked about it with Maite when she was here.

And, man, it It's a little scary, but there's going to the bathroom and then suddenly a line starts to form, in a minute, a minute and a half, and a bubble starts, and I remember I was very scared. It was right when we started working together, I said, man, what are we doing here? Then there's a mother looking at me with a sad face, saying, my son, yes, and my role is kind of a villain. We have to go, because if you attend one, you attend thousands. So never that an Alan or an Edu is complaining about it. But it's really a very strange existence, especially with him.

And I think in part because people think his personality is this, right? Very out, like that, and it's not, man. So, even, you talked about the Battlefield event, man. We went there and we talked a little bit, of course, off, I won't reveal much, but we were on the bus and you said, man, it's weird because I think someone is looking at me and will approach me right here. So we were at In-N-Out, it seems kind of cute, but I saw, me, funk, maite and rayage and I saw Alan in the middle of a relaxed crowd because no one knew who he was

so these things I think scared me the most because this is also his total merit, right man? you can talk more, but like this is the relationship you build with the public to be like this all afternoon there, but like this, it's not with everyone, man there are people who like youtubers and such, but there isn't. There's no way Alan is in an event like this. That's basically what I'm saying. There isn't, man. There isn't.

The first time I saw you, Alan, you don't even know, was BGS 2017, at Twitch's booth. And, like, you had, I think, done a meet and greet, and there were people outside Otherwise he would get in trouble with the security, man. So I wanted to know your relationship with this. Because obviously you don't complain about your success. But I think this prevents you from going out more, from trusting more. The last time we met with Edu himself was here at home, right?

You, Edu, Funk, Maite. Also for you to feel more comfortable. I see that you feel comfortable with Edu, right? But how is your relationship with fame today, man? Man, today, like, there's no place I'm going to that someone doesn't know me. Hospital, right? With Maite.

Hospital, including one of the only places I refused to take pictures until today in my life was in the hospital. Man, with a lot of people, Maite was feeling bad. She had a stone in her kidney. Ok. I'm used to it, I never wanted to be famous, I don't like it, I like to be more low profile So much that I barely post things on Instagram or anything But there are some scary situations, like sometimes I avoid a very crowded place Because I know someone will recognize me, and sometimes people recognize me

And we know when someone recognizes you They think not, but they look at you and do like this, then you recognize them But then the person doesn't come to ask to take a picture of you, they take a picture of you hidden I said, um, reconheceu. Só que daí a pessoa não vem pedir pra tirar foto dela, fica com o celular tirando foto de você escondido e cê vê. Isso que é ruim. Pede pra tirar uma foto comigo, eu tiro, não tem problema, sabe? Mas vai ficar me filmando.

Inclusive, viralizou até um... Acho que uma menina que postou no TikTok. Nem sei quantas views deu, deve ter dado muita view. I was sitting in the mall, but it was in a store, I sat down, I stayed on my cell phone and the girl recorded me hidden, you know? Through the store, like... Yeah! And then she... I didn't even see her, I didn't see her, right? Normally I see her, but I didn't see her because I wasn a car stopped, Alan Zoca saw me, I went to the car, took a picture with the guy, then a motorbike stopped, I took it, my problem is when the person sees from afar and keeps recording hidden, you know? I think it's a kind of uncomfortable situation.

No, there are some very strange situations, man, we were there, me, Edu, you and Maite in a burger, I'm going to get here. Yeah, I'll ask to the moon number. Get it. I can see you. So I can I do. I speak to spies as personal. I'll talk to me and do the main. So I can see what I'm doing. I'll do the part. I still don't know.

They want to. Yeah, you'll find a person. I said, I did. You're going to stay in the picture and Gaston cut me almost entirely in this picture to not put there because who is this guy, you know? I don't want a picture of this guy here it was very funny, even

but these are some bizarre situations, man these are bizarre situations bizarre things happen like, it's not an obvious level there are several levels of fame, right? like, there's Neymar of But there are other levels. I'm well known everywhere I go nowadays.

Sometimes I see, depending on the place, that there are a lot of people who will be... I don't know, I won't be able to enjoy the place. I stop going. It happened to me going to my aunt's house. This was before the pandemic.

It was one of the last times. I went to my aunt's house was leaked. And then, man, they started going to the beach. I was at the beach, at the sea. Formed a line, like, at the sea, asking me to leave the sea to take a picture. I left, right? Obviously, right? In a white suit.

In a suit, without a shirt.

Yeah, so, in a berman, right? I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm when we're off in a restaurant, you speak lower. So I think people don't see you as a person. And there are people who don't know you, who like to belittle you.

Sometimes I say, I'm working with the biggest streamer in Brazil, but I don't know this guy. But I walk with you, we went to a place where I drink coffee, all the staff wants to take a picture, everyone went without a partner, everyone stops and looks. I already noticed with Alan, even if we are on the street, we keep walking, man. We keep walking, you know? I've already gone ahead, let's go, let's go, let's go. But up close, we're walking, man, I think two to three people at least take a look, like...

Like, who... Ah, I recognize this face, the little glasses, right? So... Change glasses. Yeah, change glasses. I think Edu is a bit like that, man. Alan, if we're in an environment, like, if we go to a Cabum party, a streamer party, all streamers are also kind of aware that Alan is there, you know? This is a different level of fame, you know?

It's like a Brad Pitt of life entering an environment and everyone who is in the environment knows who he is, you know? And Alan has very few places where he can be anonymous, right? is I never thought about living abroad. I don't know, I've traveled to many places, right? And there wasn't a place that I said, damn, I would live here, you know? I don't know, it's not the same thing, culture, food, right? I don't know, I think the closest place, like,

from São Paulo, maybe, New York, but even so, I say, damn, would I live here? I think I don't have plans, no. I'm just a me to set a long way to a famosa. Moot temple to me now. Yo host a moot or a conceivable in town. It is a factor. We're going to Brazil.

We can't part.

I was killed.

He opened. We'll have a new year. He went to my oracle meal. Convicts are so insidious. Cooper was going to a negotiate. I don't know if it's because of Alan, there's someone who's 13 who sees him, there's someone who's 50, and all social classes, he doesn't... So, sorry Edu.

No, but I feel like, I like living outside because here I'm anonymous and I don't feel like I'm being watched. Because when I go to Brazil, and you guys touched on this subject a little bit, I feel like I'm being watched. I know I'm being watched, because basically, wherever I go, I'm being watched because basically anywhere I go I'm approached and I have no problem being approached But I think I wouldn't like it to be my day to day And so it's a mix of like, man, I'm grateful for the people who accompany me But at the same time I like to be nobody

I like to be anonymous And that in Brazil for me doesn't exist And so I think it's cool to put it in perspective because I'm going to talk about my numbers And then keep in mind that for Alan it's even more On my YouTube channel, I would guess that about 30 million people have already followed at some point Because the channel has almost 10 million and it's kind of 50-50 between subscribers and non-subscribers that follow

That already gives 20 million And thinking about the extras that followed in the past, stopped following, that expand a little these numbers are about 30 million people my audience is mostly male so it varies between 80 to 90% male think that within the age range that I reach, which would be from teenagers to about 40, 45 years

75% of the audience is that? man, practically any man who sees me on the street, who is my age a little more knows who I am. It's almost that, you know? So it really gives me a feeling of being observed that I don't like it. I like talking to people, but I wouldn't like it if it were every day. And that's why I'm very grateful for living abroad, but that's up to each one of us, you know? Don't get me wrong, I'm not being ungrateful, I'm not being a star, it's just that I like to have my own life,

and I'm just being anyone, you know? I'm just going through it so you can understand, right? It's hard to say it like that, right? Because I also love it, I like it when people know me and treats me like a normal person Because normally when people see me they're like Oh my god, that's awesome, I'll take a picture, cool But when people know me and treat me like a normal person, I think it's really cool, I can talk better

Which is really rare It's rare, and in the academy it's happening a lot I don't know if there are people who don't know me or know who I am, but treat me normally. And I can talk to them without them knowing who I am. It's very good. We have very random conversations. I thought about it very consciously when we met.

I didn't watch you all the time. He's my husband, because I met him before. We're doing a really cool job together. So we went out to dinner, actually lunch, and we had a general conversation.

And that's rare, right? Alan Mills said, it's hard to know who to trust, because everyone wants something from me. Everyone wants something from him. He's going to record a reel with someone and the fame will grow from the person. And precisely this projection of Alan Zoca, not Alan.

People think that Alan Zoca is Alan. And it's a part of the personality, man, as we repeated here. But again, it's a very strange existence. I think you take that out of the letter. I think you isolate yourself because of that. And I think it's going to be difficult, man, to find people who don't know who you are. is He will never act natural with you and he will never get to know you for real, you know? Which is a privilege, right? Being a friend, getting to know Alan more.

Alan is a really cool guy and few people have this kind of access to them. And always respecting a lot, right? Like we said, Maite also worked here and a lot of people invade her privacy a lot. I think one of the most annoying things that I know you don't like about Maite is, ah, tell Alan that this, tell Alan to play this, tell Alan this here.

This is very annoying.

This is very annoying, like, they are different people, so, anyway, avoid doing it, approach Alan, give him a hug, you can say how much it means, but remember that he is a person, man, I know, again, we are not complaining, we are all very lucky guys, show is a blessing The life that Alan has, I imagine you couldn't even visualize it when you started streaming, right? Wow, no, I had no idea, it started as a joke, right? Did you think you would get to this level? Man, when I started the channel, I didn't even intend to make money, I couldn't make money at the time

It was just the beginning What was the name? Electronics Desire, right? Electronics Desire I Who recruited you, Edu or me? I don't know, I think it was Gringo, I think it was Gringo I don't remember dealing with Alan No, it was Gringo, I talked directly with the Gringos You were partners in the Overwatch World Cup, right?

Yeah, yeah

That's funny

I was very curious about that, Alan Tell us a little bit, like, from memory, right?

You don't have to get everything What were the craziest experiences that your career has brought you?

Craziest?

The most random was playing Code with Neymar at his house in Paris.

With Hayashi, it was funny.

With Hayashi, I never imagined. Out of nowhere he came to play Code with Neymar and it was fun. I never imagined that at someone's house like that, playing... That was his peak too, Neymar's peak. It was fun, I never imagined that in someone's house like this, like, play... And that was his peak too, right? It was Neymar's peak. Yeah, it was, it was really cool. The Overwatch experience itself was kind of crazy, right?

Yeah, Overwatch was also fun, it was, wow, it was crazy, Edu knows, he... Oh my God, only those who were there... I think the word crazy defines it very well, It's a more literal sense of the word crazy That experience Wow guys, I have no idea

Was the experience chaotic?

It was, our team was insane

Insane again in the literal sense I remember the video of you two sitting on the head of a bed I think inside a hotel room One looking at the other And then you could notice that you already knew each other But maybe you didn't know each other

And then you were like I remember the video of you two sitting on the head of a bed, I think, inside a hotel room, looking at each other. And then you could tell that you already knew each other, but maybe you didn't know each other that much. And then you were kind of talking to each other and talking a little about what the next match will be, how the event is going. And everyone who was watching from the side was like, bro, how is this going to be? Because, wait, they became pro players now, how is this story? And then you were playing with pro players,

and then people went to watch you there and cheered for you, and the thing didn't go as it should, I don't know. This experience was very surreal, right? It's just that this Overwatch Cup was supposed to be something more, how is the word? Kind of a... A show game, like that. Yeah, a show game, right, of people from the community, right.

But then people ended up voting everything in Pro Player, right, the teams... The gringo teams, right. I don't know if it was the intention, for me the intention was to be kind of a show game, right, with people from the community in general. And I didn't ask to vote for me, right, honestly, they voted there, but then we showed up there, it was fun, it was an experience. We played there as if it were a professional game, there was the media, the media part,

the place and such, it was a lot of fun, but it was crazy too. Like, in the part of the people we had to deal with there, it was even funny, I'm thinking about it today, and other crazy things too, like going to Z3, I never imagined that before The first event I've been to outside of Brazil was Blizzcon I played WoW for years, I loved Warcraft 3, I still play a little bit Blizzcon was the first event I've been to, I don't remember if it was already announced

I think it was already announced, but it was really fun So those were the experiences of going to these events. Before I went, for the first time, I never imagined I would go, honestly. Even because I was afraid of flying. The first time I went by plane, I was afraid.

How cute!

No, it wasn't the first time, it was the second. The first time I went by plane was with MyT, actually, when we went to Porto de Galinhos. international travel. I still had a goal, but then I lost the fear. I wanted to add something to the Overwatch World Cup, because the communication that came to me through Blizzard Brazil, that the World Cup would be a friendly event. And my initial reaction was, man, I have no way of participating in this because I like the game, but I'm not a pro player, I don't play well.

Then they reaffirmed to me, no, don't worry, this is just a game. Then I said, okay, if it's that good, what happened? They told me something, the event was another, and the culprit was me. It's obvious, right? Like with the machinima things we mentioned in the previous episode, right? That I received orders from the company, I applied and the fault was mine. I was the victim there.

But I thought it was a fun event and it was cool to see the other side. How is the sports issue and a championship and represent a team, a country. But what a hole, man. Our team was very unstable psychologically. A bizarre situation, but I won't go into details. There's some gossip that didn't come out.

I was going to ask you guys, what was that other thing you played? I think it was the YouTubers battle, was it something like that? It was Legends of Gaming. Yeah, Legends of Gaming. I think they wrote Baxedu too, right? Baxedu is from an interview with Globo. Gaming. I participated in the first one, that's it. There were a lot of people, who's here? Funk, Zigueira, Leon, Authentic Games, Patife, Fenix, a lot of people, man. It's a lot of history, right?

He was known as Ed, or Alan Zorc. Yeah, I always called him Ed, even. Oh yeah? Yeah, so, the guys call him Ed, Electronic Desire. My name is Alan, right? I It was very natural, I like when these things happen naturally. Because when he said that, it wasn't to viralize, right? And these things viralize, it's really cool when it viralizes organically.

And this idea of the killer Edo is also very good, right? Who made the guys randomly taking some old clips and creating a story, wow. Is there any meme of yours, specific, that you... Obviously, it wasn't you who did it, but you look and say, this one is cool. Man, the worst thing is that there are several, but like, in my head I don't know, because

who sees more of my memes is Maite, to tell you the truth. Because she uses TikTok a lot, right? And Instagram Reels, I don't use any of that. So I don't see it, it's rare to see. I'm going as a shorty he did you go my cousin okay? Fine, so there was a concert on my life to make you name, brava, you know Come as a dark side of the main my mistake by standing up. It's all face move to keep you in the court with a montage in grassada

I can't see this a move done with us because there's no I think you're my own name in a story They'll never do to pull or impression on the guy I'll beada, I think so. I don't know, man. I think the impressive thing is that it took a long time in a time when everyone was connected. The Bilada meme comes from the end of 2010, the beginning of 2011, and it took a long time.

And then it stays, right? It has a long life.

But the impressive thing, I don't know. And every time there's a bad game in these awards, Alan says, I'll leave this one for my friend BRK and Edu. Every time I laugh. Any game that you don't like, leave it for BRK. Leave it for him to play, because for me it won't work.

The worst games possible. Leave it for Edu. Guys, I have one last question, which is a relevant question in my opinion to ask Alan, but first I'll bring Alura's public, right? So you can stay here in the public. So we will thank Alura, which is a partner of Dbite. Alura is the largest technology school in Brazil. It has excellent courses at the school, including careers with human curatorship for you to organize your studies.

At Alura you receive certificate of completion as soon as you finish the courses. And using the Dbiteite you get 15% off there's a link in the description and QR code on the screen for more information and Alan, actually it's not even a question, but I wanted you to talk about the current moment of Twitch, how you see Twitch and if you see yourself switching platforms for streaming

Dude, Twitch, I felt like it took a hit, right? In general not only here in Brazil, I think that after the pandemic, the pandemic had a boom of streaming platform. changed Twitch's policies, a lot of people complaining about a lot of things, right, about ads, they still complain too much about advertising. I saw that the number of everyone has decreased a lot in the last year, I think, after they mainly put some anti-bot measures there, but not that they were bots, right, but I felt that after that, it decreased in general, even streamers that I really Peanut, and the Game Awards event, where a lot of people came to watch. But I don't know, I feel like people are... Now that there's a lot of people doing live in other places, I think it's kind of dissolving the audience.

There's a lot of people going to Kik, a lot of people on YouTube, there's people who just want to watch it live on YouTube Because Twitch is lagging Some people want to watch it here because there's no ad And I still like Twitch as a platform I think it's the best place for people to watch the live The chat is very good too I haven't done a live on YouTube yet But I like to have my content separate

You know that you'll find my live on Twitch And if you want to see the live in a better quality Also edited with some cuts, you'll see it on YouTube, it's there on YouTube. So it's the same content, but it won't be live on YouTube. And Twitch, I don't know, it's a good decline. Before I had a lot of contact with Twitch staff, 2016 until 2020, I talked a lot with Twitch staff.

And man, it's been a few years since I've talked to anyone on Twitch. I don't even know who works on Twitch anymore, with all due respect, if I'm like that, but... I would even say that, sometimes they try, but... One of the backstage, the Twitch CEO wanted to talk to Alan, and Alan said, man, I don't have much to talk to this guy, essentially, right? Yeah, because it seemed that it would be more, in our assessment, an opportunity for the CEO to take a picture with Alan,

than Alan actually sitting down and giving a huge feedback that probably would not have any impact, right, man? So, and there are people from the Twitch staff who can make themselves available in Brazil, but they are also very limited in what they can do, you know? They won't make the decisions and just take the blows, right? So...

Yeah, but I didn't have a problem with Twitch recently, to the point that I need someone to solve my problem I say in the sense that, like... before I had a direct contact, like... to talk, they even became friends of mine, right? at the time, the last... at least 4 people worked on Twitch recently

I had a more direct contact, like... but they tried, right? To organize this... I didn't understand very well, they wanted me to have dinner with the Twitch CEO I'm going to give feedback to the CEO, but I'm not going to give feedback either. It's just that for you it hasn't changed much. Alan, I think you already talked about it, you don't have a contract with them, right? You don't have any contracts. I can also bring that Kik wanted to make a proposal to Alan and we said,

he won't accept it if he wants to bring the number out of curiosity, but Kik also stopped making this contract, the people who are there also stream organically, because here they pay the value if you stream only there and pay the value if you stream simultaneously. Also at the beginning of our relationship, we went to Google with our dear Doug, who has already participated here, who is no longer working with Games. He talked to you about the opportunity to do simultaneous live, but you it too, right? It's almost like I don't care about what's working, right? Because it's very simple, it's one more job, right? What did you think about all this simultaneous live and stuff? Everyone is doing simultaneous live, right? Even the gringo streamers that I follow, right?

Lyric, my favorite streamer, he's doing simultaneous live, anyway, Cocardia, people do live even on Twitter, right? On X, currently, right? I don't know, I think I like to do it in one place only, because then I can direct all my energies to that place, you know? I'm going to do a good live here on Twitch, and this is where my live is. Then I'm going to make my video on YouTube with good quality, because I record everything in 4K and post it on YouTube.

So there on YouTube you will find the same live in 4K, it will not be live, but it will be with quality for you who want to watch it, it will be cut off, right? if I go to the bathroom and such I've considered doing it in two places, like that think, just to do a test, do it on YouTube and on Twitch at the same time but then I think it will overlap my YouTube content because I take the live content to YouTube and if I do live on YouTube and on Twitch at the same time I'll be taking two't know, upload the live video, I don't know, and then I think it will overlap the content.

That's why I didn't do it until now, right? Because YouTube, whether or not I get a better quality than Twitch, right? Live, right? Bitrate, there's AV1 available, Twitch is still far behind in that sense, I think, I don't know how's bad, I'm releasing 1440p now, but there are still a lot of problems And I wanted to do a better quality live, but Twitch is still far behind

And releasing now, you can go back to the video, like on YouTube, you know? You can go back there and whenever you want to release it, there's little time And it's already an advance But I still think it's the best place to watch, right? I'm to YouTube and I intend to keep it that way unless I go crazy and I want to test it, but I don't know, honestly. Well, guys, we've reached the end of this very special episode, the hundredth episode. We talked a little about it, actually it's the hundredth first because David invented the pilot C0, but it's okay.

There was a moment missing. Look, the viewers of the debate now have a little clock to know the moment of the attack. And now it was at the end this time. And then, anyway, a very special guest as well as Alan. If you don't know The Byte, every Monday at noon we are here. We talk about everything, games, industry, whatever, media, a lot too. Sometimes we have guests, sometimes we don't.

So we invite you to start with us this year. Thank you very much again to Alan, who I know is a little out of his comfort zone, he doesn't do that much, he did and made himself available, he was very nice, so we thank you, we know that the people asked a lot, so thank you very much, Alan, I don't know if you want to say goodbye

or if we can go. Thank you, thank you for the invitation, congratulations for the project, I follow a lot, I will continue to follow, if you have any future participation there to comment on something else, some other subject, except without me, anything, we are there too. No, I like to talk about me too, but if you have something else, I also like to talk about anything, anyway, but anything related to the world of games, technology,

I really like it too, you can call, and thank you for the invitation, it was really cool to participate. We're in this together. Thanks, man. We're in this together. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Have a good week.