BEDANYA NABI ISA & JESUS CHRIST PART 1

♪ Actually, talking about religion helps me more. And what's interesting is that behind my insecurity, and I'm always insecure, because every time I want to continue, I'm always scared. It turns out that it represents a lot of people who have similar questions. Really? Yes. And what still becomes a miracle for me is how other people are encouraged to be better as Muslims afraid of being criticized.

I'm not afraid of being criticized. I'm not afraid of being criticized. I'm not afraid of being criticized. I'm not afraid of being criticized. I'm not afraid the reasons, but I think my happiness is... ...the car must be filled with gasoline first, then we can drive. For me, it's like filling the car with gasoline first.

At the time, I was sure that if the gasoline was filled, meaning the understanding was filled, meaning that the understanding was correct. I knew and wanted to go, and I went because the gasoline was already there. And I hope the journey will be long, because the gasoline is already full.

I like the analogy, because it emphasizes that we don't need to care about the results. What's important is the reason. Yes. And that's it. Maybe this is the reason, maybe not.

But I want to avoid just the robotic ritual.

I agree. Because it's the biggest problem for me as a Muslim. I'm afraid that everything will become a ritual. We talked about Hajj and Umrah yesterday. In my life, I avoid Umrah twice a year. Because I'm afraid it will become a ritual or a job.

Yes, that's right. Today we're talking about something, because the world, Christmas and the central of it, is the birth of Jesus, or for Muslims, Prophet Jesus. So today we're going to talk about that because one day I realized

I don't know much about the Prophet. Actually, I don't know much about the Prophet. But my point is, why do I know Jesus better than the Prophet?

Okay.

Does it make sense?

It makes sense.

Where's your school?

Gonzaga. Gonzaga? It makes sense. Where is your school? Gonzaga. The Gonzaga School.

Katowlicz School.

That's right.

So, I personally am more familiar with Jesus than Prophet Jesus, who is actually the prophet of my religion. So, that's why it's called football, because there are many things that are basic. And once again, it is, there will be a collaboration, Before Iftar, an event before opening. Actually, Ustaz, I don't know if it has been told or not,

it will be on air. Oh yeah? Oh yeah, I heard. It will be on air. And it will be closed with an event, of course, Before Iftar, which Usmari Ismail. Now we're going to try to go to a bigger venue. Because the venue we chose,

the place below is a place of worship, a place for prayer, it's really big. So it will be more accurate. But now we're talking about Nabi Isa. The premise is, who is he? And, how do you say it? How to separate the belief in the Muslim community from the others.

Maybe because there are many pop culture products against Jesus. Like the film Da Vinci Code. Okay, right. That's the, I want to say the myth of Jesus, but Jesus is central there. And that's the film about, it turns out that Jesus has a descendant, that woman.

Yes, from Maria Magdalena. Right, Maria Magdalena. That's her theory, though. And because I like Indiana Jones,

so I like that kind of films.

Oh, conspiracy.

Yes, right. Oh, a conspiracy. Yes, that's right. Even... I'm sorry, don't be offended. Even the reason I went to Vatican is because of Angels and Demons.

You're looking for this, right? Where's West Ponente? Yes, that's right.

Did you get it? No, I didn't.

It's there. But more... After I got to Vatican, I was more like, wow, this is crazy. You immediately remember every place, right? I'm very appreciative of the historical aspect, and the artistic aspect. How long were you in Vatican?

A day.

A day? Not even to Rome?

Oh yeah, to Rome.

How long were you in Rome? I think... two nights, if I'm not mistaken. I just came back from Rome. Oh yeah? From Vatican. I've never been to... I'm sorry, I've never been to another city in Italy. Okay.

Only Rome and Vatican?

Yeah, only Rome and Vatican. But it's cool.

If I may recommend, if you go there again tomorrow, you have to go to Florence.

What, the historical aspect or the beauty aspect?

I'll give you one word, you definitely have to go there. Florence? Florence is the birthplace of Renaissance. You want to go right away, right?

Great.

The birthplace of Renaissance.

The birthplace of Renaissance. If Angels and Demons, it's in Vatican. If after that, there's... what's it called? After that, there's Inferno. It's in Florence.

Oh yeah? I've watched Inferno, I forgot. It's in Florence?

It's in Florence. If, for example, Inferno, Florence, then Istanbul.

It's cool.

Okay.

After Florence, we'll and then Istanbul. Okay. After Florence, we'll go to Istanbul.

Okay. But this is a blank. We're going back to Prophet Isa.

Prophet Isa. Okay.

Because... So, if Ustaz Felixian asked, what do you know about Prophet Isa? I blanked. But what do you know about Jesus? I can tell you about Joseph,

and then there's a star, and then there's a star, and then there's Barn, what's the name of Barn? Yes, there's Barn, and then Jesus was born there.

Have you ever watched the movie? What movie? Passion of Christ. Yes, I have. If I'm not mistaken, it's the story of Mel Gibson. Oh yeah, right. Mel Gibson, who one who played at the gym. Right. He was also... Well, it's weird. But I think it's because Home Alone,

the center is also the birth of the prophet, the prophet Jesus. So, the pop culture influence towards Jesus Christ is huge. As a Muslim, the question is,

why don't I know about the prophet Jesus?

Okay, I want to test your knowledge about Jesus. Jesus, where is he from?

Bethlehem.

He was born in Bethlehem. But where is he from? He was born in Bethlehem. But where is he from?

Arab.

Arab.

It's okay, that's good.

Middle East. Middle East. Because I want to explain from there first. Arab. Arab. It's okay, it's good. It's already halfway.

Middle East. Middle East. Because I want to explain from there first. Because most people start to misunderstand when it comes to Jesus. That they think Jesus is a white person. That's right. No, right? No.

Because until now the debate is in the United States. Right. And I've seen a comedian who went to America. He's an Arab Christian. And people immediately, they couldn't understand it. They immediately had a cognitive dissonance.

Why? Because how can you be an Arab and Christian? Because for them, Arab is Muslim. Muslim is Arab. When they saw him, how can you be a Christian? Where are you from? Then he said, if I may remind you, there is a very famous person

in my place, originally from Palestine. If I want to tell you, there is a very famous person as a Christian in my place. His name is Jesus. You know.

Isn't that the joke of Sammy Obeid?

There is another one before that.

So, Semih Obeid is a Muslim. He's a Christian. He's a Christian and a Palestinian. And it's like it doesn't connect. Even now, we still can't connect. The Palestinian-Christian can't connect.

Even though we have to know first, before we talk about Jesus, we have to know the context. First, we need to know that there is a place when Prophet Ibrahim moved, Prophet Ibrahim was originally from Iraq. In the Mesopotamia region. The name of the city is Ur-Kasdim.

At that time, the name was not Iraq.

The name was Mesopotamia. Sumeria. So the name of the city is Ur-Kasdim or Ur of the Chaldeans. So the city of Ur Kasdim is at the end of the Persian Gulf. He emigrated from there, he moved to the north. Until he arrived in a city called Haran. Haran is now the city of Sanliurfa in Turkey.

Because the area is just that. Until he arrived in Haran, he went to a place called Kanaan. If you read the Bible, you know Kanaan. Because Kanaan is mentioned in the Bible. After he went to Kanaan, Abraham was born in Kanaan. Or Abraham in our view.

His first wife was Sarah. But because he didn't have a child, he had a second wife after she was allowed to marry him. Her name was Bunda Hajar. Who was Bunda Hajar? Bunda Hajar was the daughter of Egypt.

How come it was Egypt? Kanaan was a floodplain. It was a floodplain. That's why the story of Nabi Nuh and all that was in that area. When it was flooding, it wasn't just flooding, it was a drought. So it was flooding, it's a drought. So it's already flooded, it's a drought.

Because of the severity of this land, when it floods, it goes to Egypt, and from there it is given to the Egyptian princess named Hajar. Hajar's mother was married and then had a child named Ismail. Ismail was her first child. Ismail, after being born,

a few decades later, was born named Ishak. The second child of from Sarah's mother. Now, in short, Sarah's mother later had Ishak, Ishak had a son named Ya'akub. Ya'akub is described as Israel. Now Israel later had 12 children.

These 12 children were one of the Prophet Yusuf's.

At this moment, almost everyone in the world is centered on one family, right?

Abraham.

Correct.

If we look at this, it will be easier to see Jesus. Because there are already 12 children, one of the descendants is called Judah, later known as Yahudi. Yehuda, some say it's from Lewi, but clearly, the descendants of Israel are called Yehuda.

Sorry, I want to repeat it again. So, Ismail...

Ismail is from Bundah Hajar. Ismail is a child from Bundah Hajar. Bundah Sarah is from Ishak.

Ishak. From Ishak, then...

Ya'kub. Ya'kub.

Jacob.

From Ismail? From Ismail, he will descend to Prophet Muhammad. Okay. And then, after Ya'kub, what about the Jews? Jacob has 12 children. The eldest child is called Yehuda. Yehuda.

Yehuda, and later, his name is Jus from there. So if we look at Jacob, or Jacob had 12 children, one of them was Yusuf, and the other was Yehuda. Now, Jesus is a descendant of Yehuda.

He's Jewish.

He's Jewish. So there are several opinions. Some say he's a descendant of Yehuda, some say he's a descendant of Lewi. But I'm taking the opinion from the Jewish descendant. But he's Jewish. He's clearly Jewish.

But why are you taking that? What's the basis of the Stavritz?

Because there is a belief and also evidence that the prophets are definitely from the Lewi's descendant. Because Lewi is one of the 12 children who were entrusted as a prophet. So Moses is from Lehi. Moses is from the lineage of Lehi. Jesus is from the lineage of Judah. I know that. But this is debatable. We also...

The interesting thing about Christians is that they accept a lot of differences. Because they say, in this tradition, the tradition is sometimes far apart. But it's okay.

So I take the tradition as Judah. So Jesus is a Jew. And he lives in a Jewish community in the area of Canaan. I said earlier that Abraham lives in Canaan. Since there are so many Jews there, the area is called Jewish area.

Judea from the word Jew. Earlier, Jews became Jews, so the area was called Judea. Judea entered the territory of the Romans in 63 AD.

Wow.

It was through the Emperor Pompey. The Emperor Pompey conquered Judea, and then placed the governors there, who were also called kings. From there we know the name King Herod. Herod, King Herod. He was actually the governor of Rome.

Now, the story is, if we know Jesus from here, we can understand that there was a place called Judea, with a religion called Judaism. The community structure is already there. After the community structure is already there, suddenly Jesus appears.

Where is Jesus from? Okay, this is the difference. In Islam, it is said that Mary does not have a husband. Christians are the same, although sometimes they say husband, but actually not husband,

fiancee. The fiancee's name is Joseph. Joseph, right? Even though he's call him husband, but actually he's not a husband, he's an engagement. His engagement is called Joseph. Joseph, right? Even though he's not married yet. Now, in the story, Maria meets the angels. What's interesting about Maria is that she's actually a servant at the Baitul Maqdis.

Where did you hear that from? So here's the story. is a servant in Baytul Maqdis. How do you know that? So, here's the story. According to Christians, Christians also understand the name Zakaria. Zakaria has a wife. Her name is Elizabeth.

According to one Christian tradition, Elizabeth is Maria's cousin. According to another tradition, Maria is her stepdaughter. So, there are different traditions. But, what is clear is that it is related. So Elizabeth is related to Maria.

Maria's family wanted her to serve the Baitul Maqdis. But in the old days, the name that could be served was the male child. This is in the Quran. It turns out that a woman appeared. Have you, the Quran says that it is a woman who appears. Have you heard of Ali Imran? Ali Imran is the father of Maryam.

Christian tradition is different. The difference is that Maryam is not married in Islam. She is married there. Or engaged. She should be serving in Bay Baitul Magdis. Right?

Well, because he was supposed to serve in the Baitul Magdis, because he was supposed to be a man, but he was actually born a woman, he was assigned to Zakaria. His job at that time was to take care of the Baitul Magdis. In the Baitul Magdis, in're going to be pregnant. He said, crazy, why am I pregnant? No, he didn't say crazy.

That's my story.

Refreshing, right?

Refreshing, right?

Why can I be pregnant? I've never done anything to a man. It is said that this is the decision of Allah. You will have a child. This child will later become an important person. Will be a holy person. Holy and important. Then Mary gave birth.

After giving birth, finally when she gave birth, there was a census of the population in the Romans. According to some people, this census was approved

because there were people who said the Messiah was coming soon. There is a new king. Herodotus said, a new king? I'm the king. Why is there a new king. Herodotus said, a new king? I am the king.

Why is there a new king? People's census. People's census, I want every man who appears to be killed.

Wow.

That's why it's called census. At first, they were in Nazareth, two people. Joseph and Mary, who are pregnant. But there is a census. This is a Christian story. When there is a census, this is a Christian story, when there is a census, they go to their original place.

When they go, they are born in Bethlehem. So according to Christians, after Jesus was born, he ran to Egypt first. For several years until the Herodotus died. The story according to them, only after that went back to Judea. They taught Jesus in several cities until he was 30. At 30, he was baptized by John the Baptist. Who was John's son? Zacharias.

So Zacharias had a son named John. So we called him Yahya. Yahya, then Jesus was baptized. I've said before, baptism is like a mandatory bath. That's where Jesus' Jesus' salvation began. It only took 3 years, until according to Christians,

he was crucified, and according to us, he was lifted. But the end of the story is the same. Because according to Christians, he was crucified, died, then rose again, and then lifted. We skipped the process. We skipped the crucib. What if it's a wrong note? Oh my God.

But that's the difference, right? If we want to say the difference. So we skip the salib and the resurrection, but we're lifted to heaven. That's a little brief about Jesus. So we have to know first, he's a Jew. Second, according to Christians, sorry, according to Romans, they view Jesus as a Jew who preached the Jewish religion.

How they have been dealing with Jews since the beginning. That's it for the Romans.

It was said that it was only three years, right?

Yes. The preaching period. The preaching period or the prophethood period? The preaching period. Because as far as I know, since he was born, he has been in quotation marks, he's been really, really magic.

In the Quran, he is said to speak while still in his mother's womb, in the womb. He has spoken. Then in the Bible, it is told that at 12 years old, he can Taurat experts. So we can think like this. I used to think, debating the Taurat experts is easy. Nowadays, the netizens are also debating. But it's different. In the past, the text was not owned by everyone. So the text, the book or the holy book pages were not owned by everyone.

Because there was no printing machine. First, the text is rare. Second, even if there is, not everyone can read it. Because not everyone can read it. Reading can only be understood by some elite groups among the people. So it's amazing that in 12 years, this child has knowledge about Taurut. I mean, it's weird. Where did he learn from?

His father is not a stranger, suddenly he has knowledge and can debate the Taurid, even though he doesn't have access to it.

I'm trying to understand the condition...

Slowly, okay? Yes, the condition when Prophet Isa returned to Judea. Judea. From Egypt. It is said that he taught there.

Correct.

And his conviction is that he taught Jewish teachings Jesus said, I did not come to destroy the Torah, but to cover it That is what is very well known in Christianity Covering what Moses brought

He did not destroy what Moses brought, he covered it

Then it became a religious teaching.

When was it? Yes.

It turns out...

According to Islam and according to...

I don't believe in Islam, but according to the tradition of Christians. Christians themselves were only called Christians when they were in Antioch. In Antioch. Antioch is now in Antakya, Turkey.

Before that, they were not called Christians. They were only called the Jewish messianic sect. The messianic sect, which is believed to be the day of retribution.

You know this because you were a religious teacher?

I didn't learn like this before. After I entered Islam, I felt that I should learn more about Prophet Isa. That's why I learned more. So I finally understood that they weren't called Christians from the beginning. But they were probably just called Christians about 20 or 30 years after Jesus died. They were just called Christians.

Before that, they were called Jews. Jews. That's still a debate. Not only not many agree that he's not white, many also disagree that he's a Jew.

Right. And then, there's a lot of debate. For example, black people in America believe Jesus is black. Because in the Bible, Jesus is skinned like a lamb.

Which is very normal if we see the race of Jews. They are skinned like a lamb, which is not white. But in the pictures, we see Jesus is always white.

Yes, that's right.

It depends. For example, the picture of the Chinese is thin.

I just said that.

Yes, it's a Chinese person, it's a bit... I just said that. Yes, it's true. There's a Chinese Jesus.

Right. So everyone has their own interpretation of Jesus. But Jesus is clearly a human being.

This is what I want to learn. And I'm sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic. But many experts, even those who are not Muslims, have the belief that the Messengerulullah is a historical figure because his physical evidence is there. The opposite is their assumption

that Prophet Isa, or Jesus Christ, is still debated as a real a true person or not.

But from the description of Stratford-Yao, there are many incidents, places, and all kinds of things. Yes, there are many incidents. And I think there are also many authentic evidences that say that. For example, if we look at the evidence there, but Jesus's life is already clear. It's one century, let's say. Although there is a more detailed explanation.

One century to 33 centuries, for example, when he was crucified in the tradition of Christians, but for us, he was raised, for example. Now, the word Jama'ah just appeared around the 1950s. So the word Jama'ah, Christian, just appeared in the 1950s.

Yes, around 20-25 years later.

And what they preach, in quotation marks, are people who were with Jesus.

The disciples?

Yes, 12 disciples. So they really existed and Jesus really existed. And indeed, the notes from the Bible when they were confirmed with the notes that can't be debated anymore, this is similar. from the Bible when it is confirmed with unarguable notes, it is similar, not similar, but it is just right.

For example, Herodotus when he gave the census, it was there. There was also Quirinius when he gave the census, it was there. And it was also in the Bible. So it means it is a match between the history of what is written in the Bible. It means that if this person is said to exist or not, he exists. other prophets, so that he can inspire the birth of a new religion. Yes, if we look at it like this. Actually, I don't agree with the term new religion.

But he just said that I only follow what Moses brought. It means that from the beginning, the Prophet was like that. No one brought a new religion. For example, Moses went to Aaron. Moses was followed by Aaron. Aaron only followed what Moses said.

Aaron then went to Yusha, Bin Nun. Yusha also only followed what Aaron said. The same thing with Jesus. I think Jesus never brought anything new. He only said, what I teach is already there. I just apply it.

That's why they say, Christian scholars say that Jesus used to say, the teaching is the way. The way. Asirat in Islamic language. In the Quran, Jesus himself said,

Ha'adha siratul mustaqim What I teach is the straight path It means that we understand Oh, it's suitable when the pastors say The teaching is the way Then in the Quran, Jesus said

Ha'adha siratul mustaqim My teaching is the straight path That's it In the Quran Prophet Isa is the 20th prophet? Prophet to... If in the order of the Quran,

yes, the 24th prophet. After that, Prophet Muhammad.

Why did you say that?

Because 24 is written. There are many that are not written. That's from elementary school, 25. 25. But according to Rasulullah, there were 124,000 prophets.

Wow.

That's a lot.

Compared to 25,000. Yes. So, there were 124,000 prophets, but they were all covered by Prophet Muhammad.

So, the assumption is that Prophet Isa continued the previous teachings of Rasulullah, which was perfected. Which means, in the understanding of Islam, all of it is actually one teaching. Only in Rasulullah, what has been happening all this time,

is Islam. More to it, from the beginning, it was Islam. Only the name was formulated, the last one is Islam. For example, like this.

Because it's one teaching, actually. The order is the same as Allah. For example, Because it's one teaching, it's the same as Allah.

Correct.

For example, what is the characteristic of Prophet Isa? First, he was handsome. Which prophet is not handsome? He was very handsome. Rasulullah said,

he met Prophet Isa when he was in Isra' Miraj. It is said that his face always looked wet, as if he had just a shower. That's the face of Prophet Isa. Second, Prophet Isa was very concerned about social conditions. And when he was alive, the condition of the Jews was deteriorating.

Because?

Because of many slander.

Against?

Against their own religion. So, the monopoly on religion is criticized by Prophet Isa. For example, Prophet Isa is very well known in the Bible. He once overturned a table. I said this during a protest. I said,

that's the radical of Prophet Isa. I've never entered a mosque and overturned it. That's the hard form of Prophet Isa. He overturned it because at that time, the good of Allah was made a trading place to trade.

Alms-bowl was still a place to trade. But it was not allowed. It was not allowed to trade in a mosque. So he was angry and he criticized the corrupt practices that happened in religion at that time. That's why he said, why don't we go back to the right text?

Is this also mentioned in the Bible?

It's also mentioned in the Bible? Yes, it is. Jesus then taught people to respect the rich. And finally, he made the poor have no place in society. Do you know what Jesus said? He pointed to a door. There is a door in Jerusalem called the door of the hole of the womb. Because when people enter that door after the sun sets,

the normal doors are closed, they have to go through that door. The door can only be passed by humans. Whereas if people bring camels, the camels must be asked to bow down and then pulled by humans. Half dead.

That's why they say this is the door to the womb. So Jesus once said this, Rich people entering heaven is more difficult than a camel entering a hole. What does it mean? The social condition is being criticized.

It doesn't mean that you can't be rich. It's like what the Prophet said. The Prophet encouraged the poor not to feel jealous of the rich people's lives. Because you have your own heaven. Prophet Jesus also had the same thing.

Prophet Jesus, when there are certain people, for example, the monk Beacuka is considered very low, he accompanies them. He accompanies the weak people among humans. He cares about the weak people among humans. Like other prophets, he establishes justice with people.

So it's not just people who have power that you need to pay attention to. This is it, the kingdom of heaven is here. That's what he explained. That's why it's not strange if he's famous among the weak. And if he's famous among the weak, guess who's being opposed to him? Who's opposing him?

The politicians.

Correct. That's why the one who reported to Romawi that there was tension between the community that was created were the Jewish priests. So the Jews already have their MUI. It's called the...

The Mui. The Jewish People's Council.

Mui.

So they have the MUI.

The MUI is disturbed.

Disturbed. The founder is Sanhedrin. Sanhedrin's founder is led by Kayafas. Some archaeological evidence finally revealed... ...that Kayafas had a city. And it's true.

So, Kayafas is the leader. Kayafas is the leader of the movement to justify Jesus because of his heresy.

Because of his heresy?

Heretic. Because he was a heretic and he disturbed the country's order.

Only that? Because we know that it's still going on. It's still going on.

Only because he's popular. It's popular, so maybe their popularity is decreasing. They reported it. And one more thing. They said that Jesus preached that he was the king of the Jews. So the Romans' point of view was, You're a fool.

Right? So when they were crucified, there was an inscription on it, according. According to Christians, according to us, no. Inri, Inri is Jesus Nazareth Rex Yahudi. So this is Jesus, the king of the Jews. For mocking.

That is, this is what you think is the king. Here, we have crucified him. That's for them, but for us, of course not. So, actually, if at it from there, we can know who made Jesus crucified. The Jews who reported it.

In the story, In the story, there is The Last Supper.