BERANI BONGKAR! SHERLY TJOANDA UNGKAP DALANG TAMBANG ILEGAL MALUKU UTARA SETELAH BUNGKAM!?

Sherly is a metal and gold smuggler in the North Maluku region. And by using her power, Sherly is free to issue mining permits anywhere. Even the death threat of her husband, Benny Laus, is part of her plan to take over all the wealth and business kingdom of the Laus family.

I was transparent from the beginning. I have a stake in several mining companies. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't even have a single permit since I became the governor. What about the media saying that mining is illegal?

Welcome, Mrs. Shirley. Thank you, Mr. Densu. When you came here, there was no title of governor. Today we are sitting with Governor of North Maluku. Can you give a round of applause? I didn't expect to sit here with the governor now. Because at that time I was interviewing an ordinary person, a civilian. So it's okay, we can ask questions, right? But it's still the same, right? We can ask questions directly, right? I'm surprised that you can sit here with the governor now. Because at that time I was interviewing an ordinary person, a civilian.

So it's okay, we can ask questions, right? But it's still the same, right? We can ask questions directly, right? No problem, right? Yes, so it's simple. Yesterday, we've seen a lot of things, people must know. Framing, framing, and also news.

The news is very fast, I was also surprised, it was in the middle of July, August, it was hard, it came out on many platforms, look, skip, skip, skip, skip, why don't you see it well? Because in my opinion, 70% is not true, so it's not 100% wrong, so that's why many ask why not clarification and others, actually I don't really like to discuss problems. Maybe because I'm not used to being a public officer,

so I feel like there are things that are my personal, that don't need to be shared to the public. But then I realized that I am now a public officer. So when the public asks me to answer, yes, I should answer. Then the second, public want to say I'm in Java yeah man I have a snap in Java to see and could do a or some

could get a kit on a month and I'm a good guy to do some time band and or was on by Jack don't mind I need to say near a maroon or lose yeah get the catika kick a good idea and so say October I just say I was

moose but I'm bangin then by Jack say being on her smile and I'm not in a moment I do and it's only October, I have to take care of the mining and taxes. I'm confused where to start. And that makes me uncomfortable. Like, usually things that are handled by the deceased, suddenly I have to handle it,

like losing something, but then realizing that there's really no one to accompany me, I'm really alone, and I don't know anything. That makes me uncomfortable. I felt like I was being denied. I didn't want to talk about it.

That's how it was at first. But because there were so many demands that I had to know, I learned. I couldn't answer something I didn't know. After what happened yesterday,

I chose not to know. I chose to give it to a friend, a late friend. Well, just take care of other things. I don't want to know. I don't want to think about it. Because maybe from the outside, it looks like I can handle everything.

But it's not that simple either. So I need time to handle things slowly. Because every time I handle things on my own, it makes me realize that I'm alone now.

So you're sad. Yes, you're alone now.

And you have to be a mother, a father, and a public official. Sometimes you cry alone. is foreign I feel like whatever I answer will be questioned. So I am careful in answering. But after I learned everything, and after I consulted, I consulted with the Ministry of Health, the KPK, the BPK,

before that to ask. I am transparent from the beginning. I have a stake in several mining companies because they are my descendants. When my late father passed away, there were descendants who were my children. So what? Based on the explanation and regulation of the law that is happening in Indonesia, I, as a citizen of Indonesia,

when I became a public official and had a previous business, there was nothing wrong. So I can still be a stockholder, but I can't be a manager. So before I was appointed, I left all the company management. Oh, I see.

Yes. So from all the company's management. Oh, I see. Yes. So from all the news that was there, it's true, I have a share of my late father's assets, which has been owned since 2018, 2020, even below those years. And then now my name is there because of the inheritance. And my children's names are also there. They're inside?

Yes. But is the permission granted when I become the governor? No. The permission can be opened. So all my property, as a public official, can be opened.

There's a thing called LHKPN.

LHKPN.

If it's opened, everything is there. So when you want to see if everything is what I have, just open it, look and compare. Then, you can also see the year there, there is 2018, there is 2020, there is the one below it. And that happened before this year 2025. So, they always claim that there is a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest is when I use my position for my own interest,

while all the permits have been there in 2018-2020, even before there was a governor's nomination, even before I became governor in 2025.

Well, if for example the issue of the extension of the permit until today, from the land that you have, I mean, you are in it, even though not as a manager,

have you signed any permits? No, I haven't even signed a permit since I became a governor. To be known, the current laws the governor has no authority to sign any permits anymore.

We can only give recommendations. Recommendations that this green area has the potential to be a WIUP, has the potential to rise to become WIUP, then later it will rise to become IUP, to the ministries.

The one who issued the permit was the ministries. The governor has no authority to issue a permit. The current governor is different from the previous governor. And then, from the news, there is only one that has been operated.

Which one?

The one that Karyawijaya has been operating. Oh, the one that Karyawijaya has been operating. Yes, and it has just been operated this year, in the middle of this year. Then there is a claimed about environmental impact, there is no such thing on the ground, even the BPKRI just, the BPKRI just came out of there a few weeks ago,

there is no such thing, I have sent my own team, because I am not in charge of the operation, I am not in charge of the operation, if I ask the person in charge, he will definitely answer, no, right? operational operational operational operational operational

operational operational operational We work with BPKRI to increase regional income. One of them is by visiting all the islands related to land use tax, heavy equipment tax. Even before BPKRI wanted to go down, the SDM KDIS asked, Ma'am, BPKRI wants to go down to the islands in the OGB islands. How?

It's okay, just go down. I have nothing to hide. And the one who runs it is now a professional. I give it to the professional who runs it. I'm not involved at all with the operational because I don't want to have a conflict of interest. If one day there is an environmental violation,

of course we will proceed according to the rules in place. And that's also not in my favor. Even if there is an environmental issue, the provincial government can only write a letter to the Ministry of Education, then the Ministry of Education will send its inspectorate to inspect, then we, the Ministry of Environment and Life, and the Ministry of Education will accompany. So, in the existing regulations, the governor does not have absolute power to do that, to protect, to issue, to give. We don't have that.

It has its own limits.

We are only supervisors and coordinators.

Yes, supervisors and coordinators.

And there is no permit that I have issued.

You're smart now.

Yes, I'm learning.

How does it feel to be a godot?

You're so good at PR.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm I'm a housewife, I don't understand bureaucracy, the government doesn't understand. Suddenly, I don't have money for my program. I studied APBD first, I studied bureaucracy first, I had to find the right person, make a program,

find money, socialization, infrastructure, lobby right and left to the ministry, I don't have money. So health education is free, it's already running, autopilot is already checked, on the road now the quality is being improved infrastructure, when, just to be clear, when we were one Indonesia there was a circular letter from the Ministry of Health, cut off more or less all the data, it was usually deleted

is this a new circular letter?

no, no, that's the old one. The one at the beginning of the year. This one is for the next year. This one is for this year, there is a cut. So suddenly our infrastructure, our infrastructure is 187 billion,

North Maluku, it's purely 100% DAK. Suddenly taken, zero. It means I don't have money for infrastructure, I can't build a bridge road at all in 2025. No wonder you were quite vocal yesterday, I saw it.

Yes.

Yes, but it's okay, this is a struggle for the people.

So I have to be efficient, everything, until finally 187 billion is collected. For me this year there is a bridge road program, only 187 billion. It used to be zero, after the letter of the Ministry of Public Works and Public Housing, there is our savings, this year we have saved 245 billion total. Well, I can be obtained. Well, it has to be opened, the APBD one by one. You have to read it one by one.

Money is not then the ISN says, Ma'am, the money is from here. No, I have to open it, look for where the money is. They say the money is not there. It takes time, it takes time.

So if you ask why I don't take care of the rice? I haven't reached the waiting list yet. Be patient. Yes, I...

It's like this, maybe many people don't understand, but the explanation from you, this is supposed to educate. Well, yesterday, there was an unapproved budget,

finally, Mr. Kurbaya made all kinds of cuts, you must be confused, right?

I'm not included in the list. Not included in the list. Not included in the list? That there is money to be saved, I'm not included in the list. But that there is a cut in the future, we have a cut in the province, about 25%, 800 billion, which is a lot. From 3.5 trillion, 800 million is gone, that's a lot.

But yes, we have accepted it. But here, what is the role of the mother?

How do I turn my brain? Yes. I cut here, I cut there, this doesn't need this, the enemy becomes a lot.

Yes.

Is there any hesitation in that process?

With ASN, if in front, they just accept it, don't know behind. If with DPRD, the future is also acceptable. Indeed, the budget shift this year, because of the 01 interest, we can shift the budget with PNGUP, without involving DPRD. But that's the rule. I was going to be impeached, but because they went to the State Council themselves, and the explanation of the rules is like that and I don't change for weird things, purely just for free, education, health, infrastructure,

so in the end they accept.

Okay, now with your work, I see North Maluku has experienced an increase of 39%, right? Number one story among all provinces. Why is that possible?

Actually, it's because of the hillarization of mining. In the past, mining was sold by land, ore. Then they sold ferronickel, the material to make stainless steel. Now there is a new technology, so the high-quality sapolite, 1.7% is processed into stainless steel. Now, the low-quality sapolite, 1.4%, can be processed into precursor material to make batteries.

So, the value added is increasing. And by January, we even have a factory producing batteries for Tesla in North Maluku. Really? Yes. So, the product hilarization from the mining side in North Maluku is indeed on the way, but it is not inclusive. So, this is not a work-related issue, so it is indeed

enjoyed for the industry and maybe the regency that owns the mining, the multiply effect for one province is not even.

Okay. Now, this is actually a positive thing, when it is managed well and in accordance with the SOP. But unfortunately, the narration that came out made many people finally ask questions,

because they are not present there. Yes, I try to see it objectively. I often go to the field, I often ask the people in the mining circle, do you choose to have a mine or not? Most of them really live next to the mine, they choose better if their economy has a mine than not.

Why?

Because their economy is really going up. The city district that has a mine, its economic growth of 60%-70% The regency can build houses, their children can go to college, they can get a job There's money There's money, compared to what was before But is there an environmental impact? Yes, there is

But is it because of the environmental impact that the mines are closed? This is my personal opinion. In my opinion, when the mining is going to be released, the permit has a mandate, the calculation for the environment has been done, and it is issued by the Ministry. It means that it has been studied well. Our job as a province is to ensure the supervision that they have to do good mining system. So if there is, like yesterday there was an incident, actually without their intention,

so the dam in East Halmahera, the dam that covers their dam, maybe the wall is not high enough or there is a hole. the I immediately wrote to the Ministry of Primary Industries. They immediately sent an inspectorate to come down with us, the Ministry of Environment and Primary Industries from Pemprok. We closed for a while. While they are now repairing the dam, and they are replacing the damage per hectare of the paddy fields.

That's something that can't be blamed. But instead of blaming each other, we are looking for a solution how this mining company that has the permission given by the center, it does good mining practice. We as supervisors in the province ensure that it benefits the community, not harm.

For 8 months, when I communicate, for example, please help the mosque, please help the school, please help the CSR, they are cooperative. So in my opinion, all you have to do is communicate well. So while you are responsible for mining problems there, starting from nickel, gold, and others, have you found anything illegal? can The permit is all there, the 38 that have this permit. Then, the mining is complicated, very complex, there are a lot of documents. We can't say, he's illegal, he's not illegal. That's not fair in my opinion. When we say something is not illegal, we have to have proof.

I don't want to talk fast, then there are long consequences for anyone I talk to. So, it's being data, I can't talk until the data is all done. How about the media that I read, which said that the mother's mining license is not correct, meaning in quotation marks, illegal? is and what I know and what I see until I ask my legal team to check all the documents needed are complete the definition of illegal is when operating without permission

yes, the letters are not filled

yes, everything is filled and if he really knows today is not legal, he just needs to tell what documents are not there or what but everything is said at least the DFK, disinformation, slander and can also lead to hatred yesterday there was a national media also promised me to interview me I've actually given them time

but because of the sudden arrival of the ministry asking for a zoom so I shifted it, it should be at 5 o'clock, I said to 8 o'clock because 6-8 o'8 is usually when we pray.

Ask for an interview for what?

To confirm, to write about the news. The news that happened. But when I moved to 8, he said it was past his time, he was going to broadcast. So I also said, you don't write, it's free if you don't have a confirmation to me. Oh, I didn't write, he said. Didn't write.

But he wrote.

Oh, he forgot, it means. He still wrote.

Welcome to the Indonesian media framing.

Yes, maybe also because I was from a housewife with a very small and comfortable bubble world that is not like this.

Yes, we've talked about that.

So maybe I feel, just plainly, when I've spoken, he committed, but he didn't. Yes, you just know, right?

I've been there.

I don't know what the attack is, but as a public official, it's usually an attack like that. I do accept it.

You just accepted it. It seems like you just accepted it.

I just accepted it. I was even too lazy to clarify it. But the more I came here, the more it became, in my opinion, without any facts. Even if you read it, it's just words. I feel like I don't have a bad intention towards others. So why do they ruin my good name? Maybe my good name, for me, is...

when I became a public official, with all the consequences, I accepted it. But I have a big family name, from my late father, from my parents, children that I have to take care of.

And some of them texted me, Mom, we want clarification. So, maybe, yes, This is the first time I tell about what happened. If not, I would not answer. Because if people ask

whether it's true or not, just open it. My LHKPN is there. If you want to ask whether it's illegal or not, just go to the Ministry of Education. And yesterday I went to KPK actually there is a connection with mining.

I went to KPK because I wanted to chase the MCSP score, regional government score for KPK and our score is still yellow, I want the green score, so I went there for consultation very aggressive, yes yes I like it, because I see it as very competitive and want to be number one. As a human, seeing you in the framing, what is the first thing that comes to your mind as a human?

Why is that?

Disappointed?

Yes, I already expected that they would do that.

Already expected?

Yes, I was prepared for that. So, there was already an intention? I saw it. And I was a bit against the flow. I said from the beginning that I didn't want to be a governor. I want to fulfill my husband's political promise.

I need closure for my promise to the people of North Malawi. I have to continue in the next five years. I have to make my ending with Al-Mahrum.

I'm sad, I remember the first one. The safety of the husband, which finally made it strong.

Yes, but to solve it, the system must be corrected. All these programs can run if there is money. The money must be made efficient. It has to be used properly. We don't lack money. It's just the money that's not used properly. It's managed poorly.

I also sacrificed a lot of time with my children. As a single parent, I sacrificed time with my children to return to North Maluku. It's not to become a governor. I went there to make sure that their house was not worthy of renovation.

And there were a lot of them, with limited APBD. The education school that I promised, I could do it. There was no more incidents like my late husband. By the way, the hospital is about to be built. A small, big, in Bobong. Hopefully in March it will be official and it will be very sophisticated there.

We have talked about the hospital, with the limitations of facilities.

Yes, I don't want what happened to my late husband to happen again. I don't want it. So I want when I invest 5 years of my time and there was an impact. I knew the consequences, there must be some people who don't like me,

it's normal.

That's why when there is, I accept it, I already expect it to happen. But the more I came, the more the narration became more hallucinating, like more fantasizing.

And...

Do you have an IT person? Have you checked the engine, how much news is coming out? I don't have a very sophisticated IT team, but usually it's more to the field. So my friends who didn't believe, friends who have friends, then they start to believe.

Is it true? Then I started to think, then they start to believe. Yes. Is it true?

Yes.

Then I started to think, this is starting to be wrong.

Yes. You just understand about this, earlier, just now. Okay, but you are a quick learner, I admit. Because indeed, when there is a framing that comes out, that framing, in the past, usually if it's not correct, we choose not to answer. Why answer if it's not right? But now, with the social media era, there is a shift, I notice.

When the framing comes out so much and not answered, people believe. Yes, people think it's right. So someone started to text me, if you don't answer, you'll think it's right. Although there are still people who support, Ma'am, you just work, we'll answer the comments later,

you just focus on work. I'm also touched. But then someone immediately judged. He didn't know me. He didn't even check the facts. He just read the words. Then he judged me.

What was it like? How?

I don't really remember. Usually the negative ones. So, I forgot the sentence. But the past is left, right? Yes, I lied. sentence. But the past is left. Yes, I lied. Oh, don't believe that there is a good leader, it's usually just a lie.

Oh, don't believe him, oh, it turns out it's the same. I don't care if people like me or not, if I'm the same as them. That's not important to me. That's not your priority. What I love is, why is it only this?

The literary understanding. You don't check the evidence, using words, and you judge. This is a very wrong way of thinking.

But it's not all, ma'am. Not all. And you judge, this is a very wrong way of thinking.

But not all, ma'am.

Not all.

Not all that we have to admit. Because I also see a lot of mothers' defenders.

Yes, and sometimes when I read the comments, when I'm about to go down, sometimes it's like... Sometimes if it's like a pain, I talk to...

Very motherly.

Talk to... I don't know, the air, know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don then my family's reputation was also damaged. Like, what am I doing? Sometimes I like to ask my friends, remember me after this is over. Remember me, that I like my old life.

Did you ever have a dilemma, ma'am, when the situation was like that? Like, on one side, we can think like this, like, I'm a victim for Maluku Utar, but on the other side, the reputation of the family was damaged. So we become calculative, right?

Have you ever had a dilemma like that, Ma'am? Actually, I don't hold a grudge against North Maluku. Actually, to be honest, what I'm doing is that then the people of North Maluku enjoy the results, yes. But actually, I'm doing this for... for... for... But actually, I did it for my grieving process.

For my grieving process, and the output is the North Maluku people. And then I proved my husband's Al-Mahrum theory that the APBD that even with the limited APBD, we can do it as long as we do it correctly. I just want to prove that the theory is correct.

Okay, and the theory is?

And the theory will hopefully be proven to be correct.

Correct, yes. From the data I saw yesterday, there was a lot of progress in North Maluku, starting from hospitals, what was it yesterday? I see a lot of progress happening in North Maluku, starting from hospitals, I just found out that there is a Tesla battery factory there.

It's already there, it will be operated.

That's an amazing progress, until it hurts, the stones.

Yes.

Are you tired, Ma'am?

Yes, I'm tired. Have you ever wanted to stop? Sometimes when I'm tired, I go down to the community to remind me again why I'm here. It then gave me a mood booster.

Yes, it really helps.

It helps remind me, yes, how tired I am, I'm single now, single parents. But I'm still far more comfortable in front of me than those on the islands over there. If they don't help, then they will be like that for the rest of their lives. That is a form of looking for your happiness, looking for your gratitude. First, I say my mood booster. I'm and the ASN, the leaders of the department know that I can go down and check and I often go down to check and if I go down to check, automatically they also check so the program is fast

so my renovation house in 2 months, 2 and a half months, it's almost finished yes, and you realize that

with you gone, they all just work

and I solve the problem by going down because my job is to solve the problem I sit in the office, I spending my money on the problem by going down. Because my job is to solve the problem. I'm sitting in the office, I can't know what the problem is. The people I've been spending money on during the campaign,

I've solved it. Now I have to spend money on a new problem for 2026.

Just a few seeds, people like you with this understanding and behavior, this country is progressing.

And this is just a general statement, if we are in North Maluku, our GDP is only around 3.5 trillion this year. We pay 1.2 trillion salary. We have food, drink, travel, services, operational to make all this run for about 300 billion, so more or less 1.5 trillion is purely spent on paying the S&P, salary, employee spending, and for this government can be circular, which means it is almost 50%. Then if 50% of this is spent on inaccurate targets, then we are providing the 1.3 million people with the money in the form of APBD.

That can be calculated, because of the number of residents multiplied by the ratio, it can be reduced to 3.5 trillion. The task is how we, the operators, the ISN, and I, the head of this area, use this money to improve their quality of life. If the program is wrong, not on target, they don't improve their quality of life, then 3.5 trillion is gone, what is our question for?

Yes, it should be like that.

Yes, so we have to go down to them because what we serve is them. This money is for them. The picture is when we publish something that we don't do. But what I do is publishing. What I publish is what I do. It can be checked by anyone, by random, no need to be specific.

By random, choose a village, go down, because my policy is general, not personal. So like free health, all. Free education, everything. Road and bridge, they can tag me, I repost. If they tag me, even if the bridge is broken, I repost. That's how it is.

There is already a structure, don't be jealous.

We have to mirror each other to be able to fix it. And I accept all criticism.

Yes, you accept all criticism, but as a human being, do you like to feel angry? Because there must be, I'm sure, there can't be no when you help, there are people, I mean we don't measure it evenly, some don't know themselves,

there are people who meet like that on the field, there are. For me it's okay. It's okay, you don't keep it in your heart. I always position myself as a mother. When I lead them, I'm not a governor, I'm a mother for 1.3 million North Maluku citizens. If someone is angry with me, I accept it.

If someone likes me, I praise God. If someone is ungrateful, I accept it. If someone is angry with me from behind, I accept it. What matters is my good intentions. Later they will realize it after I'm done with these five years. Five years is over, which means in 2030.

It's too early to ask if you still want to continue or not. Because there is a narration outside, I see a lot of people want you to go to the next stage as a minister, if I'm not mistaken yes, it's too much I also don't want to run away if I answer yes or no so I'm also here from the beginning, I don't want to

it means that the narration is also cruel I just watched a narration that the sound is like this and it is suspected that one of the deaths of the late Beni is ...

you saw that, right? Actually, it hurts a little, right?

Yes, I don't want to discuss it. Oops, sorry, ma'am. I'm a little sad, like meeting you. Okay, there are questions from the community, ma'am. Now, are you enough for the clarification earlier or is there anything you want to add before we have questions from the audience?

Maybe whatever I say, I'm Maybe for those who don't believe it, they will be skeptical. But believe me, before I became a governor, my life was very comfortable. Believe that. My life was very comfortable before I became a governor. I have the freedom that I don't have anymore today. And I can do anything without being judged. And I even had more income before I became a governor and after I became a governor. I can't manage a company,

which means I'm letting go of all my positions in the company, I can't get paid again privately to become a governor. My salary before I became a governor was higher than when I became a governor. So, in terms of material, freedom, and social status, I am grateful to have a comfortable life. But for me, this is a decision that I made consciously and I plan to succeed. To succeed, APBD Maluku Utara is small.

To succeed with my political promises, to make their lives better. It's impossible for me to use the small North Maluku APBD. From the beginning, when I decided to win, until today, when I meet people who are already senior in the field of politics, they feel that what happened to me, in theory, is not suitable.

It doesn't fit, I also feel that.

I also realize with the knowledge and ability that I have as a housewife, to prepare myself to be a candidate, to be able to debate candidates, to be appointed, to everything I told you today, running ASN, budget efficiency, make a program for the ministry,

that's impossible. If it's not because of the hand-in-hand of the Creator, I really realize that. Believe me, when people say I can greet well, I sometimes don't know what I want to say.

But I pray to God, every time I want to speak, I pray. Every time I have a problem, I pray. Every time I'm at a critical point, there are good people that God sends to help me, give me a new perspective, give me knowledge. Even the strength for today. I can sit and tell a story like this.

That's also the strength of God, not because of me. Imagine, a woman, a housewife, suddenly her husband is gone, entering the cruel political world, into a bureaucracy that I don't understand, but I can survive.

That's purely God's will. And for me to be protected by God, my heart must be clean. My intentions must be right. My values must be right. For that, I cannot compromise. I must be firm, not compromise.

So what worries them, that I will have a conflict of interest, I don't have a plan to do that. Because I risk too much for that. My life is good, I am grateful. I am given a good enough fortune, I don't run away. But I need God's protection,

I need God's help to make me succeed. From the beginning, I said, when I, for 367,000 people in North Maluku who chose me, they knew, they did not receive a single rupee from me.

Yes.

That later, those who did not choose me, still assume that until today I give money, it's up to them. But the 367,000 people knew, they don't receive a single rupee from me. I said from the beginning that I would start this the right way. Because I need God's help, I need God's blessings for me to succeed. I can't build North Maluku with APBD. I need help from the ministry and all the good people who are there to help me.

For that, I need God's help and I have to do it the right way. I have to keep my heart firm, firm, and true without compromise. And that's not easy.

Not easy. But what's even more difficult, in my opinion, is the Punten. How much did they choose? Rp. 367,000. don't give you money, right? Where did they get the wind from? I'm sorry, I'm not saying it's wrong. From an accident that was very tragic,

suddenly you were asked to replace, you were in dilemma, you were upset because you saw your husband with a vision mission, because you saw Maluku Tara, because Ibu is close to God.

That's not enough, honestly.

Someone has to choose. Isn't that right? Yes. Well, this is what moves 360,000 of these, who do you want? Nothing happens on this earth without God's permission. Right. There is nothing that happens on this earth without God's permission. That's right.

So if I assume that one day, in five years, we meet again, and Maluku is experiencing a massive increase, I say that 360,000 people that make it happen. It's like that, right, Ma'am? And you are a representative of that one voice.

And I have a big moral responsibility, that there are those who are now anti-party. Why do they, this is my personal opinion, why do the voters sometimes feel, let's just take it in the future.

Because they feel their voices are being cast, sometimes they get nothing. So rather than they get nothing, it's better if they get something in the future. In my opinion, maybe it's wrong. So, I want to prove that when you choose people, I always say to them at that time, when you

choose people because of money and not using your heart, then you will produce a leader who will rule money and a leader with a pure heart because you chose it in the wrong way. But when you choose a leader not because of money, but because of a pure heart, then you will produce a leader who leads with a pure heart.

So I want to prove that, of course, I am a normal human being, I pray, I'm still on the right path until five years from now, but I prove that what I promised I would deliver

and that there will be leaders next in Indonesia, in North Maluku, good people, people who have good intentions for Indonesia, who don't have money, but have intentions, I know that there will be badai and topan who will face me in the future.

I know that. I feel sorry for you from the beginning. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. I know, I will have a shield and a shield that will face me in front of me, I know that.

I feel sorry for you from the beginning we podcast. I might have more experience looking from the side of framing and others. I feel sorry for you, but why is your heart strong? But I will not allow it when you are wrong Of course I will be the first media to attack because for me I have a public responsibility where when you are in the implementation of tasks

there are things that finally need clarification you need clarification but when it turns out that your clarification is not in line with the facts on the ground

I agree

we have to be fair enough

that's cool because my, we have to be fair enough, that's cool. Because my objective is not to be right, not to be right, not to be right, my goal is to be a right leader. I accept criticism, I'm also learning, but... This is your first Badeh? Oh, I know.

It's only been 8 months, right?

There will be a bigger one. There are points where I think, what should I... Let go? But then I don't have peace and prosperity. So I have to be firm.

Right.

Ma'am, this is a question from the netizen. If you are terminated, what critical achievement do you want the public to remember as a legacy of your leadership in North Maluku? Aside from the hospital. I know about the hospital.

Yes.

That's really it.

That after I finished my five years, the people of North Maluku, their lives are more prosperous. At least more prosperous than before I was there. That their basic needs, education, health, house, are better. That they have a better self-image.

All the teams I use are from North Maluku. Just to prove that if we are given the same opportunity, we can do it.

And people believe it. Yes.

Sometimes I think I'm using a national team. I'm using a local team.

Now, you're alone. The kids are not with you every day. Yes. Right? That... That can't be replaced. Where do you go now?

If so...

To my kids.

But it's far away. What do they do sometimes? Just video call or what?

No, usually if there are things... Like I'm confused. Especially like this, I consult. So, my son, the man, when God gives destiny, God prepares it. Suddenly, my son becomes very mature and very wise.

The man. So, whenever there are things that I can't decide and dilemmas, I consult him and he can always give me answers that are very...

He makes you amazed.

...very substantial answer. And why is he more intelligent than me?

Because of me, right? Because he's not in that problem. He sees.

So your son is smart, intelligent, beautiful, handsome. Yes, although sometimes I'm sad to see them. My son was in school in America, and he had to go home. He has to work now,

he has to study. foreign

yeah I'm still young, only 19 years old. He should have his time to play.

He should still play, he accompanies me to go down to the area.

Sometimes he follows you, taking care of his mother. But actually he's heartbroken. He's just pity for you.

That's the dilemma. Mixed feeling.

Yes.

Actually, when he's pity for me, I'm already quite strong. dilemma mixed feeling yeah I'm sorry, ma'am. So, what happened yesterday, did the kids get it? The narration invited hot comments, right? Hot. My kids haven't asked anything yet. But now we're like, we're protecting each other's feelings. Maybe he's not comfortable asking me.

One of the things, why I want to clarify, I also, I still remember that there was a time when Almarhum was accused of corruption when he was in Morotai District. At first he didn't want to take the responsibility. Then one day his son came because his son was told by his friends that what they had was the result of corruption at that time. So his son was still young at that time. I asked Benny, the late, and he told my son, how long have you lived in a boarding house? It's been a long time. Before Papi became a regent or after?

Before. You drive this car, you have this, we go abroad, how long has it been? Before. So everything you have

was there before Papi became a regent? Yes. But then the Almighty is disturbed. He feels like his children are being like that because of something that is not done. That's why at that time he finally demanded that the person who has a good name is asked. Sometimes I hope there is someone I can ask.

But like this, I don't know. If the Almighty is there, I will definitely ask can ask. But I don't know, if there is a God, I will ask him. But I can't ask. So, the past experience is a guidance for me. Maybe when there is a God, he feels that this has passed,

it has already personal. There's a big family I have to take care of.

And if you say, what you're doing now, you can't choose, right? On one hand, for the sake of the community, on the other hand, it's a good name.

And I'm single now, single parent. I still have three children that I have to guide and take care of too. I can't guide him to work now, so I leave him to his friends who are coaching.

You can play with me here yes there is BL too so I can coach them all

yes

so that I mean, we can take care of each other because my mom is also her position is also a single parent wow, it's hard especially when it comes to the country

not the country, Maluku Tarih wow, it's, if I stop, I'm dizzy, I'm sorry, I'm dizzy, we're wrong, but the big heart is the one that can work there, right? And this is a question, what is your closing question? Bang, please ask Mrs. Shirley, how come Belio can be so positive with such a strong energy and continue to be? What's the secret? I already know the answer. Do you want to answer?

Yes, because of God.

Because of God.

Yes, because of God. I also, if you ask me why, it's not because of my strength. It's all because of God's grace. I can be strong, I have no resentment, no fear, positive thinking. And I realized I have this point this point, all because of God. Because if my strength, the mathematical calculations, don't reach.

I also don't think that everything gets here, it doesn't reach. Usually it's step by step. Sometimes you become your own role model, right? Yes Can I do it? Sometimes I watch it again after the greeting I can do it, I said it like that

Hahaha

Yes, Bu Setti Juhanda, give her a hand guys

Good luck for the rest of the questions

What was the last question?

Oh, someone asked I'll give it to you I'm asking if you like the netizen's song Oh, someone asked Okay, I'll give it to you

I'm about to close it

It's still glowing

Yeah

I'm sorry, ma'am This is from the netizen, ma'am Your beautiful secret is still glowing

Yeah

Suddenly like this, ma'am

Yeah, ma'am

What about your crush?

Sunblock

Sunblock, sunblock it? sunblock sunblock, so funny sunblock

but actually it's all from my heart actually when I look at my face when it happened, I told them why am I aging? 5 years old, suddenly I'm aging I feel like I'm aging

suddenly my hair is all messy I'm aging when Suddenly, my hair was all messy. I was aging. When I accepted this as my destiny, to go through it, sometimes there are these funny team that I can laugh,

I can be happy. A happy heart, a happy face, even though I still have to wear sunblock. Sunblock, hat, glasses, if it falls,

I have to keep wearing it. Yes, it's a closing sentence, I hope what is being done by Mrs. Shirley, then this opens a lot of eyes out there through this podcast, because the real leader is the one who chooses his people. So, what you said is true, if you choose not by your heart, then it's what you accept, don't complain. And don't let people or people's leaders take that right to choose the wrong people. You are wrong too.

Oh, with me, I still remember when Akbar campaign, I said this, my struggle, I didn't give anything, I said, I didn't give anything, you still choose me, you choose, he said. My parents, grandparents, everyone struggled me until the day of the split, after that I struggled my parents for the next 5 years. But, sometimes I, even if I don't go down to the field, when the program is to solve the problem on the field, I sometimes get a lot of support from netizens, I want to say thank you. Sometimes, their comments are really encouraging.

So, when I feel that in this universe, there is a law of reciprocity, when we may fight for this, but the wheel is spinning, then there is this one supporting us. So, the energy is only spinning. We give positive energy to those in need. the netizen and followers that I have never met in person, I don't know them, but I was infused with a lot of comments. I really feel that I'm not alone, I really feel that I'm supported,

watched, cared for by them, mood booster, and they are also the ones who make me, mood booster. And they also made me to remind me that there are many hopes that are given to me. I also don't want to disappoint

them.

You feel blessed. Amen. I hope that message reaches through this podcast. One thing I point out, this is really good. From a happy heart, live your life, so take care of your heart from all evil. because there is everything

Mrs. Closed Mrs. This is a quick question and out of control Mrs. My term If you are given the privilege to determine yourself and like you like you That's the story, right?

This is fast, Mrs. Answer

Oh yeah

You are given that privilege and you determined yourself.

You became a minister.

What kind of minister?

Social.

Okay. Okay.

Thank you.