BREAKING NEWS! Jean “M” Trogneux FOUND In The United States In The 60’s. | Candace Ep 232

go on a one week break because we need to research so much. And I'm going to tell you guys, this is going to be an explosive episode. One of our viewers, and truly, I cannot believe I missed this. They found a certain John Trugno entering the United States in 1961. Plus, on top of that, some of you guys have been messaging me about the show White Lotus and how there's.

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Crazy doesn't really cut it. It's cosmically insane, everything that's going on in the world. So I'm going to first explain this expression that we use in America because I know we have so many first explain this expression that we use in America, because I know we have so many international viewers.

There's an expression in America, a hit dog will holler. Okay, a hit dog will holler. So what that means is sometimes when you're not meaning to offend anybody, you might say something and people get offended, like they get triggered almost. It elicits a response that you're not expecting.

And you go, oh, well, the reason why you reacted to that, you're a hit dog hollering, you reacted to that because there's something that you know. It's not because of what I said, it's because of who you are, okay? I'll give you an example of that.

So I think it was back in 2022, very strange. Genocide is always wrong, right? The exact tweet is, no government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide ever. There is no justification for a genocide. I can't believe this even needs to be said or is even considered the least bit controversial to state.

I was reacting to something that a congressman had said, saying that there was no such thing as an innocent Palestinian life. And then all of a sudden, for a person who used to be a friend of mine, Dave Rubin jumps in and gets really defensive about whether or not Palestinians are being genocided.

And this was like way early. This is, as you saw, actually, 2023. He tweets. What did he tweet? I think we have it. He had a whole chart ready. Well, as I'm sure you know, Candace, the Palestinian population has gone over five

times in the last few decades, but thank you for taking a strong stand against Hamas's stated genocide of the Jews, which is in their charter. Okay. Wasn't speaking about Jews, was actually hitting a Congressman, Brian Mass, that said something really wrong. And suddenly he's going, oh, look at this. The Palestinians, they're so alive. It's five times the population. And the Jews are going to be exterminated. I'm like, wow, that's a random hit dog that's hollering. And now we fast forward, that was 2023. Now we fast forward to 2025. And yeah,

well, the headlines are looking a little different. And it looks like maybe they knew where this was headed, right? This is the Guardian telling us literally, I think this was published yesterday, revealed Israeli military's own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in the Gazan War. So yeah, they were on the inside of that

and freaking out as soon as anybody used the term, overreacting anytime anybody used the term genocide. Similarly, another example of that is I did an episode back in 2022 and I was discussing the history of psychology. It was literally me just going,

oh my gosh, like psychologists have kind of been up to some pretty sadistic, sick stuff. Also, a lot of them happened to be pedophiles and lo and behold, in the media, there was this response to rush to defend a Sigmund Freud, to pretend that I was crazy for even looking at this.

And I was just literally gonna do one episode on the history of psychology. But the reaction, the hit dog hollering made me go, okay, there might be something more here, like a trend. So I started to read books and I started to learn more about the history of Sigmund Freud in psychology and it was much darker than I could have ever

imagined. And now we have this book club where we're learning that Sigmund Freud was actually covering up for child abuse. Well, chaos was also one of the reasons I fell down the rabbit hole pretty hard. That's a book that was written by Tom O'Neill, Charles Manson, the CIA, and the secret history of the 60s. The 60s in America, we learn in that book. My takeaway from that book is that the world is a stage, right?

It was about the Manson murders. Everything that the public thought they knew about the Manson murders, turns out was pretty false. It also, of course, the Manson murders involved Roman Polanski, right the official story Roman Polanski Sharon Tate's she's pregnant. She gets viciously murdered. It's a tragedy for him

Then you read the book and you're like, wow, they were up to weird sex stuff. Nothing is what it seems He hired a photographer to watch him or took a photographer with him to watch him grieving in the households. Very strange things. Like I said, my takeaway, the world is a literal stage and that there are in fact military grade actors who use the press as their supporting cast to convince us, the unwitting audience, that certain events have taken place in the world when they maybe actually did not take place or maybe did not take place

in the way that we thought they did. The book made me realize the power of psychology, the power of propaganda. These two terms are actually relatives and also Sigmund Freud who created modern psychology was a literal relative to Edward Bernays,

that was his nephew, who was the father of propaganda. So it's all related. Edward Bernays, by the way, was the father of military grade propaganda. He got involved World War Two convincing Americans. And it's like totally cool to want to genocide Germans. Totally cool. He's all the Germans are so evil. We can do this with movies. We're going to create this image and we're going to war.

the screeching holler.

And I would say it was in the form of Emmanuel Macron's extraordinary lawsuit against me. Never before has anybody filed this lawsuit. He's panicked. We don't know why he's panicked, but he randomly includes in this lawsuit amongst the allegations and charges against me that have completely thrown him over the edge of things I have done have thrown the president couple presidential couple over the edge. He mentions the fact that I bring up MK Ultra throughout the series. Actually, it wasn't throughout the series. In fact, he mentions this MKUltra program

18 times in this lawsuit. Okay, the lawsuit filed against me, MKUltra is discussed 18 times. I'm sorry, but is that not weird? Like what about MKUltra got him so triggered that they're furiously writing about this

I'm gonna show you here in the lawsuit at the bottom of page 59 paragraphs 132 to 133. We're not gonna go over all 18 examples you can read this part this lawsuit and you could type in MK ultra yourself and see that everything that we're telling you is true But they wrote to encourage actually at the top 132, toward the end of episode two, Owens turned her gaze towards President Macron to begin ceding her eventual claim that he is the

product of MKUltra or a similar government control program. You can see that's not in quotations, I never said that. MKUltra was a secret CIA program that conducted human experiments to develop mind control techniques using drugs, psychological manipulation and torture. That's true. They then write to encourage suspicion. Owens characterized President Macron's childhood as a black hole with very little information available. She suggested that his upbringing may be linked to clandestine government plot because his father to a clandestine government plot because

his father was a psychiatrist and his mother was a pediatrician. Owens referenced the book, Chaos, about the CIA's MKUltra program and told viewers that its contents were relevant as we go along with this series,

learning about some government programs which involved a lot of psychiatrists. It all just kind of fits in. Yeah, why are you so triggered about me? And what I actually did was I spoke about the fact that throughout Emmanuel Macron's childhood,

he was isolated, okay? The classmates spoke out and said he was a loner, he was always by himself. He spoke out and said that he was very, very, very much was a bookworm, got lost in books with his grandmother.

And then I spoke about how one of the aims of the MKLH program was to isolate individuals to see how they would react after being isolated. I mean, it was a sadistic time. The 60s just was a sadistic time. I made it clear that we have no idea

whether or not the program went global. We know that the majority of the files were erased, effectively destroyed by the government because they didn't want people knowing what they were looking into. It was all about mind control. Why is Macron upset?

Why are Bregim and Emmanuel upset that I mentioned that on episode two of this series? Series is about your wife having been born a male. You're hyper focusing on MKUltra program to the tune of 18 times it's being honorably mentioned in this lawsuit of everything that I'm alleging. Why is it that that triggered the couple seriously? Well, you will recall a couple of days ago someone saw a photo that they thought looked like

it could be Jean-Michel Dragneau, right? Showing you the side by side here, they said, I'm watching a documentary, looking at the side profile and look, it looks like it could be him. Now I'm looking at this and I'll tell you what I see

in my eyes, we can pull that back up, Skylar. On the right, you see it looks like someone like a student, right, and that they're writing. And yeah, the hairline can look similar, but honestly, we didn't know. We didn't know. But given the extraordinary and unprecedented lawsuit

that is being filed by this couple against me, we are going to chase down any and every available lead, right? We want to now get to the actual truth. We're now not done with this series. This series has to become my life because he's threatening my entire life, right? They want to sue me out of existence for what?

For reporting on a book? That doesn't make any sense. Like I said, we weren't positive. We're just chasing leads. And again, Brigitte, as we know, rather mysteriously stated in 2018 interview that she spent a lot of time

throughout her childhood in the United States, that she had fond memories of the United States, that she celebrated the moon landing with Americans. So that means to be clear, her name is Brigitte Marie Trogno. We should be able to find Brigitte Marie Trogno, having entered in the United States in the 60s multiple times.

But we couldn't find Brigitte Marie. We also couldn't find Jean-Michel Trogno anywhere in the United States manifest, the ship manifest that we're accustomed to looking through. And I want you guys to know this, the Trogno, last name, is incredibly uncommon. It's almost like when you start looking at the story,

it only exists exclusively in and around the region of Amiens. And it's not even popular throughout France. It's just that Northern region, that's when you start seeing all of these Trangios. And similarly in the United States, we actually decided to perform a search.

There's one individual in the United States living in the United States that has the last name Trangio. Okay. So random individual that we're assuming is unrelated to this story. So we're going, okay, well, what are the chances we're going to be able actually find Brigitte, Jean-Michel? I looked everywhere, tried Jean-Michel, Jean, nothing came up. And then yesterday we got an explosive email

and we were at the beginning of this, guys. So bear with me as I take you through this. Of course, there is potential that we are making some errors. This is an open investigation. If we make errors, we will correct them in the future. Now I'm gonna protect the person's identity and not read the name so they don't get unnecessarily sued

by the president of France. They said, Ken, I'm assuming you saw that a Jean-Marie Trogno entered into the United States in the 1960s. And I'm going, no, I most certainly did not see that a Jean-Marie Trogno entered into the United States

in the 1960s. That's kind of like a very good time frame that we are looking for Jean-Michel Trogno and this is not a popular last name. And they tell me, yeah, it's on the Department of Justice website. It's in a document on the National Archives. You can see that a certain Jean-Marie Trogno entered into the United States. And he's listed as a crew member that is aboard a French cargo ship on August 27th, 1961.

Okay, so Jean-Michel would have been 16 years old. And we have no trace of Jean-Michel during those years. Right, we don't know where Jean-Michel went. We don't really know where this first lady went either when she was spending time in America. This Jean-Marie, and we can show you this document,

we can pull this up. You can see it at the bottom there. Jean-Marie, it tells us the last four digits of the passport is 3408, that he was an oiler. And yeah, elsewhere we find that we believe that they came from Le Havre, France,

which is a port and also a city in France and that they made a stop in British Columbia. So Canadians, if you're paying attention, that stop by the way, was on August 25th, two days earlier, 1961, they were in British Columbia. And then they finished this trip here, August 27th.

And they then disembark in Seattle. Okay, very interesting. Okay, this is a crew and we're now on the West Coast. I'm gonna assume again that this individual has gotta be related because we know Marie is their family name.

That is the dad's name, Jean-Michel Marie Trongno. It is still Brigitte's middle name, Brigitte Marie Trongno, okay? So it's interesting. Again, it is during Jean-Michel Trongno's missing years. Also, what we learned from this document

when you go through it is that the captain of the ship, his name is Guy Choplin, okay? C-H-O-P-L-I-N. And I crawled through everything that I could find on this individual. We were only able to come up with one picture

that was available of this captain in this rather obscure marine digest. And Skylar, you have to remind me, yeah, it's Michigan. Okay. You can see it right there. It's speaking about the MS Michigan, this marine digest. You can see there on the left hand side, that is the captain, Guy Shoplin being presented with a photo. I'm gonna read you that caption, it's in small print, so bear with me.

Captain Guy Shoplin, master of French lines, new MS Michigan, receives a framed photo of Seattle's Harbor from a delegation of the Seattle Junior Chamber of Commerce. The French built vessel is on her maiden voyage to the Pacific coast,

participating in the brief ceremonies were, and then tells us that is Charles McLeod, that is Rolanda Luna, who's holding the photo on the left-hand side. And then it's Captain Choblin, who is not looking up, so we can't get a really great idea of what he looks like,

even though he is looking forward. And also a certain Donald R. Tate. General Steamship Corp. Limited is the general Pacific Coast Freight agents for the line. The photo was a gift from the Seattle Port Commission. Now, one thing that I have a question regarding

is that General Steamship Corp., that is not who owns the ship. That could make sense, by the way. I know, just to be super honest with you guys, nothing about shipping. So I am looking forward to the tips

that are going to flood in. You guys can probably even look at that photo and the outfit he is wearing and tell me stuff, right? If you know about shipping, you know about shipping. If you know about cargo ships, if you know about crews, how often crews change out, the point is, is this person is listed as a crew member of this ship.

We could not find that guy, Shoplin, outside of this photo. Now regarding the ship, however, because then we just said, okay, what can we find out about this ship? There wasn't much, but a very interesting thing was discovered. Now you will recall that Jean-Michel Tragnot, when we were like thinking about this Stanford thing,

we're like, well, we know that he has a military file. We know that he was in Spire, Germany, and he was a non-commissioned officer. And then the trail just sort of runs cold. He's in Germany, last thing that we know, and then it runs cold.

He's playing hockey, last thing that we know, and then it runs cold, he's playing hockey, we told you about that. I know there's people in Germany that are looking through, trying to find photos and helping us out there, we really appreciate that. But still, given that information,

it would have been a stretch for us to assume that he was aboard a ship that somehow made its way close to Stanford University, just in time for a psychological experiment that happened in 1971 like that's a bit of a stretch There is quite literally no evidence of that right? But it is certainly not a stretch that whoever this Jean-Marie Trognoe character is

Okay, we can potentially put him exactly near Stanford University beginning at the year of 1971. You want to know why we can do that? Because, well, as you just saw, he's listed as the crew of the MS Michigan. And in 1971, the MS Michigan was doing routes specifically from Germany to Oakland, California. Okay, how do we know that? We learned this via the most obscure and random lawsuit that was filed.

I like the karma of that, that just being a lawsuit that lets us be able to put this Jean-Marie Tragnot character potentially as a person working on this boat. There was a random lawsuit that was filed against the shipping company for having ruined cargo. Okay, the lawsuit was filed by the Varian Associates against the General Transatlantic Company. Now the General Transatlantic Company,

it's actually a French company that owns the ship. And so you can see that right there at the top. It says the company General Transatlantique, which I think was the person who runs that was given a presidential medal of freedom in 1955 in France. So that would be interesting to see that

if there's some photos of that, who that was. Anyways, I'm not gonna bore you with the details of this lawsuit, but the French liner was appealing a decision, a lower court decision, which found them guilty of having damaged cargoes,

an 8,000 pound electromagnet. And they found them guilty and owing $35,000. Not a small amount of money in the 70s. But the lawsuit lists the facts of what happened. The lawsuit states, quote, on January 18th, 1971, Varian contracted with the French line ship to ship a spectrometer system packed in six separate boxes from Oakland, California to Hamburg, West Germany. Okay. To be clear, Oakland is about a 35 minute drive from Stanford University. Some of you guys are not from

California. It's, it's right there. Like that's like that is right there. I've spoken, gone to Oakland, drove down, spoke at Stanford University. You can kind of do them all. All the universities right there, UCLA included, Berkeley and Stanford University. So I was like, OK, that's really interesting. Now we know that this liner was going back and forth.

And I would like to know if Jean-Marie Trognoe was the crew member while it was doing those rounds in 1971. Find me Jean-Marie Trognoe. This should be very simple. Like I said, there's not a lot of people to choose from.

Okay.

Now, I want to say something about the Stanford experiment because many of you guys emailed us regarding that photo Like I said, it looks like he's taking notes and you guys were going First and foremost, I should let you know all of our worlds are converging going back to that book chaos Which which were forever reason we're not allowed to discuss without upsetting a president of France Well, I remember that Stanford University was brought up a few times, you know,

particularly as it relates to MKUltra. The MKUltra experiment, like the president says, was this covert psychological operation that was run by Dr. Jolly West. Like this is the villain of all villains, Dr. Jolly West. And when you read that book, you're just like,

wow, I can't even with the 60s. I trust nothing that comes out of the 60s. Well interestingly enough, Jolly West, per Tom O'Neill's reporting, went to Stanford University. He did a fellowship at Stanford University in 1966. Okay, so we know for a fact, based on that book, that there were Stanford students, graduate

students that were working with Jolly West, everything that happened in that book, I'm not gonna recap everything, but it tells you in this page from Chaos that late in the fall of 1966, Jolly West arrived in San Francisco

to study hippies and LSD. The Bay Area had seen an unprecedented migration of middle-class youth with an explosion of recreational drug use. West felt he had to witness it firsthand. He secured a government grant and took a year-long sabbatical

from his professorship at the University of Oklahoma nominally to pursue a fellowship at Stanford, although that school had no record of his participation in a program there. So it's like he went there and did a fellowship, but there's no record of that, which if you've read Chaos, you know,

all the records were destroyed. And if it wasn't for the fact that that journalist, Tom O'Neill, started going through obscure university files, he, Jolly West, until the day he died, denied having anything to do with MKUltra. And unfortunately for him, then along came Tom O'Neill

and he explodes the entire affair. So he was very good at erasing his tracks until he found them in a box that Jolly West had donated. I can't remember if it was UCLA or to what university it was. After his death post post post humously, there were tons of boxes. And Tom O'Neill took the time to go through them. Anyways, lastly, I want to point out something else that's interesting.

Much of what the public was told about the Stanford experiment was a lie, okay? There were accusations of bad faith acting, intentional acting, because they wanted to say that they got a specific response from having done this experiment.

And you will recall, I brought up this guy, David Eshelman, who was also known as the John Wayne of the experiment. And he pretends like, oh, I had no idea I was gonna be a guard, but then on day two, I just became more brutal and I liked it and it was sadistic.

And this was like, I just got into it. He's very over the top and comes across like an actor. I'll let you watch that clip again real quickly.

Each day I said, well, what can we do to ramp up what we did yesterday? How can we build on that? Why did you want to ramp things up? Two reasons, I think. One was because I really believed I was helping the researchers with some better understanding of human behavior.

On the other hand, it was personally interesting to me. You know, I cannot say that I, you know, did not enjoy what I was doing. Maybe, you know, having so much power over these poor defenseless prisoners, you know, maybe, you know, you kind of get off on that a little bit.

So to be clear, he was an actor. He was pursuing a degree in acting, and he is in fact a trained actor. And while the public was told that these participants also didn't know each other, you know, we just put it out of the newspaper, and we got a response. And then we went through some assessment and picked the ones that we thought would be best suited. They actually did know each other. And while David Eshleman runs around and gets all the attention and talks about how he loved

it and like got into this role very quickly, he knew another participant who for whatever reason was kind of neglected. Movies were made about this experiment and no one wanted to speak to John Marks, who was one of the individuals that was a part of this experiment. And he's he was saying that this experiment that we were involved in what the public knows they were lied to it's fraudulent. Now how do I

know that he says that? Well, because I found a Reddit thread. He did an AMA on Reddit. Okay, an AMA is ask me anything. Now the first thing you're gonna think is, Kansas is Reddit. We don't know if that's him. Wrong, we know it's him because to prove that it's him, he provides a link of him. He provides his California driver's license, which says that he's in Sausalito, California.

He also held up a sign, said prison guard, three, six, 15, and goes, you guys can see this is actually me. And then just to be doubly sure, triply sure rather, I actually did a side-by-side comparison of his face. I found his high school photo because I'm a psycho in a yearbook.

And I was able to determine, because he makes it clear that it's the same individual. So this guy was, this was legit. It was John Mark. And what he says in this Reddit AMA from 11 years ago, the first thing that he wants people to know

is that the bad guard from the night shift, that being David Eshelman, was a high school friend of mine, he writes. Unfortunately, the experiments and the way his play acting was interpreted as real tainted the results and caused me to not feel as friendly toward him

anymore. After that, so they knew each other. They were friends. Occasionally he goes on, we meet at reunions and at one occasion he apologized for his behavior. Then he goes on and he writes, and this gets really interesting. The prisoner who was removed from the experiment for a breakdown was the younger brother of one of my friends.

Okay. So now we realize that three of them potentially knew each other and even more because he writes, but I never had any subsequent contact with him. When he was removed, he was replaced by a new prisoner who was in fact a grad student who was working with Phillips and Bardo. That's the guy who ran the entire experiment, who was placed as a mole to find out what the student prisoners were up to. This new prisoner slash grad student

was also an acquaintance of mine. So while I didn't out him, and I'm sure none of us were supposed to know that he was a part of the research team, nor was his background ever published to my knowledge, I knew who he was.

Okay, because that becomes very interesting. So he's saying that, which we learn in terms of what was publicized, some people quit the experiment. Those people have said that they were acting, one of the individuals said they were acting. And he's now saying that there was this prisoner swap,

which wasn't reported, where a graduate student then went in and became a prisoner, but he was really a mole that was working under Philip Zimbardo. Now that part is interesting because many of you emailed us

about prisoner number 2093, thinking that that prisoner in the Stanford prison experiment looked a lot like Jean-Michel Dragneau. But again, we didn't think that was possible because in that side profile shot, the JMT lookalike is clearly not a prisoner. Like he's like writing notes, he's not in the right prison garb.

And then suddenly there is a lot of gray images where it looks like it could be JMT. But then in other images throughout, that prisoner looks like a totally different person. Like he's got long blonde hair here. And I'm going, why do I feel like this is two different people? Like sometimes he's got weight on him and sometimes he doesn't.

So I just kind of put it out of my mind, the appearance, just like the change in the appearance seems strange. But now this guy is saying like, no, they changed around who the prisoners were, that they sent in a mole and who knows what happened

because Zimbardo has essentially locked down the files. A lot of you guys were like, oh, the names of them. We found the names here of the people that were involved in the experiment. No, he says in his book that he used different names to protect their identities.

And he has never actually released the full list of the individuals, the 24 students who we were told didn't know each other that were involved in this experiment. And so I don't know, I don't know what to think here, but I am now very interested. There's a lot of things that are, that's happening now to be clear. It could be nothing. It could be nothing. As we saw during the Kamala Chronicles, as we

began looking into things, sometimes you know, you want something to fit and it could fit and then you're wrong. And so if it's wrong and we get more information, we'll be the first ones to let you know, right? We wish we could just ask these questions and shut things down by going to Brigitte and Emmanuel.

They don't wanna answer any questions. I wanna ask Brigitte, hey, by the way, you can be the first one to shut this down. Be like, hey, here's the dates that I was in the United States. Here it is, here's me pictured with my family. I assume you took some pictures while you were in your youth in the United States. Is that a fair assumption?

That like when you go on a trip, you might take some photos if you spent that much time in your youth. Brigitte could shut this down. trying to present a story that's not truthful. It doesn't help me. It doesn't help people that are at home. But I am getting increasingly interested because you have to wonder what the hell warrants a response like this from a sitting president

in a foreign country. What the hell warrants a response from a sitting president of this country? Why did Trump call me so quickly? Like something I didn't think about until I was reflecting upon it,

how quick that phone call came in right after Emmanuel Macron left. Is there something that we accidentally, like I always do stumbled upon, just because I was interested, that I accidentally stumbled upon something

that could potentially implicate the United States in some way? What was Brigitte doing? Like actually what was Brigitte doing in the United States in some way? What was Brigitte doing? Like actually what was Brigitte doing in the United States throughout her youth? The good thing is that first and foremost, you guys can email us and we will investigate everything. We will actually include links to all of this. The

Skylar, if you want to make a note, the Reddit AMA, we will include a link to that. Also, we will include a link so that you can see it on the Department of Justice website. If you are in Canada, please start looking through shipping records and see if you can find a Jean-Marie, anybody with a last name Trongnoe, that would also be helpful.

Everywhere you are in the world, also in that lawsuit, it said that the ship deviated. That was one of the reasons they were suing and went off course. of the ship stopped in Antwerp. So yeah, tons of people that all over that can get involved and just see what you can find on ship manifest if you can find that last name.

And maybe you're going, actually, Candice, I know the crew member, John Marie Shragno, and I can shut this down immediately for you. Here is me and my buddy. We worked on that ship together, and we've got photos because people take photos growing up working together that would be normal please send it to us we want to know we are dying to know this is truly the most exciting lead

i think is this jean-marie trugno i do think that that individual has to at least be in the family of brigitte mccrone is it is it the dad the dad would have been alive during that time maybe uh but they tell us nothing. So we have to investigate this stuff ourselves. Also, something else I wanna add here that I found to be interesting.

We found Jonathan Mark, the Reddit poster, that he graduated from Stanford four years later. He is on the Stanford alumni directory from that exact same place. I forgot what it was called, like Salsa something California. It's listed that he graduates then four years later.

So that's another question mark. Again, we were told it's supposed to be all these people around, I don't know what's happening, but as we take this week off, we're gonna start going through and seeing what it is that we can learn about every individual

that was involved in this experiment, because I've already discovered that a few of them spoke French. I don't know what the chances are that you round up random people in America, graduate students and they're French, they can also speak French.

That's of interest to me, but we could be trying to make it fit. We could be trying to make it fit and maybe it doesn't. So you guys will have to let us know. Don't go away because now I have to tell you something about White Lotus. And I don't think I, I never thought that I would say this on the show.

But people of China, I need your help. People of China who actually can't watch YouTube, but I know you guys are watching this series somehow because of the comments. I need your help in understanding something that happened historically in China.

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Asia, I need your help. Actually, because India is kind of involved in this too. Very preliminary research that I'm talking about. While we were on break, there is a lot of things that we have to look into. But one of the themes that we have talked about on the show,

which is interesting, is how culture seems to be pushing upon us this idea that incest can be sexy. Most recently, I was referring to the Kardashian sisters. I actually have been screaming about this for years, even back when I was on the Daily Wire going,

hey guys, you know how they're selling perfume, but like Kylie and her sisters are all half naked next to each other, making sexy faces. Yet that is them trying to kind of see the idea to us that incest can be okay and it's not okay. Uh, similarly, Heidi Klum, her daughter just turned 18.

They did this ad where they were like half naked. I don't remember what, I think they were, might've been selling lingerie that if my sister even came within 20 feet of me in a bikini, I would tackle her. Okay, supposed to be like, you know, but they're trying to be like, oh, like, oh, and we're enticing and sexy, like buy the product. That's weird.

That is very strange. Well, let me tell you something. A few of you actually emailed us and said, Candace, further to that point, I don't know if you watch White Lotus. I watched the first two seasons.

It's an HBO series, but there was randomly this, and there was certainly outrage about it. There was randomly, they just sort of threw in this incest theme. I think the story goes that, and Skylar, tell me in my ear that two brothers,

or can you speak, Skylar? I don't know if you can speak in there. Okay, apparently it was two guys. Okay, so apparently there was a kissing scene with two brothers that took place on this smash hit series. Everyone's just like, why, why, why is this necessary?

Why do we need gay incest in this moment for the show to be good? And the storyline is about elites and they're kind of getting away with a lot of stuff. And the hotel is named the White Lotus Hotel. Nobody really knew why this was named White Lotus Hotel or at least I didn't know. I knew nothing about that term White Lotus at all. I thought

it was just like maybe a pretty flower. I don't know. Maybe some sort of a bug, I had no idea. Well, you're not gonna believe this, I re-received another email and somebody gave me a tip and said, hey, Candice, I'm trying to access this file, but I am getting the last name Trogno, and I can't, but when I click it, I can't open it. And what I realized when I took a look at that was the individual was trying to access a book

and it required that that person paid $33 to be able to access why Trogno was being mentioned in the context of China in the 18th century. Now the 18th century is a pretty big century, right? Because the French Revolution happens in 1789 and by and large the French Revolution was a sexual revolution, okay? And in this book, I'm actually going to read it to you guys, give me a second because I downloaded it. It's very expensive and I'm gonna tell you what it tells us.

It tells us that, and I'm recapping here, but essentially there was in China a rebellion that took place and a bunch of Jesuits leading up to this rebellion, not a bunch of Jesuits, a few, a handful of Jesuits under the guise of saying that we're here on a Catholic mission came in to China, one of their names being Father Trogno. I kid you not, the full name is Father Francois Theodore

Trogno came in to China. And then it tells us very quickly in this book that the Catholics were accused of being white Lotus members. And I'm like, okay, that is interesting. What is white Lotus?

And then I learned that there was this big rebellion that took place in China. It was called the white Lotus rebellion. And in my preliminary research, it tells me that the aspects of this, there were accusations that were thrown

of sexual impropriety that was taking place. I don't know if it had something to do with tantric sex rituals. It's weird. It is weird, okay, that somehow this was taking place. And then we learned that a father,

Traugno, and then when I researched, It is weird, okay, that somehow this was taking place. And then we learned that a Father Trogneau, and then when I researched, of course he's from the Picardy region of France, that a Father Trogneau was there. So I'm gonna read you directly from that book. The book is called, This Suffering is My Joy.

And they don't even put the full name of Father Trogneau. I actually had to look up Father Trogneau after this book, but it tells us that the suspicions of Catholics being linked to the White Lotus sect led to a persecution in 1747 in which Martilia, I'm going to spell that for you guys, M-A-R-T-I-L-I-A-T, and other Europeans were forced to leave Sichuan for Macau. Okay, so they were French missionaries and they said that they somehow got blamed,

said that they were being accused of being a part of the White Lotus sect, but it tells us on the next page that under Miulanay, who was a Jesuit missionary that went into China, he then brought in three other Lazarists and their names were Fathers Ganden,

Father Monet and Father Trogno. But they were sent from France and they arrived in China at the end of 1733. And then they get accused. So 1733, they are in France, they enter into France, this Father Trogno,

and then by 1747, they're being linked to the White Lotus sect. So I will ask you, tell me more about the White Lotus sect. If you live in China, tell me the stuff that I can't find, because there does seem to be a wall between what happens in the East and what happens here.

What aspects of it were considered sexual perversion? They believe that like, I guess some rituals were taking place. Please tell me more about that. I am fascinated by that period in general. Like I said, not only because the French Revolution happens

but because another hit dog that hollered in all of this was when I talked about Jacob Frank. When I talked about this Frankist movement that took place at this same time, they were individuals that were, it was a cult of military. They believed in constantly changing their names and Jacob Frank's cousin was the person behind the French revolution. They mass converted into the Catholic church because they practice apostasy.

So the best way to bring down your enemies is from within. So to pretend that you're pious, that you're Catholic and then to crush the church from the inside. These are all available facts. You can go look this up. Jacob Frank's cousin went by three different names,

by the way, Austria, if you wanna look into the Von Schoenfeld family. It's, he went by Moses de Brusca, which was his real name. During the, what was his name during the French Revolution? Can you look that up? Look up Moses de Brusca. And I thought that's the easiest thing to spell,

but I'm gonna need to know before we, I need to figure this out because I wanna know what his three names were so people can kind of look into this individual. But yeah, and then he went in there into Strasbourg, he starts publicizing, cause they know that like, it's always been like

a press thing, like we have to control the press and fomenting unrest. And so now we're learning that in this exact same period, people are accused of doing stuff in China. I need to know what was going on. Like what, if anything was going on, like what if anything was going on. Here we are, Moses DeBroschka.

And he tells us that he was a writer, they're all writers, poets, and also a revolutionary. He was the first cousin of Jacob Frank, like I said, who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. I also heard that during that White Lotus rebellion, that person who eventually led that rebellion proclaimed that he was a Messiah, if I'm correct.

This very little stuff that I can find on it. Again, this is the beginning of research, but it tells us that he converted from Judaism to the Catholic faith and he took on the name Franz Thomas Schoenfeld. Right. So he went by Franz Thomas Schoenfeld. He also in Vienna went by Franz Thomas Elder von Schoenfeld.

And then he went by Moses Dobrushka and yeah, this guy Ephraim Joseph Hirschfeld, Hirschfeld was the last name. They just were, they were free masons at the end of the day. They were the main activists of the Masonic Lodge and they were active in Germany,

they were active in Austria between 1783 and 1790. And then obviously we know the French Revolution happens at that time. So lots of process there. I need to know more about what were the sexual perversions that they were accused of in this white Lotus sect,

if anything, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know anything right now. That's the point. That's why we go to you guys, because we get to just activate a bunch of investigators. Poor Elisa Palace saying up late right now watching this.

I think they really did believe that I was working with like Russian people, the Russian government, as well as the far right politicians in various countries. And truly, when we go through this court process, they're going to realize it's just moms and dads that are concerned about what's happening in the world right now, all over the world that are sending information, that are doing due diligence, that know something because

they were sailors or they were captains or they have access because they know how to research and archive center faster than I do. access because they know how to research an archive center faster than I do. They don't know how to respond to truth. They don't recognize it. They don't recognize genuine interest

because they've been so ingenuine their entire lives. When your entire life becomes a carefully woven lie, you do feel attacked when you see something that is truth, that is rising organically You don't even understand something that can be grown organically because your entire life is inorganic That's exactly what is happening right now at the L. E. Zay Palace

And so everybody tons of themes that we've covered today, but it's gonna take all of us So, please please please email tips at Candace Owenscom with whatever you can find. Again, making it clear to you guys, some of you guys are sending me names of people that are in the experiment. He was very clear that he used pseudonyms. So you're gonna say prisoner 2093, Tom Williams,

that person has not actually ever been identified. And as we now know, there were prisoners that were switching. So we are looking to find the real names. If you were in this experiment, maybe John Mark, you'd like to speak.

I don't know if you're still alive. I'll look into that. All part of our research. We're exploring, as I said, at the top of the show, every available lead, because now we need to find, we need to finally get to the truth

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Hopefully I'll be seeing you soon as we await this decision from the Supreme

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Governments are going after me and I've been so confused about why, cause I really am a nice person and I'm not involved in any conspiracies. No one is funding me to do anything but people that are out there that are supporting us. And I don't know, I just, I have faith in the people, I really do. Like, I'm like, we can do this. It's we, I don't have the money, but we will be able to, with you guys supporting me like this

and people buying and supporting my upcoming book and everything else, we'll be able to find it somewhere because we can't keep letting them do this. Like we will crush you and ruin your life and we'll impoverish you for speaking the truth because we don't want to. Like somebody has to take a stand. Somebody absolutely has to take a stand. Abdullah writes, and thank you, Abdullah,

that's also a really kind donation. Extradite Tom Alexandrovic to the USA. Yup, that is the Israeli that was arrested in Vegas. And yeah, Pam Bondi just couldn't get out there fast enough to condemn it like she did when that Zionist student got lightly shoved

on a college campus. That was the worst thing she's ever seen. But this, hands are tied, what can we say? The Menagerie by Drea Lee, thank you, from I think California, you are writing that SPE, oh, the Stanford Prison Experiment,

the person who ran it, Philip Zimbardo's follow-up slide show stated, quote, less good news is that Sarge, that's prisoner two zero nine three, was later arrested for high technology equipment theft. I couldn't find any arrest record in case someone else can. OK, that's a good thing that you're introducing. Prisoner two zero nine three was later arrested, according to Philip Zimbardo,

for high technology equipment theft. Could it be like a electromagnetic 8,000 pound electromagnetic lawsuit? I don't even know what you do with 8,000 pounds of magnet. I'm kidding there. I know that will then just appear in a later lawsuit. Oh, you accused her of being this print. No, I am just saying that that is interesting. Uh, that I don't't I literally don't know what you do with 8000 pounds of magnet.

Maybe somebody can tell me. agro not argonaut writes Trump's constant praise for Israel looks genuine doesn't look like blackmail Israel equals God Bible and he thinks God is saving him and Butler was a divine sign to do as Israel demands. This is his atonement. Could not disagree with you more. Obviously it's not genuine when you are gaslighting us about Jeffrey Epstein. If it was genuine, he thought that it was a mission, he would have no issue telling

us about Jeffrey Epstein because there's no way he thinks that his mission, his God-given mission is to protect a convicted pedophile. So I just I do forcefully reject the idea that this is just being motivated because he feels that it's his atonement in life. He is fearful of something in the files. We can guess as to what that is. We don't really have a clear idea of that, but it ain't God saving him.

I don't think. Heartless writes, Hey Candace, Hollywood is making incest more palatable or romanticizing it also on the house of dragon, game of thrones and a simple favor amongst other. Why fictional books and movies?

Why do fictional books and movies need an incest theme?

They don't.

But as we know, culture is how you, as they've studied, is how you infect minds. Don't forget Netflix, Sigmund Freud, relatives started Netflix, right? This is what they do, they know the power of television. They are literally telling us a vision,

telling us it's okay. That's why that book, Hollywood Babylon is even significant. It's why they turn people into stars and they get the stars to do things that seem outrageous because they know that it will create a following

as people will look at them and worship the stars. Like we learned in Hollywood Babylon, the book, they quite literally were trying to turn it into a religion. So you are being indoctrinated into a religion via culture. The question is, what religion is it? What religion is it that wants men to be women

and women to be men and wants to make us glorify incest as a theme? What religion is that exactly? The closest thing I can find to it would be Jacob Frank, the Frankists that were behind the French revolution. That would be the closest thing that I could find that mimics that apostasy, lying, propaganda,

writing, publishing, changing your names like gypsies, infiltrating, and practicing incest as a right. That was Kabbalistic. That's just the fact. And they don't like you talking about it. So maybe we should stop talking about it. So

maybe we should stop talking about it or

Take a week break so we can research and come back with absolute fire When we return with becoming Brigitte season two you guys ready your engines I'm back in touch with Xavier Poussard This is going to get to very interesting Certainly not what I think Emmanuel Macron thought was going to happen. Emmanuel Macron, I still do perceive you as a victim. I really do.

And I can't imagine what it is. I don't think you know anything but acting. I think when you get to that stage, having acted as we know all through your life, beginning when Brigitte pursued you, if somebody came in and said, cut,

I think you might feel like you don't even know who you are. Like, what do you mean? This is what I've always done. And so I am sympathetic to the 14 year old boy that was at that school, that was acting. And I can only imagine like, I don't know,

I don't even know how you would ever be able to put the genie back into the bottle. So you are fighting me because you need to accept that this reality is real, that everything that happened to you is okay. Reading the Sigmund Freud book

that I'm currently reading, the Assault on Truth, that reading my book club really lets me know that victims can become the most ardent defenders of their oppressors. That is the reality.

I mean, the way that you defended and the LAZ palace tried to lie when we watched Brigitte Macron physically lay hands on you is stunning. Your instinct was to protect the person that had hit you and to lie to the public, to gaslight the public.

You're angry at the public for knowing. It's fascinating. All of it is very fascinating and we're gonna get to something. What that something is, I don't know. You guys, while we are off, if you have been enjoying this

and you wanna invest in our series, please head to Candace Owens.com, sign up, buy a t-shirt, buy a hashtag free Emanuel t-shirt to support this lawsuit because they got money, money, and we don't. That is just, those are just the facts. It's never ending for them and they know that. And I am going to remain hopeful also if you can't,

because sometimes people are going through, uh, not the best financial time, pray for us. The prayers work. I believe that they have been keeping us protected and keeping us safe. And like I have been praying for stuff, information to just land on our lap so that we can get to the truth of this before we even ever arrive into the courtroom.

And I think that we're one step closer. Who is Jean-Marie Trogno? Hopefully we'll have more information for you when the Becoming Brigitte season 2 premieres in a little over a week. in a little over a week.

We'll see you then.