BREAKING: Trump Says Iranian 'CIVILIZATION WILL DIE TONIGHT'

Good morning, everybody.

Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today. Bro show. People live for the pound. It's great to see you, Ryan. Man, it's been a while since I've had a bro show.

Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time since a bro show.

It's been too long.

A lot has happened. A lot has happened. And of course, we find ourselves on the precipice of potentially one of the most important days in modern history with Donald Trump doubling down on his timeline. He gave a press conference at the White House yesterday. We watched all of it, so you don't have to.

We pulled some of the highlight, lowlights, whatever you wanna call them, including the deadline for striking. We also have breaking news as of this morning, the United States military conducting strikes all across Karg Island.

And Ryan, you have been on top of the case of some major energy infrastructure hits that happened in Saudi Arabia overnight, which the Western press is completely ignoring but highly significant. So you're gonna dig down into all of that.

Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, it's really not good. Yeah, if you like the economy and having income, not good.

All right, so that's that. And then we have Professor John Mearsheimer, he's going to stop by. He's going to tell us and obviously give us a reaction on, not only to the Donald Trump press conference, but the deadline about what it would mean to wipe out energy power plants where America stands in the globe. Then Ryan and I have a very fun story for everybody. So yesterday Donald Trump took to the podium and he announced that he was going to be prosecuting

whoever it is that leaked the story of a downed US airman. Ryan, you have now uncovered that it was actually an Israeli journalist, and it seems that the source was probably, at least initially according to the Israeli media, the Israeli Minister of Defense himself, and you know, Ryan, no one is above the law.

I am a journalist, I protect First Amendment American rights, but I checked. Israel's law is very clear. Resources, they must be revealed. There is no protection for national security. So will our president demand extradition of the Israeli Minister of Defense and this journalist or a prosecution in their homeland? I am simply-

Just get a long line of people not being extradited.

I am just a simple Israeli law respecter. That's all I am. I just wanna see the law apply. I don't make the, yeah, they made the law. Let's apply it equally, shall we? Interceptors, we're gonna talk,

we didn't have time to get into this yesterday. A huge drain in the US interceptor stockpile here in the United States. Some very troubling reporting, already stuff being pulled out of the Indo-Pacific. And then our producer Griffin did a good deep dive and prepared all of us. There has been some fascinating developments

with AI Sam Altman declaring super intelligence. He wants a new social contract. There's a new New Yorker profile about him. Some very troubling stuff inside of it that will break down. And then finally, Tucker Carlson having a show last night with his most vociferous attacks yet on Donald Trump,

effectively calling him the Antichrist and saying that he didn't put his Bible, hand on the Bible whenever he swore the oath of office. Something, you know, you and I are secular, we don't notice these things, but apparently Tucker did. And expounding not only that,

but on the president's deranged praise to Allah, Easter message. Before we get to that, thank you to everybody subscribing, breakingpoints.com. Please support the show. Ryan and I are doing the AMA today, a very coveted Sager and Ryan AMA. I think we've maybe only done one or two.

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literally right as we're recording, let's go ahead and put it up here, on the screen from Donald Trump. A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will.

However, now that we have a complete and total regime change where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world.

47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran." And so that is, of course, an extremely disturbing message there from the president. And coming after Ryan, the praise be to Allah, open the fucking strait, you crazy bastards.

I also am struck how I've almost never seen an American president declare a civilizational war effectively, maybe as the Second World War. And even at that time, we tried to make it clear we're not at war with the German people or the Japanese people, we're at war with the Japanese empire or with the Nazi regime.

I mean, if you were thinking about the great people of Iran who are gonna rise up, we're saying we're effectively in a war with you. We already were. I mean, this is Genghis Khan. Who is it? Who's the Khan who took Baghdad in the air? Is it Hulagu Khan? I think off the top of my head. I'm not sure which Khan that was.

But yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure Hulagu Khan was the last person to have this type of rhetoric before trying to storm into the Persian Empire and into Baghdad and all of those regions.

Or maybe Hitler.

Yeah, I mean, it is shocking. In the East. Yeah, I mean it is shocking and obviously East you and I are you know responding to this live But the implications of this are extremely dire because we're talking here about a president with the ability to end the world Literally who this is a gateway I think to nuclear weapons use It's not just about power plants and like we are this is the worst case scenario I don't get that there's another way to describe it. No, I think that's right.

And it seems like Trump is banking on the Iranians backing down. And I have never wanted to be wrong about something more than I wanna be wrong about this. But my understanding is that the Iranian government does not feel like Trump is in a poll position,

does not feel like Trump has the cards, as Trump likes to say. My understanding is that they are not going to submit to greater and greater threats on social media.

Would you?

I mean, if I really thought the nukes were gonna go off, then I don't know. But it doesn't matter what I would do really because yeah my sense is that they are not going to back down to this. So if Trump's calculation is that he's going to be able to ratchet up his T in the taco to such a degree that the other side is going to fold, he is miscalculating. And that is going to mean either

something cataclysmic in a biblical scale or a taco of the highest order.

Well let's make sure that we lay the ground for that. Let's put A6 up there on the screen before you even get to Trump's press conference. This was from you guys over at DropSight. Iran has rejected the temporary ceasefire and says it's already laid out its terms for agreement. I do think this is very important to put together with that Truth Social post,

because obviously Trump is both trying to sound extraordinarily incendiary, but also leave himself, I guess, like you said, some sort of major taco. It is Taco Tuesday, after all, where he says, we have a complete and total regime change, we're different, smarter,

and less radicalized minds prevail. Maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, who knows? I mean, it is difficult to see whether he is talking about an organic revolution after collapsing the country into a state of civil war,

or some sort of temporary ceasefire that will be put into place. But what did Jeremy and you guys find out from the Iranians about what they want for some sort of temporary ceasefire? And remember, all of us are on watch. 8 p.m. Tuesday is when the president says

that his deadline expires.

Yeah, what Jeremy found is that they are not interested in a temporary ceasefire, that they seem to believe that the U.S., which keeps asking for this temporary pause of anywhere from two days to three days to 45 days, they need it, or that the United States needs it. The sense is that the U.S. is exhausted, that Israel is exhausted, that it is firing off

its ammunition and its defense measures at a scale that really wasn't contemplated by our kind of productive capacity. And so they want a break. And the Iranians are saying, we're not giving you a break. What we want is a permanent end to the war. And if you look at the... so they keep... you keep seeing circulated this like 10-point plan.

This is what the Iranians have been putting forward for many weeks now. And if you look at it, it actually in significant ways preserves the American dollar. It preserves American hegemony in a way that it's not obvious the US can even get it militarily. In other words, let's say they finish up with some type of a toll where they split the $2 million a ship or whatever, and they split it with Oman, but the strait is open. You still then have the capacity for oil to be sold in dollars and for the US to control energy supplies energy supplies and maritime shipping which is the essence of

The American Empire like that's it and everything that we enjoy here in the United States Rests upon that the 40 trillion dollars in debt is financed by the fact that the entire world Uses the dollar if the world stops using the dollar, then they stop buying treasuries. If they stop buying treasuries, the cost of our borrowing makes it impossible for us to have the economy and society that we have. It all crumbles down. And I've seen a lot of people be like, oh wait, this is cool. Like

oil is going down, plastic is going down, like AI is going down, all the worst things in the world are going down. Well, Gulf money also finances kind of clean energy, but also, yes, there's too much plastic in takeout, but there's also plastic everywhere, hospitals, fertilizer, without fertilizer, you don't have food.

So the entire, you get a massive just social collapse. And yes, okay, there'll be less plastic in the ocean, but you'll also have famine. Yeah, society, civilization collapse, exactly. Like literal pan famine, like across the world. There is a way to transition away from some of the poisons and toxins that are in our world now.

This is not it. I mean, this is a way to transition to something different.

That's the thing, and I don't think people, I mean, again, for most people who are normally living about their daily lives, I really don't think they know much about this war. I think it's very COVID-esque. I've compared it to February 2020. Right now, let's speed it up.

What was the day before the lockdown? It was like March 15th, 2020. Hyper online freaks like me had my mask, had my goggles, had my, I'd already been wearing masks.

Stocked up on coffee and toilet paper.

Yeah, I had emergency rations. I had it all ready to go. The vast majority of people, I remember I lived across from a bar, people were out at the bar, and then lockdown was literally the next day. And I was like, oh my God, they have no idea what is coming.

I had this crazy experience, I was like, Alizan, we gotta get to Costco, we need all our crap. And I was like, it's gonna be a madhouse. And she calls me from there, she's like,

there's nobody here, I think you might oh, well. That's how I feel. We're two weeks early. I feel like everyone is gonna wake up tomorrow and that is how history happens. Like it genuinely does turn on a dime and then all of a sudden you are genuinely living in a new world. And just to show you all how close we are, I mean, this genuinely might be one of the most

historic shows we ever do, considering we're in a new world. So here is Donald Trump, he laid out his full deadline yesterday from the White House podium, A1, let's take a listen.

Said that very little is off limits in Iran as far as targeting, including power plants, bridges, you've mentioned those.

Very little is off limits.

Are there certain kinds of civilian targets though,

I'm thinking schools or hospitals that you think are off?

I don't wanna tell you that. I don't wanna tell you that. We have a plan, because of the power of our military, where every bridge in Iran will be decimated by 12 o'clock tomorrow night, where every power plant in Iran will be out of business, burning, exploding, and never to be used again. I mean, complete demolition by 12 o'clock. And it'll happen over a period of four hours

if we want it to. We don't want that to happen. We may even get involved with helping them rebuild their nation. And you know what? If that's the case, the last thing we want to do

is start with power plants, which are among the most expensive thing, and bridges.

8 p.m. to midnight Eastern time is definitely the time, I think, to be aware. That's when all of these strikes will be happening. I do think it is very important to note here that the maximalist positions, as you said, have not been backed down.

Iran remains steadfast, as you laid out, and Jeremy, in their story. Look, we'll let you preserve the dollar, but we are charging tolls through the straight. We are making sure that you're not going to attack us. In the future, there will be no temporary ceasefire. When the guns stop, they stop forever,

and you will be paying us some sort of reparation. Now, we can fudge the way that that reparation math-

They're willing to ditch the reparations

if they can charge the toll. I was going to say, so that we can fudge the math in terms of how that reparation gets paid. They either get to earn it or not. But this is on the brink of a literal, as Trump said, a civilizational collapse in Iran, a country of some 94 million people. Trump was asked specifically about those tolls being charged.

And ironically, while the rest of the world is like, we need to establish freedom of navigation in the Straits of Hormuz, he's like, well, instead of the Iranians charging a toll, maybe I will charge a toll. Let's take a listen.

Are you allowed to, or are you willing to end this conflict with Iran charging tolls for passage through the Strait?

Us charging tolls?

Iran.

What about us charging Tulsa? Is that something you're considering? I'd rather do that than let them have them run. Why shouldn't we? We're the winner. We won. Okay? They are militarily defeated.

The only thing they have is the psychology of, oh, we're going to drop a couple of mines in the water. All right? No, we, I mean, we have a concept where we'll charge Tulsa. Okay? concept where we'll charge Tulsa. Yeah. I thought you meant

your question. Your question.

Your question would have been more accurate if you said.

So you could see what he's laying out there. And I do think, you know, if we combine the civilization truth with what he said yesterday on the White House lawn, when he was asked specifically about whether

he would be committing a war crime to strike Iran's bridges and power plants, he called them animals. It links very directly with what you were talking about with the civilization war, Ryan. Let's take a listen and I'll get Ryan's reaction.

Mr. President, how would it not be a war crime to strike Iran's bridges and power plants?

Because they killed 45,000 people in the last month. More than that, it could be as much as 60. They killed protesters, they're animals. And we have to stop them and we can't let them have a nuclear weapon. Very simple.

Trump was asked about the war crimes question multiple times yesterday, brushed him off both, basically said, we can do whatever we want. That is true. You certainly can. But then, you know, the rest of the world, don't be surprised, how many strikes have we covered of the Iranians hitting Israeli location or something like that? Civilians are buried under the rubble.

And then when the Israelis complain, people are like, really? You people are the ones to complain? I mean, you and I are horrified no matter what at the people's bodies getting dug out of the rubble, whether it's a Gazan, whether it's an Israeli, whether it's an Iranian, hopefully not in the future a US citizen, but this is the world that we're going to live in now.

And it's not that there was a law constraining it, it's that the US didn't operate this way specifically because A, we didn't want it to happen to us, we wanted to make sure also that any allies or the way that wars and all of that would be fought would to be to minimize explicitly some sort of cash, and also of the international picture.

I don't think it's a surprise. Just yesterday, the UK announced they will not allow the use of any of their bases to be used for any strike on Iranian energy infrastructure. They're like, we will have no part in this whatsoever. This is not like Spain.

We're talking about the United Kingdom.

Yeah, our special friend or whatever.

Yeah, of the United States. Yeah, our special friend or whatever. Yeah, of the United States.

Yeah, justifying killing civilians by saying they're animals is genocidal language. Notice he, now he's saying there were 45,000 people killed in the protests. He says maybe there were 60,000 people killed in the protests.

This is just after he acknowledged that the US sent in a bunch of, he said a bunch of a lot. He said a lot a lot of weapons to the to the protesters trying to Create the very thing that he is saying Happened the Iranians have put out the names of roughly 3,000 people Many of them, you know police and security officials who died during those those clashes Three they say it's 3,000 and they say if you have names of people who died during those clashes. They say it's 3,000.

And they say if you have names of people who died during those days, submit them to us and we will add them to the list. Where are the names of these 45,000 to 60,000 people that he just keeps manufacturing? In any event, that would not be a reason

to kill 90 or 100 million people or to destroy an entire civilization. The protests were centered around universities. Trump is blowing up all of the universities. So how does he even remotely begin to square that? I mean, he doesn't even try. Like, I don't even know what we're talking about.

So Trump also... you you wanna roll A4?

Oh yeah, this is great. Yeah, so this is Trump was asked, was something I laid out earlier. It's like, hey, we're in a civilizational war. We're gonna bomb you. We're gonna destroy your entire country.

We're gonna bomb you back to the Stone Ages. And Iran is actually going to like it. And he keeps, he actually even at one point, I believe he said that the Iranians are actually asking the US to keep bombing them. Let's take a listen.

You've said Iranians would be mad if you stopped these attacks, but why would they want you to blow up their infrastructure, to cut off their power? Wouldn't that be punishing Iranians for the actions of the regime?

They would be willing to. They would be. And it's suffering. They would be willing to suffer that in order to have freedom. The Iranians have. We've had numerous intercepts. Please keep bombing bombs that are dropping near their homes. Please keep bombing.

Do it. And these are people that are living with the bombs are exploding. And when we leave and we're not hitting those areas, they're saying, please come back, come back, come back. These are the people.

This hoax is one which exists deeply in US media. In fact, do you want to talk about the BBC thing? There's an unfolding scandal right now of the, maybe we'll edit this in post, but it does matter just to show you the manufacturing consent, the way that this type of BS probably makes its way up to the president.

But effectively, there was a quote in the BBC. And also, we can verify here at Breaking Points, this is the second time such a thing has happened. Our friend Trita Parsi was actually on BBC and had multiple clips played to him of Iranians who were saying that they liked the bombing, and he called them out live on the air.

He was like, guys, maybe that that is a view. But to say that that's the only view in Iran is preposterous. And it does now appear that the BBC put a quote in one of their stories where they quoted some guy living in Tehran saying, quote, about them hitting energy infrastructure using an atomic bomb or leveling Iran. My honest reaction is that I am okay with all of these. The quote after it was called out were silently disappeared and then was replaced by something

completely anodyne. And it is now appears they may, they either fabricated it or they silently removed it, they have issued no correction. What's the new quote?

The new quote is, if attacking targets in the country brings down the Islamic Republic, I'm fine with that because if the Islamic Republic survives this war, it will stay forever. That's the new quote.

Okay, that is not even remotely the same thing. And so that was either a paraphrase, a mistake. Is there an edit, by the way, any sort of correction? No, nothing. So far, all they've done is silently edit it. Now, look, it's a minor, not minor, it's a big story.

Obviously, it's a scandal, I think, for the BBC. But the point is is that this is how it works, is you find these fringe actors. Remember that Afro woman who was on television who was like, please, Mr. President, keep bombing my country and then was so upset whenever he did. And she was like, no, not like that. That's not what I meant.

I just saw this morning, a advisor to, or some analyst for Iran International, some monarchist is out there being like, Trump should nuke Iran. I mean, this is a sickness. Were there Japanese, like, can you imagine in 1945 that there were like some Japanese American,

and he's like, please, President Truman, nuke my country. Like, you have to do it for the good of the Japanese people.

This is a perverse, like, 21st century creation. An even better example, a Pakistani friend of mine was just saying the other day, he's like, I think Asim Munir is a brutal dictator who kills innocent people in the streets, is dragging Pakistan back into the past. I could not, there aren't enough adjectives

for me to describe how I feel about that man and the military establishment that runs Pakistan. Never in his wildest dreams, he said, would he imagine urging other countries to bomb Pakistan. That's, I think sickness is right.

Literally, it's like a perverse.

How your mind even gets to that place is.

It's a mental illness, but the point about this mental illness is that this artificial narrative has been elevated by extremely fringe elements of the Iranian diaspora, which bubbles up to Fox News and to BBC, and then this BS gets put in front of the president,

and he's like, you know what, that's it. They want me to bomb them, right? This is how somebody psychologically can either say that the regime are animals, but I care about the great people of Iran. Well, if you only talk to these 2% or whatever

of Iranians who live in Los Angeles, and they're the ones who are telling you and encouraging you to keep bombing, this is the condition. And of course, in our media, the scandal of the BBC quote is effectively nothing.

It's not like any of the media journalists or misinformation, where are they? Where are you? Right? This stuff matters. It is literally being used to perpetuate potentially one of the worst bombing campaigns since the Second World War on an entire civilian population for nothing. At least Japan

attacked us in World War II. Okay?

Yeah, and this brings us actually to the next element of our of this conversation Because if it was true that the Iranians were begging to be bombed and because the bombs represent liberation The way that the saga around the downed Airmen played out would have been completely different instead. You have US officials who have said Everyone with a gun in Iran who was in range of us, and many people who weren't even in range, were shooting at us.

Yes, that was a direct quote from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is that everybody in Iran with a gun was shooting at us. Does that sound like a population that wants to be liberated? Oh, absolutely not.

You know, I've done a lot of reading. I recommend the most successful book on the Second World War bombing campaign from the US perspective, the Eighth Air Force Masters of the Air. They made it into a TV series.

And they talk explicitly about how when these airmen would get shot down, they would often be terrorized and in some cases killed, US airmen, by the German populace because, I think, I forgot the German word,

they would call them like, it's like Terrorflieger or something like that, Terror Flyers, because of the bombing campaign. And that was in a much more targeted bombing campaign by the United States, but they'd been whipped up by the Nazi regime and also, of course,

by the bombing itself to be like, you're the people who are bombing our cities into oblivion and they would attack them, they would kill them. Dresden. Well, that was a little bit later on. But my point is that even in the midst of all of that, of the vigorous attempts of the US to try to bomb

like railways or submarine.

People don't like being bombed.

Right, people do not like to be bombed. And so it's the same scenario, right? Vietnam, read the testimony of any of these fliers shot down who became POW in North Vietnam. Very often the villagers would take them captive and turn them over and go on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. It'd be horrible for all of these people.

Yeah, because you can't sleep at night because of the fear and the sound of the bombing. They probably killed some people that you know. So, and they're so distant from you, they're way up there in the sky, when you finally get them, oh my God, this is the person that is dead.

Yeah, are we justifying? No, what we're saying is that this is an absurd idea that they're wishing to be bombed. There's no evidence of that whatsoever. Trump also, look, just last thing here before we move on to these recent strikes by Carg Island. I do think it is just very important to lay out,

you know, we talked yesterday about what that rescue operation looked like. We don't know the full details. Remember, it's not like the US military hasn't lied to us about Jessica Lynch or about Pat Tillman. So like for anybody saying that they always tell the truth,

yeah, be around the block a little bit longer. Or the Osama Bin Laden raid. Just filled with, filled with ingrates. Even to this day, people are still litigating what happened on the Bin Laden raid. So what is important to say, at the very least, is you can look at it two ways.

This extraordinary operation, we got our guy, nobody was killed, great. Also, several hundred million dollars in aircraft. It took hundreds, hundreds, by the testimony of the president to be able to get these people out. It didn't go exactly to plan. There were significant amounts of fire, enemy fire, helicopters, A-10s, and all of that shot down.

And this is on the brink of potential ground operation that could be happening around either tonight or sometime in the future. So let's take a listen, A9 please, of what the president said.

We immediately mobilized a massive operation to retrieve him from the mountain holdout. And he kept going higher and higher. The mountain kept getting rougher and rougher and really very, very hard to find. The second rescue mission involved 155 aircraft, including four bombers, 64 fighters, 48 refueling tankers, 13 rescue aircraft, and more.

We were bringing them all over, and a lot of it was subterfuge. We wanted to have them think he was in a different location because they had a vast military force out there. Thousands, thousands of people were looking.

So we wanted them to look in different areas. So we were scattered all over, like we were right on top of them. We had seven different locations where they thought, and they were very confused. They said, well, wait a minute, they've got groups here,

they've got groups there. It's amazing.

155 aircraft, he said several hundred Americans were involved in this operation. So look, I mean, I tend to think it was a little bit of both, that they were both battle testing. So this potential uranium operation, seeing how many guys can we get down there?

Can we get a forward refueling point? How many people, how long can we be on the ground? We have to go do it anyways. Let's try and do a little testing. And so you can see, while as well as it went from the tactical point of view, it also showed the many perils of what prolonged deployment

deep inside of Iran could bring for all of us. And again, right before we move on to Karg, and let's just say like the civilization tweet, I don't know about you, Ryan, I have never actually, I've always been afraid Israel would use a nuclear weapon. When you read a whole civilization will die tonight,

I'm not really sure you can rule it out. And I had, I'm being honest. Even as far, as upset as I am about this, I really did not fear a use of a tactical nuke until right now.

Yeah, and we'll talk about Tucker later. He's suggesting that Mark Levin is urging it. And Mark Levin has been getting his way, like every step of the way.

And I mean, I think it's just important to say, like, there's no such thing as a tactical nuclear weapon. It doesn't exist. A nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon, whether it's on an artillery shell or not. Once you cross that threshold, you've crossed it.

And then it's over. I mean, we've got North Korea with ICBMs, we've got all these other countries with ICBMs, they're gonna be like, well, you did it, all right, so now that's just the reality of war. China, okay, tactical nuke, we're gonna nuke Taiwan if you don't peacefully reunify.

I'm not saying they would do that, they'd probably be foolish to do so, There's no rights, everything is constrained. Yes, right, of course, radioactive fallout.

Straight up removes, as people love to say, it's not very wide, you're gonna put a nuke right there? It's terrible. What if the wind is blowing west?

It really is, and just to see it, it's not just about crass, it's like this is real. There's 93 million people's lives who are at stake, and who even knows about what this will mean for the prolonged future of the United States. And who are offering a fine deal. Like the deal's fine. I know.

That's the craziest part is, gosh, take the deal. The deal before would have been better. It would have been better than the Iran deal. The deal now is better than whatever the hell this is. Can you imagine? If you collapse a civilization of 93 million,

the refuge, I refuge, Syria, how many people live in Syria, Priyasat? But, 20 or 30? Yeah, nothing, right? A third, something like that? And it caused the worst refugee crisis in modern history. Just destabilized all of Europe, changed the country of Turkey forever, demographically.

Syria alone, I mean, God, think about what's happened. Produced ISIS? Yeah, ISIS, I mean, all of the fallout. Even Iraq, Iraq was nothing compared to this. This really.

And if you have a famine in Africa.

Oh man, yeah.

Libya, the gateway. All right, well, it looks like we'll, at the very least, we'll be here covering it with all of you. Okay, let's move on to Carg Island. If you liked that video, hit the like button or leave a comment below. It really helps get the show to more people. And if you'd like to get the full show,

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