BREAKING: Trump's Epstein Letter Raises Minor Questions

Hey everybody, Tim Miller from The Bulwark here. We have breaking news. We have now seen an image of that graphic, very familiar, very conspiratorial letter that Donald Trump sent to Jeffrey Epstein for his birthday, the famous 50th birthday book that the Wall Street Journal had broken the news on, that Trump had written this letter about the many wonderful secrets that he wishes Jeffrey Epstein have and how they have certain things in common.

The official image now was shared with Congress by lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein's estate. So I assume that somebody in Congress, I guess, then shared this with the Wall Street Journal. As it so happens, sometimes you get serendipity here in the commentary space. Will Sommer, my colleague and I, were having to already be on MSNBC to talk about various issues, news of the day.

And so I want you to stick around for kind of a broader discussion than me at will have about this. But a few additional thoughts I just want to revise and extend or maybe more YouTube appropriate. We look at this image here, let's pull it up. Art is Donald Trump's passion.

Graphic design is his passion. And so he does this drawing here. And one thing I wanna mention is the two breasts. Not my area of expertise as a gay man, but two breasts, they look like potentially that of a younger woman. And that doesn't,

and if you're gonna draw a body birthday card letter, which was that keyword that the Wall Street Journal kept using body, if you're gonna draw one of those, you might think it would feature a very buxom woman. You know, I hear that's what the straight guys are into.

Might be somebody with huge boobs, but that's not the picture he are into. Might be somebody with huge boobs, but that's not the picture he drew here. Again, might be nothing. I think if you combine it with this little scene, set piece that he had written, where Donald talks mysteriously about how

there's something that you can have that's more than everything. And how Jeffrey says he doesn't know what it is, but then Donald says, well, we share certain things in common. And that is right underneath the little small breasts. And then he goes on to talk about how enigmas never age. Again, maybe it's aboutrey and his 50th birthday but

then he continues to go on to talk about how he wishes that every day be another wonderful secret i mean it's the biggest coincidence in history if this letter the subtext of this letter is not that jeffrey epstein's secret is that he is sleeping with and trafficking very young women, possibly underage girls. I mean, definitely he was trafficking underage girls. I guess my point is that Trump would at minimum have known that he was sleeping with and whatever word you want to use next to trafficking providing younger women to older successful

men and that's at minimum something that seems like Donald Trump is familiar with, possibly more. There you have it. It's quite the drawing. You know, again again coincidences happen. I've never sent any birthday cards to serial sex traffickers of underage

women. I've never sent any birthday cards where I draw a yucky picture of what might be a young girl on it. I don't think most people have. I think if you combine the familiarity here, the degree of bromance with the fact that now Donald Trump is trying to cover up any additional information being brought out about this, a picture comes into place of Donald Trump being complicit

in Jeffrey Epstein's actions. So I don't know, hopefully we'll learn more as more information comes out. I'm glad that Congress is doing some oversight here and I think there'll be opportunities for a lot more oversight if Democrats take back Congress next year.... so that is uh... my breaking news intro there's much more

uh... with uh... katie ter will summer myself we've which is also on their uh... uh... so stick around for that subscribe to the feed

season breaking news at washington the house oversight committee just received files from the estate of jeffrey i've Democratic spokesperson says committee Democrats are reviewing hundreds of documents handed over to the committee and they have just released that body drawing allegedly drawn by President Trump for Epstein's 50th birthday.

Here it is.

Yeah, I mean, look, this is the letter that has all the stuff about, you know, secrets and ages not changing, things like that. I mean, so I think it's great to see it. that has all the stuff about secrets and ages not changing, things like that. I think it's great to see it. The instant reaction I'm seeing from right-wing media, they're really focusing a lot on the signature saying, Charlie Kirk, for example, is saying, that doesn't really look like Trump's

signature. It looks just like Trump's signature. If you pull up what Trump's signature looks like, it looks pretty much exactly like that. So, you know, I think this is going to keep the story going, the Epstein story that Trump has obviously tried to avoid, you know, that and Mike Johnson claiming and now backing off the idea that Trump was some sort of FBI informant against Epstein. I think the story is

sort of turning against the administration once again. Yeah, I mean, I am pulling up Donald Trump's

signature right now and gosh, the D is exactly the same. I mean, I don't know. Listen, I'm not a handwriting expert, but this was in the birthday book. The Wall Street Journal reports that he submitted it. Donald Trump denies it. It's just a weird thing, Tim, to, it's a weird hill to die on. I did not write that letter. I did not draw that picture. We all know they were friends friends it's been documented that they were friends why why are they so concerned about admitting that Donald Trump sent him an image like this it's not like

anyone it's like no one knows that Donald Trump himself is body yeah I

think it's their instinct to lie for starters was when they're presented with inconvenient information it's easier for them to talk about the fake news and say and blame the fake news and actually engage in the merits on this one in particular and yeah i mean it it is true that it's not known the donald trump was body but there is this need those that that will could talk about for sure on the

right and some of the mega right in the q and i'm right that trump was like fighting against you know the elite pedophile rings out there and that he was, you know, some some warrior on the inside who was going to expose all these people and now here he is not only not exposing them all but writing this note to to Epstein here that is extremely familiar, right? Like the it's one thing is sure it is true that

famous people sometimes sign birthday cards for people or sign generic notes for people. That is not what we're seeing here. We have this drawing of what appears to be a young woman, I would say, and Donald Trump talking about how they share certain things in common, about how they have all these wonderful secrets together.

It's a letter from two guys that get in trouble together and have a bromance. That's what this is. It's not some generic letter and so I think that's why they probably are more sensitive about it because it's it's not as if it's just two famous people getting their picture together at another famous person's party. It's more intimate. I hear you on that but I

don't think even if would it be surprising that Donald Trump wrote something like this to one of his friends? No, even if that friend did turn out to be a creep, I'm not sure it would be surprising. I don't know if that inherently means that Donald Trump himself is also engaging in the same behavior. He was interacting with lots of people. I think making that jump is easier to do

if the person is being cagey about it and strange and not admitting to just some obvious things. When you're not saying, yeah, I wrote this, I did do this picture. No, it's not me, somebody else drew it. It's not my signature.

When it looks exactly like your signature, that starts to raise more questions. But I want to linger on what Tim said a moment ago about the right canonizing Donald Trump as the figure who was going to expose all of this. Speaker Mike Johnson had this very weird moment on Friday where he suggested that Donald Trump was actually an FBI informant against Jeffrey Epstein. He was the one that

tipped off the FBI back in the early 2000s. He walked that back and cleaned it up a bit in a statement today, but it just was out there for three or four days out there in the press. Where does that come from, this idea that Donald Trump was the one?

By the way, we had Tom Winter on earlier today. He's reviewed the documents, and the initial tip came from, according to the government documents, came from the family members of some of the girls who were victimized.

So in this case, I mean, look, conspiracy theorists, QAnon believers, Trump supporters have had a problem for a long time, which is how do you square Donald Trump's friendship with this convicted sex, or excuse me, charged sex trafficker and pedophile, all these things, and convicted pedophile, all these things, and convicted pedophile. And what they came up with was, well, maybe Trump was kind of going in on the inside to

expose Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe he made Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal, maybe he put him in the cabinet to draw attention to how awful this deal was. So they kind of exist in this alternate universe. And that's only gotten worse since Trump tried to close the Epstein case along with Pam Bondi.

And so, again, it's bizarre to me that this has reached the point where the Speaker of the House is now saying, well, maybe Trump is an FBI informant. Maybe he was working to take down Epstein. But really, I mean, they're grasping at straws because, as you said, Katie, the whole thing is really weird. The idea that Trump was friends with this notorious

pedophile and all of a sudden his administration is doing everything they can to stop this discussion about it.

Just go back to this drawing and the signature, which people online are saying is not his. Screen right is the is an executive order. Screen left is the signature on the birthday book. So yeah, you decide whether you think that looks similar or not. Tim, what do you think?

They look similar to me, Katie, but just like circling back about how they don't really care about the brazenness of their lies. It's worth maybe remembering that the vice president when the story first came out

in the wall street journal first uh... ran a tweet of this uh... forgive my language of the story is complete and other bs here it's about the wall street journal should be ashamed for public for publishing it where is this letter so uh... you know i mean at that time they had to know that this really

existed that it was true but they don't care about that you know they try to live one news cycle to news cycle and they're happy to advance lies if it suits them in the moment and I think that they will grasp for anything that will suit them now but I don't I can't that they will grasp for anything that will suit them now but I don't I can't

I think it's pretty clear what was happening here with the daily forward to the Daily Mail handwriting expert that will inevitably show up at the