Charlie Kirk Memorial, Trump's $100K H-1B Visa Plan & Kimmel's Rumored Return | PBD Podcast | Ep 653

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All right gang for those of you that watched the memorial or were there you probably experienced what we experienced it was a Magical event. I can't wait to share a couple things with you everything from the moment. We there you probably experienced what we experienced it was a magical event I can't wait to share a couple things with you everything from the moment we left to land it to be in there to all of a sudden we're sitting at and sitting at a place Ilan comes and sits right next to my oldest son Tico Tico's looking at him they're having a conversation for two hours just you know literally right next

to each other reaction by the way he just you know to him that's his guy. He's a big Eli Gassler.

I thought he said he went like no no and then I heard him he was like this cool when the Rockets land. Seats taken buddy.

Yeah yeah yeah.

Well he took my seat.

And the speech everybody from Don Jr.'s funny, hilarious, President getting up there doing his thing, talking about, I hate my opponents. I know that's not Charlie, I just hate my opponents. I hate them, I don't know, I can't help myself. These left, what do you call them? These radical left lunatics.

He said, they tell me to say just left, but I like to call them lunatics. And then a couple guys that got up and gave the message. Erica at the end when she gave the message was something else. So we got a lot of stories to go through. A lot of stories to go through.

Some things that happened yesterday that I got a question for these guys. Specifically for these guys after yesterday's event. So we'll see what the answer's gonna be like. By the way, we got back here this morning, got one o' hotel down the street. He was still late today.

And Rob, on his way back, he was in the middle of a...

Standoff.

Terrible.

Did you mean a standstill or standoff?

No, it was a police standoff. They had a car to the side of the road, helicopters and 20 to 30 cop cars.

Vinny, what'd you do?

I was trying to get home asleep to do this. Okay, so let's go through them. Trump to impose $100,000, by the way, Tom is joking. Trump to impose $100,000 fee on H-1B visa applications. Tear gas used on protesters at Chicago area ICE facility amid immigration enforcement clashes. We're going to talk about obviously all the things that happened yesterday at the memorial. Jimmy Kimmel and talks with Disney exec to negotiate a return of the late-night show the former Disney

Michael Eisner CEO Had a few things to say you have to hear what this guy had to say which by the way Tom says he made a lot of good points Van Jones shared a private DM from Charlie Kirk and Van Jones who is not on the same page politically as Charlie Kirk got emotional Sharing what happened with that Soros cuts ten million dollar check for California's redistricting campaign But there's another data that also came out that he gave it eighty million dollars

That I want to talk about to see what this guy's doing What is what is this guy's motive to try to divide America to these leftist groups? Glorifying terrorism and violence. What is wrong with this guy? This is why President Trump said we may look into him for Ricocase. And we'll see.

We'll see what's going to happen there. Trump called out Pambandi in a very assertive way. Yesterday, Trump and Elon reunited, first time shaking hands, and Trump was asked about it on Air Force One. And so Trump declares Antifa a major terrorist group. Trump predicts government could have a shutdown, which is concerning for some people.

His margin of approval jumps 10 points in four days. Polls say we got a bunch of H1B stuff to talk about. Chicago. One of the things he said yesterday He says you know Charlie Kirk is from Chicago and Charlie would tell me this is Trump speaking Charlie would tell me mr. President We got to find a way to clean the streets of Chicago. We got to find him

He says we're gonna clean. We're gonna clean the streets of Chicago. He actually said it was their last conversation, right? It's the last Chicago. I will Charlie. That's right Trump eyeing to return to Afghanistan Saying us is trying to get back Bagram airbase interesting the tick-tock deal will talk about that Trump suggesting pulling licenses of Certain networks. There's a new video of Tyler Robinson that was found Erica Kirk is officially the CEO and chair of Turning Point USA.

Bill Maher slams Hollywood. Pete Buttigieg responds to Kamala Harris saying the reason why he wouldn't, she wouldn't, she didn't pick him is because he's gay, which is, you know, deeply concerning for that community. Victoria Secret ditches, ditches, woke rebrand and vows to return to unapologetically sexy roots. What a common sense idea to return to.

Oh my god.

In other words, back when they had good sales.

What is a woman? Exactly. And then, could 2028, this is political, could 2028 be the YouTube election?

Uh oh. What are they talking about? Are they saying podcasts and YouTubes and creating your own, you know, platform could be the reason some people could get elected in 2028? Who knows? Josh Shapiro says Kamala Harris will have to answer for never raising concerns over Biden's death. And then we got a bunch of other things that's going on here. However,, I'm gonna tell you this

something special happened last week before we went to The memorial Vinny had a new collection and we just got a report from Leo how successful that collection was I'm gonna have Vinny say few thoughts and few words about the faith over fear Vinny Share with them why you're excited about this shirt. We rarely do back to back. I don't think we ever have done back to back.

But it's such a big hit, especially with the timing of it. So as you guys can tell, cross on the front, faith on the fear on the back. I wore this on Sunday and I went to a diner and I'm sitting there, guys, a guy pats me on the back, sits down next to me, starts telling a story about his faith and his family, starts crying. A waitress comes and she's just sitting there, her name is Mary, sitting there staring at me.

I'm at Lester's Diner. I had five people around me talking about faith and what, you know, what, this, something, something is happening, Pat. I got emotional walking in here today with you and crying. And guys, just having faith, okay? Matt Zapala, you mind if I say? Crazy.

Guys, Matt Zapala is a huge, big time, loyal, amazing, amazing guy and friend with his wife, Sheena. Dude, he just got on a plane, literally, flew to Arizona, no joke, I think Pat, you're gonna send it to Rob? Guys, he flies to Arizona, no nothing, no ticket.

He has no way to get in.

He has no way to get in. He texts Pat, goes, I'm here. Guys, and Rob, how many people were walking around outside?

Well, they said that there were around 100,000 in the area. There were 60,000 inside the stadium,

so 40,000 walking around trying to find a way to get in. We're driving in circles, we don't know where we're going. And out of nowhere, out of nowhere, we see Matt Zapala. Now Pat goes, hey, there's Matt right there. There he is, and long story short, we get him in the vehicle, and he goes, and Pat goes, Pat goes, what are you doing here? No life, no, he's like.

He said, faith over fear. No, he goes, I am and he got in our van and we got him in and the word faith jumped out I go I go see how see how God works. So I tell so guys so the thing behind is just having faith over fear we don't like we don't know none of us saw Jesus Christ but I have faith because I've heard the stories and I believe I believe in my

heart of hearts and never guys all this stuff everything that happened with Charlie zero fear zero fear We found out that Charlie God rest his soul died Instantly and I have faith that in that instant second he was With Jesus and he was with God in heaven, so that's it guys so faith over fear let people know that I'm not scared

We're not scared about nothing zero because we have faith so period go period. Go to VTMerch.com, place your order, Faith Over Fear, Rob, can we make sure we put the, if you can go to the website so I can show exactly where it's at and they can find it, you literally go to VTMerch.com, and it's the first thing we have there.

Go on the collection, there's multiple colors, the white the red is doing really good. Yeah, go whichever color you get that one you pick and choose gray

Get your shirt represent and does that show that video of him what the bat? So this is Matt's a guy This is 40,000 people walking on a look There he is Look at him look at that. He's trying to find a way to get in. I know who's FaceTiming him. He's FaceTiming him. I'm recording him. I'm like, get in the car, buddy. He's like, what car? I said, turn around.

I said, look at him. I'm like,

get over here, just straight.

Guys, he literally

took a leap of faith. He goes, I'm just getting on an airplane. You wanna see the before and after? So we get there, he gets in with us, he didn't know he was gonna get a ticket. Next thing you know, thanks to PBD, thanks to our crew, thanks to Turning Point. Look how close Matt, who had no access, he's standing in the front row with me, David Harris Jr., Matt Zabar.

Hey, look, we made it.

Having faith, bro. things will happen. Okay, so let's talk about yesterday. Let's talk about yesterday's event and how magical it was. By the way, I've been to a lot of church revivals in my lifetime. I've been to many. And, Tom, how do you define a revival? They bring a lot of speakers, messages are being given, maybe you're recommitting, right? You're making new decisions.

What would you say revival is? A revival is where churches used to take a couple days out and say, hey we're gonna invite some other pastors here and we're also going to talk about things that really matter here in the community and specifically why your faith is so important. And it's not just the one-hour sermon with some praise. It's like an eight, ten hour deal, right? Yes, sometimes they're all day. Old-fashioned revivals used to be like all day on Saturday, and then baptizing people at the end of the day, and everything that goes with it.

But it was more conversion-focused.

So yesterday, this place, Rob, if you just show one of the clips of what the place looked like. This place was jam-packed. Please welcome to the stage, Frank Turing.

He crushed it, by the way.

It was great.

He crushed it, by the way. It was great. He crushed it. Oh, this guy was just...

I believe he was the gentleman that was standing behind Charlie Kirk when he got shot.

He was the guy.

He was the guy.

He was the guy. He was the front. So we're saying hi to a bunch of people Oh my god guys if you were there, it was so great seeing everybody. Okay, it was so great seeing everybody walking Emotions high Matt's Apollo puts the camera on my face. I'm not expecting to be recorded at that time I'm just soaking everything in and Rob. I don't know if you have this one or not. And he just asked me, what are you thinking about right now?

I haven't thought about an answer. He literally is to my right. I'm walking. I'm not trying to talk. I'm just trying to see what's going on. And then all of a sudden he says, Pat, what's on your mind?

I walk in, Rob, if you can share this clip here. I walk in, you're hearing the music, you're hearing everything. This is the greatest revival I've ever been to in my life and I've been to many. It is the greatest revival I've been to in my life. Watch this one here, Rob. Go ahead and play.

One kid wanted to unite America. Look what he did. One kid, 31 years old, had to take him away.

Millions of people will be inspired by this one guy named Charlie Cooper. We're going to talk about this. Let me tell you emotions emotions high we go we sit and then all of a sudden Mateo says hey, you know, we all had floor see we just showed up late because traffic was I bother we're going through security Secret Service Guy opens up the door. He says PPD. We're trying to get in. I said, where are you from? It says Toronto I said wait, you came in from Toronto. He was so we did him and his wife good-looking couple I said so what happened they send us out. I. What do you mean there is no room? There is no room in the stadium. How about the overflow room? The overflow room is back. What are you

talking about? He's saying can we get in with you? I said I can't get you right now. I'm right with Secret Service trying to get through. But it was such an not going to be there. His seats are available because we were going to be touring, and I wanted the boys to sit together. We go and we sit down. It's me, Vinny, Tico, and Dylan. And then literally five minutes later, they say, well, Elon is here.

He's right there. Yeah. So Elon walks up. Vinny gets up. Elon comes and sits right next to Tico. That's my seat. Okay. And you see the hand up? You see the left hand up? Someone's hand up?

That's Dilley.

That's Dylan's hand.

So you can't see Dilley. You can see Dylan's hand, but you can see Tico's profile. And it was just a great event. It was a great event.

But Vinny, for you, what was it like being in the room? put fluff or whatever people call it when you walked into that stadium you felt the presence of the Holy Spirit people were singing about it one of our guys was just 11 days ago assassinated in cold blood in front of the world and guess what this room was nobody was fighting nobody was writing nobody was burning down nobody was killing cut no everybody just came together and it was by the way, hugging, people were in tears, people were getting emotional, people that were like I've never, I haven't been to church but this sparked something and

somebody said something about they attempted to extinguish his light. Every time you try to extinguish somebody's light like this, like Charlie, it only makes the fire brighter, It makes it more. And I was, and again, Adam, thank you. Thank you for giving us this opportunity just to be, and see, because you would think people would be furious.

People would be angry and upset. It brought us together. And Eve, remember when you said in the green room at the vault, you go, and it was that moment where you're like, we're gonna win. There's no way. And this is it, man.

This was such a beautiful moment. And I asked that question to you about the other side, because if you had to compare anybody from the other side that was at Charlie, who on the other side? They don't have nobody. This is it.

This is it. Love. They don't have anybody at Charlie's level. Nobody. Let's go through a couple of the talks that was given. Okay, let's go through a couple of them. Rob, if you can pull up Don Jr.

Because Don Jr. broke the ice. And if you guys weren't there, Don gave a phenomenal speech. I texted him afterwards. Phenomenal speech. But Don was the guy that actually made the place a little bit. He brought the temperature down. He got people to laugh by impersonating his dad.

Here's Don Jr. impersonating his dad right after his dad is in the arena. He points at him and then he does this.

Go ahead.

Seeing me on social media knows I'm far more likely to crack a joke or get myself in trouble for posting some grossly inappropriate memes that I am to shed a tear. I know this because I've even gotten the call from that guy a couple times. You know Don, Don, you're getting a little aggressive on social media Don, relax. Relax. Clowning him in front of the world. He's like, hi everybody. Excuse me.

Dana Hoyt and Jarrod.

Can you actually picture that call happening? Can you actually picture that call happening? Meaning, his father called him saying, listen, tone down that Michelle Obama type of stuff. Yeah. Relax with that, right? Can you picture that happening? Yeah, and him going, listen, tone down that Michelle Obama type of stuff. Yeah.

Relax with that.

Right.

Can you picture that?

Yeah.

Him going, who are you to talk to me?

You're the main guy. It's you.

I learned it from you, guy.

Yeah.

But it was such a great moment when that happened, right? When Donson, what he said about it. And another one Rob if you can pull up, I actually really like Tucker's message. Tucker's message when he gave the message about, Rob which part, which story is this?

Is this the actual story? The opening? Is this the one?

No this is when the comment that Vinny had mentioned.

The martyr one, but I think the opening. This is the one where he says when he dies, he says, I have an idea, let's just kill him. Is this it? Oh, no, that's the beginning, Rob. That's the opening when he talked about Jesus. That's the one. That's the main one. It is unbelievable how this guy opened it up.

And he does the laugh. I think Tucker told, is this the one, Rob?

Yes, right here.

Watch this one, folks. Listen to this one.

Ultimately, he was a Christian evangelist. And it actually reminds me of my favorite story ever. So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up, and he starts talking about the people in power. And he starts doing the worst thing

that you can do, which is telling the truth about people, and they hate it. And they just go bonkers. They hate it. And they become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp-lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us we must make him stop talking and there's always one guy with the bright idea and I could just hear him say I've got an idea why don't we just

kill him that'll shut him up that'll fix the problem. It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. Everything is inverted.

Tom, what did you think about that message?

The message that Tucker gave immediately was getting heat as people were connecting dots and saying, oh, he's he's bringing up Israel. No, he wasn't. He's bringing up the historical fact that there were Jewish people at that time waiting for the Messiah, and are you the Messiah? Are you Him? And he was ministering people, healing people, but the leaders of the synagogue who were corrupt, they wanted to keep power. And so

that's exactly what happened, and we all know the Easter story and the Passover week and what they did, and trumped know the Easter story, and the Passover week, and what they did, and trumped up charges on him, and did it. And so Tucker's talking about that, and he was recounting that biblically very authentically, and then people were giving him heat for that. But his bigger point that he made really touched me, because I felt the Holy Spirit was front

and center, faith was foregrounded, but it wasn't like a political rally where you talk about faith, but you spin it, you're really careful how you say it, because you don't offend these people over here or over here. And there was no spin of it, and Tucker was just telling the historical story of, that's what happened to Christ, and that's how Christ became the Savior of the world. And I thought Tucker's recounting of that was fine. People were saying, oh you know he's...

What did you think about it? What did you think about his message?

I thought overall Tucker's message was well-crafted. It wasn't overlong. And I thought he was kind of on point to the moment. I kind of felt that way.

I thought so as well. I thought he crushed it. I thought he was phenomenal. The great thing about a panel of speakers is if everybody hits the different tone and not everybody hits the same. Sometimes everyone's like, you know when a ruler dies when a tyrant dies What I rule is over when a martyr dies his rule begins three people use the same Yeah, you're like not in the room to the first person that said it the reaction was massive. It was Benny Johnson Yeah, the place was lit up and then afterwards it was like well

Yeah, that's why you need to be there to hear what the audience is saying I'm not saying the same thing twice, But I thought Tucker's message was spot-on

Adam your thoughts. Well, let me just say Tucker then I'll give you my thoughts on the thing. I thought Tucker did a great job You know, I don't you're saying that people took his message the wrong way Tom people some people

Immediately are like, oh, he's look read the underlying thing. He's going after you know Israel did... Adam it appeared to be people online that didn't understand that he was properly recounting the the story of Christ and they were saying oh he was telling this tale trying to

insinuate you know Israel responsibility. I think that's a massive stretch I think he was talking about the elites and the establishment of the time, whether that was the Pharisees and maybe even the Romans.

And the Sadducees. Okay.

The Sanhedrin. So because he certainly wasn't talking about the Hebrews or the Israelites because those were literally his followers. Every single one of them was all Jewish. So anyone that's extrapolating and being like, he's anti-Israel, in this speech, no, he's talking about the elites and the establishment, because every single one of the apostles,

every single one of his followers were Jewish Hebrews at the time, pivoting. Erika Kirk crushed the event. I mean, absolutely incredible. Sometimes, you know, people are anointed, well, she's the wife, it's the natural.

She deserves every second of this. Her speech was incredible. The forgiveness, she forgives the killer 11 days after his assassination. I would be filled with rage. Way to calm the flames.

Way to calm, if she came up there and gave a message like, we need to attack them, what do you think would happening right now? Message of unity. Unbelievable. They say that it was a revival, not a memorial. So full disclosure, this is my first time ever at a revival like this. I've been to church. This wasn't church. This was a revival. This was unity. This was love.

This was respect. Because you don't have to be Christian to show respect. You know, at one point Trump got on stage, he's like, you know, Charlie Kirk's, his Lord and Savior. He didn't say our Lord and Savior. He said, Charlie's Lord and Savior. Did he not? Yeah. Okay. So I don't know if Trump is the most religious person. I'll let you guys speculate. He's not. But he has enough respect. Yep.

And we should all have enough respect to say, this is where we're at at this point. You don't have to be a follower of Jesus Christ to have respect. And certainly in America, don't be anti-God. Don't be anti-Christianity. Don't be anti-Jesus, Moses, Abraham. That's not gonna be a good look.

Yeah, so by the way, maybe go to that, Rob. Play the clip of Erica when she went. So imagine it's been 11 days. They have to put an event together. The event goes flawless. I'm sitting there, I'm looking at the name tags.

The name tags' quality wasn't paper. They had to flip it to create that. The name tag alone, that's going to take you a minute to get. In seven days, they nailed AV. In seven days, they nailed VIPs getting in secret service security. In seven days, they nailed overflow room.

In seven days, they put their speeches together. In seven days, they got everybody around the world that agreed to come. Who was the person that was there performing, Tom? The singers? The band?

Was it Blake?

Which was the one that you said? You said the one with the...

The one I was listening to on the way here?

They were wonderful.

They were wonderful.

Oh my gosh.

I can only imagine.

It says here, Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham, Cody Carnes, and Kerry Jobe Karnes. Brandon Lake is a phenomenal Christian singer.

And Lee Greenwood.

Lee Greenwood sang for the president for three minutes before Wally Stanton. So they did all this stuff. And Erica has to sit there to do makeup. And she has to make her makeup because she knows all the camera's going to be on her. And she has to get her speech. And she has to get in front of everybody with a big poster in the stadium, 65,000 people

of her husband right in front of her. She has to stare at while she's giving that speech. The emotion's high. And this is one of the moments of her message here.

Go ahead, Rob. That young man, on the cross our Savior said, Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That young man, that young man, I forgive him.

Everybody's crying. Everybody's crying.

That was the most powerful part of the entire day. Oh. Oh.

What a strong woman. What an incredible woman.

That's so not easy to do. And didn't ruin her makeup.

Looked great. You know how our debt is to do? The man that kills your husband, you forgive him 11 days later after it happens. Can you go to power versus force which is something we keep talking about. But it's so relevant it's so relevant in these situations right every day I'm going when I wake up where am I at. Yeah watch this. Where is her love? Where is absolute love? Go level 500. I would go there. It is so hard to get there. You forgive him publicly, that's love.

That's reverence. That's very hard to be there. Very hard. It's above reason. Because a person could say, listen, let me reason with you. I understand why you're upset.

You just lost your husband in front of everybody. No. It's faith. It's love. And I respect it. It's not easy. The average person cannot do it because even the other day when what's-his-name was here,

Eric was here, he says, I'm angry, I'm angry, I'm angry, right? I'm angry. I totally get it. The person that was hit by this more than anybody else is given the example of love. What do you think the rest of the world should be doing. I thought it was a great moment of what she did in the entire event and I thought that was her way of almost letting everybody you know say hey if I'm coming from this place guys you know let's let's not increase the temperature more than what it is

right now. I was very impressed by it. Even in Charlie's death, we're seeing the legacy of his decision making. What kind of decision making do you think it took for him to say, that's my wife? If I'm gone, she could carry the torch. We're just starting to learn about Erica Kirk, the new CEO of Turning Point. But for what we're seeing about her in the last 11 days, wow, what a great decision Charlie made. A lot of people are acting in anger or desire at this point for her to show

this outpouring of love for the person that just killed her husband is setting the tone for the rest of the country.

God bless.

You know why Pat like on the, on the up, not the opposite side, but Steven Miller, who has been on a, just a mission when he said those trying to ferment hatred against us what do you have you have nothing you are nothing you are wickedness he's calling out he's calling out evil he's like you are jealousy you are envy you are hatred you are nothing you can build nothing you can produce nothing you cannot defeat us you cannot slow us down you cannot stop

us you cannot deter we will carry Charlie and Eric on our hearts every single day and fight that much harder He goes you have no idea how determined we will be to save the civilization outside of Erica Who was your favorite speaker outside of Erica? Yeah, Erica was number one Miller I think I think Tucker Tucker cuz he opened with Christ and he ended with Christ. And I do love, I would put Stephen Miller, Pat, because at the end of the day, he's not saying kill, and he was talking to evil, and evil's facing going, if you think, by the way, if you think we're going to stop, you're crazy.

And I love that he called out back, because think about the other side. They were still on TV, they were still out there. Again, I have a bunch of clips, all of them saying, Hitler, fascists, hate, Jasmine Crockett, all these people, Steve Bunnell. It's like, you're not going to stop. We're not going to stop.

Tom, who was your favorite speaker?

I had to be Erica. And there were some people on social media that didn't understand what she meant by forgiveness. She's not giving him a pardon. She's saying, in my heart, I have to forgive so I'm not the one that's eternally bitter. But the Bible will tell you that in your forgiveness, you know, there are earthly consequences, there are consequences, and the consequences is this young man is gonna stand trial. And whatever happens there is gonna happen there. And so Erica was my number one.

Number two was Tarek. The security and the associate of Charlie who was in the SUV with him when they put him in there. And he talked about how Charlie's eyes were still open and he says he was looking at me but he wasn't because he was gone. They're trying to administer, you know, now we know, they're trying to administer first

aid and there was no hope. Getting to the hospital. Third was Tucker and then was Suzy Wells. Those are mine

Erica Turek Tucker, I thought I thought Frank Turk was incredible. I shook his hand afterwards You're asking who you thought the best speaker was after Erica resonated the most I think we're all in agreement that Erica Kirk crushed it. Yeah For me, it was number one and number two after Erica was Don jr and Trump himself, uh, because of two reasons, Trump shut down the show. I think humbly, mr. President Erica should have gone last my opinion, but what Don jr

did was a message of, I know I'm usually angry. I know I'm usually sarcastic But let me actually lighten the mood for a second Let me give a little brevity to this and I thought he did with this impression He also also and this is the biggest message here showed a little bit a little bit of being a synergist We know Trump is not a synergist. He literally said I hate my enemies, you did it. Charlie loved his perceived enemies. Don jr.

At one point I was talking with Matt Cipolla. He showed a little bit signs of being a synergist. I don't know if we're there. Steven Miller, not a synergist. So I think we need a lot more unity in this country. What I was most upset about, you tell me guys, I could be wrong.

I didn't see one Democrat politician there. Not one, not one. You're telling me as a brand, as an establishment, you're half the country. You see the other half of the country, distraught, angry, sad, just filled with rage, love affection. None of you show up, bro. Not one? Imagine the power if AOC shows up. Imagine. But we're at such a place in our country where you can't even show up.

That to me is what we're lacking. Adam, these are the same people that couldn't stand up during Trump's State of the Union when a black kid that has cancer that wants to be a secret, they couldn't stand up and applaud him. You think they're gonna fly to Arizona on faith and just walk around and hope?

No.

I think they kind of stood up during the week and made their opinions known and not all of those were good. But there is one...

Go ahead.

Van Jones.

There is one Van Jones.

I'm gonna come to Van Jones.

But he's not a politician.

So, can you do me a favor? Play the clip of what Adam said about Trump, you know, where he says, you guys like it. I don't like that's not me. That's not me. You just had it up, Rob.

I think that's the one.

Go ahead. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry. I am sorry Erica But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right

But I can't stand my opponent. I like that comment. I'll talk maybe she can I'm willing to

He wasn't interested in demonizing

Yeah, I mean it's it's I'll take a couple things for me on what I liked Okay, I took notes when they were talking and here's what I got. I like what Frank Turk said He said make heaven crowded. Okay, make our job is to make heaven crowded great message and I talked to him afterwards He said it was great seeing your sons here. I said, I appreciate it, but it was him giving that message. The Sergio Gore, I don't know who he is. Who is Sergio Gore? I wanna give him credit because-

He's very much into the Trump orbit.

You can find his exact title.

What does he do?

He says something- He's an ambassador.

Director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office.

So he's somebody. And by the way, it doesn't mean anything. I don't know who he is. I don't want to I don't want this thing Okay, fantastic. You know what? He said which was very interesting because I think that that applies to every business But specifically he said he said the world of politics is filled with transactional people And he was making a point that Charlie wasn't a transactional person Which means they come in they get what they want next they come and they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next. They come in, they get what they want next.

You ever seen the movie Vice, where there is a scene where Carol, what is it, Steve Carell, whatever.

Steve Carell, yeah, Steve Carell, yeah, of course.

He's the one where he says to Christian Bale, who's playing Dick Cheney, I believe. Dick Cheney. And he says, man, is it possible that you're even more evil than you were when I first met you? This is when Dick Cheney is firing Kim. Can it even be possible? This scene, I don't know if you know this scene.

Have you seen this movie? I have to watch this with you. There's a scene, do you know what scene I'm talking about? It's kind of an accurate movie, but I know the scene. Yeah, he says, can you get any more evil than you used to be? I cannot believe that. So in politics, transactional, I got what I wanted from you, boom, next.

I got what I wanted from you, next. So I like that point being made, the fact that Charlie wasn't. He was a guy that was a builder. Okay, master builder Tucker's message was on fire Hexet said Charlie had big plans But God had even bigger plans. I actually like Hexet's message. He came and he delivered He left gave a salute at the end. He is Then Hexet told a story about what his pastor told him he said the devil

Overplayed his hand he started started, he said, Charlie started Turning Point USA, but he said this event will end up becoming the Turning Point of USA. Wow. Did you understand that messaging? Like pastor's telling him that and Hex had sharing that with the audience. I texted Bobby and I said to Bobby, I said, listen, that one message, it was, you could tell Bobby was having a hard time. Some was going on with Bobby.

I think this could have been an emotional moment for him, probably more than anybody else. Because there's only one person in that room that has the experience of your relatives being a Sansa.

That's him.

Yeah. It's him. So that's why I told him, I said, listen, man, I mean, this has gotta be, and

he sends me. He says, one day I go to my mom and I asked, do you have this, Rob? He says, one day I go to my mom. Is this it?

The longer version's right here.

It is so amazing when he says, I go to my mom and I ask her about, mom, what do you do with the hole? The pain of losing someone? What do you do with that? After his brother David, another son of.

What do you do with that? What do you do when you have that hole? How do you deal with it? And this is what he was told. Go ahead, Rob.

When my brother David died, I had a conversation with my mother, who had been through more than her share of loss and tragedy. And I asked her, I said, does the hole they leave in you when they die, does it ever get any smaller? And she said, no, it never gets any smaller. But our job is to build ourselves bigger around the hole.

We do that by taking the best virtues and character traits of the person that we lost and using discipline and restraint and practice, integrating those character traits into our own character. And in doing that, we make ourselves larger and the whole gets proportionally smaller. And we also give that person a kind of immortality

because they are now living on, the best parts of them are now living on in us.

Holy moly, can you imagine how powerful that is, what he's talking about? But before we go to the other side, what the other side was saying about this. I While we're sitting there yesterday, I remember I interviewed Charlie in 2017 Eight years ago when he was cuz at Matt's Apollo's in the car

He's like I remember you used to always talk about Charlie Kirk pay attention to this guy's gonna be a president So you were saying that seven eight years ago. I'm like, who is this Charlie Kirk guy? I don't know who this Charlie Kirk guys He says and then I finally the more and more and more I followed I realized how big he was How big of a deal he was becoming and then obviously at this point Charlie being where he's at Oh, right there. When is the interview, Rob? June 21st of 2017. That's when I uploaded it. Can you pull up so... Pull up...

That's six months after Trump took office.

Do you have the one which is the whole interview? Which channel are you on?

VT Main.

Yeah, I mean, that's the interview. I found it somewhere. Apparently, you don't have it there. I think I found it somewhere, apparently you don't have it there, I think I found it somewhere here Rob. Look at how young he is, can we see how young he is? That conversation was, but I want you to see the opening, and I don't think that's the opening.

No it's not.

Can we just see what he looks like? Look how young.

Yeah, that's the first time Charlie and I spoke, and I, you know, in my business, the business I'm in, my job is to identify who's going to be a player in 3, 5, 10 years. That's the business I'm in. And that's what I've done the last however many years. So I just look at someone, I say there's something very different and unique about this guy. I just found it. I just want to send you the intro to this, the first time that he and I spoke, Rob.

He had a thousand people at this event. We're in Dallas, okay? Rob, I just sent you the link. If you can just put the intro. We're in Dallas and I see this guy. And I said, this guy, this guy's different. There's something very special about this guy. You know you you felt the energy

You you felt the fact that he was not just talking just to talk he was really selling a Vision into something he believed in can you can you open it up Rob audio? Yes, then go ahead So one of the things I love doing is I love meeting young cats who love capitalism and Today we're gonna meet Charlie Kirk who I think was a capitalist from the day He was born and he's been on politics from the day probably he was born

So I'm really curious to hear your story, how you went from... Sure, I can pause it right there. Wow. Yeah, and I leave, I said, this guy's going to be president one day. Okay. So here's the point. I wrote one thing from my whole thing of Charlie Kirk.

This is the part. In life, every once in a while, you will meet somebody that is much younger than you,

but you'll know immediately this person calibrates at a much more mature level than you. This is what you, when you say age doesn't matter, you feel maturity, you feel wisdom, you you feel leadership you feel a

certain level of determination and seriousness that Gets you to look past the person being 23 And it's I don't really care about the age the way the way the guy carries himself. It's unbelievable How many people one of the pastors gets up on stage and he says? One day Charlie Kirk calls me and he says, I want you to mentor me and I want you to teach me everything you know about the Bible.

And he says, I said, how is that even possible? The smartest guy I know is telling me that I'm going to teach you. What am I going to be able to teach you? I don't know whatever the... I think it was Frank. I think it was Frank. Yeah, we said that, right? And then JD Vance, the vice president, which by the way, for a split second, he held it. He paused for five seconds. He was about to break down.

And he says, you know, Charlie last week calls me and he's coming back from Korea. And he says, there's some things I want to talk to you about that we have to improve with our relationship in Korea. And he says, the one phone call of a guy I would call to ask him for advice, I can no longer make that phone call. And that's Charlie Kirk. This is the vice president talking about calling a 31-year-old to get his advice.

Charlie was that guy. Charlie was not 31 years old physically. He may have been 31 years old but the way he knew history the way where his heart was his faith was the guy was a real-life philosopher pastor all Combined in one person that we got a chance to witness and by the way while this is going on Van Jones

okay, who many would look at Van Jones and say Van Jones as a Obama guy

Van Jones at one point was tied to politically to some people said some communism, you know, maybe he said himself

Yeah, he said I'm a communist and he said I've rolled off that. That's right.

And then he all of a sudden tells a story here about Charlie Kirk and you can tell how sincere he's being. Go ahead Rob.

Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact, the last week of his life we were beefing hard. Beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died, he did something that shocked me. He sent me a personal message, calling for personal dialogue, wanting me to come on his show. He said, we can be gentlemen together.

He said, we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And in the past week and a half, just watching people talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff coming out of his death, I just thought it was important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk because the last day of his life, he was reaching out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries, me. And I just want to share that with the world. And I hope that maybe it might help somebody

on both sides deal with issues more like he did.

Well, I think Van Jones there, first of all, Van, you watch us, I know you're watching. Thank you for being honest and thank you for positioning your response like that. That was a stand-up thing you did after you received a stand-up message. And I think he's right. You know, when I read this past week that Charlie said to somebody, he said, we have to be careful. When the conversation stops, that's when the violence starts.

And he's talking about civil disobedience and rioting and things when that conversation stops. And so Van's bringing that up. And I think this is exactly why you have to have the conversations. Because what is conversation? Conversation isn't for two people to come to the table, have a coffee, and then not move an inch. A conversation is so there can be some understanding,

and there can be some new understanding and learning. And together, saying, I didn't know this, I didn't know that. And this is where I think some of the, like the vitriol that I catch and people on this podcast and elsewhere catch

from the hard left, they seem to think I'm evil. I just think that they're not correct and we need to talk about it. And that's the difference I see. And I love the fact that Van went out and showed people this and said the words,

don't put that on Charlie Kirk, which I thought was a way to lower the temperature at a time where we need it lowered, Pat.

Yeah, I thought so as well. Adam, your thoughts?

Well, respect to Van Jones for being honest, because you know there's this whole concept out there we're gonna own the libs bro we're gonna dunk on these guys we're gonna show them what's going on or on the other side it's like he's evil he's Hitler let's all just agree on the basic foundation of who we are as Americans as humans we all want the same thing we all want the best for our family we all the best for ourselves we all want to do good things in this world.

And then you can take exceptions to this rule. This person's a horrible person. This person's a horrible person. Erica Kirk, in a moment that galvanized, I believe, the country, I would hope, forgave the person that murdered her husband. That's something that I will go to the well in time and time again. At a time where it's so easy to be angry,

or what's the next word, desire. I'm gonna show you what's going on. To give grace and empathy and compassion and kindness and respect. You think that just came, that lived in a vacuum? Or did she get that from Charlie?

And did Charlie see himself beefing with Van Jones and say, you know what, man, let's just talk about this a little bit. This concept of grace and being able to disagree without being disagreeable is such an important concept. Last point that I just want to bring up, you talked about President Trump, and he said that Charlie was a master builder, right? So in my opinion, Charlie Kirk would have been the next president

and he would have been a better president than Donald Trump, why? Trump said the following, he goes, Charlie wasn't concerned with money. He said he was more about meaning than money. He said he was more about his mission than money.

You talked about how, I think it was Sergio Gore who was in the Trump inner circle. He said that Trump is transactional. And the quote, the quote you said about Dick Cheney, Trump wrote the book, the art of the deal.

No, no, no, no. You said Trump is transactional.

I think Trump is transactional.

You're saying I'm saying that Sergio Gores okay I'm saying right I got your transaction okay your opinion is Trump is transaction yes okay I he

wrote the book the art of the deal everything's a deal everything's a deal if you say nice things about me or my friend if you say mean things about me we're enemies he said I hate my enemies these are Trump's quotes Charlie didn't care about money he cared about his mission. I don't think Charlie was transactional, is that what he said? Charlie was not a trainer about money.

Yeah, he's saying that Charlie's not transactional.

Correct, that's what I'm saying. I think Charlie would have been Trump, but better, with sympathy and with principles, and without, dare I say it, corruption.

But, okay, sorry.

Go ahead, Vinny.

Yeah, because I was going to say... Are you going to respond to what he just said? Yeah, yeah, Sam. Go ahead. Well, first, when you said, Adam, because I have to disagree, when you said, we all want what's good for our families and we all want what's good for the country, I think that's far from the truth. Because the other side, I hate having they've showed us to this point Adam from

Open opening the borders to all the children getting abused to pro abortion to pro violence to Celebrating murder. I don't see it. I do respect what Vans Joan did But what is he going to do with it? Because it always seems like these these people go and they have this moment of light They see the light and then they jump right back. Because he's supposed to take that.

I'm happy he's saying it. But what are you going to do with it? Are you going to try to convince your side that the other side isn't evil? We're not Nazis. We're not crazy. It's just take it and what are you going to do with it because what I'm seeing and Adam saying that Charlie would have been I mean it's your opinion better than Trump nobody nobody I don't

think ever is going to go through what Trump with meaning before he even got in the spying Obama Brennan deep state everything collusion Trump had to go through hell and back to get to this point where I could see where he's on stage going I'm not agreeing with it but he knows the left was watching him. He knows that's why he's like, I hate my enemies. I'm not going to forgive my enemies.

So my point is being Adam, the other side has to understand they have to have a moment. Something has to happen with the left. Besides realizing you guys are losing something spiritually, Adam has to connect with these people because they're not jumping off the train. They're staying on the same rhetoric that's negativity and it's anti-America and it's anti-us.

So I have one question for you. What do you mean by the other side? The other side meaning the left.

Let's do this, let's do this. Let me respond to the Charlie thing and let's go to the other side, because we've got a bunch of clips to go through. The comment you made, I think it's a little bit of an unfair comment, but let me give my thoughts on why I think that is. And then I actually like that you said that, because it's a good conversation to have.

To me, I think Lincoln was the right guy for that time. I think Reagan was the right guy for that time. Okay? I think Reagan was a right guy for that time. Okay. I think John F. Kennedy was a right guy for that time. I Don't think anybody Could have done

what Trump did To face the criticism and had the authority and the swagger to pull up and get there. You got to realize Yes, we're giving a lot of love to Charlie. And he deserves every ounce of it. Yes, we're giving a lot of love to all the people that spoke there. But one guy put him up there, and that was Trump.

Without Trump, we don't know Charlie It's not not the other way around First comes the Prophet the guy that was willing to go to war and had the audacity and fearlessness Who inspired Charlie's to get behind him? You know, what did they say the chicken? What is the? Their first came Trump

Okay, that that is a historical figure that came and then came I'm gonna go fight for him and I'm gonna go get all these states and Places for him when he says Charlie would call me sometimes and he would say mr. President. Can you be in Arizona tomorrow? What what are you talking Arizona tomorrow? What? What are you talking about tomorrow?

You're giving me one day. These people need to hear from you. And sometimes I'm like, this guy is crazy. But I would have to go for it. Why? Because he did so much for us, right?

He did so much for us. There's a part of me, I got a phone call from someone that said, Pat, I wonder if it's all business with you, right? Is it all business with you? It's a fair question to ask. It's not a, I don't take it as an insult. I take it as, yeah, I can see how that's what it could look like.

If it was only transactional, why is Dana White still in his life 20 something years later? How much money has he made off of Dana White? Why are so many of these guys still doing what they're doing? Was there an element of transactional? Sure.

Was there an element of that that happens in business?

Yes.

Are some of those people you don't want to be in business with again? Yes. But I think Trump is a once in a lifetime type of guy who built master builders. There are master builders. Then there's the guy that built master builders. Trump is the guy that built a ton of master builders. Trump created careers for people.

Trump put people on the limelight with podcasts, with shows, with writing, with politics. Trump gave camera and eyeballs to people who have never gotten it before. That's the difference. But if you're going back to saying, you know, when the one part of the event which was like such a boom, it just hits you, is the comment JD Vance made when he says, I have not talked about Jesus more in my lifetime than I have

in the last two weeks, and that's because of Charlie. Charlie brought God back into the center stage. Charlie's bringing that back. That's going to be Charlie's movement, which I don't think we got with the President, which I don't think we got. But I don't think that's him.

I don't think he needs to be that guy. I do think we're going to get to a point that somebody in the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years, a President's going to come, that they're going to open things up with a prayer. Hey, before we do this, can I pray for everybody. Yeah. Heavenly Father, you know, I pray for you. I see that's coming up. And I do think that's going to be inspired by by by Charlie. And by the way, as crazy as it sounds, I think Charlie is going to increase the calibration

and the level of consciousness of America higher to love. Yeah. But in that moment of what Trump has done the last eight years. No, the guy is the guy is a very, very unique guy. Now having said that, if you do want a rebuttal, before I go into some of these things.

Look, it doesn't benefit me to disagree with Pat publicly, but sometimes I do. Here's where I'm gonna disagree with you, sir. Trump's 80 years old almost. Charlie is 31 at his death. You talk about apples to apples. One of the things I love about Pat, he goes, let's go there. Imagine Charlie 40 years from now. What kind of,

what kind of momentum he would have? What kind of, what kind of things he would have done with his life? When Charlie started turning point, it was in 2012. Well, four years before Trump even thought about running for president. And he started this with, with, with, with purpose, with a meaning, with a mission, and look what he accomplished at 31. At 31, respectfully, Trump was building buildings.

Charlie built a movement. So, in my opinion, in 40 years from now, at the rate Charlie was going, he would have been bigger, better, and more wonderful than Trump.

Oh, 40 years.

I'm just saying, in general.

In 40 years.

Yeah, we can't compare Charlie at 31 to Trump at 80. I'm saying the trajectory he was on.

Adam. He would have been there. Adam, so let me tell you how this works. Sometimes a person thinks they're famous. Like, for example, sometimes there are people that hang with a guy like Trump, let's just say.

And everywhere Trump goes, there's cameras. And Trump's got four or five people around the circle who have never had this many eyeballs. This isn't just Trump. This can be said about many different people, right? But in this context, I'm just using Trump. Out of these five guys that are around Trump that are getting more eyeballs than ever in

their lives, how many of them are grateful for it, knowing they're getting it because of Trump? How many of them are thinking, no, it's not because of Trump. It's because of me.

How many?

Uh, I would, out of the five. Out of the five.

I would say four out of the five think that and they'd be wrong.

Four out of the five think that, it's them, it's not Trump.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm with you.

Yeah.

So here's where I'm going with you. I think Charlie's the one guy that says, I owe my credit to Trump. did for 70 years is what prepared for the Republican Party to get the eyeballs that it's getting because ever since Trump was a kid, no matter where he went, cameras followed him.

They wanted to know.

I agree with what I'm saying to you is he brought this. He made a lot of the conservative players celebrities.

Yeah.

Purely by association, not the other way around. I agree. But you're right. And I do think, and my part with this is, I feel like I wanted to see the finished product with Charlie. That's the part that maybe I don't, maybe I speak on behalf of some people, maybe I

speak, I'm just speaking for myself, but if you relate, you relate. I really wanted to see what this guy was gonna do. But God's got bigger plans, and I trust him more than I trust anybody else, and we're gonna see what's gonna be happening with it. But I understand the argument you're making, for sure.

He would have been a once in a lifetime type of talent,

but Trump was the reason why a lot of this eyeballs came. I'm giving Trump infinite respect. I'm simply saying apples to apples. If Charlie kept the trajectory he was on, he would have been bigger. Who else on that stage? Name one other person.

We talked about it yesterday. I mean, I wrote about it.

We were talking about it on the flight back.

Can I address something that Vinny talked about? People on the other side, the other side.

Can we play these yeah okay so Rob you got quite a few clips here of what people are saying you can start off with Ilhan Omar because Ilhan Omar folks the moment you watch this you're gonna need a blood pressure pill you may need a Tylenol but don't take it if you're pregnant because you know they're making some announcements President Trump and Maha is gonna make some announcements so before you take Tylenol, please watch the announcement that they're making today

Tylenol just took a massive hit but just woo-sa for a second while you hear this motivational speaker from the left

Go ahead Where it called him dr. Frankenstein and said his monster shot him through the neck I mean, obviously this is a person and looking at this, this is someone who was a husband and a father and in the days after his shocking death that happened as a result of his views or happened as a result as he was sharing his views publicly with people, that people

found it jarring to hear such criticism of that in the immediate aftermath of

What I what I find jarring is that there are so many people willing to excuse the most Reprehensible things that he said that they agree with that that they're willing to have Monuments for him that they want to create a day to honor him and that they want to produce resolutions in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy. It is one thing to care about his life because obviously so many people loved him, including

his children and wife. But I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind. That should be in the dustbin of history and we should hopefully move on and forget the hate that he spewed every single day.

Unbelievable. Is it unbelievable?

So that's one.

Yeah.

Okay, Rob. Crockett, who is possibly a candidate for 2028. I know people joke about it. Hopefully she is. But I'm telling you she's a candidate for 2028. Please. Rob, is this the clip with her with Dana Bash?

This is where they talk about the resolution to honor Charlie Kirk and her response why she was upset by it.

Go for it.

They came before the House this past week honoring Charlie Kirk. And there were 58 Democrats who voted against it. You were one.

Yeah, absolutely. You know what, one of the things I do wanna point out that's not been laid out that honestly hurts my heart is when I saw the no votes, there were only two Caucasians. For the most part, the only people that voted no were people of color,

because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there only people that voted no were people of color because the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk continuously put out there was rhetoric that specifically targeted people of color. And so it is unfortunate that even our colleagues could not see how harmful his rhetoric was specifically to us. And I can tell you that a month prior to him passing away, he had actually gotten out on

his podcast. I wasn't aware of this at the time, but he got out there and he was talking negatively about me directly. So if there was any way that I was gonna honor somebody who decided that they were just gonna negatively talk about me and proclaim that I was somehow involved

in the great white replacement, yeah, I'm not honoring that kind of stuff, especially as a civil rights attorney and understanding how I got to Congress knowing that there were people that died, people that were willing to die, that worked to make sure that voices like mine could exist in this place. So to me, just like we wanted to make sure. Vinny, thoughts? Well, first of all,

she has multiple personality syndrome because you could like that's not how she speaks when she's in front of a different crowd. So yeah, child. She turns it lets her get a little completely different person. Rob, I sent you another clip. Look at this. This is just a quick montage of this interview.

Want to play a couple of statements that you made earlier this year. OK. OK. Unfortunately, we have someone that is occupying the White House. And as far as I'm concerned, he is an enemy to the United States. They want to show that they are loyal to this. You know, I don't even know what to call him. I've called him so many things. But this wannabe Hitler for sure.

Hitler enemy.

To be clear, the president has attacked, other people have attacked you.

She has to piggyback off of it.

Maybe not him personally. But do you have a responsibility as an elected official not to raise the temperature, but rather lower the temperature, particularly when there are people out there who listen to elected officials all over the place

who are not well, who use that as a

way to instigate the political violence that you are calling out. I think that my responsibility is to be transparent and to be honest. And the reality is that we are living in a time in which this administration and this regime is not interested in making sure that people understand history. We need to understand why they are so problematic and so I am using that language because it is accurate language when we see

the consolidation of power. Rob you can stop it. You hear the words, you hear the three, regime, Hitler, all those type of rhetoric. So Adam, when you're asking to go back which side, this is the side. This is the, and I was, I remember yesterday when I're asking to go back which side this is the side this is the and I and I was sure I remember yesterday when I was asking like how many what's the percentage of Democrats that are openly professing their faith that love God that say that they're Christians I'm just I'm very curious because I don't

hear it at all zero from the Obamas to the Hillary's to Jasmine Crockett's to all these people. So Adam, when you ask what side? The Obama, Hillary, Crockett, the podcasters, the streamers, the left wing media, James Comey, Pritzker, Newsom. I don't feel personally that this side has any compassion. They don't have any love, they are godless, they've taken out God completely. I've yet to hear one of them say thank God or pray for Charlie or pray for his wife and it is that side. And my job, Adam, I can't even

get mad. I truly, and Eric is a great example, I have to pray. That's the hardest thing. I told Pat last night while we were on the plane, I get a message from a guy named Todd. Not gonna say his last name. The message was like this. Hey, don't know if this is still your number, and I'm gonna take out all the cuss words, but you know what? F you, you so- What you were in California with, you drug,

you women womanizer, F you and Charlie and hey, you're orange, blah blah blah. Adam, you know what old Vinny would have done? Voice message, FaceTime would have gone in. I block, I deleted, I felt my blood pressure going up, but that's what the other side wants and I don't see the love, Adam. I don't see the compassion. So when I say the other sides,

as much as Tommy, we have to pray for them, Pat, it's not getting through their head. So when there is a clear divide. It's like we can keep preaching, we can keep hoping. Like a Van Jones, that's what Charlie did, is reached out and it hit Van Jones and he got to see it and his team actually let him know. Van didn't see it Pat. His team goes, hey, just FYI, this is what happened because they're not open.

They're not looking for it. So what do you do Adam and you have to call it out So I have to by the way a clip to show Adam and come to you. This is this is a clip Rob I sent you the depicting on

How one side responds when there's a loss or an assassination attempt versus the other side go ahead Rob

Wow praise you Wow

why is that why is that why are you at that. Shit. And look at the top. Celebrating the life, no burning flags.

Stealing, looting.

Loving America. Yeah, look at that. Everybody was peaceful. Sing it again. One more time. I can listen to this guy sing all day.

I can.

I'll pause it right there. Go ahead, Adam. So, you're a musician.

You're a caveat. Everything you said about the politicians, the podcasters, the media, you're right. They're driving the divide in America, but I don't have the luxury of labeling quote-unquote a hundred million people in America the other side as evil. I don't tell you why. I didn't say all of them are evil. I know I'm just saying this is me.

No I think all my friends... I think you need the premise to kind of toss back at Vinny there but make your point. Excuse me? I think you made the premise to toss back at Vinny, but go ahead and make your point

Are you hosting the show right now?

What are you doing right now? You don't like that you don't like the statement Toss back what Tom what did he toss back said? he was

Saying he opened it up, which I think was drawing a line on Vinny's point. And I'm saying, make your point. You said, that's not what I was doing. I don't have the luxury of taking a hundred million people and calling him the other side. And you were, I think, throwing that at Vinny. I don't think that was Vinny was doing.

I'm just saying, I don't think that's what he was doing, but make your point.

It's happening right now. Okay. It's happening right now. Tom, respectfully, let me address Vinny.

Thank you.

You're calling...

This is so funny.

Go ahead. Tom, you good?

I'm very good.

Are you though?

Yes.

Adam, go ahead. I thought I was talking to Vinny, but I don't know what happened here. But love you, Tom. Let me address Vinny. I agree with you, everything you're saying on the Democratic side of things, the politicians, the podcasters, these people are what I would call representatives.

They are not here to be synergists. And it's equal on both sides, whether it's AOC, whether it's Jasmine Crockett, whether it's Rashida Tlaib, whether it's Ilhan Omar, who I think is discussed. You could say the same for the Marjorie Taylor Greene's. You could say for the Lauren Boebert's. You could say for the same for the Ana Paulina Luna, who I actually think is awesome. These are representatives. They represent a very small district. And the way that they get eyeballs is to inflame people. What they say is, you know, senators, Senate is the cooling sauce

for America. You don't see senators as much as representatives doing this because they have a bigger constituency. You don't see governors doing this. At times you tend to see presidents sometimes like Trump but they need to calm the flames right here. I'm with you that there's a large contingency on the left and right that stokes the flames and gets eyeballs because their constituency is this big, right?

and it's disgusting. And we can address that. That's a, that's a big thing in this country. What I was talking about not having the luxury of being like, and I'm not saying you're saying this, I think you were talking about the politicians or the podcasters, but the luxury of this, my mom's a Democrat. My friends are Democrats. Like people in my circle are Democrats.

I have a lot of Republican friends. I've had a Democrat friends. What I'm trying to do is saying, when we say the other side, let's be specific to talk about what we mean. And I think that's what you meant. Cause there's people in my life who go be like, dude, I like your show, but do you hate me? Because I'm a Democrat. I'm like, no, not, but you keep saying that I'm the devil and I'm evil.

Like, no, bro. Like we're talking about this. So what I'm saying is let's not conflate Democrats or liberals to the far left woke mob and the politicians that represent them, but, but, but from what been seeing it's not just the far Adam I'm seeing family members I'm seeing people where the veil has come completely off and it's not just a small little fringe of the far left Adam a lot I'm talking about a lot of these people

are showing their true colors and at the end of the day and I've said this on other shows what are they standing on when you say the Democratic Party what are their principles what are their principles? What are their morals? What do they care about? Because if I'm just an outsider looking in, they're not, Adam, I'm not talking about like your mom Democrats that are nice and they're sweet and they're like, I don't like

what's happening. I'm talking about the majority of them, if God forbid something happens to Trump, they're going to cheer in the streets. They're cheering right now for Charlie. They're mad that the border is closed. Adam, when we're trying, when Trump or whoever's trying to save like unborn children, they're like, how dare you? It's my body, my choice,

but when it comes to the vaccine, they're like, shut up, your body, it's our choice. The government's choice. We get to put in you whatever we want. So I understand, I'm not lumping them all together, but just a vibe, I want a vibe check of the other, what are they doing to calm Adam? Because the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, the Donald Trump's,

they didn't ask for this smoke. The moment this guy came in, it was, you, destroy him. They got to fight for... Trump is who they vilified. They didn't go after Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah but Marjorie Taylor Greene is a soldier in the fight for Adam. Because at the end of the day, yes she's angry. They all have different walks of their life, of their faith, whatever. But Adam, how many times can our side get

pushed and labeled and guess what? We have the Stephen Millers and we have the people that are like, hey, enough is enough. And they're fighting with their voices at them. They're not sniping people. They're not burning down churches. They're not killing each other. They're not beating up and

killing cops. There's a whole difference. I know exactly. Exactly right. I want to have Tom. Go ahead, Tom. You're exactly right. And you this started for you brought up, you said, where was a Democrat or someone on the left that was willing to be there even in the audience or speaking, right? Because Charlie was reaching across the aisle. You see what the note he sent to Van Jones was not unique.

He reached out to many people like this. And so where were they? And you know what, what I marvel at, it's not Martin Luther King. It's the Reverend Martin Luther King. And he started and he was giving speeches in churches. And these sweet African-American people that were hoping that civil rights would bring things

forward and improve things for them were in churches in their Sunday best. And then they walked down streets and they were hit with water cannon, and things like this. It started in churches, and it started with faith, and it started with peace, and when he said, I have a dream, what was the dream about? About little boys and little girls coming to the same place and coming to a point of understanding. Well guess what? In 2006, Ann Coulter, who I'm not comparing to Martin Luther King, she's one of many commentators,

but she wrote a book that captured it in 2006 called Godless, The Church of Liberalism. And it was so correct. That book is now 20 years old, but it is exactly on point with what's happened here. And you know what? You know what she needs? You know what Jasmine Crockett needs?

She needs that there's no progress with civil rights because that is, I keep saying it, that's her blankie. She needs that. She needs to be angry about that because they need to be victims and victims need to take to the streets against your oppressors and that's the reaction that they push for. And so we counter with love and when I say the we, I'm saying the collective We the people that want to put faith as our foundation

Reasonableness dialogue is our foundation and come out and say let's have a conversation about this They need civil rights to be oh, it's going in reverse. It's danger They have to have danger danger bad person bad person, bad person, you know, go to the streets, overthrow, because liberalism is a victim-based, feeling-driven religion unto itself. And that's where it is. And so Stephen Miller is right.

We've had enough of this. We can't have the victimness. We have to be we the people, out for all people reaching across aisles. But Jasmine Crockett wants none of that. She wants the anger to continue. She needs the anger to continue, unfortunately.

And I'm not commentating. This is by her own lips. This is by her own lips. And so Dana Bash, who's been hit, boy, Dana Bash, if you're on a highlight reel for the last year, she's had some interviews where have gone really kind of weird. I'm not picking on her, but in this one, she kind of sat up and said, don't you feel that

you have something here? And was trying to do it. But guess what? There was no, well, look, I think there's some balance.

There is none of that. So then I got a follow-up question for you so George Soros story comes out with political Gave 10 million out or check for California for redistricting redistricting campaign. That's totally fine You want to give money for that totally get it keep the state 48 to 4 when he comes on to Congress Representatives fine however the Daily Caller does a story saying explosive report alleges George Soros doled Doled out 80 million dollars to leftist group glorifying terrorism and violence.

Okay, Rob, if you want to go to the story, I don't think you have a video on this. I'll just read the story and then I'll come back to you. And I have a question for all of you, okay? So this is George Soros. Billionaire mega-donor George Soros has funneled more than $80 million to organizations that praise terrorists or urge protective violence in America.

According to a new report by Capital Research Center, CRC, the report said that through his Open Society Foundation, they distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engage in or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of domestic Terrorism. So again, let me read that has this distributed tens of millions of dollars to groups that engaged or endorse actions that meet the FBI's definition of Domestic terrorism the revelations come as authorities investigate left-wing organization for possible connection to the September 10th

murder of turning point USA at Utah Valley University since 2020 Open Society Foundation has given four hundred thousand dollars to the Center for Third World Organization Which boasts its through down with people in the streets during During the George Floyd riots, CRC noted that CTWO, which is the Center for Third World Organization, organizing has consolidated radical groups into its hub, including the Ruckus Society, whose founders and training materials endorse tactics that may be outside of the law. CRC says the network also includes the Blackout

Collective, which co-authored a pro-Hamas guide that glorifies October 7th attacks and references a ruckus society manual promoting tactics like property destruction and blockades.

Okay.

You're following it so far what's being said. The Open Society Foundation has provided $1.85 million to Dream Defenders and $18 million to Movement for Black Lives Matter, which collaborated with Blackout Collective to create the Pro Humans Guide, according to CRC's report. Soros Foundation has given $200,000 to dissenters, author, co-author of the alleged Pro Humans Guide. So, here's the question for you, Tom.

Is this legal to be able to do so? And what are the laws of if I give money, and I'm actually really curious, because Soros, his lawyers, you can have good lawyers, and I'm just thinking from the lawyer from his lawyer, I just give money. I don't know what they're going to do with the money. My job is to just give money. We're just giving money. We give away to

hundreds of charities. They happen to do something like this. We of course don't

support something like this, but they did it. Tom. So it is illegal to incent violence, number one. Illegal. Illegal. It's illegal to incent violence. Is it

illegal to give money to a charity that does?

Well, now you've got the slippery slope. Oh, well, our intense title of our charity doesn't mean that we're using money to buy guns. Well, I think everybody knows what's going on here with Soros. There is a reason he's not welcome in his own home country. And this is exactly what he's not welcome in his own home country and he's exactly what he's what he's doing

So the legality or illegality of that it says I think I think we are that there is just a thin hairline between what he's doing and legality But they are so careful the way they do it from what jurisdiction and how they do it I believe that some of the stuff does is not legal because they're incenting violence very specifically, very specifically. And I don't think that can possibly be legal under the constitutional framework about within

freedom of speech and not incenting violence. I don't see how it can be, but he's so careful, Pat. We've seen how they give it through the dark funds and through the backdoor and through the packs that don't have to disclose where it comes from. And then you have the allegedly gay 400 here. You know, we know what he's all about.

And so I think he's guilty because we know what he's all about. He wants to go to globalism where the world is controlled by socialist elites. That is his defined destination. He's very clear about that. And so therefore, how do you destabilize all these governments? You have to destabilize them. And what do you do with an election? I don't think so. You have to do it with violence. Wait, I've got an idea. What if I give money to district attorneys that won't prosecute people for violence?

Now I can give to violence and make sure that there's limited penalties. So I don't see how it can't be illegal. And I'd like to see somebody with some hair on their chest. And I don't mean that, you know...

Middle Eastern...

I'm not being misogynist.

I mean, somebody needs to muscle... somebody needs to muscle up and stand up.

Anybody though. It doesn't have to be Middle Eastern. Somebody that has the brass is what you're saying.

Or with hair on their chest. Some women have hair on their chest these days.

How about the guts and the courage, male or female, to walk to the podium and say, hang on a second, we're gonna investigate all these things and this stuff may be illegal, and Mr. Soros, maybe not only can you not step foot in Hungary, maybe there's a day where you don't wanna step foot in the United States

because you don't wanna get arrested. But the goal is globalism and social elite, run by social elites, and destabilization is the tool. And so funding the people that cause this in the street.

And you always wonder like the majority of the time how many all the roads to me lead back to this guy and guys if you watch a movie Rob like a movie and you're like who's the bad guy Rob can you put that for zoom in on the one on the left like look at the face that's the fit when people are like okay Who's I would pick Klaus Schwab over him, but he's there Klaus Schwab is bad But that guy but that like every time you figure out who's paying who was giving this guy money

Who was doing this and these are the people that want to destroy the country, but you know I don't want hey They keep hinting Trump was hinting at it Trump got the tweet about Pam Bondi, like, hey Pam, I'm getting messages from people that are saying you're not going after all these people. And then he kind of is nice to her. We want accountability. And I keep hearing this guy's name.

I keep hearing the destructive behavior, the giving the money. Let's call a spade a spade. We know what he's doing. And we know, Adam, you want to talk about hating America? That's the guy. That's the guy. And guess what?

His son seems to me that he's going to be carrying the torch when he's done. But that's the face, Pat.

Yeah, all I'm trying to find out is, so you got the crockettes. You got all these guys that are there, right? Okay. And then you got the guy from the top that's giving money. Like you heard the one lady that was giving a speech and said, well, Charlie, one day came to me and she said, he needed, he wanted $50,000 start. I'm like, you go raise half. I'll give you the other half. Within two days he comes back saying I raised a 25, he gets to 25.

And then now we've given him millions of dollars. Right. There is people that you're gonna go and raise money with. Stacey Sheridan, I believe was her name. Rebecca Dunn.

Rebecca Dunn.

And people who give money, why do they give money? You give money to a charity either because you believe in the charity, you give money to a charity because you have certain things that you like to happen, or you give money to a charity because you want to be involved in certain things that's going to happen. You're going to sit at this table. You're going to be at this thing.

These are different kind of things that they're doing. I'm trying to find out if somebody is given this kind of money that's leading to protesting and rioting and destroying the streets, why don't we crack down on that, Tom? Why don't we crack down on the person that's funding all the protests and the riots that are taking place?

I think the problem is, and I'd love to get a constitutional scholar here and I can dive in even deeper. So why was it important for Trump to call, remember when he called the cartels foreign terrorist organization, FTOs? Right, because now you're an enemy of the United States. Whose pen can now go after you?

Donald Trump.

Donald Trump. Can he send helicopters over there with the cooperation of the foreign government to go blow up your drug lab or?

Your drug boat?

Or, exactly, or maybe something on Mexican soil if you had the cooperation. So that's illegal, Pat, and you're an enemy of the United States. The problem is domestic terrorism. There is no, there is no that I'm aware of,

a legal way to say, well, you're a domestic terrorist other than words. There's not a law that says domestic terrorism, you can't fund it. And then they say, well, I'm funding freedom of speech. And if some of them get out of hand and light a fire in the middle of the street and burn a flag, that's freedom of expression.

So Pat, they kind of hide behind it. I think there's a difference between foreign terrorist organizations, which we did with the cartels, and domestic terrorist organization. And I think that there's a caution. Here's my speculation.

If I'm president and I'm on the right, and I call you a domestic terrorist organization, now I can take action against you. I'm only six seconds from the next election. And then him saying, all conservative churches are now domestic terrorist organizations. And I don't think we want to put that law

at the hand of a partisan pen, because the pendulum will swing back and forth, like it has on this freedom of speech things when the Democrats didn't go to boomerang safety training and are getting hit by the same boomerang they were throwing asking to cancel Trump.

I asked this question. What if you give money to charity that commits violence? If you go a little bit lower, there is an article under US law 18 USC and then it gives the whole details of what the number is. It's a crime to knowingly provide material support, money, training, and resources to a group that engages in terrorism or violence.

Knowingly, so you were right.

But it's knowingly.

So he could play dumb.

So then you have to prove knowingly, right? Material support includes donations, equipment, or even services. If a donor knows the organization commits or plans violence they can face prosecution Unknowing support if you give to a large foundation Another charity and you have no knowledge of what they're gonna be doing with it. You're not criminal held liable So this is the part where a good lawyer will defend you and say no

I didn't know that this was taking place because it's gonna continue happening It's gonna continue happening the fact that nothing happened this Sunday. I Am so surprised Whether you want to give credit cops were everywhere Secret Service everywhere military everywhere everywhere you went you saw guys with the black glasses

Everywhere you look left and right a lot of that your pieces Adam thoughts on. George Soros and his whole organization needs to be looked into and hopefully held accountable, dismantled at the most. Because you know, and we can play this clip, Charlie Kirk talks about the difference between liberals and leftists, right? There's liberals, there's progressives, there's leftists, there's the far left, there's the radical left, then there's communists, then there's Marxists.

I'll ask you where you think George Soros falls and who he contributes to. Just like there's conservatives, just like there's the Republicans, and then there's white nationalists and KKK and the far right. You know, we got to be careful with painting with broad strokes. But if we're going to label the KKK domestic terrorist and neo-Nazis domestic terrorists. What's the, what's the left version of that Antifa, whatever

Soros has contributed to. So let's not play this game of like, Oh, I didn't know what I was. You know exactly what you're doing. They all show up with the exact same sign, with the exact same protest, with the free Palestine, with the BLM. And they want to see America burn and and they wanna take down the West.

And we can't just sit here and capitulate and be like, freedom of speech, bro. He needs to be held accountable.

Yeah, okay, well, I mean, to me, I'm just trying to see, if it's allowed and you keep doing it, guess what? This is not gonna stop. But if they investigate and they see that there is intent and you know, what's happening? Then there's a different conversation Tom. Let's talk about the h-1b visa. Okay, we're gonna say something

I found I just quickly chat GPT this on an FTOs foreign terrorist organization There is no domestic counterpart for a foreign terrorist organization So it's not illegal to provide material support unless you know That violence is going to take place. And there's no legal mechanism at any level, state, congressional, or executive, executive president, to define domestic terrorist organization.

Applying a label would require a change in federal law related to First Amendment privileges.

Oh wow.

Mahleta!

So there it is. And by the way, if you change that, guess what? Every president, based on what sign they're on, could start defining his enemies.

For sure, enemies. Okay, so Trump imposes a $100,000 fee on H-1B visa applications. A lot of people are not happy, okay? Some people in Mumbai, some people in Bombay. Okay, and people are Mumbai

Bombay

Video can I can I rush and I don't want to upset your friends. I'm just reading a story guys. I'm just Conclusion So president Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive action on Friday that would impose $100,000 application fee for h1b visas I've gotten so many minutes because of, of people that are upset with this. An effort to curb overuse of the program, a White House official told CNN, the executive action plan claimed that abuse of H-1B visa pathway has displaced U.S. workers and will restrict entry under the program unless accompanied by payment, the

official said, the move marks the latest in a series of efforts from the administration to crack down on immigration and could significantly impact industries that could heavily depend on H-1B workers. The H-1B visa is a work visa that's valid for three years and can be renewed for another three years. Here's President Trump talking about it. Go ahead.

President, it seems like there's two categories of visa programs.

The H-1B, a lot of people believe, is take American jobs.

And then the gold card in programs like EB-5 that add value and jobs to America.

Is that sort of how you look at the visa program?

Well, ideally, look, if somebody's got the people, they're not going to want to spend $100,000 as an example in your second category. So it's not taking jobs. And we need certain jobs. We need certain skills jobs that we don't have. But they won't be taking jobs because, you know, ideally, the people are going to want

to they're not going to ask you in America, right?

That's right.

So that's what I'm asking. They're really investing in it. It seems like you have two categories. One, the Secretary of Labor thinks the gold card and the E5 will create jobs and investment, and then there's other ones that seem to take, you know, whether it's a J1 and O or an H1B that take U.S. jobs.

Yeah, it's pretty correct. I mean, I would say's it's wonderful to say, oh, gee, this is we took in twenty five million people that. Look, many criminals, jails were open for Venezuela, for many other countries, and they were let out of jail and poured into our country, our poor country, how it suffered with this...

You can pause it right there, Tom, thoughts.

Okay, so first let's break down what happened and then let's find out why people are upset. And then Vinny dug up something by a group called 4chan that they did in the middle of

it.

So let's get to that. Yeah, yeah, I want you to talk about that.

That was a good, that's a very good catch. So first of all, what's happening? Inside the bill, the minimum wage that's payable is moving from one point to another, from $60,000 to $150,000. Well, what does that mean? Means that, hey, I'd like to get some engineers. I found some guys that went out of ITT,

fantastic university in India. They'd like to come over here. I'm going to pay them $70,000. I should be paying them $140,000, $150,000, $160,000. Why am I paying them $70,000? Because I'm saying, I'll give you the job if you'll work for $70,000.

Now I got the engineer coming over here on an H-1B. Well, guess who I didn't pay? I didn't pay Americans over here and I mean maybe Indian Americans are over here on educational visas that are gonna convert that into a you know You know a work visa of some type not necessarily an H-1B and it's there are people over here But guess what? I just did I lowered my cost of making software didn't I? Of course you did. Because now I got all these people on H1Bs. So here's what Trump is saying. They're saying if you have some incredibly special individual

that you are willing to pay $152 and then also give the government $100, that's $250, where it's a super software architect, a super CTO, or a super person, guess what? The H-1B program is here for you and you may use it. If not, then let's stop lying to the camera about that the H-1B is about diversity and opportunity. It's not. These people, primarily from India,

and there's a lot of people reacting, have been taken advantage of for a long time. Let me tell you my personal moral authority on this. I went to hire people when I was in Southern California running a company that had a large software lab, and guess what?

People came to me, and I interviewed some people, and they said but I'm sorry, you know the h1b. Can you run it through this guy? And I'm like, what are you talking about? And there is a legal organization Where this gentleman had ten and they were Indian So I'm not picking on India, but they were they were ten Indian engineer from Hyderabad that We're gonna come that could work for me.

But I have to pay the company. I found out the company was going to take 20% of the paycheck. So not only was I going to pay $80,000 for these people, $16,000 was going to go to this guy standing in the middle. So they were really only going to get $64,000. What nobody is talking about is the exploitation and the placement services that have been going on.

By the way, that organization was based legally with the US business license. They were not criminals. They were in San Francisco. But when you look at it on paper, the absolute conclusion is that that individual who just wants a job is being taken advantage of. Number one. And number two, a kid like Marc Andreessen, I think, went to the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana. I think that's, I'm correct. So you have a modern-day Mark Andreessen that comes out of there and doesn't get the job. Why? He's looking for $120, $130 because that's the price for the job. And so what Trump is saying,

if you really want them, you can have them, but it's going to cost you $250, and enough with this.

Who's not happy with it? Who's not happy with this?

Who's not happy with it is that a lot of people from India are upset because they saw this as an avenue to get to jobs. And they were accepting.

Who in America's not happy with it?

Not people in India.

I'll tell you who's not happy with it. The CEOs that take advantage of this talent that are now in their CFO's office saying, okay, so let's go take a look at the development costs for next year. If we hire any H1Bs, we don't get them for $88,000, $85,000. Now it's going to cost us $250,000. We better be sure who we want. So they're upset because we just cut off the cheap labor because Pat, it is fakery. It's absolute fakery. Silicon Valley and anybody in America, not everybody, organizations in

Silicon Valley or in America that were, not everybody, not throwing everybody out, that were taking advantage of this to get cheaper labor than you would get by paying available labor here in the United States are about to see their costs go up Pat and that's why they're upset and a lot of people say well you're targeting India well not really but we're not specifically targeting India like a trade situation you know but but there have been a lot in India but I'll say it

now very clearly they were being exploited paying a lower rate and the US companies were taking advantage of that with lower costs and they were taking advantage of this and there were great engineers in America of whatever background coming out of our schools that weren't getting opportunities for this because they were there. And guess who could take advantage of it most?

The bigger companies that had the longer arms are able to lobby your thoughts.

Well look I think the average American doesn't know anything about H1B visas and this conversation came up I want to say in Christmas. I thought it was a vaccine. I thought H1B was a vaccine.

Gotcha.

It's your third booster. I was like great another booster. Great you did it again, Vinny. Uh, but this conversation really, uh, reached an inflection point. Steve Bannon versus, uh, Vivek Ramaswamy and then Elon Musk. And it's true. Tom's right. There are a lot of people that are exploiting this loophole, right? The conversation that you had, I thought was very impactful. What were you on? Will

Cain show PBD? Yeah. I want to get your perspective on that, but, uh, there's legal immigration. There's a legal immigration. This is, we're talking about legal immigration, but we want the best and brightest from all around the world. We want people who are contributing to America, but we don't want these people replacing Americans that can also do the job. And then there's that 50, 60, 80, a hundred thousand dollars, you know, in the middle that goes to the head hunters or the exploiters, the company. So I think at the end of the day, if we're going

to have these people, they need to have a couple of different qualifications other than the hard skills. They need to love America. Want to be in America. They don't, they, they, they should be able to stay in America because there's three year increments and then they need to pay their taxes America and keep their money in America because a lot of times they come here they're paid low wages they take away American jobs but then they send their money out of the country so this doesn't help anyone but the company that's

doing it and exploiting them. What are your thoughts BBD? Yeah I mean look I to me it comes down to this if this causes those jobs to be in America where we hire an American That's what he promised very simple. It was part of his 47 promise the 20 promises that he made for Being a president. So if you like it, you don't like it He's keeping his promise on what he's doing with it how they're going about it

The one thing about president Trump guy, you know with this one lady message him say well, you know how this is gonna affect this isn't just about engineers Well, what about the nurses? You know, there's a what did what did she say? She said by the way, she said something it's actually very true. Was it the girl that I know? Yeah, you know her as amazing. We know medical that medical deserts, right? We're Plate a Rob. Can you pull up medical deserts just type in medical deserts time?

I'm sure you're aware what medical deserts are areas in America where we don't have enough go to images If you can go to images Rob Well, we don't have enough help and support if you zoom out a little bit so we can show what this is, number of, just go on the one, you were doing the right thing, yeah. Healthcare deserts, county by county, number of healthcare deserts, one, two, three, four, five, six, from the lowest to the highest, right?

You see there's some places where we don't have enough pharmacies or primary care providers or hospitals or hospital beds or trauma centers and so the argument then becomes you know who does this affect does this affect the medical field does this affect what kind of health care we can provide to our because maybe some nurses are coming from different places on h1b visas. Maybe some people are coming So that is the only part but but but this is my trust in the administration Do you guys remember when they came out with something and then they change it immediately immediately within days?

What was it when he announced something President Trump came up with something and they said, ah, you know what we've thought about it it was It was what they were doing in California and they were getting rid of some workers and they said wait a minute, our farms are taking a hit

and we have to find a way to make it work

do you remember that Rob? I don't know what it was

Yeah, it was the foreign workers for deportation

Right, and it was kind of like hey because of this we are deciding to do this because that's what a CEO does. You come up with a new compensation plan, you come up with a new benefits package, you come up with something new, and then all of a sudden, like, oh, it broke this. It broke that.

It broke this. Like, one time we got a health insurance, they come in, we're going to be cheaper, we're going to be this, we're going to be that. This is awesome. You know guys are like phenomenon you notice they didn't have a what do you call it when you have a kid delivery Tom when you have the benefit of where the insurance covers if you have a child.

Maternity.

Maternity not maternity leave. No. It's the actual procedure when you're going there it's expensive right when you're at the hospital. This one insurance didn't cover that.

C-sections?

No just the fact.

Just the regular delivery. Yeah, regular delivery. So one of our girls comes in, it's like, wait, do you know about this insurance that we got? What's that? You know, if I want to have a kid, the benefits better before, even though this is, let's just say 20% cheaper for, but it's not for somebody that wants to have kids. You know what we got to change it to them. We want to change your health insurance again So so Trump is going to all the coverage exclusion. Yes, that's right. That's right Yes, the Trump's Trump's gonna see this and it's gonna say let's see how the market reacts. Let's you cause us

Alright, okay. So here there's a this is who call it. They got a good point. Can we make that adjustment? Can we make the judge? Yes, And then boom, they take the next step. So I trust the fact that they'll be pivoting, but I do know this is a very sensitive issues to a lot of people and I respect them. It was part of his promise to keep the jobs in

America. And by the way, he made a micro pivot yesterday or Saturday where he said, Hey, to be clear, that $100,000 will not apply. It should not apply if you already have visas in motion because you weren't playing. Yes. I saw that Okay, so I don't want to I don't want you to be so yes

Pat let me just give you a little bit of credit for what you just said because I don't know if everybody caught that That is such an important component of why Trump is a good president hear me out as a CEO because I see you I have the the honor of sitting next to all the time and seeing these decisions, even on the plane yesterday, of not doubling down on bad decisions. I'm saying, you know what? We were wrong on that one. Guys, we're going to cut. We're going to stop that agenda. We're going to actually cut off that show. We're going to do whatever it is. And we're actually going to pivot. A lot of politicians I keep my word wink wink Gavin Newsom But to reverse course and not double down on a dumb decision is so important For the leader of the country or the leader of a company that to me is very important

Yeah, I mean listen that you can't have it any other way if you're a businessman You're not gonna make it your business gonna be out of business and and there's not much you can do about it now Let's talk about what's going on with tick-tock Tom a tick-tock story is Getting more my by the way, President Trump talked about tick-tock with Charlie Case Charlie was talking about tick-tock is gonna play a very important role in how it helped the election I think we got to figure something out. So Trump says she approved tick-tocks deal in

Productive phone call. Okay, and And Rob, I think you got a video on this as well, if I'm not mistaken, on the TikTok deal. Is this the one?

Yes. Go for it.

Mr. President, your call this morning with President Xi.

I had a great call with President Xi, and as you know, he approved the TikTok deal, and we're in the process. We have some great investors, big, some of the biggest in the world, American investors, great people. And we look forward to getting that deal closed.

Is it fully approved? The Chinese statements didn't necessarily indicate that.

I think so. When you say fully approved, I don't know what that means. We have to get we have to get it signed. I guess there could be a formality. I found his word to be very good. President Xi and I had a long talk.

We talked for almost two hours. And it started at eight o'clock in the morning. And I think it was a very good talk. We talked about trade. We talked about trade, we talked about war, we talked about a lot of things. We talked about Russia, Ukraine, obviously, and Gaza. We talked about a lot of subjects.

It was a long call, it was a good call.

We have a very good relationship.

He said he's going there next year. But yeah, he said possible visit next year. Tom, so as you're seeing this, I want to say Larry Ellison is one of the folks that's behind the deal. And I want to see that TikTok deal gives Americans six of the seven board seats, which is an 87 percent. And I think it's Caroline Leavitt saying go for it.

This deal does put America's first. And let me just be very clear. This deal means that TikTok will be majority owned by Americans in the United States. There will be seven seats on the board that controls the app in the United States, and six of those seats will be Americans. And the data and privacy will be led by one of America's greatest tech companies, Oracle, and the algorithm will also be controlled by America as well.

So all of those details have already been agreed upon. Now we just need this deal to be signed, and that will be happening, I anticipate, in the coming

days.

Making some news there. So six of the seven seats will be American.

Tom, what do you know about TikTok?

So I dove into it a little bit. If all of those things that Ms. Leavitt said come true, then this is good. So the problem is TikTok, we know, has data leakage in the back. When I say we know, it's like, I can't be absolute about this, but everyone talks about, hey, look, this is a Chinese app that there have been forensics done

that is looking at other apps on your phone, doing things, and we think that's dangerous. We don't think that's very safe. And so that was the whole reason that the January 25, 2025 deadline was put on by Trump. Hey, we can't have this.

Well, Oracle and Silverlake are named as people. The deal's not done yet, but Pat, but Oracle and Silverlake is two of the very large, and Silverlake's a large PE firm, the large organization there. Oracle gets the technical business on their servers.

And then the comment they made, there's three elements to it. Six to seven board seats would be American, majority owned by America, and the algorithm controlled by America. That's the crazy part of this, is ByteDance algorithm

to know whether it is promoting certain content to our young people or taking data and redirecting it elsewhere. Those things have to happen. And apparently the responsibility is gonna be with the board and Oracle.

If that truly happens, then TikTok, at the president's promise, has been converted to an app that is safer in terms of the foreign intervention. And then draw your own conclusions, because X is here in the US, and their algorithms sometimes

are a little odd. Facebook is in the US, and their algorithms sometimes are a little odd. Facebook is in the US and their algorithms are sometimes a little odd. So just because the algorithms are controlled by Americans, Pat, doesn't mean that there might not be funny business in there. But this is good and this is part of a campaign promise. And this is the result of nine months of negotiations back and forth that goes back to that deadline that was January 2025.

Do you trust it?

I trust Larry Ellison, but I wanna see the final part of this deal.

Do you trust that TikTok and China's not gonna have any influence or control or even a backend access to the algorithms that they can use that we have to report to them?

Not to be cynical, but if Xi likes it and agrees to it, I probably still have a problem with it. I want Xi to be very, wait a minute, this wasn't the deal. When you said in January, you would do this. If he's reacting like that, then I'm gonna say, okay, hang on, stay with that.

I want that version of the contract. Yeah. But if China's happy in any way, it does give me concerns.

Got it. Adam, uh, shut down. Tick tock straight up. Uh, I don't take hard line positions on much stuff. I tend to be pragmatic, moderate for right now. Uh, I don't see the benefit of keeping tick tock in this country whatsoever. I know they're talking about, you know, they've been doing extensions and, and Larry Ellison who has, I have immense respect for, uh, and board seats and the algorithm, the data. Where's the data going? In my opinion, tick talk is a national security concern. It is a propaganda mouthpiece of the CCP. And what do we get for it? Free speech. Yeah. I've been permanently banned from TikTok

because I posted a video of me interviewing Nick Fuentes and not being like, yeah, Nick, I hate everybody you do. I say, I'm pushing Nick Fuentes. So they're gonna ban me from interviewing a conversation I had. We talk about, hey, how do you not get shadow banned

on YouTube or whatever? It's by actually not agreeing with maybe bombastic, wild takes and pushing them. Not on TikTok, they will just ban you for nothing. So social media, China, forgive me, I do not see daylight there.

Show me one American app that is legal in China.

I'll wait. Rob, I like the poll you just ran. Rob ran a poll. What percentage of you support the ban of Adam on TikTok? 99%.

99.

So they side with Xi and China. Well, that's typical American these days. Siding with Xi and China and Putin and other enemies.

Not a real American. But I will tell you. I wasn't aware I. With Xi and China and Putin and other enemies. No, no, but let me tell you. Not a real American.

But I will tell you. I wasn't aware I agreed with Xi on anything. When we had-

Oh, Tom.

You're so funny, Tom. When we had Charlie Kirk and Chris Coma on the podcast, Charlie broke down that he reached out to TikTok and asked them, what do you want? Because I'm going to be driving TikTok. And I don't know how many videos he did that got over 30 million views, but he crushed TikTok's algorithms

and it helped. So it helped him win. Helped him win. So I don't know where it's going to go here. Here's President talking about a very interesting person that's going to have control that some

may or may not like it. Go ahead, Rob.

A tremendous amount of money.

Billions?

Oh, I'd rather have them. You know, they're very well known people. And Larry Ellison's one of them. He's involved. He's a great guy. Michael Dell is involved.

I hate to tell you this, but a man named Lachlan is involved. You know who Lachlan is? That's a very unusual name. Lachlan Murdoch. Mr. Murdoch. I believe.

You better use Mr. Boyd. That's his boss.

So funny. So Lachlan Murdoch's role is what, Rob? They're saying he may be a board member as well as Michael Dell from Dell Computers.

Alright, alright. I like, let's see what happens. What do you think we should do with TikTok? I remember you did a whole experiment on TikTok. Listen. Break it down. Owned by them? Yeah, by the way, I did the experiment and then they adjusted my algorithm. They're like, oh, he's on to us. Yeah. They just said my algorithms afterwards. But no, I think if it's going to be owned, controlled here and no ties of reporting back end to them, and that's a hundred percent clear, then I'm a

little bit more comfortable with it.

You trust China?

What do you, how much you think I trust China?

I don't know.

We did a poll here right now

99% of our audience how much you think agrees with you on this? I trust what our audience is decision to that sided with them to ban you on to talk because I think it's better for mental clarity But other than that, you know, it's it's a different story. All right, so let's go into a city Let me see if I'm gonna go to this one. I don't know boom boom boom boom. Okay this one I'm really curious to know what some of you guys will say about this so Jimmy Kimmel. All right, Jimmy Jimmy so Jimmy Kimmel is in talks with Disney to

negotiate return of late-night show Okay, so What that call is like and talk is like who knows? but he is Having to talk So during talks in late night, according to a report a comedian business and legal representatives are in deep discussions with the CNBC

Trying to amour out a compromise that would allow Jimmy Kimmel live to resume his 23rd season Insider told Vanity Fair whether the sparring parties are closed to any resolution is unknown. Leaving Kimmel and his show in limbo following defensive comments he made this week about the slaughter of Charlie Kirk, Kimmel is reportedly concerned about what a permanent cancellation would look like for his crew in LA who work on the show, many of whom are still digging themselves out of a financial hole caused by the actor strike in 2023?

Neither Kimmel's team nor Disney immediately responded to the post. So that's that part now Aside from that you get a message from the former CEO of Disney Michael Eisner Michael Eisner Michael Eisner Blasts current leadership to guy named Bob Iger is there over how they handle Jimmy Kimmel's controversy now you got to know there's a little bit of back and forth with Michael Eisner and Bob Iger because Michael Eisner sometimes felt like Bob Iger came and took over his job and and if you know the story

You know Bob has been at ABC started off at ABC worked all the way up from 40 plus years ago Bob's been at Disney Rob, can you find that how long has Bob Iker been at Disney and ABC how many years it'll kind of tell you so you need to know that it's it's what I what I'm saying is I think it's 40 years is long he's been there. Yeah, I was wrong 41 years. He's been there. Okay, so there you go. So Okay, so Michael Eisner blasted the company's correlation of Jim Gammon this man and dividend suspension I is not lashed out at FCC's chairman Brandon Carr

For using out-of-control Intimidation to bully ABC to suspended a committee on late-night show He also appeared to take a jab at a successor, Bob Iger, and questioned why leaders were not fighting against the supposed government pressure. Eisner asked on X, where was all the leadership gone? Where's all the leadership gone?

If not for university presidents, where's that at, Robert? If not for university presidents, law firms, management partners, corporate chief executives standing up against bullies. Who then will step up for the First Amendment? Suspending indefinitely of Jimmy Kimmel immediately after the chairman of FCC aggressively yet hollow threatening of the Disney company is yet another example of out of control intimidation.

Maybe the Constitution should have said, Congress shall make no laws abiding the freedom of speech or of the press except in one political or financial self-interest by the way for the record

This ex-ceo finds Jimmy Kimmel very talented and very funny. Okay. Well this ex-ceo would be completely wrong Respectfully Michael anybody that says very good and funny is absolutely I all that message

Goes out the window when you say that at the end. So in this thing, Michael Eisner is eloquently finding a way to call out both Eiger and call out Trump at the same time. So he got two things done and was able to give credit to Jimmy to make sure, oh my god, you know, Jimmy's gonna be like, well Michael Eisner's on my side. So he's not really helping. Nothing about this comment, believe it or not, helps. Tom, your thoughts.

So, first of all, here you have Eisner, who is a legend of corporate leadership, a tremendous CEO that had to make the hard calls, wasn't always liked by everybody in his organization, but when you look at the expansion of Disney and you look at the deals he made

and you look at the expansion of Disney and you look at the deals he made and you look at the share price Michael Eisner gets a very very good report card now. He comes out of out of Remember, he's a leader. He speaks like this. So Pat I wonder if there's part of him that just can't help himself saying Watching his old company and everything go through this. He's like I I can't I I can't do this

I'm gonna speak up right? It's it's like but Tom do you see this as leadership you take this as leadership what is he speaking up against he's speaking the way I interpret it again English is my fifth language but the way I interpret this is if I was there I would have called Brandon Carr of the FCC I think that's his name and I would have make sure you can never make a threat like that to Disney I would have kept Jimmy Kimmel and Bob Iger sucks. That's how I interpret this. Yeah, am I wrong?

I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying that his legacy I outlined and then I don't think he can help himself and he goes and says this and he's jumping into the middle of it There are there are five things that I think are true. Number one, it wasn't a freedom of speech issue and the fact that these people can go talk to the media after it's all done and criticize the president proves they still have freedom of speech. They're not in a jail cell with

stitches on their foreheads. Okay, second, it was an employee behavior issue. And there were things going on there, and Jimmy Kimmel got out of line, and Jimmy Kimmel didn't listen to the boss, and he got himself suspended, and advertisers, and things.

So it was a company decision, not a freedom of speech. But they have to make it a freedom of speech issue, make it a freedom of speech issues make about Trump number three that is true hypocrisy He says you look back the same language that was in the public square They were they were applauding that same language to get rid of Trump when they got when Rosie O'Donnell got cancelled AOC went and did a very tender, you know

Statement when when Tucker was off the air. So the hypocrisy the other way just shows that apparently when HR sent the email about boomerang safety training, they didn't go. And now here the boomerang has come back, bonk, and here you have it.

Number four, number four thing is, I think Eisner can't, with his legacy and everything, Pat, you can't parachute back in like this. I don't think it's helpful. I respect him. I respect his history and everything, but parachuting back in, there was something that,

remember that Bush said that other people didn't. Bush said, I'm not here to criticize my predecessor. And when he left the White House, he said, look, I'm not going to jump into certain debates here. I may comment on things, but I'm just gonna leave it alone. Whereas Obama chose to blame, blame, blame, as did Biden. And so I think right here, I don't know that if I was Michael

with my legacy and everything, I would have jumped in like that, said, if I'd have been there, these things would have happened. You don't know that. You don't know what everything was in front of them. You don't know about, I'm sure he's getting leaks on it, but I don't think with his background, I mean a Hall of Fame baseball player shouldn't jump in and criticize the modern players. You should say, I don't know about that, you know, that seems odd to me, but directly jumping

in and saying if I had been there, I would have got the hit in the bottom of the ninth world series. Well I have a special place in my heart for Disney because I've told the story that this was the first stock I ever owned. My grandma bought me 10 shares when I was a kid and look at me now. But I would argue that Bob Iger, not Michael Eisner, Bob Iger is the best CEO Disney's ever had. So you know Tom over there always talks about words, talk, number, scream. Look at, go to the max for Disney if you can pull up their stock price. So follow the numbers here.

Scroll down, Rob, so you see the years at the bottom. Michael Eisner was the CEO, I believe, from the early 80s to 2005. So look at the growth. It's up, but it's not massive. Bob Iger takes over in, I believe, 2005, and boom, it's up, but it's not massive. Uh, Bob Iger takes over and I believe 2005 and boom,

it goes off and it reaches its apex right as COVID basically hit. And then he stepped down in, um, 2022, I believe. And then, uh, they believe in what was the CEO they brought in was another Bob, Bob, I believe. Yeah. And I think for like two or three years and go woke go broke and I'm not pinning this on him. They're like, nah, bruh, you gots to go. And then they brought back in Iger.

So a lot of what happened with Disney, a lot of the productions they had in place were placed blame on Bob Iger. But if you look at the stock price now, it's actually trending upward again, since it basically reached its lows during COVID. So what's the point here? Bob Iger has been the best leader there.

I think Disney trusts his judgment. As far as Jimmy Kimmel goes, guys, let's, come on. Nobody finds Jimmy Kimmel funny. Nobody finds him talented. I get that he's a mouthpiece of the left. I get that he's been on there for 20 years now

and this is darling, but stop it guys. This isn't a free speech issue. They're hemorrhaging money, they're losing an audience. The writing's on the wall and they were looking for something to say, how do we get rid of this guy?

That's my opinion and they did it with this. Let's do that. I like what direction you went. When Michael Eisner took over, Disney was worth $2 billion as CEO, just so you know that. And he took it from $2 billion to $60 billion.

Wow.

So he 30x'd. When Bob Iger took over, this is Michael Eisner, when Bob Iger took over, it was worth roughly 50 or 60 billion dollars and now it's worth 250 whatever the number is 230 so he 4x 5x the company so Michael Eisner does get a lot of credit to the people that are in the Disney world I don't know what he's doing here I don't think he gets anything done here I'm a fan of Iger I've read his book I like the story I like what he did politically we know

what he's at at one point he was thinking about running for president when he was talking to, was he talking to Rupert or Roger Ailes, one of the guys he was talking to where he had interest of running for president. At the time he was 60 years old. How old is he right now?

74.

Yeah, he was 60 was one of those guys and this guy's got the swagger of somebody for running so I Just think the last five years have been one after another shitty decision and I think the transition didn't work the co-ceo didn't work and I think a lot of people are even saying It's Bob making the decision, but it's not fully Bob making a decision isn't the Sinclair Network they're like we just don't want this show on if he's gonna be doing this right so it's not like what are you talking about in business they're right to say they're right they say and then Bob's got to

make a decision say hey can you go in and apologize no I'm not gonna apologize what the hell you want me to do is a matter of fact I'm gonna go back I'm gonna go back and double down you're calling out your president The CEO of the company publicly and saying screw you buddy. I'm sorry. I mean that that's just not how business works So no, this has got nothing to do with the FCC stuff and no, it's got nothing to do with Trump It's got to now. Let me you hear some of these stories. We're thinking about taking away the license I think that's this is where now you're adding when Trump says stuff like that

You're given the other side Ammunition to come back with a bunch of other things to say, but that's where I'm at with the story We'll see what happened here one last door before we wrap up. What story do you guys want to hit? Tell me any one story. Do I need to get involved?

No, you're good.

Because I will.

I can't tell you what we're doing. I can't tell you who we're going to hurt. But I need you to.

Whose car are we taking? Whose car are we taking? Yeah, whose car are we taking? I'm with you.

So which one do we take? You want to do a couple of stories? Tom, you guys have something very interesting here, going back and forth. I won't do any stories. What we will do is we'll cover all these stories on the next podcast. Today's what, Monday? Is today Monday, Rob?

Yes, sir.

Today's Monday.

We don't even know who we are. Wednesday, we'll have a pod. Something interesting may come up tomorrow. Okay, well stay tuned guys. God bless everybody. What is it? Faith over fear. Faith over fear. 1500s already sold faith over fear. I freaking love that people are that bold enough to do that.

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