CLAVICULAR Talks Female Psychology, Drug Habit, Infamy

If you're gonna take out Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school What if it you could be a plastic surgeon and by the way I had paper you can actually get College loans and use it for surgery So this is a method So I've been I've been telling people yeah, you can literally do that. Oh, so just miss misappropriating the funds

It's really not gonna get you in that much trouble. And you'll mog, so you'll be able to sort of get out of it.

♪ I'm ready for that show, oh my God, I'm ready for that show ♪ Welcome to a very special episode of the Adam Friedland Show, it's Adam Friedland. We're gonna get right into it. My guest this week is controversial kick streamer and looks maxer Clavicular, that guy. Clavicular has enjoyed quite the meteoric rise over the last six months, thanks in part to a series of live stream controversies that have put him on the social radar of anyone and everyone that has a social media feed. I wonder if our parents, you think our parents do?

My mom.

Your mom, no.

Because they're here at times.

Because your mom's horny, bro.

Bro.

Bro, chill.

Okay, now I'm no fan of the things this young man has said about various groups like women, the LGBT community, and especially Jews. What has he? I didn't know that. Yeah. What does he say about it? But the bad ones, right? But I think it's important to view clavicular as a symptom.

A symptom of something much deeper, something much darker, perhaps. A cultural virus that has plagued the country, the world perhaps, for the last decade. And I'm talking about, of course, I don't have to say it, but none other than video game player and pick-up artist extraordinaire, Hasan Piker. Our younger generation has grown up idealizing this man

who uses a preternatural fashion sense as a tool for sexual persuasion. How many times have you seen young men at the store or perhaps the mall wearing this exact outfit attempting to mold themselves into a man who's quite frankly an anti-semite. Anti-semite of the year, mind you.

A man who views women as workers.

A man who live streams everything he does, makes it about politics. A man who's not even as big as his dog. Folks, I'm hoping this interview will be a wake up call for everyone who's watching it. To stop supporting the monster, Hasan Piker. So please enjoy my interview with Cliff fucking Hell.

Jesus Christ. But you can use a phone, why is he using that? Anyway, so please enjoy my interview with Clavicular, everyone. It's gonna be a good one. I think it'll be a good one.

Ladies and gentlemen, the number one streamer on Kick. Give it up for Clavicular, everyone.

Woo!

Woo! Woo! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome, dude. Kick give it up for clavicular It's a little cold for me But honestly like I'm 38 years old and I'm like learning about looks maxing and stuff like Like I do a lot of research for the show and I feel like I just feel so like a boomer I feel like so foreign from the youth of today I feel like it's I'm learning like a new fucking language or something like that

right yeah all of the terms are quite comical but you know you're not in your own world with not knowing about this whole looks maxing it's kind of a new thing that's popped up over the past few months, I would say to the mainstream. Right.

It's been... But it existed in forums for years, right?

Right. Yeah. No, it's been around for years. It had sort of a explosion on TikTok back in 2023 where like the kids knew about it, but now it's kind of pushing to X and like, you know, people in your demographic a little bit so. So shut up dude. What does that mean? Demographic?

Like old cells?

What is my demographic?

Old cells?

Old cells? Yeah.

What does that mean?

Celibacy?

I get pussy.

Shut the fuck up dude.

I get mad pussy.

No it's not like that.

Even when I was poor. That's just one of the terms that we use. is just through the roof. We'll just add cell to the end of a descriptor. Really?

Just old cell. So what is your role in this ecosystem? How would you define the place that you exist within that?

I would say I'm kind of the cultural leader in the Lux Maxxing world, you know? Because not a lot of people are super well versed. You know, they're not willing to go the distance to whatever it takes to ascend through any and every mechanism out there available to them. So I was like, okay, let's take this to its logical conclusion with biohacking,

with whatever form of ascension necessary.

Are there ops that are trying to come for that number one spot? Do you have to defend the throne?

Not that I know about.

Are you the hottest guy? Is that what you're saying?

No, no, no.

No.

Well, that's just, uh...

You just know the most about looks, Maxie.

Right. Well, that's the goal of the game, right? Boomer sells about what that is. So mogging is essentially just you know outperforming them looking better than them yeah and just sort of dominating right it came from something called a mog which was alpha male of the group then it was short to just mog so that's kind of like the term we use when someone is just like out shining another person in like a photo or whatever so if that comes along and happens to me, right?

That's just kind of like almost biblical, you know, have you been mogged by another by another man? I've definitely been mogged Yeah, yeah. Yeah. How does it feel to get mogged? It's not a great feeling. It feels bad. Yeah It's just like that a guy's more beautiful than you or just uh, it could be through You know a whole plethora of different things. Maybe they have more money than you. They could money mog you. They could status mog you.

Okay.

Do you only chill with handsome guys?

No, no.

I chill with a-

You have normie friends.

I do have normie friends.

And what's your perception of those guys? That they're like, you feel bad for them?

I try not to think about it too much. But,

Yeah.

It's kind of just like a, the only thing that I'm kind of talking about when I discuss, Yeah. you know, looks maxing and the importance of looks is, you know, you could try your hardest

not to acknowledge someone being ugly or good looking, but at the end of the day, it's a subconscious bias that everyone's gonna have and it's unavoidable, right? So just because I know the exact facial ratios that make someone good-looking or not good-looking It doesn't mean that everyone doesn't instinctually know them already

It makes sense to me the basic premise that society rewards attractiveness, right? Yes. Yeah, correct It's kind of obvious, right? Uh-huh. Yeah Do you think it's like a revolutionary concept because it's like you're just saying something

That's always existed, right? Right? Yeah. No, I think it's quite logical and That's why I would say that most of my messaging is so well received is because it seems to me so beyond obvious that You're better-looking You have better treatment in almost every aspect of life and this is something that's also quite well researched. You look at prison sentencing for good looking people versus people who are less attractive. It's quite clear that it's a huge advantage to have in life.

You think you beat the case recently because you're a hottie?

No comment.

No comment. But did you like, you pumped before you walked into the courthouse?

No, I didn't pump. Did you wear something slutty so the judge could see?

No, I was fixing my hair in that one mirror. The curved one, yeah, in the courthouse.

I would throw your ass away for life, personally. Yeah, to an ugly jail. I'd send you to an ugly jail. Brutal. I'm just playing, dog. Wait, so you came with your boys, and that's your camera guy Temporary why you're about to fire him no no no my my other

What's your name come up and say it say what up to the crowd or to the audience yeah? Yeah, yeah, say we come up and say hi. Yes a name age body count Yeah, you don't have a body count. I'm yours. So scared.

And a body count like lower double digits.

Lower double digits like 10.

I don't really count.

Lower double digits. A bizarre way to say that.

Well, double digits implies like 50s.

That's too high.

Yeah.

Okay.

So what's your body count?

I don't count.

Do you guys ever run two mans together? Or no? Not yet, not yet. Not yet.

One day.

Well, two mans is like three something.

Yeah, one day like a devil's three way with you and your, you're in the wide shot right now.

Okay, sorry.

All right.

See you.

I'm just playing.

Let's get back into you. Mr. B says you're about to be the number one guy. I saw a clip. Yes, he said that if he were to invest in any content creator who's up and coming, it would be myself. I'm not really too sure what that means, but.

It sounds like a little bit sinister.

A little bit, yeah.

Maybe a little bit, but.

Dude, that guy kind of tortures poor people, don't you think?

I don't know too much about that. Speculated no, I think people just kind of call into questions stuff about some of the budgeting maybe not being the greatest I mean, so they're doing like the team water thing right in Africa where it's like a charity well Yeah for Africa Wells and people were like is 40 million dollars really necessary and you know personally I have no idea how any cost for the wells and well, that's what people are speculating I have I have no fucking idea, quite honestly. I don't think anyone has any idea how much it costs

to run a water project in Africa.

The interesting thing that you talk about is kind of like how economy that you were presented with at your age, the world that you were promised wasn't a better future. Right? Like, how would you explain that?

So essentially what I always say is, you know, looks maxing is just another version of self-improvement. Yeah. And I'm simply stating that in terms of ascending your sexual market value, which means, you know,

how valued you are by women, how easily you're gonna succeed in the dating market. It's a lot easier to improve your looks and improve your SMV by that metric than it is to overcome certain disparities with your finances or improving your status.

Because what needs to be accomplished is so much greater than people could ever imagine to have equal results. So it's like, let's say you ascend to making even seven figures a year. Sounds like an incredible number, and it is.

When you're a kid, you're like, that's the most money ever.

True, real, I mean, especially when you live in big cities. So that's the thing, right? People get to these insanely good milestones and then they're expecting these results and they're not coming. Like getting pussy, you mean? Well the fact of the matter is,

looks are valued a lot greater in these big cities with how shit the economy is, that's really not getting you as far as you think.

You could just also just move to New York because there's like so many gay guys that there's just more straight women than straight guys.

It's a hack.

Or you could just look, Max. Have you seen Seinfeld before? No. George Costanza was like on dates with the Levens. And it's real. It's real. That's actually

what happens. I don't know. For any of the pop culture references, we are 20 years apart.

You don't know any shows.

No.

You don't know any shows or movies.

Not like anything before like 2015. So like Transformers like four?

No. No.

What's your favorite movie?

Favorite movie?

Oh, that's a tough one.

What's Jester?

Movies are Jester? Movies are kind of Jester and sports.

Sports is, oh yeah, you hate sports.

Yeah, movies I could put up with every once in a while.

What's the best one?

Let me think. The most enjoyable movie.

Dude, you gotta not go back to Miami. Just come chill with me and the lads tonight.

And just watch movies?

Have you seen Moneyball?

I have, that's a good movie.

So us, that movie.

So us, have you seen it? I love it.

Yeah, I like the movie Limitless.

You kinda are a Limitless style guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Is that kind of what having like a stack is, is like being Justin Timberlake?

Or who's the guy in Limitless? Bradley Cooper.

Bradley Cooper.

Yeah, yeah. So it kind of feels that way when you first start taking stimulants.

Yeah, yeah.

A little bit. For me, I just write long emails that I haven't talked to in four years. So you grew up outside the city, Hoboken? Yes. And you've been staying with your family?

Yeah.

Are you close with them?

Yeah, I talk to them a fair bit, just online usually. I haven't seen them in person for about a year before this week.

You talk to them online?

What do you mean? Just over the phone.

Oh, that's on the phone. That's not online. Yeah. You have a sister, younger sister. I do.

Are you close with her?

Yeah.

Yeah. How many years apart?

She is turning 16.

So four years.

Yeah.

Me and my sister are four years.

Okay.

Yeah. We gotta fucking protect our sisters. Indeed. My sister's my dog, we're like very close. You like Springsteen? Who? Bruce Springsteen, he's like New Jersey,

he's like a rocker.

Dude, I gotta put him on a songs, I gotta put him on a movies. We gotta movie max and song max at some point, the two of us, as dogs. Your parents are also, they're bodybuilders,

is that right?

Back in the day, before I was born. They were competitive, like Mr. Olympia? No, not that, that's the top of the top competition. Just local stuff.

Yeah, Jersey. My mom.

Yeah, your mom was.

Yeah, not my dad.

You had a jacked mom?

Yeah, before I was born.

Whoa, I wonder what it would be like to have a jacked mom. I don't know.

You don't know?

Oh, before you were born. You had hot parents?

That's kind of a weird question.

I had a hot mom and a disgusting father. I'm fine saying it. I did the measurements on their eyes and stuff. Did your dad teach you how to work out?

No, I kind of just figured it out on my own Because we had a home gym that I would just dick around in yeah when I was growing up and then I got my first gym membership And kind of would just watch like, you know various rich piano rich. Yeah. Yeah. He was a night. He was a psycho I loved him. Yeah, I love rich too, unfortunately 99% of the shit he was doing is the complete opposite of what the literature suggests. I can't believe it

I can't believe that he was doing this

Rest in peace you fucking God. He was a great guy, but his mentality. Did he die from steroids or? Can you die from steroids? I come it definitely had a role in his passing unfortunately But yeah, you can die from steroids. Yes, just putting a strain on your organs, you know, so When I talk about steroids and testosterone usage It's you know put into the same category as these bodybuilding guys who are dying prematurely, but it's not a binary thing.

It's extremely dose dependent, so when you're talking about TRT or slightly above that, that's not comparable with bodybuilders who are using about 10 or 20 times the dosage.

Does your dick get smaller?

Or your balls?

Your balls.

Your balls get smaller.

It kind of makes your dick look bigger probably. Correct, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's about the proportionality, yeah. It's probably true, yeah. I should do, I have long balls. Wait, what? Nothing. Uh, when did you swipe your V? Like 11 probably? No, 16. 16? Alright, that's a responsible age. Yeah. I thought so. Yeah. So you got into looks maxing prior to...

Yes.

You getting in shape.

Yeah. Was that a motivation?

Those like message boards?

That was, but you know, that wasn't necessarily the only thing I was thinking about at the time. It was more just like an objective, this will improve the quality of my life mentality. And that was just one of the results of that. I guess you could say.

When did you start? Like 14?

Yeah.

Okay. Were you in COVID lockdown?

I was. Yeah.

Did it suck?

Yeah. Well, that was when I was a eighth grade and freshmen.

That fucking sucks.

You had to like be at home with your parents the whole time? Yeah. If I couldn't see my friends every day, it would just fucking suck. Yeah. So you got like, you were online a lot during lockdown. Yeah. Yeah. I was,

I was definitely on the internet probably 14 hours a day. Yeah. Yep. Video games, whatever. We don't talk about it enough, like culturally about how that sucked for kids. Yeah, I don't really think it was that bad for most people, not gonna lie, especially this generation. I think a lot of people just got to sit on their Xbox all day and not have to do any schoolwork. I don't really think that anyone was too upset

by the whole process.

But it probably made it harder to be socialized, right?

Well, I wasn't doing that anyway.

Were you a loader growing up?

Yeah.

Yeah. Your obsession prior to Luke's backseat was Nerf guns?

No, that was just one.

What was that all about?

That was one when I was like, you know, eight or nine years old. How many Nerf guns do you have? Not anymore.

Come on dude, you talk about it.

I said it one time but that's good research.

Yeah I know everything about you dog. Wait, did you get obsessed with things growing up? Was that like an aspect of your personality?

Yeah that was kind of the point I was trying to make.

What other things were you obsessed with?

I was pretty obsessed with like GTA 5, I would say.

Obviously, 5.

I rotted on that for hours a day, like minimum 10 hours every single day during COVID. Yeah. So, it'd just be that kind of stuff, just getting super hyper fixated. Yeah.

Random shit.

Yeah.

So.

I think that's pretty normal. Yeah video games for kids Yeah, I guess but just only playing one thing for

I've no idea. I play sports games because I'm cool. Okay. Yeah, FIFA 2k. Yeah, I wish I was that cool. I Don't trust the guy that doesn't like sports. honestly. You can't trust a guy that doesn't like sports. You can't trust a guy that doesn't, goes on seven dick appointments a week. Do you have seven dick appointments a week? That would suck. It's a lonely feeling actually being one of those guys.

What's that?

Nothing.

Bro, what are you guys, is your camera guy, are you roommates?

Yeah.

Yeah? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Where, Brickell? No, thank God.

Where do you live?

In Miami.

Um, just no comment, but not Brickell.

Oh, no, yeah, I don't want to dox, yeah.

I would say that Brickell is probably the worst place that you could possibly live if you're an influencer. You know?

Because it's all influencers. It's all want to be influencers You want to stop you for a street interview when you're trying to get a coffee? Yeah, like do one of those yeah, it's sucks. Yeah. Yeah, what's your would you would you let your girl? Get a train run. Yeah, that's what they all say, right? Yeah for for a million dollars I'm like, obviously I would let I do it for free. Yeah, I guess like, what's the genesis behind like, the boards? Did it grow out of like, incel and pua shit?

Like, is that right? Yeah. Did you, did you interact with that kind of shit?

That was before my time. That was kind of when I was like,

born was when it was like all conceptualized on the internet. So the genesis behind it was like, if you're involuntary celibate, you're like, I'm actually not gonna accept this, I'm gonna become a piece of ass, and then I'll get girls?

That was the idea behind it. It was more so like identifying. I think it was more so just identifying why people were in cel, and then it kinda transitioned to, okay, how can we fix this now? Have you ever been in love?

um That's a tough question

you know, I

Awesome. It's the ultimate honestly, it feels great Okay, but it feels crazy. It feels like you're taking crazy pills sometimes It's like what are we even doing? Mm-hmm. I Think you've been in love. I feel like you're capping. That's cap. I can see you on your face. Well I just said I don't know. You're a lover boy. You don't know. So you thought it could be love. I have no idea. Yeah. Do you think that your

your career is as complicated like having like a stable relationship? Oh yeah.

For sure. You had a girlfriend recently? Uh, yeah, and it was did it make it tough? Yeah, certainly. Yeah, it's kind of not really possible to do what I do just because of the hours like you know with all this kind of Production oriented stuff where you're kind of running a show. It's a little less time devotion than like the streams Like the streaming hours are beyond brutal.

And the shit that I do on stream isn't something that most girls would want to yeah, be a part of.

Yeah. Like hose like flurry. Yeah. From Brickle. Brickle style hose. Brickle hose. Trying to do street work. The worst of the worst. Do you ever worry that you'll be like

you'll get so hot that you'll be hotter than your girlfriend? Because you don't want to be hotter than your girlfriend.

Why?

Because it's like, what, you want to date? No, you don't.

It's like typically how it is in modern dating.

Not for me, not at all, dude.

She is an idiot. I can't believe she's she's gonna wake up one day. I mean like what the hell have I been? Well, yeah, I guess there is an aspect of Dating that is like courtship right like it's not sexy if someone is Pursuing you right like it's more sexy if you have a crush on somebody you want to like You know like be charming and get them to like you.

Right, and women are just outrageously hypergamous. What does that mean? It means that they're trying to date above their looks level to a ridiculous degree.

You gotta move to New York dude. You see some of the gargoyles with the 11s dude.

This is a different world. That's because there's a lot of people in New York who are like...

Gay, Gay guys.

Yeah.

I was gonna say money maxers, like, you know, finance...

Not even.

As a whole, right?

Yeah.

What is true about women is they are hypergamous, they're dating above their looks level, and if they're not, if they're better looking than the guy, it can 99% of the time be attributed to either money or status. They're way better looking. They've got some titties and asses. That's why I don't really understand when people give like you know anecdotes on breaking these rules when it's like yeah as a whole we're looking at a society here not you know where you able to get whether a chick was higher

than you. I don't know it's just just like, they like it kind of a little bit if we're like a little ugly sometimes.

No.

I think, yeah.

Bro, I'm just.

Well, you're also a millionaire status quo.

Billionaire, billionaire.

Billionaire.

Oh, wait.

I did see someone say, is that true?

Why did they say billionaire? What? Why do they say billionaire? Well, it's we did that then I'm a billionaire. I don't know. I was like, is that true? Yeah, I'm a billionaire do but uh, you know as a whole these rules are true and these are rules I don't think they're true. I think you're making up things. No, I don't think so I'm telling you dude, all my friends girlfriends are hotter than them

Are all your friends rich?

Stephen no, not at all. Back me up, Steven.

And that's another common cope is people just don't know how to properly rate individuals attractiveness because they'll score women a lot higher because it's like, yeah.

Because they're hot.

Exactly. But when you actually know the objective measurements, it doesn't become about sexual attraction It's about mathematics and you're able to be a lot more analytical with you know rating people, but what's sexy about math? Well, it's about figuring out attractiveness. I don't know the math on a pair of tits, you know Well, it's about it. It's about the faces and at the end of the day, yeah, you see a girl you think she's hot It's the same but we're just trying to identify why you know, why you have that subconscious? Instinct, you know, but why what makes a face good what makes a face bad?

That's the kind of stuff that I'm just explaining There you go

For them my whole life dude, even before I get bust, you know been whorny for them. Anyway let's not get carried away. Can you break it down for me? So what are these measurements and like how have they is it crowd sourced? Is it like the community is kind of determined like a. They do a lot

of surveys. PSL. It's called PSL. Yeah. Okay. So it comes from a bunch of different sources, you know, even something like the mid-face ratio Tracks back to ancient Greece, but a lot of it is, you know attractiveness surveys scientists determining what is the most ideal measurement right and you take all these measurements and you come up with a total facial harmony score and That kind of is able to be gauged

on how attractive someone is. There's other things that play a role, like phenotype, and if you were to extend it to just the full body and height and frame, things like that. So there's a lot that goes into it,

but it's all very objective.

And this is kind of something that's like the community has debated, and kind of something that's like the community has debated Kind of like it's not like that makes it sound like it's just a bunch of autists on forums kind of debating What on it? I know I'm just there's no like guru. There's no like Ross Jeffries. No, it's not like one guy's opinion. Yeah You know, it's all very well researched. Do you know Ross Jeffries is I don't he's like the first pickup artist guy in fit We were 15 my friend Tommy's like dude. I'm sick or not fucking I was like we all are dude We're in and he's like I downloaded these lectures from Kazaa of this guy Ross Jeffries, and I was like What like you're not gonna get pussy from lectures, and he fucked at school like three days later. literally at school. Literally, it was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

And then he started dating that girl and he saved her in his phone as bitch.

Bitch.

It was rude, quite rude. So just explain to me what the PSL kind of like, you know, layman's terms, cause I'm like not very smart, but like.

Well, PSL was three.

There's four categories?

Sorry? It's an eight point scale, right?

Right. Yeah.

So how is that determined? So that's just a different rating system that came from the community. And those are just, PSL is three, like, locusm oriented forums and, you know, like, pick a Bartist type things. So the idea behind it is that there's no such thing as a 10 and the highest rating was an eight.

Now it's kind of been skewed to match the decile scale so it's not completely what it was.

What's a decile scale?

Like out of 10.

Out of 10, oh yeah.

So people will kind of just try to like make it translatable when that was never really the intention. There was a reason there was no 9 and 10 included in the scale. You know? So that's kind of just what it comes down to.

What are the three categories?

The three categories?

You said there were three standards.

No, it's just three forums that PSL stands for.

What does it stand for?

Pickup Artist Hate, Slut Hate, and Lookism.

Slut hate?

Yeah.

What do they say?

Just fuck girls.

Well, that's what the forum was called.

Who was on the boards? Was it like kids your age?

Now it is. Yeah, now it's often people who are a little bit younger.

Yeah.

Are there girls on there?

Sometimes there'll be girls who try to like larp their way into the community. When it's meant to be a male dominated space, or just like a male space in general, because women have just an exponentially easier time living life and sort of getting away with whatever the fuck they want.

So, you know, you give them like this whole looks max avenue now to make things even easier. It's just, I don't know, mix the playing board.

But haven't they, they've been look maxing for a long time. Yeah, but not make a properly, not properly.

Yeah.

So wait, there's correct me if I'm wrong. There's Normie for guys, right? Low tier, mid tier, high tier normie. And then there's Chad, turbo Chad, giga Chad. Chad light Chad.

Chad light.

What are you?

I don't rate myself.

We're like giga, no?

Yeah, sure. We're like giga, yeah.

People don't understand what it's like for us to be. It's true. Yeah, is your philosophy that like, one can make themselves into Chad if they want?

No.

So genetics are gonna play a huge role in everything and what's able to be accomplished, but you know, anyone can improve their lucks to a pretty significant degree if they're willing to do sort of whatever it takes and go with that mentality. But obviously your base, where you start out, is going to determine a lot.

You might look smacks your entire life, do everything properly, but if you're someone who just does not have the genetic base to allow for you to be a Chad or anything, you might be a little disappointed.

Yeah.

How do you conceive of yourself prior to going on this transformation? Like, what do you think of that kid?

No, I'd say it's like a very linear process to Lux Maxx. It's not like a, you know, where you leave your cocoon or whatever, like a butterfly or some sort of metamorphosis. It's very slow and steady, so I don't really think you change your view on anything.

Had you not looked max, you think you'd still be a hot guy? You probably would, no?

I would say that, you know, obviously your genetics are gonna play the biggest role in everything. But you have it, right? I don't think I would be as good looking, no.

Not as, but like you'd still be a hot guy.

Uh, I don't know.

But not as hot.

I, it really is hard to pinpoint exactly how much, you know, some of the different interventions would have played a role or you know where I would have got to I know you said you wanted to get double job And you're not gonna do it now. What's I still want to do it, but there's just been a lot of what is it? I'm just advances your upper maxilla and your lower mandible You just get your mouth is like it like print out. Oh, yeah. Yeah with the turkey. You're gonna turkey Yeah, there's just a lot of complications with travel right now that I'm not gonna get into you're on the no fly list

No, no Nothing like that. Yeah We got to go to Turkey. Yeah. Yeah again. I get rhinoplasty. There you go. Actually. I like my nose

I used to not like it. Okay.

I like it.

The other thing was leg breaking.

Yeah, that was kind of just like a thought experiment. I think people didn't really understand what I was getting at was the reason I was talking about sort of the limb lengthening stuff was just about ROI. And then I kind of started popping off in another area which was social media, status,

money. And I realized that the ROI was not worth it anymore in terms of ascending my SMV, I was able to just leverage something else.

Yeah, how tall are you now, 6'2"?

Yeah, so that's the goal at the end of the day is to maximize SMV. And if you could do so through other areas, go for it.

Yeah, that's true.

But at the end of the day, that's gonna be incredibly difficult for someone to have the status ascension I did right where it makes it comparable

Can I ask you a question? Is it like looks maxi a means of like avoiding? Like it's called gesturing but like just like a chat chatting like or like flirting With girls if you're like so hot you don't have to talk to them

Yeah, it certainly makes it easier to be a dominoes.

To not talk to girls.

Yep.

Also, just about when I was like 16, like just being so afraid if a girl doesn't want to kiss me back. Like just like wanting to kiss a chick, and like how nauseating you feel at that age. And like had that been post me too,

it probably would have been even scarier right I've never had to I'm just saying like does that make it scarier like does that make dating or like or gender relation like relating to women scarier for guys your age no me too I've never had any issues I'm not saying you got me too no no you're not listening to me I'm saying that it creates a fear Kids are having less sex now. That is true. Yeah, there's a lot of statistics about this Young men are I'm pretty sure two-thirds of young men 18 through 21

Haven't had sex in

Six months, so it's you know, it's quite brutal. Yeah, that's crazy

I guess like let's let's go into your fame.

It's been rapid.

Correct. What has it been like to become a famous person very quickly? I don't want to use the term famous, just kind of well-known, maybe infamous.

Famous, you're famous.

Say it, dude.

Say it with your chest. No. Yeah, say it, dude. Not yet, you're famous. Say it dude, say it with your chest.

No, not yet.

Hopefully one day.

But,

You'll get more famous.

But you're very famous.

I've kind of been doing social media for a little bit longer than people realize because I just started streaming and going super mainstream. But I had been posting and doing content for about a year now.

So, which I guess in the grand scheme of things for social media, that's still relatively short in terms of like career longevity. But yeah, so the live streaming started in about November, it was when it kind of took off. So yeah, it's been a quick rise from there,

but I don't know, I've been adapting.

What do you attribute it to?

Consistency, and it's just, it's new, it's fresh, it's content, you know, people are doing the same shit all the time on Twitch, you know, and no one gives a fuck anymore. It's the same streams, it's like video games, it's just boring, right, but.

I don't watch them exactly. Yeah. No, so in people are realizing that more and more so Everyone looks for what's new on the internet. Who's your fan base? Who's the squad? What do you have a name for the stands? No, not not really. What are they called?

clav gang

Yeah No, no real name. Really is it it's it's a lot of guys? It's a lot of young men?

Surprisingly, it's actually pretty split down the middle. Really?

Yeah.

I would say in terms of like my live stream viewership, it would be like mostly men, but I have a lot of female fans, like, you know. For being hot. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know

I don't know what exactly come on, bro. You're you have a SMV. That's why the bitches wanna come on

Yeah

I don't know

I think it's just from from tick-tock like would be most of the female audience like they're not really interacting with these girls

right here

Yeah, maybe yeah tick-tock probably wait I felt bad for you when I saw that clip of the Orlando Asian kid that what up mommy no I got

you man man yeah no worries Debra we've been on your ass since the moment you were streaming since November oh hell yeah Good stuff. You think we take a stream photo? Yeah, let's do it man I bet find the head of three Three two one

That kid stopped sucked

Oh, man, that is so annoying when like I'll be just trying to talk to girls and in the bar or whatever but you know people want to spam a million photos and it's like I get it and I like all the fans, but if you're dropping game on like a chick IRL, like people will come up and kind of distract you or whatever.

Yeah, a little bit by accident, but you know.

How can you even call yourself the Orlando Asian mogger when that guy has clearly mogged no one in his entire life. He's a liar. He should call himself the Orlando Asian liar.

Yeah I'm not really sure if that was like a clip farmer or whatnot but yeah

yeah. Yeah I guess like I get when I found out about you it's like I guess you've had like various controversial moments but like those have obviously for me as like a fucking middle-aged man Like those are the times that it gets on my like algo, right?

Yeah, do you is there a pressure there? I guess like to like controversy max most content creators Try to clip form what is clip form like just do stupid shit to go viral Well a lot of the times like yeah, I won't really be thinking too hard. It's just happens Yeah, the thing is all those clipping accounts that just went viral for that kind of shit None of those words are or anything that I even understand myself like it's just people making up random shit cuz they pay clippers based on Viewership, so they're just writing dumb shit and like they'll put

filters on your face. What words are they saying? Like jester gooning. It doesn't like really mean anything. Do you feel like that's making fun of you a little bit? Yeah I would say so. Yeah.

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What percentage do you think when you view society are Norby versus like Chad or like Becky versus Stacey?

Well, what percent of people are Chad?

Like when you view the world, yeah. You know, .1 maybe? versus Stacey? Well, what percent of people are Chad?

Like, what do you view the world?

Yeah.

You know, .1 maybe?

.1, yeah.

Do you feel like you occupy that percentage?

No, I don't really like to try to categorize my looks. I just wanna look better.

Yeah.

That's the message.

You aspire to look, to do more looks, Max?

Yeah, like, I don't really think the whole rating thing, for some reason people are goddamn obsessed with figuring out the rating, ask me for a rating. But dude, just look better. That's all you need to worry about.

When you look in the mirror, do you see the imperfections that you want to correct?

Yeah, but it's not like one of those, um, body dysmorphia type of, you know, reactions where I'm just like, I can't even leave the house because I like, you know, my mid-face ratio is off by like one millimeter type thing. And there are people like that. You look good, dude. You're fine. There are people like that. I know what's sub- Look at these girls.

They're sliding out of their chairs right now.

So I know what's suboptimal about my face, but I don't really let it occupy. What is suboptimal about your face? Well, obviously there's plenty of things, right?

Dude, you're fired. Plenty of things? What are you talking about, dude?

Well, just being like what am I that I should kill myself? What do you like you lose suboptimal you you look incredible almost no one has look at Superman or so Well, almost no one has a completely perfect face according to science, right? So you could find things that are flaws on anyone but you know, some of them will be minor and some people will be Extremely deformed so it's just just like, the whole thing's a spectrum. But I don't really think about it too much.

So I guess, what do you do day to day?

What's your kind of routine?

A lot of it is pharmacology, right? Pharmacology, like drugs.

Yeah, yeah.

So what that would kind of look like is, I don't like the endocrine system, which is like your natural testosterone production, because just in a modern society, there are so many things that are meant to disrupt this process. So my entire mentality is just don't try to fight it with doing these stupid carnivore diets and wearing like this cotton clothes. It's like, just get off the entire thing and use exogenous

hormones. So that's the first thing that I do is testosterone. What is that like a syringe? Yeah, so that's one. The next thing is going to be a GLP-1 agonist. What is that? So I use something similar to ozempic called retitrutide and that's a peptide that basically suppresses my appetite, making it difficult to eat. I really think about food too much.

And because being lean is about 70% of what you could accomplish in terms of looks, maximum.

Yeah, really?

And then the next thing is, you know, hair loss. Because two thirds of men by 21 years old are experiencing some form of male pattern baldness. So avoiding that is really going to be something that's crucial to maintaining those looks.

I agree.

So taking what's called a five alpha reductase inhibitor, testosterone converts into dihydrotestosterone through this one enzyme in your body. So you're blocking that process because DHT is going to be a huge problem for your hair. Causes hair follicle miniaturization.

Would you rather lose your hair or your dick? Because I would say dick, personally.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, fucking, I would look terrible without hair.

I'd look sick. Exactly. But if you go bald, you could go jacked. You could go Bruce Willis kind of. No that just makes you look like one of those cringe red pill jesters. I think those I think they're jesters too. Yeah I kind of just like to refer back to the quote like hair is life and if you have no hair you have no life. Confucius. No that's actually Saint Hamoudi. Who's Saint Hamoudi? st. Moody just some autists from like the black pill space

He's not from the Bible. No, no, okay Yeah, and then you do so you do like the finesteride or whatever something similar Okay, do you test or is the T makes it makes you go bald faster? Yeah, that gives you acne The testosterone and its byproduct. Yeah, the hydro testosterone. Yeah. So you just do those three things? No, I mean, we'll we'll be sitting here for a little while if we go through the whole. Yeah. Why didn't you go to medical school? Well, I got kicked out of school. Yeah, but whatever. We'll get you

back in. I don't want to be a Jewish brother, but you should go to medical school. That's a horrible idea. Why? You know all this crap. You could help people doing medical school. I would never go back to school. I'm already doing good enough on social media where I can't even think about the word school in a serious context. You could be a doctor. It's a good job. No, doctors...

But you know all this stuff. Do doctors agree with the stuff you're saying right now?

Doctors are crook. I'm telling you, listen to this. These people are literally going to school for 10 years accumulating a retarded amount of debt.

Retarded, yeah.

Just to make, like, you know, a wage that's not really going to elevate you to a position where you could beat any looks disparity.

So it just doesn't really make sense to me. Yeah, but your mom just tells the daughter, like you're fine as a doctor.

If you're gonna take out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of loans, you might as well invest it into surgery rather than going to school. What if you could be a plastic surgeon? And by the way, you can actually get college loans

and use it for surgery. So this is a method. So I've been telling people, yeah, you can literally do that. So just misappropriating the funds, it's really not going to get you in that much trouble. And you'll mog, so you'll be able to sort of get out of it.

Okay, let's do a rapid fire questions. Okay, it'll be fun. You were interviewed by Michael Knowles.

What do you think of that guy? I thought he was very nice. Okay, everyone I Mugged I'm all when he came on here. He's a nice guy. Whatever. He has nice. He just tells trans people They should be eradicated. He's really nice. Yeah, so that's why I just like I don't like to think about politics Cuz these people get into these manic headspaces over nonsense. I'm just like losers dude. Why yeah, I have Paul politicians on they're fucking which ones their gestures Yeah, I had uh, I had the mayor Zoran. Have you heard of him? No, he's fine

He's pretty far Zoran Zoran I've never heard of the guy. He's sick. He's the New York mayor. Oh shit. Yeah. I'm so far removed. Yeah

Fuck man. He's a he's a he's the New York mayor. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah. I'm so far removed, I can't give a fuck, man.

He's got a high sexual market value. Do you jester when you're chilling with your boys? Do you guys, can you jester with guys? Can you just not jester with girls? Is it okay to jester with fellows?

Dude, honestly, it's okay to jester regardless.

Oh my God, thank you. When I read that gesturing was cope, it forced me to look in the mirror when I was learning.

It's just like about, you just have to be kind of conscious of the fact that you're gesturing. That's like the main distinction that needs to be made because some people will gesture and genuinely think it's like game or the right approach. But like if you just want to be silly and fuck around,

like that's perfectly fine. It's fun to make a girl laugh at a joke though. It's fun Yeah, but it's like that's not really gesture maxing though. Just maxing would be like juggling. Yeah that or just like maybe Self-deprecating humor would be like one thing Yeah, that's like a very gesture max thing to do

What do you do for fun? What's like what's

Dude, I'm gonna be honest. I don't do anything besides stream

Come on, bro You gotta have fun

You gotta put yeah on with the boys and make jokes about it because it's a bad movie. No. Just try it out. Yo, where's the camera guy? Just please, just promise me you'll do that with him.

We can try.

Yeah, fuck no.

Why fuck no, dude?

I would rather, the way I think about it is like when I'm doing anything off camera that's like an activity, I'm like I could be streaming this getting paid right now. Oh Come on, dude. You can't just make you know how this you separate a little bit thing about it, right? there's literally people who do shit like mini golf and bowling and like Go and hang out with like go to dinner dates with girls Off-screen, they're not getting paid

Yeah

Like dude, doesn't that fuck with you a little bit like there's people who actually do you think that that's what people are

primarily doing or

You make dinner with your girl. You put on a girl show me bro. You do faith No, I don't I don't know I want to I actually like what a private life I had to learn that did I want my fucking hourly streaming. Here's the thing. I think that people are a little, when I look at social media,

I think like people are kind of ignoring the fact that you're 20, right?

Yeah, I would say that pretty much every content creator has seemingly got like this treatment for immaturity or like, you know, people excuse bad behaviors, but that's never been applied to me whatsoever.

Why?

I don't know. Maybe it's because I just come across as like more mature and when I do like these long-form like podcasts a lot of the time so people don't realize my age a lot of the times and I'm also like a figure of authority and in the looks maxing space. Yeah, so they're like, okay Well, we're not gonna give you an easy out on this one, but it's fine. I don't really you know complain about it What aspects of life would you not stream like taking a shit?

You would yeah, yeah shower getting pussy fucking Well, I mean have you streamed getting having sex? You can't do that like actually put it on the camera, but I've done it like with the mic on.

Really?

Wait, you were rocking her? What's it like for a girl having sex with you?

Like one minute and then you have to go to a clinic a few days later.

You hit it quick?

Yeah bro, I gotta get back to work. I'm a busy guy.

You're such a legend, it's crazy. You're such a legend. Why are girls more flattered about premature ejaculations? If a girl prematurely ejaculated, I'd be like, I'm the best at sex.

What?

A girl should be like, wow, I was incredible today.

Dude, it's about my time. It's not about.

Oh, so you make yourself bust really fast.

Yeah, bro, I'm not here to flatter anyone.

So then just jack it off.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, dude. I love down people about this one

What is it?

So basically you got to sit on your hand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say

Have you ever done the Tennessee pile driver? I Kind of want to know what is it? It's your your stooping on a wall and it's the force is so big that you smash through

the wall. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Have you ever done the Darwin?

The Darwin? Maybe by accident.

You put your soft dick in a girl's mouth and then it evolves.

Yeah, I've done that one.

Yeah, yeah. That's a fun one.

So do you feel like a fear or like an anxiety about staying on top? Like, I asked you this earlier, but are people coming for your spot ever?

No, I mean like there's making good content is kind of like the goal at the end of the day and I think I'm pretty captivating based on what's been happening with the numbers So I'm just gonna continue continue that, continue being myself.

What about Marlon? Who's this Marlon?

I've seen him.

Another streamer?

Yeah, yeah.

But he's a hot guy too?

I don't know.

It's up to you, man.

I don't fucking look at guys. I don't do the math on guys hot. Who's the hottest girl?

The hottest girl? The hottest girl? Ever. Ever.

And we're going to go around the room.

Get ready.

You go first.

I don't know.

Denise Richards, that James Bond movie, Dr. Christmas Jones.

What, the old James Bond stuff?

Yeah, with Pierce Brosnan. She was an 11.

Or the movie Wild Things.

Model. The thing about that question is I'll kind of flip-flop on the movie wild things model. Yeah, the thing about that question is like I'll kind of flip-flop on the answer a little bit who's a sweetie. You think is number one I think that bitch looks like shit. Really? I saw that clip. Were you saying she looks like crap? Yeah So you baited me to say that she got big Have you seen the things? Yeah. Yeah kind of awesome. No. Yeah, but it's just hard to get over that face Come on pause and she's gonna be shooting your head off about some like political issue

You think Sydney sweetie is political? People want her to be they want her to be they want you to be too. No, bro. It's fucking retarded

Why do people attribute look- maxing to being right wing?

They just don't know what it is man. So they're kind of, you know, scrambling to figure out what I'm about and because it's a whole new thing. Yeah, because you're on forums, you sayday basis, so yeah, it's not necessarily political at all It's just looks at self-improvement. Who's the hottest chick dude. Just come on. Just tell me Hottest chick I think Taylor Hill's pretty good. Just a model. Yeah, right run a pic

Yeah Come on I think Taylor Hill's pretty good. Just the model. Who's that? Run a pic. Let me see.

Come on.

She's fire. And you guys think that Matt Bonner is the hottest guy?

I said the highest in terms of the objective harmony ratios.

From the Spurs? The redhead guy? The three-point shooter?

Matt Bonner?

Let's see.

Let's check.

She's hot. Let me see.

Do you take that down or no?

No, man, not yet.

Just say what up to her.

Just DM her or something.

Couple more fashion shows, maybe.

Really? She's a fashion model?

Yeah.

Just say hi or something. Dude, that's the thing you know you should do respond to a story and say damn, bro She's perf and then she'll say question mark and you'll be like I meant to send that to my friend

Dude, she descended that's what jesters do she descended since since that photo so she ended she's dead descended

Descended yeah like looks worse. I gotta show you some shit. There's a whole wide world out there outside of male beauty

Keep this you're gonna love it. Those are nice headphones, too I gotta show you some shit dude. There's a whole wide world out there outside of male beauty. Peep this dude, you're gonna love it. Those are nice headphones too. Check those out. You know this track? Put them on dude or you don't wanna mess up your hair?

Not really my style. Come on dude. Can I play you, I'll play you another track. Not really your style, you're an idiot.

Okay, uh, this song will change your life.

Yeah, Garden State dude.

She says this song will change your life and it does. Does your boy know these songs?

What?

The Karma Police?

Yeah.

From Invincible? From What? The Karma Police?

Yeah.

From Invincible?

From what?

The show?

What's Invincible?

Oh, you don't know it?

It's an animated show.

No, I don't watch cartoons, bro.

What the fuck, man?

You don't fuck with this?

No, no.

All right, you want to hear a song that I wrote tell me if this is good. Yeah, maybe be honest Yeah, be honest on honestly, okay

When you're weary

Feeling small

Little slow keep listening to wait for the hook

Can I ask you another question, what's your favorite animal? Like a bridge over troubled water.

Can I ask you another question? What's your favorite animal?

Dog?

Yeah.

Me too.

I have a dog.

Me too. What kind of dog?

I don't know. I have Pitbull. I hate when people ask me that question. Like, they think it's weird if you don't know what kind of dog you have. Dude, look at my dog.

And that's another just like, that's what Normie's interacting.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah.

What do you think?

I got her from the street.

Normie's interacting is always so silly to me, because they're like normal people. Yeah, I can't stand it. Because they run into each other, is they go mini golf? Yeah? Answer so yeah, and I never

Wait, let me see your dog. Then just be a normie for a second just be normal. Maybe for a second dude All right, your dog looks at you. That's your best friend

I

Is that what they say? I don't know. Who's your best friend this guy in the back?

He fucked ten girls and he said low double-digit

Yeah, I can't even find it

Like where do you rank? Male beauty and like the kind of scale of what's important like the highest like higher than like a like Kindness or something? Yeah, really what why is that?

well, because these things are going to be perceived according to the physical right so like all the intangible things like, you know being kind or You know being funny. Yeah, that's all going to be haloed by your attractiveness. So, there's no point in really valuing them as separate things when they're all kind of interconnected.

Well, like Mother Teresa, she was a looker, but she's famous for her kindness, right? Like, she didn't need a baseline attractiveness. She was kind, right? Like, you know.

Well, nobody gives a shit about Mother Teresa, I'm gonna be honest with you. People do. No, people, she's famous, yeah. Yeah, but like, I think people are probably gonna care more about someone in Hollywood like a Brad Pitt figure than they would Mother Teresa.

For, cause he's hotter than her?

He probably mugs, yeah.

He mugs, he would mug her, that's for sure.

Yeah.

Since you've maximized your attractiveness, right? The things that I've seen, like I found out about you from, are like, things like the car, the thing last week in Arizona, like those kind of things I guess Have those do you perceive those as complicated your life like you know like so it's just like is the formula of like

Maximizing your attractiveness to make everything better. Does that necessarily maybe does that complicate it?

well, I Just have an interesting Status I guess you could say where I'm like an infamous figure.

Yeah.

So, you know, where there's a lot of love, and I would say that's 99% of interactions, those aren't the ones that are going viral in headlines as someone dickhead who is a hater and wants to, you know, do some dumbass shit Yeah, you know what I mean? So that's just what goes viral but that's not the reality of the situation Yeah, the reality of the situation is You know, I've been talking about

Men's issues and kind of identifying with that and no one's been a spokesperson for you know this the struggle In any meaningful way, I would say there's a lot of you're the first and no one's been a spokesperson for the struggle in any meaningful way, I would say. There's a lot of-

You're the first.

Well, there's just a lot of disinformation, I guess, would be the way you could put it. Or there's sort of a key element that's always been missing from the manosphere and the red pill space, which was that looks are an extremely important thing

and they shouldn't be ignored So I think young men Like feel kind of understood by my message like, you know by me What resonates you think with you? Well because I understand it right? It's it's not like I Have my head super big because I'm famous it's like I Kind of blew up on social media not that long ago. So I was right there in the struggle Yeah, you know, I was still working a normal job less than a year ago wage cook. Yeah, I was wage cooking

Yeah, what was your last job? Working at a restaurant. Yeah, if you're you're close with your sister, right?

mm-hmm, if someone told her with your sister, right? Mm-hmm if

someone told her that she was low to your Becky or

Subhuman whatever like would you want to beat their ass?

Well, that'd be like sort of a cortisol spike

So the expectation for you to do some dumbass shit and like get into fights all the time I think it's just a culture that definitely needs to be added like I'm high class and I don't do shit like that.

In the same sense as Michael Dole's fixating on trans people's lives, like what is the merit of telling someone that they are nasty?

Well yeah, I guess, And I would not really do that unless someone were to be a dickhead to me first. And I think any of the clips where it's just like me talking to someone in a disrespectful manner, they always cut out the previous part of the interaction where they would just come up and start acting crazy.

Like I'm not...

I imagine so.

Yeah, it's not like I'm going up to people and being like, oh you're a fucking subhuman.

I saw a clip where a girl was like trying to flirt with you. She was like, why did you come say hi? You're like, cause your fucking cheeks look like shit or something. No, no. You said her, her mandicular was crappy or something. Be nice to girls, dude, at least.

You should be nice to girls. I would say I'm... They're girls, dude. There's a lot of clips of this, but pretty much every single checkup man person was like, wow, you're actually a lot nicer.

I think as a thesis, the concept that life is exponentially better for people that are good looking is the most obvious thing in the world and you're just articulating that. And I don't, to me that just makes sense, right? And that's been what's benefited us in life. That's why we've just, everyone's like, it's fine.

It's annoying sometimes, right? Just girls are like this every time I, you know, publicly masturbating. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But beyond that, what I'm saying is that like, I guess when I was younger,

getting obsessed with something was something that losers did. Like cool people and hot people could just be normal, right? And that's the fascinating thing about this, is like it was never a cool thing to be obsessed with anything.

And I think that that's what I'm trying to grapple with.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I would not really say that looksmaxing is cool. I would say that it's something only-

But you're the coolest guy. You're the biggest streamer.

Well, I mean, it's more just that there's a lot more sides of the internet now. And there's a lot, like, people are just looking for what's new, what's fresh.

Yeah.

Have you enjoyed this? Yeah, yeah, no, I- Dude, I think it's fascinating, and I really hope that I'm not condescending. No, I don't get any malicious vibe at all. You know, um, I would say You know, I'm not gonna lie. I already kind of forgot. It's fine Yeah, yeah, but it's thrilling to be around me and stuff right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm awesome, right absolutely

I feel the same way having me on. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same way, but I mean

also like also like Can you're braided right for yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you could call me by my my real name. It's here. Okay. Yeah, Muhammad Muhammad