David Moyes & Simon Jordan REACT to Everton's PSR BREACHES resulting in payment to Burnley!

If you're watching live on YouTube at the moment, you will see out in the Hudson.One of the many river boats out there.Of course, they go up and around the Statue of Liberty, which is less than a couple of miles from us here in this phenomenal base that we have live in Talksport.We're coming to you from the 50th floor of the World Trade Center.As I say, the Hudson River behind us.The setting is quite breathtaking.

It is coming up to 10 o 'clock in the morning here in New York, coming up to 3 o 'clock with you back home.And as I hinted and I said, we're going to be looking at stories that break and develop back home while we are out here for the duration of the World Cup.One such story, Simon, is that Everton have been ordered to pay Burnley £35 million in damages over the impact of them breaching the Premier League's financial rules.The case which Burnley were suing Everton over relates to the 21 -22 season when Everton were found to have broken PSR.And that season, of course, you'll remember, Burnley were relegated after finishing four points and two places behind Everton.So Burnley have won when it comes to cash in the pocket.

Burnley's compensation ruling versus Everton.How dangerous though a precedent, Simon, is being set for English football here?

Well, we've seen it before for different reasons.We saw West Ham.in, I think, 2006 or 2007.I think it might have been 2005, when West Ham stayed up and Sheffield United got relegated.Right.And West Ham got sued by Sheffield United for the fielding of Tavis and Mascherano as third -party -owned players that hadn't been declared properly.

And I remember it specifically because my manager, Neil Warnock, was a manager of Sheffield United, and Kevin McKay wanted him to give a witness statement in defence of the argument they were running, and they produced a private claim against him, and they paid out 20 million quid.circa 20, 25 million quid.Now some would say in this instance that inflation has been kind to Everton in terms of the amount and we've just seen a team that's been caught doing something in Southamptonhave been taken out of the world's richest game and potentially lost the opportunity for 250 million quid.My bigger question is not that, and because of how they've arrived at this figure, why Burnley went for 50 million quid and got 35 million, I can't answer that question because only the mechanics or the independent commission can answer that question.All I can say is what is the purpose of PSR?

This is the byproduct of PSR.So what we've done is created a wonderful little industry now outside of football, which is probably a more lucrative one, that we should all be lawyers.Because all the lawyers are sitting there now, sharpening their pencils, thinking how much money they've got and how much opportunities they can.Nick DiMarco is buying his next yacht on the back of these sort of opportunities.Because PSR's purpose, in my original perception, was to stabilise football and create outcomes where there was a fairness about it, and also to create some financial stability.What's it done?

It's just cemented the big clubs in the same position.It's denied the Newcastle's and Aston Villa's of the world an opportunity to unseat the Man City's and Chelsea's of the world because they haven't got the turnover and they're not likely to get there as a result of it.It's not stabilised the financial security of any football club.It's created a layer of off -the -field activity that has benefited nobody.What is its purpose?The Premier League was a wonderful, roaring success, one of the most investable propositions in the world.

Inward investment has now been denied.Businesses can't be built in the same way because they're being controlled.by some ridiculous obsession called PSR and we're now fining football clubs and it will continue and it will continue and it will continue.

The theme this morning in the US seems to be rules and rules are in place for a reason Simon.Incidentally Everton are appealing these decisions.Yeah but did they gain a sporting advantage by what they did?

Okay let me ask you a question.Who gained a more bigger sporting advantage?The 10 million pound stitch -up deal that Chelsea did to win a leagues by taking players like Eden Hazard and backhanding agents 5 million quid here and everywhere and finding themselves in a situation where they pay down the Premier League and do a nice cosy little deal for 10 million quid, or Burnley suing Everton for 35 million quid because they got relegated.All of these have cause and effect, all of them have a consequence attached to it.Or if Man City's guilty.Or if Man City's guilty, or what happens to Everton?

have opened a can of worms, and the big thing was, is PSR, put aside the argument of rules, and I understand your points.If PSR is supposed to have done something for football, would someone like to tell me what it's done?Besides open the door for lawyers to make an inordinate fortune and create mayhem and lack of inward investment in the world's most investable league.That's undeniable.

I agree with you, Simon, that's undeniable.Well, if you were Burnley, would you be suing Everton?Would you have sued them?

I don't know.It's not my nature to stand on the shoulders of giants.I don't feel that.I think if we'd have got relegated, we deserve to have got relegated.But that's easy for me to say without being in that situation.You're a commercial man. I'm a commercial man.

And I would have perhaps done what Steve Gibson did and rolled the dice, even though I might not have thought it was a serious.And I did do it with Dowey and sued him in court.And I did injunct Steve Bruce.So perhaps I would have got up my high horse and had something to say about it.

Right.Brad, interestingly, mentioned Manchester City.And of course, all eyes may yet again turn to the 115 charges and its ramifications.Funnily enough, when the chairman of Manchester City, Carl Dunne, Alma Baric, was asked about that just as recently as last week, those 115 charges, he flat batted it.Have a listen.

Let me be as consistent as I've always been.Until we have a ruling, can't say much.Once we have a ruling, believe me, Chris, we're going to have a wonderful sit down together, and I'll say everything I wanted to say for the last three years.

I wonder when that ever will be, Brad.I wonder when that ever might be, Simon, when we hear Khaldun al -Mubarak sitting down and addressing this over a period of time?

Well, we'll look forward to it, given the fact that Man City spent a lot of time trying to make sure that the press weren't able to go into any of the court hearings and hear some of the stuff.So we'll look forward to that candour when it comes on top.And, of course, if it comes on top to the adverse, we'll look forward to that candour.Of course, if it does come on top to the adverse to Man City, which we don't know, of course, we'll look forward to it.of things as to the reasons why it shouldn't.People will start building up conspiracy theories.

Is Guardiola left now?Because once upon a time, he said, if these charges were ever proven, I'm not going to manage this football club.I don't know.Maybe that's a conspiracy theory.

We'll see.We're coming up to 10 o 'clock here in the US of A in New York City.10 o 'clock in the morning, of course.Coming up to 3 o 'clock with you back home.Rob Edwards sacked by Wolves this morning.Interestingly, some of the players at Wolves not happy, Brad.

Wolves players, including you, signing Kieran Trippier, angry at the sacking of Rob Edwards.TalkSport understands.Several Molineux stars have reached out directly to Edwards and expressed their dismay.at the decision.I know what he'll think of that.

What do you think of it?Well, I mean, if you're Trippier, Rob Edwards was instrumental in getting you to sign at the club.I can understand his frustration.I can fully understand that and get that.Now, he'll also, Rob Edwards, will have had some players in the changing room that really liked him, especially the ones that were playing all the time, especially the ones he had a meeting with and said, we're going to retain you, we want to keep you here.So I can fully understand that.

As far as will it last for longer than a week or two, I mean, then it'll go away and the players will have to preseason and perform.

It's flying in, isn't it?As we knew it would, 10 o 'clock in the morning here in New York, 3 o 'clock with you back home.In the final hour, we're going to be hearing from, amongst others, Everton boss David Moyes and renowned chef Gordon Ramsay.Who does he support, Scotland or England?You'll find out.Stay with us.

Mr Friedel has been with us for the first time this morning.You're going to be hearing from him throughout the tournament and you're going to be hearing from this fellow who's back home at this time, Everton manager and talk sport World Cup pundit David Moyes.will be joining us on the show and he does just that this very day it's good afternoonto you back home, David.Good morning from us.How are you?

I'm very good, thank you.I've just returned back from America, so I know what it's like.You look as if you're all in good form.

We are indeed, David.We're kind of bedding in here in New York.By God, it's hot.I don't know how you found it.It's going to go up to 34 degrees later on this afternoon.Simon and Brad are eager to speak to you.

What are your feelings ahead of the World Cup, David?Is it indeed going to be the greatest show ever?

I hope so.I think that every time there's a World Cup, we always take so much from it.whether it be the performances, the tactics, the brilliant players who've played in World Cups over many years.So I always think we're always looking forward.It's always really exciting.And I think this one's no different.

I think we're all really looking forward to see how it works being in different countries.Big Operation FIFA put in place.So let's hope that everything goes well.

David, you've got a couple of fans back here.I said to Simon, you were coming on, I love Moisey, and Brad Friedel tells me that you are indeed a great chap.Here is Brad.

Hi, Brad, how are you doing?

Yeah, really good, David, how are you?

I'm all good, thank you.

Who's going to do better in this World Cup, Scotland or England, David?

Oh, ho, ho!OK, Brad, come on, stupid question, right away, Brad.

So, hey, I'm doing co -coms on two of Scotland's games, Haiti and Morocco.

Very good.Very good, good.

So, David, you didn't answer it.Who is going to do better?Who's going to go further?He deflected.

Well, look, we've got the hope as Scotsmen that we do the country proud and I think that Steve Clarke and the team have done a great job.But really, what happens now is what counts.They look as if they've got off to a pretty good start to the...Well, not to the start of the competition, but the start of the preparation.As of England,in similar ways, but for Scotland I think that getting off to a good start in the first game is hugely important against Haiti and hopefully we can get the points.

I think England are going to be powerful and well prepared for the competition.It'll be interesting to see, but hopefully Scotland do better, Jim, as you would expect the answer from me.

Good man, David.

What does success look like, David, for both England and Scotland?Obviously people will say Scotland getting out of the group, but is it just stopping at getting out of the group and getting knocked down to 32s is going to be good enough?What does success look like in real terms for both Scotland and England?

Well, Simon, for Scotland, because we've never qualified further than being in the group, I think getting out of the group would sound a pretty good sort of answer for Scotland.I mean, I really do hope that we can do better than that.I hope we can do better than that and I hope we can get further than just out of the group.But I think realistically, we've got to hope that we can do that first and foremost because we don't think we've done it before, getting out.So that would be a big bonus for us.I think England's different.

I think England are up there with the top four or five teams in the world.If the draw goes for you, you get the right games, you perform well enough on the day, England could go as far as they have done in the past.I've got a big thing about the football getting played in the US.We played in the World Cup last year, the Premier League tournament.The conditions, the pitches were difficult for us.and I have to say that I think it might suit the South American teams much more than it will do the European teams.

I don't really see any South American team which frightens me as much as the likes of France or Spain might do in any one game.But generally I think England will be there or thereabouts.

And David, on England, where do you stand?on the Bellingham -Rogers number 10 debate?

Well, I think the manager's done a lot of really good things for England at the moment.I think he's picked a squad which probably gave punditry, gave people like yourself lots of chances to discuss it, some of his choices.But, you know, the manager's watched the players all year, watched them closely, and they're the ones who he thinks is right.So when it comes down to Rodgers or Bellingham, I think Bellingham's an incredible player.But he seems to think that Rodgers might be better for the team.That's the way it looks from a distance.

I'm not the manager.He sees it all better than I do.But I think that they'll all play a part.I think this World Cup, because of the extra games, conditions, I think that you're probably going to need...I'm going to use the word squad, who will play games.And I know that he came out and said that he was only going to use 14, 15 players as his main pick.

But I actually think that a lot of the countries this year might find that they use a lot more players than maybe they have done in the past.So, Bellingham and Rodgers could both play equal amount of football by the end of the tournament.I just think that if we start in the first game, I've just got a feeling it might be Rodgers who gets the nod.But as I said, Thomas Tuchel will know a lot better about his team's selection than I do.

And you've brought us beautifully to Thomas Tuchel.I mean, Brad, it is thought that Tuchel is here for one reason and one reason only.to get England over the line and win this thing?Do you think he will?You feel that this could be their time?

Yeah, I feel that this could be their time.I saw his press conference the other day and he said, we're not one of the favourites, we haven't lifted the trophy as a nation, England, in so many years.He knows he has the best number nine, he knows he has a good goalkeeper, he knows the spine of the team is excellent.I think it's about putting the pieces of the puzzle together and making, as Simon alluded to earlier, making the correct decisions off the pitch.the right decisions as the tournament goes along.Every team has to deal with the weather conditions in this tournament, every single one.

It's a matter of how they can recover after those really difficult games in the humidity.

As a manager yourself, David, and a top one, do you think the difference could be Tuchel as far as England winning it or not winning it are concerned here?Is he the guy to win it with them?

Well, I think he's really experienced and I think managers do, can make the difference.And I'm just using an example here, I don't think everybody is quite as frightened of Brazil as what we've been maybe in the past, but I think we'd be more frightened of the manager at Brazil because of what he's done in his career and what he can do with teams.So, I think Thomas has got a little bit of aura about him as well.I think he's gone about his job well.As we well know, if it doesn't work then you know how difficult it can be.Gareth done a great job for England, amazing what he's done over several tournaments.

I think every England supporter is hoping that Thomas Tuchel can take it a step further.

David, you're with us for the first time.It would be remiss of me not to ask you your reaction to yesterday's ruling, Everton told to pay Burnley £35 million in damages over the impact of them breaching the Premier League's financial rules.Is it fair, David, in your view, that you and the ownership are paying for the sins of the previous regime?

Well, first of all, as I say, Jimmy, I'm not up to all the situation exactly how it is and obviously the club are challenging it at the moment as well which is really important but uh look it's really disappointing uh i heard simon quickly they're saying i don't know if this opens a huge can of worms with other events as well you knowTeams who maybe not get promoted, for example, because the Premier League teams even having problems with PSR.I felt that we had paid our dues, if that's right, and we had done it already.But for this to come back to us, it feels like it's an individual case.I don't know if it's going to open up more things for other clubs to do something similar.It's just outside my sort of...

Does it...Will it affect you, David?I don't think how it works.

Will it affect you?I mean, obviously, you've come off the back of a pretty decent season, right?And rightly so, you should be given all the support that you can be given.Does that mean now that you're £35 million worse off than your transfer spend during the summer?

Well, they told me no, Simon.They told me that it wouldn't have any effect on it.And, look, I was aware of this probably maybe four or five weeks ago when it was happening, that this would be the case.But...I'm hoping that it doesn't because it's something which, you know, last season, as you rightly say, we had a good season except the last month or so when we sort of blew up and we were in a really, really strong position.So, if it's anything, I hope it's a message that, you know, at the Premier League, it's so difficult.

If you don't do well, you can find yourself in trouble again.We don't want to be back in those situations where we were in the past.My understanding is that the Freakians were aware of this when they were buying the club and there was a possibility this could happen.So, The answer to that, Simon, I really hope is that no, I hope it has no effect on what we're going to do in the summer.

David, looking forward to hearing from you throughout the World Cup and TalkSport's coverage.Delighted you're on board for that.We have got into this from a standing start this morning and I really do feel it could be a special tournament and I'm thrilled you're going to be a big part of it for TalkSport as will Brad and our show, of course, with Simon and myself.Looking forward to hearing you, my friend.Looking forward to hearing you in fine voice.And I think some great football ahead, David.

Really looking forward to it, Jim, and I'm sorry I couldn't be with you in New York today, but I hope to try and do so sometime.But if not, then I'll be out in the States in the next week or two and be a bit closer to the same timeline as yous.

Great, David.Just a word of advice.Don't say howdy y 'all in New York as I did earlier on this morning.Brad, pick me up on that.

No.

David, terrific.Thanks so much for joining us.David Moyes with us.Thank you, David.David Moyes with us live this lunchtime.And David will be live, as will Brad, as will myself, as will Simon, throughout the World Cup 2026 in the US of A. Stay with us.

A lot more to come as we head towards 4 o 'clock with you in the afternoon back in the UK, 11 o 'clock with us here in the United States.