De niño, mi familia me drogaba: a los 15 maté a mi abusador | El Cheque #Penitencia 146 #podcast

Penitentiary, through Fundación Reinserta, supports children in contact with violence. to be continued... At 5 years old, his parents left for the United States and he stayed at the mercy of his aunts, who beat him, drugged him so that he would't ask for food, so that he wouldn't feel hungry, and they taught him to survive in an environment where violence and drugs were the bread of every day. At 12 years old, he already consumed crack. At 15, he already stole public transport to eat. Today, at 47 years old sentence and multiple transfers between many

penalties, Ezequiel, who is called the check, tries to break the cycle. He makes cartoons that he sells for 100 pesos. He dreams of being transferred to a federal prison where he can live without fear and bet on his reinsertion. Today, he wants to be an example for hijas. Su historia nos confronta con preguntas necesarias. ¿Qué pasa cuando un niño crece rodeado de violencia y nadie interviene, nadie ve por él? ¿Hasta dónde somos responsables, corresponsables,

de los caminos que toman quienes nunca tuvieron opciones reales? Hoy, es el que él no busca justificar su pasado. Busca construir un futuro que le permita por primera vez respirar en paz. Today, Ezequiel does not seek to justify his past. He seeks to build a future that allows him to breathe in peace for the first time. Ezequiel, they call you Cheque. Why Cheque?

Because here in prison, Cheques are Chequeras. It is the mission for what they send you to do. Economically, because I don't have a visa. And it's like sometimes people support themselves from here, from these places.

So, for example, you are sent, I don't know...

In this prison, no, because that doesn't exist. But in other places, if they send me to the mission, they tell me to do this.

You have to do it.

I do it.

Why? Because... Right now, I don't. Before, yes, because I had a very strong addiction to drugs. To crack, to pills, to psychotropics, and to the active.

And it was what made me get more drugs. Sure.

And I ventured to do anything.

And the idea of that is with people who don't have anything to lose, right?

Because they already have very high sentences.

Yes.

And also... How do I explain it?

How is it?

Well, you have to do the mission because if you don't do it, they will throw the mission at you.

Ok. So they kill someone and then say that you killed him.

Yes. And if you don't do it, they send someone else to do it for you. Because you already know what you were going to do.

You don't get out of place. What makes you a Cheque? In prison. Or a pen, I think they call it.

What does it do? Why are there people who are Cheque and people who are not Czech? Do you say, I want to do this or are you assigned? No, it depends on your behavior here in jail. They see a lot of your way of being. Why not do that in any adventure?

And you imagine me because you already have a long career in jail.

Because I was in a juvenile coun center, then the correctional center, then the prison, then another prison, then another prison.

How many prisons have you been in in total?

I've been in four prisons, but in those four prisons I've been in and out of prison, I've had three times, and in the last one I was in and out of prison seven times. Seven times? Because of my behavior and the way I behaved in the institution. You're very violent. Your behavior is very violent. Because of the institution. You are very violent. Your behavior is very violent. Because of drugs?

Because I am addicted to drugs, that's why I do this.

Sure. Tell me, let's go back to the beginning. I see you have some scars. I imagine you were in the correctional facility in San Fernando or which one?

I was first in Children's Tutorial Council

in Obrero Mundial

in Chinacantepec, Toluca

Yes, in Toluca, in the fifth

In the fifth of the forest From there, they tell you that if you are there and to be recognized that you went to the Tutorial Council you have to be whipped

How is that, the whipping? For those who don't know.

Well, all the corrections and that we are in the consulates, it is an insignia that you were there. It's like an honor. Yes, like,

we would say, like a sign that you were there. Does it give you respect? Yes. In other places, you just come and see your scratch, and you're correcting it,

you're not messing with the fabric, because at least it's going to get into your hands. And there are people who don't. And you say, this is a magician, this is a tailor, this is a sweeper, this is a sweeper, this can clean this bone, like that. And if you just see the hands scratched or scarred,

they know you've been in the room. That you don't have things with you. Yes. And how do you do the scratches so that the scars stay? With a razor blade. Okay.

You pass it on like three or four times, but hard. And now it's a big, strong opening. And you have to infect, right? I imagine. You have to constantly remove the scab so that it doesn't dry up and the scar is big and thick.

You have several. Does it mean that every time... I was here in Tutelar and I been here in the prison and in the correctional facility of San Fernando. These three are from San Fernando. Why three and not four or two or one? Because I was three times in jail. For each time in jail, it is one...

I was one time in jail.

So, as a minor, you were one, two, three or five times?

Five times.

In the prison?

In the prison council.

For what crime?

First for theft of public transport. The first time I was 12 years old. Then for car theft. Then for car theft. And then for intercourse.

What does a 12-year-old boy do when he steals? Why did you decide to start?

I got hooked on drugs early on. I was a crack.

Tell me how you got hooked on drugs.

My family... To begin with, my mom and dad left me at a young age. They went to the United States, according to my mom, to...

According to her, to give you a better life.

According to her, to give you a better life. So she never sent a letter to answer.

Nothing? Nothing. You never knew?

How old were you when she left?

She left when I was five years old. And you never knew? Who did you stay with? With my other brothers. But my older sister was going to work at the Tabastos plant.

So they left you alone?

Uh-huh.

How old were your brothers?

I was the youngest, I was five years old. My sister was six, my other brother was seven. We went there constantly for a year. My sister was the oldest one who went to work at the central labastos. Here in Iztapalapa. And from there, we were on the street all day,

and one of my aunts picked us up and took us to the grandmother. And there with the grandmother, one of my aunts was very high, she was a drug addict, She was called Guillermina. She spent all day in her room, with her legs open. She didn't care if we saw her naked or something. She didn't care.

She was a drug addict. And then one of my brothers got lost. He was robbed when he was 8. I was 7.

Do you remember how he was robbed?

We went to a... to a lottery to exchange a ticket. They gave us a plastic bag. The aunt, who was a gold addict, said, come here, son, take the money and come here.

We went to the tortillería. I arrived at the tortillería, we brought a ball, kicking it. I told the tortillería, if you give me this money, give me the money.

I gave her the bag, she gave me the money, and when she turned to see my brother, he was gone. I just saw a truck start up. I ran to the house and told them, it's not that my brother was robbed, it was just a truck. Don't worry, your brother will be back.

Maybe he went with one of your neighbors. Because sometimes the neighbors would come to our house to stop us from eating, or to bathe us, to dress us from eating, or to bathe us, or to get dressed. They would say, come eat, and they would take us to their house, and bathe us.

But they didn't bathe you at your house, or dress you?

My grandmother, there was nothing to eat. My aunt was very drugged, she didn't care. My grandmother, whom we lived with, had pigs, and they would give her hard tortillas, and bolillos, of and I was going to the room to give it to my grandmother. And while I was going, there was a bread, there was a bad bite or hard, I grabbed it and kept it. Then my grandmother, they sent her this.

Don't say you grabbed anything, son. No, no, I didn't take anything, grandmother. And for a while, my grandmother went out to the yard and she saw me eating the bread. And she hit me. At that time, my aunt came and said...

But they didn't feed you?

No.

And where did they expect you to eat? Or they didn't care?

They didn't care. That's why we went out with the neighbors. We were with the neighbors from house to house, and they were inviting us. What, ma'am, do you want me to help you with something? Do you want me to throw the trash away. And she said,

give me an apple, give me a banana. She said, no, come here, so you can eat. And she fed us and ate us. Did all your siblings eat the same? No, one neighbor with one, another neighbor with another. Like that.

They thought my brother had gone with one of the neighbors. No, I don't know what happened to him.

What happened to him, what he did to him, I don't know. You have to mention his name. His name is Saul Elias Doria. And he was 8 years old when he disappeared. He disappeared in the first section of the Valle de Aragón. He was stuck in San Felipe de Jesús,

municipio de Nesahualcóyotl. Ni una ficha ahí por él? No, nada, nada, nada. Incluso la familia decía que no había tomado, no tenían fotos para poderle buscarlo. Por eso no hicieron nada, ni pusieron la demanda, ni nada.

A partir de ese momento, mi tía, una tía que estaba invalida en silla de ruedas, va y me recoge a la casa de mi abuela y dice, no, yo me voy a llevar a este muchacho porque si no se lo van a robar como a los otros, yo me lo voy a llevar a él. Y me llevan con mi tía, la de silla de ruedas, He was a good and drunk man. But he was driving a wheeled car and his husband abused and beat him.

He hit her in the street and threw her behind a car that people couldn't see, on the sidewalk. He got on the sidewalk and threw her off the sidewalk. What? What are you staring at?

What do you like? No, no, honey, I'm just looking at you. How not? And some kicks, boom, boom. I was so young, I didn't say anything. I grew up calmly.

I grew up. When I was at a certain age, I could kick his ass in the street because I was so close to my aunt, so I kicked his ass. And at a certain point, the man was drugging drugs in front of me, in front of my house.

My aunt was in the living room, and the man was smoking marijuana. I was eating in front of the newspaper, as if it were normal. That's why I started smoking marijuana and taking drugs at 12. Because it was normal for me. In the world I was developing, it seemed normal.

He smoked and gave you.

I mean, they almost smoked together.

Yes, I smoked next to him. He would turn off the cigarette and leave it there. He would stand there and if it would come out, I would grab it. But not in front of them. I would go out.

At a certain point, my family would tell me... Before that, with your aunt, who was dying, did you start dying, or not?

No, she gave us so that we wouldn't starve. She said that with her, we would get rid of our hunger with the money. She gave us our monatenic so that we wouldn't be hungry. At what age did they start giving you your mona? and I gave her our money so she wouldn't be hungry. How old were you when you started giving your money? About 12 years old.

About 10 or 12 years old. Or younger. About 10 or 12 years old, they started giving me money so I wouldn't be hungry. Your brothers too? My brothers too. That was when my aunt picked us up, she was called Ruedas.

She took me to living with her. But I started smoking pot, taking psychotropic drugs, what are the 8-8.

Since you were 12?

Since I was 12. And I started going out. I didn't get home until dawn, I didn't go out. For 13 years I didn't go out for 2 or 3 days. My aunt would go and look for the drug store. My aunt decided to start selling drugs at her house.

The drug store? The drug store. Why? So that I wouldn't be out. Because she was afraid that they would do something to me. Because, apart from drugs, you want to get the drugs anyway. If you have a neighbor, you steal them. If you have someone who comes to buy drugs, you want to get the drugs anyway. If you have a job, you steal it from the neighbor.

If you have a job, you steal it from the one who comes to buy drugs.

So her solution was, I'm going to sell drugs to give you drugs.

Uh-huh. It was her solution to have me in the house.

And she gave you away?

And she gave me. And she didn't sell it to me, she gave it to me. As long as I be at home.

You didn't go to school?

Yes, I did go to school.

To elementary school?

When my aunt picked me up at seven years old, she took me to elementary school.

At seven or twelve?

At seven. From seven to twelve I studied in elementary school. Before seven? Before seven. At seven, at 12, I went to elementary school.

Before seven?

Before seven.

You didn't study anything?

I didn't study. Kinder or something like that? No, only elementary school.

But you lived with your grandmother?

I lived with my aunt. My aunt picked me up when I was seven. Not at 12, what did you do at 12? Not at 12, sorry, at seven. So, how old were you when you got the monkey? My aunt? The other aunt.

About seven or eight years old. So that I wouldn't be hungry, I would tell her, son, I'm hungry, aunt, buy me a maruchan, some chicharrones. No, son, come here, with this medicine it will take away. And I would tell her, what is this? Smell it, son, with this is going to take your hunger away.

I started to grind and my hunger was gone. But in a while, my hand was running out, my plane was getting off, I was going out with the neighbors to order food. Or in the corner they were selling tacos. I said, sir, what sir?

I'll help you up the stand. Okay, man. From there, my aunt took me to live with her.

And you went to elementary school?

I went to elementary school. But in elementary school, also, since my aunt gave me, when I was a kid. That was normal for me, since I started to develop. I would go to the elementary school

and I would take a can of money to the bathroom. I was so excited that it was time for recess. Everyone would leave, and I wouldn hadn't even entered the classroom. With everything in my backpack, I was entering the school, straight into the bathroom. They were already leaving the classroom.

Here's a guy, here's that guy, teacher, here's that guy. He didn't come to school. No, yes, here he is, teacher, here he is, he's in the bathroom, who knows what's wrong, she's crying. But she was down there, because she was well drugged,

to like, to hit her. I imagine she was already addicted. Yes, and the teacher comes in and touches the bathroom. She comes out and says, what's wrong? No, it's just that my family is very strict at home. I'm afraid they'll come.

I was a liar. I started telling lies. But they said, come here. The teacher came out. They took me to the principal. You smell like high-stakes. What were you doing?

I was really taking drugs.

They were taking me to the high-stakes.

They started giving me psychological treatment. They took me to the school for psychological treatment. You were about 8 or 9 years old. About 8 or 9 years old. But until then, when I decided to apply to school, I applied because I even became part of the escort. I was in the fifth year, and in the sixth year I received the flag.

I was even there. I also developed well in sports. We won first place in soccer in elementary school. We went to an escort competition in the National Servant of the State of Mexico and we also the first place. But on the other hand, I was also good at being a troublemaker, a disaster.

And drugs, addiction. And drugs.

And then, since my family didn't tell me anything, it was normal for me. You were telling me that you were part of the escort. Why do you think you did well in school at that time? Because of the support you received? Why did you focus? Because the bodyguards are the ones who behave well,

the ones who get good grades.

The school motivated me for that. The teachers. The school motivated me to do my master's. They motivated me to behave well and to do my best at school. Even though they knew I didn't have my parents, because the ones who put me in school were my uncles and the ladies of Cied de Ruedas. And they said to the ladies,

how can you have a son who is in Cied de Ruedas? No, he's my nephew. His father and mother left him to me, and I'm have a child who is in a wheelchair? I said, no, it's my nephew. His father and mother left him to me and I'm raising him. And that's how the school knew, and the teachers, the principal, the neighbors of the school, they knew me. They knew my music and my story. And at that moment, I did apply myself a lot.

But on the other hand, I was overcome by...

The chaos.

The chaos. Why? Because my family was like that. For me, it was normal.

At 12 years old, you fell in the police station.

I fell for stealing public transport.

Who taught you to steal?

Or why did you decide to start stealing? Because my family took me to a place where they sold drugs. She sold there. I saw that they would arrive there, and there were drugs and drugs, to get off and steal the trucks or the taxis.

There, on... on R1, at the height of Las Vegas to Los Toc. The bakery Las Vegas to Los Toc, arriving near the outskirts and running the remedies. There, it is done a lot to steal the trucks and the buses.

So you went grabbing it. There I saw them, and for me it was like... I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid. I was a kid.

I was a kid.

I was a kid. I was a little boy and I had a tent. Every time I saw myself, I took off my sneakers, my belt, my jacket. And my aunt, how many sneakers did I buy you? You know, she took them off.

How did she take them off? You're such an idiot, son. If you come crying to me again, if you come without sneakers, I'll hit you for being an asshole. You're older than me, auntie.

Grab a fucking stick, a fucking rock, a fucking knife and defend yourself, you bastard. Don't let yourself go. Don't let me take it away from you. You're such an asshole. I told you, I'm not going to buy you anything. Those were the first times. They say that the street and the life hits are the ones that make you learn. It's like the school that hits you in the face.

The street. And a guy told me, it's the school that hits you the most. The street. It's a real hit. And I saw it like that.

For me it was normal. I was in a lot of trouble. I saw him like that. It was normal for me. I said, no, this guy is hitting me, but he's teaching me, he's putting me in a truce. But at a certain moment you start thinking, you say, no, you're crazy.

How do you think he's going to be hitting you? He's going to be teaching you. This guy is stealing from you, he's taking your things. I'm going to be in the house. I'm going to be in the house. I'm going to be in the house. I'm going to be in the house. I'm going to be in the house.

I'm going to be in the house. I'm going to be in the house. I said, quick, quick, I don't have anything, bro, take off your sneakers, because mine are already broken. And also your socks, because mine are also stinky. I have to take off your socks, come on. And at a certain point, I grew up and I got rid of that idea of being a snob, being spoiled with people,

because that's how they were with me. At 15 years old, I had already passed the guardianship, the children's guardianship, I was still taking drugs. And I left a guardian,

and this guy kept harassing me, he kept on... ching ching. And the time came when he got up, took out his knife, and went to another guy. I said, what's up?

He said, I'm going to hit you, I'm going to kill you. He said, let's hit him, between the two of us, tough guy.

You're going to kill him?

Yes. It wasn't my intention, he's going to bring us in debt. He brings me in debt too. Every time he sees me, he takes my money, my things and my drugs. He even took your drugs.

He brought the cash and he took it from you too. He wet a monkey, wet a monkey, I don't bring it. He brought it, it was disgusting, and he took it from me. He kept it. And he told me, if we're going to chop him, we're not going to chop him,

we're going to kill him, because if he stays alive, he's going to fit in with us, wherever he sees us. So that's where... And you killed him?

Yes, we killed him, and we threw him into a... into a drain, one of those that they a fucking... We raised our heads and we put the sewer, like at week, the smell and that.

The police came to get them. I had to move there to take a while because my family was scared and... and they were afraid they would catch me.

Did they know it was you? I told my aunt, because I was very they would take me. Did they know it was you?

I told my aunt, because I was already scared to go home. The first time you do that, you're scared, but then you don't feel fear, you don't feel pain, you don't feel anything when you kill someone. The first person, yes, but then you start to do something normal.

And also because this was very stained, it was very sticky too. And from there, I started to become more of a whore. More of a whore, more of a whore, more drugged, more aggressive. I would go up to steal the trucks I was a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man, a man When you want to terrorize someone, you allow them to threaten you

or want to threaten you for the same reason, that you don't scare them. You have to scare a person in order to get rid of them. That's why when I want to do something, I come with aggressiveness,

throwing kicks, kicks, trumps, to scare him, to terrorize him, so he wouldn't have the slightest idea that he was sick.

I have a question for you. You killed Ray, because somehow, in your head, the guy was stealing from you, taking your things away from you. What happened when you started doing it to people who hadn't done anything to you? What did you feel?

I felt a little relief because I said, I lived it. He's not going to live it any worse than I did. I had to go through all that to be who I am, and to have the respect I have. He's not going to have it out of nowhere. He has to live it too, and he has to suffer it like I do.

That was my thought.

How old are you, Cheke?

35. 35. And how long have you been in jail? Most of my life. Most of my life. I was just hanging out with a person for like three years.

As a kid, I was just hanging out with a person for like a year. Actually, I've been out for like five or six years. Everything else was here? Everything else and half of the internment. From being a guardian.

I had 17 addictions for the first time.

Who was addicting you?

My aunt. But it was because... Because I was a junkie, I was spoiled, and they wanted to fuck me over. It was to take care of you. To take care of me, I was taken to the Nexus, so that the problem would cool down a little.

And in a little while, I saw the way they were escaping me. And again to the Nexus, and again you, and 17 more Nexuses. Part of my life has always been locked up. Part of my life. Most of my life. Sometimes my boss tells me, my boss, the one who gave me life, the one who abandoned me.

Do you talk to her?

I talk to her now.

How did she reappear in your life?

She appeared when I was 15 years old.

How was she? Tell me.

She just left the nursing home and went to see me at home. I said, look, your mom is... Juan, cuéntame. and started throwing stones at us. He said, go home, I don't want you to follow me. I remember that picture well. And I remember it sometimes, I tell my mom, I remember you threw stones at me so we could go home. One of my sisters, when my mom went to look for her,

I said, daughter, I'm coming to look for you, I'm coming to get you back together'm coming to reunite you like my children. Now we are children, married with some stones, and I'm also going to throw stones at you, and I say, go away, like you ran us,

go away from here. I don't want to be here with you. And at one point I said, you know how bad my sister-in-law is, right? Well, she's my mom, whatever. She's my mom, no matter what. She's my mom. I said, no, but she's already stuck with us.

If she had given us a good education, if she hadn't abandoned us, we wouldn't be the way we are now. Or my brother wouldn't have been robbed. Or my other brother wouldn't have been in prison. How many brothers are there in total? I don't know. My sister lives in Chalco and the other in Cancun. But they are...

They are independent, they are calm, they are housewives. My sister, from Cancun, left for the money, because a person of an older age, as long as she had money, she was with him. And she is with him, she continues to live, stable, economically, well, she's fine.

And that's why she lives in Cancun. And she took my mom there.

To your biological mom?

Mm-hmm.

But you were telling me, you got there and they told you, your mom came to see you?

Your mom came and said she wants to see you. And I said, no, I don't want to see her. She said, don't be like that, she's your mother. I said, yes, let's go see her. I tried to take her with me again. Let's go to the house. No, I don't want to live with you.

Let's go over there, you're just getting high here. You're just a rat, they already told me that you did this, that you did the other. I don't want to go back to live with you. If you don't leave with me, forget that you have a mother. I don't want to go with you. She left.

I didn't see her again until later, when I was about 20 years old.

Come on.

She reappeared in my life again. It was when I was in a prison. She went to visit me in the prison. It was when I saw her appear in a prison. I went to visit her in the prison. I saw her again in the prison.

How is your relationship with her now?

Now it's better because... I see her as a friend. She is a big person. She is going down. I forgave her. Did you forgive her?

I don't care if she abandoned me. She's my mother. And at a certain point, she did it for a reason. Have you asked her why she did it? Yes, to offer us a better life, but I never did it.

And you've told him?

Because my mom is very explosive. If I tell her something, she'll be upset. And financially, she doesn't support me. And I don't ask her for anything either, because... It's the same thing, how long have you been in prison? And you're asking your family for money. You haven't learned to keep yourself in prison.

You haven't learned to serve yourself. And not just as a missionary, you have to do that, you have to make money. Because in this prison you can't, in other prisons you can't do missions. But where you can, I say, I'm going to be working on a three-day drawing. Because I get started doing a drawing with pure pen in three days, with pure pen, in its various colors, whether it's a Nikkei or a Mavs.

I like to draw a lot of caricaturism, but with pure pen. And I get started until three or four days to make a drawing.

And are you good or not?

Yes.

Yes, I'm good, I like it. I sell a drawing for 100 pesos. A drawing for 100 pesos. The drawing you want, the cartoon you want.

And did you learn in jail or did you learn outside?

I learned in a federal center.

Do you come from federal centers?

I come from federal centers. So, you were transferred seven times from jail because you were misbehaving, I imagine, because you were dedicated to killing people. And then they transferred you and bring you back? They would transfer me to a prison, then to another, I would arrive and... I also met a person who did some missions to put drugs in me inside the prison. Because at a certain point I was also very addicted to the prison, but I was very, very addicted. I got into crack a lot. I was addicted to crack. I was addicted to pills.

And there came a time when I said, I'm going to quit drugging. I don't want you, this person. You have two children and you have to send money to the streets. And I started to want my children. And suddenly, on the visit, I met this person.

I was going to see his brother, but I was on drugs. And I was in the corner of the club selling drugs. And the lady says, what? You don't buy? And I say, what? But the jacket opened and under the sob the jacket he had an egg of marijuana. I thought he was telling me not to buy it.

I said, how much? He said, give me $1,600. I said, is it that expensive? He said, what are you thinking?

So he thought he was prostituting you?

Yes. I said, why so expensive? And he said, what are you thinking? And I said, don't be a virgin. He said, come here, asshole. And I said, I'm talking to you about this.

And I said, sorry. And I went there. How much is it? He said, give me $1,600. $125 costs $800. $225 is a quarter.

8x8 equals $16. $1,600. He said, give me $1,400, $1,500 both. I said, I have $1,300 and the other week I'll give you the rest. He said, I don't trust you, you're going to steal, you're not going to give me anything.

I say, you know that every eight days I'm selling his motorcycle. Come, I'll give you yours. He says, I'm going to trust you, man. And the person, 50-something years old, that I met inside the prison, he says, go. I already gave him the money, he leaves me the drugs. I met him in prison. He said,

I'll give you the money, and you leave me the drugs. And every 8 days, I did business with her. There was no intermediary anymore, because I had an intermediary before.

I was given one by BASE. And that intermediary went to his office for his commission, and he sent me the most expensive drugs. And since I was already doing business with her personally, I already had to pay the price. And I already did the debase on the side, I already got along with the employee.

Then I made her my partner, she became my partner, we started a relationship. From there, we had a motin in 2000.

What penal are we talking about?

The Catepec, the Santa Maria Chiconautla. And the motin that was there, Durísimo? What about the riot that happened? There was a riot in 2017-16. They transferred me to Valle de Abravo. When I got to Valle de Abravo...

Did you have anything to do with that riot?

No.

It was a couple of days. They transferred me for a reason. No. They wanted to do the same thing they did here in El Bordo. And it was the mission to go down there, because they couldn't do it there. What they did here is here, and there is another show. And that's why they did that rally. I was transferred there in 2006 to Valle de Bravo. I arrived in Valle de Bravo, but...

the same thing, the person who came to see me keeps taking my marijuana. And if she's trying to get it for me, why shouldn't I try to sell it? And these people, the same inmates, you can't sell it, Sure. And these people, the same inmates,

you can't sell, you come here. And what about that? I come here to your jail, but I've been coming to jail since that time. How can I keep selling what's mine? I think we're going to go wrong,

however you want. And on the part of selling that merchandise, that's why I had several transfers, because the place where I arrived, I would go there to sell and I would get grumpy so they would let me sell.

From there they transferred me to the morgue, I was only there for about seven months in Valle de Bravo. Seven months. There was a row, there was a row also because they didn't want to let me sell drugs in the square. And when a person sells drugs, they have a lot of power.

Yes.

You have a lot of friends, a lot of people around you. I was seven months old and I was already controlling a module. Those people ganged up and separated all in groups, all those people behind me, just to sell drugs. Because I believed in the game. When I was armed,

I armed 50 marihuanas. 150. I'm going to lend 130. 20 to give away. And I would give away 20. To have people close.

To have people close to you to do anything.

To take care of you. What do you prefer, a state prison or a federal one?

Right now... Right now, because I already lived it, I already passed it, I've already walked it, I've already walked it. And there are many people who are sometimes waiting in another prison. I want a federal center.

Why?

There are no drugs there, there are no weapons. There are no power groups like here.

You don't have to be taking care of your life. You don't have to be taking care of your life at all. There are no more weapons. There are no power groups like here.

You don't have to be taking care of your life. You don't have to be taking care of your life at all. You live all the time locked up, 24 hours a day. And you prefer that? You don't want to take drugs anymore, you don't want to go out anymore? I want to be in a federal center.

Why? Why? Why don't you want that anymore?

After a lifetime? Because I want a better insertion for society and for myself. And to offer a good testimony to my children.

For your children?

What do your children have? One is three and the other is 14 years old. I want to see them see that I have changed. That everything I have lived taught me to change. And I am the person I am. Everything I was, what I did, what I didn't do,

it's all in the past. I want to go to a federal center. Are you capable of everything? To go to a federal center? Of everything, to take a person away from another person. To take a person's life? To take a person a federal hospital. Yes, it's unfair, but there's a tension in the way of the passive way.

And it's not there.

It's not there.

And it's not that, and it's not that. And if it's not in the last ones they send me, then I'll go to the other side and look for a way to get there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know this, I don't know that. And if it's not in the last ones they send me, I don't know, I'll look for the other possibility. Here, within the state,

you have to put together certain points so that you can become a candidate for a federal center. So, to behave badly, enough so that they send you to the federal center? Enough so that a judge center. So, to misbehave, enough to be sent to a federal center? Enough for a judge or prosecutor to say, this inmate needs security measures and needs a maximum security prison

that has the necessary structures to house a maximum security security like this person, since he has in his file punishments, and such and such, and such and such, and such and such.

But you've done enough, haven't you?

I already got out of that sentence. Right now I come with my record clean. Right now I come clean. I'm not going to be able to go up because I want to be here. I want to be in a federal center. Which federal center would you like to be in? In Cefueros, Sudos, Edocampo, Guanajuato. Guanajuato. Why that one? Because it's the only one.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I want to be here. I want to be in a federal center. What federal center would you like to be in? In Cefueroso 12, Ocampo, Guanajuato. Guanajuato. Why that one? That's not corrupt. The food is good.

It's a better food than in other prisons.

I wish that it is so and that you find inner peace in your life after everything you've lived. And I thank you very much for telling your story today. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

And I hope and I hope that the people and the authorities who are watching this report help me to get to a federal center and I don't have to use violence to get there and behave again like I behaved before to get back to that place, was before. I want to go back to that place.

To get to a place like that and have that behavior, you also have to suffer a lot. You have to suffer blows, humiliations, punishments. And that's what I don't want to go through anymore, because I've already been through it. I want to do it in a more passive way.

Why? And I want what? I don't want... I want to be more passive. Why? And what do I want? What is my goal in a federal center? I want a better service for my people, for society, for my family, for my children. I want a better service for my people, for society, for my family, for my children.

I hope so, Ezequiel. Thank you very much.