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🔴EKSKLUSIF! Ustadz Khalid Basalamah Klarifikasi Isu Korupsi Kuota Haji: Bongkar Data Pertama Kalinya

🔴EKSKLUSIF! Ustadz Khalid Basalamah Klarifikasi Isu Korupsi Kuota Haji: Bongkar Data Pertama Kalinya

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0:00

So, the impression is that people understand that I'm involved in the corruption.

0:05

Yes.

0:05

I just want to say to the investigators, when I first came, I want to apologize. I was suspected, or not, as a witness. Okay. That's the direct interviewee's speech. The second visit, I asked how many travels are planned to be inspected. Oh, there are many, around 400.

0:24

400 travels.

0:26

We'll give you a solution.

0:28

Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, Ustaz.

0:31

Waalaikumussalam.

0:32

Let's get straight to the point. Because the public already knows and is actually curious. And Alhamdulillah, hopefully this will be exclusive. Because I asked him to be here. I said, if possible, maybe we can clear everything. The answer is what is circulating is related to the call of a former Ustaz Khalid.

0:55

It was done by KPK, which was once popular about the city of Haji. It should be free, distributed to the congregation, which has been waiting for so many years, but in fact it was transacted. In quotation marks, sell and buy. This is the story. Khalid Basalamah was checked for almost 8 hours in the case of the city of Haji.

1:14

We are victims. This is interesting. There are words of victims here. Maybe Ustad can also state. Which side of the victim's words actually came out? Ustad became a victim.

1:27

Maybe we start like this, Ustad.

1:29

You guys also watch until the end. And pay attention, we don't want to be cut off or anything. The point is like this, Ustad. By calling Ustad to KPK, it means, why are you directly,

1:41

SET!

1:41

like that.

1:42

Directly face it. What does that mean? Are you sure that you are not wrong? Or what is it like?

1:52

Alhamdulillah. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank you, Akhderi and the team for the solution. We are sitting together to discuss this so that it is clear to the people. So it's not cut off. Because the media, when we left KPK, maybe it was according to each person's questions and wishes.

2:14

So maybe it should be arranged A, B, C, D. So A jumps to D, jumps to F. So it's halfway to the society. First, of course, as a Da'i, I'm in a position as a Da'i, and I understand the theory of religion. It's in Surah An-Nisa,

2:34

ayyul adzina amun wa atiullaha wa atiur rasul wa ulil amri minkum. O you who believe, it is not up to Allah, it is not up to the Messenger, and it is not up to your government. We are very sure, and our teachers have taught us, we have to obey the Wali Amr, as long as it is not a sin to Allah.

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2:49

So when we were asked by our friends from the KPK to come, I saw that this is the call of the Wali Amr. So it is a duty for me, both in religion and as a citizen. We have to show that we are good citizens. I might be a warning sign for some of the communists,

3:07

I won't say all of them. I have to set an example for them. This is how the state is. So we answered, and Alhamdulillah, we came. Aside from the fact that there are some framing in the media, which is spread in the media, in the society. So, the impression is that people will understand that I am involved in the corruption. Even though we are called as a witness.

3:34

So, there are two letters from the KPK, and they are all called as a witness.

3:37

Yes, the clothes are not even wearing clothes from the KPK. They are wearing free clothes in general.

3:43

So, it is more to the direction we follow the governor, the religious order, and also as a good citizen, we follow it. At the same time, because of this question, we need to straighten it out. There are 6 and some million coverage. At the time of the last session, before the 9th, a week ago, there was an invitation from the KPK, but I had a schedule.

4:07

Because our education schedule is every day.

4:10

Oh, sorry, Ustad. Because it was reported that Ustad Khalid Basalamah was absent.

4:15

Yes, that's it. So we have to solve the absence problem. This is not an absence problem. I know that if we have an obstacle, we can tell the KPK. We have told them. If we can't, we ask to be postponed to the next term. When we were not present, it was suddenly spread in the media that we were resigning.

4:34

Actually, there was no resigning. We proved, Alhamdulillah, that next week we promised to come, we came. On the 9th. So there was no resigning, Alhamdulillah. And we still obeyed and came. And I, Alhamdulillah, faced all of that,

4:47

and I consider this as a obedience to Allah.

4:50

But with the news circulating, refusals and so on, what was the response of the KPK investigators? I mean, was it allowed when the speech was, this is a series of schedules, because there might be a schedule or something like that. But he knows the KPK.

5:05

Yes, we were given a number for us to contact. Yes, communication.

5:09

Okay.

5:09

So we have sent information to the investigator, if we can't be there yet. We will ask to be postponed to the next Tuesday, on the 9th.

5:18

Okay.

5:19

And it was answered from the KPK, yes, it can be postponed to that date. Oh, it's confirmed. Yes. The KPK thought you were slow to respond, no news, pending. No, there was an answer.

5:33

If they didn't have an answer at that time, we would still come. Maybe I would sacrifice my research, then I would come. But because I was allowed to respond,

5:43

Okay.

5:44

Okay. So, let's continue. After the clarification from the monk, what is the actual chronology, Ustaz? We will get to the word, victim. But let's slowly differentiate between Furoda and Khusus. Because the point here is that

6:00

the division should be divided. There is Furoda, Khusus. Some say it's 92% here, 8% here, and even... To be honest, I watched it on Tempo's channel. Here it is.

6:14

The title is Yakut Khalil Komas, Corruption in the City of Haji, a laundry man. It doesn't mean that the focus is on the title. Actually, because it's viral, I watched the video. In the 6th to 8th minute, the journalist in the temple said that from the minister's

6:36

letter, he was the one in charge at the time, Mr. Yakut, it was 50-50. It was divided into two. I heard it was divided into two. That's why I'm a bit confused. While it was said that in 1992-1998, from that journalist, the official letter from the Minister of Religion at that time, was 50-50. Maybe you can help explain later

6:58

whether this has also reached the KPK. It's related to the 1992-1998, 50-50.

7:03

Yes.

7:03

Please, Ustaz.

7:04

So, if the Furooda is a visa for pilgrimage issued by the princes, given by the Saudi kingdom. So they are free to invite anyone. And it's already common. It has nothing to do with the city and the visa that is being discussed.

7:19

It's their own, their own department, it's called Furoda's department. But they can officially to Saudi Arabia by themselves. They have their own department. It's called Furoda Department. But they can officially go to Saudi Arabia. And this is what we have been using. Now, for the city, the Saudi government gives all the countries a city. Indonesia got 221,000 cities in 2024. After that, the Saudi government gave an additional 20,000 for Indonesia.

7:50

This is what became the discussion. How to follow the regulation that 92% for regular, 8% for travel or INH plus, or is it divided into two? If it's a regulation, it should be 9, 2, 8. But at that time, the decision of the Ministry of Religion, as discussed earlier,

8:13

in this tempo,

8:15

or maybe it has become a consumer of the community.

8:17

It's okay, you can watch it.

8:19

Yes, at the time of Pansus, it was discussed. Why not divide it according to the regulation? But I actually didn't get involved in that. Because it was a far-reaching issue. Because our position, me and maybe some other travel friends, we only got an offer. I once discussed in the media when I came last, on the 9th of last month,

8:52

I was a victim. And I did mention the names of Ibn Mas'ud and Trevor Muhyibah. Like that. Now, there is a link to why I discussed that. Because this is not the original statement I made. We, me and Jema' U Hud, we all have a fraud.

9:08

We've paid for the visa, we've paid for the handling, hotel, bus, everything in Saudi. How come we started a fraud years ago? So this is actually over. While the process of our completion of our Furada, came the figure of Ibn Mas'ud, through the association of Mutiarah Haji.

9:31

How long have you known him?

9:32

I don't know him. I didn't know him before. I knew him from our sect, Ustaz Lotfi. He contacted Ustaz Lotfi, and he told me that there was someone someone wanted to talk about Hajj. So I said, okay, let's gather all the associations. Me, Sekjen, then Tadif Hajj, Bendahara, and all kinds of people. We gathered there.

9:56

That was the first time I met him. Then he told me about his travels to Mughibah, his affiliation, he joined Ampuri, if I'm not mistaken, he was in the IHK, he joined Ampuri. If I'm not mistaken, he was the head of the Hajj Umrah division at that time. Then he mentioned some names of Ustaz that we know. And he immediately offered an additional visa of 20,000 from the Saudi government

10:23

that can be used. This city can be used. The city can be used. It will be gone. Okay. Is this official? We asked. It's official. That's how it is. Okay. If it's official, now, if we head to head with our visa, the visa is also official and will be issued. It will be issued. So, it's a balance.

10:48

There is no plus value that can make you move. Then, suddenly, he also discussed that the city can get a VIV certificate. It is offered on the paper. VIV certificate for zone A, zone B. VIV certificate is what we are interested in. Because the fraud certificate is far away.

11:13

So it can be a plus value. As long as the visa is official, and it does not violate the rules. We understand that it is legal. Then we get the VIP room. Okay, this is an interesting VIP room.

11:28

It's very close to Jamarat. The VIP room is usually known as the blue zone. At that time, the blue zone was represented by this picture.

11:38

Oh, this is the picture. The VIP room near Jamarat is the upper one, right?

11:41

Correct. So, all of these blue ones are actually the blue zone, which is considered as the VIV zone. But the upper zone is for Southeast Asia. So Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, etc. The one on the left is for Europe. The blue zone is all VIV zone. The one that can enter is the city.

12:01

If it's a foreign country, it can't enter here. That's why the upper part is Jamarat, it's very close to Jamarat, that's why we're interested. At that time, there was a ticket for 111 to 115.

12:14

That means it's a special Hajj, right? The one that you can enter the city, right? So, full-ride is not possible there? No, it's not.

12:19

Okay. This is interesting. We can get in here. Besides the official visa, we can also get a VIV certificate.

12:27

Okay.

12:28

Well, over time, there will be an explanation about the visa problem. The visa is paid for Rp 4,500. And at that time, because of the Uhud Turbun, our Pihak permit, the Hajj permit, was issued at the end of 2023. Meanwhile, this is the Hajj event in 2024. So, we have got the data for the city, but we have to queue.

12:52

Usually, it's 6-7 years ahead. Well, in the next 6-7 years, we can't go there yet. But because it's a speed, it's official, we can use it. Okay, then there's no problem. Because our PIHK just came out in 2023, they offered to use our PIHK. PT Muhyibah from Pekanbaru.

13:23

Okay, we used his PT. That's why me and the congregation, we all registered as Muhyibah. We registered as all the congregation. So we were asked to pay the visa, 4,500. We registered as his congregation. We were also promised the VIV school that we paid.

13:42

So we had a visa payment, payment and a school payment. We were directed to Ampuri Association. We paid for everything. We didn't know how the practice was. Because we, Travel Uhud, that Allah entrusted to us, we never managed the city before.

14:03

We didn't know if the city is paid or not, and all kinds of things. That's why when the KPK officer asked me, Ustaz, do you know if this visa is free? I said, I don't know. Why don't I know? I said, if you ask me, because for all this time, Umroh, the visa is paid.

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14:20

Furodha, paid. Foreign currency is paid. And we didn't know if the visa quota was free. I just found out. Because for me, everything was paid.

14:29

Ibn Mas'ud didn't tell you if it was free or paid?

14:32

He asked for payment.

14:33

Oh, yes.

14:34

He asked for payment. That's why the number 4500 came out. So we paid. So, until the process of paying the visa, the stamp, everything was done. And finally, they asked, Ustaz, which desk do you want?

14:49

Because there are zones A, B, C. So, this picture, this is about the top one, there is a building, there is King Fahd Hood, this is Jamarat.

15:03

This is the Jamarat escort. So, the nearest desk is this one, the 111th.

15:07

Oh.

15:08

Here there are 111, 112, 113. And then there are up to 115. This is the next one. 115 is the farthest. Here. The one above here. Yes, this one. There are two.

15:20

115. This one and the small one.

15:23

The small one in this triangle?

15:25

Yes, that's right. It's known as the island. These are all Asian-South Asian maktab.

15:31

Okay.

15:32

That's how it is. So we asked, So when we were asked, which maktab do you want? I said I want the most exclusive maktab. At that time there were 112. But because these maktab were held by private companies that won tenders in Saudi Arabia. So, each school usually provides a service and they compete.

15:50

The most famous is 112. But at that time, the language was already booked by Malaysia. So we moved to school 111. It was close to Jamalat, but the service was a little less than 112. Okay, we pay. It was a deal. About two weeks before we left,

16:09

suddenly, Ampuri told our staff that we would move from 111 to 115. So we were confused. Why did we move? We had made a decision. We had to accept they move? It was a decision. So we felt that we had to accept it on one side. And we would be compensated for moving to 115th floor.

16:33

We had already pressed the government. From the beginning, the agreement was 111th floor. Why did they move? We had also talked to Pak Firman, who, the head of Ampuri. We asked him, and he said, this is the decision.

16:50

We have to see who will pay first, and then we can get it. But there was no such thing. The conclusion is, we have to move from Rp111 to Rp115. They said there was a compensation. I forgot, between Rp1,000-Rp1,800 per person.

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17:10

I told them that I didn't need the money. We didn't need the money. We had discussed it with the congregation. When we took the visa, we would stay at the 111th level, exclusive. We had to discuss it with the congregation. We were still in 111th grade, exclusive. We were forced to return to Jama'ah.

17:26

Then we returned the compensation to Jama'ah. Before Ampuri returned the money to us. Because when we went to Ampuri, we contacted them again to settle it after the Hajj. But it was too slow. At the end, the last minute, Oh, this Uhud still has a payment delay.

17:50

So there is a difference that must be paid. In the end, it's not our compensation again, but we have to pay it. Okay, we'll finish it at that time. But the condition of the visa we were given and we had to pay. We didn't know if it was illegal or not.

18:08

Or if it was a city's regulation that we shouldn't use. Because we were officially guaranteed. We were registered in Traveldia, which has a PIKHK. We were promised a VIV. But finally, we were moved from 111 to 115. What surprised us was that from 111 to 115. What's more, what surprised us was that we moved to 115.

18:29

And we were placed on that island.

18:31

The one with hundreds of people?

18:33

No, the small one.

18:34

Oh, the small one, the triangle one?

18:36

Well, what's the advantage of the small one? The small one means there are fewer tents. Automatically, there are fewer dining rooms and bathrooms. automatically means that the food and bathroom queue is also less. When we arrived there on the 8th of Dhul Hijjah, we were shown the paper from the Masyarik. Masyarik is the one who holds this tent. Uhud Tur is written there.

18:59

We were on the island. So I came there, but I was surprised because the tent was already filled by the Indonesian congregation. Who is this? How come? I was confused because I didn't know who to talk to because it seemed like it was the whole congregation. So I went straight to the Arab who had his office there, the one who held the table. I was from Uhutur.

19:20

In this picture, it says, we are in this tent, but there are people here. He walked with me, checked the tent and everything. Oh yes, there are people here. Okay, let's go back to the office. We discussed what the way out was. Because my congregation had already gotten off the bus.

19:35

The weather was a bit hot at that time, right, Master Haji? and they were considered Sunnah, not all of the Hajjis would go down there. They would usually go down on the 8th of the day, the day of Arafah. So, I said, okay, let's go back to the tent. Who knows, we might meet the leader. I was surprised when we went back to the tent, there was actually Ibn Mas'ud. I said, Anto, why are you here?

20:00

Isn't this the tent of the Uhud? We can just join. This is not a tent of the Uhud. We just combine the languages. I said, I don't want to combine. Why do we have to combine? From the beginning, when we asked for a book, we have gone through it. From 111 to 115.

20:11

And from the beginning, I have discussed it. When we took the tent, I wanted to set it up myself. Because we have a prayer meeting with the congregation. We have our own teachings. There is a personal consultation. If I join him, what's the advantage of Jema'uhud? It's not exclusive anymore. I said, since he's using Ikhlam, I don't want to argue.

20:29

He should move. Then we went to our tent. I discussed with the Arab people there. We were moved to the tent above, the 115 above. The problem is, there are more tents. The queue for food and other things is longer.

20:49

Especially the bathroom. For example, there are only three bathrooms that can be activated. This is very disturbing. We made sure that the visa was official. We also registered as a congregation in Trefoldia. We were asked to pay the visa. We paid.

21:09

We didn't look for it on purpose. I was there as a congregation. We were promised a room in the mosque. We were moved to room 111. In room 115, our tent was used by him. We moved to a bigger place, in the 115th school.

21:26

After negotiating with the Arab people there, he said, just use this tent. The unique thing is, almost every day, the Ampuri people came to us. Then, they said, Ustaz, this is not your tent. If it's not my tent, where is it?

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21:39

According to the picture, my tent is in Pak Kaule Ibn Mas'ud. We asked him to leave, and our group went in there. According to the picture, my tent was seized by Ibn Mas'ud. He told us to leave, and we entered the tent. But he went away again. He came back the next day. So, this problem came up on the field. I felt that it was too much for me to move from 111 to 115.

21:59

You moved twice?

21:59

We were told to use our tent, and then we were told to join him. Then we moved to the next tent. It was done. Alhamdulillah, we went to perform the Hajj. When we returned to the tent, we were contacted by the Muhibbah. They asked to meet us and the remaining 4,500 was returned.

22:25

Why was it returned?

22:26

Well, that's because our position didn't understand. We were as a community, right? We were asked to pay, we paid. We were returned, we were returned. And there was their language, yes, this is not a camera, there is no sign of acceptance.

22:43

Well, our staff at that time, because of the sudden dedication, was taken away. Then reported to me. Ustaz, this is the money for the renewal. What money? They said it was Visa money. At that time, I didn't know.

22:55

I didn't know that Visa couldn't be sold or bought. This is the money for what? I don't know, a sign of approval, whether it's a hand wash or what. We didn't know if it's a hand wash or something. Oh, I understand. Finally, we accepted the money. The team's account asked, Ustaz, what is this money for?

23:08

I don't know what it's for either. The letter of the KPK called us. When we wanted to go there, the first thing that came was our staff. We were interviewed and asked for data. We gave all the data.

23:21

I said, We gave them all the data. I told them, because they were from KPK, Ustaz, please help us. Okay. Why not for this? What can we help? We will help. So, all the data, financial report, what was asked for, the data of the congregation,

23:33

we gave them all.

23:34

Cooperative.

23:34

We gave them all. That's why when we first came, KPK responded positively. Because we came and we were done. Then the accountant said, Ustaz, let's just put this money as a reduction in the fee of the visa. Because we know it's a visa payment.

23:52

Okay, we write it like that. In the KPK, we have entered, we have given it, it is a reduction in the visa. Now, this money, when we want to use this money, I also don't want to use it to buy a ticket. We have booking for tickets, flights, hotels, and we have to travel for a long time. But we still doubted whether to use this money or not.

24:15

So I just let it be. Until the second call, the KPK asked for the money to be returned. So we returned the money to the KPK. At that time, there were about 37 people in our congregation. Before the Hajj, the visa hadn't been issued yet. We confirmed to the head of the congregation,

24:35

why is this? Why is this? It took a long time to get the answer. The final answer was, if you want to go out, you have to pay $1,000 per person. It means 37,000. This is not the amount of 4,500 that we have paid.

24:48

Actually, it's the addition.

24:50

The course is in dollars, right?

24:52

Yes, it's in dollars. 4,500 dollars per visa. We have paid that. But from 4,500 times 122 Jemaah, it's actually... the visa that hasn't been issued is 37. We asked, why it hasn't been issued? We have paid for it.

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25:12

If it's issued, their language will be added $1,000 per month. That's the language of Ibn Mas'ud. So, he paid $1,000, so it's 37,000. We paid. After that, we found out that the money was considered his salary.

25:30

Why did he suddenly get a salary?

25:31

I asked him. When he first came to offer a visa, he said, -"We want to help." -"Really?" To make things easier. Then I said, -"Why?" Suddenly, Antum asked for a salary.

25:43

He said, -"Antum doesn is like people don't understand.

25:45

Really?

25:46

Yes. Antum was asked to help him with his language. While he was angry. See. Antum, Ustaz, don't you understand? Then, wait.

25:53

Actually, because I'm an Ustaz, I have to understand. I know where the halal and haram are. He was angry. Until he threatened to stop the visa process. Our visa. The visa can't be processed anymore. Unless we pay for it. We'll pay.

26:12

Because we can't go back.

26:14

It's not a big deal. But we still have to pay.

26:17

That's it. That's why my friends from KPK said, they said, Ustaz, this 4500 times of Jama'at, return it to the country, Ustaz.

26:25

Okay?

26:25

The 37,000 also returned to the country.

26:28

Excuse me, Ustaz. Can you be specific? The 4,500 dollars earlier, multiplied by the amount, how much is the amount, Ustaz?

26:34

122.

26:37

All of that returned to the country?

26:38

But the 122, was cut by 6 employees. Because there were employees.

26:45

Oh, free of charge.

26:47

Yes, employees. So we paid 118. When they returned the money to us, it was returned 115. So it's not 118.

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26:57

Okay, so it's clear.

26:58

So there are still 3 jemaah, 4,500 x 3, which haven't returned to us. We have already delivered everything to the KPK. Alhamdulillah, when Jemaahs, 3 of them haven't returned to us. We have delivered them to the KPK. Alhamdulillah, when we stored 4,500 Jemaahs, we have proof. We have a matrix. When we stored 37,000 Jemaahs, we also have proof.

27:17

We also paid the Maktab Hiai Fi to Ampuri, we have proof. I have delivered all of them to the KPK. This is also evidence. I have handed it all over to KPK. This is our evidence. Okay. Let's continue, Ustaz. So, like that. When they returned the money, and finally KPK asked about this visa. The investigator asked,

27:33

Do you know if this visa is free? I said, I don't know. As far as I know, I paid. Because Umroh has been paying all this time. Furro has paid. Ustaz, that's free. He said, that means the money he asked for, 4,500, is not allowed.

27:47

Hmm.

27:48

Okay. That's why he returned it. Yes, that's why he returned it.

27:52

Oh.

27:53

This is the long history of why I took a conclusion to be asked by the media. I'm a victim. And I called it Nama Ibu Mesud because it's the people who came. They traveled to Yamuhiba, and we traveled there. So I'm not trying to be strict. If there's a statement from them that they're not lying, that's their business. But we discuss what's going on, and we have the data.

28:19

Okay.

28:20

Oh, MasyaAllah. So that's what it means. Let me summarize a little bit about this issue. The quota, before we continue to the next discussion. The quota for Indonesia is 20,000. As we know, it should be 92% or 8%. But it turns out,

28:43

from the letter of the Minister of Ministry of Religion at that time, which was discussed in Tempo, was, eh, why suddenly it became 50-50? I don't want to discuss that for a moment. But the important thing is, it's official. Because the transaction is clear, the transaction is official, and the information is given or maybe reported to the Ministry of Religion. After that, the Ustaz didn't know, he bought it. Because the offer was reported to the Ministry of Religion. After that, I didn't know. I bought it.

29:06

Because the offer was also a sale. Visa, we also understand a little about E-VURODA. There was a sale there. The following year, the money was returned. With the value of 4,500, it was the same, it was a bit of a tip-off. I don't understand this. Maybe it's because the law knows.

29:26

Is it to remove the trace? Or what? I don't understand.

29:31

Regardless of whether they remove the trace or not, I just try to explain the reality like this. Why did our statement come out in the media? We are victims. Why is there the name Ibn Mas'ud? Why is there the name Muhyibbah? Because this is the history. We were Furoda, then we changed because there was an offer from them. This is an official visa. This is an additional quota. In fact, as far as I remember, there is no language.

29:58

This has nothing to do with regulation 928. Because this is an additional quota. And we were also offered a VIV certificate. We paid for everything. Because they asked us to pay. And we didn't know if it was not paid. That's it. That's why when KPK invited us, we came. KPK also asked for the money to be returned. We returned it. We followed all the procedures.

30:18

That's it. Now this is interesting, sir. From the beginning, maybe there was a payment or something. Ah, this first. Furoda suddenly became a special haji. The Jama'at of Uhudtur at that time, did they know that this was Furoda's registration? Why did it suddenly change to a special haji?

30:40

Because there were also some videos that were uploaded. I forgot where it was from. Saying that, they said they didn't know. If we went from Furoda to Khusus. Is it true that there are times that are told by the Uhtu? So it's not like buying a cat in a bag.

30:56

We have told all of our times. If we went from Furoda to Haji Haji Husus. We discussed everything. We made a group of people for Umrah or Hajj. We shared all the information in the group. From the journey, facilities, changes in the flight schedule, everything. Among all of that, we even shared information in Jafri, one by one, all the congregations were informed.

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31:25

If we were to go to Bali, at that time, coincidentally, our total congregation was more than 150. Because of these 122, 6 officers and 118 congregations entered the city. The rest, about 30 or more, I forgot, 30-37, are still Furoda. Because we made a Furoda package. It means they use a pure Furoda table.

31:50

Like that. And we made a package called Bronze. So there is Furoda, there is a city. There is a special one. Like that. This is what happened. When we were leaving all the furoda, the remaining 30 that were in bronze, we moved to the city and we informed them.

32:15

That's why we have told them everything. So if there is news, there is a jemaah hutur, that's the language we got the statement, yes. Lied to, felt lied to by the old language preacher. This is a bit unique. Which jemaah is this? Who is speaking? Because all of our jemaah know.

32:34

And this is the rationale. If he really feels lied to, for example, quotation marks, as if he was lifted by the media, it means he should have spoken from the beginning before leaving. Ustaz, why did Furoda become a city from the beginning? Why is there a KPK case that he just talked about?

32:54

And there, they know it's true. We discuss this because we... ...Haji Husus got a VIP school. And the congregation enjoyed it.

33:04

Logically, even if Furoda is not in the place And the congregation enjoyed it. Oh yes, yes. Logically, even if it's a full-time job, it's not possible to get a VIP desk.

33:08

That's right. And everyone knows that. And even if they complain, they have to tell us first. And there have been no complaints from the congregation so far. Not even one complaint. We can even discuss, Alhamdulillah, among our very satisfied congregation, is the congregation ofah at that time

33:25

Because the bus, hotel, everything we promised, we never changed

33:30

Now, this is a request from airmall.id KPK said there is a jemaah that feels lied to by Khalid Basalamah Well, this is what I mean, I watch this So, I don't know the statement either I mean, where is the goal? Why do I feel that the media is really...

33:48

...insulting what's in the report?

33:51

This is the problem of the media. Why? Many of them... ...if we speak in the language of serama, it's not right to God. It should be clear first. Especially if it's for the titles that deliberately criticize to sell. Allah. Haruskan jelas dulu nih. Apalagi kalau buat judul-judul yang sengaja mengkritik

34:06

supaya menjual. Karena pada saat ini dibahasakan, kami konfirmasi ke jemaah-jemaah kami. Memang ada di antara bapak ibu yang merasa belum diinformasikan. Akhirnya ada jemaah kami yang buat cuplikan tuh. Pakai handphone dia sendiri, inisiatifnya beliau sendiri. Ini This is his own initiative. This is our friend from Makassar. He will explain it.

34:26

Before we play this, can we go back to the white table? Ustad, do you know? The narration here is that he is Jamaa Uhudtur. But do you remember his face?

34:38

Oh, this is his assignment.

34:40

Oh, I see. Is it clear what he is called? that the name is from Jemaah? And you know?

34:49

I don't know. We only got it from hearing the information that there is a Jemaah in Uhud that feels like a lie. The language in Uhud is a bit unique. Because it's impossible for it to happen. For us, it's impossible. We never intended to lie.

35:02

Maybe like this. We never intended to lie. Maybe this is one of the small things that we always make SOP in Uhud. And I really emphasize it as SOP. In Uhud, when we make flyers, we try to make it without a single page. This hotel is a single page. Why is there no single page? Because we want commitment.

35:18

There is no tadlis. There is nothing that is boring. So if we mention, for example, the Platinum package in Medina, Hilton Hotel, Mecca, Intercon Hotel. Before we put up the flyer, we have already checked the hotel. So, there's no problem, we don't get a room.

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35:34

Okay.

35:35

For many travelers, they put up the flyer, they test the market first. Once there's a problem, they contact us. If the hotel is full, he can write a star-off. He can move to another hotel. Because the cash flow is not as strong as Uhutur, right? No, it's not a cash flow problem. It's a commitment problem. Because the number of rooms we take, if we have a deposit, and the deposit can be the price of a room,

35:56

1000 or 2000 riyal per room, depending on the 5-star hotel. We can give a proof first. So it's not a big cash flow. The important thing is we pay and we have to have money. We pay first. So the jemaah will definitely get it.

36:13

And when we advertise, the jemaah reads, he registers because of that facility, he gets that facility. And when he pays, we also pay for the settlement. Like that. So this is an example of our commitment examples. It's impossible for us to lie to the congregation. When we show them, this is the mother's suitcase, this is her clothes, this is her bus,

36:34

everything is the same as what we gave. There are too many testimonies in the media that we raised, the congregation speaks for themselves. Uhutur gives this, Uhutur gives this. So they discuss. So, give you a speech like this. So they will discuss it. So this is a bit unique.

36:47

The rational thing is, if this jama'ah is really felt to be a lie, it shouldn't be now.

36:53

It should be yesterday.

36:54

It's very simple. Before leaving, he will say, because he can talk to me, especially Hajj is related to me. The jama'ah speech is very open to the Jemaah. I am a Furwoda. Why did you move me to the city? It could be like that. I explained it to them.

37:08

But we have explained it from the beginning. So, there is no Jemaah that left without knowing. That is impossible. This is what we think. Because we are on the ground. It was the same when they used our facilities.

37:21

They knew that the facility is for special needs. Like the VIP office, for example. Because the Furoda can't enter there. And all the congregations, Alhamdulillah, when we entered Mecca on the 4th of Dhul Hijjah, I mean the 1st of Dhul Hijjah, we prayed, and we put all the congregations in the hotel Anjum.

37:39

Whether it's a special one or a Furoda. or the Furoda. We gave the Furoda a 4-day bonus. From 1st to 4th of Dhul Hijjah. So, all of them are in one hotel. So, the Furoda is also a hotel with a special Hajj, but only for 4 days. After 4th of Dhul Hijjah, the Furoda moved to their standard hotel. Their transit hotel. Their standard tent.

38:00

Later, they met us again when... What is it called? We will meet again when we want to do the Hajj. So I know the ifadah. Now, here is a special thing. So the difference between this and the same is that before we left, when we left, everything was clear for the congregation.

38:21

So it's a bit unique when the statement came out, Oh, there is a congregation that feels lied to. Who is the congregation? Just show who the congregation is. We can explain it because we have proof. That's why our congregation from Makassar, Pak Arifah, may Allah reward you,

38:37

he made a clip, he said, In this video, I still keep the proof. In the group, we are informed So I leave in the condition that I understand This is special

38:48

And the sermon that ... This video is also viral He was directed by the ustad To issue a testimony like this No

38:58

No. What is your personal opinion? I never talk about my personal But I was suddenly shown Oh there is a sermon It is written, this video was made spontaneously I'm not talking about me personally. But I was suddenly shown a video of a Jemah. It was written there, this video was made spontaneously.

39:08

Wow, this is the comment from my friend.

39:12

This is Makulau Karina. Karina Makulau. The daughter of King Makassar, King Goa, Andi Jemah Makulau. That's from there. Try it. I'll call my friend first, because I'm wrongly focused here.

39:30

My neighbor, how many houses are different? One complex. I just found out. Bismillah, I'm also a UHUD member. Masya Allah, there's never a problem. When waiting for the room division, I get the last one and don't wait. Pass masuk kamar dapat upgrade dan staff Oh hood slalu minta maaf padahal menurutku yang gapapa

39:46

Napa-napa gitu setotal itu mereka handle jamaahnya dan ngeliat usat Khalid ikut ngangkat kardus air mineral pun masya Allah beliau yang punya loh yang punya pakai ngangkut-ngangkut karus air gitu kan Bukan staff bukan moto if juga tapi gak bossy gak merasa bos gitu masya Allah liatnya Not a staff, not a motorbike driver either. But not bored, not feeling bored.

40:06

God wills, look at him.

40:09

This is real, this is Karina Makulau. Yes, it's true. The daughter of the king, what is it? Gowai?

40:14

Yes, yes, yes.

40:15

My aunt, Pak Andi Maradang Jema Makulau. This is like that. Wow, I'm always curious, I just found out.

40:21

One complex. Okay, let's continue. Oh, yeah, Jabri. It was also approved by the head of the village. Oh, it was approved. So we started using Haji Muses. I knew it from the beginning. When we arrived in Mecca, we also did the process of Hajj. The facilities were the same. We used the VIP room. In Medina, we used the Hilton Hotel.

41:21

In Mecca, we did the process of Hajj at the Anjum Hotel in Ring 1. So, there was no change. foreign Semoga Allah selalu mending ustad, semoga yang fitnah ustad diberkhidaya. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

41:47

Hello.

41:48

Waalaikumsalam.

41:48

Oh, okay.

41:50

He is a witness that the Jama'at is the one who is lying.

41:54

And almost all of the Jama'at are willing to contact us if we ask for their testimony. It means that we have informed them from the beginning. So, once again, it's simple. If there is a congregation that feels lied to, why are they talking now? They talk from the beginning. I want to do furoda, because we have furoda and khusus.

42:13

So, even if you don't choose khusus for this group, you can still do it?

42:18

Yes, you can. And as long as it's there, as I described, from combined the hotels, Furoda and Hussus, but Furoda only lasts for 4 days. Until 4th of September. While this one, until the end of the Hajj. Because they use the 5-star hotel. So, it's clear where Furoda is.

42:39

And no one complained. They easily come. Ustaz, why don't I follow Furoda? There's no language. They came to me easily. I asked, why didn't I join the Furwada? They said, there's no language. They were okay with it. So, the language they lied to was too vulgar and extraordinary.

42:53

Have you reached the KPK yet? Or maybe... What is the result of the KPK decision? Everything must have been explained. The news said it would take 7.5 to 8 hours.

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43:03

So, actually, the language is 7-8 hours. You have to understand this. I've never been to the KPK like yesterday, only twice. I saw that there was a process. We came, there was registration. Then when we sat down, they started to open, sometimes asking for news.

43:22

Then they started asking questions. And we had a break for prayer. We have lunch. After dhuhr, we continue. After asr, we have a break for prayer. Then we have a short break.

43:32

Maybe the investigator will come back later. So, the 7-8 hours process is not a process of sitting and not standing at all. So, don't be misunderstood negatively. I was inside, when I was being questioned. After that, some of my fellow researchers asked me, Ustadz, how about this legal issue?

43:50

So I answered.

43:51

Oh, you answered?

43:52

Yes, I answered religious questions. That's what happened. So I didn't feel at all that I was there as a wrongdoer. Or I was just a normal person. I came back from the KPK, I still had regular education. That's why my congregation called me yesterday, Ustaz, you were called to the KPK, but you still have education.

44:11

Why? We don't have anything. Even the investigator at the time said, Ustaz, Jazakallah Khair, Ustaz, you are about to come, hopefully this can inspire the community, so they don't have to be afraid to share their information.

44:25

Can you help me? Oh yes, what can I help? Why not? Because we never feel guilty, right? We feel that maybe presence there can help something. But once again, I don't need to go too far there. The point is, I want to explain why our statement is sacrificed.

44:43

This is the history. So, it's in order. A, B, C, D, E, until it's all over.

44:50

Okay. So, about the sacrifice itself, when Ustaz Utara went to KPK, I don't know what the legal language is like. So, if it's a sacrifice, it means that he came to KPK as a witness. As a witness to the incident, especially as a witness,

45:09

in PT Muhyibah. After that, the victim was declared dead. What did KPK say? That the Ustaz's answer was about the victim.

45:17

They just noted it. They noted it. They noted everything. So, they asked, how did you first meet Ibn Mas'ud? What was offered?

45:28

I told them everything.

45:30

Okay.

45:31

How much did you travel? As you know, this is like a consortium. So from PT Muhyibah, how much did you travel in total?

45:40

I don't know how much they traveled. But clearly, we, me and Jamal Uhudhud, because we have prepared our passports, we have prepared everything. This is ready for the fraud. That's all we give up. We only know our Jema'.

45:53

I hope that what I'm talking about is just my Jema'. I don't want to suddenly appear in the media saying that I'm a victim, and then want to blackmail people. Not at all. Because this is the history.

46:05

I mean, is it really a business of their own? Or is there a lot of travel too? Or what?

46:10

Which one? The one that joined Muhibah? Yes. I don't know. I don't know. But from our association, there are people who joined them.

46:18

About 20 people, if I'm not mistaken, it's an association. But what level? It's also using Muhibah.

46:26

Oh, okay.

46:28

So they offer us to join them, because they have been a member for a long time.

46:34

Okay, but from the investigators or maybe from the police, is this Muhibah PT checked?

46:39

I don't know that much. Because I really...

46:43

You're not afraid of being fooled or something? I don't know. I've there. Because I really... You're not afraid of being fooled or something?

46:45

I don't know. I've mentioned the names. They can check. When we were mentioned as Muhyibah, we checked it at first. Oh, yes, there is a travel. There is a PIK. Indeed, Ibn Masud is a member of the Ampuri, in the Haji division.

46:57

We checked everything at first. Oh, this means an official visa, this person is in Ampuri, this person has PT Muhyibah, we also register. I even brought it to the KPK, the list of our names as a Muhyibah congregation. My name is also Muhyibah, Muhyibah, Muhyibah. So, we are all official there. This is what happened. That's the reality.

47:19

The reality is like this. So, it means that there is only one answer left, right? I don't know. I just want to say, to the investigators, when I first came, there was a man named Pak Rizki.

47:27

I asked him, one of the questions we had was, I'm sorry, but I'm a suspect, or not, as a witness. Okay. That was the interview with the investigators. The second visit, I was suspected. Or not. Ustaz, as a witness. Okay. That's the direct interrogation. The second visit, I asked,

47:50

how many travels are planned to be checked? Oh, a lot, Ustaz. About 400.

47:55

400 travels?

47:56

That's the language I heard from the interrogator. Then, after I told everything, I published it, because I brought the data. If we were offered this desk, we were moved to another place, I brought it all, I delivered it. This is our name, the list is in Muhyibah. This is our transfer certificate, the Rp4,500 they asked for, using Matre.

48:19

This is the payment of Rp37,000 they asked for, we handed it all over. So after that I asked them, what's next? They said, if we need it, we will confirm it to Ustaz. So, there was no discussion about Ustaz being detained or called again. They got the information.

48:41

I felt like I was a victim. Because I had left my group, but because I was offered an official visa, a VIV, I just went with it.

48:54

Let's say 400 people travel, according to the report. Out of 400, one rest is 399. So if it's owned by one person, at least, there are 399 owners of the other travels. Why do I feel like Ustaz is the one who made Saakan Akan the main actor?

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49:18

I don't know. That's also a question mark for me.

49:21

The other 399? They called them too?

49:24

And the number of cities that are being problematic is 10,000.

49:28

Okay.

49:29

What was discussed earlier by... What was it?

49:36

What?

49:36

Compass or what was it? Tempo.

49:38

Tempo.

49:39

Tempo was discussed earlier. There is a letter, divided by 55%.

49:43

This one.

49:43

That means 55% is 10,000, 10,000, right? Now, if we assume that 10,000 is what is used, what is the problem, UHOD takes from MUHIBASO with their offer of 122. It means that if 10,000 is less than 122, there are still 9,800. Well, where is this? Why is it not discussed? Why is there an impression earlier?

50:12

Why is Khalid Basalamah? Why is Uhud Turini? Moreover, further out of the statement, there is a Jemaah Uhud who feels lied to. Why is it here? Where is this direction of this discussion? It should be focused on the core of the problem.

50:30

So, that's it. The important thing is, I have answered as a citizen of the country. I know the theory of religion. I have told Wali Ammar. I was asked about the history. I told him everything. And I said the words I sacrificed. Because I have already you my reasons.

50:46

So, what's the matter? I didn't mean to blacken or blame anyone. I just wanted to tell you what's the matter. I don't want to, because I'm a figure in religion. One of many, mashaAllah, Da'ida'is in Indonesia.

51:01

I'm just one of them. I don't want to be behind us, we as the Islamic religion, there's the Quran, there's the teachings of the Prophetone and one. People will think it's negative. Oh, Ustaz can lie about the congregation. I don't want that.

51:14

Because it's not true. Alhamdulillah we are quite gentle. If we are wrong, we say it's wrong. If not, then it's not.

51:21

Wow. InsyaAllah. It's also cooperative, right? You can say, maybe they come there, and answer. And yesterday, there were also a crowd of 1, 2, 3, 5 people. 4 people, Ustaz. There are also speakers there. Well, it means, if for example, in my language, it's very common. If Ustaz doesn't feel guilty, why should you bring a group of speakers, Ustaz?

51:42

Okay. If you feel guilty, why do you have to bring a group of lecturers? Alhamdulillah, alladhi binimati tuti mussalihat. That is what the Prophet said. All praises and thanks to Allah, all goodness is perfected by His permission. I never thought of using a lecturer. But jazahullah khair, Dr. Faisal, as a lecturer,

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52:00

he came and he offered to accompany us. I said, please, if you want to help us in this matter, please. Finally, he came with us. Go there, accompany, so that later there may not be any languages that are afraid to be misused. Then, I was not wrong, I could be wrong. Okay, very good. Why not?

52:27

That's the reason. So it's not like that. I paid the interviewer on purpose. There's no such thing. He came with his team. He wanted to help us.

52:42

Why did I refuse? We just went on our own. But you have to be five. I want to give help to us, why do I refuse? Hmm. Well, we walk together.

52:45

But it must be five, right?

52:47

Yes, I don't know, but that's his team.

52:51

Okay.

52:51

He invites me to walk. I just know, I usually walk together.

52:55

Now, where is the news of Ibn Mas'ud? For example, with the position of the victim, it means that you also have the right to say, Wow, why am I the one who is in trouble?" -"I don't know." -"You are responsible." No, I have been contacted.

53:09

I don't think about contacting anymore. Because when I came back from Hajj, I have told my team, we have to cut off this person. We can't be in contact with him anymore. Because I am very disappointed with his practice.

53:21

Starting from him asking for 37,000 rupiahs, and he was so angry. I said, Antom, you don't understand. You should do this and that. It was uncomfortable. Then, our tent was built and used. We moved it to 111 to 115. After we moved it to 115, we used the tent.

53:40

That was the problem. Then, there was the unclear money return. Why is it returned? Because we were called to KPK, the KPK spokesman, Ustaz Kan Uhutur, why is Ustaz in Mubah?

53:53

That's the question. So we answered, this is the story of Mubah. So I didn't come to KPK, I'm like this, like this, like this. No. We were called, we were asked, we answered.

54:08

That's how it was. I don't need to know how he handled it. Because for me, he offered me, I made a transaction, he said it officially, for me, it's done. So, now you are dis, you could say, disappointed

54:25

with your collaboration with Ibnu.

54:27

Yes, I'm very disappointed with ARAKS. Because of their practices.

54:32

Okay.

54:33

And why don't you try to find... I mean, who knows, he has to be responsible, right? Like, find out where he put it. Or send his number to KPK's investigators.

54:44

I think maybe KPK already knows. So the problem is, after they returned the money, 4,500 to us, there can't be any documentation, there can't be any receipt. This has made me more and more... I really can't make a deal to this person. What is this? If he's right, then it's okay.

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55:08

This is the receipt of our money. Why is it forbidden to have a cut and all that? And our staff doesn't know. He's okay with it. What can we do? Once we receive the money, we'll report it to you. I didn't know that the money was going to be returned.

55:23

Once it's returned, we knew. We were told that the money was already there.

55:27

But if you think about it, even if the quote is related to the Ustaz, usually when it comes to corruption, because there is a lot of corruption in the KPK, it is usually photographed, documented, and uploaded to the media as a proof.

55:44

For example, there are cellphones, money, We took photos, documented it, and posted it on the media that it was a proof. There were cellphones, money, and was it dollars?

55:50

It was dollars.

55:50

We returned 4,500 in the form of dollars. We took photos and posted it on the news that we were the ones who told the story. This is proof, the proof of the tools.

56:02

But in reality, there is no such news. No. We were asked to return it. We returned it. We started the process of returning it after the second call. We returned it. We returned it. All, alhamdulillah, according to the request. Because we gave everything we were asked for. Not just the request for money return that was a return to us

56:23

with no documentation that they asked for and all kinds of things. But indeed, we gave the data of the UHUD that the KPK asked for. Our financial report, what, what, what.

56:33

Money Fest, right?

56:34

I've told our staff to help the KPK friends, what they asked for, we gave it. Because we don't feel guilty. We don't have anything to hide about the problem. Okay. And an update from the interviewer, Dr. Faisal. How was the response from the legal firm? Can it be said, wait a minute, or maybe the language is like this, Oh, this seems to be actually safe.

56:59

I don't know, usually the interviewer knows the narrative that this is directed to where, to suspects or the criminal, or something like that. What was his response?

57:08

We just discussed, and then we told him what he had told us. Among them, when we were asked, Ustaz, if there's a media question, you just answer it. Because I thought it was simple. When I called first, there was no media to talk to. And I thought, if there was no media, I wouldn't be on the show.

57:32

But they told me, if there was a media, I just have to answer. Because if not, it will be a big issue. People will be angry. Especially if there are questions about, what's wrong with the city? And when I was asked in Block M, in our office,

57:50

how is it, Ustaz? The issue of the KPK's use of the polluters. I explained it to them. As a citizen of the country that follows, I also understand the situation, we follow it.

58:00

Because this is Wali Amr. Then while I was talking, I said, Antum knows people. If he is suspected, he will use a colored hairpin. And Alhamdulillah, we came. What's the matter? What do you want to ask? We will tell you everything. Because we never feel what's wrong.

58:14

I myself still want to ask, what's wrong with me? Because we were offered the official language of the city. We were asked to pay as a congregation. We paid. Because it was a request. We were registered as a community in Mohibah. If we are asked to pay, we pay. It's like all communities pay. Even when they are equal, this is VISA money.

58:34

People accept it, but I still wonder what is it?

58:41

So that's it. The the meaning of Korban. I can't talk to the media for a few minutes. How is it, Ustaz Khalid? I'm from Furoda, then I moved to this city. And I was offered to be a Korban. Because we were called to KPK because of the history of this city.

59:01

If we don't use it, we can't be called to Furoda. Who offered us the city? this city. If we don't use it, we can't call for the fraud. Who's the one who's in charge of the city? This person.

59:09

Okay.

59:11

So now we just have to wait. What's the decision? If the victim is proven innocent, will the case be closed?

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I don't know. I honestly don't know. Because we've never faced the source of life. This is the first time. And I know what it is. For me, the important thing is that I am not wrong. In the eyes of Allah's religion, I also know the law.

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We don't know it as a jama'ah. My position is similar to other jama'ah.

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Yes. Wait a minute. Ustaz Terdata in PT Muh Muhibah itu sebagai jamaah?

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Jamaah. Loh yang tadi yang dari Makassar, tetangga saya tadi. Semua kita terdata sebagai jamaah Muhibah.

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Itu jadi... Oh.

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Yang berali dari Furoda ke kota, semuanya terdata jadi jamaahnya dia. Oh berarti harus diusut unt investigated by PT Muhyibah? That's their business. I don't want to get involved in that. Because for me, I have no interest in that. I just want to discuss this. For me, this is a community that asks, why did you call Ustaz Hadith?

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What's the story of Ustaz Hadith? How can he use the quota? Because people who use the quota are like people who take people's assets. We don't understand. That's why I'm a victim. We don't understand. We know this is official. And maybe those who followed the Pansus Dialogue yesterday,

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they must know, they are connected to it. It was asked by the DPR, why the Ministry of Religious Affairs divided it into 2, 50%. They have an answer in the publication. So you can find out there. We just talk about our own. So that people won't misunderstand. I don't want this Da'wah, this religion to be misinterpreted. Because we don't do anything. I just ask, where did I go wrong?

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Masya Allah. What kind of lessons do you learn from this? Maybe we can take the lesson from this.

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Maybe this is for the viewers. I don't know if you can take the lesson from this. Oh, my God. What kind of lesson does it mean, Ustaz? Maybe we can take the lesson. This is for all the businessmen, travel businessmen, and all kinds of things. And this is also a lesson for you, Ustaz. It's okay. Just tell us what is the meaning of this,

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from Allah SWT, etc. Will it connect there, Ustaz?

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I am very sure. Some cases were nationally viral. Then, I was there. It turned out that there is a wisdom of Allah. We don't know. There must be a wisdom of Allah. I always feel that if I am not wrong, it's enough.

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Okay.

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And the $4,500 proof was not used be used as a tool of proof or anything. That's usually how it is. The style, for example, is based on the assumption, or something like that. And as... Well, the wisdom was also amazing. I also learned a lot, or something like that. It's been hot since earlier.

1:02:17

I'm stressed myself, I'm nervous, too. What is this really like? I don't know what it's like. Maybe I'll have a cup of coffee first. So that I can calm down. We've been talking for a while, I've been wanting to have a cup of coffee. Do you want a cup of coffee? I'm so excited. This is called Tugruk Gajah coffee, Ustaz. Wow, mashallah.

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Let's try it. Because the discussion will be very deep. Ustaz, if you allowah. This is our favorite coffee. It smells amazing when you smell it. It's also great. Timothy Ronald also likes this coffee. Who else likes this coffee?

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There are many people who like this coffee. There are many people who like this coffee. There are many sources. This is Tubruk Gajah coffee. For those who want to know more about this coffee, you have to come here.

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I just said it. please, for heavy discussion like this, you have to accompany this coffee.

1:03:08

Adem has just arrived, right? Ustaz, at the end of the conversation. For you, please give me some advice. Sunnatullah is like there is sorrow, there is joy, there is sadness,

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there is blessing, there is trial. Just like men and women, there is day and night, there is life and death, there is youth, there is old age, there is world, there is afterlife, there is heaven and hell. Well, no matter how great someone is, we are still protecting our faith, our good deeds, our good deeds. The test is still coming. Who is greater than Rasulullah SAW? He is very great. With his faith, our good deeds, our good deeds. The test still comes. Who is greater than Rasulullah SAW?

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He is very great. With his perfect faith and all that. Is it tested? It is tested. So, things like this, I consider it as a test in my life. The important thing is, the condition is, this is what we understand from our teachers. If a test is coming, we make it as the most expensive school for us.

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Because this is not a formal school. A school in the field, Allah teaches us. This is a problem. You are taught whether you should think or not, find a way out. This is practical. This is very expensive. Maybe people are tested with illness, people are tested with their life partner's behavior, tested with their spouse, all kinds of things.

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Their business, and so on. So I think this is a test. As long as we are right, we have the commitment, we are patient, as the Messenger of Allah said. But if there is a wrong person, he can also use that momentum to immediately repent. For example, to ask for forgiveness to Allah, then he also returns the rights of others. That's an opportunity before there is a heavy reckoning on the day of judgment. That is perhaps a wisdom that we can take from the test.

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Because maybe someone asks, oh, a class of a teacher can be tested. Oh, it is said that the test came with the faith of someone. The stronger the religion, the heavier the test. That's why the Prophet Muhammad was once very sick. Then a companion came and held him over his lap until he felt the heat penetrate. Then the Prophet said,

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You are tested with an extraordinary fever. The Prophet said, Yes, I was tested twice as many times as you. This is a prophet. Then the companion said, So you also get double rewards.

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The Prophet said, Yes, the biggest reward is the test. And people will be tested according to their faith. you will get double rewards. The Prophet and people will be tested according to their faith. Of course, this doesn't mean that if a believer has a hard test, he will be tested, or not tested by others. The case is that the Prophet is sick.

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For example, a normal person who has a fever of 40 degrees should be treated. Maybe the Prophet can be 50, 60, 70. Maybe it's just heavier. Maybe for normal people, the full of fever is one week.

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Maybe for believers, it is 10 days. So, the same tests, but maybe he is heavier. The purpose, the Prophet said, Allah tests a believer, in himself, in his family, in his property,

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until he meets Allah, or he walks on the face of the earth, until he meets Allah, there is no sin anymore. So that's the first thing, there are tests in life. Just be calm in facing it. We already have a very special device. If there is a blessing, be grateful. If there is a test, be patient. These are the two wings of life.

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Balance. If there is a blessing, be grateful. If there is a challenge, be patient. Patience is the definition of accepting Allah's decision and being able to find a way out. For example, we wake up in the morning and we have a flu. We don't have to say, I tried to use the AC last night, but it didn't cool me down. Or I tried to use the remote last night.

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We don't have to discuss that. We just have to say, Allah is testing me. I accept Allah's decision, Allah. I am willing to drink medicine, go to the doctor, and the treatment is complete. We just have to be patient and grateful.

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1:06:50

Oh, MasyaAllah.

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Secondly, by doing these tests, we will know who is right and who is wrong. And sometimes Allah Almighty involves us in an event, maybe we can be a good cause. Allah Almighty, I don't know, if by my presence there, it will help, what is the target of my friends to dismantle corruption, so that I can get a reward, Alhamdulillah.

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Because we don't know. So, it is possible. Then the third, actually, the test is actually a great reason for us to be close to Allah. Sometimes when we have a test, we are really different when we pray. When we don't have a test.

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Yes.

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Because I once, when I first opened a restaurant in Kalibata, I haven't opened it for over a year. Because the unemployed workers always come. What's the problem? The employees didn't have a place to work. They didn't call me. I gave them the money.

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We were still starting to build a business. We didn't have any other income. Meanwhile, the rent was still going. I was doing Friday sermon at the statistics campus in Cawang, in the Malay village, right? I came faster, I prayed in front of the mimbar, behind the mimbar, I mean. I prostrated while praying to Allah, asking for a way out. Apparently between the mimbar and the wall there was a little crack.

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It can be seen. After praying, I went back from behind the mimbar to in front of the mimbar. So I entered the first class. The father was old,'s hair was already white. I asked him, how are you? He said, did you arrange the prayers in the Qur'an?

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Only the prayers in the Qur'an, but arranged in the book? I said, no, sir. He said, sir, when I saw the prayer from the gap, I was very long, I just prayed. I said, I have a problem, Pak. I asked Allah to let me go out. He said, while he was holding his hair, I said, Ustaz, my hair is like this.

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I have never felt prostration for that long. How can it be so blessed? That message is like Allah told me from the heavens. That test comes when you can enjoy prostration forever. We don't know if we can. So those tests really brought us closer to Allah.

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We cry, to Allah. We cry, O Allah, please let me go out. We can't do that if there is no test.

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That's the nature of human beings.

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So there are too many lessons that can be learned. But clearly, this is a school, experience on the field. Allah taught us so that we can face the problems.

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MasyaAllah. Jazakallah khair barak wa rahmatullah wa barakatu. I got the conclusion, meaning from the clarification, the chronology, etc. Asambil Zaid also just now Ustadz has clearly stated, if I get the conclusion, it's the victims.

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Actually here, because he is a victim, I support the KPK. Now I support my friendsK. I support the investigators and others in the KPK. We must fight. Because the victims... Well, we'll see. Who will be the target?

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We can take this as a conclusion. Let's go there. Let's help. Maybe there are friends there who have questions. To the perpetrators and others. We support them fully.

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Because the victims... Don't let the victims be the victims. Don't let other victims fall into the same trap. Don't let other victims fall into the same trap. It shouldn't be like what we've talked about. Like Ibn Mas'ud, or PT Muhibbad, etc. Or maybe, maybe,

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here, KPK friends can see that okay, with this kind of case, they will be taught where the ognum will be re-reformed? So you know, right? Full support for KPK for Ustaz Ntas.

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And I have one point too. I came here not because I want to mention Ibn Masud's name or...

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1:10:35

PT.

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PT, Muhyibah. But because I was asked.

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Okay.

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Because KPK asked me, Ustaz, why is there a name in Muhibbah? That's the question.

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Oh, okay.

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So, there was no word that he was punished as a perpetrator?

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That's how it was at the beginning. So, we explained all the stories. So, the name Muhibbah was mentioned. At first, when the hajj was over, we thought, we are a jemaah, there is disappointment,, it's over.

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But when KPK called, what is this? We have to discuss this.

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But we don't know yet, we can't just give bonuses here and there. We just leave it to the KPK people, what it's like, and the decision will be maybe the corruptor, or the dalang, or the brain, or the brain. It's up to us. If there are victims, don't let it be other victims. We fully support KPK.

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Ustaz also fully supports it. We look for the main cause. Jazakallah khair, warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, Ustaz. InsyaAllah we will update it again. I have a gift for Ustaz. We also want to spread the word, right? InsyaAllah, you must have more worship than me.

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I think you must have it too, right? So, you can use it from Sunnah and Wajib, the worship. InsyaAllah, you can use this super platinum sarong, Ustad. From Sarong Kecubung. This is great.

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Oh, InsyaAllah. this is a gift for you. Thank you. Welcome, Ustaz.

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But, Alphon, don't give me a condition to wear a shawl. Why? Because if there is a condition, it means that I can only wear a shawl. Oh, yes. So, it's just a gift. Oh, yes. It's a gift, Ustaz.

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So, I'm free to you a gift. Oh, a gift. It's a gift, Ustaz. So, you're free to use it for prayer, you can give it to others. Everything is okay. Because if you give it to me, I'm afraid it will be a condition and a limit.

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No, no, Ustaz. It's a gift. It's a gift, Ustaz. That's why my name is Khalid, and the front is K. No connection. Pure gift from me and Sarung Kecubung. Thank you, sir. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. and the front is K. No connection. Pure gift from me and Sarung Kecubung. Thank you, sir. Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.

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