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Holy Week for many people means days to go out and enjoy, but for others, they are days to wait, days of silence and days where there is something difficult to explain. Because many people assure that on these dates, the nights feel longer, the streets emptier and above all, a strange nightmare in the environment. From images of saints that seem to move when no one sees them, to the appearance of demons that go out to celebrate the death of the Son of God. They are not just traditions, nor beliefs. They are stories, stories that are repeated every year.

And tonight, you are going to hear them. Welcome. How are you family? Welcome to another episode of Extra Normal Podcast. My name is Paco Arias and I'm happy to be here again with you. Family, we bring you one of the most anticipated specials of the year. Holy Week.

The week that brings us a lot stories, many experiences, many emotions, where I dare to say that a large part of Mexico and the world is in mourning. This week, many people live inexplicable things. And to talk about this topic, I am joined today for the first time by a great person, a great friend, and who really honors us a lot with his presence, our dear friend Ramón Valdés. How are you, brother?

Very, very happy, Paco. Thank you for the invitation and a greeting, obviously, to all your great audience. And ready to tell stories. Brother, thank you, really, thank you. I'm sure a lot of people have already seen you,

because I mentioned it to you yesterday, you are a great storyteller, and especially the knowledge you have with many legends. Really brother, you honor us a lot. For the people who are meeting you for the first time, I would like you to please tell us who you are, what you do, and of course, your projects. Sure, well, I'm Ramón Valdés, I'm a writer, I'm a storyteller, I like to do that a lot.

I've been writing for a while now, I write about dark fantasy, about terror, and I told you yesterday that I'm in a new fantasy project, but well, a more childish cut. But what I basically do is rescue the legends, not only Mexican, but legends in general. Always understanding the legends as something very important of the culture and the transcendence that these legends have.

The legends, after all, teach us many things. There are from the most romantic to the most terrifying, the ones that can truly leave you breathless. And that's what I do, the projects I have, well, on social media, I work a lot on that topic, to be promoting the legends, the culture, the pre-Hispanic.

And I was telling you yesterday that we have a baby, a new project called Espejo Negro, the podcast of legends, which is basically that. It's a podcast where we talk about legends, legends in general. And we're in that. And I also, Paco, I have to tell you that I am very grateful to be with you,

to be able to share this moment with you, that I know that we are also going to make those who listen to us have a great time. Brother, thank you. I invite everyone to please go and take a look at your podcast, at your projects, because you also have books that are really great, so that people can go and read them. I'm sure they will love them. And brother, let's see, I also want to mention something important to the people.

Holy Week is a very special week. A week where we live in many ways in different parts of the world, in Mexico, in many towns. There are stories that we are going to tell here and there is obviously a part that will be on our website, in case you would like to go there. Ramón is going to share something very strong that is forbidden. So, I'll see you there.

You know it's www.podcastextranormal.com.mx. There. Brother, let's see. What do you think about this week? Because there are many aspects, right? In many towns in Mexico, especially.

And many traditions that revolve around Holy Week. vertientes, en muchos pueblos de México sobre todo, y muchas tradiciones que giran alrededor de Semana Santa, una semana en particular que tiene su propio aroma, y es un aroma a muerto. O sea, debo decirlo así, y un amigo lo decía, realmente es un aroma a muerto, un ambiente muy lúgubre, un ambiente que se vive muy extraño. ¿Tú qué opinas de eso? has a very gloomy atmosphere, a very strange atmosphere. What do you think about that? Well, it's a very ambiguous situation, because in recent times

we have understood these days as holiday days, like people go on vacation and so on, and we don't realize the depth that these days have, especially for all Semitic cultures in general, or the religions that come from the Semites, and in particular the Christian Catholics, which is the moment when this great prophet dies, this Messiah, forces, let's say, from the very elementary,

those that are conceived in men, you and me, what we can believe, to others of another kind, others that come, let's say, from other planes of existence, that come together, are of the great moments that moments, as some call them, portals, where different things cross paths. We have a very particular day, which is Holy Friday,

one of the most complex days in paranormal terms, in terms of appearances, situations. It is the day they say the devil is loose. Exactly. And this is not to be taken lightly. Regardless of whether someone believes or not in a demonic figure,

what is true is that there are energies. No one can deny it because you and I are energies.

Sure.

And those energies take different shades. On that day, that particular energy takes a very dark shade. And we have to understand that the consequences of those nuances that exist can be extremely complex and extremely intrusive. So it's a situation that we have to take with a lot of maturity in all senses. But beyond maturity, the responsibility that there is in days,

because very strong things happen. Notice that we have told stories that have to do with this topic, and it is important because you mention something, well, Holidays of Holy Week in the city are very different to how it is lived in some towns, obviously where people keep mourning,

where people keep mourning, where people don't go out, they abstain from going to the pool, well, in this case, to the pool, because there are swimmers who take them to the pool, and curiously, there are more deaths as well. I was about to die on Easter, I already told the story of my grandmother,

she told me a thousand times, don't go, stay at home. I mean, this happens a lot, and unfortunately, tragedies happen. Maybe because people are in a hurry, maybe because people are enjoying these holidays, but things happen that really mark the rhythm of what has to do with this festivity,

with what is passion, where passion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ are celebrated. Now, I always tell people and my guests, let me tell you a story, but brother, I have an excellent narrator. I would like you to open this podcast telling us a story.

Well, I say, first of all, it is an honor, and let me make a small parenthesis, because I do want to tell all the people who watch us, that you're my godfather. I told you yesterday that it's the first time I'm... I travel a lot presenting books, giving conferences and all this.

But it's the first time I'm traveling as a content creator. So I do want to make it clear that Paco is my godfather in this. And I owe that to make it clear that Paco is my godfather in this. And I owe that to him. I prepared some stories that I sincerely hope are up to the task. Brother, thank you very much.

I wanted to comment on that.

No, no, brother. Thank you. You honor us. People already know that I have had to be godfather of many people. And how honorable, brother. I am one more. How honorable, brother. Well, look, the first legend happens precisely on a Holy Friday and it is the legend of the man without shadow.

This is a legend of a person who is finishing doing his activities, a peasant who is in a market. This happens in Zacatecas. The investigations about this that I tell you about,

because I try to bring you things that are documented, they locate him in Fresnillo. And this man was leaving this market and was going to a nearby town where his grandmother lived. And he finishes his activities and goes out on the road. He's very calm, walking.

It's sunset, there's still sun. And in the distance, he sees a person walking in the same direction as him, but a man with a hat, a hat that covered almost his entire face. And this man approaches and greets him very casually, as if he had known him all his life. And he, well, polite, answers.

Hello, good afternoon. Hello, good afternoon. And he says to this man, Hey, don't you mind if we go for a walk together? It's very common when it's the rural roads, it's better to go accompanied. And although he didn't know him,

he didn't give him a bad look at that moment. and the other one accepted. So they walked and enjoyed the path. And they started talking about very casual things, like the harvest, if it had rained, if the prices had gone up for some products and so on. And as they were walking, this man named Mateo

turned to the floor and realized that this man was not projecting shadow. This man, named Mateo, turns to the floor and realizes that this man was not projecting shadow. At first he thinks it's a mistake, because he was walking and he saw his shadow, and he saw the one next to him and he didn't project shadow.

So he said, well, maybe the sun is on one side, I don't know. They keep walking in a curve, obviously the perspective changes, and the light hits him exactly in the back, where there had to be a shadow, yes or yes. And he didn't cast a shadow.

They kept talking, but Mateo was a little bit like, strange about this. They keep talking, and suddenly he also realizes that Mateo's steps,

well, he could that Mateo's footsteps were heard. The floor, the sand, the stone. The sound of the footsteps. And this man's footsteps were not heard. Second alert, like, what is this? How strange, it's not shadow.

His footsteps are not heard, and his breathing is not heard either. After a while, you walk normally,, you're shaking little by little. So your breathing is getting more and more marked, especially when there are roads that are not flat. And you can't hear his breathing either.

He really starts to get a little tense, and later on, the last situation that really ends up hitting him is that they pass by a place where there was no mud. He leaves the footprints in the deep mud and the other one nothing.

Just as if he were floating, let's say, in some way. Okay.

They keep moving forward suddenly, this man, the conversation changes, they were talking about anything, he says, hey, you gave me a good idea, and I want to make you a confession. Mateo is like,

yes, tell me.

Notice that a few days ago, I was working the land, and with the plow, I suddenly hit something. I tried to get the animals to move, but we couldn't. So I grabbed the plow with my hands and I discovered a chest. A very large, buried chest,

which I tried to get out, but it was very heavy. I couldn't get it out. I saw that it had a pad chest that I tried to get out, and it was very heavy. I couldn't get it out. I saw that it had a padlock, a very old one, and the only thing I could do was go get a tool, break the padlock, and to my surprise, when I opened that chest,

I saw that it was full of centenarians inside. Wow. But it was absolutely full of centenarians. I made a fortune, but I can't get it out. So, look, I don't know you, but I do know my neighbors, and my neighbors are very ambitious.

I would like to ask you to come with me. In fact, it's right here, the gap that leads to my land. And come with me, and if you help me get the chest out, I'll give you a part of the centenaries." Imagine, Mateo, how?

He doesn't even know me. The inner thoughts saying, he doesn't know me, but the centenaries, he was with his grandmother, they didn't have money, and he starts imagining everything he could do with that money, imagine. Sure.

He thought, he'll give me 20 centenaries, 30 centenaries, I mean, imagine all that money could do. Imagine. Of course.

He thought, he'll give me 20, 30 centenarii.

How much will it be?

It's a full chest.

And suddenly, a voice, a voice of conscience,

his grandmother's voice, as if she were listening to him inside,

she said, don't accept.

And the other one starts to have internal doubts. But how am I not going to accept? And no, no, no, you don't accept. I followed that inner voice. So he says, you know what? Hey, thanks for your offer, but you know what? I have to get there, I'm in a hurry.

I have to see my grandmother. And the other one answers, of course you have to go see your grandmother.

But imagine that you arrive with a few hundred. I'm offering you a fortune just because you help me. Sure. And again, the doubt.

Well, imagine.

Yes. And I go with him again, we get him out. You don't accept, and you don't accept. And I said, excuse me, you know what? It's very generous of you, but I have to go. Forgive me.

And at that moment, this man without a hat, who always had his hat on, he couldn't see his face well, but I have to get there, forgive me. At that moment, this man, without a shadow, who always had his hat on, he couldn't see his face very well, he started saying some weird words, like a prayer in reverse.

And everything started to feel heavier, more complex. The temperature went down a bit. You see, he lowers his temperature a little bit. You see, that's very normal with a district of apparitions. And he tells this man, well, I think I can walk with you up to here.

At that moment, Mateo turns to him and says, Mateo, I can walk with you up to here. He had never told him his name. He was obviously surprised, because he knew my name, but he never introduced me. Sure. He says, I can walk with you up to here.

Mateo looked at him again, and he realized that the shadow he didn't see on the floor was the shadow on his face. The man didn't have a clear face, but darkness on his face. The man had no clear face, but only darkness on his face. Okay, and at that moment, Mateo feels, evidently, an absolute terror. His legs freeze, his breathing starts to be much more agitated.

He wants to move, but he can't. And the man just takes off his hat and starts walking down the sidewalk. And before his eyes, the man turns into a shadow, a long shadow that projects on the floor and begins to advance over the weeds until it disappears. Obviously, Matthew was shocked.

At that moment, when he disappears, he regains strength in his legs and runs. He runs, runs, runs without stopping he gets to his grandmother's house. When he gets there, his grandmother is waiting for him. When he sees her face, he says, You found him, right?

And the other one says, Yes, you found the man who walks when Christ dies. You found the man without shadow. I said, but how do you know that? I know it by the years. Did he offer you anything?

Yes. Did you accept? No. Of course you didn't accept. Because if you had accepted, you wouldn't have come back. And you would have found yourself days later, dead in the mountains, and you wouldn't have come back. But I'm going to tell you one thing. Your big problem is that by not accepting, you're marked.

Because the man without a shadow is looking all the time for someone to replace him. And you should know that any Holy Friday you go out again, you will find him again, but this time you will not be able to resist his invitation. And when you go with him, because you won't be able to resist, you will take his role. He will be free, and you will become the new Shadowless Man.

It's literally getting someone to replace you, because it's a kind of curse. A double purpose. I think that this legend, on the one hand, if you go and accept the temptation of gold, that soul is collected in those shadows.

We could understand it that way, but there is a double purpose too. The one that supplants this man without a shadow, that soul that at some point resisted and on a second occasion came out again. So, like any legend, it has several backgrounds that need to be understood. But the one of all is the most terrifying,

the knowledge that you can find in the way that tempts you in such a great way and that at the end of the story is only a trick to take something more precious than the gold itself? The subject of temptation has always been present even in the Bible. It is mentioned how Jesus was tempted by the devil, by the adversary, who, seeing that he was hungry, said to him, you, who are the son of God, there are the stones,

it's so easy to take them and turn them into bread. You know what? Get rid of this risk. And God says that he's going to send the angels to save you. I mean, the subject of temptations has always been present. And also, in Holy Week, a phenomenon is always present that is changing.

You just told me this legend that is impressive, but there is also, I don't know if you've heard, I mean, I already told you last year, the legend of the Living Christ. It's a Christ who is supposed to be, if you prayed all year long,

you did evil to your neighbor, well, you know, right? You're going to see a Christ, but in a very gloomy facet. I mean, you see him coming down from a cross, carrying a cross,

but as if he were literally a doll. I mean, you see him and you see him coming down from a cross, carrying a cross, but as if he were literally a doll. You see him and you hear how he is dragging the cross, how he is dragging the earth, the slow steps. And well, it is assumed that whoever did good all year and behaved, and all this, Jesus is born but in your heart, you have indulgences, blessings.

And in the secret towns, something appears and of course, the devil cannot be absent. As they say, the devil is loose on Holy Week, celebrating, dancing. This was told to me by some ladies from some towns where I have visited near Oaxaca, that the devil is happy. Because he says he won, he won, he won. Well, I want to tell you a story, brother.

This story, let's see, we title it, we give it a title. It's called The Rituals. And I want to ask you a question. Have you heard that witchcraft works have more strength on Holy Week? Of course. Why do you think witchcraft and witchcraft have more power in Holy Week?

Of course.

Why do you think so, brother? It has to do, I think, with what we were talking about. Do you remember I was saying, the word portal is not necessarily the most correct, but we can say that it is a conflux of energies. Imagine that at that moment they can be channeled. Oh yeah.

And what do witchcraft works do? They channel. canalize. So imagine that there is a great current of energy and those who know how to channel it take advantage of it and can take it wherever they want. And if there is that current, let's say black, with black waters, to put it like that,

imagine what they can achieve in those times. Crazy. You just nailed it. Look, there is a guy named Ivan Salgado, I send you a big hug. La locura. for a long time in the parish of this town. He mentions that his family was not so religious, but his friends were also monks. So he saw this as an escape from being with them,

going out, being in mass. He says it was kind of boring, but it was taken away while you helped the priest and you were with your friends. So he saw the way to spend time that way. He tells us that in this town there is nothing so special, it is not a magical town, it is not a tourist place,

but it has a very peculiar atmosphere on Holy Week. And he tells us that he was very afraid of images, because in this church where he gave service, he had images that had a somewhat gloomy appearance. A table of Christ, real-sized, virgins with a little sinister faces. I mean, beyond an image of peace, of harmony.

No, I mean, they were images that had faces while they were being flagellated. I mean, you can imagine the kind of faces. And this church was full of these images. So he says that there were times when he felt that they were watching him. Especially, he says, when they started to cover them with purple fabrics. You see, when Holy Week comes, Holy Thursday,

and all these images are covered with blankets or with fabrics, they started to cover them with purple fabrics. You see, when Holy Week comes, Holy Thursday, and all these images are covered with blankets or fabrics, and the environment becomes a little more gloomy. He mentions that the strong experience occurs on a Holy Thursday. He tells us that he was in the normal morning, he did the foot bath, he did the mass, blah, blah, blah,

everything that people know. But at noon, a very well-known man from the town loses his life. Being a small town, they realize that everyone realizes, the man is found lying in his courtyard, he was a fulminant p***y.

Here goes an important thing. People in this town say that the devil is loose. So, the deaths, at that time, people normalized it. They said, ah, yes, it's because the devil is loose. They say, the next day, on Holy Friday, another person died. It was an older woman, and on Friday, another person died. She was an older woman.

And on Saturday, another one. They were always adults, and people would say it's normal, the devil is loose, you don't have to go out, you have to keep the days, blah blah blah. So, weird things were happening. This guy, named Ivan, who was always in time, he was in there, he was watching,

he says that he had already seen strange things inside the church. Especially, as I was telling you, there were times when he had to close the parish, so he had to wait for the priest to finish keeping some things, and he would just stand there, imagine, in the church, lights off.

I mean, what fear! Eleven years old and being like that. I mean, it was very scary. And he says he heard noises and above all, he says, once I would swear that a San Judas Tadeo

changed position. I mean, I swear, he tells me, I swear to you that those images had something, and indeed, they had something, and there it goes. He says, I was convinced for many months that it was my imagination, or it was my fear, or it was my fear that made me see this kind of thing.

Once, he says, inside the church, inside, people would come, elderly people, men and women, who were always there, helping, cleaning, praying, they were there. Among these people who were there, there was a lady who was very dear to the priest,

who was very dear to the pilgrims, a lady who, in fact, was a catechist. Mrs. Mercedes, as they called her, Mrs. Meche.

Mrs. Meche.

Mrs. Meche, right? Mrs. Meche, always organizing the posadas. The lady, well, a lady that I think, for example, a person died, Mrs. Meche, come and make a rosary at the house. I mean, a Dios, ¿no?

Entonces, esa vez que Iván, el monaguillo que nos manda la historia, esto ya tiene muchos años, se queda en la iglesia, dice que le llama la atención algo. Él estaba recogiendo algunas cosas, ya la gente se estaba yendo, y él se metió a una bodega a guardar unas cosas, se demoró, dice. He was packing up some things, people were leaving, and he went into a warehouse to put away some things. He took a while, he says. It took me about 15, 20 minutes. When he left, he says, there was no one left. Only Mrs. Meche was there.

But something caught his attention that he was doing. He says that especially in this image of the San Judas, which is the one he had seen before moving, he says that he was accommodated in such a way that he was lying down and this lady, as if the image was hollow,

which was made of plaster, the lady was depositing something inside the saint. And she says that he, sorry, she says that he didn't make a noise, he didn't speak, he stayed like waiting for everything. The lady put another thing, like a rag, and she says that she lifts the saint and puts him back in his place, in his base. The lady peers, she feels and grabs and leaves. He saw everything. But he said, well, he's a person who later the saints dust off,

being there for so long, they fill up with dust, or sometimes they put some here in the arm like some tapes, that I order you, that... Sure, petitions. But he says, no, he didn't do anything normal. I mean, he didn't do anything normal.

And he draws attention and says, go down the stairs, He says he didn't do anything normal. He gets up the stairs and goes to where that San Judas was. He says he takes it and puts it down very carefully. When he tries to see what's inside, he sees some eyes inside. And he says he's scared. And again, when he sees what's inside, it was the eyes of a toad.

There was a toad inside the image of St. Judas. And he says that with fear, he tries to know what it was. He realizes that he puts his hand in, all shaky, he takes it out. And it's a toad that was wrapped in a rag, I'm going to The photo corresponded to a person from the town. He said that at that moment he didn't know what to do. He goes and starts looking at the other images and he starts finding more photos, more papers.

And he finds the one of the man who had had a fulminating stroke, the one of the lady... he started finding a lot of things, brother.

But apart from that, death work, then?

Death work. There were jobs, it's called like, closing roads, salations. I mean, there were a lot of jobs, a lot of jobs, to different people in the town. He says that at that moment he is running and talks to the priest, tells him everything, and says that the priest doesn't believe him.

First, he doesn't believe him, but he says that they have to come and see all this. And they go, and there was the evidence. He says that the priest, the next day, ordered the church to be closed, everyone, all the people in the town, why not? And the priest had all the images taken out.

He says to the priest, this is no longer useful. It's already defiled, it's already contaminated. This image can no longer be here on the altar, it can no longer be in the house of God. He says that the people, the men,

came in and took charge of the images, and behind't be in the house of God. It says that the people, the men, came in and carried the images, and behind the church there was a vacant lot. It says all the images were destroyed there, and the priest began to pour holy water, to bless the church, he lit fire. It says that something was happening at that moment.

So, the images... You see, I told you they had these faces of flagellation, of suffering. Their faces were changing, brother. He, Ivan, who was there, I saw how they emitted strange noises, like strange noises, like suffering.

Their face appearance was changing. The priest was there, present. I would tell him, Father, are you seeing what I'm seeing? And the father would say, yes, it's the manifestation of evil. He says that all the people in the village found out. Mrs. Meche never appeared again.

Some say that the work returned to her work. Others say that she just left because people there are a bunch of f**kers. And if she found out, they would f**k her, of course. She left. Nobody saw her again. This lady had a peculiarity. Under her right eye, she had a lunar shape,

which was like a star a star-shaped shape. It was a moon, a little strange, right? Ivan tells us that he continued to be a monk for several years. The issue of deaths ended. The issue of people dying on Holy Week ended completely. All this was attributed to the fact that this lady,

evidently, was a witch, and she took this position in the church's task of doing things. And after several years, things were calming down. He mentions that at some point, her father, her father was given a job change, they had to move to the state of Puebla.

And he says that after several years, she returned to visit the family on the Holy Week holidays. And he says, at the mass, at the Friday mass, he says, I was sitting listening to the Holy Mass, Norman, and at the moment that the line is made for the people who are going to, like, to congregate, as they say, right?

Who are going to take the host.

Sure.

He says, there was a lady who caught my attention. A very old lady, hunched, who had a hump that covered her head and her face. He says, the lady caught my attention,

he says, I don't know why. And when he goes past me, he says the lady comes down, the hump comes down, and he manages to see a a very peculiar moon in her eye and the lady still winks at her and passes by.

She says that when she reaches the place, the lady covers her mouth and goes back. She says, Paco, I don't know why I feel this woman has returned to the town. She returned to finish what she had not finished. And if the strange thing about all this is that, yes, about ten years have passed, but the lady was not as old as the one I saw.

I mean, really, if ten years have passed, it would seem that the lady, if it is her, has been like thirty years. I mean, it was a very long aging process. And I ask him, or was it his true appearance? And you never knew.

It's the story of Ivan. What do you think? And I'm going to tell you something that has this very peculiar story. The devil loves to profile the sacred images. It's part of that evil, devilish dance of wanting to make fun of the sacred icons. So imagine this witch, the level of penetration she would have with darkness

to be able to do it in the light of day. And remember what they say, that the biggest trick of the devil is to make us believe that he doesn't exist. And well, sometimes being so evident, having him so close, makes you believe that he doesn't exist. And there we have, I mean, you see that witches were always conceived as these brides of the devil, of the adversary, etc. It has absolute congruence with what it is.

Wow!

Well, be very careful there on Holy Week with the saints they have. I have already said it many times. In fact, there are priests, brother, who mention that when you buy a saint, and I say it with great lot of respect for Catholic brothers, you have to bless your saint. You have to take it to church,

that a person, a priest, blesses it. Why? Because many times they use this, people don't do this, they don't bless the saints. They skip that step, they take it and put it in their house, they light candles, but maybe the saint is already intending it in another way, and you have a demon in your house, in your room, and you don't know it.

That's right. Or this figure, it wasn't anything, it was just a figure, but the energy that is in your house, the depression, the violence, things that can happen in any house, even if it's a bad house, things can happen. And there is also devotion to that figure. That can be a magnet for other things if it's not protected.

Exactly. So there it is for all the people who are devout and who have saints, be very careful with that. Also check the saints because then inside they already bring some things. Something a little bit turbulent, right?

Yes. What a stupid bit murky, right? Yes.

What a story, my goodness. Wow, well, look. I also have a story about Holy Thursday. And it's also here, in Oaxaca. In San Juan Mixtepec. Ah, over here.

That's right. The procession of the souls, it's called. This is a very, very interesting story. It happens to a person called Pedro Tamayo. They called him Tamayo. He is a baker. And they always told him, in the normal town,

that, hey, the days of Holy Week must be saved. But especially on Thursday, don't go near the Pantheon. It's a small Pantheon, but don't go near the Pantheon. Because spirits will pass. You have to be careful. Pedro, well, he's a young guy who really didn't believe in any of that. He thought it was old-fashioned talk,

that, well, nonsense, superstitious and all the stupid things, superstitious things and all that. It's a holy Thursday, he leaves work late,

and he had two paths to take.

One, the normal one, going home, and another one, going through the Pantheon.

And because he was so stubborn, he said, I'm going to go through the Pantheonon. I'm being sent. Nothing happens.

And there he goes, to Pedro.

He's walking.

And he feels, in effect, that the night is a little heavier. And he feels that there's something. So he's walking, and he goes to the Pantheon. And suddenly he hears a Pantheon from afar. And suddenly he hears a rumor that starts to grow and grow. And he says that he stands there, like a little corner,

looking at the entrance of the Pantheon, at a short distance, let's say about 50 meters, and he sees that people start you see people walking very slowly, but not walking normally, like they were not human movements, like maybe more fluid in some way,

and that all the figures of the people passing by were like higher. You keep looking a little more and you realize that they were very pale people. And it didn't correspond. I mean, simply because people are not white, white, I mean, white as your tennis shoes.

Sure.

White. So he kept looking and he heard that there were chants and chants, but he said, they were not ch songs that sounded like a normal song. I heard them in my head. He stayed watching a little longer and realized that the figures were carrying a coffin. How strange that on Thursday, holy night,

they are burying someone. Still a little incredible, right? But he kept feeling that strange feeling as if something was happening. And suddenly, one of those figures that are moving forward turns around and stares at Pedro.

And he says that it was very strange because when he saw the face of this person, he had no nose, no mouth, he only had eyes, or something similar to eyes. But he was staring at him. Pedro feels the blow of fear, not of terror, but of surprise, because they are seeing him, and he says that in a blink,

the figure was already standing in front of him, just a meter away, looking at him directly. That's when the terror came. That's when the explosion of fear came. So he's looking at him and he says, unable to react,

and this figure speaks to him, but again, it speaks to him, but again, without a voice. It speaks to him eternally and says, Come, join me. At that moment, Peter blinks and when he opens his eyes, as if he had been unfolded,

suddenly he is on top of the coffin they were carrying, looking towards the coffin. You see how when they talk about astral travel, when you see yourself asleep or something, well, in that blink, suddenly it was up there, looking at the coffin,

and it says that the coffin starts to open very slowly. Very slowly. When it finishes opening, after it had squeezed that wood,

the one inside the coffin was him. He was dead. It was his image of himself, seeing that they were taking him. Evidently, it was a tremendous terror. Whoever is listening to us, who has had the experience of a miscarriage, when you see yourself, it's a very strange fear.

The first thing you think is that you died. You think you died. you're really in shock. And at that moment I hear a distant voice that says, Tamayo! Like it reacts in that state of... of sobriety, of not being conscious,

and I hear again, Tamayo! And at that moment I remembers that an uncle, that he loved Uncle Toño so much, that he loved him so much, that he had died two years ago, he was the only one who called him Tamayo.

Like he called Pedro, he was Pedro Tamayo, but he called him Tamayo, or Tamayito. Tamayo. And he feels, without being able to describe how, that something grabs him by the arm,

even though he had no arm, and pulls him and turns him around. And at that moment, he sees his uncle Toño standing in front of him, like one more soul of that procession, and he says,

it's not your time. At that moment, he blinks, and he's in his bed. He opens his eyes and he's in his bed, sweating, completely with his heart out of his chest. Can you imagine his stomach?

Completely tight, but also not being able to understand what happened, because he was conscious, awake, standing in front of the Pantheon, one blink and suddenly this figure in front of him, who says, Ben, another blink, he's looking at a window that opens and it's him in that window as if he were dead.

His uncle's voice, one more blink and suddenly you're in your bed. And he says he feels like he's holding something, something very, very firm. And when he opens it, he sees that he's holding something, something very, very firm. And when he opens it, he sees it's a dick. A dick like a finger, completely ripped off.

He's terrified and throws it. So he tries to re-compose, try to understand what happened. Well, it's all a hallucination, he says, but the dick is on the floor. So he has a neighbor,

one of those women who say they know. It's very nice when they say that. The ones who know. He goes to ask her, he says, Hey, I think I had a dream. And he tells her, this happened, and this, and this, and this.

And this neighbor says, no, it wasn't a dream. What happened, it has been said many times, and in the town it is said, that you should not approach the Pantheon on Holy Thursday because there is the procession of the souls. And what happened is that you saw the procession of the souls, but you were very lucky,

because in that procession was your uncle who protected you.

But you have to protect you.

But you have to do something. You have to go for that bone that is in your house and you have to take it back to the Pantheon. And I said, but what do I do with the bone? He said, you will know when you enter the Pantheon what you have to do with that bone? But you can't keep it.

Because if you get mad, it gets worse for you. So, there goes Pedro Tamayo, grabs the bone, trembling, arrives at the Pantheon, delirious, and when he enters the Pantheon, he feels like he has to walk to one side.

He's walking, walking, and suddenly he arrives at his uncle Toño's grave. The tombstone was a little open, just enough for the bone to enter. He lets go of the bone and he just closes the tombstone. From that day on, Pedro says that the Holy Thursdays

are never brought to the pantheon.

Wow! It's funny how sometimes youth makes you make mistakes. Later on, I'll tell you a story that I find very interesting from a group of young people who were not afraid or respectful of anything.

But I want to emphasize this topic because it is also spoken, and I spoke about it a year ago, that in Easter in some towns, the famous, very famous and well-known, death cart is heard.

Oh yes.

What do you know about the Carreta, brother? Look, I did some research about the Carreta because I started to constantly listen to the myth and, in fact, the subject of the Carreta de la Muerte is very much in the center and this area of the country. And I, look, I heard a story and I'll tell it to you very quickly,

without extending myself too much, of precisely a guard of a pantheon who didn't believe in the cart of death. And obviously the cart of death one night, but I don't remember if it was on Easter, I don't know, but the cart of death comes,

a cart driver comes, which is the park, and he turns and says his name. The cart opens, the door that it has,

and when he turns to see the cart, he sees his body.

It's supposed to be the death that comes for you. For example, I bring up this topic because here, here, here, people swear to listen to the cart on Easter or when a person is going to die. You hear the horses, you hear chains.

The chains.

The chains, which is also… It's dragging, they hear chains. The chains. The chains, which is also... It's dragging, right? Exactly. Exactly. So, there are people who say that this is the area where the cart is. Look, I want to tell you, brother, another story.

This story is really, it's very strong and it happens on Holy Week. We decided to give titles to all these stories. This story is shared by Mariana, and it's called, The Exorcism in Holy Week. Let's see. Mariana sent us an email almost a year ago,

and she said, Paco, I'm going to tell you something I haven't told you for almost 20 years. What I lived, he says, is something that made my whole family become devout, that my whole family was very religious, and that above all discovered that there is beyond good, evil.

And so do I, he says. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, who lives in Puebla, she lived in the city for a long time, she studied primary education there,

and her mom said, hey, daughter, if you come with us and we teach you, and it's good that you're with us, you're not alone, and they thought it was a good idea. So the girl goes to the town with her parents, who teach her,

she's in the school where her parents are, papas quienes pues le dan clase está en la escuela donde están sus dos padres y dice la ventaja está con mamá y papá toda la semana la desventaja dicen en este pueblo que se llama san lucas está metido entre cerros caminos de tracería y parcelas aquí no había ni siquiera señal de teléfono el internet de aquí entonces pues ni hablamos o sea ni existía prácticamente todavía y dice I didn't even have a phone signal. The internet back then, we didn't even talk. It practically didn't exist yet.

And he says, we barely had a signal on a very small television, which was where my mom and dad stayed. And you only saw one channel, and in terrible quality. He says, the people here were very kind, but they had very strange habits and customs, but above all, very extreme.

You say, especially on Easter. On Easter, there was a rule for all the people of the town that they couldn't do anything. And when I say nothing, my dear Ramón, it's nothing. You can't go out, you can't work, you can't use hammers and nails.

For example, if you say, today I'm going to put a painting in the living room of my house. No, no, no. If they heard that you were doing that, the whole town would be alarmed. Because people had the belief that...

The stigmas, right?

Of course, that you were literally nailing Jesus Christ. So people had these beliefs. So, people in that town, in Holy Week, they didn't go out. They were at home, they were guarded. They went out in the morning, just to do the necessary shopping.

And there was even a curfew, brother. The very famous days of security, right? Exactly. She says that she saw all this in a very extreme way. She says, this is very extreme, this is very bizarre.

And she says that the first Holy Week that she had to live there, on Friday she was very bored. On Thursday, she decides to escape. Escape and start visiting the town in secret. Her parents, well, a little distracted, she says they didn't notice. to invite the people to hide. Her parents, well, a little distracted,

she says they didn't notice. She went out, she says, she went to see some streams that were near the exit of the town and there she came across something. She says that while walking there,

reaching a lake, she heard a woman crying. She heard a lament, a sobbing. The first time I read this, I said, the weeping woman? Of course, the weeping woman.

And it says that she didn't feel fear when she heard the woman crying. Like what happens with the weeping woman that even your bones are choked. She felt curiosity. She says that she started walking

following the sobbing woman and he got to a lake, and there was a woman who was wearing a black dress, and she was covering her head. And this woman was crying, her head down, and her hair in front. And this woman said, My son, my little one, look how they left you. And she cried and cried and cried. And she says that she was there watching her from afar.

Well, curiosity, right? And suddenly, she says that this woman realizes that Mariana is there watching her and says that she raises her gaze and at that moment she sees that her face was like, like, disheveled, and she had the tear mark,

but they were red marks. So she says that when she sees, exactly, as if it were, when she sees this face, what Mariana does is, well, little legs, why do I want them? She starts running, but she says she was running,

screaming, imagine the whole town in mourning, in silence, and suddenly the scandal of a 12-year-old girl and she started running, but she said she was running and screaming. Imagine the whole town in mourning, in silence, and suddenly the scandal of a 12-year-old girl who kept screaming. The people of the town look up, they go to their house, to their mom, their dad, and they start telling her,

I saw a woman who looked like a dead person, she had a face like this, blah, blah, blah. She says that her parents heard her and said, surely it was someone from the town who is scaring her so that people don't go out, but they didn't believe that excuse. The next day, on Saturday, she says that what wakes Mariana up, brother, is a feeling of burning in her hands and forehead.

She says that while still in his bed, he was sleeping, and he was scratching himself, and his forehead was burning, and he felt his forehead was wet, and his hands were itching, but they were also burning a lot. When he got up, he says that he saw his hands

in his palms, they were open. It's practically what we can call the famous... abiertas. Va prácticamente, como podemos llamar los famosos... Estigmas. Estigmas. Y también aquí en la frente.

Dice que sus padres la ven preocupados, no saben qué es lo que está pasando. En ese pueblo no había como tal un centro de salud, hasta otro pueblo. Así que deciden primero llevarla con un curandero que sabe un poco de medicina. to another town, so they decide to take her to a healer who knows a little medicine. And the healer said, this has nothing to do with the priest of the town.

They take her and he says that when they arrived, the priest didn't look at her with pleasant eyes. In fact, the face of the father when he saw these scars on her was of fear, was of great concern. And he said he asked to be accompanied to a room, and he started saying, tell me, how did it happen to you?

No, well, it was today, Father, it was dawn, blah, blah, blah. But what did you do? Did you do something? Did you see something? And he says, no, well, he says, yesterday, yesterday I saw a woman like this, like this, like this. He says that the father pulls out his Bible and starts reading, he says, if it bothers you, can I read the Bible? No, go ahead.

And he says that his parents were very confused and that everything was perfect until the moment came when the father begins to quote Psalm 91.

He says that the father was reading and said that Aravita, the very white coat, where the Father starts to quote Psalm 91.

He says that the Father was reading and said that the Arab, the one who wears the most beautiful garment, will dwell under the shadow of the most powerful man. He says that as soon as he starts reciting these words, he says, and Marianne, I want to read it, as she tells me, I was listening to how the priest was reading and suddenly I began to notice how his voice,

listening to it clearly, I began to hear it getting further and further away, further, further, further, further. And suddenly the focus goes out. I don't remember anything. He doesn't remember anything.

He says that his last memory is being on the floor, like on his knees, on her knees, she was sweating, she had a lot of saliva, she was salivating a lot, her mom and dad were crying, chairs were lying down, a disaster in that room. She didn't remember anything at all.

The last thing she remembered was her dad reading Psalm 91, she stops listening and everything goes out. She says that at that moment, her mother started to mention everything that happened, but everything. She says that at that moment she went to beat the priest, her own mother, it was a total chaos and at the end they managed, I don't know if to call it an exorcism, because she says that the priest told her that she was not in a complete possession.

She was still what is known as under the influence of... The influence. But it was not concrete. Otherwise, that would have been something else. She says that they arrive at the house all confused. But they don't know what's going on, brother. and I'm going to read you a story. a lavarropa, le contó una historia bien extraña y quiero leerla. Dice, años atrás, una niña del pueblo de nombre María había despertado con las mismas.

La gente creyó que se trataba de un tema de bendición, de que era como una elegida de Dios. Durante muchas semanas, no fue como ella which was the next day, for many weeks, these things began to open, they began to sprout, and it all started on Holy Week. And it says that when they opened, there was an aroma that was released,

and the aroma was like flowers, it smelled like flowers. And if there was a sick person there, the person would heal. The problem is that after this pleasant aroma, it was like a withered flower, it already stank. And it is said that this girl named Maria went to Mass, she could be in Mass. And the priest said that it was a blessing, that she was chosen by God. The priest came precisely with the Eucharist and mentions that the moment he passes by this girl,

the girl did not tolerate the presence of the Eucharist, the presence of God. And at that moment the church is closed and an exorcism is practiced there at that moment. The detail is that it did't happen like with Mariana, since the exorcism lasted for many weeks, and unfortunately, nothing was done, the girl lost her life. That's why, it is said that as soon as the priest realized about these marks, which precisely began on Holy Week. The priest quickly acted.

There was a violent scene, a very violent scene. At the end of this story, Mariana tells us, I never knew it was that woman I saw in the lake. I never saw her again. My parents asked for the change of square and we left the town a few days later.

Today, with the years, I still have no explanation. I don't know if something in Holy Week tried to stay with me and it didn't work, but I will never forget how it feels when evil is inside you. She says that the feeling is horrible. You feel trapped, trapped in your own body. You feel like you have no control and you wake up

and you've already done a lot of things and you don't remember.

And you don't remember anything. And notice that one of the entries, they say, of the demons to the bodies, is fear.

Of course.

It is precisely to provoke an extreme, strong fear that makes, let's say makes your emotional and spiritual guard go down completely and enter directly. There are some very interesting theories about nightmares. All the nightmares and all that. Notice that the origin of nightmares is very interesting because it is very common all over the world.

It repeats repeated. The big oppressors of the chest, that's what they call them, in different languages and so on. And it's just that, they say, that through dreams, bad dreams, dark dreams, dreams that trap you, that imprison your soul, your chest,

it's a way for these beings to access the bodies. Many times it's in the dream world, but other times it's like what happened right now. With these apparitions that lower your guard. The scare is so strong. What happens? What do you think that woman could have been?

I mean, I honestly, as I mentioned, I thought it was La Llorona or some other very peculiar entity, but in a black dress. There's something very interesting about La Llorona. Look, La Llorona...

There's a crazy theory, Paco, about La Llorona. If you analyze the myth of La Llorona, La Llorona, in the end, is a victim of her own jealousy, of her own insecurity, of an overflowing passion, of a deception, and that's why she kills her children. And realizing that she kills her children,

there's a great regret, and then a soul condemned for having made her children's the death of her children. There are my children. Another day we can talk about the origin of the weeping. But the issue beyond that is that there is a theory that says that this spirit of the weeping as such

would not have to be bad, would not have to do anything to you. They say there is another spirit above the cry. A worse one. One that climbed to the spirit of the cry. And that's what causes the great fear. That's why the cry of the cry, when you see it...

Why would the cry of the cry cause you fear? If it's a soul in pain? It's a soul that's truly broken. There's something else. They call them energetic shells, these horrible dark ones. They call them... They're the demons, as they say.

What does a crybaby use? And that's why when you see a crybaby, you old, which is one of the terrible things, right? Or you lose consciousness, you go crazy, or you follow the lake and you get screwed. You get lost. So, in this case, my theory about this is that I don't think so. I don't think it's the cry.

I think it's a manifestation of the una manifestación del bajo astral. Pura, dura, por la cara.

Profanando.

Eh, sí.

Profanando.

Profanando. En ese caso, yo creo a María.

Sí, claro, buscando un hueco.

Claro.

Son oportunistas.

Sí.

Por eso te dicen nunca bajes la guardia. Por eso muchos hablan de la fe, creas o no, en cualquier religión. Many talk about faith, believe it or not, in any religion. We've talked a little about that, about religions. Believe it or not, the spiritual guard is in your sense of... from the sense of honor, of virtue, of all that, are the real guards we have against these things.

When they lower the guard, we don't know the context of this girl. We don't know what was behind it. If there was a depression, if there was a situation that she was going through a moment of a lot of anger, what are the gaps that we are looking for all the time.

Yes, because practically, just the word you say, they are opportunists, they don't need to have the door open, but with a little gap, a little hole, and So, it's crazy. Oh, family, be very careful. So far, the stories have been great. Please, I want to invite you, I say parenthesis, to leave your like, subscribe too,

because these stories, I say, are very good and give us a lot of reflection and also, obviously, the issue of the bad is still present in holy times,

in Holy Week. Notice that the holy comes for the vindication.

Yes. Let's understand that it's the good that beats the evil. But there are days when evil is at par, you said it. Sure. So it's a brutal duality. Because when you talk about the proofs that the devil put Jesus

and, hey, you're hungry, make this, or jump, but the last one, I offer you everything, worship me, I offer you everything. And that's when you say, well, wait, hold. Let's see, here, dad, I only have one. But that's it.

Well, I'm going to tell you something this time about places. Okay. Because when we talk about doing this program, I said, well, it's very good to talk about what happens to people. Yes.

About the processions, for example, all this kind of thing. But what happens when there is a ghost church?

Okay.

It's a documented case in Jalisco, in a place called Villa Guerrero, Jalisco. There are several Villa Guerreros, this one is in Jalisco. In fact, it's documented in several chronicles in Jalisco. And you can see this. Whoever is watching can look up the subject of the Iglesia del Paso, it's called.

Of course. It's very interesting because it happens on Easter too. And here is another manifestation of darkness. Imagine that it takes the facade of a church. In this story, Andrés, Laura and Víctor, three young friends who liked camping.

It was Easter, we were going on a trip, we went to Jalisco, but they really liked to go to different places and so on. Andres, a very cool guy, He liked Laura. Laura, a girl, well... These bright girls, with an easy smile, very pretty, very nice. And Victor, the inseparable friend, the one who puts his face in front,

the one who takes off his shirt for the other one, and the big guy.

Sure. They're walking, precisely on Viernes Santo, and they're walking down a path to Villa Guerrero, and a sidewalk turns, and they think, look, it would be interesting to camp here. They're walking down a crack, they've been walking for a long time,

and suddenly, Laura hears some bells in the distance. And the bells. And I don't hear anything. Maybe it was my imagination. They keep walking and again the bells. And that's what the others hear.

Hey, do you hear the bells? Well, they keep walking and eventually they discover a church. A pretty church, a bit Gothic, a good size, but in the middle of nowhere. Imagine a crossroad, and suddenly a church, and Gothic.

Of course, because Gothic is generally built in cities.

Of course.

It's not unusual to see a construction like that. So they see it and hear the bells, and inside you could see the reflection of candles. So Andrés says, Hey, it's a church on a holy Thursday in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of weird, right?

And Victor says, Man, don't be... Come on! Don't be a coward. Let's get in. What else could it be? And there's probably even a coward. Let's go inside. What else could it be? Besides, there's probably a mass.

They heard something, like a noise inside. He says, let's go, I'll go in. No, wait for me. I'll go in.

And there goes Victor. He pushes the door. And Laura behind him, like a good companion, not very convinced, but she says, well, let's go. And in the end, the three of them enter. But at the moment they enter, the church becomes gigantic on the inside.

It had no aspect to it, with what it had on the outside, with what they suddenly see on the inside. Imagine a huge place with benches and benches and benches and benches, benches and a altar at the bottom and a lot of candles lit on the sides that illuminated and made these strange shadows that the fire makes.

And Victor says, look at the church, I don't know what, and the other two start to move and they move towards the altar. And suddenly they realize that the whole church, in the upper part, has a lot of stained glass. But it strikes them that generally the stained glass in a church is talking about the Passion of Christ. It's generally what the stained glass does. In this case, no. In this case, the stained-glass windows were full of people's faces, with faces as if they were scared,

as if they wanted to warn, as if their eyes were wide open, but full, completely. And there were hundreds of people portrayed around the church with these characteristics. And that stops them a little. They keep moving forward, they get to the altar, and there were people around the church with these characteristics.

And that stopped them a little. They kept moving forward, they got to the altar, and suddenly they felt very persistent looks on their backs. They turned around, and all the benches were empty. But imagine that they felt the presence of hundreds of people watching them. So, I really shocked them a little bit.

And they say, hey, I think we better get out of here. And the moment they say, we better get out of here, the candles in the background start to go out. Purely because it was a current of air that starts to turn them off, turn them off, turn them off, turn them off, turn them off. Well, people feel terror.

And at that moment, a terrible wind comes in, which surprises them and divides them. So, Andrés runs out on the left, and Laura and Víctor go out on the right, but running to the door to stay out. When they go to the middle, they feel like the atmosphere in the church is being charged

and all the stained-glass windows explode at that moment. And a rain of cutting crystals falls on them, that tear their skin, tear their clothes, they are horribly hurt, they are screaming in terror of what is happening. And Victor falls, sorry, Victor starts to move forward. Laura is the first one to get to the door, which was already closed,

and Andrés is a little behind. And the last memory that Andrés has is that he sees how Laura is trying to open the door and as if an invisible hand was pulling her hair back, she flies out to the middle of the church. Wow. And at that moment, the other friend Victor says, please don't turn around.

Don't see what's on the roof. And you see that they tell you, don't do anything. And there goes Andres and he turns around and says that it was as if the roof of the church had become a great abyss, in a black mouth that was pulling them down.

At that moment, he loses consciousness. And the next thing he remembers is being in the breach. He was lying, unable to understand what happened. His body was extremely injured, all with broken glass in his body, his clothes torn. He tries to get up and turns around and looks for his friends, but there's no one there.

He tries to see where the church is, but he can't find it either. And in that turn, in the back, he sees someone walking very slowly. Little by little, he gets closer, and it was a farmer. He grabs him, sees him,

and says, You survived. He was still in shock. He said, Yes, the church spitted on you. What do you mean the church spit on me? He said, Come on, boy, come.

He helped him, he incorporated him, he removed the glass, he healed him a little, he said, Come on, let's go to my house. He took him to my house. He takes him to his house and says, you met the ghost church.

I...

Wow.

And the other says, hey, but what about my friends? No, your friends are gone. What do you mean your friends are gone? No, man. No, your friends are gone. I, 40 years ago, No, man. and my brother wanted to go in, and we went in. And surely, inside you felt this, and this, and this.

Yes, I did. You felt the looks, the candles went out, the crystals exploded. Yes, that happened. Well, the Church also spat on me 40 years ago. It was another survivor, and it said,

don't you think this is a blessing? It makes us witnesses of his appearance and his hunger for souls. But my friends, your friends are with my brother. For 40 years, my brother has been part of those stained glass windows, and now your friends are also part of those stained glass windows.

This man goes and denounces what happened. He says goodbye, thanks him, and says, you're crazy, but he couldn't get rid of the idea

that the other one described exactly what he had seen. Yes.

And he denounces. The situation becomes very complicated, a search is made. Obviously, the main suspect is him. After a long legal process, he ends up being innocent. But the mark was already made.

Every night, after the years that followed, every time it was Holy Friday, he always said that at night, when he closed his eyes, he heard the distance. that the nights after the years that followed every time it was Holy Friday he always said that in the nights when he closed his eyes he heard in the distance the bells of that church Tum, tum

and that invariably when he managed to sleep he heard a voice saying, Andres, he woke up and every time he turned to the window, he saw Laura's reflection, and he said, Why did you leave us?

Why did you leave us?

At the same time? Yes, brother. I remember a very old story, and I remember this, about a witch who trapped, I don't know if to call it souls,

or trapped, in what way, people inside paintings. And their house... A person who comes to this house, who finds it in the middle of nowhere, in a forest,

comes to the house, it's empty, and there are a lot of paintings. But in the paintings, you realize there could be a beautiful landscape, but there was always something that had nothing to do with the painting. Imagine the landscape, a beautiful cabin, a sunrise, a river and everything is beautiful, but next to it, a person like this.

I mean... And another painting of, I don't know, a church, maybe very European, blah, blah, blah. But in the garden, another person like this, crying. I mean, in everything there was another person crying. In all of them, there was one or two people but in a situation of fear, of terror.

And they were alien to the painting, they had nothing to do with the painting.

As if it were a stamp that they put there, right?

Sure, sure. So, this story happened a long time ago because it was known that this woman encapsulated people.

It's a witchcraft work, obviously. because it was known that this woman encapsulated people.

It's a witchcraft work, obviously. Brutal. Brutal, I mean, it's very advanced. Look, brother, I like that story a lot. I had already heard of this ghost church and what usually happens. They are like these phenomena that can also occur in the forest when you're alone.

The stairs, the doors in the hills, I've talked about the doors in the hills. I mean, it's like you're trapped in another dimension, like you're stuck there. I want to end this episode with a story that is short, but it's really scary, brother. Tell me, how far does ignorance, youth, but when you're young, you ignore a lot of things, mixed with... I can't call it bravery. I'd call it clumsiness. There's a person who sent me an email, it's an anonymous story. And the email is, I shouldn't have played Ouija in Holy Week.

Holy shit. Well, well.

Bro, no, no, really.

This is really crazy. Imagine if they tell you, don't do this, don't go out, let's play Ouija. That story is really crazy, brother.

Well, it's also...

No, no, no.

You will think that probably nothing happened, or that something probably did happen, or that they contacted you. But before getting into this, I've played Ouija, everyone plays Ouija at the moment.

We know there are rules, and it's literally not a game. I always like to emphasize this, it's known as a game because it's the fame it has. It's not a game, it's not a game at all. You're really having contact with a dead person, or with an evil spirit, or with a demon.

We don't know. It's a random phone call. You don't know who's on the other side. The detail is, there's a person who tells me, how dangerous is playing Ouija, but not even closing the game well. Because you open the portal, and if you leave and don't close the game, the portal stays open. This person tells me that this happens in a town very close to San Cristobal de las Casas. In Chiapas.

In Chiapas. And he says that he and his friends, who are from this town, come from a very Catholic family, but with a lot of blood, you know? You have to have your sacraments, communion, baptism, confirmation, everything. If you get married, you go to church. They were very strict parents, and they wouldn't allow him to see series like or

cartoons like dragon ball z that is demonic, that is, imagine a person who grows up this way and I regret it a lot, it happened to me at the time too and from other religions, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Christians they start to prohibit you so many things and you are a child, so you do not know about these topics and there is a saying that goes, the more they deny you something,

the more you're going to want it. Of course. Well, he and three friends grew up that way, hating religion, hating religion. They had their sacraments, their first communion, kids between 14 and 16 years old.

They hated everything that had to do with the church. Why? Because they were forced to be there. Holy Week, for them, the holidays, well, imagine, you don't go to school, all this. But what do you think? At home they tell you not to do anything, not to go out.

And they would run away to be together. And you say, why? Because I don't go to school, all this. But what do you think? At home they tell you not to do anything, not to go out. And they would run away to be together. And you say, why? Because I don't believe in that. And you know, the rebellion. It says that in a year, specifically,

they meet at night to talk. They were one of those people from before, guys who would meet in the corner of a house, one on his bike, the other one sitting on the bench. And they were talking. This guy who sent me the story tells me, I had already played Ouija before.

I had already played it with a classmate who took it to school. I mean, this table you have is about 30 years old, brother. It's been a long time. And he says that at that time it was very easy to get a Ouija board. I say today too, but you went to a toy store, you went to whatever. Of course, there was a toy store.

Incredible. Yes, I mean, you went, there it was. And he says that they were together. He had already played Ouija and nothing had happened. He says that for me it was a lie. There you saw me trying to do it. I never contacted anyone, the cursor never moved at all.

And he says that his friends were there talking, it was Friday, Holy Friday, all closed business, they were there with a football, they wanted to play a game, and they said, hey, this is all very boring. And they started talking, tell horror stories, like, I played Ouija, and how do you feel? No, it wasn't a big deal. And hey, what day is it today? It's Friday.

And if we play Ouija, let's see what happens. And one of these friends said, no, no, no. I'm not going in. I'm not going in. And he said, come on, man said, no, no, no, no.

I'm not going to get involved.

I'm not going to get involved.

And he said, come on, man, you're not fed up. We're in the church all the time. They force us. I mean, let's play.

It's okay.

But we're going to do it right. We're going to do it in front of the church. Because the church where they do it had gardens in front of it. And even though the church was closed, you could enter the gardens, be in the territory of the church.

And he says that's where the issue begins, of no, you're this, you're that, if you don't get in, the pressure, and everyone gives in. And he says, well, let's play. Who's got the Ouija?

No, I have one.

Let's play.

He says they have the Ouija, they're there and they're embarrassed because people are passing by, they don't want to be seen, like they're hiding. It was around nine o'clock at night,

the church was closed, and they start playing. That person who sends me the story says, I had already played WIHA and nothing had happened, not even the cursor moved. But that day it really seemed like another level. From the moment one wonders if there was someone present, that is, like a movie, they're not slow movements, no, no, no. It's like a whoosh, a yes.

And he says that they laugh, but it's like this nervous laugh between, ha ha, you saw it, it moved. I mean, it's a laugh with fear. And he says that one of them says, are you sure we're going to do it, that it's going to be done? Yes, well, we're here, let's see what happens.

Okay, if there's someone, right? And he starts, you're a man, you're a woman, and fast, man. And they're like, it's a joke, you're moving it. No, no, no, come and do it yourself. And he says that the four of them were passing by and with the four Benji, hazlo tú. Y dice que los cuatro fueron pasando y con los cuatro se movía.

Y los cuatro estaban así de, te lo puedo creer, o sea, de verdad. Empieza y empiezan a hacer más preguntas y más preguntas. Y llega un momento donde le dicen, ¿cómo te llamas? La palabra que forma el cursor is the word Jesus.

Okay?

How old are you? And it goes and points twice. Three.

Number three.

God.

33. And they look at each other like this, incredible, they were already scared to that point, but a little incredible, a little...

It's...

It could be... And one says, it's probably... It's probably Jesus. We're probably contacting Jesus. Jesus. And he says they keep asking questions.

An Alexa turned on over there. Go ahead. An Alexa turned on and I didn't say anything. Jesus. and it started to look like someone was looking at him. And they asked him, Jesus, are you the one making noise inside the church? And he said, yes, it was him. And he said, okay, you're moving things. And they, scared, kept asking questions. By this point, half of the friends didn't want to continue.

They didn't even want to touch it. They said, close it, please close it. And there was a moment where this guy who was insistent, who was playing and playing, he said, where are you now? Where are you? In hell.

He says that when they read that word, hell, No. You don't have to do that. You can't end a Ouija session like that. We've talked about it many times. The next day, the owner of the board, the kid who suggested playing, takes it. The person who shares this story with me is one of the friends who is playing,

who was one of the most fearful, and he said, I had played Ouija, but nothing had ever happened. That time it was clear to me that it would happen. The problem is that the owner of the Ouija, the one who had brought the Ouija, they stop seeing it.

It happens on Thursday, Holy Friday, on Saturday, Glory, sorry, they don't see it at mass, at church, his friend doesn't show up, he's on his holidays, he's not seen at school.

What happened? Where is he? And he says that they're going to visit him at his house, and his mom says he's been sick. They go in and say that he had a high fever, he hadn't been able to sleep, he had influenza, etc. But he confesses something else.

He says that when they're in the room with him, he says, close the door, please. They close the door and he finds his legs. He says, look, he says that all his legs had like little ulcers. He said, What enters his room has fingers, hands, feet, and has a crown. He says, he crawls, walks, I mean, he doesn't walk in a way...

He crawls. He crawls, but he gets up, he reincorporates a human silhouette, and you can see a crown, he has a crown, but he starts to f*** me in his dreams. He f***s him. And when he wakes up, he has these ulcers. The guys say that they were very worried

to see how his health was losing. And I don't know if you've had to talk about when you get cured of fear, why you have to scare you? This guy says that they think that the people got scared for something, and they didn't cure it.

And that's why they die. Because the guy started to get thin, to suck. But they say he started to suck on the bones. They started to mark his face a lot. He had more ulcers on his legs and arms. Until at some point, this guy, at the end of the story, says,

my friend is dying. My friend is dying. We don't know, he says, what to think. If it was because he had to get sick and that's how it had to be, or it was part of what we did that night in that church. So it's like, don't do this

because you don't know what could happen. What do you think, brother?

That's crazy. Besides, two things I remember. Well, one of the most famous horror books and also one of the most famous horror movies, and also one of the most iconic horror movies, is The Exorcist. Remember that it starts with a Ouija board.

At the end of all that is an invocation to Pazuzu, who finds him somewhere else. This demon arrives and everything we know about the story of this happens. In this novel they portray what can happen if you leave a channel open. And it's tremendous. novela terry tratan lo que puede suceder si dejas abierta un canal y está tremendo y lo segundo es los espíritus que se arrastran en demonología eso es clásico todo lo que se arrastra por el piso y se reincorporan un momento es una ent an entity of the terrible astral, the darkest.

Now imagine what perversity to adopt the image of the teacher. I mean, we always see how the figures, the perspective of the religious figures, I've never heard of that. I once talked about the movie The Conjuring, the nun, we know that it's the demon Balak. In Demonology, in Elasgoetia, in the key of the menorah of Solomon,

Balak comes as he is. In fact, he's like an angel, he's like a child, but mounted on a dragon. But, obviously, he's a prince of hell. He's a prince. He has, at his mercy, legions of demons.

And, well, he commands over them. So, just when people say, we see Balak because he's a monk, and this and that, the movie also explains it to you, but it also has this part of the real.

Balak is known as Balak the profane. A profane. He's so strong that

he doesn't attack normal people,

let's call it that, the child, that doesn't interest him. The demon Balak, what he seeks is to attack people in holiness, that's why there are chronicles where nuns were possessed by Balak. So the nuns saw another nun, and this demon felt so powerful that he said,

I can defile a figure like a nun, and I can dress as a nun, nothing happens to me, and I attack those who are there. So there was a moment where a nun, I don't remember the name, it was a very long name. At the time I read it, Maria Concepcion and blah, blah, blah, blah,

of the nuns who were possessed in convents. And it was a terror in those years, I'm talking about many years, but that's where the name of Balak came out a lot. And it is precisely the desecration of holy images. But imagine, I don't know what level of demon if a prince like this has.

Take the figure of Jesus. Sure. My mother, what are you taking? A woman, after all, is a woman, yes, a devotee, etc. A priest as well. Using saints as your first story, well, okay, it has to do with the profanation of the image,

but using the figure of Jesus is crazy.

Sure, and like the story I told you, that Jesus is told, that they see him walking, also carrying his cross. I mean, why do they use these appearances?

Holy Week would be for be because of that death.

Of course. Because of Jesus' death, and they use the element to make this brutal. I mean, they're very romantic in occupying... I mean, what is this? So to speak, of course. Very exact.

A perverse romanticism, right? Dark, malevolent. Yes, exactly.

What madness.

No, no. No, those stories were like, flying in the air. How did you like it, brother?

Wonderful, wonderful. Really, apart from that, the conversation was very fluid, and that's what it was about. I also hope that we have managed to get people to have good stories.

Of course. I said it when I started the podcast, talking about stories from Of course. I said it when I started the podcast, talking about History of the Holy Week. It's our special, that we really like to prepare. A lot of people wait for the Holy Week special. What an honor.

Because there are a lot of stories and it's an honor to have you here with us. Before we say goodbye, please remember us, the projects you have, and of course, please, the books that are already available so that people can buy them. Thank you very much. I am working on social networks, you can find me as Ramón Valdez with that, Elizondo. In all the networks I am like this, we share all the time, legends, stories, a lot that has to do with pride in our culture, with pride in who we are.

We obviously also explore themes of mystery, themes of terror, of course. I tell you that we have a baby called Espejo Negro, the podcast of legends. It's a podcast, a very different format. It's a format where I tell a legend.

It's very simple. We talk a little about the context of the legend, then a narration of the legend is made, which is animated, and in the end we make conclusions from it. And it has another section, this comes out on Thursdays, and on Mondays it comes out where we read some stories that people send us, which is the favor of doing it. In a very simple way, we read them and that's it. And we are very happy with that. We have a year to have started the project.

There we go, little by little. And the books, well, I am a fantasy writer. I have a saga called Black Flower. It's a saga that I've read very, very well. It's a saga based on Mayan myths and legends. Okay.

Of course there is Mayan demonology. Of course there are dark Mayan beasts, you will find them there. You will know one of the greatest mythologies in the world, the Maya. It is ours by inheritance, so it is something very beautiful. You can find it in any bookstore, the chain bookstores in all of them, there it is, Flor Negra.

In fact, the third book is already coming out.

It is being sewn. It's being sewn, so we're very happy about that. And on the other hand, there's a book called Hotel California, which is a horror book based on the song Hotel California. This mythical hotel, right? It's a story about a lock-up, you can find it too.

And we're working on that. We're very happy. And Paco, thank you very much. Thank you very much for this opportunity to talk to your people. And also, knowing that it is a special of Holy Week, that you trusted in what I could bring you,

is for me an honor, man. Really, an honor. Thank you very much.

Thank you, brother. Thank you, really, with all my heart. To the whole family that that finishes these episodes. I thank you. Before leaving, we only ask you to leave your like, subscribe, go to the social networks that our brother Ramón has so you can see the work, the quality of the legends he brings. And of course, if you would also like to hear

this next part, I wait for you on our website. You can't miss it there. My name is Paco Arias and I'll see you later. Until next time. Bye. We'll see you later. Until next time. Ciao. and the back was completely ripped off. As if they had ripped off the skin from the back. And that day, it is assumed that the pacts

are sealed completely and effectively, also occupying innocent blood spilling, also occupying a lamb, which in this case is not an animal, it is just as innocent.

It's the devil's cloak, a cloak made of burned and torn skin of young people with whom the devil is in the air. But it's the public's f***ing. The navel gets f***ed up, and that's where the f***ing comes from. and that's where the f***ing comes from.

It's crazy.