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‼️El MENCHO HA MUERTO‼️| 🔴El OPERATIVO MILITAR que NO tiene sentido

‼️El MENCHO HA MUERTO‼️| 🔴El OPERATIVO MILITAR que NO tiene sentido

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of of If it is true that they ended up abducting him, I think they betrayed him. In the end, who betrayed him? The same government. By official means, 2,500 elements of the Mexican army arrived to reinforce the security lines here in Guadalajara and also in all the other municipalities of Jalisco. And in the course I did, I didn't see a single unit

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of the Mexican army, a single unit of the National Guard. But speaking of armed forces, they shone for their absence. In case that man had been missing, he was already living, not at this moment, but for about a year now, there is already this internal tension

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of who will take command of the organization if he is missing. But I think, Gafe, that if this operation, as you mentioned, the federal government was successful, I don't think so, Gaffey. Why? Because they didn't think about what would happen next. I think that man died of illness. It was well known that he had been sick for a long time

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and it was well known that all this year, that the whole of 2025, was a health crisis. If I take action, something is going to happen to me, and if I don't take action, they're going to arrest me or they can run me over. It was an uncertainty because most of the elements were not prepared for what was happening. Welcome to one more episode of your podcast behind the scenes of Gaffey423 and El Buen Plasti. Carnal, how are you? How has it been? A video that we had not planned to come to record, but before starting with what is the international note, because

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this is already at the international level. How are you? Well, thank God, Gaff, in're fine, happy to be here recording this episode But I miss Gaff, I miss how the day felt, how it felt yesterday I don't know, I felt weird, the day felt weird A lot of wind, a lot of silence, you couldn us or the dogs, Gaffe, but on the other hand, feelings found, because you know that many of your companions are at that moment, trying to restore peace again.

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To survive, bro, a lot. In our state, because of how it got. And that feeling of, at the moment, you wanting to be there too, trying to help, but on the other hand you turn around and see your family and you feel that peace of mind that for some reason you're already there. Yesterday I was thinking about it, I said, I know that many of my colleagues are currently working,

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I'm worried about many of them that I respect, but it was what I thought. At least I am lucky to be here with my family. Many of them would like to be here at this moment, also with their families, giving them that peace that everything will be fine. Well, I had to be the chosen one, to be able to be with my family and not have to be risking my life so that people can be at peace. That's right, as you mentioned, the environment feels strange, it feels tense here in Guadalajara.

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We are recording a day after all these events happened, it is Monday, February 23, and things seem worse than than the pandemic. I can assimilate it in that sense that I walked the streets of the metropolitan area every day in those moments of pandemic and the city feels exactly the same, very little traffic, people you don't see on the street, the establishments are all closed,

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you try to order something through one of these platforms, and absolutely all of them are out of service. I feel a very bad panic on the part of people, you understand? I think it's been more than 10 years or 10 years since the last similar situation here in Jalisco, but not to this level that we are living at the moment for example where I live if you see one that another store that is open but they are

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stores that almost no longer have supplies and huge lines to be able to buy what is necessary all right now that I was coming to the studio it it looks like a mess, everything is alone, you don't see very few vehicles, you only see one or two open gas stations and rows of people who want to charge their gasoline or buy their supplies so as not to leave, but the situation is worrying, in fact, when I was, at least yesterday, we were informed by official media that 2,500 elements of the Mexican army arrived to reinforce security tasks here in Guadalajara and also in all the other municipalities of Jalisco. And in the course I did, I did not see a single

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unit of the Mexican army, a single unit of the National Guard, nor of the municipal police, only those I saw who are there taking risks, are the state police who are patrolling the streets, but there is very little security in our metropolitan area of ​​Guadalajara. That's right, look at that, since yesterday we have been seeing it, and out there, as many of you will know, we have quite a few colleagues in different corporations, from the municipal level, state level, here in the state of Jalisco. And the information we have, because everyone brings the same information,

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is that when this situation began to take a strong turn here in the metropolitan area, when the clashes began in all the intermediaries, there was an order that all the elements of public security, that is, the respective municipal corporations, they turned these orders to be protected, that they get into their respective bases and not leave there.

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Be careful, we are talking about elements of the municipal police, of everything that is around it, what is the metropolitan area. The only ones we saw operating strongly or the patrols were the State Police. It was something very strong, as you well know, to start with what the note has been, I think it is too much to address everything that we already knew since yesterday, that there was an operation by the Armed Forces, more specifically, at least the Secretary of National Defense is making mention that

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who carried out the operation were elements of special forces in the company of the Special Force of Immediate Reaction of the National Guard. They carried out an operation in which they gave with the parade or where the leader of the four letters was, Nemesio Oseguera Cervantes, alias El Mencho, and in this place they had a confrontation. It is said that there were six people in this place, we are talking about the location being Tapalpa. The information that has been coming out in these

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hours, it is said that they fought with this man because out there a sentimental couple of this man because they fought with her and they did the work of intelligence and they fought with the leader of the four letters that this is the official version Later we will give our opinion about what is happening but that's where a confrontation arises from elements of the

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special forces where this man ends up injured in the company of other people and they end up being arrested, captured and taken to Mexico City. It is said that in the course of the road, or on the way to Mexico City, the four-letter leader loses his life and begins to take his remains to the capital. It is said that they already gave, well, the person's identification was made, they say that indeed it is, now they are waiting for the whole process to deliver

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what the body is. As a result of that, as everyone already knows, not only the metropolitan area of Guadalajara, but there were different states. I think there were 11 states where extreme violence arose, including Tamaulipas, it reached the border. But I can talk about what happened in the metropolitan area, how we experienced it, the Tapatíos. We know that Puerto Vallarta,

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which is three and a half, four hours from here, from the metropolitan area, experienced too strong situations. Why? Because of an answer from the organization, an answer for having shot down its leader. And right now we are experiencing moments

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of agony, of uncertainty. All the cover-ups. We don't know what's going to happen. Those of us who are more involved in the issue of security and understand the dimension of what just happened, unfortunately we are talking about not celebrating the fact that they have overthrown this leader. It is quite the opposite. Why? Because we know what is coming in terms of security. We know that the country is going to live at least, I believe, its worst five years. I think that the Kuliakanazo, what they are currently living

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in Sinaloa, will be short compared to what is going to happen now with the loss in the organization of the four letters and that there are people who really want that position and do not want to leave it for a bloody issue or a matter of inheritance. So, I think that the situation in the organization is very good. of the four letters and that there are people who really want that position and do not want to leave it for a bloodthirsty issue or a matter of inheritance as we know it, then it is a critical moment because this problem, this problem that we are talking about, this internal tension in case that Lord would have been missing, because he was already living, not at this moment, but for about a year now. There is already this internal tension of who will take command of the organization if he is missing.

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Because we know that this man was in a very delicate situation in terms of health. And everyone knew that at any moment he could leave this world. And this was the delicate part, because everyone wanted the throne but we know that things move in different ways and whoever was designated was not perhaps to the liking of all those other leaders and this was generating those internal friction within the same organization and this reinforces because it was said or heard that the same leader approved that one of these people was the one who would take power after he was gone, but there are things that are heard and cannot be said in the end, but it was not like he could put whoever he wanted to designate.

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In the end, it had to be something more of a bloodline than an organization. So, this is the delicate part. What's going to happen with the organization? I feel that there's going to be an internal fight. But before we start with what could happen and what's being generated, and above all, how real this operation was, how real it is. First of all, I would like to know, Plasti, how do you feel after

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hearing this note, when they start to download the information, what do you think at that moment? Well, I think that when I start to see what is happening, that there are drug blockades, that there are confront trafficking, that there were confrontations. At the time, we started to download information, we started to make calls, to send messages, to know what was happening.

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Initially, it was said that it was another leader who had been arrested. That's right. We waited, as many people know, they were told that it was Julianito, and at the time they uploaded that he had been captured, but we were waiting for the information to be more real, to be able to tell you through social media, this is happening because it was for such a person, there was this arrest, because first we have to confirm it from several of our contacts. But it was something very difficult, Gafe. Why? Because everywhere, not only in the metropolitan area of Jalisco,

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there was a complete chaos. Thank God, people knew how to react quickly. People knew that they had to protect themselves at home and not go out at all. I think that also helped a lot so that things gradually calmed down. But I think, Gafe, that if this operation, as you mentioned, in the federal government was successful, I think not, Gafe. Why? Because they didn't think

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what was going to happen next. I think they had as an example what happened in the Culiacanazo and there was no reaction, that is, there was no plan of what was going to happen next, maybe it would have been that security was reinforced more in the metropolitan area in Jalisco, which was where the strongest reaction was going to be, but it was null, because while this whole situation was happening, the presence of elements of the Mexican army was not seen, the presence of elements of the National Guard, only those who were doing the work of trying to contain this type of attack were the

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state police, some police officers, for example, of Zapopan, who continued patrolling the elements of the prosecution, who unfortunately in the official figures one How will they feel in those moments of uncertainty, fear, that they don't know what's going on? I think that's a very important question. I think that's a very important question. I think that's a very important question. I think that's a very important question. How will the elements of the police feel in the metropolitan area? How will they feel in those moments of uncertainty, fear, that they don't know what's going on?

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Because this is not a secret of voices. All the elements of the metropolitan area know that the organization is present and that the organization is not bothered. This is not something that, let's say, only we know. Who is involved in the issue of security, who has been a police officer, knows that everyone is aware of what is happening. As we have said many times, 80%, 85% of the corporations are not involved in problems, they do not work for the organizations, but they do have to do what their high command is and that suddenly that same organization that you were protecting is attacking you now. Imagine how the elements of public security felt.

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You don't know what to do Garfield, at that moment. Imagine yourself as an element that thinks, I attack, I don't attack, because if I attack, tomorrow they will go to my house. Why react? Why shoot? Why was there that reaction?

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So it's like they leave you between the sword and the wall, what you should do. Because in that moment, when everyone is asking for support, when the orders are being turned around, when everyone is leaving, it's like you're left wondering what you should do. If I act, something will happen to me, and if I don't, they will arrest me or they can take me to the police. It was an uncertainty because most of the elements weren't prepared for what was happening. There wasn't a plan of, we have to react in case a situation like this happens.

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I think that the Culiacanazo, not only for Jalisco but for the other states, had to have been the breaking point for the police, the army and the national guard to develop a plan in case it happened again in any other of the states. And it wasn't like that, we saw that they only saw it happen, but they didn't get used to it. If you start to analyze, if you put yourself in a neutral situation, brother, I think it's very difficult. I have lived it, I understand it today from different perspectives, as I saw it at the time.

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Why? Because I have said it on many occasions, the null information. The null information that the high military commands provide to the elements that are on the ground, that are going to carry out the operation, because I have lived it, brother, I have lived it, not only in a stage on its conventional side, I also lived it as a special operator, and the information that comes to you is null, for saying, we do not get any information, we simply go, we operate and we are on the ground, so it is quite complicated to be able to operate in this way, but you also understand that if that information exists, we live in a country that unfortunately corruption has reached stratospheric levels at the end of the day if something goes down in information it is very likely that it will reach the ears of the person you are going to try to stop or you are going to try to beat

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so that's why you also understand that the different dependencies are not coordinated but they are also not coordinated even between themselves, so when the operation is carried out to try to capture the leader of the four letters, because what happens? Well, in the end, unfortunately, we would say colloquially, they caught everyone shitting, absolutely everyone, and we can see it in the end, unfortunately, and we would say colloquially, they caught everyone shitting, bro. Absolutely everyone, and we can see it in the different videos of units, or highlights, which are the highlights,

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small units that are grouped in one place to fulfill specific missions. In the end, it can be a highlight of 30 elements, 35 elements that are in X town, in X city, performing patrol activities, among other activities that they may be developing. We saw what the organization's response was and it was a coordinated response, it was a simultaneous response. We all saw that it started or started at the same time, that is, all the

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operations to be able to attack those strategic points that the organization already had, started at the same time, so there was no way to say, well, it is heard that they are attacking the base of Lagos de Moreno, it is heard that they are attacking the base of 92, that is, let's see, put alerts for anything, it just started the attack. I wanted to ask you, Gafe, why there is still that ignorance by people, because I saw that many people

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commented on Facebook, why if we have so many battalions, for example in Zapopan, why the elements of the army did not come out, why in the bases of the National Guard they do not come out to react. Here I am going to answer the elementos del ejercito porque en las bases de la guardia nacional no salen a reaccionar. Aquí les voy a contestar el por qué no, porque ustedes pueden ir a un batallón a cualquiera que se les ponga ahorita o se les cruce en la cabeza. Si van al, estamos hablando de la zona metropolitana de Guadalajara, en la zona metropolitana pues tenemos al 14 and the 4th battalion of combat engineers. The 4th VIG is not an operational battalion, unfortunately and with all due respect, they are not operational. The 14th Infantry Battalion,

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which is the only operational battalion that we have within the metropolitan area, if you go to your barracks, there is never staff. If there are 30 elements who are the ones who are on guard, if there are, I don't know, 15 services, between the writers, the archivist, all the services that are on the part of the command, we are talking that if in the battalion there are 60 elements, it is too much, brother, because the bulk, the operational, that is, the war men, we are talking that the services, if they have

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a distraction, but they're services, after all, they're for other things, that if they get them to operate, they go out and operate, after all, they have training, but for them to dimension what it is and who are the ones who are inside a battalion. 300 elements, 400 operational elements, they're not in the battalion, they're distributed throughout the state of Jalisco,

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throughout the state of Colima, throughout the state of Zacatecas, throughout the state of Nayarit, because the sector of responsibility of the 14th Infantry Battalion is too wide, so the Castrense staff is never in place, and I tell you because I belonged to the 14th Infantry Battalion, I can tell you how the structure is, but not only does this happen in the 14th, if you go to the 9th Infantry Battalion in Sayula, you will find the same, if you go to the 79th Infantry Battalion, you will find the same, the bulk of the staff is always deployed in their responsibility sector, carrying out operations, then military presence by the battalion of the metropolitan area is not there. Here the rare thing is that supposedly at least in the metropolitan area there was talk that there were approximately 1,500, 2,000 elements in the metropolitan area.

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It is said that there were more than 4,000 deployed in the state of Jalisco. I mean, as a reinforcement, we are not talking about the local troops that are the ones that have a presence throughout the state, as we already talked about 14, 79, etc., etc. We are talking about external battalions to the 5th military region, they come to support that, so I did not see a presence, honestly, in all the videos and in everything we were seeing, that we were aware of, really the presence in a metropolitan area, speaking of a metropolitan area, at first, it was had by the Guadalajara police and the state police, and in their surroundings the Q'eqpaq, etc., but their different corporations,

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at first, until they were protected. But speaking of armed forces, they shone for their absence. Right, Gafe, because on the other hand, for example, elements of the state, we know that in the metropolitan area, those who are known as the Metropolitan State Police, are very few who are deployed. Most of the bulk of the State Police Force is the regional police that are deployed in the municipalities of Jalisco.

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What my colleagues from the state police told me is that all those who were resting were told to go to their different bases to get operational. And that's how the attacks started. From 10 in the morning, the reaction we saw from the began to be controlled approximately between 3 and 4 in the afternoon because it was when they were able to regroup among all of them and begin to react to all this type of attacks that were being carried out. But changing a bit, in the official version, there is talk of the arrest of the leader of the Jalisco Cartel Cartel. In the morning, the secretary told us that he was only being taken care of by his first security ring, which were very few people who were watching him.

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You participated in an operation of this magnitude, Gafe. How true do you think that a person, because we have seen it, for example, of head of the square, regional heads, who bring whole convoys of people who are taking care of them, we are talking about approximately 60, 80 people who are taking care of a person. Now talk about the leader of the most powerful organization, not only in the country, but in the world, because that's how the United States classified him, to be only cared for by 7, 10, 15, 20

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people at most for his first ring of security. How true do you think this really is? Do you like conspiranoics? Does the plasticist like conspiranoics. In fact, when you mentioned me, or you are mentioning this, that how true it can be that a very small security ring, I mean, in my mind I am making fun of it, I tell you honestly, I am laughing at what they come to tell us, you know? I mean, I think that at least if we see it from this point, the government has understood that the Mexican is no longer so stupid. That is, the lies are no longer believed, from the chupacabras to the escape of Chapo Guzmán in a laundry cart,

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to that Hollywood-style propaganda video that we saw of Operation Black Swan to capture Chapo Guzmán. Every time the government knows that the Mexican is no longer swallowed by those lies. So, I at least feel, if we go now, outside of the official version, what everyone is listening to, what we have all heard, there are things that do not fit within this roll, like to start what you just mentioned with a small security ring, old man for all those security experts, all those experts who come out in the different

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news, to all of them with a lot of respect I say it, everyone brings their own idea and like other content creators they have a very superficial idea because they think that everything is as the government paints it, as the government does not tell it, that everything that the government tells us are the official versions, because unfortunately they are very wrong, I say it personally, I think that the vast majority of them cannot say, I at some point participated in an operation to try to capture that man.

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I think that of all those experts in the field of security, no one has experienced a situation like that to say or tell me otherwise, you know? I personally can say that on one occasion I participated in an operation to try to stop that man. And bro, I have post-traumatic stress from that shit, man. For some reason I go to the psychologist and you know it, bro. Because I have a lot of shit in my head related to that, bro.

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And you better than anyone else know it. So, in that operation, bro, we lost more than 40 elements, man. Special operations. We lost more than 40 elements of special operations and the federal police, I mean, they brought 20 people, bro. They brought a team of 50 trucks full of special operations, it was not just any asshole we ran into that time.

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I mean, I think that in the end, I have said it many times, when we were informed at the the They are shooting at each other with special forces elements from the United States, from Guatemala, from Mexico, and this is the team that brings. Imagine the dimensions to say your personal guard, your personal guard. 50 trucks full of pure special operators from different countries, pure special operators and you tell me that it only came with a small security ring? I do not believe it, bro. a I don't believe this version. Since I started to hear that this is the official version, I say, Salvo, it doesn't fit me, bro. It doesn't fit me the operational capacity that at least I know, and that you know, and that many elements that we have been in the armed forces know. It doesn't fit us. Go and ask Chiluda if they think that there would be a version that would be more effective. I know and you know and that many elements that we have been in the armed forces

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We know it does not fit us, go and ask Chiluda if you think he would have a small ring circle of security

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We are people who did not know each other being in the active but we coincided in the same operation so at the end of the day he can also tell you if he believes that the official version of the government is the real one, brother, from there something no longer begins to fit me, you say because it is very rare we see a mega operation but I am very honest, I expected more, I expected the reaction to be even more violent, I imagined it was going to be hell and it was, but I think I don't know, it was something very selective, the attacks were, I don't know, like to make noise, like to, I don't know, I could say, at least I don't feel like it was real as such. I think that if we talk about it in one of the versions that they did beat him,

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there is another version in which I say, I don't think they beat him. But if we go to the one where they beat him, if it is true that they ended up beating him, I think they betrayed him. In the end, who betrayed him? The government itself. abatiendo, creo que lo traicionaron. Al final de cuentas, ¿quien lo traicionó? Pues el mismo gobierno. ¿Por qué? Yo lo he dicho en algún otro momento, he tenido la oportunidad de conocer a personas de diferentes organizaciones. Yo no soy de

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ni de una ni de otra porque luego llega la gente y es que tú hablas y parece que estás defendiendo a los menores, pero luego ven otro vídeo porque no son and it's that you talk and it seems that you are defending the minors, but then they see another video because they are not people who see the content of GAF and suddenly a person that the algorithm recommends one of my videos and does not know everything I think from the most neutral point, then they see a video and it's not that you are defending the people of the hat, no bro, we talk what is neutral and I have had the opportunity to meet people from that world without me knowing that they are people from that world until I feel the eggs in my throat. Because in the end, this is something that I have never denied to my audience. I have already encountered problems of this type and fortunately I believe that always staying in a fairly neutral line, without saying what is not, just to please. I think that sometimes it ends up hurting what you end up talking about, because we are throwing more than we can see at the government. But it is that in reality, corruption comes from the government, if we see it from that point. At some point I met someone who told me, you're wrong in one of your stories.

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Oh, shit. I mean, well, depending, right? If it's a reaction, I don't know, when I react to notes, I'm reacting to a note. I mean, I give my opinion about what could have happened. No, no, no, a story of yours, yours, it's a experience that occurred to you. How am I going to make a mistake in my own story?

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Yes, that's how it was. How do you look for someone? You make it look like you're looking for someone you can't find when everyone knows where he lives, when the president goes and eats there, when governors go and eat there. How do you say you're looking for someone who really knows where he lives? So, that's the other version. That's the part you don't know. The agreements that the government has with the different organizations.

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So, you start to see things from different perspectives, bro. And honestly, I don't really get that story that this whole mega-operative I think it was more than anything, I feel like a smoke screen. I think that if they really beat him, I think they betrayed him. I think that he really didn't feel or didn't know that they were going to get to him that way. And if that happened, I think it was more because of betrayal of some politician with whom he already had some agreement. That he had that freedom to negotiate.

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And I tell you this because the fact that they say that he was in Tapalpa carrying personal activities, I know it from good sources, that the leaders of the organization were all, you could say, guarded by what is happening with the Güeros. Nobody wanted to have problems, that is, everything we were seeing that the gringos drones that had been with the stop of several of the houses, that was true, then this had made them extremize measures to be able to do this, so that suddenly you say, they were as if nothing, when everyone brings the pressure of what is happening with the Güeros, is what I do not fit.

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Security analysts mention, Gafe, about 15-20 days ago, it was approved by the Senate for a team of Navy SEALs to enter to train Navy SEALs. They say that they participated in that operation, which is why the operation was a surgical success, and it was a success because they were there and were the ones who ended up defeating, along with the special forces

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of the Mexican army. How true do you think this version is?

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I don't know, there are versions that people try to twist and it is a coincidence, as I saw a post by Ricardo Sabenas Pliego that said, coincidence, stop El Chapo on February 22 and beat Mencho on February 22. Coincidence, I'll leave you here. I saw a post about him and it could be coincidence, right?

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Because I don't believe in El Chapo. I don't think it's been like people think. But coincidences in this world are very bad. I think that in the end, you can't say it was the SEALs, just because a SEAL team came in. I think that in the end, what the Mexican government least wants, at least the Mexican government,

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is to say, we had support from foreign operators on Mexican soil, which is what the government wants the least. So if they already knew that an operation of this type was approaching, they would not allow the access of SEAL teams to carry out training practices and marine elements. Why? Because you don't use it, bro. You don't use it. You don't use it to make all that noise so that it enters, that is, to ask for approval from the Senate, so that these elements enter to carry out training, because in the end it is for that, for training of the Navy, because if it were really for an operation, bro, those who operate here in Mexico do not occupy permission from the Senate, don't be assholes, those people have been operating for more than a decade with all tranquility here in the country and have been accommodating for more than a decade. no ocupan permiso del senado no sean pendejos esa gente lleva más de una década operando con toda tranquilidad aquí en el país y se alojan desde hace más de una década aquí en el país y no estamos

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hablando desde tiempos de de obrador no vamos más atrás llevan más de una década imagínense aquí operando o sea decirles dos décadas es se me hace poco que están esas personas operan con total I mean, to tell them two decades is not enough. Those people operate with total freedom in the country. So, if there was participation of foreign elements, believe me, they were not the ones who entered with permission from the Senate. They are the ones who climb fences and black suburbs and no one sees their faces during the night. They are the ones who see the light when they go out to operate.

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It is them, it is them who carry out those operations, not those who asked for light when they go out to operate, it is they, it is they who carry out those operations, not those who asked for approval from the Senate. So take care of it, this is not how people think. I mean, here are people clandestinely operating from different units, highlights, because they are highlights that last nine months here in Mexico, but people usually think that there are no military here

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So if you ask me if there was gringa participation, I do think there could be gringa participation but I say again, not those who entered the Senate, those who always end up supporting different operations Not those who approved the Senate,, finally, on behalf of this question, we must not minimize the level of operativity on behalf of the Mexican special forces. We don't occupy the gringos, because in the end, the only thing that makes a lot of difference between a gringo and a Mexican is their technology, but we are very good special operators,

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we have a lot of experience, we have more than 20 years of experience in our own land. We know how to deal with drug trafficking. The only difference is that they don't let us operate. It's as simple as that. Corruption is bigger. They don't let us operate. Because if you let the dogs of war go, you make a mess.

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You make a real mess, as we've already seen. As in two occasions, the the video, as in this occasion that they supposedly shot down the leader of the four letters, the man, we are not talking about the Mexicans, we do not have that level of operativity to carry out an operation of this type, we have it, we do not blame the gringos, they just don't let us operate. I'm going to tell you my version of what could have happened, and then I'm going to ask you yours.

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But I agree a lot with what you're saying, there's something in all this that doesn't quite fit me. Why? Because we know, for example, you just mentioned it, in the detention of El Chapo Guzm, how long did it take to filter the photo? Because we know that the filtering was done by the government.

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How long did it take? 20 minutes?

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Actually, don't be a pussy. Now that you're talking about it, I have an idea from yesterday, precisely, that my Instagram was going to upload a photo of that person, that one that they called Bean, and it ended up with Laden, you know, we already know who I am mentioning, and it is that for that his body was thrown into the sea from an American ship, he was going to take that photograph and he was going to say, last hour, they throw the body of that man into the sea to see,

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the same breastfeeding, but it is an allusion to that gringo bullshit. I mean, there's no body, nobody makes it for me, and I take the excuse that, well, because of what has been a religious issue, throwing the body in the sea and you get it out with your fists and that's it. You ended up with the most sought-after man in more than a decade. And here I feel the same way. I mean, for the level of... What we lack here in Mexico is confidentiality. When an event happens, and how many times have we seen it?

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39:53

Even his supposed black swan event was already up in the air, hanging on social media. All of it, photos. There's the official photo of Perry's, man. How many hours did it take to get out? The media was just trying to find out what was going on when the photo was already in groups.

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That's what I find so strange. There's nothing, as you just mentioned. And why do I say this, Gafe? Because we know that if a photo of the leader of the most important organization in the world, at that moment you have the public opinion on your side. Why? Because we know that at this time our president Claudia is not like she has 100% approval of the country and say, I achieved what three Xenians could not achieve, what no one wanted to do. I did fight against the organizations and I stopped and

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I overthrew the most important person in the world. It's winning public opinion. This way you win and you keep the gringos at ease. But why is this version being used?

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Because we know that if there is a person detained, in a matter of hours, days, the United States will ask for extradition.

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Of course.

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And since we know that our country is doing well, that everything that the United States is asking for, they give it to them, obviously they were going to extradite him. The political comrades were going to come out. They were going to extradite him, it was because he was betrayed.

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If this security circle was really small, it was because he felt that he was a trustworthy person, with whom he had previously sat down, and there was not so much problem, and they took advantage of it to betray him on the part of the government. So, knowing that he had been betrayed, do you think that in the United States he would not be able to sing? In many political heads,

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even presidents would fall, and also from this administration. I think that is the best way to say we did it, but I don't get in trouble. The person is beaten,

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the United States is happy, I have the public opinion happy, I have it on my side, and we all win in this operation. At least I do see it, but what is your version, brother? My opinion is that everything was a created theater. To start, I want to congratulate the Secretary of Defense for that performance that hit me in the morning, but it quickly went away like the throat was closed. I don't believe that performance, brother.

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Rather, I do give my most heartfelt condolences to all the families of all those colleagues who sadly lost their lives. A person who has been there, who has operated in those places, really hits him, we are really watching the videos of all the elements of the national guard that ended up killing in such a cunning way, bro, living them in such a cunning way. I lost a partner in those confrontations. In which? In one who was here in the Zapopan safari, a partner who was a cop with me, yes, currently he is in the national and is losing his life in a confrontation.

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The best thing is that no one knows, I'm very sorry. I'm seeing the images of all the colleagues and it's a courage. It's 3 in the afternoon, 4 in the afternoon and I'm still seeing everything that's happening. I'm sad, like you just said. I see the elements of the police that are here in Guadalajara, it is a situation that cannot be explained, what we feel of wanting to help, of wanting to grab your motorcycle, your car and say,

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well, I'm going and I ask one of the commanders for a 13 and see how it do it, right? But then you analyze and you also say, bro, corruption is beyond, and all the colleagues are there because they want to be there, but there is not one that does not know how the situation is. There is not one that does not know. I think everyone is well aware of how the situation is currently in the country.

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We are all very aware. That's why when I worked in the police, is You don't know if the one up there is grabbing the bill and you're tangled, man. You end up tangled with all this. So, in the end, we know what it's like to be in the operation. We know what it's like to be with many of those colleagues who were having a good time yesterday. And that feeling is real. In the end, between dogs, we don't get along, bro. In the end, between all of us, we really know what's going on and we end up fighting.

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And we're not cannon fodder. We're not replaceable pieces. So, seeing that in the way that it hurts them... Politics is form. And in the end, it looks nice that the secretary breaks down when I assure you... I assure you that he must have an element, an element of the Mexican army only so that they are almost tying him to his boots. That's how a general works.

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That he feels the operativity. So I don't believe that. And I say it with a lot of respect. comandantes, comisarios que vi el día de ayer, por ejemplo mi 1201, el secretario de seguridad de aquí de Jalisco, estaba con todos sus escoltas patrullando también. El comandante Pablo, ¿no? Sí, de hecho le tomaron una foto, no fueron de sus redes sociales, yo lo vi en un grupo de seguridad donde él se encuentra en un bloqueo que estaban haciendo en el momento. Eso sentir realmente, ¿por qué? in the moment. That feeling, really, because you're a police officer, you come from below.

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Not that from your office you say, it hurts me because I lost elements. Clearly he knows, with his team of analysts who knew about the operation, they knew there were going to be many casualties. And he did not report. But for you to say it hurts me, he knew there were going to be casualties from elements of the army and the national guard. And they killed them like dogs, bro. Like dogs, because they caught them all shitting. If it hurt you, inform. Troops on alert.

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Get all the troops on alert. From the moment the operation is being carried out, not until you catch them shitting half an hour later. Because they caught them all shitting half an hour later because they all caught them shitting brother at what time was the operation that the mess began here in the metropolitan area that is, it was not the moment the operation did not begin and at the same time the deployments of the organization began they had a fucking time a fucking time to organize and go to make their

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mess they had 30 40 minutes to do it and the military commanders shone for their absence because they did not report. So this is a show, this is just to please people, the secretary crying, President Claudia leaving Bacuadán in a helicopter to a boat. That's it, politics is form. And the more it looks more real, the more it arrives and the more it is believed. If you ask me what happened, I don't personally, my opinion, in the end, is my opinion. I think that man died of illness. It was well known that he had been sick for a long time and it was

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well known that all this year, that all of 2025, he was in a critical health condition. We all know that here in Jalisco. Whoever says, I didn't know, well, don't be ridiculous. He's a local, bro. It's like if you go to the lands where that man, Outland, used to live, all his routes, bro, everyone knows where he goes, where he walks, what places he frequents, to that he died of illness and it was a way to appease the government.

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Some pact could have been reached that if he died, a new operation was made to calm the situation. It is well known that he is sick, so I think I'll go back to the same thing. When I saw all this mess, how they displayed it, the video that we uploaded to Instagram I don't know, I saw it more like a show Without the military knowing they were in that show I see it more created with the intention of showing muscle, showing strength For the screens, for the media, for Trump, when we don't really operate like that.

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And it's normal, bro, when a guy who works in programming, a guy who is a specialist, when you see something weird, you say, oh, there's something weird. The same a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. I'm a racist. because there is farting, the assholes walk but without a fucking because you hear one but

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far away and the one that just happened to us when you see assholes operating on Sundays flying so low in the metropolitan area you never see assholes wey if they were torreón coahuila in 2011 I would tell you because if it is normal in torreón coahuila all the time we were with two helicopters all the time in the logonera region all the time there were two assholes flying over the city Todo el tiempo estábamos con dos helicópteros, todo el tiempo en la comarca lobunera, todo el tiempo había dos boludos sobrevolando la ciudad. Ahí te la creo, pero aquí en zona metropolitana, ¿cuándo? Y haciendo esos patrones, algo está pasando.

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Y sí, hasta volteó y me dijo, como a los 15 minutos, tienes razón. ¿Por qué? Porque se desató el desmadre. Why? Because the mess was unleashed. They are fair, they are patrons that we recognize that something is not going well. And here it is the same, you say, there are things that I personally do not like, bro. I think it was a lot of visual to screen as for what really happened. I think for that type of operations and for the real thing that I just told you, that he doesn't have a small security ring, I think that what you need the most is discretion and not to get there like that.

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So I think I felt it more like a play. He may have died, my version, my version would be, I think he died of illness. For some reason we're not seeing body photos, for some reason we're not seeing filtrations, but we know that blood tests have already finished saying that yes, that's that man, that they're going to give him the body. I think everything is being taken very respectfully.

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I'm seeing it like this. The subject is being dealt with and that man is being treated with a lot of respect, not what happened to the dog. Because they say, no, there is another version, that the same military left who let die, those of us who decide who lives and who dies, there are orders that tell you, leave this one and don't touch him, treat him like a god, but he's alive. As much as you want to get out, you make him live and revive him, bro, because the order is to live. And if you don't, you bring your dragon spheres in your backpack, in case he dies and you revive it again, bro, because the order is that you don't die.

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So, they say they let him die. If they really wanted him alive, they keep him alive as long as possible, bro. If they let him die, then it's to silence him. But what if he was already dead?

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Yes.

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You treat the body with respect and without taking pictures because you're going to get in trouble. Because maybe everything is in agreement. I'm going for that. I think my version would be that it was more of a disease and a whole media show was created to keep the gringo government happy, I think that would be my version and finally, to close with this video, I was talking before starting to record with JD, he told me that after this that we have just lived, what is coming for the tapatíos, what is coming for the Mexicans

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because we know that the infections were in 12 states of the country, what really comes after the death of the leader of the Jalisco Cartel, the new generation? It is not from my time, but I do agree, it did not touch me, but I do miss him, Miguel Angel Félix Gallardo would say, he said, theyar pues si yo si lo extraño no fue de mis tiempos carna porque porque había un orden con ese señor cuando él faltó empezó el desmadre desde que él faltó empezó todo el desmadre como lo conocemos a lo que hemos llegado el día de hoy

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creo que hoy podría decir lo vamos a extrañar carnal porque porque si lo ves desde un tema I could say we're going to miss him, bro. Why? Because if you see it from a security perspective, five years of violence is coming. I don't think we've seen it, but I think it's going to be strong. Strong violence. It's going to be two and a half, three years. More specifically, I think the metropolitan area is going to fight, as you have no idea.

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We know in advance that there are people who want the place of that man, a vacancy, and I think that if we see it from this point, each one is right, because they are the ones who fought the war since it started, from around 2011, 2010, later,, are the ones who fought the war. Those who are fighting for the position, and those who want the position, we are talking about many powerful leaders,

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not to mention nicknames that we know they want the command, and in the end I think they deserve it, but we have to see how they take it. How they take it, both one and the other, and that the discord doesn't start, no, I was the one who should take it, both one and the other, and that the discord does not begin. No, I was the one who

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should have it, and if that happens, the internal war began to see who takes control or who stays in their place. This place is mine, I control it, I always controlled it, and I make my own organization and it becomes independent. So I think we already experienced that break that the 4-letter movement had in 2017 when the organization La Nueva Plaza became strong. I don't think that will be anything compared to what is going to happen today because I think there will be too much blood,

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not only in Jalisco, but in all the bastions of the 4-letter movement. I think that the security situation will get worse, as we have no idea. I think that no matter how much people are praising and feeling happy, I am afraid, bro. Honestly, it is a real fear to think about what is going to happen in the country, where is this void of power that the leader of the 4-letter will lead us to lead us to. real de pensar qué es lo que va a ocurrir en el país a dónde nos va a llevar este vacío de poder que acaba de dejar el líder de las cuatro letras porque muchos van a querer aprovechar la oportunidad dentro de la organización pero también fuera de esto deja un vacío enorme de poder hay que ver cómo We have to see how it is covered. So I think they will miss the order we had in the country after the violence started.

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Because that is what is coming, a lot of violence in the country. What do you think will happen to end this? I agree with you, I think a wave of violence is coming. As you say, there are many powerful leaders, many of whom I think consume this content, they know and do not take much knowledge with little, you know that within the organization of the four letters there are many powerful leaders who have many people in their

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command and if it is not as they thought, the organization will be broken up and everyone will fight to have control of one of the most important squares and the empty squares. So, I see it as a difficult situation, I wish people to take care of themselves and more than anything, I also hope you are attentive to the government's official social media because there is also a lot of misinformation.

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56:47

Since yesterday, believe me, they sent me a lot of those messages that from one in the afternoon they were going to come and touch the houses and divide people and that they were going to pretend to be Didi. So don't believe everything you see on social media because many of the things are lies, there are only people who take advantage of the situation to put panic in people, so they don't believe everything they

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see and difficult times are coming for all of us as a result of this detention and everything because to keep the gringos happy and try limpiar los nombres de unas personas. Así es, pues nada carnal, muchísimas gracias por haberle caído en este momento tan difícil, sé que desplazarte desde tu hogar también al buen Jadie, desplazarse desde su hogar hasta la oficina, venir a hacer grabación, pues no es nada sencillo, también venimos desde lejos en ese sentido, pero pues no far away in that sense, but we can't let this note pass.

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Many people are asking for our opinion about this. And well, thank you all for reaching this point. You know the social networks of your servers, they were appearing throughout this video and are also linked in the description box. I want to thank the entire 423 Production team that makes all of this possible. Take care, my people. Don't leave your homes unnecessarily. If you have to go to work, now that classes are back, if you have to go to school, go.

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Live your life with all tranquility, with all normality. Live it with that, with normality, but always wearing safety gear with a lot of caution. If you have nothing to do on the street, don't go out. If you come from work, if you come from school, don't go out. Protect yourself because difficult times are coming. Well, friends, thank you for always trusting us, because believe me, a lot of people were waiting for our opinion, because they believe in our word, so I thank you all, and without further ado, we say goodbye and see you in a next video. Well, friends, thank you for always trusting us, because believe me, a lot of people were waiting for our opinion, because they believe in our word, so I thank you all, and without further ado, we say goodbye and see you in a next video.

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