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What else did you witness, Bernard? When we were delivering to BBM in Ilocos, we brought Cong Saldi there. How many did you bring there? Three suitcases, ma'am.

The first operation that I was with, we delivered almost 50 suitcases to Latinx PEOPLE.

But in your affidavit, there's a large, medium, and expendable bag. Do you know how much? Sometimes, the executive of Kong Saldy told me that the contents are almost 50 to 70.

We also played a big role in the ICC. Security, the so-called foreigner, is the ICC investigator. They were the only ones who were wearing glasses. They had a meeting with ST. That's the code name of Sani Trillanes.

As far as Trillanes is concerned, they only saw it in the meetings. Not only that, they also saw that he was being given money, he was being delivered money. Your timing is suspect, Attorney Baligod, because you pressed on one day after the ICC pre-trial of Duterte in The Hague. From what they said, the photos they took, they said it looks like AI generated. Why Senator De Lima was included in the list of those who delivered money, at that time he was still in jail.

The delivery was not in 2022. Who saw Senator De Lima? We did.

What did you see exactly? I will start with the ones who will be intrigued. Maybe you will be DDS, not Duterte supporters. supporter. Let's start with your testimony, what you witnessed, and what your work was. How did you

join my Congressman Zaldico?

Let's start with Belnard. I am Belnard Tube. I started working with Cong Zaldico He's not a congressman yet. He started as a congressman in 2022 or 2021. Then, he started with AKB. He started with AKB, a party-less. Then, Cong Romualdez talked to us to become an Apro in 2022.

In 2022, we started our security. Then we also deliver the garbage that they say. Garbage is the code name of money. The small amount of money.

What did you witness, Bernard?

The first thing, my advice to Zaldi when delivering money is to deliver it long. So, we are the longest. With Paul and Mark, we deliver it from the horizon. Paul and Mark are the executive assistants of Kongzaldi? Yes, that's the trusted nick of Kongzaldi for the money that is being deposited from other district DP. What do you do with the money? From outside, we put it in the valley or horizon and distribute it to Speaker or Maldis.

The different personalities that were mentioned, is that where you deliver the money? Yes, ma'am. From Speaker or Maldis to other congressmen? Yes, ma'am. From Speaker Romualdez to other congressmen? Yes, ma'am. Is that all? Is it just them?

There are many more, ma'am, but we are not in our capacity. But if we can go to the Congress, we have access to the Congress, if ever, ma'am. Okay. When you were first delivered money or garbage, what came to your mind?

What was your reaction?

For us, it was just work that came to our mind. We had no bad intentions. It was just for our family. If we were to we steal money, we might be the ones to get it back.

Were you not surprised? Oh my God,

that's a lot of money.

We were not surprised.

You didn't even ask where it came from. Kong Saldy is a contractor. But we found out he's funding projects. For other projects. What else did you witness, Bernard? When we were delivering to BBM in Ilocos,

we brought Cong Saldi there. There were only two of us, ma'am. Cong Saldi knew that we were there. How many did you bring were only two of us, ma'am. Kong Saldi knew that we were brought there.

How much did you bring there?

Three suitcases, ma'am. How much did they bring? I'm not specific on how much, because one suitcase is a bit heavy.

It's large.

But in your affidavit,

there's a large, medium, and an expendable bag. Do you know how much it contains? Sometimes, the executive of Kong Saldy told me that it contains 50 to 70.

The big one? How much does the medium one contain?

The medium one is around 50. Okay. And the expendable bag is 5 million, right?

Yes.

So, how much did you deliver? I'm not specific on how much, but 5 suitcases. As for Rosebert, what is your story? What did you witness? In December 2023, my boss, by my boss, Elizabeth. Then, from the moment we were hired, we were immediately put in operation garbage. Operation garbage? Is that what you call what you do?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Then, the first operation I was involved in, We delivered 50 suitcases to the speaker.

50?

Yes, Ma'am.

That many?

Yes. Large, medium, or expendable?

It's mixed, Ma'am.

There's medium, there's large.

Where did you deliver to? At my time, 42 McKinley.

Your house?

Yes, ma'am. And where else?

At 41.

14.

14.

His house as well.

14.

14.

14.

There is a mention of Aguado in Malacanang. Yes, ma'am. Because what's happening is that we are four teams. Close in, advance, marketing, and the team of garbage. Everyday, ma'am, it's a rotation. That's why I don't engage in it every day. But I have knowledge, ma'am, because we can see it in our group chat. Where, who and how many.

Who is the security assigned to us. That's where we by the GC.

How many of you were assigned to the congressman?

103. Including the active civilian, Coast Guard, and Civilian drivers. Then we were assigned to the Marines.

How many Marines?

Almost 60 plus. We are 60 plus. We have a whole family there. There's also a kid's mom and a wife.

And a boss. Oh, so you have a whole family of congressman Zaldico. But how many of you are involved in the operation garbage?

You said that you are involved in the garbage collection?

20.

30 plus, ma'am.

Rosebert, when you were assigned, you were the one who was bottle tested, and then you went to Zaldico, what they were asking you to do you to deliver trash or stolen money.

What was your reaction?

At first, we really had no idea where the money came from. I thought, the boss is rich, he has a lot of money and a lot of business. Maybe it's from his business partners. But when we found out that he's gone, he read the names of the people who helped him. That's when we found out.

But if we found out earlier,

maybe we left the place.

But when it comes to delivering money, are you all Marines?

Or do you also deliver Marines? Yes.

Or do you also have PNP?

Yes, we have PNP.

Oh, you have PNP.

Yes, we have active PNP.

Okay, so rotation. So, when you found out that, Oh my God, what are they making us do? At first, because you're rich, but in the end, when the flood control is broken,

what did you tell yourself? Of course, I was embarrassed because I was part of a big scandal. And when Top Orly was released. Goteza?

Yes, ma'am.

What else did you witness?

Rosebird.

We also had a big role in the ICC. When I was hired, I was assigned to the ICC. How were you assigned?

I mean, security. Our team leader detailed it to me. We were assigned outside. They call them foreigners.

They are the ICC investigators. These are the people who are investigating the cases against the former President Duterte, right? Yes. How did you know that it was them? Just lately, ma'am, we saw on TV that they are the one,

the investigators there, ma'am. Because we saw there in the court, ma'am, in what news was that him there in the corner. He was covering there in the corner. We saw Shantel Daniels.

One of your escorts? Yes ma'am. Okay, he went here. Yes ma'am. What did they do here?

Ma'am, the first month they came here, December 2023 Survey? They were in the ocular first They were already touring the whole Manila Then they had a meeting with ST That's the code name of Sanit Rillanes

ST

ST is his code name Then they went to the townhouse

They also had a meeting there with many people.

Gonsaldi, speaker.

With the boss and the former speaker. After that, he went home.

Then, he came back in 2024.

Okay. So, when the ICC went here, you were the escort. Yes, ma'am And according to your affidavit, you also delivered money to ST, to Trillanes? Yes, one of our colleagues. Oh, not you?

We are focused on security of the foreigners.

Who delivered the money to Trillanes? It was in the affidavit.

There's no attorney here?

No, he's not here. Let's go to Johnny. Johnny, what's your story and what did you witness? I started working for Bosalans on December 20, 2018. After that, we were assigned to work for the kids, for the boss and the ma'am. While we were still there, the flood control didn't come out yet. The congressman or the boss

We also deliver, sometimes we get it from Ponte Unti We get it from the banks, then we deliver it to the offices or to the pram banks Sometimes we deliver it to the pubs But sometimes, it's just a small amount.

But when the boss really sat down and approved,

Chairman of the Appropriations Committee, That's when we saw, and that's when I saw that the ones who came to Bali Verde were really bold. Bali Verde was brought to the horizon in 56 Charlie Delta Horizon Homes. There you can see, ma'am,

almost every day, sometimes in one day, sometimes 50 small ones arrive. Within a week, ma'am, sometimes three times. Then when it comes to Horizon,

the person in charge there is Executive Assistant John Paul Estrada, Mark Tixay, and the three employees of SunWest. They are the ones in charge of the bills before I deliver the goods. So they don't do anything but count the money? Yes, ma'am. Almost every day.

What is that? Is it done manually or is there a counting machine?

Sometimes, ma'am. There's a counting machine but sometimes it's done manually.

So you accept that he really has money? Yes, ma'am. I'm angry because, as the boss said, the congressmen and senators are really threatening me. When I didn't get the flood control issue, when the flood control issue came out, we were able to get the money that came in and out. It came from the government.

When we delivered the money to the witness, John Pol Estrada. We have pictures of each other.

Okay, and where else?

In Town House. Walter, you were also able to deliver trash to where? To the house of former Speaker Romaldes.

Where else?

And to Aguado.

Aguado in Malacañang? Yes, in Malacañado. Aguado, in Malacañang? In Malacañang. Aguado is also a house, right? It's in a big house in front of the gate. I know that because I was a PSD before. I know Aguado.

What's there in Aguado?

They have meetings there, ma'am, when there are visitors. Outside, not inside the palace. All this time you were detailed with my congressman, did you do anything but deliver money or trash? Yes, everyday. We have different duties. Benny, how did you get to my congressman and what did you find out or witness? I was hired on March 16, 2031 after I retired from the Marines.

I was not yet with Bosal Dinasan, I was with Madam Tu. Where did you deliver, Benny?

I was in Cherapura.

Whose house? It was with Cherapura. Whose house?

It was in Cumstela.

Kimbo?

Yes, before that. Then, I was a former speaker in 42 Mackinlay Road, North Forks, and 14 Arastreet Southport.

What else did you do while you were with Congressman Coca? Actually, our position is that we are just providing personal assistance so that he won't have many people. And our team leader told us that there's a team that will clean up, and there's also an advanced team that does marketing. He rotates the team every one week.

Were you still active duty when you were assigned to the COO or were you already retired? We were already retired, ma'am. Oh, you were no longer in the service. So, he's the one who pays you? Yes How much is the salary? Is it high?

For us, it's not the same How much? The average? 43,000 Didn't Gutesa appear in the Senate first?

But he was arrested because the notary's signature and affidavit were fake until he didn't follow what he said. Given what happened to him, why did you go there? Weren't you afraid that you might be like him? He just disappeared. It's like he forgot what he said.

Why did you go back now?

We went back because we can't tolerate what they are doing, thefts in our local funds. I saw on TV last month, many people died, many houses were destroyed. We were shocked. Conscious were like, we were shocked.

You were conscious?

Yes, I was conscious.

That's why we thought of going out and support what our boss said.

And also Master Gutesa.

Yes. But my question is, weren't you afraid that you might be like Gutesa? Like Master Sergeant Gutesa? Because he was scared. He was strong-willed, he was brave, he spoke and in the end, he was destroyed.

Were you not scared there?

It's normal to be scared.

Okay.

Of course, as long as we are safe.

Johnny, you want to add something?

Yes, ma'am. To support what Sergeant Tovo said, they brought us to Ilobos. We were the ones who brought the 5 suitcases to the Delta Gate. We were in a Lexus Bulletproof. The plate number is NFX8886. That's what they brought to Ilocos. The one you brought to President Marcos' house.

Did you bring it to his house? It was next to the lake.

Oh, next to the lake.

It was his house.

Okay.

This is not the Malacanang of the North,

in the Pauay Lake?

Yes.

Is that it?

Yes.

Okay. He's from Palacanang of the North, in Pauay Lake. Yes, ma'am. Is that it? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Because I know he has another house by the sea. This one is really in the lake, in Pauay Lake.

Okay.

Bernard, you were with the ICC escorts, right?

Yes, ma'am.

There's an affidavit that you are charging 2 million dollars. That's 2 suitcases. I was with Paul. We were going to change to Makati. Peso to dollar. From Horizon Homes, we lowered the 2 large suitcases.

Then? Then, we were a bit tense because it was a big suitcase. When we got off at Makati, we were a bit alert because we were earning. We climbed up and there was a contact there to exchange dollars because the money was big. If you don't have a contact, you might not be able to exchange dollars. I saw that Paul opened the suitcase. That's the big amount I saw in the suitcase.

Then I heard that they are preparing to give dollars.

Who?

I heard it was CEC Who? I read ICC.

That's what I read. So, you think that money went to ICC or preparation for the investigation of ICC, right?

Yes. How did you find out Trillanes was there? I went to ICC. Mark Tix was the first to assist the ICC. He was with them, the first team that arrived. Then after, in 2024, Kong Salde advised me to replace Mark to assist the ICC.

So, we were the ones who coordinated the ICC at Terminal 3. Then, our direct contact was Senator Trillanes. His code name is ST. Mark gave his name, which is the one we will contact, ST. When I gave my contact number to ST, my number was given to the investigator of the ICC. Did you see Senator Trillanes?

Yes, I saw him.

What was he doing?

He was in a meeting. The meeting of the ICC? The one you are escorting? Yes. How did you manage to get the money you exchanged from pesos to dollars went to the ICC? That's what I heard from the executive of the boss, Paul.

Did it go to ST, Senator Trillanes? Probably, yes.

Did you see it or did you give him the suitcase?

It should be the executive who knows that, ma'am. Because I heard it from him. Because the ICC is a bit confidential. They don't let us know. Just a correction to the one, ma'am. We heard that they are foreigners.

So, we only know about the ICC.

The first thing they told you was that they are foreigners. They didn't say that they were ICC. You just saw that they were ICC when you saw Chantal Daniels on TV. Atty. Baligod, can you tell us how you gathered this group?

And is it true that they are all 18? Actually, more than that.

More than 18? How did you connect with the Marines or other soldiers or former soldiers who were previously detailed to Congressman Zaldico?

We watched everything that happened to Goteza in the Senate Duribon Committee. Because I saw that this is what will give a party the search for the truth on where the funds went. And then I also observed what was happening in the ICI, what was happening in the government agencies there's a cover-up so I looked for the

Kutesa's accomplices so we can know if it's true or not what Kutesa's saying because he's alone I have a friend who was a former officer in the armed forces

I talked to him and asked if he knew the members of CUTESA and he said that he knew their former officers the officers of AFB who retired and became workers for Saldico so he invited one of them and I talked to him

I asked him if I could talk to the members of CUTESA So, he invited one of them and I talked to her.

I asked her if I could talk to her about the Kutesa's business. She said, Oh, that's difficult because someone offered them 10 million pesos, but they didn't accept it. Maybe even if you give them a bigger amount, it won't reach them. She said, Oh, this is not the money we are talking about.

But that's how I felt about him. He just wanted to discourage me from talking to them. But nevertheless, we forced him. So in our next meeting, he brought four bags. We talked about it.

I sensed that it's part of my training as a litigator to somehow read body language. I saw in the official that he was hesitant. So when someone asked them, I simply followed. I told them to contact me if they need help. So, that's it. Since then, we talked and they're increasing.

Because what I said to the first four, you should share with the people what you witnessed when the funds were stolen. Because if you won't do that, let's not complain if our government doesn't serve our people anymore. Every meeting, they are increasing

because the first four are explaining to them. the January 2026 na po ito? Yes ma'am. Na, nung ipinapaliwanag po sa kanila yung estado ng ating bansa, ang ating ekonomiya, ang ating political situation, ay kaya pala namatay yung apu ko sir. Dahil simpleng sakit, namatay sa hospital dahil walang maibigay na gamot. So, yun po ang nag-trigger din sa kanya. So that triggered him and they started talking about it Maybe we should listen to what Atty. Baligud is saying So they started talking After they talked, I said I will record what you are talking about

And then I talked to their other companions who don't know that I'm talking to them. And in fact, the people I'm talking to gave me documents, videos, and pictures. They're telling the truth. So, that's it.

There are a lot of drafts because they're ready to make their affidavit. February 23, 2026, in the morning, I said, let's have a notary. So, they agreed. And I also talked to a bishop, Bishop Tendero, asking if I could witness the process so that we could say that they were not forced to do so just like the recantation of Gutesa.

Bishop Tendero agreed. We held a notary public meeting and then we finished in the afternoon. I asked a friend of mine to help me to arrange a prescone for the morning. Personally, the reason why we held the Prescon is that we need to distribute this to the people

before we give it to an institution that we know is not completely reliable. What institution? It's just Ombudsman. Because he was mentioned. But what I said is,

let's give Kwan a chance for the ombudsman to investigate. Let's give this to him because he is the only one in the office who can investigate.

And I don't want to prejudge what can be done or even second-guess what Ombudsman Remolia will do to the affidavit we gave. Because he was mentioned in the delivery of the trash, right? No. He hosted a meeting in his house with the ICC investigators.

I stand corrected.

General Nictore. It was a meeting. We did not say that he was given money. It was just a meeting. Yes. The soldiers' testimonies of these soldiers? Yes, that's why I included it because I already brought together all their knowledge that is connected to the ICC. That's why I included the meetings in his house in Bel Air,

the meetings in the townhouse in Forbes Park, the meetings in Maydas, etc. And what's remarkable there, ma'am, is that all their meetings are in private places. They did not go to government offices. One of the places that they went to, which we can say is a public facility, was the National Believer Prisons.

They went in there, together with the ICC investigators. They went inside, they saw that the three who were accused of killing Kian De Los Santos were released.

They were now convicted. They were interviewed. Is it significant that they are in private places instead of government facilities? Yes, because I think, ma'am, they do not want to make it appear that the Republic of the Philippines is already coordinating or helping out the ICC because they do not want to go against the public and official statement of knowledge than the president that our government will not cooperate with ICC.

Okay.

Before I go to the ICC, Attorney Baligud, I just want to clarify to you. You said that you have been working together with the 18 you brought together, is this batch correct? But they said there are more than 100, is that correct? Yes, 103. Where are the others? Do you bring them with you?

The 16 are still in the active service with the PNP. And a good number also are still in the active service with the Philippine Coast Guard.

Okay.

So I don't want to disturb them because they might get removed. They are the ones who put the vehicles, they are the ones who escort, when it comes to their destination, they are the ones who carry it. They know that this, bring this to Sunny Trillanes' office in this place, Quezon City. Actually, Sunny Trillanes was with him in Magdaleno. He was imprisoned with Sunny Trillanes.

I think I recognize you.

Yes, you are Manalansan, right?

Walter.

Yes.

So, Sunny Trillanes was with was in prison with Sani Trillanes and I think he knew the person of Sani Trillanes. But attorney, basically what they are saying is that Goteza corroborated what he said at first. But Goteza did not end well with his testimony because he was shocked that the notary's signature was fake. He just disappeared from the scene. And then, this is what you said, 18. My question to them earlier, weren't they worried that they might just go home to the house that Guteza was in?

Yes, that's what we were talking about. That there are possibilities like that. But it was more of a burden for them. They said, Torney, maybe this is the last battle that we will also enter. Because they also experienced

the ups and downs of the various events that happened in their service. But for now, we want to be a soldier for the Filipinos. But is it true what you said to me earlier that there is a threat? Someone threatened them with a text? Yes, that was followed by a text and also a call.

So if there is no threat, you will not go out? Is that right? We will still be released. But the threat is that you will be released soon? Yes. When this first came out, after you were released, there were questions from the state. They said that they were not listed in the Navy. They are retired Marines, or those who are no longer in the Marines,

who were dismissed, and have cases. What is their status? We are arguing that in the 18th, two of them were connected to the Philippine Army back then, and 16 were former marines the problem is that the statement that is coming out the statement of AFP, the Philippine Navy, the Philippine Marine Corps

many of them are not real marines but if you look at their verification, I have a copy it's written there, the name of one of them it's written written there for verification. But it hasn't been verified yet. They assumed that he is not a member of the Philippine Marines.

And that's what they are spreading. I don't know what the reason is. But of course, it is normal to discredit these people because the injured will be treated. So in the meantime, now you have 18 marines in this new batch. What are your expectations? Where will you bring this? If Goteza was injured or his landing was not good, he was still brave but he was taken home. So how is it now?

Your position is now 18-18. So, this is like 18 times Gutesa, right? But I think with their number, they will also have a hard time

doing what they did to Gutesa. Because, ma'am, I heard a recorded conversation of Goteza's wife and Orly Goteza. When he was taken, he was given a phone. The people who took him did not know that he was given a phone.

He talked to his wife. His wife has permission to record the conversation what he said was, why did you sign? I need to sign so you won't be put in danger they're just scaring you we're here, we're not scared

we're safe, his wife said. But he was already signed. His wife was a bit against the signing. But of course, I did not see his signature. But based on information, he said that Mike Defensor and Senator Marculeta forced him to speak to the Senate and to sign his affidavit. He said that he didn't know anything about the delivery of garbage.

That's why we put in that affidavit a picture where Sergeant Gutesa is present, with the trash that you are talking about. So you are not with Gutesa now?

No.

In the robbery of this 18? No. We don't know where he is. Marcoleta and Mike Defensor,

Defensor also went to your press con.

I didn't see him there. Oh, he's not there? Why did he comment so that you can continue with him? This is the story there. When we were talking, I think it is incumbent upon me to also inquire with Mike Defensor what happened to Gutesa.

Okay. So that I know what not to do with them. So Mike Defensor told me what happened to Gutesa, how he met her, who introduced him to her, etc. So I was looking for a loophole in how to talk taking care of Sgt. Utesa. That was our first conversation. And then eventually, I asked him again,

Mike, can you talk to Sal Dico? He said, I have a friend who can talk to him. I have a request who I can talk to. I have a request.

What is it?

Please tell Zaldico that he should pay the last month salary of these, 13-month pay, and their termination pay.

Zaldico didn't pay you?

No.

For the billions that you spent on the suitcases, he didn't pay you?

No. the millions that you paid to the suitcases, you didn't pay them?

No, I didn't.

So that was the second instance that I talked to Mike Defensor to tell Saldico that these were paid. So attorney, did Mike Defensor have nothing to do with you? No.

Goteza, no?

No. Marcoleta about this? No. Did Guteza know about this? No.

Did Marcoleta know about this? No.

Did Zaldico know about this?

No.

Did he not know about this?

No.

These people are angry because they were not paid their salary. You're doing this on your own? Yes, ma'am. Did you have a political party or any big political personality who's behind you? No. If the insinuation is that this is for the Dutertes, no. Because you were identified with Duterte, you even have a picture of him.

Yeah, that was in 2016. Because then Mayor Duterte invited me in Davao in August of 2015. So I went there. He said, Atty. how are your PIDAF scam cases? So I gave him a briefing, right? This is what happened, etc.

He even told me, Atty. you should finish them all. So that's it.

That's the story of the movie, Agadam Tayo?

Not yet. In November, he talked to me again. He said, Torni, join me. I'm your senator. Let's work together. He said, Mayor, you'll run away. Yes, but...

He's like that. He's like that. So, he allowed me. So, what he said was, Okay, I'll try. Come on.

He raised his hand, he called the letterist, and he said, use that as your campaign fund. That's how he was.

Duterte had nothing to do with the 18th's attack.

Yes, ma'am. And I can put in the line my license as a lawyer or even my name and reputation. The Vice President doesn't know me. We haven't talked yet. Okay, but your timing is suspect, Atty. Baligod. Because you pressed on one day after the ICC pre-trial of Duterte in The Hague. Why did you timing the assault? For me, that is also a puzzle. What is the right timing to share the truth with the people?

I think for me, anytime is a good timing when it comes to the release of their knowledge. Because what they are saying, they have been saying for a long time, they've been experiencing and witnessing it for a long time. Why did they only speak this week? That's the question to all of you. When will Duterte be facing a pretrial? So, what is this? A counter to the ICC? That's what they're saying.

Actually, I'm not updated on what's happening in the ICC. I'm not updated on what is happening in the ICC. I am not updated on the stages there. Although I know that there is a case there of Duterte, but the progress of the stages, I am not updated.

Okay. Malacanang said that Secretary Jusec Claire Castro, this is a lousy script.

Why are they reacting so harshly? Why are we still going to sue a cyber libel? I think, well, we know Yusef Clair, how she responds to valid questions, how she responds to valid issues. I was normal, I expected those answers. But I said, we are not following any script, we are not after any award,

because she said that she won't win this award. This is a serious matter. I said in my statement to the press con, if I sum up the frequency of their deliveries, it's only in Forbes Park and Aguado. Because they deliver three to four times a week.

Beginning September 2022. And it doesn't go down below 20 suitcases per delivery. If it's just a medium-sized delivery, let's say 30 million for each suitcase. It doesn't go below 20. How much is that in one day? It's already 600. They deliver 3 to 4 times a week in Forbes Park. At ganun din sa Aguado.

Kaya ang estimate ko, umaabot yan ng 805 billion. Nasabi po ni Senator Lackson, hindi match dun sa nalalaman niya na nakurakot dito po sa flood control projects or budgets? Because his assumption is wrong. His assumption is that it came from flood control funds. But there are many sources. For example, the one that delivered from the viewport was given to Saltico, but it didn't come from flood control.

Where did it come from?

Why did the money come from the Montinlupa, from the Bilibid? Okay, I want to be fair with the chief of the Bucora.

Greg Tatapa.

Yes, and I am not saying that what I will tell you next is what happened. But the situation there is that each prisoner has a budget. The National Believer Prisons has about 35,000 inmates. What they do there is they reduce the budget for food. In a day, a bilanggo eats three times. If the budget of each bilanggo is 100 pesos per meal, it has a budget of 300 pesos per day. What they do is they reduce it.

Instead of individual, for example, we are a group. They will just buy a few cans of sardines, mix it with cabbage, lots of soup, add beans or misua, that's all the food. So if you compute, it's only 30 pesos, not 100. Something like that happened back then.

Did you deliver the money to Bilibid?

No, the Bucor chief delivered it. Oh, really? So your fury was that you took the budget of the food? As I said, ma'am...

They call it a ranch.

As I said, I'm not saying that's what happened. That's your fury. But what I'm saying is, back then, even if it was BJMP, that's how it was practiced. So sometimes, even if the detainee is released,

he's still included in the budget for food. Again, I want to emphasize that I'm not saying that that is what happened. So, there are still many sources of points. Let's look at the irrigation projects. It's not yet being discussed. The reforestation projects of the customs were taken by BBM.

So there are a lot of sources, not just flood control funds. But assuming that it's just flood control funds, Senator Lacson said that the total amount is 1.3 trillion. He said that 805 is 70%. Which is unnatural. But that's what happened in PIDAF. You'll remember that 60-70% of the funds

were kickbacks from lawmakers. There's nothing special about this. 60-70% of the kickbacks were from them. the law enforcement officers. There's nothing different here. Their kickback is 60 to 70 percent. Why didn't you have a signature on their affidavit when you were pressed for signature? No, we had a signature when we were pressed for signature.

Okay.

I was confused where the unsigned came from. But I was given two people. But I won't say their names now. But I can say it off-cam. Because I want them to witness their affidavit. I asked the other people who covered, I said, what they told me is that the affidavit is unsigned.

But today, as of today, when you went to Ombudsman, it was already signed, of course. Yes, even before our press conference. Yes. The notarization is already there. Okay. That's where the notarization is. I have another question for you. Why was Senator De Lima included in the list of those who delivered money

when he was still in prison in 2022? The delivery was not in 2022. Maybe it's better for them to respond to that.

So, did you correct Dilima?

No, what's clear there is that they saw Congresswoman Laila Dilima who was meeting with Sunny Trillanes, Speaker Romualdez, Z Zaldico, and to Secretary Ed Año, in the townhouse. Zaldico's style is always accompanied by a convoy vehicle with money in it. Suitcases, paper bags. They are also the ones who buy paper bags. So they are familiar with the style and appearance.

And the parking lot of the unit 8 and 9, the townhouse, is just in front of where the vehicles are parked.

Okay.

So they brought money inside, when they go out, there were already coins. That's what they say. Are these the expendable bags that cost 5 million? Yes, those are paper bags. Because the expendable envelope contains 2 million.

Okay, so there's something like that. So the expendable envelope is not a bag. It's an exp expandable envelope is not a bag. Delima, you have a correction this morning, right?

Did he correct it?

Yes.

Did you remove him from the list? No. Oh, you're so clear. They insinuate that it was included in the prefatory statement before the listing of the members of the house. It was stated there that they are the ones who were witnessed, who were given money, etc. They are members of the house. So it was listed there. Okay. But that's the general, but the specific part in giving to Laila Delima, I think it's in the subsequent, or in the portion of the ICC.

So she wasn't given money?

She was given. She was given money. So Senator Delima's name will not be removed from the list of people who were arrested? That's not what they're saying. And they saw that he had a bat. Who saw Senator Delima? We did.

What did you see exactly?

The paper bag from Horizon, we brought it to the townhouse. It was in the car. It's in the car. It's in the car. We also bring it down, ma'am. Then, the users will come or the users are already there.

When it comes out, ma'am, we see that they're already collecting the paper bags with money inside.

How much is the paper bag?

We estimated it to be 5 to 10 million.

That's why Senator De Lima was also mentioned. What they're saying, Ted Filone, is that you said that he was given a suitcase. I didn't hold the affidavit. I believe in China Maleta in the Kupu Hawa King a fidevit

I'm sorry Kasima Leonex a kinna na big answer townhouse non-paper bag. Okay, and

You know yes, I like

Pero the big yeah, I mean I know that again. Yes, I am Sabico

It could be an oversight on my part. I didn't say that I was wrong. It is possible that it was an oversight on my part. And of course, it's their own interpretation. Sir, they also said, one of the photos they took were AI-generated. I also saw a picture where the tail number of the airplane was not matched with the money that was supposedly transported. What was the serial number? The tail number of the money bags. What is the serial number that doesn't match?

The serial number, I mean the tail number. That has a plan. RPC, oh it's a helicopter, C8111. 8111.

Yes, 8111.

Oh, the one in the helicopter, ma'am?

Yes.

So this is the helicopter. The real one is 8111. There's another one that's not matched. This one, the one that we took out.

So, it's matched with yours. There's one that we took out that's not matched.

This one is also not matched.

So, it's matched. I saw one that Oh, it's wrong. So it matches with you.

So there are one.

Pictures don't match. This is the logo. They are noticing the logos of Missy Bisbe.

But get these. They're noticing the logos of the Mississippi State.

But get these.

Yes, ma'am.

In their affidavit, there are four pictures depicting the helicopter. Yes. And they're the same.

Here, they have a real edited. It's a match. There. Ah, this one. They're saying it's RP8811. But there's no RP8811. Oh, this one. This is the attorney.

This one?

They said it's 8811.

The one who's carrying the notebook.

Yes, yes.

Yes, this is it.

This is the one.

This is the real one, the 8111.

Yes.

Okay, this is the real one. This one, this is probably the one. This is not yours, right?

No, it's not.

Yes, it looks like this is also their AI. They This looks like it's their AI. They did AI. Attorney, this is the copy of their affidavit. Is it correct? Is my handling correct? Until here.

This is not signed yet. But the same? Is it the same? Yes, it's the same. It's not the same? Is it the same?

It's not the same.

Ah, it's different now?

Yes, I'm wondering. I said in an interview, check with PNP and NBI Cyber who started spreading the unsigned. This affidavit we got, the unsigned one, this is the unsigned affidavit we got.

This is not their affidavit.

Yes.

The one we submitted to Ombudsman. That's the right one. Yes.

Can I share? No, this is the picture. But the picture is at least correct.

This picture, what is this?

Where is this?

It depicts that their first process in the office, before they put it in the suitcase, they count the cholesterol.

Did you get this?

Yes, sir.

Who got this? One of you?

One of us.

Okay, one of you. At least the picture is correct, attorney.

This one, the one with the women counting.

Yes, ma'am.

Take this one.

Yes, ma'am.

So it's okay to take it, you're not prohibited to take it? It's supposed to be prohibited. But when it's a bit more popular, there are some secrets to take. Secrets to take this one. The one that's popping up is the one that's getting a secret. It's getting a secret. And maybe you do this every day. There's no prohibition.

Because it's already extraordinary. The one below, you also get this?

Yes, ma'am.

The caption that's on it, number 3, money delivery to the house of Representative Stella Quimbo.

Yes ma'am.

Whose house?

Is this really her house? Yes, this is her house.

Where?

In Terra Pura, Quezon City.

Are you with her? There are other details there, ma'am. Sometimes we deliver, but I was not able to take a photo. I was with Paul, his other team, with the 10 passengers. Where is Guteza now?

I don't know. Three possibilities. One, someone said he's abroad. Second, someone said he's back to his family. I asked Mike Defensor about this 3-4 weeks ago. Is it true that he is in his family? I don't think so because I'm in contact with his family.

And then the third one, I think there are retired Marines who are helping him.

Okay. This is Guteza again. Yes, that's the one who was hitting him. Okay. This is Goteza again.

Yes, yes.

This is the time I was with him. These are the suitcases.

Yes, ma'am. You were with him here?

Yes.

Where is this? Horizon. This is the one we dropped off at B3, ma'am. Horizon. We brought it to 42. Okay.

This is the 50 plus one and I took a picture of it oh you took this? yes ma'am

so you know this is real? yes ma'am, because the cellphone is still here this is the cellphone that I use

these bags are large?

they are medium, large and there are boxes also

boxes attorney, the pictures are correct medium, large, and then there are boxes. There are boxes. Atty. Tama, the pictures are consistent with the affilade with the Ombudsman. This is the ICC.

This is me.

This is you?

Yes.

Who took this?

My partner in the ICC.

I'm also with him.

What are were those? Those were the ones we used to go around the city of Manila. With the members of the ICC?

Yes.

Okay. Who took these pictures? What pictures are these?

Those are the ones where they were walking in Makati. We were following them even though they didn't want to. Who are these pictures? These are the people who are walking in Makati. We are following them even though they don't want to.

Who are these?

These are the investigators.

Of?

ICC members.

Ah, these are the activities of the ICC?

Yes. Okay.

We put this up just to confirm that the ICC investigators really came here and they were with them You were the one who escorted them So that's what we want to prove there that they gave security

to the real ICC because this picture was also put a screen grab of ANC

This is where you found out that he was from ICC.

We confirmed it, ma'am.

He saw that Shantal Daniels is from ICC. And Shantal is one of the people you escorted. So, is it true that at first, you didn't know who you were escorting?

Yes, ma'am. Because what, they said that they are just foreigners.

Foreigner?

Yes, a foreign friend of the boss. Zaldico?

Yes, ma'am. Okay, and then?

He provided security, ma'am. We went there. Then, ma'am, we just got the information that maybe they are ICC2.

Because they are investigating the business fitness in AGK.

But how did you know that this is from ICC?

I was confirmed there. When was this?

I think it was the first trial.

Maybe the first one that was televised. When was that? The time when the earthquake happened. Maybe it was in April of 2025. It wasn't just this week. So that's when you confirmed that you were escorted?

That's when I confirmed that we were escorted by the ICC.

Okay. Because you were exposed? Yes. I confirm that the one we're escorting is from the ICC.

Okay.

Because you were exposed.

Yes.

Okay. Who is the one who got this from the Bucor?

It's from the Bucor.

That's the one who was arrested.

Are you with them?

Yes.

Benny, who is with them?

We are with them, ma'am. We investigated that. Is that a police? Yes, it's a police. They are interviewing. That's the proof that the ICC really came to us.

Where they checked in me. Is this a shipment receipt? Yes, ma'am. They got me that, ma'am. To validate their company.

I don't understand.

Yes.

Ma'am, this is a small one. But this one...

What is this, attorney?

That is a receipt of a shipment by Maya Bracken.

She's the interpreter.

Huh?

Interpreter.

Maya Bracken. Maya Bracken, she's the interpreter. Interpreter. Maya Bracken.

Maya Bracken and Murphy. Murphy D, he's an investigator.

Okay.

There's a story, ma'am. When they left for a while, their bags were full. Attorney, this is the list of politicians who were delivered money, garbage, is it correct?

1 to letter Z. A to letter Z.

Is there a person who is redacted?

Yes, ma'am. What is that? So that person is no longer with us to defend his reputation. So he's dead. So they said that this person, etc. But I told them that I can block out this person because he's no longer with us. He can't defend himself.

This is an airplane. What is this airplane? Who will get this for you?

What is this airplane? It has a plane, it delivers garbage. So you use airplanes to deliver garbage or money, not just vans?

Yes.

Whose airplane is this?

That's the boss's.

Zaldico has an airplane on his list, right? So this is his airplane. This is a helicopter.

The tail number is RPC-8111. Who is this helicopter for? For Zaldico.

And you also use this because there are also suitcases. Yes. So, it's also used for transporting garbage. Okay. These are the suitcases of garbage.

Yes. Okay.

I read that you also buy garbage bags? Yes, ma'am. And also boxes and brown bags?

Yes, ma'am.

Paper bags, brown bags. Expandable envelopes?

Yes, ma'am.

You leave the garbage bags there for every delivery? So you buy them? Is that so? Yes, ma'am. Yes. Okay. Because it's too much. Is that so? They said that they are buying new bags. They have a picture of it but I didn't include it.

Okay. But they left the bags. So next delivery, they will buy new bags. Because the bags are getting damaged. Yes.

That's why they need to buy new bags.

Because of the heavy money, the bags are just one-time use. Sometimes, the bags fall down.

Yes. The bags are always broken. That's why they need to buy new ones. The bags are only used once in a while. Sometimes, they fall from the bags. What's up?

I remember the impeachment of Corona. Revealia was so mad about how heavy the 1 million pesos bag was. This is still a suitcase.

You took pictures of it. Good thing you didn't heat it up.

I need proof, ma'am.

I'll send it to my boss.

Ah. So, you can't take pictures because he's also asking for proof. Proof that you're one of the suitcases or that you were one of the delivery men?

Yes, ma'am.

So, you are one of them?

Are you one of them?

Yes, I am.

And Mark, too.

He's at home.

Whose home? I just picked him because he's one of the media operators they call.

But is this Zaldico's house?

No.

The house of the delivery man?

The media man.

Media man?

Who is you? Don't worry, ma'am. Our point is that they deliver at home. They are with Paul Estrada.

Mike.

This is Mike.

This is Artic Saim.

This is Artic Saim.

This is Artic Saim.

This is also with the firm. This is the same person. This is the same person. This is also a part of the firm. This is Benny. This is Benny.

This is Mark. Who is in the middle? This is Larrodel. He is also a part of the firm.

He is also a part of the firm. So this is Mark. This is Estrada. This is Mark Pixay. This is Mark Pixay. Estrada is John Paul. Mark Tiksay. Okay. The street is there.

There, there.

I saw this. Their clothes have a logo, Miss Ibis Bay. Is Miss Ibis from Zaldico? Miss Ibis Bay?

Why do the people of Miss Ibis know about the luggage? It helps, ma'am. So, the missivis is the one who brings the luggage? Yes, it helps. We count it because the chopper needs to weigh the luggage. They are the ones who carry the luggage.

Okay.

They are weighing the luggage. So, these are the luggage. Ma'am, this is for large size. For large size, it's hard to carry three. Okay. It's there.

Please tell us, attorney, about the suitcases. We are just showing here that for the large size, it's hard to carry three because it's heavy. The large contains 50 to 70 million pesos. The large that you brought, you said you didn't just exchange dollars, that you know will go to the ICC, the investigators?

We have foreigners who are preparing. But I want to make it clear, ma'am, that they are not claiming that they saw that the 2 million was given to San Y Trillanes or to the ICC. They are not saying anything. You did not see anything like that. That is all you heard and that is what Mark and John Estrada know. But others are insinuating, they derive their conclusion.

What are these? Are these affidavits?

Ma'am, that is a blank pro forma affidavit that they are forced to sign and there is an alternative. Who? Who is forcing you? Ma'am, I don't want to say it because the two are still in the government.

To the effect that...

They signed it...

For?

For the chief and for the work of the Prime Minister.

So that they won't speak?

Yes.

The urge to them not to The government is very persistent in telling them not to go out. Why should we trust you? How can you prove that you really worked for Zaldico,

aside from what you told me?

Even if they verify when we started, if we terminate, they will see our face on the campaign.

We also have an ID.

You have an ID?

Yes, from Congress.

Can I see your ID?

This is the ID of...

Close the door.

Okay.

Close up.

Don't touch it. I'm tampering with evidence so all of you have an ID like that? yes, sir did you get an indication that you worked with Zaldico?

yes, sir, I'm the secretary of Zaldico

oh, Zaldico has an ID? no, it's the sergeant at arms

but Kong has a name

their ID is Ako Bicol ID that they have, that my son Sal has a signature. I'm sorry, but I'll start with the ones who will be intrigued by you.

Maybe you're DDS.

No, ma'am.

You're not Duterte supporters. No, ma'am. That's why you're doing this.

You're not doing this because you are supporting Duterte? No, we are just doing this because we support what Master Sergeant Gutesa and Cong Saldi said. Are you ready for what happened to Gutesa?

Yes, Ma'am. We are ready to fight. You should go to the mountain. Walter?

Yes, Ma'am. We are ready.

This is just a continuation. Is it true that you are not paying Saldi? I'm not afraid of anything Walter? Yes, Walter. I'm ready. I'm just here. I'll just continue my work.

Is it true that you're not getting paid by Saldico?

This is late.

It's late.

How many months have you not been paid?

The separation fee.

The separation fee is not yet. The separation fee is not yet.

We have a salary, but we were removed in January. This Navy in January 2018. Is there no one you can ask about the situation? Is Mark Tixay and Estrada gone? They all went out. Attorney, the people who are saying that they don't believe what 18Marine said, they say that there's a pattern, it's not hard to see that the people who are being criticized are all against Duterte. What can you answer to that? When they identified the names and faces of the people they remember,

we didn't think that they were pro-Duterte or anti-Duterte. We didn't know in the Senate who was pro-Duterte. Of course, aside from Bong Go and Bato de la Rosa, they didn't mention that they delivered to Bato and Bongo. Why? Because from 2022 to 2025, they are opponents of Zaldico.

So why would he deliver to his opponents in politics?

Did Chis Escudero deliver?

That's in their affidavit. You it? It's in their affidavit.

You delivered it?

Yes, in the affidavit.

The only ones I remember are Loren, Soto.

Juan is also there. Bong Revilla.

Bong Revilla, yes.

Juan, Villar.

Erwin Tulfo. The Cayetano, you delivered that.

I don't know. Many are criticizing, why not in the court directly? That's not possible because it involves government officials and you have to pass through the office of the ombudsman because he has primary jurisdiction. Why not just the Senate? Our Senate is politicized. Why not just the House of Representatives? And there are those who are complaining. So we cannot go there. We submit to the Executive, to the Office of the President, to the DOJ.

They are just alter-ego and they are also involved. That's why we still forced them to give this to the office of the ombudsman because we are hoping against hope that the office of the ombudsman will still remain faithful to its mandate under the Constitution. that he can give money, he can deliver money and there are occasions that his staff, who is the staff of Senator Trillanes that sometimes pays for hotel accommodations is that a disc?

It's in the affidavit So you can see Senator Trillanes that he can get money with the money that you deliver Do you know Senator Trillanes who is receiving money from the people you are delivering? Yes, there is one more person who is delivering to our house. And he is also part of the meetings with ICC?

Yes.

So his participation in the meetings you are delivering has to do with ICC, correct? Yes, because ma'am, when ICC investigators arrive, Senator Trillanes is the one who gives her the contact number. So when ICC investigators arrive, she's the one who contacts them. We've arrived, etc. But attorney, unless it's proven that the money was sourced illegally, it's not a case because that. Because when the ICC investigators go here, they would need assistance.

I don't think Trillanes is guilty of any crime, is he? For assisting the ICC inspectors, maybe ethics or moral, whatever. But in the law, he was not violated, was he?

Can I say something?

As a lawyer, Duterte was kidnapped by me.

And he was involved in a conspiracy

for the rendition of Duterte in the Netherlands. And that is a crime, kidnapping. One serious issue for me here, because I am hurt if third world countries like ours are being robbed by the rich. And I know, no less than the US State Department issued an official public statement that the ICC is a corrupt and a politicized institution. We know the record of the ICC. Here, they went to the Philippines first in December of 2023.

The articles of withdrawal were deposited with the United Nations in March of 2018. And under the Rome Statute, ICC has a one-year residual jurisdiction. Yes. So they can still investigate and try crimes covered by the Rome Statute when committed while we were still a member. So they have one year. That residual jurisdiction ended in March 2019.

They have no business investigating in the Philippines in 2023. Okay. Because what we call there is the right of action already lapsed. They have jurisdiction, yes. Because we have to distinguish the existence of jurisdiction and the right of action. So, just like when you stole,

someone stole a penalty of 6 years, the accused will not be found for 6 years, he will not be charged again because the right of action is already lost. This is what we call prescription. This is Guevara's opinion, right? Former DOJ. Yes, ma'am. I think so.

So, in your opinion, are you ready to be destroyed, cut off, and cut off because of what you did?

Yes, ma'am.

This has no background? Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Do you have anything else to say, aside from what I asked?

I have nothing else to say. Attorney, Do you have anything else to say, aside from what I asked? Nothing else, ma'am.

Attorney, do you have anything else to say, aside from what I asked? What I can say at this stage is, our fellow countrymen who are pro or against what we did, let's all work together. Let's give our institutions the work they deserve, even if our expectations are a bit high.

But we have to really cling on to that flicker of hope that our institutions will work. Because when institutions fail, states fail.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Salamat. Salamat.

Salamat sa inyo.