FELIX SIAUW: KITA KAN TAU INI KERJAAN SIAPA OM DED‼️KATANYA AGAMAWAN.. TUHAN ANDA LAWAN.

Can religion be sold or not? The answer is very no. Umroh and Hajj, isn't that a business? Umroh and Hajj is a business. So it's sold. Is it a problem if the minister of religion is not a Muslim?

Interesting question. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. His body has changed a lot. It's dry. It's very thin. Actually, it started because of the fever.

But it's good like this.

Yeah, it was big at the time.

No, I mean, it's just leaner.

Leaner, right. But if you wear a jacket, it doesn't look like it.

Oh yeah?

Yeah, it looks like it's thin. If you wear a jacket.

I'll give a disclaimer first. If I want to mention the name of the person, it's not yet expected. Not yet, but it's already in the government's book. Yes, there's a government's book. But before it's expected, it's not yet certain. It's expected. It's expected. Rather than I say it right away, it's wrong. Because it's not expected. But there are names of our formerministers of our religion in Asia.

And the KPK is investigating the embezzlement of the Hajj quota. They say that up to 20,000 Hajj quota in 2024.

That's a lot of money.

Minimum 1T.

Minimum, 1T.

1T is the minimum. Because it's not HG++? Yes, it's worse. It's a special quote. So if it's calculated per person, it's only 5,000 dollars

if it's sold, that's 1T. It's impossible to have 5,000 dollars.

Yes.

If it's 5.000 dollars. Yeah, if it's 5.000 dollars.

5.000 dollars is only 75 million.

It's impossible to have 75 million.

It's impossible. I know the price is this much, but it's impossible to have that much.

That's right.

It means that we don't know.

Okay. But, Ustadz, if I move his name from there first.

Okay.

Let's say I let him go first, he has no involvement. But I want to raise this, Ustaz. Now, what is being corrupted, I can say, it's the religion. People want to meet Allah.

People want to meet their God. The peak of worship. The peak of worship is there.

I plan to do Umrah next year.

Amen, Rop.

After Umrah, I will go to Hajj. But I will go to Umrah first.

Cool.

I was offered several times by Travel. I always refused. I always said, I can go, but I will give 20 people who need it. So I, but I need 20 people. So I need 20 people.

So it's like you need all the crew?

That's why. But I was rejected by the travel agency. Because they only want to fly me. If they only want to fly me, I said, I'm sorry, I have money to fly you.

I don't need you.

So, the worship will be done with the happiness of the people.

That's right. If that's the case, it's okay. You pay me, I'll pay them. And everything is plus. I think they will be happy together. But that also means that when Travel connects me, and he wants to sponsor,

it's a promo, right?

That's right.

It means there's a business. That's right. And we know that this is the business. Well, there is a business. Because no matter what, the world is still a business. But when it's corrupted,

there was corruption in the Quran. Yes, that's right.

Now it's up to the level, or down to the level.

I think it's the same.

But I think if there is money, it will go up to the level.

It's up. It's up, right? Because the minimum is 1T, right?

Yes.

1T is 1 billion. If it's less, the price is still not that much. Maybe a few.

It will increase if it's corrupted.

Ustad, how do you see religion being corrupted by religious people. Yes. First of all, I know that people's perspective is that... ...if something happens in the religious field, it will be considered worse. And that's not wrong, actually.

I think so, Ustaz.

Right. Not wrong. Because I also think like this. For example, if it's a sexual harassment. With the sexual harassment done by Ustaz, it's clearly worse than the sexual harassment done by the ustad. From the point of view. But what we want to say is that, from the crime point of view, it's still a crime.

Although it is true, ethically, it is very bad. So we talk more badly ethically. Okay, but I'm sorry to interrupt. But if you are a religious ustad or a religious person, your selling is a good deed. I mean, if you're a drug mafia and you rape people, maybe it's not enough, but it's predictable. That's why we say that this is an ethical problem.

Because if it's a legal problem, even if the person who raped, for example, the ustad or the the one who raped the cartel leader, the punishment is still the same. But, ethically, this is a problem. And from that point of view, we can discuss that when there is a religious person, and then he uses his authority in the religious field,

and then he does something that is against religion, this is double. Double... What is it?, this is double. Double... What is it? The sin is double. The sin, yes.

Ethically, it's also double. The sin is double? The sin is double. Is it written? Actually, it's not written. But what I mean is, he did two things.

First, people are hoping for him. Well, that hope itself, if disappointed, this is actually security.

Oh, okay.

If you disappoint them, then the job is not done. And he betrayed God. Of course, he betrayed God. And this is the worst. I've been asking this question for a long time. My father didn't want to enter Islam because he saw that Muslims don't apply Islam themselves.

So, whatever the theory is, it's not valuable for him. If that's the case if there's no example. Now, the problem in Islam, our theory is actually complete, Om. But the problem is, the person who doesn't apply it at all.

In the case of, for example, people who are corrupting the Qur'an, we think, how can it be? The Qur'an is a way for people to get closer to God. You're corrupting the Quran.

That's what I mean. And I don't think I have a chance to be in that position. Because of my knowledge. It's impossible for me to be in that position. And the people who are in that position should be the ones who are corrupting their knowledge.

That's right. We can actually see this in that position. We can't say it legally. Because legally, every editor has the right to choose whatever they want to show or not. That's why when they talk about the BBC, for example, they say, BBC is, we are not covering a crime. We are covering up the crime. Covering up the crime. It means, this is something that we can say ethically.

Just like when there is a Minister of Health, but for example, the Minister of Health smokes.

Yes, that's actually not wrong either. But ethically, you shouldn't.

That's right, shouldn't. It means that people can't predict that he will do that. From that point, we can see that Islam is actually the same. And expectation is a good thing. Why? Because people expect that every person who reaches that level, will be a pillar in religious affairs.

Now we will discuss in depth. The question is, does everyone who sits in a certain position or position, will definitely be a pillar in that matter? For example, let's try to get in. I don't know if this can be talked about in Indonesia. But the problem of Indonesians is that Indonesians are very, very afraid

and very, very afraid to speak the truth and very, very reluctant to speak the truth. If we talk about our friend, Panji, Indonesians have never cut that stupid shit. It means they keep talking, but they don't have the essence. For example, if there is a problem, I'm really happy to talk about the police.

They always say that the fish is rotten from the head. Even yesterday when I went to the police station, someone said that if there's one person who's guilty, they'll be punished two levels above. I agree with that logically. Why? Because the leader will always be responsible for his subordinates. If Om Deddy, for example, is closed the door, he has subordinates.

The subordinates do something bad, even though he may not understand, but Om Deddy is definitely responsible for his mistakes.

Yes, of course.

Because we are the leaders. If we don't want to be blamed, don't be the leader. But try to see how our leaders show how to position people in one place. This is not too good, in my opinion. For example, I don't want to talk about it, because I want to cut that stupid shit. But not everyone is placed in one position based on their actual ability.

For example, we talked about is it the right man in the right place. For example, let's look at the show of the Minister of Religion. When Gustiaku was elected, he said that in this country, this country does not give the minister of religion as a gift for Muslims. I do not agree with that opinion, he said. But he said that the ministry of religion is a gift from the state to the NU. It is related, right? Between him and the NU.

Not for all religious people. For him, no. And this is a very controversial statement. Because imagine how Muhammad heard this. Who also fought to then liberate Indonesia, also sent his representatives to the BPU-PKI, then sent the ulama to build this country

with what they have. This is an extraordinary controversy. Because the Ministry of Religion is a gift for the National Union. Or a gift for the National Union. So it's normal, according to Gus Yacout, that we give more privileges.

Something like that. For, then the National Union. This is one example. So we still think, why is the Minister of Religion chosen like that? Based on that. Is it true? Because minister is like that. Is it true? Because he claimed it like that. Is it true?

And if we talk about the right man in the right place, let's try to develop it again. It turns out that it is very influenced not only by skills, but many other things. The most important thing is how to serve in response to whatever has been done by parties or people in favor of the election?

Using my example, Ustaz. I am a Minister of Defense.

I want to go there later. Now? In the field of communication and social. Actually, if I want to open a little, there are two choices that I reject. Because for me, when I was in the process of making a plea, I helped Mr. Shafri. And I felt that when it comes to communication,

and actually, I don't have... We don't have the right to make any decision. They don't have the right at all. Because their job is to give advice. About communication. According to our expertise. But still, Ustaz, or anyone can say, the smarter than me is more.

The more competent is more.

There will be no end, Ustaz.

I've already thought about it in the car. And I've got than you. Okay. The more competent, the more. There will be no end to it, Sir. I've been thinking about it in the car, and I've got the answer. And I hope it's not a joke, because the person is in front of me. So this is not a joke, but it's a bit of a joke. It's okay if we're angry. If Om Daddy, we can argue that I know more than Om Daddy.

But Om Daddy already the data and facts. You have the biggest podcast in Indonesia. It can't be debated. How do you debate it? Okay, it can be debated, but he doesn't have a defense knowledge. What he did was not defense knowledge, but communication.

My question is, we don't have to talk about the defense minister. We're talking about communication. My question is, we don't have to talk about the Ministry of Defense. We're talking about communication. And the worst disease, not only in the Ministry of Defense, but in all the ministries in Indonesia is communication.

Okay, now I'll defend Gus Yacout. Based on what Ustaz Farid said earlier, he is also one of the figures in religion, in a certain place, a figure in religion, I mean. In quotes, in a certain place, a figure in religion. If you want a smarter debate, or more honest, or whatever, it can't be done, because how can you compare Gusiah Kut with others?

Well, here...

Especially in religion, you know.

If Ustaz said earlier, the number of followers can be counted, right? Right. But what if, what if the religious experts... How can we be religious experts when there are so many...

...what is it, negative studies?

That's right. So, from that point of view, if we look at it from a more general perspective, I said that the first thing we have to look at is the determination of the people who will be included in the ministry. The first time it is determined based on who supports the coalition. That's normal, I think. That's normal, And that's okay.

But facilitating that is giving a gap or giving people a chance to misuse power.

That's right.

For example, how many ministers were there in the time of Mr. Prabowo? 48, right? 48 ministers, 55 deputies. And there I want to talk about the staff. I think the staff is the most qualified. Because the staff is specialized.

And it can be. They can be more in control than the minister. Like the case of the One Piece flag was raised. When the minister said that the flag was against the law, the number, the year, it turned out that there was nothing.

I said, I can say it.

Yes, that's funny. I watched the question from the kids. Well, it means that I see that the it is something that we have to look at. So the staff should be more qualified than the minister. Back again, okay, that's the first question. The question is about the coalition and finally deciding people to go there.

Okay, now we're talking about the situation. The question is, can we determine if there is someone more qualified, for example, in the field of religion, than someone else, for example. The answer is yes. Okay. ...to be a school head. At least he has to be a teacher first. In that school. It's so weird, if suddenly... ...for example, there's someone from a laundry man suddenly becomes a school head.

He has never handled the lower level... ...how he handles the upper level.

In the data system, I mean.

In the data system. If from a school head to a teacher... ...it might be better. Because he's going down, right? In terms of managerial, he's down, not up. But in terms of managerial, if there are people who haven't been proven and all that. But he was said again, but he was once the head of the SOR, for example. Well, there, try to discuss it, see it.

This is not an ad hominem, but what is done when you become the head of the SOR, for example. How is the reaction in handling one problem? So, it can be learned. Yes, it can be learned. There is a track record. And the track record can be learned. What kind of person is he? What kind of way of speaking is he?

Can I interrupt?

Yes, you can.

When someone is in one of the cabinet, if the context is that this person is definitely supporting the government, or the voters, etc. I dare to say that it is normal. Because, yes, they support. For example, there is one person who supports,

one person who doesn't support. When I become anyone, I will choose the person who supports me.

Is that human? Human. The problem is choosing the right person to support.

That's the point, right?

Right. Because there are two conditions. Because there are two conditions. There are two more. First, in terms of loyalty.

True.

We choose the loyal one over the smart one.

True.

The second one is loyal and capable.

Loyal and capable. I mean, I know some Ustaz in Indonesia. I'm closest to three or four people. One of them is Ustaz Felix. If there's something, I'll ask the person I know.

True.

That's normal.

True. If there's something, I'll ask. The person I know, right? That's right. That's normal. But I'll also find out if I can or not. It's impossible for you to call me and ask how to enlarge your muscles.

That's right. We're not in the same place. Well, it means that this election is critical, right?

Very. Because that's what determines. But, can I still forget about that first? Sure, I'll chase you again.

It's okay. I'll try to forget about it first.

But now we're talking about him or anyone to get a certain position in a ministry that is quote-unquote -"Religion". -"Religion". That's a burden. Yes. Of course.

It's a burden. I mean... For me, I don't know if the Ministry say that the Ministry of Defense is extremely burdened. Because it's from the domestic, internal, and external sectors. But the burden of religion is not only here, but also there. It's not only in this world, but also in the afterlife. Shouldn't someone have a moral first?

When he becomes someone... I'm a bit difficult. I understand I'm being lazy. Becoming someone who has power. Then, this is my question. Can religion be sold or not? Quotes on quotes. Do you understand?

I understand. I'll give you an analogy... ...so that later on, the question of Om Deddy will be clearer. Once upon a time, I was asked by my father... ...to fill in the employees. So, the simple rule is... ...how can these children have integrity?

He can be honest. Because sometimes, if the dad trusts something in them... ...the asset is not kept. Or the asset is used for something else. For example, if you break a car, it will be grabbed or hijacked. How do you do it, Lik? I told my father, P, listen, we both know, I told my father,

that these kids, even during the morning and afternoon training, at night they go out for entertainment. And we, in the company, sometimes pay for the entertainment. For them to entertain people to get a job, for example. Or to get a deal, for example. Then I told my father,

Papi, do you know that if it's good, it's one package, and if it's bad, it's one package? If you allow, sorry, if you hope they are honest, you can't let them do something bad in front of you. Well, from then on, we learned that the office, when it is used for something, including in the Ministry of Religion, is actually one package.

It means that if we ever see the track record again, or we see something bad, and it happens. If we let it go, then we seem to let it do the bad things. So the Prophet said, please help your brother in kindness. Then please help your brother in oppression. Well, how do you help your brother in oppression?

Help him not to do that. But if we let it happen, it will be like that. For example, when someone comes to us to borrow money, we ask how much, 10 million. The first time we see what?

A track record.

Has he ever borrowed money from us or not? Pay or not? And we ask other friends, has he ever borrowed? Return or not, pay or not. And we ask other friends, have they ever borrowed money? We already know, out of 10 people who borrow money,

12 of them don't pay. So when we give, either we are willing to... At best, we give 1 million, 2 million, just take it. Yes, that's right. You don't have to borrow, just take it. Or we don't give at all. But if we have given a loan, it means we are expecting something to be cruel, right?

Well, at this point, I actually said that the question is, can religion be sold or not? The answer is, it is very impossible.

Sorry, maybe I asked the wrong question. Now, umroh and haji, isn't that a business?

Umroh and haji is a business.

It means it is sold.

It means it is sold, being sold in an Islamic way. That's why Islam also has a business. So there are businesses that are in accordance with religion, and there are businesses that are not in accordance with religion. Okay, so it's okay to sell something that is based on religion? It's totally okay.

It's okay?

It's okay. Teaching the Quran, for example, if Om. I pay for my teacher. His teacher said, for example, for every 500,000 sessions, it's okay.

It's okay?

It's really okay. That's why there are businesses that are in accordance with religion, and there are businesses that are not in accordance with religion. Okay, so religion is almost the same as science, which can be used for life. Right. Every time there is a benefit, there's a reward. Okay, so we're clear on that. Okay, so... I'm sorry if I said something wrong,

but religion can be used as a business,

if it's true.

If it's true. But it's not a quote-unquote selling religion. There's someone who sells religion.

That's different. I know that. What we're talking about is I know that. If we talk about this, it can be a business. It can be a business.

It can be a business.

Well, it's the same. The sacrifice of a cow is also a business. If we talk about it like that. There is a profit, right? There is no profit for the seller, right?

Even every worship has a business potential. For example, if someone wants to cover his mouth.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I need a shirt. Suddenly, someone is ready to sell there.

That's what I do. I educate people about the importance of closing their mouths. I provide the product. That's what business education is about. But in the right way.

Okay, okay.

So, it's okay?

It's okay, it's really okay. Okay. And what's the law? The law is flexible, it means it's allowed. So when there are religious matters, then we do business, then the law is allowed. Okay. It's just that it will be adjusted later on how Islam views the business, whether it's allowed or not.

If it's corruption, it was there in the old days, right? It was there in the old days. It was there in the era of Rasul.

Well, try to tell it. And what is the legal way?

Okay. In the era of Rasul, there were many violations. Sorry, in the era of Rasul, Rasul did a lot of systemic or individual actions to prevent the violations. Because we know that the higher the power, the higher the power, tend to corruption, it will be higher. So, Rasul said to the companions who were sent to go to one area, you go to one area, take their zakat, for example. Then Rasul said, don't accept anything.

Accept them. There was a companion who came to Rasulullah, then said, this zakat is for me. This is part of you, this is part of me. Rasul said, this zakat is for me. This is your part, this is my part. Rasul said, no, here. He said, no, this is given to me by the owner.

Then Rasul replied, maybe the owner gave it to you if you don't have a job. No, it means it's not yours. It means the gratification is zeroed. Moreover, Rasul also said when he went to a place, that he was not allowed to receive a gift if he was a servant.

Therefore, all the servants in Islam are not allowed to receive gifts, gratification in any form. Even when he is a guest, then he is prioritized, to move forward, that is also not allowed. Because of the position? Because of the position, it is not allowed.

Unless in some... If it's necessary, right? Because the office is important for him to move forward, right? Unless there's a special reason. For example, when he has to give a welcome in front, or he has to teach in front, it's normal if he doesn't do it. The point is the reason is strong, not the office.

Sometimes I'm also a little nervous and feel unethical when there's a boss. I was like, please, boss, go straight ahead.

That's also a must, right?

That's why we feel unethical.

But we also refuse.

It's not good to refuse. Because I think it's also true. If it's like me, I'm there. That's what makes it messy. People ask for photos, people contact. I mean, sometimes I go to the hospital,

and when I get there, the management will wait for me in this room. I said, for God's sake, it's okay, I'll just be here. Then I thought, yes, I'm here. That's not because of Stavsus, it's because of famous. Because it's famous. But it means we get positive values. Not positive values, but there are privileges.

Understandable. That's normal. So, it can still be considered. Corruption at that time. If he had become an official, then it was not allowed. Corruption in the time of Rasulullah, everything has been made by the system, from the individual, it has been told, it's not your money. So, if there is your money, you enjoy it, it means it's haram.

If it's haram, in the hereafter, it will be held accountable. The problem is, if people are not sure about the hereafter. If people are not sure about the hereafter, even though they are Muslims, there are only two things that can keep them from doing that, there are only two. One is peer pressure or community. The second is the law.

How is it when someone with that position and a certain religion doesn't believe in the afterlife?

Wow, the reality is almost all religious people don't believe in the afterlife. It's so easy. Because if they believe in the afterlife, they can't fight it.

I'm not talking to you, Coki. If it's already a religious label,

they should believe in the afterlife.

Do you believe it, sir? If everyone believes in the afterlife, I don't have a job anymore. I just want to open a closed door. Or I'll be your staff. Because there's nothing to fix. Because there's no need't need it anymore, because people already believe in the hereafter.

So according to the ustad, even though someone is religious, or even has a very high status in religion,

not necessarily believe in the hereafter.

Not necessarily believe in the hereafter.

Then it's just a make-up of religion.

Maybe he doesn't realize, if he doesn't believe in the afterlife. But we always see this. There is something behind every activity. For example, there is someone who is willing not to eat for his child. That means we know that his child is more important than him.

Okay.

That's also when he knows that this is something that is forbidden. But he uses it or he takes advantage of it. That means he doesn't believe in the answer. Or because there is no real example in his eyes. It could be, yes. But maybe, if it's a real example, I think

the example can be seen or read. Yes, that's why in religion we can't say it's a real example. Rasulullah. Yes, I mean, the example of the hereafter is difficult. Yes, right. Because if the here see the afterlife, it's not a religion anymore. Yes, that's why.

And the problem is that people who are not sure are not blind. It means that in the Quran it says this, if they see with their eyes, they are not sure. Because the problem is in the mind. Because only people who think can receive a warning. If people don't think, they can't receive a warning. For example, we are on the 17th floor.

Suddenly there is an announcement, this is not a drill, this is not a drill, this is emergency. There is a fire and all kinds of things. Everyone is asked to go down. Those who think, can only make sure, is this sure that the source is valid?

If the source is valid, it will go down. But if people don't think, they will say, ah, just kidding. I think it's just a test.

I don't accept what you're saying.

Why?

This is not apple to apple.

How?

If you said something like that, I can do something like that. For example? Okay, I mean, suddenly there is news about the world war, suddenly Indonesia is going to be nuclear. I will...

Ah, it's not certain. It's a hoax.

That's a sign of thinking.

Okay, a sign of thinking.

A sign of thinking, because Om is looking for verification.

Okay.

Well, it's only people who think that way.

But someone who already has a religion... I'm not talking about religion. Someone who already has a religious status like that, doesn't have to think about the hereafter. He should already believe in the hereafter.

The reality is, people who learn religion in Indonesia are not started from the why. They don't start from why I am a Muslim. The ending is in the hereafter, if we talk about it. That's why, because people don't start with why.

Am I stupid or what?

I also think I'm stupid. I think I'm crazy. I think when I enter Islam, is how can you not understand simple questions, sorry, simple answers like this, I mean. Simple understanding.

About me, if you are sure there is an hereafter, you shouldn't do all the bad things. But in fact, I found it like that.

I'm like this, Sat. This is out of topic, Sat.

Okay.

I hate the most the netizens' comments, for example, I'm having something, then they say, ah, there's no afterlife. I know, Sat, you understand, right?

I understand. They make the world smaller, because they feel they have an afterlife.

Yes, even people who work out at the gym, I'm working out at the gym,

later in the afterlife, my muscles won't be used. Do you know who can say that? People who don't have an afterlife.

Why do you say that?

Because, for business, try to think about it, for the world, they don't understand, how can they understand the afterlife? So, just like this, you practice, later you will be healthy, they don't understand that. They don't understand the afterlife. How can you say something you didn't see earlier?

That's right. So I think like this, if there is someone who says, if we are already fortunate, we must be rich too. Why do we have to work hard? Why do we have to study until we're in the third grade? Was Rasul in the third grade? No, right?

What does it mean? If we're rich, we'll definitely get it too. Guys, that's something very simple. You do this, you get this.

Yes, yes, yes.

One plus one is two. I don't understand, how can I make them say the afterlife? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, this is my answer It's the same, I have an unpopular opinion I'm sure a lot of people are heartbroken by this But I'm sure in their hearts they agree

A lot of people are heartbroken, we're ready with the words of The Phoenix Shower

But I'm sure a lot of people agree Try to imagine, have you ever been to a mosque? I have Have you? Are the managers old or young? Old. Old. Retired, right?

Retired, yes.

Because usually people who are retired want to focus on religion. My question is simple. They can't be used in the office anymore. They can't even manage the world. How can you be hired to manage the afterlife? I'm sorry. How do you...

Even though in the eyes of Muslims, the afterlife is more important than the world. Just to manage the world, you don't use it anymore. I'm sorry, you have to rest first. Because to manage this, you have to think more. For this development, you have to have more energy and everything.

If it's the other way around, maybe they think that we have to help them who are already old and retired. Well, that means the view is not to the mosque, but to the people. What we want to develop is not the people, but the mosque.

Oh.

If you put it that way, I lost the debate.

It means, it should be the young people who are trusted to be the mosque's manager. Because they still have potential. They can still think. They still have time. Not the time left and the thoughts. And actually, there is money if you want.

Yes.

And what for the parents? Uncle, I'm old, I think like this. It's really good, if we are old, uncle. When people come, they say, Sir, I have a problem, sir. This engine never runs.

Be patient, Riana.

Well, sir, do you need money? You know what I mean. He doesn't believe in the afterlife and he's saying, there are a lot of people with that kind of status. I can say that there are a lot of people who don't believe in the afterlife.

But they use their religion as if they're looking for money.

There must be. There must be. But I can't say... So, there are also people who are experts. Of course there are. Of course there are. But I can't say... What is it called? So, there are a few things, Om, that we can only know as experts. Like this, Om. For example, we talk about bodybuilding.

Om, you can't be doubted anymore. You are one of those people who can exceed that limit.

But you're stupid, right?

Eh, we want to discuss this, I have this. Do you know, when I was researching, Neymar, it turns out that when he plays ball, his brain frequency decreases.

Oh yeah, that's right.

It means that people who have reached a point of habits don't even think at all.

Oh yeah, that's right.

And when I was thinking, I became lazy to exercise. But that's not what I meant.

It's different.

Because when we go to the gym, you're the one who talks, right? Or who's talking to me? If I'm not mistaken, you're the one who talks. If someone goes to the gym, and then wants to say, I want to be healthy, it's bullshit.

Bullshit, I'm to be healthy. Bullshit. Bullshit, I said it. It's your place again.

Yes, because Om said he definitely wanted to look...

...cool.

But Om said that, I understand. That's not judging. I know, Om said that because Om is an expert there. We're not judging people. It means we can see. Sometimes Om might see,

Oh, he's for health. But most of all... Mostly like that it's because they have a good body

because, Ustad, I can say one thing because if someone has been hit by sugar and so on, their body also becomes bad

yes, so what they see is their body first because if they want to know about sugar, they go to the doctor that's right, so if the question is replaced maybe their religious leaders also don't understand the afterlife.

I understand what you're saying.

From whatever perspective we look at, it can only be the experts, who are sincere, they can see the signs, and they won't be able to speak. They won't be able to speak in public.

Because they see, they can only pray, hopefully not. But they see, the signs are like this. If it looks like this, it means that what's in the head should be like this. That's what I mean. For example, we know there are some good quotes.

For example, a heart that loves, can't hurt Lisa. If Lisa is already sick, there is a problem with the software, with the heart. Because the hardware is dependent on the software. So, we can see it from this point. We can't judge, but if we say, are there religious leaders who are sorry,

they only do research because of money, it can be. Those who do research not because of faith in the hereafter, it can be. Allahumma shabab. Ustaz, but if you say it like that, now we forget, okay, I want to draw a line first. We don't want to talk about people. I don't want to talk about the current Minister of Religion.

The one who is currently on duty. I'll throw that away first. Because he's on duty. We don't know yet. Let's go back. It means there will always be a risk when you put that position. Right. And I also got some information about the corruption of Al-Quran. He who became the basic minister of religion is a victim.

Victim?

I got it. We don't know. But let's go back. Ass Religious Affairs is a victim. Victim? The one I got, yes. We don't know. But let's go back.

Assume that he is a victim.

Assume that he is a victim. But we know that in the law, people don't see it as just an intention. But what is seen is what happened. And who is responsible for that. Well, it means that if we talk about, for example,

the potential will always be there. So, that's what has happened and we've seen it. It means that we are actually talking about not only individuals. Because individuals are just one initial pillar to avoid corruption. So, trust in the hereafter is the first pillar and the weakest pillar in Islam.

So, it's not final yet.

Not final yet. There is a second pillar, peer pressure or ukhwa. So, we know now that corruption can only happen if it is done collectively. Corruption is rare. Then the third is legal certainty. That's why it's not surprising when someone says that the first thing you have to correct is the justice system. The justice system.

But peer pressure is a pressure.

Peer pressure is from the community. For example, someone commits a crime, it's a success if the others follow. So, it has to be a batch.

But he can refuse.

He can refuse, but it's very difficult. And this is what happens now. Let's not talk about people who refuse corruption. There's a social smoker, for example. In one place, everyone else smokes. Is it possible for him to not smoke?

It's very difficult. Especially in the case of being demoted, for example. When he was left out, not going to work, and all that. There are so many cases like that.

Because he didn't join the group.

Simply, when they go out, when they go on a visit, they can get a loan later, for example. He went for one day, but the loan was for 3 days. It's that simple. If he didn't want to go, he wouldn't have been included in anything.

I remember, suddenly, Prabu said,

-"No team, no more." Well, it's a waste of time. This is the second pressure. But this is not as strong as the third. The third is legal certainty. That's very important.

That's why in the Umar bin Khotob's time, the level of the family was regulated. So, when Umar bin Khotob's son came to meet his father, it was human, of course. Of course, the son couldn't meet his father, who was a state officer. But when he came in, Umar stopped him. He said, what is this matter?

Is it a personal matter or a state matter? If it's a personal matter, I can't use this facility. But if it's a state matter, okay, we can talk here. This is one of the examples. Or from other things too, in the limitation of this is related to the individual. For example, Mr. Parbow is really good when he says efficiency. But the question is, is this efficiency visible or not?

Is it felt or not? Or we can say for people who are in Indonesia now, are they looking at this seriously or not? This efficiency.

Or have they felt the effect yet?

The effect is not yet. In the time of Rasulullah, it was really felt. Rasulullah slept on the palm of the hand, for example. Then when Omar came and said, Rasulullah, the Persian kings, they are only given the world. They sleep in the best place, they sleep in the best bed. We see you, Ya Rasulullah, you sleep in the house when you wake up,

your body is all tied up behind. Then how is this story? Then the Messenger of Allah said, O Omar, what is my business with the world? See how a messenger guides his judges. The result is that Umar, who went to the Baitul Maqdis, received the key to the Kudus Cemetery

with a hole in his shirt.

If this is the case, he ran with an example.

Individually, with an example.

But sometimes, I... I also speak a bit difficult, right? I mean, I'm not judging, but we know our position.

But sometimes to have a good goal. Yes. We don't have to be ideal.

Yes. Do you understand what I mean?

That's a debate with Feri Ruandi. I have a lot in common with Feri, but I also have a difference that he is a materialist. I am a process person, he is a result person. So, he takes for the greater good. I don't have a reason to do it for the greater good. If I were him, I would go back to the past because I gave an example. The path has to be good.

There is something interesting that happened to Imam Ahmad bin Hambal. When he was told to, in quotation marks, do something against his beliefs. He admitted that the Quran is a creature. Because he believed that the Quran is the word of God. So when he was tortured to such an extent, then he was told, just say it, this is only related to the issue of bureaucracy.

This is not about belief. You are allowed to do it, It is allowed in the Sharia. What did he say? He said, the prison guard, try to look from behind the prison window. What did you see? The prison guard said, we saw Baghdadis standing in front of their doors and doors

with notes in their hands, noting what Ahmad bin Hambal would do. So, Ahmad bin Hambal said something that I think is the quote of my life. He said, Is it necessary for Ahmad to be safe while others are lost? For me, there is no for the greater good. I am loyal to the process.

Even though maybe...

Ferry Ruandi, for the greater good.

For the greater good.

Because he will research, please. Yes, yes. That's why my statement was, if this is done, I have to make a sacrifice first for something better. It shouldn't be like that. But it has been answered by Ustaz.

This is a different view. Choice.

This is a choice and a different view. Okay, let's go back to the corruption of the Quran now. Is it written in the Quran itself? Corruption in the Quran. Is it written in the Quran? The Prophet said that you can't take this and that.

But is it written or not? Or was there corruption in the religion?

There are many rules in the Quran that areullah regarding the misuse of wo'onang. It means that there are people who accept the gratification of misuse of wo'onang.

But this is not about religion.

Actually, it is a religion. So in Islam, religion regulates all activities. From being a citizen to entering the toilet. That is part of religion. So when Rasulullah... The interesting thing is, people say, why is Muhammad

become a very influential figure in the world? The answer is because his rule in the mosque is the same as his rule when he was the head of state.

Okay, okay.

So the value is the same. So the consequences of the law are also the same. If it is not perfect, it means you will be sinned. If it is perfect, it, you will be punished. If you obey, you will be rewarded. What is the punishment for Rasul? To the people who do that. They are removed directly from their activities. When Rasul saw that there was an unsafe person, he was immediately removed.

That's why there was once someone named Abu Zar al-Ghifari. This person from Bani Ghifar. This is a beggar. So imagine, a village of beggarar, and this is his boss. His name is Abu Zar al-Ghifari. He was incredibly strong. Incredibly brave.

He was so stubborn, that he didn't want to be his friend. Imagine, this person, because he was so stubborn with religion, other people, like other friends, didn't want to be his friend. Because his mouth was spicy. One day, he told Rasulullah, Ya Rasulullah, give me a position. Give me security. Okay. Rasulullah said, Abu Zar, you are a weak person.

You don't become a... What is it called? Don't become a officer.

He's a police officer.

Why? Because you are a weak person. Why? Because you can't even communicate with people. In quotation marks. That's the reason, and die alone. Because people are not suitable. He's right, but he speaks straight. What do we expect from people who used to be tough?

People are tough, right? But it means that in the time of the Prophet, it happened. In the Umar era, everything was taken off. Taken off? Taken off. And not only taken off, but also made poor.

Made poor.

If now there is a ru surplus in the RUU now, in the Islamic era, it's the opposite.

What is it?

So for example, you are promoted to be an officer. Suddenly you have a house worth 50 billion. Or have an asset worth 50 billion. Even though your rent is only 3 million a year. Sorry, a year. A month is only 3 million, for example.

Or a month get 3 million. Sorry, a month you only get 3 million. Or a month you only get 10 million. But suddenly you have that much assets. Then the reverse proof says, Om, prove to me where you get that money from. If you can't prove it, I'll withdraw it.

Okay, but if this is already proven, if it's proven, it's already clear where the money comes from. Correct.

In the case of the corruption of Hajj. In the case of the corruption of Hajj or the Quran, it's already clear. Quran or the city of Hajj.

Yes, both of them. And the person is no longer in office, if it's true. That's right.

The context, Ustadz said that the punishment is the same. The punishment is the same. If he is no serve his duty anymore. In Islam, the first punishment is to be removed. The second is to be held accountable for what caused the problem. If he is a thief, the thief is returned and he is punished. In Islam, if the thief is punished, it is cut off his hand.

If it is more than 1.4 dinars. If it is bigger than that, in the matter of corruption, then the punishment cannot be equated with the thief. What's interesting is that the punishment can be worse than a cut of the hand.

Like in China.

Yes, that's right. For example, someone told me, is a cut of the hand a corruption? As far as I know, no. Because a cut of the hand is for something that is worth 1.4 dinars. And the person who loses, maybe only one. But imagine, if it's a Hajj city, for example, it's 10,000 people who are divided, for example.

Put it like that, 10,000 people. That means there are 10,000 people who have to leave for Hajj this year.

No, no, no.

It won't happen. Maybe someone has saved 30 years, he prayed for 20 years, and he didn't leave. But, Ustaz, we can't say that the punishment we, it was the law. But in the modern era? There are two conditions for the law. First, the law is something that will not make him repeat it again. That's the first.

Second, it is in accordance with the extent of what he did. So that other people feel that justice is being enforced. But actually, at that time, there was already a death penalty from the Ministry of Justice. Correct. But it has never so on. True. At that time, it was never implemented. True. But the law, if I'm not mistaken, has already existed.

Actually, the current laws, if we look at it from the perspective of these two things, is the law first felt fair to humans? Because the government's job is to enforce justice. As long as justice is felt, the people will never feel weak. So first there must be a sense of justice. If a thief steals one chicken,

the punishment for the thief who steals two chickens is the same. But now, for example, a thief who steals six logs and a thief who steals six hectares...

We still use the law from the Dutch era.

That's it. But there is no sense of justice. The old people who cried. Even though it was finally solved because it was viral.

But the problem is, the law was like that in the past. This is still the Dutch law.

People say that law has levels. And the highest level is the ethics. So, why is it called judge? Why is it called judge, not judge? A judge has something more than just deciding what is right or wrong.

He is called a representative of God.

That's right.

For example, I was so happy when the police... ...when there was a child... ...who complained about his mother, what excuse do you want? You should slap him first. Any excuse, you should complain about your mother.

This is not reasonable, right? Complaining about my mother can't give me a motorcycle. You should slap him first, at least. Why do you complain about your mother? Unless your mother is a KDRT or something. That's the difference. Legally, maybe your mom is wrong.

But ethically, it's actually higher. So if we talk about the punishment of people, first, there must be a sense of justice. Second, there must be an effect to not let it happen again. Whether it's that person or someone else. In Indonesia, it's not yet visible.

Yesterday I read about the rule of the rule of the asset. Why is it necessary? Because there are a number of corrupt people, for example. The corruption is trillions. The country can only return around a billion. This is really scary.

So, actually, if we talk about it, actually now, in my opinion, it's better now. Because it's all been dismantled. In the past, it was billions. But now it's been dismantled.

Trillions?

Hundreds of trillions.

Right. We didn't even think it could be such a big corruption. Right.

But now it's all been dismantled.

Right.

I think it's better now. But there's one interesting thing. I want to ask Ustaz. Why? This is not related. But I'm sure Ustaz will be interested.

Why is the corruption of Pertamina more interesting than the corruption of Haji?

Yes. 200 trillion?

Yes.

More? Yes. But why, right? Yes. 120?

Yes. More, right? Yes. But why is it more exciting in society? Actually, if I look at the corruption of Pertamina, Pertamina or other companies,

I think the society should be more angry than Hajj. I can answer from several things. First, not everyone is Hajji, but everyone goes to fill up the gas. That's the first.

Yes, that's the logical answer.

Second, the number is hundreds of times.

Hundreds of times.

It means people see it again. People ask me, what is One Piece about? Sea of ​​Ocean? No, not the sea of ​​ocean. One Piece is about the fight against the law. The law. One Piece is about the resistance to equality. Equality. It means that people feel that there are people who can really be equal. Change the number.

And all the people who feel ill, it seems to be back to equality. That is the easiest way for me to trigger the people. Because equality is the opposite of justice. Which is then explained by the scholars that justice is a pillar of a country. As long as the people see that, they will not be broken.

Do you think these people, or these people, we quote, these people, do you know that they will suddenly collapse?

I don't think so. And it seems, if I become a corrupt person, yes, sir, I will not let myself fall alone.

It means, if I am a corrupt person, right? I will not let myself fall alone.

It means, if I'm a corrupt person, and I'm... I'm not smart, I'm corrupt. I will make sure, if I do that, I have a network of security. It means, he knows that this can happen, but he has prepared it. That's why he's brave. Artinya, dia tau bahwasannya ini bisa terjadi tapi dia udah nyiapin pastinya. Makanya dia berani kan? Kalo andai kan om, andai kan ya, dia ga punya backing apapun mana berani om?

Berarti anda mau mengatakan pengamannya sudah tidak kuat?

Hmm... bisa jadi.

Aku cuma membaca ya.

Maksudnya kalo begitu kan berarti pengamannya udah ga kuat, makanya tiba-tiba dibongkar dong? I'm just reading. I mean, if that's the case, the security is not strong anymore, that's why it was suddenly dismantled.

I think, if I were you, we try to talk, we don't talk about the country.

Let's talk about something else.

I'm going to be shit now. Cut this, but I'm going to be shit now. But it's okay, God willing, people will understand. If I were a director in a company, then I make something fictitious, or I make something corrupt in that company.

Then the first thing I do to make sure the network is safe is to make the person who continues me as a director understand this game and I will invite him.

he can protect me. so now the network is gone, right? The wind is turns around.

True. This is it.

So I said this from the beginning, I want to go to where, because it's like this, because it's like this, uncle.

Don't.

Because we know, right? Yes. We know that everything can be a weapon. Yes. I mean, everything can be a weapon. I mean, everything can be a weapon. Even something that should be good can be a weapon to defeat the political opponents. Or to bring down the interests.

Because not all things in a coalition are of one interest. Maybe the interests of the moment. But for example, at least history has recorded that the police can be a political tool. Or the army can be a political tool. Especially if it's just like other things, like the KPK and all that. It can be a political tool. We're not saying it's a no-no.

But until now, I see that the people still really trust the KPK. Because as I said earlier, what is it? There is something better than nothing. So we see something like corruption that is hundreds of millions of dollars, and all kinds of things, it's better than nothing.

Although in the end it can be debated too. Have you ever read about the theory of the plane repairman? The one in the world war. Oh, I know, The people who were in the World War.

Oh, I know. The one who got shot in which part? Because the others were all down. Correct.

It means that what they repaired was wrong, actually.

Not that.

Because what appears is not something we have to repair. What doesn't appear is what we have to repair.

Yes, yes, yes. That's it. Maybe you should explain the theory first.

Because if not, people won't understand. The theory is like this.

There are planes in the world war. Scientists are thinking about how the planes can be more resistant to attacks.

Yes, that's right.

And finally, the planes that arrived were seen where the shots were fired.

Where the holes are.

Where the holes are.

So the scientists strengthened that part. It turns out that after they think, we are stupid Because the fact is, if you get shot there, it's okay Because the others are already destroyed

The others are already destroyed

Not reach So what we have to share is something that is invisible

That is invisible

If you get shot here, you still go home

Still go home Those who get shot elsewhere, don't go home

Those who don't go home, means they get shot elsewhere So those who don't get shot sometimes, needs to be more careful. Because it can be the real problem. Yes, that's why, now, also, in this era of Mr. Prabowo,

what is expected is to eliminate, not replace the player.

Correct. That's what is expected. Correct. I hope so. I hope Mr. Prabowo sees that there is something, even though I really understand. If I were Mr. Prabowo, I would be crazy. Because Indonesia's problem is too big.

We are also confused about where to start. That's why the Ustaz, the Ulamas, take the easiest way. Which is to start with education. Because we know that when... For example, if the Ulama sees from the outside, then he just looks.

So, like a player, he saw a football player. And then he saw it from the outside, from the audience. And he said, Okay, what we can do is to educate the players, so that great players will appear in the future. While Mr. Prabowo is like a person who plays on the field.

Like last year's MU, where did you lose last year? I'm talking about I think he's not watching I think he doesn't feel that there's a lot of security

That's the problem

That's right There's a lot of problems I hope it's not like this That's why I only pray that he has good people around him Or to have a lot of good people around him At least when he doesn't change

He's not changed by him. At least, when he doesn't change, he doesn't get changed by that evil. At least. It means he doesn't become a part of that player. We understand. That's why, if we talk about things like this, am I ashamed as a Muslim?

Then, we don't need to discuss, Uncle Dedy asked me, who has no connection with the government. But there was someone outside, my father asked, Lik, there's a hajj corruption.

I can't say anything.

What do you want to say? For them, we are the same.

Right?

They don't see Om Deddy, they see Om Deddy as a Muslim. What are you doing in religion that is clearly... Clearly, it's obvious. It's like a markup, a church. Yes, yes. It's unimaginable.

That's why there's a saying, it's so funny.

Do you know that when Kaabah is destroyed, it's already bad, it needs to be renovated.

It needs to be renovated by the Quraish.

Before Rasul ruled Mecca. So it means that Rasul still ruled Mecca. So it's like a markup. It's like bad, it needs to be renovated. It will be renovated by the Quraish people. Before Rasul ruled Mecca. So it means Rasul is not yet a prophet and Rasul.

Now they are going to renovate the Kaabah. The head of the committee, his name is Walid bin Mugiroh, said this, Hey guys, later when we collect our money to build this Kaabah, make sure the money is halal. Don't make it unhalal.

Because we're building Kaabah.

Imagine, around now, imagine, the Quraish people and us, they lost. What did we admit? We followed the Prophet. But we, in practice, even more noble Quraish, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's because the money is not enough, uncle. Oh, because it's not enough? Because the money is not enough, uncle. Well, that's just choosing, right? If you want to do something bad, you have to choose where to do it. Yes, that's right. You can take the other one.

Don't take this one, okay?

You can rob, you know, because they... This is what we're talking about, right? I think the Kaabah is a city, because the money is not enough, Om. It means in the old days, they thought, well, for Allah's house, we build it according to the money we have, don't force it.

Don't force it, yes, yes.

Now people are even borrowing.

Yes, again.

But, is there a time when the Prophet was first, when he chose a leader, what was the condition? Is there? What are the requirements? The requirements of a leader in Islam, when scholars codify, there are several. Muslim, Balik, Berakal, and so on, it's okay, it's already a normal requirement. But what is interesting is capable.

Capable is difficult.

That's right. That's why Rasulullah chose people, so Rasulullah indirectly stated that leading something is the same as praying. If we want to be a prayer leader, first we have to know what prayer is. Second, we have to be able to organize the congregation and the congregation also knows who we are.

Okay. Is it a problem if the minister of religion is not a Muslim? An interesting question. In Islam, of course there is no Minister of Religion. That's the first. And if there is a Minister of Religion, then he must be a Muslim. He must be a Muslim.

It means that every office is a Muslim, it is something that is mandatory. Except for the offices that are not essential to govern the lives of many people. For example, the gathering of the ummah is allowed for non-Muslim masjid of the ummah is allowed for non-Muslims. The head of the school is allowed for non-Muslims. The company is allowed for non-Muslims. Even the media, back to the staffsus for example.

The question is simple. If later Islam has power, based on Islam, put it. Then he wants to recruit someone for the media. And what he has is only Deddy Corbuzier who is not a Muslim, for example. Just put it there. Yesterday when he was not a Muslim. Recruit or not?

Recruit, please.

Can?

Yes, staff, experts, not Muslims.

Okay.

Because Rasulullah once recruited an expert to find a way, a navigator. To go to the capital. Because the expertise? Yes, I need the expertise. But, I can't be the leader. Oh, you can't be the leader? I can't be the leader. And in Islam, there is no minister of religion.

Yes, I understand.

There are several countries that don't have a minister of religion. Oh, no. Why? Because in Padang, they don't sell Padang food.

Yes, that's why.

Yes, indeed. It means that there is a minister of religion, because the country is not based on religion.

Yes, that's right. And some countries actually have religion, not just one, but they don't have a minister of religion. There is.

That's right. There are so many. Almost all of Europe doesn't have a minister of religion.

Not all of them are Catholic or Christian, right?

That's right.

But they don't have a minister of religion. Because private matters. But if the choice is... In the end, it will come out now. Well, if it's a religious minister, I think we should find a capable one. Whatever religion it is.

Do you know what my father said? My father said, That's it, Lik. Just ask the businessmen to take care of it. What do you mean? I mean, those words will come out.

Very logical. And finally, in Islam, it's allowed. The important thing is professionalism. For example, we discussed earlier. If you want to manage the pilgrimage, it's allowed, no problem. For example, in Islam, you need to manage a managerial. It's not for Hajj, but for many people.

But the leader must be Muslim, the ministers must be Muslim, the ministers must be Muslim. But this is only the Hajj part. Now, for example, we assign it to a third party. Which can manage the managerial. Professional. It doesn't matter.

No problem. In my opinion, it can be better.

I think it's more professional.

Because for example, like this. Like this, uncle. Why do Chinese people, I hope this is not racist, why do Chinese people feel more comfortable trading with Chinese people? Because Chinese people think too much about money. Right.

Not just now, not today, not tomorrow, but later.

Right. I'm making a profit of 100 today. But I hope the profit from you...

Up to 10 years.

Up to 10 years.

If I trade 10,000 now, we wouldn't meet again.

That's the mentality of Islam. How can you do it? So, Islam is not only about the world. It's also about the afterlife. It should be longer.

But you said that many Muslims don't have an afterlife.

It's over when you say that.

That's right. And that's not something you say that. Right. And it's not only a response that I can answer. But we're here for that. To invite them to believe in the afterlife. Because people who believe in the afterlife, their activity is different.

Okay. The last stat. If you ride a haji, do you use illegal money?

Riding a haji, you use illegal money. You don't get a haji mabrur. You get a ha Hajj Haram. It means that every activity that starts with bad things, won't make it a good activity, even though it's a good activity. It means that from the beginning it's bad, until the end it's bad.

What if I want to go to Hajj? I want to go to Hajj.

We're in the same level, I'm higher. I want to go to Hajj. I want to go to Hajj. Okay. We're bad, bad, but I'm more valuable.

Okay.

I can go to Hajj because I'm richer than you. Okay. Is that right?

Correct.

Am I sinful?

It depends on your intention, Om. If you want to show that you're someone who is always humble in many things, but for this matter, I want the best. Because I want to be luxurious in worshiping Allah. And you want to show it to the whole world. You will get rewards, Om.

Because that's what I'm trying to do.

So it's a PR.

So it's a PR. That's why this is very important.

This is thin.

That's why it's so thin.

So thin. That's why it's so thin. It's very thin. Because this is an important thing, in terms of intention. For example, do you know that your muscles will be rewarded later if you pray?

Why?

Rasulullah, when he was praying, at first he couldn't pray, next year he was told to pray again, and he couldn't bring a weapon for only three days. After that, he went home. He went to Umroh when he was still ruled by the Kafir Qurais. So at that time, when he was about to go in a line to Masjidil Haram,

people said this, the ignorant people said this. He was Muhammad and his followers. What is that? All small body. What is that? Disease. They said that. So what did Rasul said, this will be taught later. When you are about to perform the Tawaf,

you will lower the cloth. Imagine if we use this cloth. You will lower the cloth in the armpit, then you will put your hand here. So that the muscles will be visible. The deltoids will be visible.

You will scream. What did Rasul say? That is a show of force. To show people. to let people know. I didn't know that. Muslims are strong. So that's a show of force, flexing, that's worth the reward.

I didn't know you were going to say that. I really wanted to know that, your grandmother.

Flexing is rewarded.

It's a rewarded flexing, and it's not rewarded. The difference is only the intention.

Yes, the intention.

You said a lot, why do you take pictures like that, take off your clothes and all that? I said, wait, not everyone is like that, it's wrong, it depends on the intention actually. Om is good when he says, I want to make people 20 years old insecure. I'm 40 years old, I'm insecure too. I'm honest, before I saw the video, I thought, it's impossible, I can be like that for 40 years.

Even though I want to, I mean, I'm already in that stupid phase. Yes, this is really crazy, people are crazy about the training now. I mean, that's good, right? How many people are motivated to fight things like that? Unless the flexing has no context. Suddenly, you pose in front of people, I'm sorry, the Indian people we see in the movies.

Suddenly, it's a salto. What is the context?

If it's like that, it means there's something that can't be done. For example, if I flex Lamborghini, there's no way it's positive.

That's great. If it's a little bit, back case, it's a bit... Let's go back a bit. It's a bit thin. I always say this. As a businessman, you are not burdened with such things.

The burden is me and the boss. I, as a teacher, can't flex the luxury. Because luxury for a boss and a scholar hurts people. But when a businessman, when he's flexing, it inspires. It depends on what kind of flexing he's using. For example, I'll try to go back,

you came down from Lamborghini, wearing the best clothes, with the best education, with all the best gadgets. Then you just said, the world is limited and priceless.

So, quote.

Okay. Compared to me, who is sick, with a sick body, you know, the handphone barely alive, a car that makes all the sounds, except the horn. Then, I said the same quote

The world has no value

You're a jerk

You're not a world! What are you talking about?

That's why Rasulullah said that the best treasure is in the hands of a believer Because he knows the certainty of the hereafter Do you believe me? I teach people to eat the best noodles in my opinion, Om. I only taught one thing, Om. I said... I, as a Chinese, I know a lot about noodles.

And after I entered Islam, I said... Besides the pork noodles I've eaten, this is the best noodles I've ever eaten.

Can I know where, Sir?

Later, I've ever eaten. Then I told them, why did I invite you to eat this? So you know the world's limit. If not, how can he know the world's limit? If you want more, later. So, there's no problem, people can. But, back to the intention.

But I don't support it when there are scholars, teachers, or anyone who is not ethical. I don't support it when there are religious scholars, teachers, or anyone who is not ethical.

I don't like it either. Because in the end, I don't know, it's the same. Maybe the level is below that, but what's the difference with, for example, a corrupt religious minister?

You should teach simplicity. That's why it's a teacher. If it's a businessman, no. I always say this, why can't I buy a luxury car? Because it's not possible ethically. People refuse that. But, Om, you can buy a luxury car and then lend it to me.

But I can use it myself, right?

Well, at this point, ethics finally arrange a lot of things. Try to see, in the time of Hasan Albasri, he was asked to go to the palace to give a tausiyah to the Sultan. So he said, knowledge is brought, not brought. Sorry, knowledge is brought, not brought. Sorry, knowledge is brought, not brought.

So he should be the Sultan who comes here. That's why Hasan Al-Basri once said, Ulama that come near the door of the ruler, are worse than Lalat that come near the door of the Ta'i.

Because they should be the one who come to...

Because he said, what are they looking for? Because the ruler is not more knowledgeable than them. But when the Sultan or the ruler comes to the ulama, it's a blessing. It means that if I use a luxury car, it's a bad thing. But if the businessman who picks up his ustaz, using a luxury car, it's a blessing for... Because he respects his invitation, whoever it is.

And it turns out that we respect more, I'm sorry, the biduan, right? Rather than the ustaz, right? And it turns out we appreciate more, I'm sorry, biduan than ustad. But it doesn't mean that the ustad should say that. If the ustad says that, it's wrong.

The biduan should say it.

No.

So I've heard in one tausih, the ustad said, you pay biduan only a few tens of millions, ustad 500 thousand. Wrong.

I know who said that.

Wrong, he said that. It should be the biduan who said it. Ustad 500.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000, it's good. It means you have leveled up, not at that level anymore. But if you want to have it, you have to have the right reason. So it's not what we have, but what reason we have. That's what Islam teaches.

Yes, yes.

Yes.

It's tiring, there's no end to it. Right, right. And finally, we can say this, I experienced a lot in my life, I try to balance it. Yes, the hereafter is still the main thing, but balanced. When I think a lot about the hereafter, I am sometimes reproached by Allah. I see sometimes, for example, there are many things that I neglect.

My needs are starting to increase, I may be starting to neglect a few things, I don't invite my wife to go out and so on. Then I started to pay attention to the world. Eventually, I got tired. I rarely read the Quran anymore. I don't build a Tajud anymore and all kinds of things. Finally, I chased it here again.

Yes, that's why.

Yes, human life is just like that.

Just go around.

But tiredness is in kindness. Don't tire yourself chasing the world. Then you're really tired. Next, we will invite Ustad Felix Waki Lambu Wow, is there?

No

I thought there was But I'm more interested in the tank-like one that you have LC? Yes, the tank-like one Oh this one, Ford Yes, that's like a tank

Yes, yes, yes

That's Ford, it's cheap Oh really? It's been 15 years But it's really cool's like a tank Yes, yes, yes That's Ford That's Ford, maybe cheap

Oh really?

It's been 15 years

But it's really cool, like a tank

So I bought Ford

How many years have you been using it? Raptor Yes, Raptor Oh, Raptor

It's been more than 10 years, Gus?

More

More than 10 years But Ford cars last a long time The engine is also like that Yes, monster truck Yes, monster, so every few years Change, change

That's why you put a gun on it Yes, so that car is not the original shape

Because if it is sold, it is not worth it

If it is picked up and used, people are afraid

Oh yes, that's right

If it is picked up and used

So it's not flexing

Not flexing Ustad, thank you very much

I don't know. So, this podcast doesn't answer anything. It's okay, Om. But maybe my hope is to open my mind too. And who knows, maybe people will listen to it too. It's not only about religion, but also about corruption. We see that our society is now finding a job is difficult.

Economy, we're talking about Indonesia, the whole world is in trouble. So if you're corrupt, I've heard this, I don't want to say from who, I've heard this, if you're 10% corrupt, I'll close my eyes.

I've heard that. This is corruption. It's more expensive than the price of the goods.

This is corruption. It's more expensive than the price of the goods. Correct. This is evil. Not markup. Yes, if it's 10% I'll close my eyes. This is corruption, more expensive than the price of the goods.

This is evil, it's a scum.

That's why if you can give, not a solution maybe, but if you can give advice, I can give advice, I want to give advice that only people who have low concerns, who are interested in low things. It means that money is difficult, only the rich people who understand money can buy anything.

And the limit is how far. But if we keep increasing our thinking, we should not be confused with the corrupt things like corruption. Because people who are distracted are people who don't have a strong goal. This is what I think needs to be planted from the beginning. What is your goal?

We don't talk about the afterlife first. We talk about the world's goal. A world that is measured, seen, and then can be used for data. If it can be clear enough to be a view for the officials, they shouldn't be confused with corruption.

And it's quite character, right? It's quite character. If you're a master or a religious speaker, you should be very happy when you're praised for your good life.

Right. And I saw one on Instagram.

You know this QR code, right? I know. It's from Toyota. Right. And I saw one on Instagram.

You know QR code, right? I know.

It's from Toyota.

QR code?

From Toyota. So Toyota, to be able to data the goods, since there are so many spare parts,

They made QR code.

One of their knowledge is to make QR code.

Was it Toyota that made it?

It was Toyota. So they made it for... Because the players play Go, Uncle. Okay. Go chess, you know. The black and white. So when he saw it, there were patterns that could be read.

So the pattern was not limited to QR code. So he said, we can do this. And Toyota can invent everything with that. With kindness. At that time, he wanted to introduce the system to the whole world. And imagine, how much royalty did he get?

I don't think he got it.

It's scary, right?

But we imagine royalty if he wants to take royalty. But what did he say?

Kindness to be shared.

His quotes, right. He said, if we want to make this world better, we have to share kindness. He's not even a Muslim. But try to imagine. Try to imagine.

But the QR code changes our lives.

He doesn't understand about the afterlife. He doesn't understand about the afterlife at all. He only knows about the world. That's what I said. I think we don't really understand about the afterlife.

But what Ustad Warussan said is right. Forget about the afterlife. If you don't understand, just forget about it. That's what I mean. Just talk about the world. Be a good person for the world.

Right.

He can see that people are happy, they will help. And that's really... You said it before, how can we live without QR code, just using barcode, for example. We're half dead. With QR code, everything is possible now. So, people can do good only for the world, right? Yes, that's why I don't talk about religion.

I really want to go to Japan, make a tour. I don't know when it will be, but I want to learn how they can rise up when the atom bomb. So, what is developed in their character? What is it that is developed in their thinking patterns? So that it can be a collective awareness for people.

It means that if we can find that secret, we already have the Islamic model. We should be able to rise up faster. We should be able to rise up faster.

Okay, start.