FERI AMSARI, SAYA MINTA ANDA MINTA MAAF‼️BERANI??

I was waiting for you to say something about the P.A. to BGM. You have a big muscle and a big soul. A member of DPR. A big car, a big house. But your mentality is not big. It's not suitable to be a public official.

What is your responsibility? Kevin Carter, who is 33 years old, committed suicide because of that. I don't with your answer. Kevin Carter, 33 years old, committed suicide because of that. I don't think so. No, no, you wouldn't. You wouldn't.

It's nice to talk about Humas, Mr. Prabowo, right? Who? Mr. Dedy, no? Palamu. I'm Feri Amsari. Who? and close the door Oh, yeah, yeah Ha ha ha So, first, when I was angry, I said that I was going to be a PA First, I haven't become a Stapsus yet

Oh Second, in my opinion, if the food is not good, it's because I often go on a healthy diet The food there is usually not good, in my opinion But, I'm sorry. Because... Because...

The apology is the most important. Because... Because the way I deliver it is bad and wrong.

Yes.

I shouldn't have said that it's bad and so on. I should have just explained it. This is how healthy food is. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. And this is called free food and so food. Hopefully it will be better. At that time, I was angry because I thought,

why is this? We've been given food for the children. But why is it filled with protests? That's why I'm angry. But at that time, what happened was that I reacted, not responded. If I responded, I would think. If I responded, I would think. If I shouted, it would be automatic. But I learned a lot.

So, if I was wrong, I was wrong. I apologize because my words were not appropriate. But, if it's about the poison,

I can't say anything.

You don't talk... You don't trap me with that. Because yesterday, you trapped me with that poison, sir. What kind of answer do I want to give if that's the case? Actually, MBG has a lot of problems. Yes.

Mas Dedy can definitely feel it. I know. Well, we don't just feel it, but we do research. What is it, sir? International transparency friends and friends in my office also do the same advocacy on the MBG.

For example, one, the MBG until today does not have a regulation.

Okay, what is the regulation, sir?

Yes, if in the concept, the President's Regulation, right? Until now, there is no concept is the president's rules. Until now, there is no such rule. Especially the law. The target is that in 2028, there will be a law. It's too far. It's too long.

Meanwhile, for the implementation, there is no president's rule. Okay. Not to mention about professionalism. Professionalism... You are in the food business, right? Before serving, the food is not only good, but also good.

In the Islamic context, halal and toyibah. Yes. Halal is also good. It means it has to be ensured that it is consumable. Consumable. How do you ensure it is consumable? If the chicken is cut on Thursday. Or the chicken is cut on Saturday.

If you look at the English language skills of Mr. Dedy, I'm sure he often goes abroad. Right? Not bad. But, if you read about it abroad, it's not just about how people are served, but also how the food is processed.

The place where it's stored must be hygienic. The way to cook it is also good. Not yet R&D. Yes. What is that? That's the research and development. For the food, it must be filled with aluminum.

That process is even very cruel. If it doesn't meet the standard, the material. The process is very cruel. If it doesn't meet the standard, it's over. But, is the context good or not? Well, Mr. Prabowo always says that this is for a good cause. But, a good cause is not enough. Just like there is a good person,

with a firm body, and is a critic. The goal is good, right? But the method is not yet certain. But there are other examples, right? This is a direct example.

I've already said it earlier. Yes, more or less like that. Directly aim at yourself, that it's not just about the goal. But also the way you respond, the way you act. So even though the goal is good,

if the process is not good, it's not good. So it will be a problem. For example, government data. That the effort to give this food is an effort to improve health, the growth of this Gizi grant is an effort to improve the health of children's growth. There are about 8% of Indonesian children who are stunting, wasting, and underweight.

About 23 million per 2024. The goal is for all to grow and develop well. If this goal is not implemented well, the children are expected to be well-fed, grow well, lose their stunting, and all that, it will be more problematic.

And that can happen in calculations. You mean, if you have stunting, you're poisoned. Yes, that's it. That's the end. Double effect. There are many problems that arise due to incorrect policies. I agree with Mr. Ferry.

Because it's like this. Actually, for Mr. Ferry, the food in the restaurant, the food is... I can debate a little, but in my debate, it's just like a joke, just go there and there. So, the food must be delicious and nutritious.

Delicious and nutritious. Yes, delicious and nutritious, of course, because the one who wants to serve is the child. Correct. If it's not delicious, no matter how nutritious, the name of the children, The name is delicious. But, uh, hello to Diana. So, but Gizzy up upon nominee on a on a money and a good to hear no money on a on a

I'm not gonna I need any money miss on your mother and I'm gonna end up in the bong tip of the new yeah, I'm not but I'll run the wassail and I'll do one side of an I'm not gonna be the enemy to do when you want to set up a for the sake of health. This is a lecture for children about health and all kinds of things

that need to be discussed in episodes. It's not certain that they understand why something that is not good is good. That's the problem. I'm a bit disappointed to see the burger from D.I.Y.

D.I.Y. is the burger that gives fish. If that's the case, I'm a bit... Why is this a burger? Why is it... I don't know why I put it there. I don't know why it's called burger. But they said it's for kids. I don't agree with that. Kids want it. Kids want it.

Maybe it's stupid. Of course, it's delicious and nutritious. It's ideal. But that's the country's duty. The country has a duty to provide health insurance. One of the concepts is to provide good food.

But, Ferry, I once invited the head of Papua tribe. I don't know if you watched it or not. I invited him and Bobon. So, the head of Papua tribe native of Papua. He was angry. He said that the government was actually... I'm speaking in Papuan, so there should be a translator.

I'm really wearing a Papuan shirt. He said that there was actually a state-funded offshoot. There was an offshoot fund. He was angry. He said, there is a state-funded program. There is a state-funded program. He was angry. But when I said, ''We don't accept it. We don't get anything.''

He said, ''This is a mess.'' He said that. My question is, is it possible that this is also the case, that for example, even though you said that the goal is good,

but can the game below happen? Yes, it can definitely happen. So, there is the place of the country's blame, including the president. Including? Including the president. Including the president? including the president. Including? Including the president. Including the president?

Including the president. Why is it included? Because our presidential system, the responsibility of the state is placed solely on the president. If it's parliamentary, Mr. Dedy, it's placed in the parliament. This is according to the state's rules?

According to the state's rules. So the president, as the head of the state, the head of the government, must ensure that all policies are implemented properly. Who is helped? The ministers. According to Article 17 of the Constitution. The ministers will also move to ensure that the fruit under it runs well. Now, now...

So, in your opinion, the president chooses a minister who is not capable to do that? Yes, 110. The cabinet is definitely messed up. Too many. America is the only country with a big continent. The minister is at least 13, 15. 21 if you include the head of the ministry. The head of the institution.

But if there are many capable people, it's okay. Yes. If it's capable, it's impossible for the food to be poisoned. So this is a problem that I think we don't have to discuss it too lightly. It's not professional. The cabinet is too big. As a result, the implementation below is also in a mess. You need to know from the general plan for the management of the MBG, there are

about 2,400 types of budget. TI's friends studied 1,100 of them. Among the 1,100, it turned out that during this period of the kitchen was used. It means that when the project was underway, the kitchen was just built by the MBG. There were several types of management, the MBG itself, by other parties, the Yayasan, and the hybrid, which involved many military, police, etc. It has shown that this was not prepared with the eyes.

I read the news that from 15,000, it was 2,000 for the kitchen. So, we, the TI, investigated not all of it. We took almost 50% of the time, and it turned out that they spent more time on the kitchen. While we're talking about the food that needs to be prepared. So, before the food is ready to be produced,

the kitchen has not been finished. So, the kitchen has to be prepared first. It has to be. Everything has to be prepared. We can't just say that this is the food, I'm talking and you're listening. How about school canteen? That's one of the things that we've been talking about from the beginning. Why not in a concept like in other countries,

the school canteen is then improved. No, but I mean, the school canteen is ready. I mean, it's ready. So, it doesn't have to be all school canteen workers are ready. I mean, maybe they're ready. So, not all of them need to go to school. But, I mean, there are different ways to do it.

Is that possible? There's a BG, BND, and then the foundation. Among them, one can go to school. And the hybrid ones don't have to be military or police. Because it's wrong to classify institutions in a constitutional way.

Because institutions like police and military, have only one constitutional duty. One is defense, one constitutional duty. One is to defend, the other is to protect. There is no other duty. No MBG, no other. What if it's assisted?

What kind of context is assisted? For example, in the 3T area, disaster, that's the duty. Okay. That's part of the concept. What if it's a way to speed up? That's why it's not right to be fast.

We are too rushed. It's about how to ensure the service to the people, and then to the students, for their food. Okay. Let me go I return the question to you, Ferry.

What do you think, Ferry? How to fix this? I want to return the question first.

Okay.

You support the MBG.

Yes.

How do you fix it? Fix it? Okay. First, it can't be too fast. It can't be too fast. We can't be too fast. Second, if we...

We can have different opinions. For me, when the army or police is ready, if we want to be fast, I'm okay. But it's different. It's okay. But I feel that the school canteen and the catering are ready. The ones who are ready to prepare, they run there.

It should be possible. But it won't be as fast as this. So, the target is not fastat, tapi targetnya alon-alon asal kelakon gitu, Bang. Dan harusnya lebih baik ketika itu dilakukan. Dan harus ada ahli gizi. Saya tuh gak setuju dengan orang mengatakan, ya sebelum dimakan, gurunya cobain dong. Ya bukan guru yang nyobain. Ngapain guru yang nyobain, maksudnya? Ya harusnya ada ahli gizinya untuk ngetest dan sebagainya. There are experts to test and so on. If it's just milk, it turns out to be water and sugar. This is the same as poisoning the body systematically.

Well, in my opinion, it should be like that. But it could be wrong. Now it's my turn. First, the good purpose that we have talked about, including the president, will be the wrong intentions if the motive is not to improve the permit, but to give a project.

Give a project? Actually, the budget of the Ministry of Education takes education funds. This is not a special fund, but it transfers the function of the fund. There are about 700 trillion education funds that were shifted some, about 52 trillions, for the Ministry of Education. The future will be much bigger. The goal is problematic for me because it is implemented with the goal of the project.

What is the project, Mr. Dedy?

What is the project?

Employment. Because the recipient of the unprofessional project with the purpose of seeking profit. Why can you accuse this project? Yes, this will be explained. The explanation is simple.

One, if the program is run by an institution that is not as it should be, it's definitely a problem. It's not professional. That's why the police and the army are not reasonable to be assigned to this field.

Okay.

If the story is fast, what is the reason for it to be fast? It's back to that. If it's rushed, it will result in something problematic.

Okay.

Did you make a restaurant to be fast? No. What does fast food restaurant mean? A quality service that can be enjoyed immediately. But not for fast food. Not for fast food.

The problem for me is that it shows many things. One, military. If the idea is for defense, why do you mix it with civil affairs? Serving healthy food. So, can the army do it?

The army can't.

So, can the police do it? No, they can't. Because they're civilians. You have to understand this. The police are civilians, but they're civilians who are armed. Civilians who are armed, wherever the concept is, are separated in their work.

The civilians are armed so that the danger is increased. If it's about the army, we are all done. A little touch will cause a conflict. So, the choice is to be armed. But there is a limit. The security sector, my question is,

is it possible for all policies to be balanced? Is it possible? It can happen. Who will be safe if the policies are balanced? The ministries. Why the ministries?

The ministries are balanced. This is a process of bureaucracy. There is a theory. A process of bureaucracy. In the theory of Lord Acton, power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

A minister as an implementer, with his power, has the potential to keep it. According to this theory. Which is not opposed. If so, then all of them. Wait a minute.

Because he is the ruler, there is a supervisor.

Yes.

Who is the supervisor in the concept of the country? The supervisor of the ministry? The supervision of the process of implementing policies is one of the police, Mas Dedy. The police who supervise? Don't pretend. Just answer.

Smart people must know. Don't be fooled. You must understand, Deddy. It's not like this. Because... You're a judge, right? Yes, that's right.

People must understand the problem. Yes, a judge. That's right. Now... The judge is following the rules. The judge is playing in a football match. How can we enjoy the trial process if the supervisor and the judge are playing?

If there is a violation of the law, the police will monitor it. If it's not in accordance with the law, they will process it. If there is a violation, that's what happens in the't match the process. There's something that's not right. That's what happened in the MBG process. The people who should be monitoring it, they also got involved.

I understand. The problem is that it's not professional from the start.

I understand.

If it's something that's not professional, what should the president do? The president immediately evaluates and makes sure that it is done well by the pilot project, and then executed. Is this done without a pilot project? That's why there's a thin layer of tissue and all kinds of presidents then said this is only a small number

0.00017 percent president playing statistics to make it normal, people who are affected by the Lalai policy. Around 8,600 people are poisoned. If we talk about statistics, the President shouldn't have to hold an MBG. Because the stunting, wasting, and under... That's also statistics. Yes, the number is not too big.

23 million compared to 270 million Indonesian citizens. If we talk about the number, it's unnecessary. I feel that the president, either because he was advised by people around him, let's lighten this problem with statistics. In the context of life, the safety of the people is very high.

8,600. At that point, if it's not professional, it's a problem if it's not related to professionals. You can see that the public criticizes BGN. There is no expert in Gizi.

Gizi is the one who manages it.

Yes, there is. There is a meme about it. I am willing to be criticized by Deddy Kobuzar about social media, playing YouTube, because he is an expert. But I will ask,

does Dedy's correlation criticize the concept and theory of the rule of law of the country? Not that it is not allowed, but where is the credibility? Especially if it is not just criticizing, he is a policymaker, that is a big problem. This is BGN, there is not a single, that's a big problem. This is a BG that has no moral.

Even this is a joke, guys. It's a bit ridiculous, actually. It's normal to have a moral. An insect. Because that's our free food. Most of the insects.

So, this is a lesson that... For me, this is a lesson that the country should have learned. But the fact is, it's not that it's been evaluated. It's been planned to be continued. I suspect that there is a project involvement. It's hard to be a voter,

and give it to people. Mas Dedy... But this is a suspicion, right? No, this is a hypothesis from the initial data. The initial data, Mas Dedy, one, the military, the police, are the tools of the state for other purposes,

and are involved in this. To ensure that this is going on. Second, most kitchen and service providers are members of the parliament, both at the central and regional levels. In the form of their own foundation or a foundation that is hidden. This is the result of my research.

Is there any evidence? Yes, it's easy. Not the one that was hidden earlier? Yes any evidence? Well, it's not easy. The one that was hidden. Yes. The one that was hidden is like this. For example, usually the manager is A.

But actually, the owner is actually who? Is there any evidence? That's what we're investigating. You're investigating? One by one, we've found it. One by one, it's clearly related to the members of the DPR and DPRD members. To say how many, we haven't finished yet.

But it's being investigated. It will be interesting. I guarantee there will be DPR members. And parliament members, right? DPR, DPD, DPRD. Yes, that's right.

Better than me, right? I used to own a restaurant. I know the rules. I mean, if Deddy... ...joins a good tender, I can accept it. But only because he's late, close to Mr. Brabo, close to people... I can't. But what makes him acceptable... ...is what's right.

The problem is in the process of the situation. There's no tender. There's procurement process, there is no tender. No tender? No tender. Show? Show.

Why is there no tender? Please check. So, the regulation is 200 million. Show system. 200 million, show system. Yes. Now...

I really don't understand. I'm not joking. In the process of goods and services, the show is below 200 million. Okay. For example, I, Mas Dedy, please,

I am a state, the state institution wants to hold an event, I ask Mas Dedy's restaurant to fill it up. I can show Mas D Deddy that the budget limit is below 200 million. Above that, it's mandatory to tender.

Okay. So, all of this is below 200 million? This is above 200 million. Suddenly, because of the President's order that this must be implemented immediately, various mechanisms were mechanisms that I think must be verified. Okay, I honestly don't understand.

I'm not pretending to not understand. But if it's a show, it means that if it's a show, it means that the show should be ready. Yes, so... That's the logic.

I have a restaurant in Padang. If you show me a day to prepare 2000, I'm willing. Why didn't you choose? Why? Because of the restaurant.

The function is probably very elite restaurant. Meanwhile, the need is for food. Which maybe not talking about numbers. That's the purpose. But it has become a public secret. The suspicion, for example, the Kalibata case.

In the Kalibata case, there was a restaurant. Yes, SPPG. Union of Food Service Administration. there was a restaurant management SPPG organization Gizi Service Management Union he was shown he pointed to the kitchen the kitchen then pointed to another person

this is real this is what happened in Kalimantan he pointed to the kitchen BGN then pointed to the kitchen. BGN. Then, he went to the foundation. Okay, he went to the foundation.

To organize free food. Then, he went to the kitchen to provide the food. The kitchen is already there. The kitchen of another place, not the foundation. He went to another kitchen. Another kitchen.

Okay. Another kitchen, then, in various ways, cut it so that the number benefits them too. Because the process is linear. So, it's all cut? Yes, it's all cut from the beginning.

What facts do you want to talk about? The president should be brave enough to do a special team to check where the problem is. So, there should be a team to monitor the MBG. The president, with all his functions, has many ways to monitor this. The bottom line is the police,

to ensure that this process can run according to the existing regulations. In fact, until today, it hasn't happened. Not to mention the poisoning. Is that the evil intention to do something that causes people to be poisoned? It hasn't been investigated until now.

It could be. Well, yes. If it's a crime, it's an evil intention. The evil intention in the law, not on purpose. It's not like that. Now, why is that? But if he's a criminal,

and he realizes that his crime is a violation of the law, it's a bad thing. But if you say that, it can be a different problem. I'm just saying random things. I mean, it could be that if the MBG happens, and there are evil people out there who deliberately poison it,

it could happen too. Anything could happen. Now the question is, if it could happen, how does the country anticipate it? Anticipate it. That's why they choose professionals,

who have certificates. The certificate is the plan. The fact is, Istana itself and BGN have different stories. One is said that only this many have a certificate, BGN does not accept it. The country alone is not finished explaining to the public who has a certificate of eligibility. Which one is not?

What should we do now, Mr. President? First, stop this. Stop it? Stop it. Evaluate this. Oh, evaluate? Yes. How do you want to evaluate if it's not stopped?

No, I mean, stop it. Evaluate it. Evaluate it. First, of course, it must be stopped. Look at where the loophole is. Make sure it doesn't happen again.

No budget balance, no target, and no project. Make our friends happy. So, it's not allowed because he's a military, or police, both of them enjoy this. Or if it's like a member of the MPRDPR? No, it's not allowed.

So, there are three functions of parliament. One is for the law. One is to monitor the law. The other is budgeting. How does he monitor if he is involved? Okay, this is the law of the land, right?

The DPR monitors because he makes the laws. How about the implementation of the laws? Meanwhile, the police monitors because of the effort to enforce the law. If both of these are involved, how will they ensure that the people are truly guaranteed health? That's the part that I always dream of being discussed by a Deddy Cobuzier. What is this country doing?

Actually, I'm not worthy of a military man man is not qualified to take off his shirt. But it's up to you. If you want to criticize a country, you have to take off your shirt. You have to show off. Please say that this is not right, not professional. Because you have a huge social responsibility.

If I'm not mistaken, you have 24 million subscribers. I talk about politics, law, social, economy. I talk about everything. People will watch this podcast and hope that they can be guided. If not, there will be an event like Kevin Carter. Do you know about the Kevin Carter event? In the 90s, there was a journalist from South Africa who took a picture of a hungry person in front of a bird, a bird feeder. Then he took a picture. The photo won the Nobel Prize and Pulitzer Prize.

I know the photo. I know. It's very famous. We are the same age. Even though you are older and healthier. You need to be stressed about your health. He finally, when asked, why don't you take action? I just took a photo.

I gave information about the condition of Africa at that time. I won Pulitzer Prize, the highest award, a journalist. What's your responsibility? Kevin Carter, who was 33 years old, killed himself because of that. I don't think so. No, no, no.

Too much love with 24 million subscribers. But I want to say this before going to Mas Dede. I hope people like Mas like you have that responsibility. I feel that there are certain issues that are very responsible. But when it comes to the highest level countries, you are a bit more delicate. You are more like a Joe than a Joe.

But there are some. There are, but not the number one.

Yes, but there is.

Yes, there is. But for me, there is. Things that are immediately responded with. That's why, Bang. Compared to me talking to myself, Bang. You're invited by other people. But I'm being honest, Bang. Why I...

I'm waiting for you to say PA to BGM F**k BGM Because of the poison?

Because of the poison?

Not because BGM is f**k Please, later, the judge will cut that part

He's like this

For me, that's something that needs to be helped by the public. Because your figure, I think, there's no such big political podcast. But I, Bang, yesterday, honestly, I wanted to react to the problem of poisoning. Because why do I think, this is like this, Bang, I think like this, I can still defend MBG and BGN when I have a stomachache. But this is a hard time.

Yes, that's why I said that if the poisoning is not hard, it's difficult to defend it. It's wrong. Even if you have a stomachache, that's a problem for me. I often have a stomachache. No, because it's different. You're responsible for taking care of your own food.

I don't buy it. Yes, you do. So, the responsibility is yours. Why don't you correct it? And the seller, why don't you make sure it's healthy? This is a service for the country.

It's impossible for us to say stomachache is normal. But what if the BGN has been running for a long time, and suddenly there are 20 children with stomachache, they can still go to the toilet. It must be corrected. That's why I'm an example of a country...

We can't talk about going to the toilet. In India, how is it in India? Don't make a bad joke. Because the good intention in a developed country, when the food service causes a poisoning, they will do an evaluation.

Immediately? Yes, immediately. Even if it's a certain restaurant, in the context of the Mazda case, it turns out that they were ignored. They were removed from their license. If not, what?

The restaurant can't stand up again. Or they were compensated for the loss, if I'm not mistaken. If they were compensated for the loss, usually, if there was a fall, they would compensate for the loss in the context of the food being replaced. Wait, I have a more important question. If you buy food in a restaurant,

does it cause stomach pain? How? I have to make sure it's because of the restaurant's negligence. Or I eat at a place that I don't know. For example, I cook my own food. No, no, no. It's the restaurant.

If I'm a law person, Mas Dat, I'll demand it. You don't have to do that. Because, Mas Dat... Don't go to my restaurant. Because of this, restaurants have responsibilities to their customers. In Indonesia, it's not normal.

We don't say that in a foreign country, it's good. No, we have to set an example. But if you have a stomachache, it canachache can be caused by you eating spicy food. That's why. If the cause is because of my responsibility, I can't eat chili, but I eat chili.

That responsibility is on me. It's very complicated, Bang. No, it's not complicated. We just feel it's complicated. Whereas all public services have their responsibilities. They have their responsibilities, Mas Dedy.

Don't just say, this is all complicated. This should be their own responsibility. The restaurant is the one with the problem, why should they be responsible? But, if you are doing well,

and then you get a stomachache, what should you do? We should evaluate it. So, we should keep on evaluating and maintaining the situation. Okay, I understand. Because, when I was learning, I asked why it was BGNPA,

because of the poisoning, and the poisoning was weird. I saw that some of them said it was from the river. Yes, there are some videos that show that. I don't know if it's true or not. But if it's true, it's too much. It's impossible if the country says...

I don't know. Mr. Dedy said that the country immediately stopped the investigation and made sure. Yes, that's why it's too much. It's too much. It's too much. And then the one that said the chicken was cooked on Wednesday. And then the one that said the fish was... Why? The animal had to be protected.

But the reason they said the fish was this, was it the local food? Yes, even if it was a local food, if it was a state project, the state should understand. The people involved should understand that the fish is not to be consumed. Yes, that's right.

That's why I came here, so I can... Because this is being watched. What I like is that you want to apologize. If I'm wrong, I apologize. Always, unless I'm talking about the hero, I don't apologize. Because that never happens.

But for me, it's important. The question is, if Deddy Corbuzier is able to mature himself to apologize to the public, when will it be the turn of the country to apologize? It's done. When? That's the representative of crying.

The representative of crying. But who is the most responsible? The most responsible? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Have you ever apologized for this mistake and it was fixed? Of course, you have.

Yes.

Apologize. Don't apologize for everything. Apologize, but this and that. Just apologize. I will evaluate and correct. This is an apology, but this is only 0.0017.

Yesterday, the head of BGN said, from the trillion food processing processes, only a few percent are poisoned. The point is not to make it a statistic. No. A state prosecutor is not good if he is wrong. He apologizes, but he built up this argument. He had to fix the policy and the wrong administration that he did.

That's the job of the state. Dedy Korbuzier dared to apologize, he didn't influence the policy and actions of any country's government. But those who have power must act immediately. The president will be welcomed. Let me note that this is wrong. The president, the policy maker,

if he immediately apologizes and makes sure there is improvement in the field, he will be praised far more than he is resistant. I apologize, but that will not solve anything. Until today, the president has not acted to improve his policy. Even though our constitution ensures that the country must provide health insurance,

life insurance, and a healthy environment. But you can't just say that it's not true. Isn't it that everyone will be called to be re-evaluated? That's why I asked you, Dad. What is the policy of the country after being called? Oh, I don't know.

If I look at the research data, it will continue. There are even budgets that are being upgraded. That's the big problem, Deng. Because the budget is increased, the project is again for the ferry.

So, because this is the budget of education. Just use it for education. Our education is already in a mess. I agree. Our education is already in a mess.

I agree.

When I see my children speak English, I get jealous. I don't have the same opportunity to get the same quality education as this person. Even though I'm from a faraway village, I have the right to get the opportunity. Even if I'm not used to it, it's my right.

We don't have to talk about that. Let's talk about the teachers. Yes, that's one thing. Now, the number is cut, where does the burden come from? For example, in the campus world. Once the budget is cut, the burden of the campus will be burdened again on the students.

Isn't that what's going to happen? What? Isn't that's not going to happen. What? It's not going to happen. No, I'm not saying that it's a waste of food. This is cut off. 52 trillion, something like that.

So there's a cut off education budget. So there will be a lack of services, right? In the campus. Oh, a lack of services, okay. So where is the lack of services going? To the students.

To the students, in the form of increasing the tuition fees. So, at a certain point, the effect of increasing the tuition fees with various poisons, in other places, it cuts the opportunity for others to become smarter. Where should it be taken from? That's why I suggest, if you don't have a budget,

don't cut off the super important budget. If you want to take it, the salary of the officer who is in charge is enormous. 110 plus three commissioners and all kinds of things should be taken later. There is a social responsibility of the company. Social corporate responsibility.

It can be used well. But let's make sure which area is needed to develop that idea first. Make sure the RITME works well, the standards work well, then we will execute it. Then the other budget can be allocated for that.

I agree with what you said. Because if we talk about the controversy that reached the point of a revolution, I don't know what it is. I don't want to talk about it. But the point is, the controversy is because of the lack of awareness. Like the DPR, how much is the salary, etc. Lack of awareness and lack of sense of feeling.

Yes.

All this time, you have been aware, Mas Dery. But you are not followed by the conversation. When we are quiet, we hear the conversation that hurts the public. The actions that hurt the public, we get angry. Like Sean Horrick. In DPRRI, we are dancing.

So, for me, there are some actions that are not wise. But, Mr. Ferry, maybe this is the last one. I'm sure you still have hope. Even though you always... I'm not talking against you. Criticizing is a right. And I'm sure Mr. Ferry is criticizing for a better purpose. Does Mr. Ferry still have hope for Mr. Ferry's personal life? Some people misunderstand that people who criticize don't have a desire for change.

Even if people don't have a desire for change, they won't criticize. Why? Hmm. Why do we criticize? It won't change. So, I think, friends who try to control the country, criticize the policies and actions of the country, they have the optimistic power that the country will be better. So, on the contrary, if people like to defend a country that is superior, I think they don't think that the country can develop and become much better. Just enjoy this policy.

Or you won't get better than this. I don't think they have an optimistic spirit. Because this criticism is to build. For that. they don't have the optimism. Because this criticism is to build the country. Yes. I feel that if you are a podcaster, and suddenly criticize the country, they are optimistic that something can be changed.

On the contrary, if a podcaster doesn't criticize, defending the superiority of the country, they don't have the spirit to change. I agree. That's why the Kevin Carter event happened. There was a young man,

this is the story of a person who broke up with the country's critics. His name is Adam Swartz. Didi, do you know that the most advanced foreign books that we can read and download on the internet are all written by this person? He felt that the third world was left behind in the education world

because the reading material was not enough. That's why he made it. He went to Stanford, Yale, and all kinds of places. He spread the books out. Then he was asked by the campus. He was a young man, and all that. He spread the books out. Then he was demanded by the campus. These are young people, 35 years old.

Then he was punished because of that. Because he was punished, he then killed himself. He killed himself because he was disappointed with the country. So, people then respected Adam Swartz. So every year, most scientists give free books to respect people. I want to tell you this, will you follow the scholars who share the knowledge to respect the victims, or will you break your will like Adam?

I want to be here. I want to respect people. Because the country is already ruined, there are people who are sacrificed, I want to be in this part. And we can't do it alone. We need to rely on many people. For me, having a cool physique like this is good. But building the physique of the citizens is a much harder job. Mas Dedy has a much, much harder responsibility than just building a body. That is to ensure that the public's energy is as strong as Mr. Deddy's body.

I'm so happy. I'm so happy to hear you say that. Because with you saying that, I mean, you still trust me. Oh yes. I don't hate anyone, including Mr. Prabowo.

The point is, I want everyone to be better. the military can't manage food, they are told to manage food.

So for me, we know the standard. The standards are in the Constitution. And that's good. I have one last question. Maybe it's not related to you. But I have a feeling. You said earlier

that you like to raise social issues here. I know that. It's here. I know you do. It's not that I never do, but when there's a problem, I forget about it. 24 million people, almost all of them are Indonesian, watch this channel. How about the debate show on TV?

When two cemeteries were invited, the ending was a fight, shouting. What do you think about that? I'm sorry, this is not related. I don't like the concept. But I have an advocacy mission. The information must be balanced when it is equally to the public.

The big problem is when you want to give information to the public, it's always the people who defend the country who like to create a fuss. Or there are also people who like to make a fuss over the information to the public. This also requires resilience. Civil society.

Because, in the long run, suddenly, out of context, suddenly, it goes everywhere and it's not clear. But that's also what worries us as civil society. It seems like it's not to the point. But I realize that the media is looking for an audience,

while I and my friends who are advocating want to spread balanced information. Because the power of the state to provide excess information needs to be balanced. At a certain point, for me, in a certain point,

from 100% to deliver aspirations or information to the public, it's about 21%. That's what I mean.

I often watch it. I see it like, it's like a battle. Where is the context? Where is the story? The discussion is going on. But there is no way out. I mean, why not...

Why not... Why not like this? When we talk. I don't agree with some things. But why does the ending have to be... ...fighting.

I don't know. But why does the ending have to be... ...fighting. I don't know. That's the old media. The old media concept to attract the audience. Now, the media has competition. The media, journalists, the public, like this podcast and others. Eventually, people will choose what they want to hear.

You have to realize that most Indonesians still like to watch the content,

but the controversy. So, the challenge of you and the general media is much bigger to make the public smarter. If it's like that, I I'd rather be a film director. I mean, I'd rather be a horror film director. The logic doesn't match, but it's still watched. The problem is that the standard is due to the budget of education.

It's cut from the budget of education, so it's the smartness.

He's so smart, he's being turned around. I was cut off from the NBG. So, I was smart.

He's so smart. He's back. But, Ferry, I'm actually thankful for the call out. Because if I was called out, I think it would be better. Why don't I want to answer that? Because for me, when I answer it on Instagram,

or I post it on Instagram, I think the ending will be like the TV, just a reboot. That's why I was hoping that if Ferry comes, we can talk about what's my fault, what I agree,

what I still defend, what I disagree with? Maybe if you were a regular podcaster, I wouldn't call out. But some of you have representation in the country, with an extraordinary audience. So, besides making people smarter,

when they're wrong, I ask for their accountability. Just like when I do it, the DPR has the responsibility. When they are wrong, I will call them and show the public that they are wrong. And they have to apologize. Lucky me, like many people who are lucky, when Mr. Dedy is asked,

you want to apologize? The question is, would the state government do that? You don't have to do that.

No, no.

Mr. Dedy has a big muscle and a big soul. Yes, yes. That's true. A member of the DPR, big cars, big houses, but not big mentalities. They don't fit to be public officials.

When they are angry, they apologize. When they are calm, they demand from people. They don't have big mentalities as public officials.

I was surprised. I'm not a big public servant.

I was surprised. DCA dared to apologize.

Hopefully... If I feel guilty, I'm guilty. Hopefully, it's not just an apology. But to ensure the food program here... It's really hard. Wait a minute. I'm Carter, Punya Tanggung Jawa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bigger the person, the more responsibility. Yeah, yeah. But I'm not sure if I should be listening to you, Bang.

Why? You're also a PA. Why am I a responsibility?

If there's a person with 24 million subscribers who feels like they don't have a responsibility, they're a real PA.

So...

No, here's the thing.

We'll try our best, I'm But I promise that I will do my best. While I'm here, I hope you can listen to this podcast. I hope you can listen to it. If I say that I don't want to listen to it, then I will. But I hope you can listen to it. And I'm sure you can listen to this podcast.

This podcast is for the crazy viewers, right? Yes, and I'm sure when I invite you, there will be people who are like, Wow! And I'm sure they will listen to you. I hope this can be an input. Because I know whatever my position is now,

whatever your position is now, there is only one goal, for our nation to be better. That's right. That's all. I will always be different, if it's supposed to be different.

I will also feel the same when it is supposed to be the same. Don't be different with Dedy Kobuzar in the MBG issue. Suddenly he did the right thing, I didn't defend him. I gave a note to Mr. Dedy. If Mr. Dedy's rights are violated by the state's government, call me. I will defend you.

But if you hurt the public, and that's the right of the public, I will call you. It's exactly what you have to do to me. You have to criticize me if I'm biased because no one is perfect. It's the same with some of Mas Dedy's material. When there are people that Mas Dedy helps to change and become better,

he becomes more brutal. Mas Dedy is the one who is being punished. I don't criticize that. Because that is the most correct action. Thank you, Bang. That means...

I'm glad I can show my channel. I can see your channel. Damn it, it's late. Yes, we have to discuss about the TNI law. I will invite you to criticize TNI with the best TNI humor. Wow, that's cool.

Do you make a podcast? I make it by myself, but not seriously. That's why I sometimes see you making it. You like talking head, right?

Yes, yes.

People don't have a job. Talking head alone. But that's the need necessary to respond to something. The serious one is with friends from the environment. His name is Auregano Santara. Okay.

And it's in the most serious format possible. And at one time, if we need to invite him, we can invite him. It's nice to talk about Humas TNI. Is Humas Prabowo the news now? Who? Mas Dedy, no? Mr. Teddy. Mr. Prabowo, right? Who? Mr. Teddy, no? Your head.

If someone wants clarification,

he will immediately...

I thought you were insulting me.

No, no, no.

I don't feel insulted. I've never felt angry with an open person. But if he hurts the public, I feel the need to fight him. But don't suddenly swear at him. Because it's like this. Mas Dedy is one of the smart public journalists. When to reduce the choice of dictionaries.

When to criticize the government, to make it as neutral as possible. I know the strategy. And it's really smart. And I need to give a note, that we know that it's something that is very government-like.

Yes, but don't be rude. If the gossip is rude, I won to say anything. But don't be rude. If you gossip, I'm going to be rude. I'm not going to say anything. But, Mr. Ferry, I feel honored. Me too. Proud.

Mr. Ferry is ready to come. I was doubtful at first. Why? Because I was wondering if the people who are rude to the government would be honest. But I know that some of your podcasts are very open to people with different views.

If I didn't take your offer, maybe it would be your excuse or Dedy's. People only criticize you. When you're invited, they don't dare to come. I wouldn't a critic. When I'm invited, I don't dare to come. I'm not going to say that. But Humas is usually smart.

Maybe not directly, but the way he organizes it. But I have a question. Why do you want to answer it right away? Why am I taking so long? No, no. I want to let you know,

I'm a technology expert. I know that the photo on IG can make music fit. I swear. I'm not used to talking on the signal because I'm too used to WhatsApp. So after I responded to Mas Bimo, I looked for it, and I found you talking about it. You were talking about it? That's why I replied. But it almost happened wherever I communicated with many people. If it was in DM, I think the current generation plays DM.

I'm not too... It's raining, bro. I'm not answering.

No, no, no.

Where are you going? Where are you going? I'm not happy with President Jokowi, but if he invites me to a discussion, I'll go. You mean you're not happy with me? No, I don't mean that. I don't talk about happiness when I want to discuss. I talk about substance. I don't talk about my feelings.

I don't talk about my feelings.

I don't talk about my feelings.

I don't talk about the joy of not being happy when we want to discuss. I'm talking about the substance. But, forgive my inability in technology. All of you already know. Bivitri knows, Zainal Arvin Mukhtar knows, Dadi Laksono, my friends already know. I come from a very far place, Mas Dady.

But you have a lecturer. But I'm a law lecturer. Law lecturer?

I don't learn artificial intelligence.

So next time if you want to contact me, you can just WhatsApp me. WhatsApp.

Because I don't read your DMs.

I read your DMs and emails for a long time. You read them for a long time. Do you open your DM? Not that I didn't open it, but I realized that I hadn't read the DM. I just read it. I had a lot of friends who were disappointed.

That's why I said, I won't be repaid. I'll be repaid to Teuk. Thank you again, Ferry.

Thank you. Hopefully you very much.

Hopefully, this will not end here. Because I still have a lot of things to discuss with you. I want to tell you and Mr. Bimo and Mr. Dedy, don't be cut off, don't be left out. I won't be cut off. Because I know this podcast is watched by the president. Yes, that's why it won't be cut, it won't be broadcasted.

But the purpose is also good for the president. Yes. That's the purpose, right? So it won't be cut, it won't be broadcasted. Mr. Prapsky, this is your lieutenant colonel who is speaking. You don't have to bring that.

He's not threatening the problem.

No, no, no.

Thank you very much, Ferri. Thank you.

Assassin Hunter. Let's close this.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

And close the door.