FERRY IRWANDI VERSUS GUSTI AJU, SIAPA YG BUZZER???

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Yes. Deal, deal. The second is the structure and duration. The opening statement is there, then the argument for each party is limited. Want three minutes, four minutes, how many minutes do you want?

Free, you?

Free, the important thing is there is a duration. minute Okay If you still want to add, if the other party is okay, we give a little extra time, right? If it's not okay, we'll throw it away. 5 minutes is enough? Enough. I'm tired, I'm tired. Just be flexible, okay? Deal, huh? Then the following rules of speech cannot be interrupted.

So if you're talking, you can cut it. That's one. Then the ethics is prohibited, it is prohibited to attack the individual, slander or make framing that is not based on facts, okay, very okay, okay, all statements must focus on substances, not personal, okay, but I can't arrange it, it's up to you , the substance is, yes, back to what you are problematizing on social media

validation of every claim factual, mandatory, including media sources, credible, official documents we will show later facts from 12 parties but we can't guarantee it's credible or not

because we get it from you according to you, it's credible according to us, it's not certain but we will show it anyway. And the last one is just a matter of transparency. Everything is okay, right? I don't want to be too rigid, so it's both good.

So I'll just go straight to everyone watching. So the problem started from... My correction if I'm wrong, Busti Ayu said that the posting and excitement of influencers and activists like Ferry Irwandi on social media can make the atmosphere more heated when it comes to the DPRK demonstration yesterday. And he suspected that there was an indication that it could cause DFK, disinformation, slander, and also hatred.

Then, Feri felt slandered for days by Gusti Ayu.

For days, Fer?

Yes. Okay.

24 postings, 25 now in 20 days.

Okay.

The quota is 5 more, 30.

Then, according to Gusti Ayu, Feri's postings on social media that were uploaded with the words, Pray for me, I've arrived home safely, It can be a framing for some people who think that Feri is threatened by a certain party. So it can be misleading, right? Then, Gusti Ayu is also concerned about Feri's behavior that can provoke the masses,

and suspects Feri manipulated the video of Teni's arrest by Brimox. that could provoke the masses and suspect that Ferry manipulated the video of Tenny's arrest by Brimov No, not manipulating the video but adding words

Okay According to Ferry, it's wrongly mentioned Okay That's about the point So that's the material and we will give time for

each side, so maybe from Bagusti first, to tell us your feelings first.

Can we give you five minutes? Thank you for inviting us both, because only Densu can. Because other podcasts can't.

Yes.

What I'm sure is here, I've said it many times to Ferry, eyes are the window of the heart. Look into my eyes, Ferry. I don't hate you. So there's no personal attack to the ferry. My eyes are the window of my heart. Look at my eyes, Fer. I don't hate you. So, I didn't have any personal attacks on the ferry.

Look at my eyes. I don't have any. But I do have concerns. The narratives that are disinformative, can cause slander, and can cause hatred.

Because people's anger is real. I, as a people, also increases hatred. Because people are angry. I, as a citizen, am also angry. With an unclear budget, and the MBG should have a good vision, but there are other things on the ground, etc.

But when the people are angry, and then there is another DFK, DFK is not based on facts. Finally, the anger that is like fire is like being sprayed with gasoline. Actually, that's where I care about everything. Not just the ferry, not just the other influencers.

The officials, for example, who said that the people were tolol. That's a fact, right? I mean, it's real, not edited. In my opinion, it's not wise. It's in the, I mean it's real, not edited. In my opinion, it's not wise, it's in the DFK, which is hatred, for sure. So actually it's to all parties. Why am I finally going here? Because, yes, so there is no miscommunication with Ferry,

that I have no personal grudge. Then he was mad again last night, he said, I'm obsessed with Ferry. Yeah, someone narrated that. He already has a wife, a family. Why did the narration go there? No.

But the one who made the narration is not Ferry, right?

No, no. Comment, comment, netizen, you know. He said, I'm obsessed with Ferry. I like Ferry. Oh my God. I'm sorry, I'm not going to go there. So, the focus is only on the narration. Because the narration is watched by social media or the news.

It's all kinds of layers of society. Some are educated, some are not as smart as Feri. Who can explain. How many people in Indonesia have IQ 145 and then can be accepted as civil servants. It's hard, it's not easy.

How about people who have different intelligence, how can they catch the narrative and spread the anger? And we can see the impact.

I will also bring can see the impact.

And I will also bring facts about the impact of the DFK. That's the only concern. How to narrate it, whether it's an influencer, or not an influencer, or a media,

including podcasters, iNews, Metro TV, TV One, all of them. We live in an age of information, and information is very fast. Once information is released that has not been verified, it is spread everywhere. When it is spread, it turns out to be wrong,

even though it is corrected, there's still a gap. It's already a wild ball. For example, the video of Deepfake by Mrs. Sri Mulyani, who said that teachers are a burden to the country. After two days of a wide circle, it was finally corrected. It turned out to be a deepfake. Mrs. Sri Mulyani never said that. But it's already too late. Some have already believed it to too late. Some people believed it was the truth.

Eventually, hatred rose. And the house was searched. So, why did I insist on doing this? Because I saw that it was not done yet. The media, the podcats, and the government. I don't know if it's the government or the camp com.

I think the camp com. should be more concerned about the people. It's not my job, unless I'm paid to do it. But I'm worried about that. The goal is to ensure that our nation's unity is maintained. Because as a student of Nilem Hanas, two years ago, I learned about geopolitics

and I am also an international relations scholar. So I understand geopolitics, how national defense and so on. The point is to ensure that our nation does not break.

Okay. Do we still have time? 20 seconds. 20 seconds. I

ask for a little addition. So the point of all the trouble is what eventually led to the ferry? Which party? Actually, at first, I didn't go to the ferry on purpose, right? There was no target ferry. At first, if you look at the social media postings, I was upset at first, it was pink, pink mothers. Why is it like this? Then I saw it like this. I understand branding a little bit. 20 years ago, I joined the brand activation team whose agency is Unilever. So I understand a little bit. When the demo started, I think it was still organic. I think the party demo was organic. And I think it was cool.

The people were carrying bananas and so on. The demo in Jakarta was originally organic, but when there was a branding, pink, green, and then there was jargon, like there was a tagline, I think it was already very branding.

And I was upset because it was a reference to the color revolution. There was Arab Spring and so on. So, I asked myself, who was the one who started all of this? That was where I got upset. Then, when I watched the I-News, there was a news about TNI being arrested by the police, I also reacted.

I was like, wow, if this is true, it's dangerous. Because Polri and TNI are a protection, one is security, the other is defense. If both of them play, it's scary.

Okay, we is up. Yes. It can't be too long, 6 minutes.

Yes.

So we give Ferry around that time. So the point I caught is that the tension started from INUZ where one of Ferry's statements caused a tension to Mrs. Gusti. But he saw it overall, right? Not directly to your personal. Before going there, let's leave it aside

please, answer it, Ver

okay, thank you, thank you for the explanation, Mrs. Gusti first, I apologize if there are any attacks or wrong words because we humans can't hide from our mistakes so when we meet, I apologize, whatever the form is thank you, thank you back to the rules that have been made,

there is no personal attack or anything. Here I will explain a little. This is based on posting by Mrs. Gusti too, Mrs. Gusti too, sorry. So, Mrs. Gusti once posted, the mistake is clearly that she added a sentence that is not in the original video,

which is not just me, but the TNI people. Adding a false sentence is not a small thing, sending public opinion as if TNI is a mass-media organization deliberately framing people with TNI. Why did he refuse clarification?

This is a post from Bu Gusti, right?

Yes. Framing people with TNI. Well, here, I said there will be a plot twist, but not the first plot twist, not the only one. The problem is that Mrs. Gusti has been informed that I have had communication with TNI.

Yes.

How? I have had communication with the leadership of TNI. So, okay, so I have had communication with the TNI leaders, we have a phone call, we apologize, the media said that, but we both do not open any conversation, because there are so many things discussed. The point is, the TNI's Deputy Chief of Staff, Brigadier General Freddie Ardeansyah, in the news, saying that the party is lowering the intention of reporting to Harry Ruwandi the reason is to avoid the Hoax that can divide the nation so, you accused me of forming a people with TNI

well, I have got the consensuality, one of my conversations with the TNI general which I have shared to Mr. Densu. Yes, but we can't show it to you. We can't because it's consensual. He said that the TNI leaders appreciated what I did, said that the TNI leaders understood the conditions and apologized,

and finally said that I not to be a mother maybe Bang Densu can read a little read a little? yes, read one paragraph

it's okay, there's another one

later, no need the point is later after this so actually there is one of our discussions with TNI also deeper is how many video of hoax are spread.

Which makes me and TNI hot. Well, one of them is a video that says I added the word, not just me. The word of TNI people. The word of TNI people. Well, okay, this is maybe, back again, this is not personal, but I have a problem with a friend of mine named Hairy Abbas, who uses an anonymous account of a Jaksol child. because in the group that I asked for consent to discuss between Mr. Heri and Mr. Gusti is

saying, thanks, I use the AI Jackson child because I need a promo. My Bohir will be very confused if my name appears now. I don't know who this Bohir is, I thinks I'm going to interfere with the other nation. Yeah, that's it, he doesn't want to be seen, that's why he uses the Jaksa L.A.I. kid. And I accept this podcast, why is that? Because there are so many problems and fears that are not only felt by me, but also by my friends in the WA group. On August 12th, when they talked about the AK47 of the red and white film,

yes, on the 9th, yes, 12th or 9th August or 12th August, just before the demo happened, Hairy Abbas posted a photo if he had a small handgun. The one you posted on social media, yes. Who has the weapon? Hairy. the so people will think it's a lighter okay okay okay now, when the demo happened maybe you can explain it later September 2nd if I'm not mistaken when the discussion happened between Mr. Agustin and Hairy

he said in the last paragraph the best for Indonesia if it's in NIP now NIP can be Nipple, can be can be Mmutus, Mbungkam there are so many definitions we can copy paste, ask GPT how it should not be too worrisome if for example we don't know who is talking about this person who admits to having a weapon

Well, the problem is, this is interesting, he can be TNI, he can be Polri. The problem is he is not TNI and Polri. The proof is he is a a spy from the Garuda party named Hairi Abbas. So there is a truth, not anonymous.

No.

Named Hairi Abbas, a spy from the Garuda party. This proves that he is not a military man.

Okay.

Right? Why can he have a weapon? He once denied that the weapon is made. he can have a weapon he once denied that the weapon is made he said that the weapon photo can edit various photos so when people ask for a weapon photo in WAG

AI means?

yes, then we try to test in the AI group we try to test the photo and it turns out detected that the photo is exactly the same not AI

okay

well

okay next detects that the photo is the same, isn't it? Okay. Well.

Okay, next. Yes.

I'm here trying to understand the context. I'm trying to be fair. I'm trying to be as objective as possible looking at Mrs. Ayu. And I don't feel right, I don't feel there's a crime.

But yes, it is. This Hairy is the one who made the video and told Mrs. Ayu that Ferry added the word, not just me.

Okay.

The one in iNews, right? The one in iNews.

Yes, okay.

And actually, back to what I promised, yesterday I won't involve other parties or chat lines that are just discussed or other personal conversations or to me. But yes, this is just as proof that if Hairy gave that video to Mrs. Hayu, Mrs. Hayu also felt that there was a problem. support in one of the podcast yes where is the material ok it's past the duration

past the duration ok the point so from all of that we add a little bit so from all of that

what makes you feel that everything was going wrong? So, did you put the video file in? Yes, we'll put it in later. No, it's not. It's the video of the proof.

Video from who?

From me in this file.

This one, right?

So it's not cut.

Wait. This one?

Yes.

This one, right? Try it.

I watched it again and again. This is something wrong. The something wrong is there's an additional word that's fatal. It's not just me. I saw it as dangerous.

The one who was caught by TNI, then there's an additional word. It's not only me

even though in the original video

no words not only me

okay

still there

yo, shut up yo, shut up yo, shut up

there I said not only me

samar ya okay means I don't say anything. Add words, because about the TNI people, that's what we discussed with the TNI leaders. Well, the TNI leaders as the leaders of the TNI at that time told me, I really appreciate that appreciation. You don't have to apologize. No, sir, I have to apologize. I said the TNI's words. We understand the situation is difficult.

He said. No, sir, I still said the TNI's words. It's okay, sir. The important thing is we are safe, calm, stable condition. That's it. No need to apologize.

I still want to apologize. That's why it's in the headlines. The news apologizes to each other. or fairy, I'm sorry. Okay, that's after you guys communicate and communicate. Yes. Okay, how long did we stay there?

When fairy finished?

9.

9, we have 9 minutes. Same as fairy, right?

Yes.

Please answer.

I also want to show the data.

No, no, no.

Maybe like this, fairy can...

Hold on.

I want to ask first. If we look at the highlights, video ito memang ada point dimana orang itu memang ada suara disitu bukan cuma saya ya ya nah disitu masih ada keresahan lagi ngga ada oke silahkan monggo kita kasih waktu nah tapi sebelum kesana fair mungkin aku thank you ya tadi kan kamu udah klarifikasi bahwa satu aku gak punya senjata api kedua aku gak ada rencana kamu you. Can you please state something? Because, you know, it's a news everywhere. I have my own business.

My business is private and personal. People are afraid to do business with me. They think I have a weapon and want to kill me. Can you please give a sentence that says, okay, I clarify that Gusti Ayu doesn't have a firearm

and he doesn't have a plan to kill me. Maybe you can. Clarification, Gusti Ayu doesn't have a firearm and he has no plan to kill me. Like I said earlier, I repeat my concern that is really personal to a person named Harry Abbas. He has a firearm, admitted to having a firearm and it should be a general offense, not a complaint offense. I'm sure this podcast is watched by millions of people. When people admit to having a firearm, we should know if it's legal or illegal, foreign and I have said many times and I said earlier that Mrs. Gustiayu has no evil intentions towards me she doesn't have a firearm and she doesn't intend to kill me

thank you okay let's end this

we still have 9 minutes left

I thought we only had that

the headline is scary

people will be busy with me and I'm scared don't do that are you not afraid of people who have been supplying data have been supplying data wrongly and have firearms and talk like that. Are you not afraid of people named Hairi? It's a lesson for me to always check, recheck and cross-check data. Actually, I've made a video clarifying that after I listened again, it turned out that there were words, not just me, but there was no word for TNI.

On the other hand, when I asked my other friends, did you hear it? Some said they heard it, some said they didn't. Then Ferry said, try to hear it with a hoarse sound. But I'll be attracting people's attention.

I'm kidding.

I'm just kidding, I'm just using a hoarse sound. Finally, I thought, well, instead of doing that, I asked for help from the United Laboratory of Forensic Science. Because the United Laboratory of Forensic Science is academic, independent, and I pay for it. I mean, I buy the service,

please analyze if it's available or not. I was ready with all the results.

And the results are already there? Yes, the results. And you already had the results?

Yes, I had the results.

You even went through forensic testing.

I was even more wrong. I was against DFK, and then I did DFK. I have a new nickname now. Mother of Master DFK. You were attacked a lot, right? So, she was acknowledged to be attacked a lot by the DM.

I don't know who. So, she was attacked a lot in the DM, I don't know from whom. So, he felt like, why am I attacked by many parties?

Can you explain?

Well, maybe this is actually a forensic report made by Professor Wahyu Chaturwibowo. He is from the Faculty of Computer Science, UI, but represents the the integrated forensic center of the University of Indonesia. The integrated forensic center has many kinds, there is linguistic forensic, digital forensic, all things related to forensic are gathered here at UI. The purpose is to find out whether the word is spoken, not just me. Then it is called a search object, then to find out who said it if there is.

And find out the characteristics of the location of the incident, where it happened.

Okay, the result.

This is the source of the data. The source of the data, yes. The point is, so that it doesn't, this is the duration, yes, it can be played later the point is this is very technical, this analysis is done, this analysis is done, this extraction, this extraction, etc. this is a lot of techniques the result of the analysis is that there is a voice not just me

is there?

yes, very right means i'm wrong when i say that Very added the word, not only me. But, Very said in the video that it's not only me who said that word. The result is that the voice

is a sound of shouting that is not done by various creatures that catch and shout. So, the word, not only me, is not from the one who caught it, and was caught. Not from the one who was caught too.

So from the outsource. From the outside outsource. If you look at the cut, this is the analysis, it is stated that the one who was caught did not show lip expression. Okay. Because there is also a linguistic forensic expert in the UI. So the voice, not only me, is there, said by other people who are not in the video recording. While this, this is what makes me nervous. So, Ferry's position at that time was not wrong, right?

When he said the words Bukan Cuma Saya, he was right. But when he said Bukan Cuma just me, it's the TNI's words. That's the disinformation. Because actually, it's not from the TNI or the police who caught him. After being tested by Forensic UI, it turns out it's not. I want to show this.

How do I play this? What do you want to show? I'm So, for example, yes. You're ruining the story of Ibu Gusti. No, this is nothing personal. It's just a narrative.

The story of Tunegangi

and the actions of Tunegangi from the time of Mas Bud, or even before that, it's always there. And one thing that makes us wonder, a news came out

that one of the attackers was caught, provoking, and holding, I'm risking everything to say this, holding a military identity. And it's been said that it's a hoax by the PTNI. That's what I want to ask.

Who should we trust, the police or the TNI?

Well, this is what I think is dangerous. So we have to trust the police or the TNI. This is like a framework, because the police is a security element, TNI is a defense element, and we need both as a country.

Okay.

Then, what else?

We have to trust the police or TNI. Next.

So the police arrested one of the actors Hmm Okay, this is it. I reported to the TNI's chief, and he said, the person is not just me, said the TNI. It turns out from the forensic analysis, there are words, but there is no evidence.

There is one more about the riot. Okay. From the forensic test results,

Do you still have time? I'll go.

Okay.

How many minutes?

4 minutes.

4 minutes, okay. Next, I have a second source of data.

Yes.

In the form of CCTV, location, incident, video was made. Okay. Suspected. Okay, suspected. But suspected. video Yes, straight to the point. The point is, if you look at this,

this is before coming here, right? Oh, sorry. It's good, ma'am.

How is it? Comfortable? Okay. It fits in with me.

Be patient. Be patient.

We're still in the duration. This is a CCTV at the SPBU location. The one suspected from the clipper. Suspected from the clipper. Look at the people here.

The point is the people who were arrested are here. I'll show you the video later. is and then suddenly, a car came. Yes, they caught it. Is this a place of riot?

No, it's not.

This is not a place of riot, this is the SPBU. And they are there, some are filling up the gas, some are hanging out. Then I finally asked the forensic team. The question is, is it the same? The location of the incident. Yes, it's the same or not? They have to analyze. The answer is, with that, the location of the incident recorded on the video, the source of data 1, which is not just me,

is the same as the CCTV recording of the source of data 2. Okay, time 31 minutes. The point is, the arrest happened in the State Police Bureau, not a riot scene. Meanwhile, in INEWS, it was reported on social media, which I really regret that no one did a cross-check and re-check like I do now. There was a report, right? foreign Clearly, the CCTV is not a place for riots. Hold on a minute, I want to clarify. What is the most frightening impact? If the DFK is not eradicated, The point from earlier,

The point from earlier, First, the people must be afraid. Crazy, if it's true that Polri and TNI are involved in mass riots, we don't feel safe anymore, right? We don't feel secure anymore. we don't feel secure anymore. Which one do you want to be trusted?

Which one do you want to be trusted? We have to, the point is, everyone, if there is a problem, just report it to the police. That means there is still a sense of trust, a sense of security, detached from many other things. But there is still that. But if, for example, in this mass action, it is directly directed to the TNI or Polri. So, it's one of the two.

In the end, the people's sense of security against the law enforcement apparatus is compromised. So, what happens? I don't report to the police. I'll just finish it myself.

In the end, the people will be brutal. Rumba law. Playing the judge. That's my fear. And from the facts I found, there are two things, the important thing is that the arrest was at the SPBU, not at the riot scene.

There was no connection with the rioters or the rioters. And this is not in any media, which I really love, I know, maybe it's a fake.

Okay, 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes of your time.

Oh, I've never done that.

You want to use it all?

But I already apologized earlier, I admit it, I was wrong to hear about Bukan Cuman Saya. And you made a video that after I listened again, there were words like Bukan Cuman Saya, but none from TNI.

I thought the audience heard it.

But I'm sorry. Why? But I'm sorry. Wait, about the apology, what I'm questioning is the context, the context to convey that with the statement, it's not just me, the TNI people said that. Well, this is a unity.

No, in the video, it was just said, he added the sentence, it's not just me. Oh yeah, for that part, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Oh, it's over.

I'm sorry.

Okay, greetings first. Salam, Jatka, this is nice This is the discussion of my camera man From answering all the mothers The chat that was not read by Denny Maybe read now too

Want to read it? Yup Read from the Puspeta Edition Where is my other phone?

The mother thinks what I do is

Is there still? Just sent again Every one is gone Just sent again Oh just sent Try to share to me I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don read it. It's okay, right? Mas, this is from Tenny. You don't have to read it. But it's definitely a general question. Just read it. It's okay.

Anyway, from Tenny. Mas, my advice is please don't get caught. All efforts to align you with Tenny. So far, the leaders and Tenny really appreciate your commitment. I'm afraid if it's caught, there will be a side who is offended.

My personal advice is not to be pampered by Mrs. Gusti. I mean, don't be pampered, what I caught here is don't let it eventually keep shifting, if my point is. Then answered by this brother, don't let it keep shifting, if that's my point. Then this man replied, Okay, sir. I'll let you know the concern.

So, that's what he said.

Next.

What does it mean? It means that you're worried that I'll set up a machine or that TNI will misunderstand, people will misunderstand. Everyone already knows, TNI already knows too, that's why I explained earlier, when I was accused of creating a hot situation between the people and the apparatus,

it turns out that TNI sees it differently after they see the videos that appear, and one of them, I mentioned earlier, the video analysis on the podcast, and the video clip that said I'm not not talking, not just me and that's the result of their analysis who said if oh, it turns out there are words like that that's why I said but I called people there TNI

it's okay, we know the situation there crowded, camera like that we don't know who's talking that's why it's said yes, it's important we know the commitment and thank you

because the news came out and we apologized to each other. The point is, it's a miscommunication. There is misinformation where you suspect that it is the voice of one of the parties, between TNI or the police. Yes, and TNI already knew and I said,

it's okay, you don't have to apologize. It's okay, I was wrong. What's confusing is, after the video came out, Mrs. Ayu was still discussing it. On the other hand, I was interested because I have a commitment.

This video is already known, what's next? I thought it would be clarified. Then, it was over there, it turned out to be still going on. That's what I want to explain. The problem of riots, the riots, that's the event on iNews too how the dynamics we can watch there, who said the words of the rioters and all that, we can watch there for cases and situations like this, that's why I said

earlier, we have analyzed together, we have seen one of the video hoaxes that is considered which one and actually the condition is stable the second thing is what is really a concern and make me want to come here is

one thing Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, after, after, what I'm confused about is, after Mrs. Ayu knew, there was no word, not just me, yeah, her mother was rushing me to clarify, then I asked, I don't want to, I said, this is the 11th time I've asked, I don't want to. Mrs. Busti, right? Via DM. Via DM, then I said, why, if it's wrong need to clarify it, it's done. Yes, that's the request from the government. Yes, it's done, right? I'm the one who's slandered, I'm the one who's accused, why am I the one who's pushed?

I said like that, anyway, that's it. Well, the case I want to discuss is the issue of contrast posting. They are not missing, but they are missing. Okay. And this has become a wild ball that is not about hurting or attacking me or humiliating me. Because this is about the victim's family and I have to talk here. So, me and the team, in the last two weeks, we are actively involved in finding victims.

Yes, I know that. We work with the LBH, we work with Kontras, we try to reunite the family, the missing victims. Well, on September 17, when Bima was found in Malang, we got the info,

it was a very happy feeling, like, very relieved, especially knowing that he was a Wala Fiat. I sent her a post from Bu Ayu, where she screenshotted my story. I sent her a post from Bu Ayuu where she screenshotted my story. Where I was posting contrast posters. They were not lost, but they were lost. It's dangerous to post this.

If Bang Densu sees this... Yes, I'll see this. If Bang Dain Sulian... Yes, I see this. We'll show it later. Posting like this, as if I'm the one who's storing it. Yes. Because you're the one who's storing it.

Okay.

The original is like this. So what's missing in this posting? One, the status template. Two, the add yours Where does this post come from? From Contrast. Contrast has a reason to say it's missing.

We'll explain later. Okay. Oh, this is a posting from Contrast, which you then posted in your story with the add yours?

That's a template posting from Contrast,

which was spread to everyone, because people have been waiting for 20 days So it's not you who started it?

No, it's not me who started it, it's not me who wrote it Okay, I understand I don't know why, maybe you can explain it later I don't know why, but in your post, the word template is gone, the word adwords is gone It's just like this, 3 out of 4, they're not gone, but they're gone So there is an impression? Maybe you can answer that.

Okay, ready.

The problem is, I thought, that's it. In my TikTok video, which I informed, which should be a happy news for everyone, in my TikTok video,

I saw a lot of people

who re-uploaded this post. As if you caught it? Yes, they said, why not disappear, but disappear?

Who is missing, bro?

So as if you're the one who opened that narrative. And that's not a problem.

The problem is bigger than that.

Okay.

You explain it, don't make the apparatus and the government cornered. This is provocative and all kinds of things. Many people have started posting this. I don't know if the source is the same or not. But all of them use the same image. Okay, that's a template. It's a photo that's been spammed in all my postings.

When one video is a lot, I think. There are journalistic videos from Kompas, there are videos from the movie theater, all kinds. I think and to summarize something, I need a large sample data. So for the first time in my life,

I made 16 videos on TikTok in one day. To compile this so it's accurate. From 16 videos, Bang Dennis, do you know how many postings, posters like this, that capture this, that look like what you posted?

I don't know. 4200. Meaning? And from 4200, there's not a single one that's complete like this, that has the adcharge,

the template, and so on. And they all tried to, from all these postings, they all tried to ask me to apologize. They asked me to admit, to clarify. I was constantly asked to clarify, because I was resharing or posting something

that they didn't write it, but it was lost. Don't say it was lost, it was there, in Malang, all kinds of things. And it became a meme material, as far as I know. And it continued until this second, and it's okay, and I kept answering, no, all kinds of things.

The problem I want to know, actually, I really want to know. There are 4823 thousand comments. And not only that,

it's amplified by influencers from micro to nano.

Okay. I just want to know, I want to ask you. Okay.

Are you more focused on the missing person

or the missing words? I'm more focused on the missing person.

Okay.

I'm more focused on the missing person. Okay. I just want to know, I want to ask you, okay.

Are you more focused on the missing person or the missing words?

Okay.

Just one question. Which one do you care more about, the missing person or the missing words used by the contrast that I share?

Okay.

Wait. Answer now? Yes. There are 8 minutes and 21 seconds. Okay. Not yet, I want to continue. Oh, continue. I just Answer now. Yes. There are 8 minutes and 21 seconds.

Okay.

Wait. Not yet. I want to continue. Oh, continue.

I only have one short question. Oh, one short question. Okay, continue.

Yes. Oh, one short, short, short.

So I repeat.

I am. Wait. You are more focused on the missing person or missing words.

I am focused on facts. Because from the beginning, my concern was that the narrative of disinformation, slander, and hatred was very dangerous. And the impact was everywhere. So when there is, the missing person is important. But when there is a narrative that is not based on facts, for example, the accusation is removed,

is there any evidence? Well, it ends up everywhere, the impact is also wide. Is there any evidence? In the end, it will spread everywhere, and the impact will be great. So, if we talk about ideals, there should be no victims. But if there is a choice, do you care more about the missing person or the narration that was removed?

The missing person, the victims are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is important. But the DFK narration, which finally has a perception, oh, it means this is lost by who? This has the potential to create a mass

that can lose more lives. For example, people believe in the narrative of the DFK. Then there is mass anger, there is a riot. For example, people believe, then people assume that the people who are protesting are missing the police or missing the TNI. focus fitnah iti. Bisa kemana-mana. Dua-duanya penting. Saya gak bisa memilih. Karena itu tergantung,

ada dampak implikasi kepada nyawa. Dua-duanya ada implikasi kepada nyawa. Kadang-kadang hidup itu gak selalu black and white. Jadi saya belum dapat kesimpulannya, karena kan saya butuh satu jawaban. Menurut ibu berarti kalau dari kata ibu yang saya simpulin, menurut In your opinion, it means that from the words of the mother I concluded, in your opinion, it is more important now that we protect so that there is no DFK from the word to be lost, rather than looking for the lost person. I didn't say that. Say it clearly.

Hold on.

Say it clearly. I didn't say that. My statement is clear. One, whatever happens, it must be based on facts. Then the second, theawa tetap nyawa. Saya ajwannya kepada hak asasi manusia.

Jadi itu tidak bisa dijadikan pilihan mana nih menghilangkan nyawa ini atau menghilang nyawa itu? No, I cannot answer that. Saya... Tahan dulu bentar ya. Ini karena sudah tidak ini,

kita free time I can't stop here I will command you later, I won't use a timer I can't stop here and after that, you can say anything because this is very important and it hurts the victim I want to ask you

okay, let's forget the comparison according to you the fate of the missing people the remaining two people, is it important? important. Do you care about their fate? I do.

What are their names? I don't remember. There's Bimo, the one I met. I don't remember the other two. You care about the people you don't remember. But you are very, very demanding of people

who say the word was removed to apologize because of the DFK and all that. Do you know why the word was removed? Because of the trauma in 1998? No, ma'am. Do you know how many victims were removed from August 25th to now?

In total. What is the substance of this discussion about the DFK narrative that I raised? You said that those who shared the post that was lost were the ones who provoked, like you said, who provoked, who started the anti-nepotism. No, I'm just asking a question.

If you don't know, I'll explain. 44 people were lost on August 25. 83% of them, or 33% of them, were in the police office. And according to the PBB rules those who are stopped in search or long

arrested without notice can be categorized as missing now this imagine am I sharing that? yes

you said I did the DFK after sharing it. It's possible to share the post with a contrast to be deleted. Would I share it? I would. But I asked, who would share it? There are 50,000 people, even more, who share the post. Because they all panic to find 3 people missing. There are 50,000 people, even more, shared the post because they were panicking looking for three missing people.

There were 50,000 people sharing the post. There were victims' families reporting to Contrast. There were facts and evidence found on the ground. If, like the mother's request, or thousands of requests, or even tens of thousands of people commenting and and spam the poster earlier for me to apologize

Is it

the victim's family who reported that their family was missing, should they apologize too?

Are the 33 people who were arrested, should they apologize too?

Is it

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm apologize. But should their families also apologize? Mr. Densu, don't be mistaken. This is a proof of the fact.

His family was bullied. They were bullied because they said they were being removed. This is his younger brother who hasn't been found yet. His younger brother hasn't been found yet, but the netizens...

Already bullied him.

Bully him.

Oh, he's been removed. Your brother. So, it's a joke. And all of them, the influencers who said that, they admitted to being supporters of the government. And I'm sure they are supporters of Mr. Prabowo. Just a small part of them.

Because, where is Nurani? Just because of the word that he lost his DFK or something. This person is missing. And there is a basic contrast to say that so I always tens of thousands of people say sorry, I say it means you also have to tell your family

to apologize just because the words, words, posters, contrasts are removed and this is the most fatal and this is really the most fatal because I got this from my family directly and this makes one mother

one mother must faint many times one mother from the family who is missing Ibu ya Harus pingsan berkali-kali satu orang ibu dari keluarga yang hilang dan saya dapat dari keluarga yang hilang dan Yang video ini video ini dari salah satu influencer bernama mister pisang bule ya anaknya gak ketemu anaknya komen di social media malah di bully hilang atau dihilangkan ya Kakaknya terus kirim video ini dan mereka minta tolong saya mas ini gimana ya kita dari keluarga udah gak kuat mental Yeah I give the benefit of the doubt. This narrative becomes a mislead narrative where the mislead has a connectivity that is then connected to Bayu

Bayu, if anyone wants to explain we have as much time as possible, I will be in charge later Oh yes, I would like to answer why my story is missing from the template, the ad story, what is the reason if the ad story is because of the croc, there is no need to repeat the ad story

Please Bayu have the time

how many minutes?

it's up to you

if it's from me, it's done okay, so first, I reject the words only DFK before we go there I want to share something, is it okay? sure, sure

why don't use only DFK? I want to show how bad the result of the DFK is.

Okay. Impact and impact.

Impact. Okay. Remember this post?

Yes.

Civilians everywhere, ferry, posting about Saroni. If this is true, Saroni fled to Singapore, then this person is a liar. I agree. If DPR fled, then they are liars. You are a representative of the people.

You are the one who made a fuss. How could you run away? I agree. I was also angry when I read that. Well, from the metadata, Feri's Instagram post

was on August 29, at 18.34. This is the photo of Amat Saroni, right? The one with Feri's post. I know the fact. But did you speak up at that time?

The person I met or him? Did you speak up? No. Why?

I just followed.

Next.

What is the impact of DFKI? The post that got 1.3 million likes. I'm small, my postings are only 4,000 people. If it's a ferry postings, it's up to millions. The postings that got millions of likes, and there are even words like,

just go to their home.

That's from people, right?

Until finally, on the 30th, it's true, it's true. But it's not because of that. We don't know if it's because of that or not. But what we do know is that this is a DFK. Disinformation, slander, and causing hatred.

How far has the DFK been related to the beating? First, disinformation that if this person really ran away. This has not been checked. Disinformation, right? Then the second one, there are already many comments,

I'm angry, why did this person run away? So, slander, right? Then the comments are already in Jarah, let's be angry, we are this, we are this, afraid of what? Hatred, right?

Well, finally, tomorrow, his house is in Jarah, right?

30th. Oh, according to you, right?

The impact, not according to me. But the impact, after this posting, the next day it happened. Yes, this is not according to me, it's a fact. It can be logical too, right? It's logical fallacy, not a fact.

It can't be a fact.

Why is this DFK? This is the Singapore Airlines ticket from the name Sahroni. On August 29, at 4 pm, he was in Jakarta. So he didn't go abroad, but he was traveling from Singapore to Jakarta. He landed at 4 pm. This can be checked at Singapore Airlines' SQ. Can I check it too and he said he checked ask you need to

Singapore Airlines. I do.

Yeah,

it's a kind of

summer.

Yeah.

Information

to the content. Substance in your hand and back there. Now the content, the substance is discussing the impact of DFK, we will talk about that in the next episode.

We are still in Russia.

We will continue the podcast episode. This is the witness of Cik Ahmad, Densu, I arrived at what time? Half past five, I got a bank permit, it turned out that Densu arrived at five, talked for half an hour, finished until half past six. While this posting is half past seven, which is definitely DFK. So you can't be a man. You can't be a man. You can't be a man. You can't be a man. You can't be a man.

You can't be a man.

You can't be a man. You can't be a man. Okay, let's check. Okay, this person doesn't have the words of the day. No, there's no DFK. No, there's no words of the day. But why is there a DFK? It was posted on that day, right? And then, is it true that this person ran away? If, for example, we use journalistic ethics codes, right?

Podcaster, influencer, anyone. Yes, in Indonesia, maybe the law of influencers is not clear. Not everyone understands the details. That's why I'm showing this. This is an educational podcast. It turns out that the one uploaded on the 29th, people finally became suspicious.

Not everyone is as critical as Ferry, that there are no words today. Let me finish. No cut. Now the fact is, you can confirm that it's true. On the 29th, Saroni was in Jakarta.

That's right.

That's right. This is your photo, right?

I tried to clear everything.

Check, recheck, and crosscheck.

Because at that time, I allowed to talk so that there was no more DFK. Because at that time, I saw that time I was allowed to speak so that I wouldn't be defamed again because at that time I saw that the condition was not good I even coordinated with Veriko I will not share anything without a concept So at that time I thought I had to try to help so that Mr. Ahmad Saroni has a chance to apologize quickly

so that everything is not worse So my tendency there is to convey that because I happen to not know him too well but I try to help from my side so that this is clear because this is already hot and I'm afraid

something bad will happen and it turns out the feeling is done ah right, it means it's not logical

yes, this is the feeling

but we can't refer to the posting of Ferris right, we can't just refer to the posting of the Ferris, right?

But the posting has an impact too. There is an impact, but it can't be 100% impact from there. The focus, the substance is the impact of the DFK.

Okay, ready.

I will answer the impact of the DFK. Okay, ready. Then this again, the news, Suara, Afraid to go back to Indonesia, Ahmad Saroni was suspected to escape on September 1st. So the news ran there? Why didn't the media do a check, recheck, and cross-check the facts? Why did they immediately report it?

The fact is, did he escape? It turns out that Doi's passport was also confiscated. He just made a passport and was issued on the 2nd. This is Mr. S. Sharon's latest passport. Okay. This is a very damaging example of DFK.

Yes.

Now, the third victim.

Yes.

Do you know who this is?

Gusti Ayu.

Hahaha.

There is no news posting about this. Why did you become a victim here? Read it. Jara Rumah Gusti AyFK, it's like this. And it can be anyone, right? Anyone, the actor can be anyone, and the ambassador can go anywhere.

I hope this one becomes a target of the masses. Jarah Rumah Gusti Ayu. Fortunately, my house is not like an inn, just relax. Be careful, my house is not like an inn.

I'm just chill.

Be careful, Ma'am. I'm afraid your intestines will be spread in the city. I just want to spread my fat. Don't spread my intestines.

But does that bother you? It bothers me.

Do you feel threatened? It's threatening. Especially now, there are civilians everywhere. Then the civilians give me threats. This is an example of the DFK. The impact can go anywhere.

It can go to me, it can go to you, Den. It can go anywhere? It can go anywhere. That's why I have a consent to fight this DFK issue. Then earlier about pro-government and not pro-government. I am a civilian. I am not a civil servant. I am not an officer.

I am not just anyone. I am also a citizen. So, if you are fighting for the voice of the people, I have to say thank you to Ferry. Because Ferry also has some aspirations that I agree with. I posted on my Instagram, for this Instagram, I agree with Ferry on this part, budget transparency. I even have a hope.

He has been in the NKU camp for 10 years. It will be fun if we have content on budgetary issues. Ferry knows the nomenclature, what is this for. My hope is that Ferry can be

made public on budgetary issues. So that the demand for transparency of the government budget is met. So I'm not saying I'm pro-government. I'm not an opposition. I'm a society that wants the unity of the nation to be maintained. Because we live, maybe because I've felt living abroad.

I've been to Germany for a few months. I've been to Germany for a few months. I've been to Spain for a few months. I've been to America. I've been to Mexico. I've been to Japan. I don't like it. The house is still the people, the environment. Indonesia is the best.

Maybe if you've never lived there, walking around and living is different. If we walk around Greece, it's cool. But if we live there, we only have chicken, and we have a lot of spices.

Turmeric, garlic, etc. In other countries, especially in Europe, it's very limited. So, for me, Indonesia is a home. I don't want that house to be messed up. And then, the philosophy of life. For me, Pancasila is the best. Terkacau balau. Terus kemudian juga filosofi hidup. Itu udah, kalau buat aku ya,

Pancasila tuh that the best. Pertama, ketuhanan yang Maha Esa. Nah kalau kita sebagai orang Indonesia yang percaya kepada ketuhanan yang Maha Esa, masa kita nggak percaya sih bahwa kita bisa berdoa, Tuhan tolong negaraku baik-baik aja. God, please, everything that happens in Indonesia is under control, not chaotic.

Then the second one, justice and morality. I agree with the idea of pursuing justice. We have to pursue it. But remember, to pursue justice, we have to be moral. Not to pursue justice, but in a moral way. Like prison.

Then like Robin Hood, he was robbed. I agree, let's just legalize it with the law. The corruptors are made poor. If not, they calculate, it's okay, I'm in jail, just think of it as an online course.

Distance learning.

Five years, still rich. That's it.

I think that's the point.

Then, the unity of Indonesia. That's very important. And, what's the fourth virtue, Den? The people are led by wisdom, wisdom in consultation, and representation. Well, Mufakat. Musyawara for Mufakat.

So, freedom of expression is important. I agree with the demo. But there are also limits. But there are limits and there is a goal for Musyawara to achieve the word of Mufakat. Then, finally, when 1, 2, 3, 4 are achieved, we will achieve what is called social justice for all Indonesian people. I am also an Indonesian, I have the right to get justice.

That means I can't be threatened at the border, threatened, threatened, the intestines want to be cut off everywhere. That's the impact of the DFK. Hold on, we have time, 1 hour and 3 minutes, okay? Do you want me to extend 20 minutes? I want to ask, do you want me to extend 20 minutes? So, the point is, I'll summarize first.

So, the point that I caught, I hope I'm not mistaken, Ferry talked about which is more important, from the context earlier, the person who lost this or the narration. Okay, while Bu Gusti talks about the context of the impact of all the narrations. Actually, what I caught, both were affected.

Ferry was affected, Ibu was also affected, and I think it's not just the two of you who are affected. I was also affected yesterday, it was a problem with the issue of pink green and others, okay, just the way we react is different Why can we react differently because we have goals each mother I see more objective overall DFK itself and also Pancasila

as our basis how we our aspirations in a way that is in line with the rules and norms and existing laws. The very focus is on the human side first, the empathy first, because he sees that life cannot be replaced by many things. That's what I think, okay? But if it's said that it's an impact, everything is affected. I was also attacked, I was even accused of being a PKI. How can? Yes, I was there. But the way I responded, maybe...

Yes, it's different for each person. Okay, now we give a chance for Ferry. I haven't answered Ferry's question yet.

Which question was it?

The posting one. Why did my posting...

Yes?

The word template was removed missing the ad story and posted where's my phone? is there a bad intention or not? I just want to know why tens of thousands of comments and four thousand images that are spammed on my account have similarities, if not the same

because none of of thousands of images suspicious that post the whole posting if for example talking about crop of course the template does not need I understand, I understand

like that Anfer so that Bu Gusti can explain I have when I screenshot I screenshot all of it even I almost shared it.

I did share that template at yours. I did. I did. I did a screenshot of that. But I designed it using Canva. Okay.

Right?

I designed the content using Canva. This template at yours is already there. Actually, if I do this From Irwani Ferry, here we have the Eclipse But it's not enough That's why I crop it like this, because it's not enough

Then I give the fact Then why did it disappear? But it means there is a miscom there too No, it's not a miscom The question is, there is a word on top of it, add template Why did this one disappear?

Is it cropped?

No, it's not cropped, it's not cropped, Denny This is there, the original is there is a word template not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is not crop, this is still 7k The one above it, there's a template A 30k template On top of it, the ferry, it's up there, to the ferry

That's gone

Where's the 30k?

Where, Fer? Add template, this is the original posting Template 30.1 stories This must be there

The one with the add yours? No, no, this is missing.

September 15th template,

the bottom is the 30th template. Oh, I didn't get that, Fer. When you posted it, I screenshot it. I went straight to the gallery. Gallery, well, my screenshot is still there. 1790, I didn't type it.

Screenshot is random, right?

Yes, I miss the Anti-DFK. Where? I have to prove everything. I screenshot everything. You use facts. Yes, that's why there has to be data. This doesn't show up.

But maybe it can't show up.

I don't know.

If the fairy sees that...

There are two things. The egg is missing.

Here, here.

For example, if the fairy at it, there are two things, it means the exhaust is gone, this is an example, if this ferry is maybe the appearance of me and the appearance of his cellphone is different, I don't know, but I'm not changing it for a while, if from the screenshot, no one edits it, yes, the impression is edited, even though the appearance is different, you see this from samsung right screenshot this is from oppo good usually yes the name of the person's phone is given this is a casio phone

it means it's an adnoxio phone really? yes

wait wait wait let it be free fair because I screenshot all of this people who are all cacimaki

this first there is no Because I screenshot all of these The people who are cheating This one first

Here, here, here

There's none There's none Well, this is First, the ad-hoc is gone That's why we ask, why is the ad-hoc gone? This is clearly a template

Because if the context is that you only post like this I made it And there What is disinformation? yes, it's disinformation hold on, hold on, both of you

this is my session hold on, before your session, I will explain to the audience so earlier he explained it using Canva so when it's in Canva, not all can be entered so it's cut the most important part

then which part is the most important? AdWords is important foreign This is for the audience, now it's Ferry's turn Forensic Center, UUI After this was lost, the answer is You asked me earlier, why did you lose this? So I will tell you everything based on my story Because of the Canva factor and so on What I caught, sorry, I'll straighten it out

What I caught from you is the impression that the person is assuming He made it Even though you didn't make the DFK, but if you share it, you are a part of spreading information. If the information that you deliver is incomplete, is there a DFK? Yes, there is.

So you're doing another DFK to me.

Which one?

The one that Ed Yorks cut.

If Ed Yorks was cut, what would be the DFK? So the impression is that the information given is not complete, that this is a posting that is actually not from Ferry, but Ferry only reshared, continuing this posting, so it's not him who made it. Okay, the clarification is not made by Ferry, but Ferry also shared.

Yes, that's right.

Now, No, that's a question, is until it appears, but I didn't make a statement that Ferry made that poster.

But not in the right way.

Yes, it should be added that, PS, this poster was not made by Ferry, but Ferry just shared it based on facts, I should add a star note that I took this poster from the Instagram story of Ferry And I don't know who made it, but I saw Ferry share it to 3 million followers Okay, like this That's a lesson for me too Thank you, ma'am Actually, I'm back from the beginning, I'm consistent, I don't try to attack you personally, or kill your character.

Ma'am or ma'am? Ma'am. Ma'am Ayu. Or kill the character of Ma'am Ayu. There is something more important that we must discuss now. Yes, maybe we can learn together, understand the context. Like this, there are two people who are still missing and this big platform compared to other things we discussed

there are two people still missing Farhan and Reno we show the photo Reno Shahputradewa if it turns out later contrast posters make a lot of posters

from 44 it continues make posters until finally after 20 days the hardest poster this is also released they are not missing but missing Wow, they made posters, until finally, after 20 days, they released the hardest poster. They didn't lose it, but it was lost. With consideration, with reports, with evidence, with family testimony, and the fact that 33 out of 44 people were found by the police.

So, contrast has a basis there. That's why I said, contrast has a basis, the family also reported it, and people were also arrested by the police if you say, if you say you are missing, you have to apologize to the government because you are accused then again, does the family also have to apologize to the government? the victim's family apologizes to the government the bullying that happened, even though the person is still missing

the family until the account key one of the families that I showed the comment that account key because it's always spent

ah, it's not key to the account. Because it's constantly being spammed.

Ah, it's not gone, but it's gone. The problem is, we don't have to be so complicated about it. It's embarrassing. And for those who are looking for it, actually, we're not winning or losing. We want people to meet.

If, for example, whatever it is, later, certain parties feel that this is a competition or it should be celebrated if it turns out that he is not lost but lost, he turns out to sell goods, Wah, wrong, or he will sell it at Warung Mandura or he is looking for iron, it's okay, the important thing is that the person is safe, and all this attention, why more or more seen these two days, thousands, tens of thousands on my Instagram account, Instagram, which I said I made 16 videos to collect why one poster is the same, more concerned about the people who share, not just me, but 50,000, more than 30,000,

how many, you name it, the last I don't know, I shared 30,000, people who talk are lost, rather than thinking this is Reno, this is Farhan, we don't know what his fate is until now. It's still unclear. It's still unclear. Bima, before we know it, from the fact that he sold to the police, he was a dealer, we don't know what his fate is. For example, when Bima was found by the police, he went home, whatever the story behind it. I'm That's what we're hoping for. If there are two more families, they can feel the same thing. Their children, siblings, and siblings

can go home. There's no one I can be sure of. Or at least I personally, we don't want the government to fall. We don't want Prabowo to fall. We don't want President Prabowo

to be dismissed. We don't want to dissolve anything. Now, our Jakape a meeting point as much as possible. This is a family message. Find a meeting point. And even if you can't be helped, at least your family or people who are looking for it,

don't be pressured.

I agree. Don't be bullied.

Don't be pressured. Don't be cornered. This is a human life. And this will embarrass you. That's why I believe. It's impossible. 58% of people who choose Mr. Prabowo

like this, it's impossible. This is near empathy. How can he be so brutal? We're talking about the loss of life. Mr. Dainsood watched the video earlier. And how upset the family was

He didn't position himself as his family He made the video, the video was a bit of a relief Hundreds of people made that video now So it's a meme, right? Yes, it was lost, it's here That's what I want to focus on

Let's focus, there's no No one wants to bring down the government. No one wants to make the DPR disband. No one wants to minister something. These two people are missing. This is a matter of life, empathy, and family. And I believe the government's instance, whatever it is,

even Mr. President Prabowo, will also be concerned with the two missing people. Okay, got it. So, friends, no matter how many millions of people watch this video, whatever the outcome is,

I hope as soon as possible, Reno and Farhan can be found. And if there is any information, please contact Kontras, or maybe to Bangda Insubole, or to me, or to Bugusti.

Bugusti is also ready to help Because I'm sure this problem actually started from narration after narration Which then on social media eventually intersected One, in my opinion, don't know the word sayang Because of course, if you already know, it can be sayang-sayangan So it can be WAWA, Because he doesn't know yet.

To be honest,

Ma'am, it's true.

Maybe you are also close, I read the chat WA group, there is personal grudge against me. It's normal. And I have to admit, there is, Ma'am. But after we talk like this, I'm clear, and I'm once again,

I'm sorry again, I have apologized once again, I apologize and I can make sure Mrs. Ayu doesn't have any evil intentions towards me. She doesn't have a firearm. She doesn't have a firearm either.

She only has a little gun. Yes, yes.

With a flight ticket to Ceroni.

With a passport to Ceroni.

With a passport to Ceroni, like that.

But yes, if I can ask for your help, there are two people who are still missing. We are also confused. You are the opposition of the government. No, I mean... You are accusing each other of being a baster, huh?

Yes, I mean...

So wait, hold on. You are not a baster, right?

No, no.

Because I'm a baster. Yes, who is not paid. No, I mean I'm confused. Yes, everything... I'm confused Everything is... The point is, if it can be supported it's really... That's it, this is in a short term

There are demands that must be evaluated discussed like a real thing, but there are there are families, and imagine on this big platform, people can know there are two people missing whether he later sells show mic or what, but the family is happy

after you bully people because he sells so much, without knowing the opposite story, it's okay, no problem. The important thing is safe. So your hope is that Bugusti will help in that direction.

I'm not done yet, I haven't been given a turn. So that's the point. Yes, if we want to debate anything, we can do a lot. This is hope. If possible, everyone here should help. Yes, all of us. Please, Mr. Gusti. Okay, I agree with Ferry's request that we should focus on helping each other to find the missing people.

The question is, does Ferry agree that the DFK can destroy the nation? Yes, I agree. Not that I don't agree, I agree. So, Ferry also agrees, right? For example, the narratives that make people angry and hate the government are dangerous?

Yes, they are.

Then, about bullying. I don't agree with that. I mean, for anyone who's watching this, please stop. Don't bully. I also posted on Instagram, please. Because I made a line of waras. For me, you who bully, you're not waras. What's the color?

There's no color? Just red and white. In Indonesia, red is bravery. White is sacred. So our bravery is not a brave pink that says, Anc-anc.

But we have to be brave, but with a sacred intention. So if you ask, who is a good person? People who use the media in a polite way, don't bully, even though you follow me, but if you bully Ferry or others,

it means you're not Baris Sanwaras. And Ferry also agrees that the impact of bullying is very bad. Does Ferry know that his followers are bullying him? Yes, he knows. But he can't control it. follower very ngebuli saya? iya, iya tau dong dia tidak bisa kontrol ya, bukan nanya dan begitu juga sebaliknya

feri setuju gak mereka ngebuli saya? engga, engga feri maukah menghimbau untuk tidak melakukan itu? sure, sure kepada orang-orang ya, jangan ngebuli bu Gusti aja

itu udah pasti, dan follower saya juga jangan buli feri dan bu Gusti Ayu. Yes, that's for sure. And my followers, don't bully Feri and Ibu Gusti.

But it's interesting.

Just bully me.

I have information. There is something that I appreciate too. No matter how hot I am with Ibu Ayu. What is the punishment? Hot, hot.

Oh, hot, hot. At that time I said, there is one, I have a borderline, how do I do it? It's up to me, I have a borderline, it involves my family. Then I have, Ma'am, is this your friend? No, it's not. Okay, I'll respond, but I won't bring my mom. Because she's crossing the line.

But even that, her mom said go ahead. So actually, I know how the conditions are, hot or anything, we try to keep the values that must be maintained. So I can confirm, we don't need to spread hatred everywhere, or to follow one person or another. If you want to be followed, it's hard.

There's no end to it. There's no end.

Stop disinformation, stop slander, stop hatred. Especially for the influencers whose followers are millions, including Ferry, Densu, and everyone else. And whoever it is. Anyone, including me. Even though it's only 16,000. Thank you, Fer.

You want to add more?

Add more.

From how many? Do you want to add more? How much? I don't know, maybe 7 thousand? I'm happy to add more. I'll add 2 thousand.

Oh, really?

I mean, all humans must remember that action has consequences. And one of them is the consequence of law. Whatever we do, when it is not based on facts, the impact is brutal. Well, we've seen it earlier, right? If the impact is to Saharoni, it turns out that one posting is worth millions. Yes, that's right.

And there's also the fact that I'm a bit curious, Dan. Why didn't you counter it when there was that posting? Why didn't you... Guys, chill, guys. He didn't run away to Singapore. I just met him because at that time I didn't counter because at that time I hoped he would appear in my place to clarify everything, to subdue everything

unfortunately he didn't and can I add? can the previous information, he did go to Singapore right, right, on the 28th so actually being told not to run away to Singapore, you can't

because on the 28th he was in just the context of the word escape foreign foreign I'm not calm, I mean, he's not dead, I mean, he calms himself down, his house has just been rented, his life is in difficult times, let him be there, we don't add pressure because it can go into the FK too No, no, no, I have a ticket, Sauron bought a return ticket, TP 28-29, 28 he went to Singapore, 29 he went to Jakarta, bought the ticket directly, returned, it can be checked at Singapore Airlines Well, if the connotation is escape, people go, not come back Well, if people buy PP tickets, it's far from the meaning of escape, it's dangerous

But now, the position?

Huh?

The position is good

Try asking your wife

Hahaha

Because there is a WA Oh, anyway, that's it thank you so much I think the audience will be divided from the results of this podcast some to Ferry, some to Begusti some in the middle

who finally see objectively that the problem is this issue and both parties are both affected big and small are indeed different, but both have good intentions.

That's the most important thing. Good intentions are number one. What is Ferry's good intention? He doesn't want this country to end up like this. Maybe there are some of the narratives that people may have misunderstood, or maybe he was also wrong in directing the narrative.

We are not judges for this matter. But here we have to understand that we shouldn't see everything from the outside. We have to be able to go further with good intentions. I think at that time, Feri, maybe there was something that he considered

he still didn't know Bugusti better, so in the end he didn't want too much communication. I think Bugusti well enough So he didn't want to communicate too much I think Bugusti is the same Because they don't know each other I hope after we meet like this Ferry and Bugusti can both

Take care of each other Because they have the same goal They both agree that DFK is not good Finally, they made a bad impact. And you also agree that the lives of these people who are missing are important. And I think, whatever happens in this country,

this is not a matter of Ferry wins, you win, no.

No.

If we lose, we all lose. Right.

If we win, we all win.

Right.

Okay?

Right. Okay, is there anything you want to say to the viewers? Maybe we should do a collab after this. If you see this, I'll check the facts.

Okay, maybe later. Maybe Feri is a bit difficult to get close to people. Because it's her drink. Usually, if it's Cleo, she's closer. Is there a closing, Fer?

Yes, there's still something missing. That's it, right? And the bus too. The police who watched to this video. Because it's a serious crime. The UUDS 50.

It can be sentenced to life or death. I hope it's not necessary.

I hope it's not necessary.

That's all. If we try to sense it together, if the narratives are still being followed, if there are still many people protesting, if there are still many people looking at the politics, the community, and all kinds of things,

while all parties want everything to be more conducive, then let's's go together. Don't attack each other, don't accuse each other. Everyone has their own problems. Am I perfect? There are so many problems. That's why I said,

if the problem is so big compared to the people who are missing, what kind of country are we living in now? And I have confidence that the majority of Indonesian people have empathy, sympathy and heart. Because what we see on social media doesn't show that at all. Until the family of the missing victim has to lock their account, have to go through frustration, have to faint because of the video influencer.

This mother is 20 days old, her parents don't know where she is, her parents didn't know where she was going, her child didn't know where she was going, for 20 days her parents were waiting for her child's news. Suddenly, the news was sent, and a video like that was sent,

it was shocking. One of the victims' families, so that we can get information, one of the victims' families, people still keep doing the research, never stop, to pray for, maybe, I'm sorry to say this, the important thing is to know where their body is.

And still seeing things like that, still trying to discredit the poster contrast with words like that, which in fact there are 33 people who were arrested who were not given information before. And the presentation, it's 8 out of 3, these two people information before and the percentage is 8 out of 33

2 people haven't been found yet, so 9 out of 33 9 plus 5 means there are 33, so there are 2 people 2 people that we don't know yet okay, so before going to Ibu Gusti, was he arrested by the police? the 33? yes, ma'am

so that's what people don't know. Contrast is finding 33 people in the police station. So they make a narration, they make a poster to be removed, it's not without a reason. Now imagine, is there anyone who opposes, anyone who responds, anyone? No, because everyone is focused on looking. Because whatever it is, and even celebrating I give a point of view, your problem is wrong with the narration

even though you feel it's not wrong and so on are you ready to apologize if someone meets you? like if someone meets me, I don't have a problem, I apologize now too even now, if for example where do I apologize? to the government? yes, just apologize

I apologize if it's wrong but does the mother also do I apologize? To the government? Yes, to the government. I apologize if it's wrong. But does the mother also have to apologize? The family who was bullied must apologize? 50,000 people who share this posting because worried 20 days not

meet and after being shared only in 2 days immediately meet one, selling playing, apologize. Do you understand? I want to know the answer from Bang Daensu or not? Do they share the postings?

I just want to know If you apologize, if Bang Daensu apologizes, I apologize I apologize, the important thing is that the person was found Because for me, the right and wrong problems are not important The important thing is that the person was found So if it's right or wrong, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the person is found. So, if it's that important,

the one who was fried, let's go out. Yes, I'm sorry, but the person was found.

Yes. Ma'am, the closing, please.

Closing. I've been here for an hour and a half. The fact is important. Because it was seen earlier, because of the DFK, the narration became everywhere. I was bullied. I was bullied. I was bullied. I was bullied. I was bullied. I was bullied.

I was bullied. I was bullied. I was bullied. I also had a lot of hundreds of thousands of people who joined. Just die. You smell like dirt, grandparents, it's messy. It's not messy, right? So, don't say it's just DFK. DFK is not just.

DFK is an extraordinary danger because it's a cognitive war. It's a war here that is invisible. Physical warfare is easier. Cognitive war is more dangerous.

The mind.

The mind. The mind can go anywhere and the mind moves people to act. Either good or bad. And also for the government, whoever is watching this. I am a people, very people, we are all people. I am from the deepest heart, I want our country to be just fine.

But a just country also needs to have the justice of the government, the justice of the judiciary, that how justice is justified as just as it is. So here I am not pro-government or I am opposition to the government, I am the Indonesian people who are pro-Pancasila Indonesian. One, explain the divine nature of Ma'a Esa.

Everything is returned to God. Does God in any religion allow to share information that is a form of slander and hatred? It's obviously not. So that's the concern. Then slander clearly violates the values of humanity. And slander breaks the unity of the nation.

And how can we be able to fight for equality if there is already hatred? It's difficult. In the end, we can't get social justice for all Indonesian people. So, all elements are needed. The community, the government, the legal authorities, and for the members of the D, the law enforcement agencies, and the DPR members.

You have the power. I want to quote Spiderman, the ladies who are our representatives. You are our representatives. With great power comes great responsibility. You have great power to make policy, to make policies,

to make sure we make good governance. Do it. So that if this country wants to be conducive, there will be government's support, there will be support from the members of the DPR. Make a wise policy. Just call it a policy.

If it's not wise, it's not a policy. And for the people, if we keep thinking negatively that the government is bad, the government is ugly, the government is stupid. I don't know, in any religion, there may be, that you are what you think. What you think, what you say, that's a prayer. If we say, oh, the government is a bastard, without realizing it, we are praying for the government to be a bastard and rotten forever.

Even though in the end, if they are bastards, we are the ones who suffer. So, remember that everything must be based on data and facts. And disinformation, slander and hatred are not for nothing. Narration is not for nothing. Indonesia is independent only because of narration. Then we fight against the colonizer also because of narration. Yesterday, the riot became hot, is there any narration?

There is a lot. There is narration. So, words have power. Words have power, Words have power. They can destroy or build. And for the influencers, including myself, before sharing something,

we always check, recheck, and cross-check. Is this a fact or slander? And will this cause hatred or will it arouse it? For example, if the victim is missing, maybe if I make a poster, I will make it that arouses the feeling, not the feeling of anger, but arouses the feeling of sadness if they don't meet, right? Our sense of care he is our brother, if now they are missing, what if one day you are missing?

how can we help each other, protect the people? Let's find it. So, instead of using a narrative that they are not missing, but they are missing, even though there is no proof that they are missing.

Contrast, right? But it's not a clue, right? But the narrative is there. That's why I mean, if there is an option, a more wise narrative, which is more empathetic,

rather than angering people, it's better to move people to do it together. That's what I mean. A narrative that moves constructively. Yes. Actually, in my opinion,

moving people to be angry, in my opinion, can be a negative tendency. But being aggressive with anger, it can be a negative tendency. But being aggressive and angry can be very subtle. It depends on how he interprets the narrative. Because we can't force a narrative to all kinds of IQ.

And we can't blame one side, who then finally, you have to understand, the IQ of this person here is different. No, but we have to agree that every influencer or people who have followers must have responsibility how to be responsible for what happens outside and today I appreciate Ferry and

Bu Gusti who in my opinion is very responsible to meet here and have a gentle and honest attitude I really appreciate that. Thank you so much, Mrs. Liri. Thank you so much, Mrs. Ayu. And I personally apologize because the first rules I finally made were wrong too.

There should have been a rule like this, but I broke it. Because in my opinion, it's not a basic thing anymore,

but the most important thing is that we can forgive each other.

One more thing that's not yet. Jerome. That's enough. 150 million. That's enough. That's enough.

Thank you so much.