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"Fui condenada a 41 años por la MU3RT3 de mi hijo: esta prueba podría liberarme”

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What happened? They try to revive him. And what happened to your son? I mean, I receive my son and I tell him, Did you disconnect? What happened to your partner? Many times he blamed me, he told me, It's your fault I'm here.

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With what evidence do they sentence you, Giselle?

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He took pictures of the bruises that the boy had on his body. I tell him, I just ask you to tell the truth.

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What did you feel when you were told? 41 years old. Some time later you realize that there is a kidney test. And you also find out that with that test, your partner is absolute. compañero Bueno venidos otro episodio más de conducta delictiva hoy desde la cárcel el buen pastor en la ciudad bogotá para contarles una historia

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impresionante recomendaciones para ver este caso por favor mire lo hasta el final antes de comentar porque please watch it to the end before commenting because each detail counts and towards the end of the chapter we will find out about a royal test and very important within this story. Today we are going to

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talk about the case of Carol Giselle Sánchez, a young woman who is currently 26 years old and the justice has determined that she was involved in the death of her son, who was only 23 months old. These events occurred in 2021. She has been here for 4 years, deprived of her freedom. And today she is going to give us her version, because she was sentenced to 41 years in prison. Carol, welcome to Conducta Delictiva. Thank you for accepting the interview with us. Thank you.

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This is a very delicate topic.

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Yes.

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It is very much criticized, not only by society, but within the prisons.

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Yes, sir.

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Why did you decide to tell your story?

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I feel that it should come to the light because I am innocent and many people judged me a lot. So that's why I do it. And because I want, I don't know, through this, many people realize that we shouldn't judge because inside they judge too much without listening, without knowing. So that's why I do it. Carol, tell us about your childhood, how was your upbringing, how was the relationship with your parents? With my parents, my childhood was super good, the truth is I don't have to talk about it.

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They raised me well, they always supported me to study, to be someone in life. Like my sister, we are two.

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And we have been very united, thanks to God we have been very united. Carol, tell us a little about you. Let's go back a little bit. Before your son was born, who were you? What did you do? How old were you?

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Well, at that time I was 22 years old. I was working as a merchandiser. I stopped studying. I was studying nursing and I dedicated myself to work. I lived with my dad. And because I didn't follow the advice or listen to my parents,

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all of this happened. Because at that time, I met Angel's father, and I let myself go. He was very judicious, well, at first, he was judicious, he was hard-working, but I didn't think that he was a man who had a very heavy childhood. And based on that, they created traumas and all that. So, he wanted to hurt women.

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He's rude. But I realized it too late. And where do you know your son's father? Through social media. Tell us a little bit about how that happened. I was studying, I hadn't graduated from school yet,

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and I met him. He sent me the application, I accepted it. We started talking. We saw each other several times and a relationship started. Everything was going great. He was working in the aqueduct. He is one year older than me, he is one year older than me. And well, we decided to go out. We decided to have a relationship. It was when, as time went by,

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well, Angel arrived. And how did you hear the news that you were pregnant? Well, the truth, the truth, I wanted to study, I wanted to travel, but at the same time, when I found out that Angel was coming, it was a great blessing for me. I wasn't prepared, why not? But it was a great happiness for the two of us, because he also longed for it.

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How did that coexistence happen when your son was born?

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Well, during the pregnancy, I received a call from him, in my face. We were at the movies, and that's when I received my first... In the pregnancy he pushed me several times because he loved playing micro. And I... and every now and then he wanted to be playing micro and I... In my pregnancy state I wanted him to be with me. But... well, many times he got angry, he pushed me several times, so... I... all of that was lost. He got angry and pushed me several times.

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All of that was lost. The love I felt for him was lost thanks to his actions with me.

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Why? What was the reason?

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He had a very strong childhood with his father. His father is very violent. He... On many occasions, I saw when I lived with him, because I lived with them, on many occasions I saw my mother-in-law. And it was because of him.

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Or I would come and I would see, because he has three brothers, and the two youngest, they were about 10, 12 years three brothers and two younger brothers. They were about 10 or 12 years old. I saw how he was. So I think he had a pretty strong childhood. And I think that's what marked him.

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How long were you living with him while your baby was there?

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I can say that about a year and a few more months because we celebrated Angel's birthday, the first year. From then on, infidelities started on his part. From then on, I separated precisely because a woman talks to me and tells me that they had been together for a long time. I decided to separate, but at that time I was living with my father. And that's when I became a mother.

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And many times he told me that my son was not his. So I said, I'm going to work and give my son the best. And I decided to end it with him, once and for all. He spent a lot of time looking for me, even though he had his wife, because they already lived together. He looked for me and looked for me. He was following me to work.

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He was behind me for a long time, but I wasn't.

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And you started your life again, you were living alone.

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I was living with my dad. You came back. Yes, I, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.

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No, no, no. for my son. So I left and he went with me to live with my dad. That's when my dad found out that he was cheating on me. Because on one occasion he left me without breathing and my dad was the one who helped me. However, I didn't cover it up. I hit myself, I hit myself. But my dad, that's when he realized, he kicked him out of the house. When he kicked him out of the house, that was when he went to live with his... was the day he left to go see his wife.

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And you stayed there with your dad?

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I stayed there with my dad. As time went by, I sued him for intrafamilial violence. I got there with a bunch of bruises to the Molinos DA's office. I showed them everything and I told them everything that was happening. And you decided to continue working, studying? fiscalía de Molinos mostretodo y comente todo lo que estaba pasando. Ahí decides bueno seguir trabajando, estudiando. Decidí trabajar, tuve varios trabajos y ya al final tuve uno estable que fue como mercaderista, me fue súper bien en ese trabajo y empecé a trabajar.

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Fue ahí cuando conocí a un chico, él estaba en el ejército, él estaba en el ejército, a boy, he was in the army. He was in the army, he was two or three months away from leaving the army. And we started talking, we started talking, I told him everything that had happened, I told him that I had a son, so he agreed to be with me. So you met him practically at that job? Or someone introduced him to you? No, what I'm telling you is that I was working. He wrote me on social media and I started talking to him.

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And he told me that he was in the army. At that moment I thought, he's in the army, he's far away, we can have a relationship. I was working here in the courthouse and he was far away. So the relationship started. I told him I had a son, he didn't have any problems.

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And that's when we started our relationship. Everything was fine. He was very respectful, both to me and to the child. And how often did you see each other? When he had permits or when I could go visit him. The visits weren't very frequent, and I wasn't that frequent either. visit our law no era muy frecuente la visita la verdad y tampoco que yo no era

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tan frecuente en que momento se da ya que tú te fueras a vivir con él o nunca vivieron

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si me fui de la casa de mi papá de joya a irme con él nos fuimos para el I said, I'm going to go with him. We went to Alfonso López, the two of us. But I was living near the child's paternal grandparents. I went there. What I tell you, the father of the child, of Ángel, he was, he followed me everywhere. So I preferred that he didn't know where I was. However, I was close to the child's paternal grandparents.

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They supported me, they helped me. And at that moment, I was already living with him. We lived together for a very short time because, I don't know, things weren't working out. The father of the child would call me all the time and he was already bothered by that, so there was no respect.

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He would say no. And we decided, he was going to spend the night at his mom's place, and I would stay in the apartment with my son. When I worked, I would take him to my ex-boyfriend's parents' place. My son would stay there, and in the afternoons, I would pick him up and take him to the apartment. So you were able to live together when he left the army completely, you were going to live together, and how were those first days of living together?

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It was good, because he had just left the army, he was not working, so he helped me a lot in the apartment. When I got to work, the dinner was ready, everything was arranged, everything was clean, because the boy was very judicious. And when did those conflicts between you start? He was never rude. In our relationship, he was never rude. He was never a bully. He never shook my hand. I never knew what it was like with him.

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He would go where his mom went, he would come back, and so on. But... No. Never. You had a great relationship.

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The truth is yes.

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Angel, your son, how did you see him days before October 14, 2021? Did he have any medical emergency?

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Did you see him sick? He had the flu. He had the flu. And when I took him to his appointments, they gave me formulas like, give him the Dolez niño, which is the one that you usually use. Well that was the one I was giving my son. But he didn't, how can I tell you, he had the flu, but he didn't look like it.

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It was when I remembered that I had to go to work. I called to get him out. But at that time, my father-in-law was going to get out. He said he was going to get out, but I had to leave urgently. So, at that time, as my partner was nearby, I asked him to come. And he came. So, he says to me, go. I stay with the child and I give him to him.

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And I said, no, I couldn't. He told me not to worry. I remember I went to the bathroom and was making breakfast. He never used to wake up when I was going to work. Angel would stay up until 8 or 9 to wake up and have breakfast. He would get up very early and ask ask for breakfast. At that time, he got up very early and asked me for breakfast.

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So, I wasn't going to say no to my son. He was hungry. So, I remember I gave him oatmeal. So, the boy who was there with me said, No, don't give him, it's too early. Wait, I'll make him some breakfast right now,

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you have breakfast so you can go to work. And I said, no, I'm not going to let my son ask me for breakfast. I can't have breakfast like this, knowing that my son is watching me. I gave him a vein and he took it completely. I mean, he didn't leave me or anything, he took it all. He didn't leave me anything, he took it all. So I said, well, I was thirsty.

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At that moment, my son gives me a kiss and says goodbye. When he says goodbye, he goes and lies down. So it's weird for me. I finish breakfast, brush my teeth, and I go to where my's, and he says, "'Ciao, Mama."

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And when he says, "'Ciao, Mama,' that's when I say, "'Something's wrong.'"

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I'm sorry. So... I didn't stop thinking about that. Because it was the first time he did that to me.

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It was very strange for me. So I go and get the food. My partner waits for me at the door. Many say he accompanied me to the search, but it was not like that. He went out there because we lived almost close to the avenue and he peeked out out to wait for me to get to the food truck. I got on the food truck and turned around.

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It didn't take long and he got on. He said he saw the boy and he picked him up. He took off his clothes to give him first aid. And that's when he calls me. I get the call from him and he says, the child is in the hospital.

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And I say, what do you mean the child is in the hospital? I just left. He said, I don't know what happened, but the child is in the hospital. He had taken him to the hospital in Santa Librada. I immediately took the Transmilenio and took a taxi and got there. When I got there, a doctor told me that the child had vomited the vein that had been taken and swallowed it again and she went into a coma.

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She had a cerebral palsy and a cardiorespiratory arrest. She told me that I had to take him to Mason's hospital. I said yes, I gave him the authorization to go there.

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I took him to the ambulance and him the authorization to go there.

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So I went with him in the ambulance and I arrived at the hospital in Mason. They came back and they reanimated him because he was in a bad state. When we were at the hospital in Mason, it was when this whole family arrived, my son's father, the grandparents, and they started fighting, but I was only with my son's issue, I didn't want to fight, I didn't want anything. I asked that no one come in to see my son because my son's father never helped me at all.

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He never helped me. He was always like, I give him a diaperkerchief but he lets me see the child. So no. And many times what I tell you, you tell me, he is not my son. So why would I want him to see my son if he was never there for him, never responded to him. Never. You arrive at the hospital, they try to him, and ask, what happened to your son?

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He's in a coma for three days. And, well, on the last day, they tell me that the paternal grandfather doesn't want to see him. I tell him that, I mean, I didn't want to let anyone in, the and I tell him, only those two minutes. He comes in, I go out, and I'm outside in the hospital. When I come back in to ask if the grandfather had already left, and they tell me that he had already left,

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that the child had reacted to him, that the vital signs had gone up. So they tell me, it was twelve o'clock, to I found him in a restaurant talking to a man from the hospital. I told him that he could come in at 1pm because my son had reacted to him. I thought that my son was going to react when he told me that he was coming in. At 1pm he comes in and I'm outside. Immediately I get a call was the child's father.

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It was when he told me, Carol, Angel, and I was like, what do you mean? But I just left him. His father came in. I don't understand. It was when I entered the hospital running, desperate. When my baby arrived at the ICU, I saw him. The machines were disconnected. I received my son and said,

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you disconnected Angel. The baby was connected to the machines. He said he hadn't disconnected it. That the machine simply stopped working. His heart stopped beating. He took one last breath and his heart stopped beating.

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So I started crying and I said, but how come? But my son was fine.

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And that's how it happened. They give you the news that Angel was no longer there. What happens next?

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They start investigating you. They start investigating me. It was when the prosecutor says that I have to go intramural. That I have to go to the URI with my partner. I get there and the investigator gave them a code, the pavilioners who were there at that time. And then he told me, if they ask you, it's for theft.

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I said, but why? What theft? I haven't stolen anything. Then he told me, later you will understand why. I said, well, I go going to go to the URI. There are three cells. In each cell there were about 47 women, more or less. And I got there.

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Two days later, I realized that they were looking at me and looking at me and looking at me and watching me. But I said, what's going on? Why are you looking at me and looking at me and watching me. But I said, what's going on? Why are they looking at me? And they murmured among themselves, but I didn't understand why. It just crossed my mind, I don't know, do I have to pay something?

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Do I have to pay something. When a cellmate called me and said, Carol, come and take me to the bathroom. Then she said, we already know why you're coming. And I didn't even understand why I was coming. And I looked at her and I was like, what? She said, and your crime is very serious.

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And I said, what crime are you talking about? I'm here for a theft. But then she said, no, you're not here for that. She said, I'm going to make sure nothing bad happens to you here, but you have to do the bathroom cleaning, she gave me the time, she gave me the time to wash the bathroom.

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She said, and you have to start now. And I said, well, okay. I still don't understand what's going on. When she said, I'm going to bring the supplies so you can do the sewing. And I said, well, I'll stay in the bathroom and she leaves. And she comes in.

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What a lot of them. The first one comes in with a stick and she cornered me and that's when I started getting a lot of beatings. And I don't know why, I didn't understand. I was like, what's going on?

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What did I do wrong? And I was just cross-eyed. I remember when I was cross-eyed, I looked forward and saw a policewoman there, a drag. She was allowing all that.

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In the URI?

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In the URI.

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A policewoman?

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Yes. When another one came, I said, What's going on? of the police. That same day, I received an order from my family. They stole everything from me. Everything. I remember that a list came for those who came here for the Good Shepherd. And they all told me,

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pray that you are on that list, or else tomorrow, tomorrow you won't pass. And I, and I cried, and I cried, and I I asked my God a be in that list. So, it happened like that. He came and fortunately I was in that list. I was the last one called.

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So, that day they threw a hot ink on my back. They burned me. So, well, I packed my things and the next day they brought me here. I immediately arrived at a security room, and I stayed there for almost three or four months. At that moment, what happened to your son? What happened to your partner?

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He was already in the URI, from there I did not know about him again. That is, you two were investigated and in the process you were linked together. Yes ma'am, he came with me to the URI, my partner came there.

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That is, both of you were told that int was intramural. That is, while you were being investigated, you had to be free. Yes, ma'am. You were in the women's prison and he was in jail. Exactly.

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As the days went by, that's when I found out that he was in the model. Because he was also almost arrested in Lauri. Based on what happened to me, they started to scream. So, since they were close, they shouted at the men and they looked him up. Based on what happened to me, they started screaming. So, since they were close, they screamed at the men and they looked for him to beat them up.

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And in that process of hearings and everything, he didn't tell you anything about what was happening? He was... he was very bad. He said... many times he blamed me. He said, because of you I'm here. But I didn't... I mean, I didn't know this was going to happen.

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How? And well, we broke up the lawsuit because they couldn't afford a lawyer. And my family wanted to help me in any way. So we broke up the lawsuit and hired a lawyer. He was with me there.

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And since he belongs to the indigenous community, he went to his side with a public lawyer. And we paid a lawyer, that they were going to take him to the law firm of their community. I had already started a trial. So, your partner was a lawyer?

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Yes, he was a lawyer. the law of the community of them, I had already started trial.

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Your partner could get him to judge the indigenous justice?

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No sir, he was judged the same justice only that as he realized that it took so long as the transfer because he decided to continue with the ordinary with the ordinary but if he could have been judged by the indigenous of course that if but it always lasted like six months for that and in those six months that he was in that I was already finishing the trial for the people who see us in other countries, here, ordinary justice is for any person in society. However, there is indigenous justice, which is specialized in people who belong to this indigenous community. That is why he could be judged for that justice and not for the ordinary.

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But he decided to go for the ordinary. He saw that it took a long time. So he wanted to go. And seeing that I was so advanced, he also wanted to go.

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What evidence do you have, Giselle?

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They don't have evidence. They only had witnesses. Witnesses that I didn't know. and Absolutely nothing. They wanted to meet me, but I had never seen anyone. I asked, but who are you? Carol, we read a document that is in the Constitutional Court and there they say that the child actually came with the signs that you just described,

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but that also in his body he had multiple polytraumas. What happens is that when he arrived at the hospital, the child did not have any bruises on his body. When he was in the hospital in Mason, the three days he was there, he had several bruises on his body. That was when the social worker, she says that there was abuse. And that's why in the afternoon a researcher came to me,

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and he started to investigate everything. He started to investigate me, he started to investigate my partner, who was there, me and many times they told me that the child had bad blood circulation. And I said, what do you mean? I don't understand. Well, the social worker took pictures of the bruises that the child had on his body. And that's how it happened. The investigator started investigating and all that,

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and that's when he told me, there's no proof that... I didn't understand what was going on, I was being called to hearings, but I didn't know the reason. I was like, why?

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What are they accusing me of if I haven't done anything? And my partner was the same. However, we never avoided anything, we always presented ourselves to the hearings. The investigator told us, don't always introduced ourselves to the audiences. The investigator told us, don't stop introducing yourself to the audiences.

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And that's how it was. We introduced ourselves and he told me, there's nothing against you, you're going to leave. And I said, but what are you talking about? I don't understand. I remember that the last time he went, he went to talk to the neighbors where I lived and everyone said he's talking about. I remember the last time he went, he went to talk to the neighbors where I lived,

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and everyone said that he was doing great. And he said, did you know that Angel's father takes psychiatric medication? And I said, no, I didn't know.

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He said, how can you not know if you were the woman? I said, no, I didn't know. I really didn't know. He said, that's a fact I'll leave you with in case it helps you later.

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Even in that document, there is the cause, which they say is endocrine hypertension due to secondary bleeding, which they translate as the syndrome of the shaken or flabby child. secundary Que lo traducen como el síndrome del niño sacudido o zarandeado Para que nos entienda la gente que nos también de nuestros países es como si lo verán suena movido el niño así Bruscamente pero aparte dice que eso estaba acompañado de poli trauma poli traumatismos contundentes

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Carol en algún momento, tú,

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¿te amaste a tu hijo?

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Nunca fui capaz. Nunca. Y nunca permití que lo hicieran las demás personas. El papá, bueno, mi suegro decía que yo era muy sobreprotectora y no, o sea, que yo no permitía nada con el niño. Ni siquiera que me le dieran besos en la boca, My father-in-law said I was very overprotective. I didn't allow him to do anything. They didn't even kiss me in my mouth, because they had that habit.

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I never allowed it.

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Are you sure that neither you nor your partner ever kissed your son?

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Very sure. ¿Te acuerdas de tu hijo? Muy segura. Las únicas personas que yo logré reconocer en el juicio fue los abuelos paternos de Ángel y el papá de Ángel.

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O sea, tus ex-suegros testificaron en contra tuya. ¿Y qué decían? ¿Qué dijeron ellos?

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Es algo... porque se supone que estamos en a trial and they have to tell the truth, and nothing more than the truth. They have a oath. And it seems absurd to me because the truth... My mother-in-law gave testimony and she says, first she says, that she sees the child three times. And after talking and talking, she said, yes, I saw him four times.

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So at that moment I said, well, in the end it was three or four. She lived with my father, with my ex-father-in-law, they lived together. And then my father-in-law says, well, he didn't,

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he didn't see at any never saw my son being there. So my question was, if they lived together, why did one see him and the other didn't? And he did say that I was a first-time mother, I didn't know many things, and that's obvious, a first-time mother doesn't know how to bathe, how to change, how to give, nothing. But they explained to me, they were there for me, thank God they were there for me at that moment. And my angel's dad, who at that moment was, well, at that moment he apologized for everything he had done.

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What had he done? I don't know. He was apologizing and apologizing, and he was crying so I could forgive him. I remember that before I had the hearing, I called him and said, let's have the hearing. And he said yes.

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So I said, I just ask that you tell the truth. Only the truth. And he said, I will do that. I said, thank you. He said, Carol.

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I said, yes. He said, what are you going to do when you leave? Are you going to stay with him? I said, I just want to leave. He said, no. He said, you are going to leave and you go out and make your life with him.

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And you're going to leave me aside. So I'm going to do what the DA asks me to do. And I said, what are you going to gain from that? What does the DA ask you to say? Are you going to make money? Are you going to make... What are you going to make?

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He said, I just have to do it. ¿Qué vas a ganar? Me dijo, solamente tengo que hacerlo. Porque él muchas veces me repetía la frase de que si yo no era para él, no era para nadie. Me colgó la llamada. Entonces en ese momento me fui destrozada para la audiencia, yo sabía qué iba a pasar. Y en la audiencia, él comenta y dice que yo sufría ataques de ira, que yo lo... Everything he did to me, he made me understand that I was doing it to him. That I was rude, that I was showing off in the street, that I was very jealous, that when I wasn't like that. And that's when they gave me the sentence of 500 months.

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41 years.

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41 years.

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What did you feel when they said 41 years. What did you feel when you were told you were 41 years old?

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The DA said 500 months, and when I heard months I said, well, it's not much at that time. Obviously I start crying because I say, but why a sentence if I didn't do anything? I keep insisting. I never took any charges. Why? Because I never took any charges. I remember crying. It was around 4 or 5 in the afternoon. There was almost no one around. I was walking to the patio when a paellonera asked me, What happened? How did it go in the hearing?

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I said, I was sentenced to 500 months. She turned to look at me, amazed. She said, no, I was sentenced to 500 months. And she looked at me, amazed, and said, then who are you? And I said, nobody. I said, then how long is that? She said, oh, no, she said,

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go into the courtyard, they will tell us. I went into the courtyard and I counted. When I realized they were 41 years, I started crying. I said, my life is over. I mean, 41 years in prison, without knowing why.

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I didn't know the reason. I didn't know. I said, why are they going to blame me for my son's death when it wasn't like that?

39:38

Your heart is at peace, Carol?

39:41

You know you didn't do it? My heart is at peace. I mean, it still hurts for all the injustice that has happened, but I'm at peace.

39:59

And you'll never take responsibility?

40:03

Whatever happens. what happens. No matter what happens.

40:13

Because I am innocent.

40:18

You told us right now behind the cameras that this is something very important and that cameras que esto es algo muy importante y es que tiempo después te das cuenta que hay una prueba reina pero antes de que me cuentes eso que puede demostrar tu inocencia pero antes de que me cuentes eso tú apelaste la condena te fuiste a You appealed, you were sentenced, you went to the second instance to prove your innocence and you were sentenced again for 41 years.

40:52

Yes, I was sentenced.

40:54

Tell me about that.

40:56

I was sentenced to 500 months for the crime that I committed, heterogeneous violence between family members. So I called the lawyer and asked him what was going on, why he didn't question me. They gave him the possibility to testify in my favor. My family was there, mybors who lived with me were there.

41:26

They never heard my son crying. My son... There were never many people. And no... The lawyer never presented a witness. I was sentenced for reference witnesses.

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Witnesses who simply spoke. But they didn't show my life. This was because... Nothing. They didn't show my life, this was because of this, nothing.

41:47

They didn't show absolutely nothing.

41:49

Also, behind the cameras you were telling me something. When you read the error, the judge tells you it was because of what?

41:55

When he's going to condemn me, he doesn't have anything to do, and he says, I condemn you for a possible suspicion. And the lawyer never fought that when you can't be convicted for a possible suspicion. How are you going to convict someone for a possible suspicion? So, I go to appeal. The appeal lasts a year.

42:22

And that's where the got my second-degree conviction. I was confirmed for that sentence. From there, I resigned from my job as a lawyer because I realized that I was not doing anything. And, well, a lawyer started to take my case. And that's when she tells me, let's have the case filed.

42:49

Let's have a case filed for lack of a lawyer, because at that moment I didn't know that my son's necropsy statement wasn't in the papers we had. It wasn't there. So, we were given five days to say yes, we are going to get married, and a month to get married. Well, the marriage is always delayed because they have to study and all that, so they started doing that, the lawyers started doing that and they got married because in for lack of lawyers.

43:28

At that moment, she tells me, I can't find the legal medicine decree. Where is it? And I, it has to be there. I don't know. She tells me, let's request it. And I said, well, she requests it, via email she requests it, she puts my email,

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and she puts her email. At that time, it was when 15 days passed, when my parents called me from outside

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and told me, Carolol had passed the test and I only went to conclusions I wasn't going to read the whole thing because I didn't understand I just wanted to read the result, the conclusions they gave

44:20

That's when it was determined what was the real cause of your son's death.

44:26

And what did it say?

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It said that my son died of acute respiratory failure, that is, natural failure. And before that, it turns out that scientifically, my son does not have any signs of family violence or child abuse, as the prosecutor usually says. It is scientifically proven. Do you see that necropsy when you are already here, free? When I am already here, free, when I am already sentenced to first and second instance, and I am in custody.

45:06

And you also find out that with that trial, your partner...

45:12

...is released.

45:13

...is released. You were telling me that after your sentence, that trial was released five days later?

45:21

Five days later, that trial was submitted to the DA's office. The DA's office submitted the evidence five days after I was convicted. I don't know what the next step is, because if they have that evidence, I don't know what happened. But we requested, we ourselves requested through the lawyer, that legal medical evidence. And it arrived in March. In January I had filed for a marriage.

45:48

I had been married for two months when the evidence came out.

45:52

And did you manage to annex it in the marriage?

45:55

No. What I'm saying is that we sent the marriage in January and in March we received the legal medical test. The lawyer incorporates it, but months pass and nothing is said. My parents have always been there for me, always. They start looking and looking and at this moment I have a partner, he tells us I have a lawyer and I talk to the lawyer, I tell him the things and he is interested in the case and he tells me, Carol, you have to give up the marriage, that is, take it away, we have to quit the case.

46:45

We have to quit the case because the evidence was not incorporated. And the magistrate who has the case, is not going to look at one thing and then say, no. There is an order for everything. He told me, we have to quit the case. And we are going to a process review. I said yes.

47:06

We gave up the hunting. It lasted almost six months. The resignation, a signature from a magistrate, lasted almost six months.

47:17

So that the audience can understand, that test, with that same test, that came out five days later, when you were already sentenced, came out five days later, It's a prayer on connoisseur me my prayer Kiss I do sink or just press on the to ya status condena Salis in Korea this place connoisseur me my prayer To compañero see logger a soliloquy most like it's an a persona inocente

47:34

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48:08

Ya to estaba en la tercera o casa Cion a ¿Estás esperando respuesta? Estoy esperando ya la respuesta. En esa revisión se incorporó la prueba de minocencia, que es una prueba sobreviniente, lo llaman los abogados. Se incorporó un testimonio de un médico forense que dio testimonio en el juicio de mi compañero donde él explica, o sea, explica bien the cause of my son's death well. He realizes that scientifically and microscopically, he realizes that the child never had a stroke, that the hemorrhage of his head and that was not through a...

48:45

There he mentions the issue of his hematomas. He was injured in the hospital of Medicen while he was intubated. And that was the whole cause of his hematomas in his body. So he explains all that in a testimony and my lawyer attaches that to the process review. In my process review, my sentence is where I am sentenced in first and second instance,

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the survivor test, the testimony of the doctor I tell you, and the sentence of my partner where he was acquitted in full trial. Because, thank God, that evidence comes out when I'm already convicted and I'm in custody, but he's in trial.

49:37

Your partner is acquitted, he is released, he is determined, and you are still in the process.

49:44

I'm still in the process. I'm still in the process. As I said, my process progressed a lot when the evidence came out. While he was in the middle of the trial. I mean, it helped him to have waited for the issue of which justice was going to be served. How did your life start here in prison? Well, right now I have faith that everything will be fine.

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50:09

I mean, many things have come up in my process and this time I am sure that everything will be fine. So I am calm. I am calm because I know that at some point they will give me a positive answer. And for my son, who I have at this moment.

50:32

You just told us that you have a new partner and you have a son. How old is he?

50:42

He is two months old. He is small.

50:48

And you can't have him here?

50:50

Because of the crime, no. And yet, I showed the evidence because I have it in the yard. The lawyer brought me the process review and I have everything there. I took a copy of the legal medical test and showed it to the gardener. I told her, look, the thing is that I am innocent and this. She tells me that yes, she read the test, but that she cannot help me because there are several sources. There is the ICDF, but nevertheless, she helped me a lot because with these issues,

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the family welfare usually takes away the babies. Well, not take away, usually. So she helped me a lot with that issue. In the ICBF my partner also went and took the test. He showed everything and he is very aware of all that. In fact, he has also been looking for help to be able to solve this as soon as possible.

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What do you think of all this? Why did all this happen?

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I think that not having listened to my parents was the main reason. But in the end, something beautiful came out, which is my son and my new partner, who helps me a lot. My parents are there with me and and well here I learned a lot about God. So that is also something good in my

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life.

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Carol, thank you for telling your story and I hope the person in charge of reviewing your case can take the evidence into account. Here we always tell people, by listening to you, it doesn't mean that we believe you or don't believe you, but we just let justice act and hopefully it will be investigated and justice will be done for you.

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Thank you.

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