“Fui el chef del Bronx: me obligaron a cocinar lo PEOR para seguir con vida”

How did you get the idea to hell. How was that first day that you arrived to the streets of El Bromo? When I took out what was in the bag I realized it was a piece of s**t. I put it on the table and he said, either you cook it or I f**k you.

We are going to make satanic pacts so that we are fine. I said, I cook this s**t and I leave. What dish did you make? A grill, but when I finished, the man said, now try it.

And while he was biting my ear, he said, if you vomit it.

And after that first time, did it happen again?

I was the devil's cook. There are some tickets left there, en tu boleta.com, for people who want to go and live that prison experience, to go and learn from the decisions we make and also from what the inmates of La Libertad live, which we do with a lot of respect to them, their families. Today we have a story for you, the truth is that we have not started recording and we are already, my dear, without words, but tell them to please watch it until the end, because it is the bravo learning that we are going to have from what was our character and what it is today.

So if you are going to comment, try to watch the full video, comment whatever you want, but as we always tell you, let's do it with respect because the person who sits here does it with a lot of courage, a lot of gallardía to tell their story. So, Michelle, who presents us with this case so impressive.

Well, many media have always said that things happened in the Bronx that sometimes we didn't think of, that we thought were an exaggeration. But the truth is that 10 years have passed since those two streets of the Bronx ended here in Bogotá, which was a place where substances were shipped, and today we have a person who lived there for four years, three of them being the chef of the Bronx,

that is, a person who was in charge of cooking, but today he is going to reveal this horror that happened in there and all the hell he had to live through during those four years. Oscar, welcome to Conducta Delictiva, thank you for accepting this interview.

Thank you very much to you for being able to vent and this is a therapy for me and being able to let go. And this is a therapy for me. And being able to help a lot of people who think they have problems. We don't know if suddenly a kidnapped person is seeing this and thinks they have problems. We can help a lot.

Who were you before you entered those streets?

I come from a normal Santanderian family. My mother was a woman of prayer, and thanks to her I owe the peace I feel today, which is the Rosary. And my father, who worked in customs, and then he was director of prisons in Cúcuta, and he worked in the director of prisons in Cúcuta.

He worked in various parts of Colombia. And they were all brothers, all of them of excellent education, all of them prosperous. And I, who was a prosperous person until I decided not to face my body or my ideas. I preferred to hide them and I was happy because I didn't depend on anyone and that didn't depend on anyone

led me to depend on anyone on the street. After having everything in my house, I went to a Lasallista school, my elementary school, which is the brothers of Lasalle and Jesuitas. I was a departmental swimming champion, I did equitation. I mean, I had an excellent life.

I lived in a car at school, I didn't have to take a bus. I mean, I lived wonderfully. And from that world, I went to another world. Running away from everything, I ended up in something that controlled me. That's the life of Oscar. I studied in New York y termine high school y soy chef del NYU, the New York

Food and Hotel Management School en Manhattan. Viví en Manhattan. Mi primer trabajo fue en el charlatan Park Avenue, 31st Street en Park Avenue. And I was working there in many other charities. I also traveled to Europe. I have two children. And today I live happily with a woman who gives me a lot of peace.

Oscar, in what moment did that life, which for any Colombian is a life of fatigue, an enviable life,

My social intelligence was me and enjoying my body. It was hiding everything that I wasn't able to solve. And since there were so many things, I was fascinated able to solve. And since there were so many things, I was fascinated by feeling joy, not having to think about everything I had to solve. I didn't want to and I wasn't able to.

And the way to feel joy?

Yes, the contact with the chemist. And that emotion that it produces. When I did it for the first time, I said, this is what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. I'm going to eat, I'm going to work, I'm going to live, I'm going to have a wife, I'm going to study. And I did it for 40 years.

I identified myself completely.

Oscar, do you remember that first day, that first contact with...

Yes, of course. I remember I was 13 years old and when I tried, I tried the first time the c***** and then I tried the c*****. I felt so much joy that was with me since I was born until the moment I tasted it. Five minutes of complete joy. I had discovered my happiness. I couldn't believe it. I was happy.

And that happiness, I didn't know it was a habit. The habit was to find happiness again, because I was depressed, I was anxious, I was tormented, I realized what I was not able to do.

And were you in New York?

I was in Bucaramanga. You were in Bucaramanga? Yes, of course, I studied at the San Pedro Claverde Bucaramanga school. And I was in my second or third year of high school. How old were you? Thirteen years old.

And that starts to get worse, it starts to grow. How do you get the opportunity to travel and study abroad?

The secret to getting into hiding, and you walking and being there, that people don't realize you start to experience the feeling that you are actually very intelligent because your body wants to do one thing your mind wants to do something else and you think you are piloting it you want to control your body and you can't and yet it, you do the biggest theater in the world.

So you get used to acting. You get used to acting all the time, you act so that people watch you on the street, you act so that people watch you in school, you act at home. But when they discover you,

that's where the problem comes from. Because it becomes hell for you to talk to your family, or with the people who find out about you. That's why they decide that I leave the house. And my mom decides that I go to the United States. Because I was already putting a lot of debt, a lot of problems in the family,

a lot of bad letters, a lot of theft, a lot of fraud, a lot of problems with my family, a lot of bad letters, a lot of theft, a lot of scams, a lot of deception. You started to take it away from your family. Of course, my brothers, my father, because I wanted happiness at all costs. My brain only understood happiness

and I liked to be happy.

What did your brothers do?

My brothers, one was studying medicine at that time, at the military school. Another, physical education in Pamplona. One sister was married and the other studied at the Central University of Journalism, here in Bogota.

And that's how it starts. That vision of your mother, of getting you out of the country, periodismo akin bogota y empieza a eso es a vision de tu mamá sacarte el país

me imagino pensando que las cosas iban a mejorar claro y mis hermanos o sea mis hermanos ya no podía no eran capaces de cubrir todos mis problemas ya se les salía las manos era muy visible y si decirme para eeuu a It was very visible. And yes, I decided to go to the United States to change. That was my project, that was my obligation. So my mother invested some money, hidden, so that I would go and fuck my younger brothers because it was the money from their university.

And I never returned the money, because of the addiction. I was me, I was happy. There, they were. There's no time to think. It's not that you're bad. It's not that you're a person who hates.

You feel love. But the emotion is so strong, the chemical contact, that you can forget that you can't fight. It's a brain, completely different from a spirit. The body is dominated by the brain.

Oscar, and when you arrived in the United States,

And there, he started working at the restaurant he was telling us about. He was making good money. What was his economy like? What started to happen there? He also started to get in debt.

I was the best Colombian chef there was. There was a chef who was on my side, who was called Segundo Cabezas. He was a very good blacksmith, a very good friend of mine, and a friend of my rumba. Unfortunately, we worked, I was very good, excellent, and they congratulated me in Cheratan, they congratulated me especially at the parties I organized for the Colombian traquetos in Queens, in Long Island, Staten Island, in New York, in Miami, but I worked for 410 dollars every two days, which was the gram of...

In eight years I didn't save a single dollar. I never bought a pair of Adidas, I never bought a Levis, I never bought anything. Everything was Salvation Army. I didn't save a dollar. I put everything in my veins.

After those eight years, why did you decide to return to Colombia?

At the moment I realized that it wasn't worth it. return to Colombia. restaurant, they suddenly saw me outside the hotels or restaurants where I worked. In the Russian Tyrrhen, which is close to Carnegie Hall, they had to tie me up. It's a very creepy place. Late, early, they tied me up. And I was aware of that, that I was going to get her drunk.

But I would hide it. I would say, no, not this time, not this time. And I always won. That's why I got bored in the United States. And I came to Colombia because there was no... At that time, the bronze was starting, but the hard part was the cartridge.

I arrived in Colombia without a peso, so people lent me money because they knew I was a boss and I spoke English. Pure money. Pure physical money. I packed whatever poor man. I was a poor man. I was a poor man. I was a poor man.

I was a poor man. I was a poor man. I was a poor man. I was a. It's difficult to get out of there. How am I going to pay? It's extremely easy. If you stop telling yourself that it's so difficult to get out.

Because you know that it's not difficult. It's to stop consuming. After 40 years I realized that.

And there you still have the cartridge? But you didn't live there? No, I was only going to visit the cartridge. me cuenta de eso. ¿Y ahí sigue en el cartucho? Pero no vivía ahí.

No, yo solamente iba de visita al cartucho.

A comprar.

Pero entonces, afuera, ¿seguía manejando su profesión? ¿Seguía de chef? ¿O que llegó aquí a Colombia a trabajar?

A comerme y a vivir del nombre de gringo. Porque en esa época, los que vivíamos en Estados Unidos, to work and... to eat and live under the name of a gringo. Because at that time, those of us who lived in the United States, the traquetos were millionaires, and we, those of us who worked, we hit hard,

because it was the time that the Colombian, when he came to the United States, we worked, only that I worked for the... I didn't have the... the balls to be...

I wasn't able to. I wasn't able to do it. So, I made many connections in Miami and New York and I didn't need to work in any restaurant. I worked in New York. And I didn't need to work in any restaurant. I worked in a certain... I worked in the Cosmos 100,

and I worked in Bogotá, Santa Isabel, I worked in several hotels here. I even participated in a World Cuisine Competition at the Tequendama Hotel. We also participated, supporting, and many, many, many chefs.

I don't know if you remember me, but we worked hard. We were supporting each other, and many, many chefs. I don't know if you remember me, but we worked hard. And I lived like that, from one party to another, I could make any amount of money, until I ran out. I had an apartment, I lived in peace. And one day I said, I'm leaving Colombia,

because my family had fallen. I already had a son and I never wanted to see him. I never wanted to see him. I didn't want to accept that responsibility either, because I was from the world. I started to travel around Europe, I worked in hotels, I worked in boats, I worked in yachts.

I moved. So when I arrived in Europe, it was no longer the same as the United States, because I was in the United States in the cool time of the Colombian of the 80s, which was Ferrari, Mustang, Lamborghini, Corvette and the cigarette yacht. When I arrived in Europe, I met the Colombian woman who is a traqueto, and the Colombian who is a traqueto. But it was a different time.

Being Colombian was a danger, because they thought I was a no-traqueto.

Oscar, when did you decide to return to Colombia and enter the Bronx?

I decided to return to Colombia because I had money. I managed to save some money and I said, I'm going to buy a house, a car, I live well and since there was no money, I fled. And it turns out that I spent 40 years running away. And I didn't get anything. Nothing.

What I got was... People tell me... How low did I fall? And I tell them that I needed to fall lower. Otherwise, there is no bottom. If you are not a criminal, you end up being part of the ANPA.

You end up participating in the organizations, whether you want to or not. You arrive in Colombia, and what do you do with the money you saved? I thought I would have enough for at least 20 years. And it didn't last four years. The money didn't last.

I smoked it, I broke it, I became a VIP. I became a VIP in Bogotá and I go down the street in a car I had. I see a nero and I get in the car and as soon as I close the door I say little brother you smell terrible and he said if you got in the car to tell me that I smell ugly I said no, excuse me and I don't take my head off that nero because years later, I smelled worse than he did. And he took me to the first VIP in Santa Fe neighborhood.

I don't know if you know Santa Fe neighborhood here.

Yes, it's the tolerance zone in Bogotá for people who see us in another country.

Is he a good cook.

More or less.

I cooked for Miss Puerto Rico, Miss Argentina, Miss Peru, the United States. Because after I ran out of money in the Santa Fe neighborhood, in the VIP, they injected me, they took care of me, they didn't let anything happen to me. Then I started cooking in the courtyards, in the catwalks of all the transvestites in the Santa Fe neighborhood.

You started cooking in the courtyards of the Santa Fe neighborhood?

Of the Santa Fe neighborhood. Of the workers, of all the crazy people on the street, of the transvestites, and everyone else. Especially the transvestites.

I started to cook for them.

Yes, of course.

And I guess I earned much less there.

They paid me with... Until... I couldn't control them anymore. Not even the crazy ones wanted me anymore. I was already, as they said, Papi, you are for the dog, they told me.

I mean, this was already

so out of everything, that not even in that environment could hold it. Nothing, nothing. Then there was one that was the hard one, the Hancock. All cut, they had hit it hard, but she was the one who handled it. And she said, Gringo, I'm going to help you. I'm going to give you a job with my boyfriend. And she gave me a job with the Mocho.

And the Mocho didn't really have both arms, and he had three glasses here. So, the hancock hung them and he stood in a traffic light and I had to take care of the mocho. For example, if I was standing in a car and the mocho said to help him, then if it was a 200 coin, it would go in the glass of such and such color, if it was 100 in such and such, if it was 50. According to the name, I had to put it in the glass of a certain color, if it was 100, if it was 50.

According to the name, I had to put it in the cup. And when we arrived, I counted the coins, and I was in charge of shaking the mocho when I urinated. That was my job every day. me I had to sleep in the corridor because Mocho slept in his room with his transvestite. But I didn't, I had to sleep in the corridor. But I didn't care. I was listening to my body, I ignored my body. And I thought that at any moment I would make a call to Europe or a call to a friend and

this would be a passenger. And the years passed. I mean, I didn't realize the time. And to get to the Bronx, one day in a drunkard I asked to the Bronx, one day I asked Mocho, how the hell his arms were cut off. He told me that the first arm had been cut off

by the jealous Hancock. I was so scared. He said, no, he cut it off. But he told me, I'm fascinated by her. So I said, what did he say? He said, well, he also took the other one.

I said, oh brother. When he told me that, I panicked. And I called the friend of the VIP, where I went in. I was with him for about a year, taking care of me. It turns out he was one of the tough guys in the gangs on Bronx Street. They had already finished the cartridge. to and the hook of it, there were several hooks.

What does the hook mean? The hook was a color. Each piece of aluminum foil had a color. There were all colors, and the capsules were separate. Each house, within those two blocks, each house could not be sold in a house if it were not the color of the house.

You could not sell another color. You would be f***ed. And if you went to a place, you had to stay there.

How was that first day that you arrived on the streets of El Bruevo?

Impressive. The smell, the smell of smoke. The smell of burned notebook paper. llegó a las calles del problema. Impresionante el olor a humo, el olor a papel de cuaderno quemado. Pero lo que más me impresionó el primer día fue cuando me invitaron a comer. Yo soy chef de cocina, yo vengo de saber comer. Y ustedes se acuerdan de los libros, de los diccionarios amarillos, de los... El directorio. El directorio telefónico. Do you remember the books, the yellow dictionaries? The...

The directory.

The telephone directory. They took out a new directory, they tore the sheet and gave me 100 of beans, 200 of rice, chunchuya, whatever, and a massif. I had lunch that day for like 500 pesos.

The guy invited me, the tough guy. I gained their trust, then the thieves came, brothers, I crowned them. me invita el tipo el duro me gané la confianza entonces venían los ladrones hermano que coroné entonces yo iba y le cocinaron de la hermana o los 15 años de la hija o sea si fueron enterando que usted era chef claro claro mano claro y lo me contrataban lo perdón la pregunta pero They hired me. Sorry to ask, but did they bathe you? Yes, they used to put me in a parapet.

They called it the gringo parapet. To be able to take you to the 15 of the daughters?

Yes.

I never received any money. And then came the hard ones, the ones who sold, who crowned something, that did them good. So they hired me to go to the houses. And I went to some houses that you see outside and it's a tugurio, but go into that house.

Marbles, something that... impressive. I mean, what you see on the outside, in the neighborhood, neighborhood, up, there's nothing... you don't explain how Italian marble, pink...

Inside it was a palace?

Totally, total. Los materiales, el diseño, era otra vaina. Pero la calidad de los materiales, impresionante.

Y empieza entonces usted a participar en matrimonio, comuniones, 15 años, hacer comida para todo el mundo.

Exacto.

Y después regres to the Bronx.

And then I returned to the Bronx and with the bomb, they paid me the bomb, which was 100 pieces of paper. It lasted three or four days. With Chamber, which was alcohol and water. But since I was thin, I would pour yerba ue. That was my bill. alcohol y agua pero como yo era fino entonces le echaba yerba buena ese era mi nota con 3000 pesos quedaba borracha

me tomaba una botellita doctor del alcohol de la farmacia

y cuánto tiempo duró siendo... un año y en qué momento cambiaron esas condiciones de ser el chef de los 15 de matrimonio

lo que pasa es que yo me gano la confianza de ellos porque el mocho in those conditions of being the chief of the 15 of marriage? What happens is that I gain their trust because the Mocho, the Mocho is very important on the way to hell. And the Mocho had a gang of thieves. How could he get close to the cars? At that time, they were the front of the cars

and wallets and that. So Mocho would look and there were like 20 roads on the next traffic light, and boom, those were the piranhas. Stops, radios, windscreens, rearview mirrors, everyone would get off like that.

In a second, he was the tough guy in those gangs. He was the boss of that. So, he was a person who was seen as indefensible. And he was the one who promoted me to the Bronx.

And who promoted you to the Bronx?

Of course, with the Ampa. With the Ayayines. I mean, I already came with a name. I wasn't just a guy who got in and stayed there, and went out to attack us. I was part of the gang. I identified with them.

They said that I was the gringo messiah, but that I smelled worse than them. I don't know if you've seen my photos. gringo pero que olía más feo que ellos no sé si ustedes han visto mis fotos entonces no me prestaba ni la pipa y después el duro duro me dice a mí que quería que le prepararon una mesa que él quería hacer una comida especial entonces yo le a table that he wanted to make a special meal. So I designed a table like the ones I've made.

And I went shopping for the silver plates with gold edges and everything. I mean, a table that was worth 30 million years ago. 24 years? What? 14 years? It was a fortune. Plus everything it had inside.

Plus the hammers, plus the knife, the tramontine. Or if the Swiss didn't get it, they got a spectacular tramontine box, which I couldn't even have. And he invited me and asked me, what do you want? I said, brother, a lot of substances,

I want that a lot. And he said, oh well, you have it for life. And I had been knowing the man for four years. And this man proposed to me that he would make the table, and I said, I'll wait for him tonight. I said, do you see that door on the floor?

And I said, yes. Well, brother, to open that door, that was another story. That was not a door like a hatchet, it was a thick thing. Made of steel and cement. I waited, and at 11 at night a man came with a hood. It depended, the first one was a hood.

You've seen those triangular black, high hoods. Like the Nazarene's. They go to Santa. Well, they arrived with about 20 of those. And one of those took off the hood. And it came with a bag.

And I was in that lock I had. It was intoxication, so tenacious. I approached to hug him, and when I was going intoxicated. I came to hug him and when I was about to hug him, he took the first two teeth out of one. I fell to the floor and I said, what's wrong with you?

It's me. Are you crazy? I'm not crazy. I'm not going to leave here. I said, are you crazy? I thought the man fucking me. Then the Sayagin came and hit me in the ass.

He said, take out what's in that bag. I said, no, these guys are serious. I mean, I still didn't accept it. I didn't accept that they were mistreating me. And when I took out what was in the bag, I realized it was a piece of skin.

I said, brother, you want me to cook in this thing? Are you crazy? And I said, do you know what that is? They are stitches. Well, he gave me like ten stitches. The same man. in he He looked at me like that and said, Listen, dog, calm down. We're going to make satanic pacts so that we're fine,

so that you don't get shot. So that you have your... So that we can sell, so that we can be the best in the Bronx and Bogota and we can control the police. Don't let us down, dog, what's wrong with you?

And what did you do?

I said, well, what? I said, no, what the hell? I took the pipe and I made a hunting to the dragon and I fucked it. I said, no, I cook this shit and I open up from here. When I'm going to start cooking, the only bag I had in my skin was another skin made from a suitcase.

What dish did you make? The first dish I made, I made it on the grill, a grill. But when I finished making it, the man said, now try it. I said, are you crazy? I'm not going to eat that. And I wanted to vomit, and I'm going to vomit.

And the Sayajin comes and bites my ear, he bit me. And he said, if you vomit, I'll bite your ear. One thing is that they talk to you, and another thing is that they talk to you by biting your ear. You don't know how impressive that is. I stayed still and I said, ready. Brother, I had to eat. I was the first.

I didn't have the balls to let myself mother. I didn't play anymore. And in the time you had been there, had you heard of that practice? There was a rumor.

There was a rumor, but I never imagined it. I never imagined it. And that's one of the reasons I'm talking about, so that many of the ñareros who had to eat meat, because they took it out on trays. There was a restaurant inside, where foreigners came and ate,

to get rid of the ñeros, because they couldn't take them to the morgue. So they took it and make a pot of it and put it in the nero. They'd make some rice and they'd chop it. The nero was starving. The man would say, You're a good customer, have this rice with meat for you.

That's how the Christian. And what was left, bones, the bones, the lungs, the viscera, were burned.

And after that first time, did it happen again?

Three years, Tuesday and Thursday.

Tuesdays and Thursdays were the days you cooked? Jueves los martes y jueves eran los días en que usted cocinaba si lo miren los

platos de blindaje de usted salve maría para mí era me tocaba hacer el ritual yo el cocinero del diablo según ellos y a mí me he escogido satanás de usted I had chosen Satan. God save you, Mary. The only thing I saw of Satan was sadness, poverty, hell, seeing dead people. Tell me about that restaurant where the foreigners went. How did it work? Did they work there or did they just know him? No, no. There are things that one, for example,

the hard-headed ones could not see their faces. When they arrived, they gave you the order to lower your head and you could not look at them. That is a big lie if I tell you that I know all the hard-headed ones. I knew one, but the rest did not. Not even the black people who were outside could see their faces.

When a hard guy came from each street, the one who raised his face would get beaten. Because the man would go without a cap, and you couldn't see his face. That was a bad thing, as they say. no se le podía ver la cara. Eso era una vaina trinca, como dicen.

Pero ese restaurante estaba abierto todos los días, 24 horas, qué platos ofrecía.

Se cocinaba martes y jueves. Venía mucho japonés y mucho tailandés.

Ahí.

A meterse en allá en el Bronx, en el restaurante. Sí, claro, valía un millón de pesos el plato. but a million pesos at that time, we're talking about how much? How many dollars? 600 dollars a dish? Very expensive. A dish of a... in a... in a pocilga. Have you ever thought about stealing the soul of the dead?

That's what it is. People who hate their mother are stealing their mother's soul through a person they steal the soul of the mother to make her suffer, to make her sad or to make her work for them.

Oscar, but those dishes that they asked you to make, what characteristics did they have?

All the dishes were just meat. They didn't have potatoes, or beans, or rice. They had a dozen marinated. They all had marinated. But the objective of the meat is not the silverware. The objective of the meat is the spirit that you put to protect you. There is no respect for death,

nor respect for the human waste that remains.

That is to say, the people who paid that money, who went to that restaurant, did it with full knowledge of the meat they were going to consume.

Those who bought the gramaje, yes. Those who consumed in the street, who were the neros, had no idea.

And that restaurant worked as a normal restaurant, with a menu where you could choose your dish, or was it the same dish for everyone?

It was the same dish for everyone. That was... and they had a certain time, and there were prayers and rituals. invoking the devil. God save you, Mary. I love you, Mary. It was not the dish, it was not the meat in passion fruit sauce, with shrimp and prawns, no. Eso no existe.

Era simplemente un tema...

De ritual. De ritual. Era la carne sudada.

Espiritual, mal.

La carne sudada. Cada vez que usted diga una grosería... Yo era muy grosero y gracias a Dios, pues ya no... I was very rude, and thank God, I don't say it so often, because I spent three years with witches who still curse. In reality, there was no time for savoring. There was no time, it was something so ridiculous. They could choose the witch,

because there were witches from the guerrillas, witches from the paramilitary, witches and they sold the armor. Do you know what armor is? Armor is that you can enter a bank to steal and not the police and if they don't enter the police. Oscar, you spent three years in a hole in the Bronx, like in a basement.

And there was the kitchen?

Yes.

And you were delivering the meat to everyone from there?

No, the ritual was done with me there.

But what was left for the other street dwellers?

That, yes, I came to know later. That what was left was distributed? habitantes de calle. Yo vine a saberlo fue después. Que lo que sobraba se le repartía. Sí, claro, porque decían y lo de los chicos y lo de los ñeritos. Entonces usted como vivía ahí?

Esos eran maltejados. Como vivía ahí? O sea, desde que alzó esa tapa que nos contaba que era como así de gruesa, de ahí nunca salió?

O sea, duró esos tres años ahí? salió pero amiga de verdad tuve una amiga que nunca le conocí el nombre yo visto mujeres hermosas en mi vida yo ando 70 y pucho de países y visto de verdad mujeres pero esta era despampanante sea despampanante entonces conocen los perros siberianos eso que tiene un ojo It was amazing. Do you know Siberian dogs? Those with gray eyes? Well, a Pocahontas with gray eyes. And they weren't post-its.

The clothes... I've never seen them repeated, but the clothes... The day I saw them the cheapest, they were $12,000.

Really?

Pure Carolina Herrera, puro, de verdad, designers, diseñadores. Siempre que había el rito, a ella le parecía. Y me gustó porque siempre me decía, oñerito, yo sí, mi abuelo era una... I was a little boy, and I knew my grandfather was a whore. That's how it started, I was talking to her.

I had to be a whore.

And I knew, yes, I was a whore. I was a piece of shit. I was the crazy psychologist for three years. I was a psychopath. That's how she started. That's what she told me.

She was the one who gave the start. The elder witch. Describe to us that basement. That basement is a damp, gloomy place

where all the money went. That basement is a damp, gloomy place,

where all the money went. It was a special cavity. All the tunnels came out of there.

But the worst part of those sacrifices,

of that satanism,

was that they were going against the hard of the bronze.

All the satanic rituals in which I was, everyone was going against, to fuck, the hard of the bronze. They wanted to get it out. And since they couldn't, then they applied Satanism to it. And they fucked it up.

And there you had the kitchen, the bathroom, there you slept. is Yeah, you said to me a la cocina a bain au I dormia

Hermano el agua para que se haga un idea lo que es vivir en eso se rompió una tubería que era el antiguo a bogota el hueco era Si ve este hueco el redonde tico If you look at this round hole, it was this big and it was about 15 centimeters in the ground. But a puddle of water, urine, passed through it. And the only way for you to drink water It was when there was good pressure. Then the water came out a little higher than the level of the garbage that was stagnant. And it was time to drink water.

There you had to flush. And the bathroom?

To the bathroom.

For everything? There was no bathroom.

And did you sleep there? There. To everything. There was no bathroom. And you slept right there?

Right there, I did everything.

What did you eat every day, Oscar?

Meat. Three years, I didn't eat anything else. I didn't have the right to anything. What we had to do was... my own thing. There's a part called the ingestion of spirits.

And when you ingest so much spirit, you start to lose control, because the spirit is the one that dominates the brain. That's why I can get out of the coma, thanks to that intake. Because I realized that my brain was not worth a damn,

what is worth is... what kind of spirit do you want to feed? That's what got me out of drugs, the prayer focused on the kind of spirits I wanted to present. How do I want people to see me to be part of a community? I say that because I stopped consuming and they would grab my *** and move me.

They would lift me up and put me against the wall. There was no one. Only rats, this big.

No one.

Because during the week, the only thing I had was the sayajin and me.

Tell me, is it like this, that the people you ate with,

did they introduce themselves to you? Yes, of course. They told me, I am such and such, I have this family. The conversations were pleasant when the person was good, but there were bad people.

It is a spiritual information. It exists.

But I see them or I just hear them?

You start listening to them and listening to them over time, over time, over time, until they become part of you. You give them space and you have to feed them. What you think they like, that attracts them. And I had to pray so I could be calm, so I wouldn't have those conversations,

because I had to sit down and I still sit down in front of an altar and say, I don't know what this man's name was, but his body was like this. And I think, God save you, Maria, and I go through him. I go through the body, but I look for the soul and I cry for the soul so that it comes out of that limbo where it is. And I feel the rest and I take it off.

If you wanted to hear something, that really happens to me. And that's why they locked me up and said I was crazy.

I was going to ask you that. Have you ever consulted a psychologist, a psychiatrist, about what you heard?

Once I went to a psychiatrist and he told me that he didn't want to hear about those atrocities. He told me that he didn't want to hear about those atrocities. Another time I went to a doctor and I told him, Doctor, I don't know, I think I'm thinking badly. And you know what the doctor said? He said, how many rosaries do you do in a day?

And I said, well, one, two, three, five, it depends. He said, then keep praying. I don't know about that.

And then why did they say he was crazy?

I was at the psychologist, I was in San Camilo, I was in Santa Clara, I was in frenocomios tied up. They tied me up because they couldn't with me, I wanted to go to the hospital, because they invited me. I have a foundation, I handle crazy people on the street, I have a wife, I have a son that I'm learning to raise. And I'm a very normal person. But I have some spiritual antecedents that I had to live the terrible. And do you remember body to body?

I think I remember about 90%. And I have managed to get 90% in prayer it, in prayer, to feel peace, to let them go.

Oscar, how did you manage to get out of that hole you had been in?

After so much talking, and so much spiritual contamination, I couldn't take it anymore. I wanted a quick solution. That's what I wanted.

I took the bottle and I...

and when I was going to attack the Saiyan, because I said, I'm good and healthy, I'm not capable, I have to pressurize myself. And I had the bottle and the Saiyan was behind me, so I just had to stab him and that was it. That's it.

I didn't go to peace. I called him, I told him, look, and he came running, he took the bottle from me because I kept giving him, he took the bottle from me empezó un gringo no yo lo quiero cuando me dice yo lo quiero y a mí se me estaban yendo las luces ya viene el otro y dice vamos a echarlo en el ácido rápido y este man se le expuso cual ácido y yo le I said, man, I'm going to get the acid, quick. And this man put the acid on him.

And I said, brother, all I'm asking you is that you don't leave me in the lurch. Call my family. I had a brother who was looking for me. And one day someone came down there to, ''Your family is looking for you.'' Another Sayagin spoke to him from the bottom of his heart. ''Your family is looking for you. A brother is looking for you.

He's coming from out there and he's giving us money.'' He was one of the tough ones, one of the Sayagins. The one who was with me was a dog washer. But he was terrible. I don't know if it was the money my brother was getting, but he would come down every three or four months and tell me,

calm down, hold on, hold on. One day I'll come and take him to the roof to change. And you know what the roof was? It was better down there. Because the roof, when you climbed it, the We know what the roof is. It was terrible. And after they tried to calm him down,

what was happening to him there.

He hugged me and ran out through a back door. He picked her up with my head, rather. Because he put it like this, he put it like this, and then he pushed me to close it. And I, with my head, was the one who lifted the lid and I went out there to the hotel

where the battalion was a hotel that was there in the corner I was at the exit all the time I was walking around

but it was a false door I never knew otherwise I would have flown. I couldn't believe it. I opened the door with my head, my brother hugging me.

I opened it with my head,

it wasn't even...

simple. And where did they take you? To the Martyrs' Park. And they throw me in the Martyrs' Park. I looked at him, and I said, I don't know what happened to him.

And from there you were badly injured in the park.

I was bleeding. I was happy. Because I saw everyone waiting for me.

And how long did you wear out without seeing the light?

About three years.

Three years. I used to comb my hair with a lighter.

I had to burn it. Those were big moustaches and fleas. Those fleas were fleas. It's like they were jumping on my dick. Millions of fleas of gas of gas. You saw them.

And that's how they cooked.

That's how they cooked. That's why I tell you there was no hygiene. Of any kind. Oscar, who picks it up? How do you survive? The police save me. The police.

The ones from the CAI, which is in front of the Martyrs' Park. And in front of it is Caracas, and there is a CAI. They, from dawn to dawn, they were there. Those policemen are the ones who pick me up and call the ambulance and take me tied up

because I couldn't be helped. Because I was leaving and I wanted to go with the ones who had eaten me. The feeling of guilt was terrible. I felt guilty. I felt extremely guilty. I didn't know anything, but they were here because of me. And because of the others. The only one who was allied to them was me.

It's a crazy thing, bro.

And after how long did you see your family again? I saw my family again. I saw my family again. I saw my family again. I was their ally. It's a crazy thing, man.

And after how long did you see your family again?

Well, I started the recovery. And there in Santa Clara, then I entered San Camilo, a psychiatric hospital in Bucaramanga. They put me in Huayca. And while I was there, I started to pray. In Santa Clara, I started to pray. A group of Mabuse, who are a brotherhood, they came and started to pray.

That he should be saved, that the only way out is prayer. And a crazy guy came, a classmate of mine, came up to me and said, Oscar, my sister is in Ave Maria. I went to visit her in Germany,

but she was arrested and they took her with a few pounds, and they told me that God, and that, oh, come on, don't talk to me about that, rather give me a connection and get me out of here. I said, I me a connection and get me out of here. I need divine connections. I said, give me a connection of a traqueto and let me win.

No, Oscar, I changed and left. And then I have a nephew who is a Jesuit, he is a priest. And that man, I stole him, because he would go and impose his hands on me, but I told him to impose his hands on me in the cafeteria. So you know what a priest is, he wants to help you,

and I, seeing the arms of Reina, Coca-Cola, hot dog, I took the priest's salary and everyone who went to pray for me. I took their salary, you see. There were three pandeyucas, two arms of Reina, la ponimalta, and they kept praying. I didn't know that a process had begun.

And finally eating something different.

And in prayer. And I didn't understand. I ate everything. And now you have a foundation, Oscar. But I'm going to go, to give a testimony, we're going to do prevention, we're going to talk about the part of the criminal, the antisocial part, from a point of view outside of the human.

I'm here, I'm going to Bucaramanga again, I was on the plane, I arrived in Bucaramanga, they picked me up, I got home, my wife hugged me, we scheduled the day of tomorrow at the foundation. I said, how excellent, I wanted to get in and fulfill the goal. It's a lot of little things, they give much more joy than one thing all the time, the spider.

The same.

How many years have you been without anything? Ten.

Ten years without anything.

Yes, yes, but I'm still addicted to everything. So, if you see the beautiful figure I have, I eat to everything. I'm addicted to everything. I'm addicted to everything. I'm addicted to everything. I'm addicted to everything. I'm addicted to everything. I'm addicted to everything. You are addicted to everything.

I am addicted to everything. To work. So, since it is good, it is a good addiction, I have to do it. I work, it is 10 at night, and I am in prayer. Son 10 días de proteína.

Lo hacemos con todo el gusto. Muchísimo, muchísimo ayuda. No crean que eso es... eso no es fácil de conseguir.

Oscar, de pronto, para to donate to your foundation, who want to support these people who are in recovery, where can they do it?

Well, we have a bank account in a cooperative in Bucaramanga, because unfortunately the foundations don't open to the new foundations. I'm five years old and they don't want to give me in Bancolombia, the big companies don't give me, because they say there's money laundering and stuff. So we have to work with the NECI and with the number, this number, authorized by the foundation, because I am a legal representative. So, we work with this number.

Well, we are going to leave you the account of the foundation, Oscar, for the people who want to support. It is not only in cash. I mean, the person can say, look, I bought meat for you in Bucaramanga, and he gives us the order and we go. Bucaramanga carne para ustedes. Y nos da la orden y nosotros vamos.

Cuéntanos un poco el trabajo que hace en la fundación, Oscar.

Nosotros trabajamos con habitantes de calle en condición de calle. Y trabajamos casos extremos, que son casos bien difíciles, que es lo que me gusta a mí. Porque es un reto, un reto de todo lo que yo he aprendido. very difficult, which is what I like, because it is a challenge, a challenge of everything that I have learned, because to get out of addiction you cannot do it by force, but we do motivate him emotionally, in prayer, to learn that there are other objectives. who are the ones who always want to help you. If you don't want anyone to help you because you feel

alone, don't use drugs. Because the drug is not capable of handling 2, 3, 5, 10, 15 people at the same time. It is not capable. So it loses that gap that you seek in society to produce, where are you going to have followers, how do I have followers if it is not capable't manage a person. Today we are in the middle, we are in the big networks.

How do you intend to have followers if you can't manage anyone? And the only one who manages, manages it to the point of sadness, to the point that you need help. Who is going to believe in you if they see you depressed? Go to work and see you depressed, see what happens. If you want to live all that, but if they want to live happily, that's great.

Without having to be busy for life, thinking about consuming. I mean, we addicts are already busy. We don't need any more occupational therapy.

I'm already busy. It's something for life.

Until four days after I die, my brother says. I believe him four days after he dies. He didn't believe me before.

What did his brother say?

The toughest, the most of all. He said, it's disgusting not to be plotting something. It's hard to believe that he's behaving so well. Yes, yes, he's strange. He says, is he going to steal from me?

Oscar, thank you for being here. It's been, I think, we've heard from everyone. But the truth is that...

It's been too shocking, Oscar.

It left us speechless, that story.

I think we to close this. You were telling me an anecdote, and I've never told this before, but one of the dead, one of the dead that we consumed, I loved it. Because I see the computer and the man said to me, he said to me,

Muecas, the spirit is talking to me, right? And suddenly, he lifted a glass, seeing it, and I said, I can't hear it, because there's a glass between the two,

and I went back and...

And do you know what that glass was? A coffin. It appeared to me in a coffin. I moved the coffin. I can't hear it. That's when I heard it, the rest I saw it as a piece of cake.

It was that size. The note. Without a hitch. I'm talking about five years ago. He could have taken it off. So you can imagine how it looks.

Oscar, without a doubt, we have a strong message. In our hands, in a doubt, we have a strong message, and that is that in our hands, in our decisions, is what we want to live. Everyone chooses what, but sometimes, when you are in that world,

you can no longer decide.

Yes, it is choosing the environment wrong. I mean, there are environments, You have a great work environment. But if I decide an environment on the street, I will also become good at that. And once you become good at that, you get used to it, it seems everyday to you, and you see people doing the same thing.

You normalize it.

Nothing happens. And you are not alone. It's 100 nier. Es 100 ñeros, 200 ñeros. No pasa un carajo. Ahí está el hueco, porque hay hueco en la sociedad.

Como ya lo dijo Kevin, nos deja sin palabras. Lo único es lo que ya les mencioné, un mensaje contundente. Y bueno, a todos ustedes, and we'll be waiting for you on March 20th at the Astor Plaza. and we'll be waiting for you on March 20th at the Astor Plaza.

See you in the next episode.