FULL Republican Civil War EXPLODES Over Tucker, Fuentes, Israel

Speaking of Israel, it is now destroying the Republican Party much in the same way that it absolutely destroyed the Democratic Party, and it's exposing a schism between the party elites, the people in power, the old guard, and the younger generation, which is increasingly going in two dramatically different directions. And there is a full-blown campaign right now amongst Republican Party elites to cancel Tucker Carlson, and really also to just silence any critics of Israel. Let's get specifically to the recent Republican Jewish coalition meeting here in Washington

where multiple speakers took the podium to denounce Tucker Carlson to justify support for Israel. Let's take a listen first to Randy Fine.

Today, Tucker Carlson is the most dangerous anti-Semite in America. Multiple speakers have talked about the rise of anti-Semitism on the right. But it is not enough to speak in platitudes or generalities about the fight. We must call evil by its name. It's chosen to take on the mantle of leader of a modern-day Hitler Youth, to broadcast and feature those who celebrate the Nazis,

those who call for the extermination of Israel, to defend Hamas, to even criticize President Trump

for stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Yes, how dare he criticize President Trump for...

Anyway, that was-

I love that they had Tucker is not maggot signs printed up.

Right, not an op whatsoever, right? Clearly not designed to kinkos in a room of 150 people. By the way, was it just the self-described Hebrew hammer of Republican Randy Fine? We also had Mark Levin, a very vocal supporter of Israel, openly supporting cancellation, deplatforming. Let's take a listen.

Hitler admires, Stalin admires, Jew haters, American haters, Churchill haters. You're damn right we're going to cancel them and deplatform them. It's called the market system. They don't have a lifetime job like a bureaucrat who we're going to protect. And if they're your friend, there's something wrong with you. No Hitler admirer, Holocaust denier platformer should be anybody's friend, as a matter of fact. You don't get to wrap wrap your psychotic, mental, unhinged, Nazi, Klan, jihadist bullshit around American patriotism.

You don't get to claim you're MAGA and America first when you're lining up with the Marxists and the Islamists and Hamas and the terrorists. That's not America first, that's sick.

We're gonna cancel, we're gonna de-platform them, and then finally, my personal favorite pitch from Lindsey Graham about what MAGA really is all about. Take a listen in his own words.

I feel good about the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going as a nation. We're killing all the right people where we're going as a nation. We're killing all the right people and we're cutting your taxes. So to those who worry about these stupid interviews and far-off places, don't worry. The Republican Party has figured it out when it comes to Israel. We understand that Israel is a friend of America to the bitter end.

We are cutting your taxes and we are killing all the right people. That is now Lindsey Graham's pitch for what MAGA is all about. And all of this is in the context, the fallout of the Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes interview, which has caused like massive consternation here in Washington. Let's go and put this up here from Heritage Foundation, which previously put out a video,

which you guys covered on Friday, in defense of Tucker Carlson, but also saying, I disagree with Nick Fuentes. Here's a long, tortured statement from Kevin Roberts, the president of Heritage, saying, yesterday I said I abhorred views by Nick Fuentes,

and a long thing about racism and antisemitism are not relics of the past. Actually, antisemitism and all of that is a huge problem. Let me just zoom out and kind of give my general take about what's happening here. This is the same thing that happened

in the Democratic Party. Israel has been ripping apart the coalition from the beginning, which is young people who are skeptical of war, who are also deeply concerned about the financial system, and the traditional three-legged stool party elites. Trump was a band-aid during the campaign,

which could somehow convince an RFK Tulsi supporter to vote for him, in addition to the Republican Jewish coalition and others who say he's the most pro-Israel president of all time. Why did that fall apart? Because like Biden, you're not just in the campaign anymore,

you have power. When you have power, you make discrete choices. You made a discrete choice to support Israel. In the vacuum of that, what the Republican Party elites did is throughout the entire Biden administration

and the early Trump administration, any critic of the government of Israel and of US support for Israel was branded anti-Semitic from the beginning. There was a concerted effort to make sure any critique of Donald Trump on the state of Israel was entirely anti-Semitic.

So what happened with a significant portion of young podcast curious young dudes who were pro-Trump and who were anti-war? Where do you think that they started to seek out some of their Israel and Trump criticism? That's kind of a secondary part,

and this is a sickness that is currently in MAGA media. Nobody is ever able who is quote unquote pro-Trump or who is not a leftist to just say basic critiques about the Trump administration. And so there is also a huge appetite for people who are critical of Trump, not even just say from the right, but who are not leftists.

That's what a lot of people who voted for Trump and who disagree with what they say want to hear. That is the vacuum through which Mr. Fuentes has been able to resuscitate much of his image. Let's all remember where Nick Fuentes was before October 7th. He was working on the Kanye campaign doing screens about, you know, whatever, black IQ or whatever on his show, okay?

That's where he was. And yes, he was canceled to within an inch of his life. He was off Twitter, Elon unbanned him. There's a perfect circumstance that led to October 7th and the re-rise, let's say, on Twitter. But though, this is what drives me crazy

about the whole thing. They act like it came out of a vacuum. It is a creation of the unending cancellation rhetoric from the Zionist right that has now pervaded all of politics for the last two years, which has pushed people to the point

where any criticism of the state of Israel is conflated with antisemitism. The definition itself no longer means almost anything to anyone and they don't want to hear it anymore. And then finally, this kind of gets to the whole rhetoric thing.

I saw this from Dave Smith. How can I be lectured about racial politics and divisive language after watching these people cheer on the deaths of starving children over the last two, you're gonna lecture me about morality and about race politics when you support

an explicitly racially aligned state in the Middle East and you create your whole identity around this? You have no moral authority over me to lecture me about how my country should act in relation to this other.

That is the vacuum through which this has all been created. And there's so many, I know so many young people, they're not leftists. And yes, even with Israel, they're not, you know, genocide posters or keffiyeh wearers at protests. They're just disgusted this is being done, both in our name and that we're paying for it and of the obsession of foreign politicians, well, they have an inability

to succeed financially in this country. That's the entire thing that is about it. So that's the schism. Charlie Kirk was doing his best, by the way, to try to maintain this, and his loss, really what has erupted, I think,

with this shows how, frankly, valuable he was to the state of Israel, I think in his ability to try and to square the circle. But this conflict was inevitable because of the situation that they created. And so, I don't know, I just, I can't stand like so many of this Randy, I mean, think about the things Randy finds.

Randy Fines said he wants to nuke Gaza. You're going to lecture me about morality?

He called for them all to be starved.

He called for them to be starved. And you're going to lecture me about Hitlerism and about racism and morality, police? It's like, fuck you, you know? Well. And that is, you know?

And this is a long way before, because this is what I want to make sure. I'm not saying I'm no fan of Mr. Fuente, who probably thinks I should be denaturalized and deported, and that my interracial marriage is horrible, right? But I can also sociologically understand why so many people would find that type of rhetoric

very convincing and entertaining, frankly. Who else? I mean, me, a few others who can criticize Trump. There's not very many of us out there who can say it legitimately. And there's a massive appetite for it.

Look at Theo, look at Andrew Schultz, look at Tim Dillon. You know, all of these guys who were Trump-curious and are now very critical, there's a massive audience for it. And then finally, people are blaming Fuentes, Tucker, and others. That is not why kids in MAGA hats at Ole Miss are showing up to TPUSA events asking about

Israel. It's not. You can convince yourself all day long that that's the case. You could literally de-platform Fuentes and that he would never have a platform ever again. Those kids would still be showing up there. You have a reality problem in this entire thing.

And this is an unsquareable circle right now in the current, in current politics. It just does not, it's not capable, frankly, of being squared with the current Republican Party elites, which are in power.

I mean, I think the cat is out of the bag. And in terms of, you know, your assertion that these young guys would still be showing up and asking questions about Israel, whatever. But I also think a lot of those guys are Fuentes fans and they are Grobers. And he is incredibly influential among young Republicans and young Republican men specifically.

I think the point that you're making is that effectively Republican elites have lost the moral standing to gatekeep in any way. So even when it comes to a literal Nazi, which Nick Fuentes is, I mean, he is a Holocaust denier. He does love Hitler, like, you know, backing Kanye as he's, I love Hitler, all that, right?

He is those things. And yet because, number one, they have, the elites of the party have supported an outright genocide that's happening in our timelines. Number two, because they've tried to conflate any criticism whatsoever of our foreign policy vis-a-vis Israel as anti-semitism. They have lost any moral standing to gatekeep and say this is the bounds of acceptable discourse within the Republican Party. I think that's a problem because I actually do think that

you should keep Nazis out of your coalition. I actually do think that that should be a line that you can draw. And obviously, like, they have completely failed through their abuse of the term anti-Semitism to maintain any sort of moral legitimacy. And not just through the use of the term, but also through their own actions. I mean, you point to Randy Fine, you can look at what this administration is doing. You have lost any ability to tell people this is where the line

is and this is what is acceptable. And I think it's a real problem because, you know, that Tucker Fuentes interview, first of all, Tucker, before he interviewed Nick, was going very hard in the paint, saying he's a gay loser who lives in his mom's basement. Then when they're face to face, very patty cakes. You know, I would just explain to me in your own words, not bringing up any of the specific things that he said

for him to have to grapple with. And Fuentes realizes he's got this opening, because guess what? If your narrative of the world is like, the Jews are the problem for everything, you know, the fact that the state of Israel

and their defenders have gone done their damnedest to conflate every Jew in the world Yes with their genocidal actions is doing half of the propaganda battle for Nick Fuentes They are doing that so and you can say I agree I agree that Israel is equivalent to the Jews and just look at what they're doing and look at how our politicians are acting. So through our complicity in this genocide and through our pushing of the propaganda that yes, every Jew has to be conflated with the horrors that are being done in their name, that also helped to solidify the opening for Nick Fuentes.

And here's the other dynamic in politics. Like, Tucker, well, you know, Tucker, especially when he was on Fox, I don't know how much he does it now, but especially when he was on Fox, he talked all about the Great Replacement Theory, saying replacement, replacement,

replace, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He does enough to give himself plausible deniability because the grander part of that conspiracy is that it is Jews leading the Great Replacement Theory the great replacement theory to replace whites. He did not say that. No, Sagar, let me finish my point. He doesn't say that part, right? He uses, you know, he keeps it on the like,

oh, it's a political project of the elites. Maybe he says like the global elites, but he maintains this plausible deniability. Guess what? The person who actually comes in and says the fricking thing and that's Nick Fuentes, who says it's the Jews who are coming in to replace the white people, the person who actually says the thing out loud, they are going to

be the ones who win that rhetorical debate. This is what Trump seized on in 2015, 2016 with his rise. The things that Fox News would dog whistle and hint at, he would come out and say. So that's the dynamic that's going on right now with Tucker and Fuentes and Candace. And that's why, you know, I think Hanania and his assertion that like this is the direction of the Republican Party.

I think he's right. Because what, you think Mark Levin is going to be able to pull this back? You feel like who's going to be the person that's going to say, no, this is too far.

We don't want to be an actual Nazi party. Let's talk about why I think that Hanania is right in a sense. I think what he's right in a sense is that the Republican Party establishment doesn't have legitimacy for a significant portion of young people. Not everyone are a bunch of leftists. Many of us have like very, I mean, you know, even the framing, frankly, about immigration that you just gave. Like there is a legitimate case to be made about immigration apportionment and the census. That's not a grand Jewish conspiracy. It's reality in terms of the way that the demographic change of our population happened under the Biden administration.

We've had endless arguments about that, but there's a non-racial case, which I believe most people who voted for Trump on immigration actually do believe whenever they want to control of our border and particularly to want to know that

and think that that's an insane system. Now, however, what has happened is that under the Trump administration, with their flagrant, basically, conflation of Jewish identity with the state of Israel, which, by the way, Trump says himself all the time.

It'd be like, oh, these Jews don't even support me even though I'm so pro-Israel. It's like, pro what? Maybe there's more to them than just Israel support. But also, the Israel supporters do it themselves. Jon Putt-Harris, who is from, the Nepo baby commentary writer, literally tweeted that Trump can say Shylock all he wants

because he bombed Iran. So Trump can say the word Shylock, which according to him is a anti-Jewish slur, because he did a foreign policy action which is beneficial to the state of Israel. So you're the ones who created this reality.

So to the extent then that the whole Republican Party is going in this direction. Again, why is that? Because young people, particularly a lot of young men, are deeply angry at the state of the country. They feel as if they cannot advance.

The reason that they cannot advance is because of a bipartisan establishment elite. They also do not feel that they will ever be able to make enough money to support themselves and get married, even though they want to. A lot of these guys desperately want to get married.

Many of them, by the way, let's even look at the entire phenomenon of spending all your time online getting into racial politics. That is loser behavior. And it is downstream

of gaming, pornography, marijuana, spending all your time by yourself. Why do you think I rage against all this stuff? Because it creates these maladjusted, so anti-social freaks who, by the way, in all of society, when you have underemployed,

angry young men, what direction does politics go? This is not to excuse it. This is simply to show you where things are headed. This is why I rail against degenerate, libertine society, because I understand the consequences of it, and we've seen it dramatically throughout history.

And then finally, to like the conservative point about why did Kevin Roberts, why is TPUSA having these issues? Why, because it's a bottom-up phenomenon. I can't tell you from my criticism of the state of Israel and more,

I get more private support than probably on any other issue. I agree with you, I agree with, but they can't say it because their jobs depend on it. That's not an anti-Jewish conspiracy. That's reality, is that even if you are an econ staffer at a conservative think tank,

if you have a dissident view of Israel, you're dead, okay? You're not getting a job. You're not gonna get a job in the Trump administration. You're never gonna work again in this town. That's a reality they created. That's not an anti-Semitic point.

That's just simply, again, a statement of fact. And that is slowly bubbling up. And then let's take Tucker on top of all of this. Tucker, who is the most, in my opinion, influential, I mean, look, actually just go look at the download charts, number one conservative podcast in the entire country, far outpaces everyone else. In the conversation with Fuentes,

I personally would have liked to have seen more critical, I'll say it, and Tucker is a great friend and I hope to be back on again. I wish he had been a little bit more critical of him in terms of, because I know he can do it. Look at the Ted Cruz stuff, right? He's a master interviewer.

He's a phenomenally talented person.

If he wants to.

The thing that comes down to it is that the friend-enemy distinction is becoming much more difficult because you have to also consider that they have tried to destroy his own life. They have literally, with Tucker, I mean there was recently this Daily Mail piece where they said Tucker Carlson quote, needs to be neutralized, okay?

That's the type of rhetoric that is now coming from the more Zionist right wing. They're calling him Hitler Youth. They're saying like, the most dangerous anti-Semite in the country. Genuinely, like an all out campaign

to destroy his business, to destroy his personal life, to destroy anybody who's associated with him, that mentally, I'm saying, because I suffer from this too, for me, man, it is like whenever they want me to cancel somebody else, especially for the whole Israel thing, I have a lot of difficulty with it. I really do, because of the level of vitriol,

you know, that I have gotten. I can't even criticize the Barry Weiss deal without being bombarded with you're a Jew hater, right? As if I care that Barry Weiss is Jewish, that it has anything to do with, no, it's only about Israel.

I don't care about any of that. And so I'm saying from my own personal experience, the level of personal vitriol that you get as somebody who is in any way more on the right wing end of the spectrum, critical of Israel, I think it might be 10 times worse than from the Democratic side. Like the level of money, the amount of personal just nastiness that comes away, times me by 100, and that's where Tucker Carlson is currently sitting.

This is why it is just like these people deserve everything that's coming to them. They created this reality, and then there's also politics on top of this, which is somebody who tries to run on the mantle of Trump, again, in 2028, and who especially wants to win back these young people, I think this is a non-starter.

I really do. Because the Israel question, if you cannot answer independently and honestly, you can still be pro-Israel, but you have to be able to admit certain things, like that kid said, ethnic cleansing. If you can't say those types of words,

and you just, you know, little Washington platitudes, that is a message that you are either controlled, part of the system, and we can't have that anymore when we're young, not when my health insurance is going up by 20%, and I'm 99% sure that if you get elected and you talk that way, that you're gonna be shipping bombs there and there's not a dollar coming my way or anybody else.

That's why it's not just about Israel, it's about control. The Democrats are figuring this out right now and I think the Republicans, you know, they're in for a rude awakening. And if you don't give an inch,

then yes, Fuentes will be more popular than ever. It's not an inevitability. That's the irony of it. I just said, pre-October 7th, you're working for Kanye. You're doing nothing, all right? But the reality of Israel criticism being slowly pushed out, how else do you think Myron Gaines and Nick Fuentes and Dan Bilzerian, I mean, Bilzerian, nobody even heard of the guy

for five, six years before that. He was selling vapes with girls in bikinis. Now he's literally doing nothing, playing poker, I guess, whatever it is he does. Now all of a sudden Israel, right, comes out of nowhere. This was the back, the niche that they were able to fill because of the reality that they created.

And then for many people who are not racist, anti-Semitic or anything, for many of us, I mean the personal vitriol smear campaign, and as you and I know privately, public or private campaign as well, in terms of what has been used against us,

it's one of those where, you know, I talked about this in my interview with Tucker, you have to fight every day not to become the thing that they want you to be. They want you to hate Jews. They want you to fulfill their conspiracy.

They want me to give a diatribe about global Jewry or anything. And I'm not going to do it. You know, I don't believe it. I think it's ridiculous. But they want us to become the mirror image

of what they are. Well, because it proves their point. And this point Ryan's made, which I think is true and also is something that has been true since the foundation of the state of Israel. The state of Israel and the government benefits from a rise in genuine anti-Semitism because then they're propaganda, we have to have a safe space for Jews. Like that has more credibility. If you see, you know, Myron Gaines, when the, like, Nazi posting or, I guess, internal

group chat of the quote-unquote young Republicans came out, he was like, we're done with this. Yeah, we like Hitler now. We're going to say it. Like, that's who we're talking about. I mean, just so you guys know, we like Hitler, we support him, talk about the global Jewry, like, you know, really like go full out with the Great Replacement

Theory, is led by Jews. I mean, all in the most anti-Semitic shit you could possibly imagine. That's what we're talking about here. And so, yeah, I mean, on the Democratic side, you've had effectively the Israelis have kind of like given up on Democrats. You know, the base of the Democratic Party is 90% against Israel at this point, 80% say

it's a genocide. Like, there's a huge disconnect between the leadership, the elite electeds of the Democratic Party and the base. That is being sorted out right now as we speak, and the writing is on the wall. The part of the reason why in the Republican side it's so incredibly fierce and contested right now is number one, because Trump's in power, so he's the one who's actually doing

the stuff. But number two, because you do still have a majority of Republicans who are very Israel supportive. If you are over the age of, let's say, 40 in the Republican Party, you still have that very, like, they're our ally, sort of Cold War mentality, we're with them no matter what, you buy the propaganda,

you probably haven't really thought about it all that much, right? It just, yes, we support Israel, period, end of story. And certainly the, you know, the elites in the Republican Party are almost all lockstep on board with Israel no matter what. And like when the Democratic Party, a lot of the donors are very committed to Israel and that's

their view as well. So that's why this is, I think, so hot and fiercely contested within the Republican Party right now is because you do have, even among the base, you have a genuine divide where still the majority is very pro-Israel. It's very generational, but the majority is still very pro-Israel. So that reckoning is going to take a long time to come.

And it is all generational. And I mean, let's also just consider like some like they literally support Israel, many of these people for religious reasons. And then they get mad when Tucker was like, I think it's heresy to purport your dispensationalist view of the Bible to say that the political state of Israel

is described there and that's why we must support them, as he showed with Ted Cruz. Why is that an anti-Semitic point? Why is that even an anti-Christian talking point? You're not allowed, Tucker is not allowed to debate Christian questions of theology?

That's the reality, I mean, this is what they're creating. They're doing all of the, you know, the cancel culture, deplatforming discourse from Mark Levin and others. They are no different, you know, than any of the woke left was on the issue of race at the height of 2020. And that's also, I think that's another thing that really gets a lot of us is,

if you don't religiously care about Israel, you can't help but look at the same tactics by so many of the pro-Israel supporters to the same woke leftists on the issue of race who we despise.

And here we're not talking about trying to cancel Nick Fuentes. We not talking about trying to cancel Nick Fuentes. We're talking about trying to cancel like, you know, Dave Smith. Yes! You know, people who just have like a legitimate critique

of Israel or, you know, yourself or myself or whatever, where it's like, you can't even say these things because I think there's a case for canceling Nick Fuentes. I think there's a case for, like, Like, it actually did work better. When he was deplatformed, he had a lot less power. Now, the moment is different, et cetera. But you know, I do think that there are lines that should be appropriate to draw on society, and maybe being an overt Nazi is one that we could talk about.

It's difficult.

I mean, yeah. But with what your point is, is that they drew the line at you literally cannot, you cannot protest Israel. You can't talk about it at all. If you do, you're Hamas. You know, everybody's Hamas. Everything that is negative about Israel is Hamas, et cetera. And if you're gonna try to draw the line there, then, yeah, people are gonna say,

and again, this is not defending, because, again, we're talking really about personal responsibility. Like, these people are gonna say, your anti-Semitic smear doesn't work, and by the way, you're like actually low-key convincing me of the most extreme position,

the actual hateful position on this issue.

Absolutely, and look, the cancellation thing, like we talked about Charlie Kirk, I mean, everybody does believe in a little bit of cancel culture, and if we're all being honest. I also think comes back to political effectiveness. And I can't just help but point to the pre-October 7th consensus of where things were.

That is the, the reality is different. And that's, again, I just want to bring it back to Dave, who recently had a debate with somebody, and they were like, oh, Nick Fuentes said that. And he was just like, again, what is more damaging to society, to norms,

is edgy, trolling, and in some cases, genuine racism and overt pro-Nazism, or cheering on and politically supporting the slaughter of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people, and using our money and perverting our political system

on that question. It's pretty obvious to me which one that is. This is not a defense. Again, these people hate my guts. They think I'm some, you know, they'll call me a jeet. They'll call me, you know, whatever.

My child, they'll say, is a mongrel. Okay, so fuck them, all right? I have no, you know, political ground or any of that to be made whenever it comes. But you know, the question comes back to- They're also not murdering babies. Bingo, right? And it also comes-

So, yeah, where's your moral high ground?

And unlike them, you know what I think? We still have to live together. We all need to live together in this country. And, you know, to borrow an AOC-type leftist talking point in many respects, I feel bad for you. I pity you. I genuinely think most of the time you are that way because you got dealt a very shit hand in life.

And yes, you have absolute and personal agency for the horrific things that you believe. And yes, on a personal level, if you ever said that to my face, I would probably beat the shit out of you if I could. But at a major sociological view,

I can and do understand how people with views like that, first of all, should be overtly condemned on a personal level, and we should do everything we possibly can to prevent it. And I can understand how with our libertine, disgusting, degenerate society of gambling

and all the other things, that we will create 10 times more of people who hold those types of views,

which is why I go to war with it. Well, my analysis leads to a different layer, which is that you have to deal with the material condition. Like people have to feel like they have a stake in society, like they're gonna be able to succeed, like there's a path. Well, it's not just success,

but some sort of meaning, some sort of purpose, right? Because if you don't have that, then it's gonna, you know, then yeah, you're gonna spend your life, you know, traveling, whatever, using whatever opiate your society has available to you at this moment. And the one thing our society is fantastic at generating right at this moment is high-octane opiates

to all of us, you know, to get addicted to and colonize our minds and distract us and preoccupy us so we can get our minds off the fact for a lot of individuals that life looks very bleak. If you don't deal with that, then you are going to have ugly, hateful politics. And that's what we're seeing right now. And so especially if you have young people who come from

middle-class upbringings, who, you know, were sold the, you go to college and do the thing and take on all the debt, and you're going to be able to get a good job, and then, oh, whoops, we created some AI and there are no jobs anymore. Like, how do you think this is going to go. So, you know, you have to, on the one hand, like, abhor, certainly the influencers, the Nick Fuenteses of the world who actually have power. You have to abhor that. And I

do think that, you know, I am more open to some, like, level of gatekeeping when it comes to, and cancellation when it comes to overt Nazis. But I also understand you're not going

to cancel your way out of this problem. You're not going to cancel your way out of this problem. That's see, that's why when people say cancellation, I'm like, listen, you know what? You literally here have an Indian guy trying to make the case here for why that's not going to solve your issue. Why are we here? You can't ignore that. We have to live in this heterogeneous,

multicultural society which was created. We have a lot of differing views about how to get there, but we have to live together. You can't actually cancel your way out of it. It's impossible. If we could have, it would have worked. Seriously, it absolutely would have worked.

I will maintain, though, that when Fuentes was canceled, he had a lot less power. And I do think, look, he's funny, he's talented, he has a hold on, he has a hold on he has power I mean that's part of why you see so many right now on the right Like, you know having him on and having a little patty-cake. So they're afraid because he has a He not only has a significant audience, but he has a lot of clout and sway with that audience

And so if you're in the camp that has been Israel critical You likely share a lot of fans with Nick Fuentes and you're a little nervous. I mean, these are the incentives and people can talk themselves into a lot of things, but your incentive is let me be a little kid gloves here.

Let me not piss off my own fan base. Let me, you know, let me not look like I'm some like loser woke, scold, cuck, cringe, whatever. And so, you know, that's part of what's going on here too. And Fuentes realizes he has this moment and he's trying to moderate, you know, with Tucker. He was, oh no, I don't hate anybody, blah, blah, blah.

It's like, which is why you have to go back. Okay, well, why did you say this about you? Why did you say this about black people? should all be locked up, right? So he's trying to mainstream himself right now and it's working. It's working.

To the extent of the influencer point, you're definitely correct.

Yeah.

But I actually really think a lot of this is friend enemy. I think that's what it mostly is about. But you know, I mean, this is something you all have to be careful of is you all fall, you know, of my enemy is my friend. That's just not always the case, okay? Sometimes you have to have a lot of personal agency to make sure you don't go down that hole.

And that's why, on a personal level, I really detest a lot of these people, and they've said some horrible, horrible things about me. But I can see it, literally, like me personally, but also anybody who is Indian American. But the point I always come back to is I'm like, okay, this is really bad,

and we need to make sure that this doesn't become like a bigger thing. Now, how do we make sure that that's become a bigger thing? Well, we take a look at why anybody would potentially even be influenced by this in the first place, because you can't cancel your way out of this,

especially now, it's out in the open. The gatekeeping shit, it doesn't work anymore. We literally live in the age of the printing press where anybody with a voice and a megaphone can get a voice at any time. Yes, perhaps there's some downsides to that,

but there's a lot of benefits to it as well. And to the whole original point around free speech and you're talking about material conditions, I don't think that it's all that ultimately difficult to make sure that things don't go down this dark direction. You just have to have democratic legitimacy

with the people.

That's true.

That is why there is so much despondency. When we think back to the early days of fascism in the 1930s and with Mussolini. You have to understand that the Weimar Republic was doing okay prior to the Great Depression. And it was a multifactorial decision,

ultimately to pursue the path of Nazism and of fascism in Italy. Most of it came back to the failure of the Treaty of Versailles so a lack of faith in the political elite, the stab in the back theory, that gains legitimacy, a lack of faith in the economic institutions, and a fundamental belief that this previous way of doing business was not a way to solve our problems and make it so that we can have

any sort of legitimate say in our affairs, which is why people went down that road. You can go and read Richard Evans, the Richard Evans series on the Third Reich. It's one of the best series of books I've ever read. And when you read it, you will not justify it, but you will understand.

And I think that that's what more people need to understand. I don't think we're anywhere close to that. But I'm only saying, though, that to demographically try to understand and save your own country, you have to make sure that you don't create the same way that they tried to at that time of, oh, well, they tried to solve it through violence,

or, as you said, cancellation, right? Outlawing literal political parties. They believed that that was a way that you could pursue your own ends. It wasn't true, ultimately. So you have to learn from a lot of those things. You know, finally, I think-

And we have a successful example here.

I was gonna say, I have that Freedom from Fear book right behind me. And the reason I do is because that book is about how FDR saved America from a communist or a fascist revolution. We were going down that road.

I really believe that. In the 30s, we had an actual choice. Or if FDR had died in 1934, like in some sort of alternate history, things would have gone in a very bad direction. But that's a real example, by the way, of how you can solve a lot of, and there were serious similar problems at that time.

What, you think antisemitism's a problem now? Go back to the 1930s. You think racism is a problem now? Listen, man, you have no idea what you're talking about from the rise of the KKK and all that at that time. Not to me, go take a look at any Confederate statue on any battlefield, it'll all say built in 1933.

It's not an accident for why all of that came to be. So yes, study your own history and examples and see how you don't have to go down that direction. Do I have faith that any of our political leaders will go down that or take us out of this? No, I actually don't.

These are the choices that are on the table.

If anything, I don't know, maybe this is like a live narration of our own downfall, maybe this is like a live narration of our own downfall, but there you go.