HABIB JAFAR: INI K3G1L4AN MACAM APA⁉️ YA ALLAH!!! - Onad

Because we know that Onat is a good person, our brother

But is he angry?

To be honest, I don't know

Confused

Shocked

Even crying, my husband If he talks about the mosque, babe If he doesn't want people to disturb the mosque, sleep in the mosque The 10,000 rupiahs won't be taken, babe Right Why is it that in the name of religion, in God's house Masjidnya tidur di masjidnya uang sepuluh ribunya ga diambil betul kenapa justru atas nama agama di rumah Tuhan nyawa manusia dihabisi

Ini kegilaan macam apa

542 one and close the door

Habib Jafar Oh, yeah. I'm October is blessed because there is Habib Umar November is a mess At the beginning it's already a mess

It's a mess

Yes, I mean, I'm not going to to log in to Islam. But don't log out there.

I was working and suddenly I got the news. You're really... I was so surprised.

The point is, if I'm honest, that I know Onat as a very good brother, even a fellow fighter in religious tolerance. That's the side I know about Onat, and the other side I don't know. That's why I was surprised yesterday. And that means what I understand is Onan. So what is ethical and appropriate for the story, in my opinion, is Onan. Because we don't know and it seems un's not ethical if we tell. But the point is, I want to say that

we can't close our hearts to hug the wrong person so that we can go back to the right path. We don't close our hearts to apologize. Just because we love, we will hug so that we can go back to the warm hug. But we can't close our eyes

to the mistakes that people make, that they have to answer for their mistakes, so that it becomes a reflex.

That's why I said, if we just let it be, it's not a waste, but enabling. Letting it be.

Right, because the concern is not educational pity, but enabling. Letting it be. Correct. Because the concern is not educative. Correct. Even normalizing. We don't want to, because the main point, not only me actually, Omded, Onat, and Login in general,

educate people to believe and be on the path of the values of the Lord, whether it's faith, religion, nation, and health. So we don't want the values of education to be destroyed because of what Onat has done. But we also want, because we know Onat is a good person, our brother, yes.

But are you angry, Abe? Uh, frankly, I don't know, I can't detect what happened to me that day. Confused, surprised, even crying, Om Dad.

When Onat got hit I even cried. When you got hit by the grenade, you cried?

Yes, because I was confused.

Because you loved him?

Because I loved him. And I also had the same experience with my other brothers. And now, of course, I can be more aware, more self-control, and more wise. So I believe I can grow more in handling everything. Because of the conditions that were different before and now. Then my adulthood is different from before. Of course, my attitude is different from before and now. But the point is, whoever my brothers are,

who fell, I have to advise him. But then hug him to get up again. In my way and everyone's way is different. Because for me, justice doesn't mean the same. Justice doesn't mean the same. Fair doesn't mean equal. If I buy a shirt for you

and it's the same size as someone younger than me, it's weird.

Yes, that's right. Because everyone asks, when it happens, they ask, how do I log in? How do I log in?

Yes. What's clear is How to log in? How to log in? How to log in? Yes. Obviously, we can't discuss this together, Om Dad. Because if we talk about the signature of log in, there are three of us. I, Ona, and Om Dad are platform choosers. So, we have to discuss it together. But obviously, every mistake has to be accounted for.

How it will be later.

We will see. We will keep on meeting. We still have meetings every day, actually. We still have meetings every day.

What is clear is that we haven't thought about it yet. What we think now is how to give love and affection to Onat in a proportional way so that he can change, grow, and so that he can re-actualize his goodness. Because Login has a huge impact on Onat and Habib. A lot of positive things happened because of that.

And there is Onat in there, actually. But, I think there is this...

If it's Onat, we'll wait for Onat to come back. We'll wait for Onat to come back to talk to him. We'll invite him here later.

Because I think it's more appropriate and correct, and ethical like that. That's why we're here not for the honor thing. This is something that...

I'm shocked reading the news. It's really a lot of things. Where does it start from? I don't know, guys.

I think the news has spread everywhere.

I'm sure. I think the news has spread everywhere, Bip. For sure. For sure. There's... I was also... ...so surprised to read it. And I'm actually not a typical person who is fast... ...to react. And I'm not a typical person who wants to talk about other people.

Bip, you can't do that. But... this is beyond yes, this is against the Islamic concept and this is what makes Islam often looks like a religious scary

and so on because that's what we want to explain as it is not the event, not the person but how does the position of Islam see phenomena like this

because it's scary

scary scary especially if we look at the visuals How does Islam view this phenomenon? Because it's scary. It's scary. Especially if we look at the visual.

Okay, let's see what the visual looks like. Let's see what the visual looks like. What happened is that someone was lying in bed and sleeping in the mosque. This just happened yesterday. And this person was beaten to death in an inhumanely in Sibolga, North Sumatra. Let's see the clip that we have censored a little. Please. Who is the owner? This is the owner, this is the policeman This is the one, he is the one who is in charge

He is the one who is in charge He is the one who is in charge This is the policeman

This is the policeman

He is the one who is in charge He fell down

He fell down He fell down

He fell down Oh my God. Look at the car outside.

This jacket is not his jacket. This is not his jacket? This is his jacket. Blood.

What did he use to kick?

He kicked him directly.

He kicked him directly.

This is the same. This is the same? the the the

the the the

the the and Tamaraya, 21 years old, the perpetrator is ZP, 57 years old, who forbade sleeping. We also, with his four friends, we also don't understand what the actual incident is, until the money, even 10,000, was taken.

That's actually not... That's criminal. Well, this...

Criminality in a holy space, in the name of defending holiness. Full of anomalies.

So,

here's the thing. I'll just give it in a doctrine story about. There are people who want to rest in the mosque I will give the details

because Islam is a teaching that comes from Allah through Prophet Muhammad The first thing Prophet Muhammad not only allowed to rest or sleep in the mosque but the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad it also became a space for the Tunawisma

from the companions of the Prophet Muhammad who are called as Ashabul Sufah So the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad it also combined with Sufah a place to live for people who do not have a place to live. From there, the companions of Imam Abu Hurairah were born.

Then Sayyidina Ali bin Abi Talib, then Abdullah bin Umar and many companions who live not only once a break, not only sleep, but live in the mosque mosque of Prophet Muhammad. Okay. Then, furthermore, Om Den, once, there was an Arab

who suddenly came to the mosque of Prophet Muhammad.

Sorry,

he was a thief in the mosque of Prophet Muhammad.

Yes, I know that.

Then, the companion was angry. He wanted to get angry, but the Prophet stopped him. The Prophet said, Indeed, Islam is an easy religion, so don't make it difficult.

So don't get angry, especially if you get angry at that person because of his actions. Forgive him, clean his mouth, after that teach him about his fault, his attitude, his mouth in the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad even further

the story of Ibn Umar because he lived in the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad when he was a student he was once, several times a dog entered the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad

a dog, yes, a dog

and peed in the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad and bit the dog in the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad and the Prophet Muhammad forbade his companions to harm the dog. The Prophet Muhammad said, remove the dog properly, then clean the dog so that it does not enter our mosque. Even the top,

not only the mosque,

but also other religious houses. And not only the ideal conditions, even the conditions of war, any religious house, from any religion,

cannot be destroyed, and must be a safe space for anyone to enter, whether it's a religious figure or a religious person. So, the mosque is not only a place of faith, but also a safe space for anyone.

Can I interrupt you from the beginning of the story? Does it mean that when someone sleeps in the beginning, the story of the Prophet, it means when someone sleeps or lies down in the mosque, is the law allowed or not?

It should be allowed. It should be allowed. It should be allowed. Actually, it's not allowed, it's not like that, it should not be like that. What does not allow it is when we rest or sleep in the mosque which causes the disturbance of the worship activity in the mosque. And that actually has nothing to do with sleep, right, Om Des?

Whatever the activity, if it disturbs the mosque, it's not allowed. Just like us, disturbing the office, disturbing...

And this is not like that, Bibi. There is no activity at night, if I'm not mistaken, the occurrence of the mosque. But whatever it is, the behavior can't be like that. That's one. The second, I remember the story about the dog that was trapped in the mosque. That's actually, when I forgot how long ago, maybe a year or two years ago,

I remember there was a story, not a story, but there was a news when a dog entered the mosque.

In Indonesia.

Then chased.

Then chased, but finally the dog came out. I mean, the dog didn't even get killed. The dog didn't even get killed. I mean, this is, how is it?

This is sensitive.

And this is like this, Om Dad. The Quran says, who kills a life without a crazy reason, he is like killing all mankind.

And the purpose of the sentence is like killing all mankind. And the purpose of the descent of Islam is one of them is called Makosidu Sharia, the purpose of the descent of Sharia Islam. Have to keep the breath, keep the human soul. Why is it that in the name of religion, in the house of God, the human life is destroyed? What kind of madness is this? And this is the house of Allah, the mosque is the house of Allah.

Allah who taught us, man amanu bi-llah wa li-yawma al-akhir, fa-l-yukrim du'i fahu Who is faithful to Allah and the Last Day, honor his guest. This is Allah's guest,

who wants to rest in Allah's house. We not only do not honor him, but we trample him to death. And that's against Allah's will. This is not your house.

This is Allah's house.

Maybe he didn't build not with their own money Imagine when building a mosque, any small amount of money is accepted We ask a poor person for anything It's open to anyone, even non-Muslims to contribute to the construction of a mosque

But when it becomes a mosque become a closed mosque to many people. And it's strange, Om Dad. The mosque in the time of the Prophet was built by the Prophet. The place is small, simple, but it becomes a large and mega space. The place is small and simple, but it becomes a large and magnificent space. The place is small and simple, but it becomes a space. There is not only a space for worship,

which is the attribute of Mahdoh, prayer and so on, but a space for discussion with the Christian Najran. A safe space for war prisoners. There is a war prisoner, an enemy of Islam, not only non-Muslim, but also an enemy of Islam, who fought against Muslims. He was detained there, then treated well there. And the mosque became a public space, a place of preaching.

Because this mosque is the pride of Islam, a museum of Islam. If you want to hear about Islam, read the Qur'an, read the hadith of the Prophet. But if you want to see and feel the picture, the impression of Islam, come to the mosque. So the mosque is an Islamic museum. Which is factual, what is the fact? They come to the mosque. So, the mosque is an Islamic museum. It's factual. What is the fact?

So, the enemy of Islam is kept in the mosque so that they can hear the Al-Quran. To feel the good impression of Islam. So that the mosque becomes a place of preaching. So that they can enter Islam. They enter Islam because they feel the good impression of Islam. He entered Islam because he felt the beauty and goodness of Islam. This will endanger

the image of Islam because the mosque is an Islamic museum. And the mosque in the time of the Prophet was not only a place of worship, but also a center of worship. there is no such diversity in the mosque of the Prophet Muhammad. From there, it became a large space, a place of teaching, a place of discussion, a place to live. And the values ​​that are there are great. Morality that is old against the enemy of Islam, morality that is old against animals such as dogs and others. Mosques, mosques, some of them are now, especially this event,

often mega in terms of buildings, wide in terms of space, but narrow in terms of space and bad in terms of morals. Even if now if now by the scholars, Omlet it is expanded, for example charging the cellphone in the mosque

that's what Dr. Al-Fawzad said, it's okay because it doesn't reduce the power so it doesn't blame the system of the wakaf from the mosque itself because it doesn't disturb and doesn't take

something big and a lot from the mosque itself. Because it doesn't disturb and doesn't take something big and a lot from the mosque itself.

It's not because he's charging, it's because he's dying.

Yes, that's it.

It means that the mosque should be an open space. But if the context is running, I have a few questions, if the context is running, for example, okay, I know this is not like that, the context is for example, discipline, because if not, for example, discipline. Because if not, everyone will be like,

Tuna Wisma is sleeping in the mosque. Can we not ban it?

If the context is discipline, because there are disturbances, then it should be banned. It's the same as this. Can we not bring children to the mosque? Basically, yes.

There is no problem, right? It becomes an education. Even children are allowed to play in the mosque. Because the Prophet once let Saidah Issa watch his little children play in the mosque, play with the swords. Because children's education is through playing. And it should be introduced to the mosque as a playground.

But to make the mosque or make ordinary children play in the mosque is not appreciated.

Yes, it means the behavior, right? a playground. But to make a mosque or to make children play in a mosque is not appreciated. Yes, it means the behavior. If it even bothers. The behavior of the people and our behavior to reject the people, right? Yes. Or if the people cannot be rejected and so on, maybe call the one who is obligated.

I mean, this is outside the country where the majority, we still have a legal country. That's how it is. But if you say it like that, there are still a million young people in the world who are in need of a place to rest, give a pillow, give food for free, they like to upload videos on Instagram.

But if we look at it like this, in my opinion, this is no longer a big question mark when the riot of the prison people Yes, and what I want to talk to Habib is, in my opinion, these people are no longer talking about the mosque

If he talks about the mosque, if he doesn't want people to disturb the mosque, he won't take the 10,000 rupiahs.

That's right.

If he takes the 10,000 rupiahs, it's not a mosque issue anymore. That's right. That's right. It means that this is already a crime that violates religion.

Yes, that's right.

So actually, this is a person person has a problem with his character. Then, to cover up his problem, he covers himself with religion. And that's true, according to the scholars. The easiest way to cover up a crime is by using the label of religion. And this is the most ridiculous, Om Det. We clearly know that this is wrong.

But in another form, it is people who politicize, mosque, then capitalizing, mosque. Some steal the amal box, but there are those who on the mosque. Some steal the amal box, but there are those who corrupt the mosque.

Corruption of the hajj fund.

Hajj fund, corruption of the Qur'an, etc. So, this is a crime that must be punished. The state must be present because of the threat against the Islamic religion Then the threat is against tolerance

Because of the concern People think this is something that is part of the Islamic religion

This news can suddenly come out anywhere Then it is printed that this person is not a Muslim who entered the mosque earlier. So it can be like that.

That's why the law must be enforced and then explained in a religious way so that people finally understand that the mosque is like a mosque for the youth that is friendly to anyone who comes there. Not a mosque that has this incident.

Because it is not a representation of a mosque in Islam.

But, Bip, what does it take? What makes... I mean, what does it take in Indonesian? What makes someone, if I speak outside the mosque, outside the religion, what makes someone can do that to a small thing

that can actually be done in a different way.

Killing people needs effort. And it requires a mental condition that is really, really messy. Because if you're not used to it, killing a cat is difficult. It means there is a problem in his mentality.

So it could be that there is a problem in his mentality. It could be that there is a problem in his economy.

So that later he does not have control over himself. Because in Islam we believe that Qadhal Fakru'an Yaqunaka Fafirun poverty can push us to do acts of infidelity. One of them is stealing, hurting others, etc. It could be because of misunderstanding,

stupidity. It means that he already has a bad stigma about people who enter the mosque.

But this is a group, Bip.

Yes. In the end, he called his friends. This is not a group of people who died, Bip.

This is bringing other friends.

Bringing other friends. It means... It could be... He already has a stigma with this person. Because of one and another thing. Then he calls his friends who are one frequency

to then legally act anarchy to others sourced from hatred for the name of religion in the form of a holy space called a mosque. Or the fourth, yes, arrogance. Which is wrapped in religion. Premonition that's wrapped in religion.

Premanism that's wrapped in religion. That's possible, Om Dad. There are premanism that's wrapped in religion. There are premanism that's wrapped in tribalism. There are premanism that's wrapped in this and that. The point is to legalize the egoism in themselves

But this is like, I don't want to justify it either but this is as if there was a fight for the parking lot of people who were killed I mean, but this happened in the mosque I don't understand about this in the Quran when someone kills another person for a reasons, there must be a law. But when it happens in the mosque,

is the law different, Bip? Yes, like this, we will be taught that when entering the mosque to take off our sandals

as a symbol that you enter a holy place. So all the anasir, not only the unholy, the low ones should be removed, the worldly ones should be left. For example, you cannot talk about business in a mosque. You can talk about the principle of economy.

You cannot talk about the politics of electability in a mosque. But you can talk about the principle of politics. The leader must be honest. That's allowed. When it comes to economy, it must be free of interest.

That's allowed. But, it's not allowed to do business in the mosque.

But,

if you say it like that, there are also many religious leaders, religious leaders who are also playing politics.

Yes, turning it into a mosque. That's why, Maybe this is the most ridiculous, people are being tortured in the mosque until they die. What is not ridiculous and can be even more terrible is the politicization of the mosque, the commercialization of the mosque, which can sacrifice people more. The politicization of the mosque can sacrifice this nation. That's what we should do when we enter the mosque. We will release the urge to do evil things,

all the unholy things, and all the worldly things. But there are many people who make the mosque as an anarchist space. Whether it's political anarchism and so on. This is when we enter a place that we consider the safest in the world. It should be.

If the mosque is no longer a safe space for us, then we have to find a safe place elsewhere. If in God's house there is a human being who is neglected, then where else do we want to go? But is it true that the mosque was also used as a meeting place for the government in the old days? Yes, in the old days the mosque was a center of civilization. Even Allah said, the character of a believer, he glorified the mosque.

Not only in terms of rituals, but also the war strategy was built there. Then the political principles were determined there by Prophet Muhammad. Discussions between religious people and Christian Church are held there. It means that tolerance is fought there. Then the war is detained there. Why is it detained there?

So that there is no arrogance. Because at least you are ashamed of the holy place for the unholy pushes if you have to take them out. At least, the mosque is a safe space, not only for the prisoners, but also for the guests, so that it doesn't update the arrogance, because you respect the mosque at least.

What if it becomes a tourist attraction?

It's okay. If it becomes a tourist attraction, it means a religious attraction, for people to heal, because mental problems can be a threat to the human soul. But, Om Dad, the principle is, don't disturb the worship, don't make the mosque ugly.

For example, a bantai. Bante. The one who is delusional, he goes to the mosque and sleeps with his Bante clothes on. It's not a problem.

Bante, not only going to the mosque, but also going to Islam.

No, because as far as I know, Bante, if he goes to Jakarta, he doesn't have to go to the mosque.

Bante is...

He sleeps at the Prophet's house. Bante likes don't have to go to the mosque. Bantey is really... He sleeps in the house of the Habib.

Bantey really likes to stay in the mosque. In the Pondok Pesantren mosque.

That's right.

Even in the Pondok Pesantren mosque, all positive activities are there. For example, in Pondok Pondok, the library is in the mosque. The study room is in the mosque, the study room, and some of the santri are also in the mosque. So all positive activities are born from the mosque to ensure that all our positive activities

are not only positive in the context of the world, but also positive in the context of the hereafter. It means it is a worship. Even we are encouraged by Prophet Muhammad to make all places become a mosque by making all our activities as a worship. Okay, it means that if we talk like that,

that this is back and forth, oknum, right?

Yes, it means this, if possible, this office is made like a mosque. It means that the work is intended as worship. So it is sacred. So you are definitely professional. Because the one you chase, the one you worry about, is not only salary but also fortune that makes you professional.

Not only afraid of being seen by you, but he is aware that God sees him. So it should be all places in the mosque this is the opposite mosque is made a persecution room so the paradox is there

we have heard the news that the one who did this what is he doing in the mosque

no no no

not offended I mean this person is sleeping right who, this person is sleeping, right? Who is this person? The one who is... Who is the one who is depressed? He said it's his brother. A family around there. A family around there?

What is he doing at night to the mosque?

Who knows? Maybe he just wants to lie down and sleep. We don't know who this is. This is not a joke. This is not a joke. This is not a joke. night to the mosque. Who knows, maybe he just wants to sleep. We don't know who this is, Bip.

This is not Marbot, right?

Yes. Sometimes it's like that, Om Bip. We often become people who judge sins. Do the sins that we like and condemn others who do sins that we don't like.

We don't know what they're doing there.

We don't know. What's clear is that what they're doing is not wrong. What's clearly wrong is that they're doing a very fatal mistake.

Because they say they're offended. They're offended because they're told to go out and they don't want to. that is clearly a misdeed Because it is said that he was offended He was offended because he was told to go out and he refused It's complicated But he can't be offended

People who are allowed to stay in the mosque can't make a prophet offended The source of civilization can be used for other purposes other than a place of worship It's a safe place

I mean, it's a safe place

Yes It's not just a place of faith but a safe place

And I'm sorry, this is not just a mosque

Actually, if we talk about it, the church is like that It should be

Yes, people want to sleep in the church just park sometimes the parking is exchanged

Yes, it should be a house of worship be a museum of civilization, Om Rit. Which is an example for all places, all people, how to build civilization. That's why from the beginning, the Stiglal Mosque was built by a non-Muslim architect and accompanied by a cathedral. Then a tolerance building was built there.

That's to build awareness that from a house of worship, civilization should be built. But if the house of worship is actually a place of persecution, the house of worship should be a place of preaching. But this is a place of provocation, a place of arrogance. People should go to the place of worship to get an impression of their religion, not just

to hear the message. But this is... They say the religion is peaceful. But why is it being watched at their home of worship? It's a sin. We have been faced with many religious people who have defamed their religion,

but they do things that are not religious. Now they are being spread out again, becoming their home of worship, where actions are taking place that are not only not in line with religious values, but are contradictory and terrifying from a religious perspective.

It's terrifying to see the video like that.

I can't imagine what it is.

That's it. And what worries us as Muslims, we know that the mosque in the time of the Prophet was not like that. But from the perspective of people who don't understand Islam, we know that the mosque in the time of the Prophet was not like that. But if the perspective of people who do not understand Islam, Yes, just talk about it. Yes, like that if it's provocative, if it's nothing sincere, Om Dad.

It could be like the question earlier, Om Dad, it appears. Is it really not allowed to sleep in the mosque?

Because I don't understand.

Yes, and it's not minimal, it's not allowed. Because they don't understand. And they can't be minimal. And the form of affirmation, the inability, is to such an extent. It can happen if people view Islam as a religion that is horrible, with wars that happened in the Middle East. It can happen, and then get justification.

This is back and forth again. We made an event for Log doing this for 3 years. I remember the times when people said that the infidel is horrible. Until now, people just think it's fun. But with this kind of thing, it can be justified.

That's the importance of us being attached to this podcast. To give understanding, so that there is no misunderstanding. And the importance of the present country through strict legal enforcement. Because this can create tolerance, create religious values. not only normalize, but also spiritualize the values of criminality.

But in my opinion, I'm sure that for you,

I think this perpetrator has nothing to do with the religion. Actually, it's either criminality or he has a problem with this person and then he waits for the right time to execute him so he doesn't look wrong. There is a defense, at least there is a misunderstanding. It doesn't just look like a crime, but it's like cleaning the cleaned by people who want to deny it.

But, you know what I'm worried about? I mean, the mosque is a holy place. Can you imagine, if people who worship there, this will become history in that mosque. Is that right? This will become history.

This is a mosque that was killed by someone who slept here.

That will become a strange story, right, Om Dede? That someone was killed in a mosque because of the name of the mosque. Because he was not allowed to be in the mosque. of the mosque's name because of the mosque's name because he was not allowed to be in the mosque he was on his rest and Om Dad, I mean

maybe this is because he died and the news was big

maybe

this is because he was physically persecuted so then the news was big I think if he didn't die, it's not a news. Right. What we want from this conversation is to give the lesson that the mosque should be a large space. Not only for Muslims, for non-Muslims, even for humans, besides humans, that is also a lesson that the mosque should be a safe space, a place of faith, a place of worship, not a place of worship.

Even, the mosque should be a place of worship, a comfortable space for anyone to rest there. So, this is actually a lesson about the way of managing the mosque. Which now still people are angry at the mosque. There are many phenomena

where a small child is angry because he plays in the mosque. Finally, a small child's trauma is not only by the mosque, but also by their religion. Then, there are many cases

where the mosque is not regulated according to the values of Islam. So, don't be mistaken if later the mosque becomes a place that is only visited for rituals. When it is only visited for prayer and the visitor is few, we complain. Why is the mosque like that? Whereas indirectly, what shapes this impression is ourselves.

But, sorry, is it okay for people to hang out in the mosque?

Yes, it should be. The mosque, if it is hanging The mosque is a positive thing. And positive doesn't mean you have to talk about Islam. No, you should talk about science and technology. Even if you just hang out in the mosque. Can I read a book while I'm in the mosque?

Not only that. Hang out in the mosque so that the conversation is not negative. To distance us from evil. That what we should be encouraged to do

We should be with the young people Yes, that's right In the end, we can take a rest in the mosque

There's no reason for that Because everything can become a worship

Sleeping can become a worship

If we run away from evil So in the end, we are afraid that people think that the mosque is just a place of worship and The point I want to bring is that it's okay for people to insult other people in the mosque until they die. That's clearly wrong. But there are mistakes that we consider minor in the mosque. About people who are insulted in the mosque by children. Then in a non-Muslim mosque, they were ridiculed. I even saw on TikTok

that there was a person who wanted to enter Islam, then entered the mosque, then got caught by the ladies, the ladies' tone was ridiculed. Is it true that you want to enter Islam?

It doesn't happen, it can't happen.

Finally, the impression of Islam became negative. Because he might want to enter Islam because of the values of Islam. But when he sees people like that, he can be misunderstood by Islam. Why is Islam like this?

Moreover, it is human if people are triggered by the impression of Islam from a problematic Muslim.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

If you say it like that, it's true.

That's why if this is clear, it's wrong. But what we want to criticize is that the majority of mosques in Indonesia is still not in line with the standard of mosques that is expected by Islam.

For example, one of them was a kid playing.

If you don't pray, it's locked, it's closed. The mosque should be made to be a place of worship for education,

for social activities, for cultural activities, and for art. But if the reason is to pollute it, then it's not clean.

That's the function of a mosque. Not many, Wip. Yes, because of that, in my opinion, what should be thought of before infrastructure is the superstructure. What should be built first, the room, not the place. We often think about mosques, which is thought of as infrastructure. How grand in terms of space, but the luxury of the room, the marble. Now there are a lot of mosque marble that he economically weak

And that is not thought of, even though the mosque is grand Old And he often does not get appreciation for all the positive things he does But immediately criticized, even persecuted, for doing a single mistake. There was Marbot, who for decades, never appreciated the call to prayer, and not even a lot of people came to him to fulfill the call to prayer

for the congregation in the mosque. But just for one mistake, he was dismissed.

He was dismissed.

He was like, sir, how come? Why is the call to prayer wrong? I'm I think this is our responsibility. That's why we made this podcast. Because I feel this is also my responsibility. Even... This is bigger than what we are feeling sentimental about One Earth. Because for me, this is a very big problem. Very serious.

Then, I think this is all our responsibility. It's up to us to, very serious. Then, I think it's all far-fetched, it's up to us to decide what to do. We educate, we enforce the law to enforce the law.

What about the mosque itself?

The mosque itself has to... Yesterday, the last event of Habib Umar was to educate how the mosque should be managed as a center of civilization, not just a center of worship.

Does the mosque need security?

It should need security because we enter the mosque without shoes. If you enter the church, you don't have to take off your shoes. And there are always security guards. It should be okay if the mosque has security, right? Yeah, I don't see. I'm not a papa. Can you call me security? Can I have a security? I don't know if he went to education. So, yeah, I can't do it.

I think I'll be missing. I can't get it. You want me on your mind? Yeah, I got the push up. I got that. So, you can't miss it.

You did it. I'll be managed creatively. Because the Quran says, Ut'u ila sabili rabbika bilhikmah. Invite people to goodness, to the mosque. Bilhikmah, in a creative way.

In a wise way. Now, the time has moved. The mosque should become a more spacious space. More creative. To invite young people. Don't let the mosque be a wider space, more creative space to invite young people. Don't let the mosque become a place for the elderly. Now, mosques often become a place for the elderly.

Because of that, I respect young people who manage the mosque creatively.

So it's okay to follow the times?

It's a must. Islam should always be relevant with the times and with the places that keep changing. But actually, in my opinion, there is still one hope. There is still a big hope.

Who is the one we invited who lives in a car? Ja Jago. Ja Jago, he has a minivan. He drives around Indonesia, even around the world. He drives around Indonesia, both with his wife. The minivan is small, so there's a lot of traffic.

And the most scary thing is when he has to stop at night. In areas that are not pleasant to stop. It's not guaranteed safety. And there are two options for him. He stops at the police station. So sometimes he allows the police station. So, sometimes he asked permission from the police.

And the police allowed him to park there. Even in the sun. Or in the mosque. Okay? Or in the mosque.

And now, both of them have their own offices.

And the interesting thing about this Jago problem is that he is non-Muslim and Chinese. And he said that he is the safest in the police station or mosque. Don't tell people like this.

The mosque is not safe anymore. Because what is more worried than the fact is the perception. If the mosque is no longer a safe space, it's terrible. The fact is that it may be a safe space, but if the perception is that it is not a safe space, it is terrible. Because of that, I remember, to a Rom Roman in Palestine, when the mosque was destroyed there because of the attack, he said, if you destroy the mosque, then please pray in our church. The house of worship should be a safe space for everyone, not just one religion, not just different religions,

but very different species for animals. That's it. Nowadays, young people are not interested in mosques because mosques are just activities. Only rituals, no activities that are educational.

But what's the difference if we talk like this, with for example, sorry, certain monks, the monks who are in the monastery, who eventually suddenly do sexual harassment to the monks, the monks, even the monks sometimes.

It's the same, that this is a place that should be should be holy, a place for people to study, etc. Finally, things like that happened. It's not different from this problem.

Yes. Because sometimes, the place is holy, but the people are not holy. Because of that, we have to get used to openly talking about this, openly evaluating this. We as a trainee should also be open to self-criticism like this. Even before people criticize us, we should be open to self-criticism to ourselves. And it's not easy to open up the crimes that happen in our religious circles and ask the law enforcement to enforce the law in our religious circles if there is a problem.

That fear is not as easy to get rid of just by the law in the government That's why I don't understand Why do we think it's something that's scary? While Prophet Muhammad has already declared If my beloved daughter Fatima is a thief, I will cut her hand What we are afraid of is

If the image of Islam becomes bad,

because of evil in the Islamic world, it will be covered.

It should be us first.

Because if it is covered, as soon as the tuppai jumps, one day it will walk too. It doesn't keep jumping. It means we should be the first to know that, Om Dad, there must be an Oknomi. It's everywhere. It's impossible for us to claim zero bullying for schools,

whether it's for the church or for public schools. Zero criminality in mosques or other places of worship. We can't even claim that there is zero evil in us, because humans are at fault or at least at fault. What we can do is zero tolerance for all criminalities. Against bullying in school.

Schools can say zero tolerance, there is no tolerance for bullying in this school. Maybe there is bullying in this school, but we will not tolerate it. Maybe there is criminality in the mosque and in the mosque. But the mosque and the mosque should be committed to the fact that there is no tolerance for

the crime that happens in religious places. Because it should be taken more seriously because it happens in a holy place. From things like that. And if we talk, it's good, Om Ded. Finally, we don't talk about this in a loud voice. And let's talk about our non-Muslim brothers and sisters.

First, they don't sound good. They are also difficult to talk about because they are worried that their tone is too loud and their mood becomes a kind of a burden to us. On the other hand, do you have any tolerance for the perpetrator? all Yes, that's why I'm not really interested in talking about this case. This event.

But you have to talk about it, because if you compare it to people who were confused, they wouldn't say it.

Right. So I'm not interested in this event, because if this is clearly wrong. What I'm interested in is talking about things like this, which in something that looks small, which happened in a mosque. A mosque that has been managed in an unfriendly way, so you can't charge in the mosque. You can't play in the mosque.

Activities that are worshipful but not rituals are not open in the mosque. The mosque is Allah's house that locks us. It's not your house, it's Allah's house. It's not like when you built the mosque, it was open to anyone. You can walk to the mosque.

Once you're done, the road users can't rest there.

Whereas, a safe space, is usually a mosque in people's minds. A comfortable space,

apart from the petrol station, is usually a mosque, when we're on the road.

So it's safe and comfortable.

And we should educate people like that, Om Dad. I mean, it's nice if the person is resting in the mosque, it means that the rest is worth worship. It's nice if the person is a waifu in the mosque, it means that he may access the title, small. If you still access the title using the mosque's wifi, you're a fool.

So the mosque should be as open as that. And Islam is the mercy of nature, mercy to the universe. It should be if people have not felt Islam as a religion, at least not impressed by Islam as a civilization, which is one of the symbols the brand, the museum, is the mosque

because non-Muslim people they don't read the Quran, they don't read the hadith they see they feel Islam from the mosque and like the story of the Prophet's companions who were initially enemies of Islam

finally became one of the Prophet's companions and fighters of Islam because it was influenced by the mosque. If this is the case, it can be that people are far from Islam. And again, I want to highlight,

if this is clearly wrong, what we want to underline, are the mistakes that are considered minor in the mosque, but we have not realized it all this time. We ignore it. We ignore it. And we have not realized it We ignore it

And we think it's normal

We think it's normal Even, the mosque is managed not friendly to people who are equally Muslim but have different opinions

It can be like that

Because of different opinions, the mosque ended up not being friendly. So, mosques often have affiliations with certain ideologies. Now, mosques are comfortable spaces for all religions, and become Islamic mosques. The target is not only Allah. Because I know there are mosques that can cover their clothes or there are certain ideologies

the help is chosen by people with certain ideologies we are even ashamed, Om Ded I recently checked on social media do you know who developed such a beautiful and mobile mosque?

That's definitely non-Muslim.

Japan. Japan is now developing a mobile mosque. A mosque in the form of a bus that is super sophisticated, super comfortable, super safe. So what is it for? For people to pray? For people to pray, but also to places of hell. You can go straight to the mosque there. Then to places that haven't been built a mosque.

Imagine, Japan built a mosque first, not a church. Not the closest house of worship to the people in the country. Even though it's said that the country has the least number of religious people. Yes, that's right. But the tolerance can be like that. Can we say that the mosque that we see now,

with what you said, there are many things that are covered, can it represent that this is the condition of the image of Muslims today? It could be. It could be a representation of Muslims around the mosque.

Because it is also managed by them.

It could be it does not represent but a symbol ofing the Muslim community to the mosque. Or it can be a misunderstanding of the Muslim community about the function of the mosque. It is assumed that the mosque functions as a place for ritual worship. Or a symbol of the egoism of people who are in power in the mosque. Yes, or the worship of people around it. Because the people who run the power in the mosque. Yes. It could be. Yes, or the worship of the people around him.

Because the people who run the mosque are usually retired people. People who... Yes, people who are not accepted socially. So he actualizes himself in the mosque. And finally he made the mosque his ring of existence. So he does things that he doesn't like

in that mosque to anyone who comes to that mosque. Oh, I don't like you because of your ideology. Well, I persecute you in this mosque. I make it difficult for you in this mosque.

This doesn't just happen in Indonesia, right? If it's like this.

Yes.

And, and, wherever it can happen, things like this. And, like this, Om Dad, I mean, persecution doesn't have to be physical, right? It can be verbal.

How many mosques, on Fridays, do sermons? He does persecution verbally. It can even be that he is more terrible than this. If this, he just kills his physical. That's mental and mental. And the one who dies, now we respect him. And maybe he died a martyr.

But there is a mosque that kills the soul of a human being, but not his body. So when he dies one day, people not only don't respect him, but hate him. They don't want to pray for him Because his name, his self-esteem has been killed in the mosque through preaching The mosque even persecuted the name of another person Even as a religious figure

Because it is considered ideologically wrong Bitah, Shiri Even though the religion is the same or different from the religion that can be more horrible than what is happening now that kills the physical if the physical is killed, after that it gets respect

okay, this is not killed physically but the soul is dead and when he dies one day he dies as a person who doesn't get respect from others.

This is what we're talking about, Bip. Login, in my opinion, we've been doing it for 3 years, it's actually starting to work and it's working, Bip. It's working, I mean. Because with the existence of login, many people change their mindset.

Even the government admitted that this is a tolerance. Because now we don't see things like that. But now, lately, what is important is the inside.

True. Problematic. Problematic. And, do we remember, Om Ded?

But, yesterday, there was a was angry yesterday, I said something.

Yes. That's why. Do you remember, Om Ded? We haven't talked like this for a long time. Back then, when I was invited here and talked to you, there were a lot of problems like this. Intolerance cases.

Like...

Dogs being persecuted. Yes. Then... We've been doing this for a long time Because there's no such thing Because there's no such thing The last one was about a Catholic kid being persecuted

But now if we want to discuss it, the case is about the donation Yes

The case

Yes The point is Actually Yes, it means that actually, we often end up like this. A small thing, if it violates the name of religion, it can become something serious and disgusting. So we always want to maintain tolerance, consistency in our religion. So that, no matter how small the action is, it will have a great impact on the religion.

For example, if Om Det does something that is not appropriate, it is not appropriate, it is not appropriate. But if I do something that is not appropriate, it is not appropriate. It's a big no. Well, people persecuted outside the mosque are evil.

It's not appropriate, but persecution in the mosque. And remember, persecution in the mosque is not only physical. It can be verbal through sermons. Through various activities. And it doesn't just happen to people of different religions. It can even be more terrible to people who have different views in one religion.

That's our point of our podcast. We don't want the mosque to be a persecution area. Verbal or non-verbal.

I think we should make an event, but don't lock in yet, Bip.

Restart, Bip.

Restart? Oh, we restart again. I think we restart again. I think it's over-optimistic, if we want to lock them in from the outside, so they have a good understanding of Islam.

I think we should close the line first.

We should restart it first. We should close the line first.

We restart it first, so that when we go to the PKK,

it's really ready. Because if we see that this mess is constantly spinning, there is never an end to it. Later there, later here, later there, later here. So, let's do it inside first. we see that this society is constantly revolving, never ending it's here, it's there, it's here, it's there so, it's inside first

and that's what we're talking about, Om Det for example that we seem to be, to other religions, already finished with tolerance

already finished? I see that it's already, ouch

that there is an act of intolerance but we agree that it is wrong because we are already clear in the level of understanding

We already know that it is wrong and when it happens, people also blame it and don't correct it anymore

Correct, if this is internal, it is more problematic

Yes

And why? Because if outsiders

We often say, yes, he is different from us

But if the inside person

You can't because he is considered a monist

Because you shouldn't be different from me

Because Islam should be like me and the right one

What's different from me

Shirk, bit'ah, susat, kafir and so on

So finally when people say Kafir now, before people thought Kafir was a non-Muslim. People said Kafir was a sect. But now, Kafir can make people believe in Islam. Because you have different opinions, different cooking, you are a Kafir.

And now, the spectrum is getting wider. It's not just about different ideologies, different opinions.

What's the difference?

But different traditions, between the followers and the non-followers. Different traditions between the Habib and the non-Habib. It's getting more complicated in the Muslim community. It's true. I think we need to restart it.

If the login fails, you need to restart.

Yes.

Okay, babe. I hope...

We'll see about the on-net.

What's clear is... We'll pray for it. We'll pray for it. I've been lost since I was lost in the past. I think I'm doing this as a guidance from Allah. So we never create it from ourselves. It just goes on like that.

So I'm sure a good good intention will lead to a good outcome. So, let's talk about it later. And we definitely have to involve Onan. Because he's wrong about the drugs. But he's a good lock-in. So, he's never wrong when he's locked in.

So he has to be involved in this. And...

We're still left.

True.

But we're still left, but we're still beating.

Thank you, Om Nidro. Thank you, Om Nidro. Thank you, Om Nidro.

Okay, thank you very much. Okay. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And close the door.