This is a controversial video. A lot of people were angry at Charlie for talking about this issue, which is kind of odd, but, um, you know, really not that surprising. And, uh, it's been a crazy time. Twitch is getting, uh, very, very, very weird, very fast. Here we go. Vandy seems to be a common tron- trait among morons? Well, of course. Uh, people that are stupid care about optics rather than substance generally. Let's watch it.
Obviously I'm a little greasy. No, I haven't showered yet. So what? Who cares? Have you showered yet? If you did and didn't use cheeky soap then it doesn't count. Cheeky is the best soap in the universe. I know I'm looking disheveled but what are you? The Mighty Morphinin shower Rangers? I also haven't grown any taller I'm still short you wanna make a big deal out of that too point is Yesterday was a pretty crazy day on twitch this this time. I look every day
Most of you notice how every day or so I've been very out of touch when it comes to internet creator drama I haven't been keeping up like I used to but occasionally I can still dip my toes in sporadically to see what's going on And yesterday during stream chat was telling you about two really big things that were happening The first being a live streamed birth on twitch. Oh the second being Hassan Apparently using a shotcaller on his dog on twitch both of these sounded fucking nuts to me So obviously I looked into them and I know the the Hasan Dog stuff is what's blown up the most, but I actually want to
start by blabbering about the live birth, because out of the two of these, this is the one I have the least to say with. The Hasan Dog one, umbyappin'. Let's start with the live birth, because apparently I've got a very hot take with this. The sentiment across the web from what I can tell is people are extremely positive about it, very supportive and think that it was a wonderful thing. I don't necessarily
have that perspective. I'll show you a brief snippet here of what the stream was like with the baby being delivered in front of like allegedly, you know, tens of thousands of viewers and numbers that range from 30,000 to 100,000. I think people calling it 100,000 to 100,000 I think people 100,000 are including all the people that watch oh my god the birth
Wow I want to be clear There we go, there we go. Oh my gosh. Wow.
Now I want to be clear, I'm very happy that everything went well with the delivery here. When it comes to home births, I've heard like horror stories and such about things that can go wrong and then not being able to get immediate care that a hospital offers. Like there's just a lot of things that I've read about that can be like disastrous and I'm super, super relieved that this was not one of those cases. It seems like everything went really smooth, everything went perfectly. A healthy baby was
delivered and I think that is all extraordinary. That being said, I really hate that there has been a complete deterioration of the value of privacy. It seems like people don't- I've gotta say, Fandi's been my friend for eight or nine years, I'm always gonna defend her. So I think that it's great, I'm super happy for her and Brian. You know, I've known her for many years, she lives in the same city as me, so I- You know, I'm gonna have to deviate here, I'm always gonna side with my friends.
You know, that's it. And so, um, but that's that's the way it is What? 100% biased viewpoint. I'm completely biased. I'm totally biased. Absolutely. I am More like there's no such thing as like a special moment anymore if you can't monetize it and publicly display it Something like the birth of your child to me would be something that you would want with your closest family, your soulmate, you know, like this would be something so personal that you wouldn't want just a bunch of strangers peeking in on. And of
course I am NOT her, I am NOT the family. She can do whatever she wants, but I'm giving you my perspective here that to me this seems like a sign of the times where everything needs to be like content brand content oriented there's really no other reason to be live-streaming the delivery of your child other than the obvious attention it's going to bring with it and I don't know to me that just feels so odd and so I hate using this word dystopian. Oh that word is like actual
it's a big one. Fucking like acid leaving my mouth because it's lost so much meaning with how overly it's used but this feels so dystopian to me. I think that's what a lot of people said as I said before I mean I didn't really have a problem with it right it's whatever even if somebody else did it I mean like maybe you could say it's weird but but you know, it's not, I don't know. It's not really that big of a deal to me.
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That part is ridiculous. A baby that might be breastfed here. She actually went out and was breastfeeding the entirety of the Twitch ecosystem here with additional views for those streams that were watching and reacting to her giving birth. I just think that is so fucking sad. That everything has to be content now. Before that baby can even have its first thought or open its eyes,
it's already a piece of content. It's already in the social media chaotic swirl. It's already on camera. And to me, that's just crazy. But to a lot of people it's not which I think is just kind of concerning that we've deteriorated so much that
everything is like expected to be content now I'm a viewer of this I mean bro I really hope that people don't start expecting other people to livestream the birth of their children, that would be, like, I'll tell you that, that would be a bit much right there. That'd be a way, way, way too much. Why shouldn't I be allowed in the delivery room when she gives birth? In fact, that makes a lot of sense for me to be there, actually. I've watched her streams a lot. I don't know. I just don't like
that. Again, I'm very happy that everything went super well here with the actual delivery of the baby and everything seems to be very healthy I think that's great. I just truly Cannot agree with the sentiment that this is somehow like a positive thing because I don't view it that way Like to me, this is very clearly Continent yeah first like two days ago focused and everyone can eat so everyone gets a piece of content to me this is very clearly content first. Like content focused.
And everyone can eat. So everyone gets a piece of content to watch this baby being born. It's, I don't know. I just didn't, I don't really like that idea.
It's somewhat-
It's obvious to me, like, I mean, even though like she's my friend and I'm gonna support her, I can clearly see why people would feel this way. I mean, of course I could see why. But, um, yeah, that that's my viewpoint on it. Reminds me of a joke I told a while ago about a piece of content about how I should deliver a baby. Like how extreme that would be as like a banger video to deliver someone's baby.
It's like, it's like that joke, but unironically here, like it actually happened. Well, of course, not to the level of like some completely unqualified goober like delivering a baby, which is like the act of a child being born into this world immediately becoming a piece of content. I, again, I just don't like that.
Anyway, though, let's move on to the next subject. This is the one that is by far the biggest from yesterday and probably one of just the biggest topics in general which is Hasan and his dog. But it is emblematic. It's actually crazy how much people have popped off about this. It's so strange. No I mean as I said before right I mean it's a friend of mine and you know obviously I'm gonna support my friends right and you know
everybody can do what they want to do and you know everybody can think what they want to think too. I'm not going to tell people what to think etc. But I always do try to support my friends no matter what and you know unless they're really doing something that's awful. So that's really my mindset. Sorry, it's the way it is.
Of all of America's much more consequential violence, okay? It's the same reason as to why America Kaya please just fucking go stop Jesus Christ what are you doing you're being such a baby oh it's just... Got him. You're making her stressed. She just literally is so incredibly spoiled from my mom.
Now for the life of me, I cannot understand what he's even upset about in the first place that he starts like, scolding the dog for. She moved like an inch, like slightly off of that. It's like in a video game, like in Metal Gear Solid, when someone gets like a fucking question mark over their head and they're like, zip into you immediately. It does look like that was. Yeah, he's right.
Doesn't do anything really other than- I think that's a subtext that like people thought it was kind of like an overreaction with him getting like super mad about it. Like yeah, it's kind of true. Yeah definitely. Move slightly and he is noticeably upset. He's upset about that specifically.
Even before this incident earlier in the stream he had already, you know, gotten annoyed at her for moving around prior to this. The absolute worst country on the planet, straight up, bar none. Let me guess, is it Israel? It's gotta be Israel, right?
Israel is a shithole. Kaya, now is not the opportunity for you to... Down. The absolute worst fucking place on the planet, just a horrific...
I think it's pretty clear that the dog moving off of that spot is what's making Hassan annoyed at her. Now I saw he mentioned place training. Place is an actual dog training thing. And the whole idea behind it is designating a spot in a comfortable location for your pet. For a lot of people, I know it's like their office if they work from home.
And Hassan was talking about how that area is her place. And for dog training, place is supposed to be like their happy spot where they are super safe and they feel super secure. And the way training goes with this, at least from everything I know about dog training,
now keep in mind, when we first got Tetra we did do dog training because my grandmother used to live with my parents and Tetra gets very excited to see people, it's the cutest thing in the world, but she loves to jump on people. And my grandma, living at my parents when we'd go to visit or if they came to visit, if Tetra would jump on her it could cause injury.
So we did do dog training in order to learn how to like help with that. We didn't do any like fear training, electro shock, fucking therapy. Like you've got a shock rod.
All right.
Don't you jump? Don't you do it? Thing like that with shock collars or whatever, but place was something that we did learn about. And when it comes to place, you do not want to like, make it something stressful for the animal, at
least in our teachings. It's supposed to be a comforting spot for them, not like a stressful thing where they just go there and fucking like, you know, blue screen in the brain and just sit there idly comatose. And if they don't, they get punched. So he's calling this her place. But when she's moving from the place, he's scolding her. That's not what we were taught you're supposed to do when it comes to place training. That kind of defeats the purpose of it. I don't know why he would be getting so upset at that, like angry.
See, like, I've never really had a dog before, I'm gonna be honest. I never had a dog. We had some cats, this cat wouldn't do like, we tell a place, the place is wherever the cat wants to fucking be. Well, you try to train a cat, cat doesn't do fucking anything. It'd do whatever the hell they want. And so like, I don't know how these cats work at all. I don't know how dogs work either. Like you, I never even tried to figure it out, but like cats are way smaller too.
Yeah, I mean, yeah I mean, I never had a dog before ever and so a lot of this to me like I remember whenever I was hearing about This whole controversy like I guess like a shock collar would have been bad because it's like you're gonna shock the dog I mean like yeah But I never really thought about it if you want me to be honest because I've never even had to. The dog for moving from place that really does kind of defeat the whole purpose of it.
And then in that clip, it seems like he reaches for something like he looks off screen and he extends his arm to something. And then shortly thereafter, the dog yelps in pain and Hassan turns around and calls her a baby. No, tries to reassure the chat that she is spoiled. And then goes on to say that she's spoiled because his mother lets her, you know, have
free roam around the house. Now he and the community are claiming that he didn't use a shot caller or anything, didn't like zap her, you know, fucking Palpatine lightning blast her or anything like that. She got her dewclaw stuck on that spot. And that's what made her yelp in pain. I guess quick dog lore breakdown if you're not familiar with how those creatures function
or anything.
Yeah, their mechanics. The dewclaw is separate from like the paw pad area claws. The dewclaw is a little higher up on the leg. And it's an old trait from back way in yesteryear when dogs needed that extra claw. It is just now an evolutionary leftover. It's not, it's still present, but it's not something that obviously gets utilized by dogs to the same degree it used to. It is a sensitive area. That is true. If you've ever cut your dog's nails or if you've ever...
If that's what happened and why they changed the story to it's a vibration collar? I mean... I... I... I... uh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh know defensive on it like cautious because it is such a tender spot. I have watched this clip like fucking 10 or 15 times now and today I had some friends come in from out of town so obviously I've been out most of the day at the
farm and this was actually a conversational topic it's become so big that it was brought up by them. And every single person and pretty much I have the same thing happen we're like a lot of my real-life friends will text me and they'll be like So I remember this with the game Well, you remember whenever that kid came up and said that he wanted to dedicate the award for Elden Ring being game of the year
To the reformed Jewish rabbi Bill Clinton They were like so yeah, man So like what was that thing with the game awards and Bill Clinton? Did Bill Clinton make a game? I don't think Bill Clinton made Eldon Ring, did he? I'm like no No, he didn't. It was a stupid kid went up there and did that. Oh wow So Bill Clinton was he didn't make he didn't make Eldon Ring? No, he didn't. Oh
Okay, that's crazy. Wow, that was funny. Okay. That was it. Yeah, that we know of. Exactly. I've seen online outside of Hasan and Hasan's community is all saying the same thing. That yes, it looks like the dog does like touch its leg to that spot on the bed.
Ah, not really.
But it doesn't look like it gets caught or anything. So it feels very unlikely that that is what caused the dog to scream in pain. I think there's also like the component that his hand was moving at the exact same time that the dog moved its leg. I think that's the big difference there too. It's not like it's happened with like one thing it's that these these two things happened at the exact same time yeah I think this pretty much I mean this pretty much sums it up right here
guys oh it doesn't even show the emote what the fuck okay never mind yeah well it was the dog all right and uh yeah there we go that's what made kaya that's her name yelp uh-huh it doesn't it doesn't seem to get caught or snagged on anything and dewclaws aren't so sensitive and so tender that even touching them would cause like a a panicked scream or anything yeah sure unless she has an injury there but i don't think asan has mentioned that at least not that I've seen.
So it feels to me very unlikely that that's what caused it, based on everything that we can see. Now, initially even Hasan's community was starting to question, did he just shock Kaya? Yeah. Did he just use a shock collar on stream? And the clip instantly started going viral, and he kind of downplayed it and Shrugged it off as like a bunch of bad actors attacking me for some fucking phony baloney barnacles here, you know Unbelievable is that with everything? I mean to be fair like that's that he usually dismisses every time that if there are people mad at him It's because of Israel if there's other people mad at him. It might also be because of destiny But it's never because of him.
It's all a load of fish paste. And instead of doing what I think most people, like, not even just streamers, just normal people would do, of like, showing, no, look, it's not a shot caller, obviously I didn't shock my dog, he instead just brushes it off, saying, nope, it's not a shot caller. You're stupid for thinking that it is And that's the attitude that his community had as well Like oh you must have psychosis if you think it's a shot caller
Which I think is a little odd because it's the easiest thing we'll see the video and they're gonna draw that conclusion I mean like even if you even if you don would think that. And this is, I think, the big problem that a lot of people have, is that they're never able to look at something from a perspective of another person. So, like, if you can't even figure out why somebody would think something, you can never really understand them. And, really, I think it's easy to understand why, yeah,
like, it's easy to understand why that would happen. ...the world to prove, right? You have all these people saying this shit, it's not true. Well it takes like actually three seconds just to unclip that collar and just show like, hey guys, I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea here, this is not a shot caller. Look here's what it is and then explain it.
I think the reason why he didn't do that is because I mean, like, well, there's there could be two reasons. Okay, the first reason that's the most obvious would be that it was a shock caller. And the second reason or would be because he didn't really think it would be a big deal. I think that assuming that it wasn't a shock caller, if you if you take him at his word, and it was not a shock caller, I think that if he could go back in time, he would have done this. I think he
underestimated how much people would react to this negatively. And he just blew it off as like an you know, just like the LSF controversy of the day, but it turned out to be like a much bigger thing. That's probably what I think happened. Like if I'm thinking the way that he's thinking, right? And assuming that he was not just he didn't just shock it as well, right? Yeah. And there it is. That
makes an estimate of you mean? Oh, no. Does that make sense? Right? I mean, like that, that's really a thing. He is de lulu. I mean, giving him too much credit. Well, I'm not giving him credit. I'm just trying to look at it from different perspectives to see if I can understand, like, what would make sense? Why would it happen? Why did he not do it? Like what, what I want to understand why somebody does something right.
Like, cause that's really the question is like, yeah, it happened, but like, why did it happen and how did it get there? And so that that's really what's more interesting to me. But yes, obviously I think that the simplest answer that a lot of people would go with, you know, the Occam's razor answer, why didn't he show that it wasn't a shot caller? It's because it was.
Sure.
Of course, that's what everybody was saying. Like I feel like even a non-streamer, like a complete normie, average Joe Schmoe, if you went to their house and saw that happen, and were like, hey, did you just shock that dog? They'd be like, oh my God, no, no, no, no. This is a clearly misunderstanding. No, that's not what happened. Like, I feel like most people would be very quick to show you and prove that it's not a shock collar because it's so quick and so easy to do.
And the fact that he doesn't is odd.
Like it is very peculiar.
It makes him look guilty. That's the reason that's what happens. I mean, it does. It makes him look guilty whether he is or not. I mean, you have to acknowledge that it does look that way. It makes it look that way for sure. Absolutely. I love Charlie the fence sitter. I mean, like, I don't think you should expect everybody to immediately adopt your, your
train of thought and like your mindset. I think that if you do that, you're just going to make sure that they will adopt the opposite mindset and the opposite train of thought. Most people don't like being told what to think or how to think or what to believe or anything like that. They just don't want to have that happen. They don't want to be talked to and treated that way. And so really, I mean, I think his analysis of this is very fair. This is extremely fair. Acknowledging an accusation makes you look guilty too? Maybe. But yeah, he's not fence sitting if anything has him on his?
Well, yeah, I mean, I've tried to not be like super judgmental.
Yeah, sure.
I wouldn't you in the moment. Like that's such a natural thing to do, especially for what's easily a slam dunk. Like you have all these people attacking you, you could easily just come out and fucking slam jam thank you ma'am on them by just being like, Nope, it's not a shot caller, look, here you go, the proof is in the pudding, behold! Like it'd be so quick, so simple, and it would be irrefutable. But, that didn't happen yesterday.
Instead, it was kind of brushed off as like, you've gotta be fucking stupid to think that, uh, you know, Hassan would shock his dog on stream and he just kind of propped it up as like, the only people that would believe this are like... I think also like, this is another issue, and this is kind of like a meta-level issue, is that Hassan has gotten away with I think a lot of things that he probably should have gotten at least a suspension for. Like, I don't really want to call for a ban on anybody, but he probably should have taken a couple of days of a vacation for a couple of things that he said, right? I think so, at least, right? And I think that when a person repeatedly doesn't experience consequences for their actions, what ends up happening
is that they don't ever think about how their actions will be perceived by other people because it doesn't matter as much. And I think that's really what happens is that whenever you have people and you see this too with the Ethan Klein lawsuit against like Denims and Casey Tron and those people is that they're so used to never experiencing consequences for any of their bad behavior. They think that because, you know, something is happening in Palestine that it's impossible for them to have a lawsuit filed against them. And I think that that's
why it's important to make sure that you treat people equally and you don't let people kind of just totally turn themselves into a weird version of themselves. And I think that's what happens is that if because you keep getting away with stuff like that, I think that it does allow a person, it's kind of like spoiling somebody, right? Is that they just get more and more indulgent in their own behavior and not listening to other people, etc. And I know that's happened to me personally. And I've seen that happen to a lot of
other people to a spoiled kid never learns exactly. I think they're untouchable. Yes, they think they're untouchable and there's nothing that's ever gonna happen. So I think what happens is that, um, you know, you have somebody that does that a lot and then eventually a big issue happens that they can't just kind of brush off and it ends up being like a massive watershed moment where people are bringing up like 50 other bad things at the same time because all those other 50 other bad things just got ignored as well. And I think that Twitch really, uh, you're describing as Lucifer affecting history. Yeah. I've never heard of that before, but I mean, sure. So that's it.
Let's be real.
Twitch won't take action. I don't think they're going to take action either. I said this yesterday. Add people in the first place or like, you know, grifters, this kind of thing. And I just find that to just be so disingenuous because most people are going to see this and it looks like you shock your dog. Given how annoyed you are with the dog. It does. Even if you didn't, it looks like it.
Yeah.
Right before she yelps out in pain, you roll your eyes, you look at something off screen, you clearly are like, you're reaching off screen, that like, that is very clear. And then the dog yelps while you were still annoyed. and then instead of doing like what I think I feel like most dog owners would do it like I think also like so if this Was the only point on the graph? I think people wouldn't have really cared But there were a few other clips and like especially with like him pulling the like his old dog's tail and like telling he's gonna kill
The dog like which obviously he's not gonna kill the dog but like, you know pulling the dog's tail like whenever you have like multiple clips of the same thing and then you have like multiple clips of the same thing, and then you have like kind of this like, you know, missing link moment that puts all of those clips into context and then makes people see them in a different view. I think that's really what kind of enabled a lot of people to believe in is it wasn't really just this clip. It was like three or four other clips that were
also problematic as well. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's like usually people will not freak out over like one thing. Like I think if there were no other clips, and this was the only time that anything like this had ever happened in any capacity, and he had never, you know, had one of those things where like he was like, you know, like place at the dog or anything like that. Um, I don't think that you would have had as much of a pop-off, right. But when you had all these other, uh, other things, him talking about a
shot collar before, et cetera, I think that's what really kind of got people. Uh, you know, that's what got people to go even farther. Just like a pirate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I actually, that's a great example. So pirate software, this is very similar to the pirate software situation where whenever pirate had the Warcraft drama, that was like only one thing. Then people went back and they said, well, what about whenever you did this thing in Ashes of Creation? What about whenever we think that you faked your run in Animal Well? What about when you faked this other thing or you fake that thing?
And so like, then you start putting all these pieces together. And again, like this big clip acts as a watershed moment where it's the missing link that justifies and connects all these other behaviors that were, you know, like a little bit odd. And then it makes those behaviors seen as bad. And I think that's what really happened.
Does that make sense? Yeah, so as I was huge OSF video for the other videos gone up. Yeah, yeah. Do you guys see kind of where I'm coming from with this? It's you're gonna watch the committee hearing I whenever it happens. Yeah, it's not anytime soon. Do you like is everything all right? Why? Why'd you just yell
up in pain instead of doing that calling her a baby and then Mentioning how spoiled she is about roaming the house like that that doesn't compute if this was her dewclaw getting stuck there and then yelping In pain you would have no idea why she's yelping Why is your first instinct to call her a baby and then mention how spoiled she is about you know your mom letting her roam the response to it just doesn't really seem to make sense if what happened is her dewclaw getting stuck there. I just don't see why he would respond that way like so like aggressive about it. It just doesn't really make sense. Now a bunch of super sleuths were diving in like really analyzing frame by frame. Apparently... Yeah I mean sure right by a solid logic. Yeah, it is and that yeah, of course
I was mentioned that she does have like like if you hit somebody and then asked why they're being such a baby. Yeah, definitely Why do you and Hassan hate each other? I think I've been the only person who was I think that I've probably been the most generous to Hassan with this entire controversy I've been the only like there have been people that have just taken his side categorically right but like that was always going to happen but I've been the most generous
and the most non you know accusatory out of everybody so yes unfairly? Well, I mean, again, like I just, I try to be fair. I try. An air tag on her collar. People also saw like a doohickey underneath the air tag right before the moment where she yelps. Where there's like a green blinking gadget there, a little fucking gizmo. And people were speculating that's probably the shock collar. And now today Hasan went on stream to show the collar and explain what it is that everyone saw.
This is the one that people are talking about. Okay.
This is the one.
Is he going to show the Wonderbox video? This is the one that they saw. It has the capacity to vibrate and that's it.
Yeah. Somebody says you never had a dog. That's like saying someone should know about a race car whenever they've never owned a race car. So you don't know the sign to look at. And that's okay. Yeah, exactly. Right. I mean, like, I can look at something and be like, yeah, this kind of seems bad, right?
But like, I don't have like any real insight into it. Does that
make sense? That's it. Good. There's the air tag. There's the fucking vibrator. It also uses, it also has a flashlight component to it at nighttime. And it also has a tracker on it when she gets lost. If she were to actually get fucking lost. So on stream, he was showing that the unit everyone saw is something that can only vibrate. It can't shock.
It also has like other things like a flashlight and stuff. And then he went on to explain like why he has a vibrator there for the sake of training. Well, actually, it doesn't sound any better. Now, but since this was a day later, obviously, people are going to be wondering, is this is it a different one? Is he
telling the truth? Like you could have swapped it out. You could have changed out the previous model with one that doesn't have shocking capabilities. Yes, there are vibrate only units and there are some that have vibrate and shock, something he also mentions that those kind of things do exist. But since this was so far after the fact, people are always gonna wonder, well, did he just switch it out? Exactly, and again, that's what I said even before he went live yesterday, I said it doesn't matter what he says, people are just gonna say, if he proves it, if he takes the collar off and he showed it, people would say that he swapped it out.
I said it, that's exactly what happened. Just how it is. People on the internet make their opinion immediately. And like, getting somebody to move their opinion away from where it's anchored is really, really hard to do. And this is like, and also like, and you could easily say like, oh yeah, because I don't believe him in this case or whatever. But I think that we also have to
acknowledge that there is a very large component to this where people just make up their mind on things instantly and that's it. So yeah, you're accidentally acting irrationally. Well, I mean, like I don't, you're generally acting is it I don't think you're talking about me or you're talking about in general. This is not proof though. This is a weird, I mean, I
said, you're genuinely acting irrational. What is what about this is irrational. I don't even understand. It doesn't even make sense. No, what I'm saying is that there's, so there are a lot of psychological studies that show that like your first impression of something or your first impression of a person, you would need like, you know, 15 to 20 additional impressions
after that in order to undo the first impression, I think that that's like a psychological reality. Then you also have other components of just like looking at the way that people make decisions logically and knowing the way that people on the internet perceive things. So really, I'm not even talking about this topic. I'm talking about a phenomenon with human behavior and human thought. Most people do not want
to admit that they are wrong categorically. This is not having to do with the, you know, the dog. It doesn't have to do with Hassan. It doesn't have to do with me or Charlie, Donald Trump, Israel, Hamas, you know, China. It doesn't have to do with any one thing. It's an anchoring bias. Once people have their opinion, a lot of people don't like the idea of admitting that they were wrong. It's that simple.
And I think that once you, and that's why it's so important to make sure that's see, and you can see like now it goes back around to what I said at the beginning is that whenever a person never experiences consequences for things that they do, then whenever they actually have something bad happen, they don't know how to handle it properly because they've never actually, they've never effectively leveled up to that point.
You see what I'm saying here? Something else that spawned from this is, it looks like there's tape on it. So when you watch it and you like pay attention to the actual unit, it looks like there is just some black tape on it. It does. And a bunch of people online started to try and find out what brand this is, because I don't know if I missed it and everyone else missed it, but I don't think he mentioned
what model this is, like what brand or what model, anything like that. So people don't know what it is, they're just going to have to like take his word for it that this is a vibrate on the unit. And since there's no visible prongs, you're led to believe that it can't shock or anything. However, there are also like, there's another component to this that's like unique to Hassan is that Hassan lies about people all the time. He lies about people, he misrepresents their positions, he says that they are things that they're not.
He does this constantly. And so what happens really with that is that people stop taking you seriously and they stop looking at you as somebody who is telling the truth. They just don't really believe you. And so there are even people that agree with him, and they might not like the same person, but they don't really view what he's saying about a person as being completely authentic or accurate or fair, if that makes sense, right?
And so what ends up happening again is that if you have a history of lying, people will think that you're a liar.
What?
Wait what?
No way! Shock callers that have detachable prongs. In fact, the shock callers we use on Skillcheck channel when we play Magic the Gathering and make a misplay and we shock ourselves, you can take the prongs off of those. I think that's a pretty standard feature in a lot of shock collars, I think. So like you can just take the prongs off. And when you increase the brightness here, it does seem like there's
definitely tape. I've seen this picture floated around a lot and people believe that they have narrowed it down to a model called the Educator ET400 which seems to match it visually one to one in all aspects except for the bottom side there where on the ET400 there are two prongs there but you can take those prongs off from what I can tell at least online and in the Hassan clip there's a bunch of tape there which potentially would be there to cover up the holes.
I don't really know what else there would be tape there. It looks like tape. It definitely looks like tape. There's really all there is to it. Yeah, it's all there is to it. To be actually fair, the most logical conclusion is to omit
a doubt about Hassan's justification, giving you another that I said that I think it's pretty obvious. That's the case. So yeah, of course, you can really take those prongs that are literally screws. I mean, I've never pulled it all out or whatever. But and then also, like, here's another really good example is that like, whenever Hassan says that the people that were unhappy about this is are being led by a far right like pro is like it's being led by Israel trying to make him look bad. I think that that really damages his credibility because there's going to be a lot of like normal people that are not totally consumed by like this
this type of thinking that will hear that and they're going to be like well what the fuck are you talking about? This is Israel. What do you mean Israel? Like what are you talking about? What does Israel have to do with this at all?
And so like what credibility? Well, like there's always new people that are going to discover your channel and find out what's going on. And you know, like, and there's also a lot of people first times they're really seeing him. And so whenever you're making up bullshit like that and saying things that are just, in my opinion, very much just misrepresentations, I think that people, like a lot of average rational people see that and they're like, oh, that's weird.
Like, what, like this, this, this seems weird. And whenever I think that a person sees that you're lying, they're going to assume that other things that you're doing are also lies For I don't really I don't really get that like it doesn't make a ton of sense But of course, I have no way of knowing 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hassan Shocked Kaya on that stream or anything like that, but that's my mindset on it, too
Seems pretty weird looks suspicious but i can't read minds i i'm not i can't be there in the room you know what i mean based on the old eyeball test the old smell test what you can literally see he is annoyed with kaya he expressed it a couple of times scolded her he rolls his eyes he does reach for something off screen and as he is reaching, it seems like when he finally gets to something, she yelps in pain and then there's no real concern from him and instead talks about why she's
like a spoiled baby. I don't see anything that she could have hurt herself on, it doesn't seem like her dewclaw or anything gets tangled up in the bed. So to me it feels like it is something he did. Even if it's not a full- Yeah, any person that's just watching this is going to immediately come to that conclusion. It's very hard for somebody not to do it. You don't need to read mine. It's the fact that vibration collar means the dog is shock collar trains. You use vibration and shock together, then the vibration is associated with the shock and the dog's mind, and you use it as a threat to stop the dog from doing shit. It's simple Pavlovian conditioning. That's, I mean, you're right.
Everything like everything you said is accurate. Like that's yeah I mean like sure. Full blown shock he didn't get it with like a Dungeons and Dragons lightning bolt or anything like that. If it is a vibrate only unit I feel like he definitely did press the vibrate in that instance there
Seems that way yeah
I see nothing else that would cause that yelp here from everything that we can clearly see Like and if that is the case and that to me that's what it seems like the case is that's super fucked up
She didn't do anything wrong
I don't think there's anything and also like keep in mind at that point that means that he lied because he said that he didn't press anything and like in my opinion this is this is the way that I look at things is that when somebody lies once they're a liar you can't trust anything they're gonna say after that you can hope that they're telling the truth but you can never go into anything with them in good faith. That's it.
I think the warrants him being upset in the first place and to be upset enough to press a like correctional button on that device is so beyond fucked. There was no bad behavior or any kind of correction or punishment needed to be doled out there. All she did was move on the bed slightly, like slightly move off the bed. I think also like this is another issue is that one of the reasons also people get really mad about stuff like this is because when you're told that you know like what you're seeing right in front of you isn't real and
actually it's this totally separate reason that, like, you know, kind of makes sense but, like, not really, and it contradicts what very, very, in your mind, obviously is what you've seen. That then becomes an insult to every single person that you're telling it to. Because when you're gaslighting and you're lying that's I mean gaslighting is like a new like fucking buzzword term but you're effectively lying to somebody and by doing that to them you are insulting their intelligence you're
saying that you are such a retard you're so stupid that this is something that I think that you're gonna believe because you're an idiot you see kind of what I'm saying right it feels like you're stupid yeah so it feels like every single person that you tell that to that hears it is now personally insulted that you think that they are stupid enough to believe something that contradicts what they saw with their own eyes. That's fundamentally what the problem is and that's one of the other reasons why
people got so mad about it too. Yeah it it's actual gasoline. Exactly. Right. That's it. Don't believe your lying eyes. Fucked up. But if this is all wrong, it's all a bunch of who we and Hassan didn't shock or vibrate or do anything at all here to cause Kaya to yelp in pain. I think a would have been very easy to immediately in the moment, prove that by just
showing the color, which again, I feel like is the most logical thing most people would have Thought to do but also be I still think all of his like anger and like annoyance at the dog for moving around Off her place is just fucking weird too. And then of course people it did seem very disproportionate and and I think that's another reason why is that whenever you have somebody who is like aggressive I think in general like... so I don't want to go as far to say that like this is like a symptom of abuse because I think that's a bit too much of
an accusation and I wouldn't make that but I will say that the code switching and tone switching that people see sometimes is going to give them a remembrance of maybe a person in their life that, you know, was like super nice and people like them. But as soon as it's just you and them, they're hyper abusive to you or they're hyper aggressive or hostile to you in a way. And I think that that definitely resonates with a lot of people.
People can be weird towards dogs, exactly, and so like, whenever you have like that tone shift that's like binary like that, I think that that triggers, unironically, it triggers a lot of people. Mentioning how Kaia's on stream 8-10 hours a day and then just all of a sudden randomly he decides to shock her today? Yeah, great story you've got there, Buster.
Really shows how stupid everyone's become. Everyone's really fucking dumb to believe in something like this. All just because he hasn't in the past on stream. And then of course, people take it a step further saying none of his friends have ever called him out for using a shock collar, thus this has to be a load of... Well none of his friends have called them out for supporting and promoting terrorist propaganda either. The fact is that, and this is something that's very important to keep in mind, is that Hassan is a very large content creator
and because he's a very large content creator there are very few people, and his community is extremely toxic, they are extremely hostile. How do I know that? Because they've gone after me. They've gotten mad at me. I would say that Hassan probably has and and I'm sure he would say that I probably have one of the most toxic if not the most toxic communities on the internet. Like like I would say
I mean to an extent and why is that? Is it because there's a lot of people that watch us? Maybe that's it, I don't know. But either way, like, his community is extremely toxic, hyper aggressive, they love, as soon as somebody is like, they're calling Charlie a Nazi, a right winger, and all this stuff because he brought this stuff up, this is, what the fuck are you doing? Like whenever you're a community and you're, you're going to that length and
you're getting that radical about something, what ends up happening is that. Like there's a lot of, again, like just reasonable people that are in the middle that see this and they're like, wow, that's, yeah, that's kind of weird. Like what the fuck? And so also a lot of other content creators don't want to criticize somebody like Hassan because Hassan's community is hyper aggressive.
They are very vigilant. They will go out and make tweets about you and accuse you of things that are just totally fucking insane. Just like just say just slanderous, awful things about you for really no reason other than you being on the wrong side of a certain issue.
So that's really, yeah, find your personal info too, exactly. Yeah, you've got more and more and more of that. And that's the big reason why a lot of his friends probably don't call him out on this. I mean, and maybe some of them agree with her, they think it's not happening, but I'm sure like, why is it that nobody's ever criticized this outside of like, you know, the people that are around like, kind of like my circle, I guess. Well, the reason why is because they don't want to be victims of that type of harassment.
And I think this is something that happens on the internet as a meta-level thing, this isn't something that Hasan has a monopoly on, but a lot of people don't criticize larger creators because they're afraid of getting attacked by their audience. And that's it. It's very obvious. Oh, fucking horseradish. Couldn't that apply to you, calling him a terrorist supporter, though?
Well, I mean, like, whenever you play terrorist propaganda and say that you support the Houthis, that makes you a terrorist supporter because the Houthis are a designated terrorist organization. Like I don't think that Hassan is a terrorist, and I don't think Hassan wants to kill innocent people. Like I don't think that's the case at all, but whenever you do that, categorically that's the case.
And there's no reason, and like it's easy to say, like for example, it's easy to say that like, you know, I support, you know, Palestine, and I'm fine with this, and you know, even I can like there are not two options here there's like a 50 options and it's been reduced to two by people on the internet that are mentally ill. You see kind of what I'm saying here? The Shinzo Abe gun tweet? Yeah exactly and and I think that's a that's a good example too right and I get what you're saying but Osama not granting you the same courtesy? Well it's not I'm not it's not about like the way that I treat him. It's the way that I treat you guys, right? Like I try to give my take on this and be as accurate about it as possible
because I think that you guys deserve that. Whether somebody else would treat me that way or not is not really relevant to me. What matters to me is that what's fair and what's accurate. And so that, That's, I try to look at everything from the most, like, rational, reasoned perspective possible. And I think that the only times that I really kind of go off the rails is whenever I don't do that. And so I try to be extremely measured and never tap into my emotions at all with anything.
Especially on stream. Because I think when I do, it's always bad. It's bad every single time. And I've thought about this a lot myself. I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff like this. And I always try to avoid feeling that way. And yeah. So, is that right? That's what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. And anyway, I think that's the big
reason why people aren't calling him out and saying that stuff. Other creators aren't. And I think that now, like Charlie and other people are, you'll see other creators aren't and i think that now like charlie and other people are you'll see other creators that will do it more because most people on the internet you've got to remember that people that you work with i mean it's like kind of co-workers right i mean you know i'm friends with a lot of these streamers because i'm also a streamer it's not like we have a lot of shared interests in some cases or you know we met through playing a video game together.
Like, these are coworkers and people that you understand inside of a professional space. And because of that, you have to keep that in mind whenever you're making decisions with them and all of that stuff. I mean, I do have friends at streamers, absolutely, but everybody that I'm friendly with that's a streamer, I don't consider an actual friend. And I don't think anybody should because they're not. They're just simply co-workers and people that work in the same industry as you that you're friendly with and you maintain
the degree of decorum. That's normal and it's okay. And maybe one day they would be friends, but that hasn't happened. That's reasonable. Completely reasonable. S-Fan? Of course S-Fan's my real friend.
Of course.
I mean, I don't want to go through a list of like, oh, these are my real friends, because then people are gonna be like, oh, what about this person? He's not on the list, right? But yeah, of course. I'm just talking about it- I'm- I'm-
I'm just being honest. very weak argument. Because I know if Hasan does use a shotcaller, he would never let any of his friends see that because he would know that they would call him out for it and give him shit for it, especially someone like Maya. So they just
wouldn't...
True. It's a very good point. No, thus, they wouldn't be able to call him out on it or anything like that. And this whole idea of making an assumption based on things that... Yeah, everybody knew about this etc Side of what is clearly visible here. I think is useless
Yeah, just because you haven't seen it in the past on stream doesn't mean it's not something He's done before or it is very possible. This was the first time that's also very true, too What are his shot callers used for training and what is he doing with Kaya, at least based on what I've heard him talk about, training her, or at least expanding the training on place. So maybe he decided that this might be a good tool to use for the first time. That's also entirely possible.
It's not some like far-fetched, crazy conspiracies that only hate her. And I think this is another reason why people think it's ridiculous. The amount of spin that people like Hasan and I think his orbiters put on things is very off-putting, I think, to an average person. It's extremely off-putting and it's weird because of just how much they will blatantly lie about something. And it's not just about this topic, it's about all topics. And the amount of exaggerations, misrepresentations, outright lies, uh, you know, uh, just other
forms of, you know, just shifting what's going on, uh, that, it's, it's weird and off-putting? Yeah, it's very off-putting. ...are drumming up and you know, falling in line with. Intentionally misunderstanding. It's a very plausible thing based on what is clearly visible in the clips. Anyway, just wanted to blabber about this a bit. I know I've been very out of touch with internet creator drama. Big mistake. I plan to keep it that way. But occasionally, can't help but poke around in a couple of the things going on out there. And yesterday was just a crazy one that I just needed to yap on a bit.
That's really about it.
Yeah, there we go. Let me go back. I'll look at this, talk about this for a few minutes. But Legal Mindset video about this topic is really good. I don't want to watch a whole lot more about it. I saw that he responded to this and so like I'll probably look at that But like otherwise, I'm not gonna spend like fucking three hours thinking about this. So he responded to Charlie's video Yeah, yeah, let me see if I can pull this up and find it because I I know he did respond to it I'll look at it. LA streamer is pissed that moist critical didn't message him before dropping his video I think that this really makes Hass Hasan look bad if that's actually what
this clip is. But let me actually just watch the clip before I make a decision.
I'm not even breathing the direction of Mois if I were you to be honest. I mean he's gonna he's he put his fucking flag on the he put a stake on this okay he was like oh enough people shit on him it's it's good. It's like, obviously not a... It's obviously... No matter how fucking made up a narrative it is, if a clip looks bad enough, then he will go with it.
Well, yeah, I mean, it looks bad. And I think also, like, what he's effectively accusing Charlie of is that Charlie will only hold the popular opinion on a topic. He's saying that he's- Charlie waited for enough people to come to a conclusion on this before he had an opinion on it. Which is- I mean that's definitely- I mean you're insulting a person's credibility there, too.
He will just use- these guys guys all they fucking do all these guys fucking do is basically farm reddit for talking points and reddit can so easily be bought it and manipulated and I don't think we're ever gonna get ahead of that. There's just nothing we can do bro He said you're abusing Kyle like no way fuck him. Yeah, I mean if he if he thinks that he can he didn't say that
Dick he didn't say that he said it looked't say that. He said it looked that way. And even you said it looked that way. Why are you getting mad? Like he didn't even say that. Why are you getting mad? I mean I get why he's mad.
I understand why. But at the same time, you've got to be reasonable here.
Weird how quiet he was about literal pedophilia in certain communities.
What are you talking about?
What, what the fuck?
See, this is the exact stuff that I'm talking about. What the fuck? What are you, what? This is the weird off-puttingting, hyper-fucking-specific, the Destiny stuff? Destiny's in the middle of a lawsuit. He's in the middle of a lawsuit. Commenting on internet drama is way lower on the totem pole
than making a conclusion on an ongoing lawsuit. He doesn't want to get entangled into a lawsuit? Of course not. This is the kind of... if that's what's being referred to, like, I don't know. And so he chose to read that comment, by the way. I read all kinds of comments. I mean, maybe some that I shouldn't as well. But my point is that that's the kind of comment that really, I think, polarizes people against the Hasan, like, area community.
Is that, like, these weird connections that they make that are effectively just lies. Like, do you think that Charlie doesn't care about pedophilia? What the fuck are you trying to say? It's so weird. What the fuck? It's always about politics? Yeah, and they always go, they always dial everything up to 11.
And I think that's what's really off-putting to a lot of people. I think most people, it's off-putting to somebody by that.
It took him two years to fucking come out and be like, yeah, the genocide is happening
and it's really fucking bad. What are you talking about? Like he doesn't make commentary about politics. What is this? Like he very rarely says anything about politics at all. Like he doesn't comment on who he was. As far as I know, he didn't endorse anybody
for the 2024 election. He didn't go out and campaign for anybody. He might've made a video laughing about something stupid Trump said or something stupid that Kamala said or whatever. But like, why is every- what does this have to do with the dog and bringing about like Israel, Palestine, etc.? And you're right that a lot of content creators, and Hasan is right about this in an extent, is that there are content creators that are out there that want to throw stones from a glass house. is out there and you're trying to put yourself out there and give your opinion and then you have people that don't have any opinions that are constantly shitting on you, it will- because
it happens to me too. That's the reason why I know it. But the point is that what the fuck does- does Gaza have to do with your dog? It's so weird and it's- it's this intentional misunderstanding. Hasan knows that Charlie doesn't do politics. He knows that he doesn't get involved with that stuff.
So why are you even bringing this up? And I think this is the type of language that mobilizes and weaponizes his audience. This is the exact type of language that happens. Charlie commented on Netanyahu and TikTok. Of course he did, because it was like it was, that's like Charlie commented on Netanyahu and TikTok. Of course he did, because
that's like Charlie commenting on Donald Trump saying something about YouTube. This is something that politics has now come into his space. He's not really making a comment on politics, he's making a comment on his space and how politics is affecting his space. This is a very, very different thing. I'd actually, so let me go back.
Charlie's really fucking bad, actually. So Charlie's been on a good streak lately. He genuinely cares about dogs. He talks about how much he cares about dogs and pets all the time. So do I, dumb fuck. That's the reason why I'm... That's the reason why I'm... That's the reason why I'm... That's the reason why I'm... That's the reason why I'm...
That's the reason why I'm... That's the reason why I'm...
That's the reason why I'm...
That's the reason why I'm fucking annoyed. He could just like unironically reach out and be like, hey, what's going on here?
I think that him saying that is actually kind of bad. And let me explain the reason why I think it's bad to say that. Because it presupposes that all of the articles and things that are written about you that there could potentially be back-channeling and conversations about them that are not made evident to the public. A lot of people criticize and, you know, like, bring up the fact that Hassan gets a lot of positive articles written about him
in a way that, you know, they think that the articles are misleading or inaccurate or incomplete. I think that by him saying that it will draw the conclusion and cast doubt on the people that give him any sort of positive publicity, because now they're going to think themselves, Oh, well, what if he's just talking to them like he was hoping Charlie would talk to him? Do you see kind of what I'm saying here? Like and also like and here's another component to this as well is that Charlie let's say
let's say that Charlie does reach out to Hassan and Hassan says it isn't real it's not what happened. Why would Charlie listen to Hasan rather than what he saw? What additional information could Hasan provide Charlie? And also, if there is information that Hasan would only provide Charlie, but not the public, why is that? What would that even possibly be? Why didn't you put that out on your stream?
And so if you think about this, this accusation, it doesn't really make a lot of sense, does it? Because any information that would, that would help you and, you know, give you a better case, like, obviously Charlie knows that you said it didn't happen. Like, what are we doing here? Like, yeah. And so, and also, so and also hoping to bully Charlie with threats. I don't know about that. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna accuse him of that. But what I'm saying is that, because Hasan is so
used to journalists reaching out, he thinks that's over and criticism, criticize him. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, is there a good story thated him out here. I mean, what I'm saying is that, like, of course, he's not going to come out and tell you and this is another big thing that like I've learned doing commentary on things is that there have been issues. There was one issue recently, and I'm not going to give you the example of the issue, but it's an issue that I actually explicitly said that I would not make a comment on. The reality of this issue is the exact opposite of what the
public's perception is. But I can't say why. And do you know what I do? I don't talk about it. That's the reason why. I don't talk about it. I don't want to get involved with it. I don't want to have anything to do with that. Exactly. And so, it's fine. Exactly.
And you could go in, etc. Are you talking about right now? No, I'm not. I'm talking about like the fact that this happened. My point is that whenever you try to think that you're lying to them because why not just show it to them? Why would they want to take your point of view here?
Like, what was this about? This clip looks bad. You know what I mean? It does. Hey, Hasan, I know we've been around one another before. We've actually been around one another and a lot of the people that I know we've been around one another before. We've actually been around one another.
And a lot of the people that I know that I'm around all the time and do content with have not only been around you, but also been around Kaya. He could have just fucking hit up, not me, but any number of different people to be like, hey, do you think there's any veracity? Do you think there's any veracity? Do you think there's any veracity to these claims?
I don't think that's very accurate and that's not a good way of doing things. Like, so to me, like I can compare this to like situations that I've had to be a part of, unfortunately. There were people that were exposed for doing things that I thought were very problematic, that I, really looking back on it, had no idea were happening. It's not like these people, and also like Hassan, and Charlie's right, that Hassan wouldn't have done something that was seen as bad around people that could see it as bad.
It's very obvious that Hassan cares a lot about optics and how people see him. And logically you would expect him to not use something that could make him be seen as a bad person around people who he wants to cultivate a certain image for. It's just logic. I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't.
Just like, don't ask me directly. Do your due diligence. Why the fuck do you go to Reddit for talking points, dumbass? What kind of fucking moron are you?
pfft
You're getting mad, bro. You're getting real mad. I get why he's mad, but like... How is it wrong to go to reddit for opinions, but it's right to go to the person who it happened to Like that's like interviewing Charles Manson and being like did you do it? And he's like no of course not they're like Oh fuck. Oh, what are we doing? I mean, he just said he didn't do it guys What are we doing? Yeah, it's done. It's simple
Yeah, of course, obviously, you're gonna say, why didn't he reach out to you so you could tell him that the thing that people are is what goes for doing commentary on the internet is just like, oh, these are the Reddit threads from some of the most schizophrenic people you've ever actually encountered. This is all it takes for me.
I mean, here's the thing. Hasan was glazing Charlie less than a week ago because Charlie made a video that was critical of Israel indirectly because of Israel's censorship on social media. So, I don't really think that Hassan has a problem with Charlie's content. I think that Hassan has a problem that Charlie's content is involving him.
That's really it. I don't know what to say.
Did you hide the bad stuff from your friends?
Of course.
I mean, logically, that, I mean... What about that doesn't make sense? You could say that it's not true, but like, don't be shocked that that's what somebody would say, of course that's what somebody would say. Like obviously, like...
How could I hide?
Yeah, duh, like why would you do something that you know is bad in front of people that could say it's bad like fucking duh.
But Okay, I'm gonna DM him. Gross. Fucking moron. Alright, whatever.
Oh, jeez.
Yeah, I'm gonna DM him. Jesus Christ. Like, listen, man, if you were able to give Charlie evidence that this is, this is, it's not what it is, you should have shown it. You should have shown it on the fucking stream man you're stressing yourself out yeah like what are you doing i don't know what i'm gonna call the manager i mean i get
it and i do think that a lot of dispute like i've resolved disputes with people in dms as well and i think that's better but you shouldn't expect somebody to not comment on something that happens that's that's a big issue like this this has been a big issue whether you like it or happens that's a big issue like this. This has been a big issue, whether you like it or not, it's a big issue. And I think really expecting and trying to like privately believe people, it makes no sense.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's so, he also reacts to Charlie and loves watching his videos.
Yeah.
I, I'm going to DM him, aka I'm going to shock him. It's not a personal dispute. Yeah. I'm gonna DM him, aka I'm gonna shock him. It's not a personal dispute. Yeah, and like, I mean, there's certain personal issues that I have with people, but I mean, he's trying to phone a friend. Yeah, basically, right? And gonna be another Ludwig situation where he's gonna make Charlie delete the video or edit it? I mean, I don't think that's really going to happen. I mean, Ludwig and what, like, Charlie and Ludwig, or sorry, Charlie and Hasan are not like close friends. I think Ludwig and Hasan are much closer. I'm not saying they are close friends, but like they're closer than I think Charlie and Hasan are.
That's my understanding, right? Like, and I don't know what to really say, the entitlement of it. Yeah, and I don't know why you would say that or do that or anything like that. It just doesn't really make any sense to me. I'll read some of the comments, etc. Well, I mean, come on. I mean, as I said before, right, Ludwig, Ludwig is a business guy, right? He wants he doesn't care about this stuff. I mean, actually, that's not true. I think he does care about think that if somebody doesn't want to play the game, then you should allow them to not play the game.
That's okay. Now, I- I- I- Is that crazy for me to say? Like, if you just- If you don't want to- If somebody just does not want to be involved with any of this bullshit, like, I- I don't want to deal with it, that's okay. And so, yeah, he does though? I mean, he stopped. To be fair, Ludwig did stop making mogul male videos discussing internet drama, giving his
opinion on it. He did totally stop it, which made me very angry at him because I used to react to them. And so yes, I'm very, very upset about that. But if they call you to take down a video and you do it, you're complicit. Yeah, I mean, I think that if he tries to, I mean, it's just... I don't really see this as like any pressure to take down the video on him, which he mildly criticized Hasan. I wonder how long Hasan can maintain his influence over normie content creators.
I think that the reason why normie content creators kowtow to it is because they don't want Hasan's audience to call them pro-genocide pedophiles. Like, that's the reason why normie content creators kowtow to this. It's because they don't want to just be slandered and lied about by an audience of people that are just ravenous liars with absolutely no consideration for the truth. And they will just openly lie and libel and slander you about anything with literally no regard to what's real. And dox you. Yes, exactly. Like they're
getting bullied, like they don't want to deal with that in general. So yeah, and I don't think more so it will bend the knee and I wouldn't expect them to be ridiculous if he did. And it would make him look super bad if he did, by the way, you should never do that. It's a huge mistake even if you think it's the right decision and he thinks you fucked up if you delete the video everybody's gonna say you got paid off and you're wrong like they're it's like it's kind of like you know you've already broken a glass
and you're wrong like they're it's like it's kind of like you know you've already broken a glass right it's already happened so yeah
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