If Not Modi Then Who? | Shut Up Ya Kunal ft Kanhaiya Kumar & Kannan Gopinathan | Episode 31

Akbar once asked Birbal, Birbal tell me how much strength do I have? Birbal said you have a lot of strength. How will I know how much strength I have? What is the limit of my strength? What all can I do? There was a bridge from where people used to go. He said do one thing, whoever crosses that bridge has to pay 5 rupees.

Till now everyone was going for free. So someone stood there and kept paying 5 rupees. People started paying 5 rupees and started going. He said, wow, I have so much power that I can pay 5 rupees. He said, no, I will show you more. He said, not 5, but 50.

The next day, Akbar wrote 50. So, people started taking 50.

Then he took 100. Still, no problem.

People are taking 100.

People are less now. Many people are not able to go. But those who are going, are going. After that Birbal said, let's do one more thing. Now 100 rupees and we will put someone there who will slap everyone. So they started slapping.

The next day he said, not one, but we willpping everyone. The next day, he said, we will not just slap one person, but ten. So, ten people started slapping. The next day, the whole crowd gathered. Akbar's people, the people of the court, there was a huge protest.

Akbar thought, this is my limit. I can't do more than this. Akbar asked, what happened? What is the problem? People said, we are so many people and you have only one person to kill. So, it seems like a very long line.

You can kill at least 10 people. There is no problem in getting beaten.

We like whatever Modi Ji does.

Even if the children sleep hungry at night, we will keep cheering for Modi Ji.

It feels good. If Modi is there, the expenses feel. If Modi ji is there, I like the expenses.

If Modi ji is there, you like the expenses?

Yes, I like it.

Because if the Modi government has to raise the lion, then the expenses are there. And if Mandi comes and the situation gets worse? Sir, we are ready to bear it.

So, how long will you bear it? the Complete the sentence. You are right.

Hello, welcome to another episode of Shut Up Ya Kunal.. Today we have two guests who have already been on the podcast,

but they are a bit different because they are in Congress now.

You shake hands with Congress like beggars, get out.

You leave Hindutva and do politics of Muslim exploitation, get out.

When you came for the first time, you were in CPI. When you came for the first time, you were in CPI When you came for the first time, you had resigned from the bureaucracy and then it was discovered that this young man who was even helping lift loads there was in fact an IAS officer

And now you both are in Congress, so I have only one question that what is the difference between Congress and BJP?

There are many differences, but if we see the main difference, then one is Gandhi and the other is Nehru. If you remember a video where Nehru is going to a village and he asks

them who is the mother of much Who is Jai? Bharat Mata means this earth is our mother Bharat Mata is all this Rivers, mountains, fields, trees, dense forests sea, sky But without you or me, all this is meaningless. The most important thing is the people who are spread all over India.

If you look at it, you are all the motherland.

Hail to the motherland!

When you say, Hail to the motherland, you are not saying it for external things. You are saying Jai for yourself. This concept is the primary difference marker for me. The country is not different from the people. India's development is in the development of the people.

India's security is in the security of the people. If the people are diverse, then India is diversity. If you look at the preamble, you will see the dignity of the individual. The dignity of every person is in the preamble. That is a key conceptual difference

that I think when Congress says, Hail to the Mother India, what does it believe? And when the BJP says is Bharat Mata ki Jai.

Bharat, everyone on. Bharat Mata ki Jai. Say Bharat Mata India's victory. Sir, that's a different thing.

Sir, what are you adding and where are you adding?

No, no, our issue is India's victory.

That Vande Mataram should be 150 years old.

My issue is not my issue, my issue is unemployment.

My issue is that no poor should die.

Yes, yes.

No poor should die. Humanity is my issue.

Humanity, humanity, humanity. That's it. He said it very well, that land is not a country, people are a country. So, when we say that Kashmir is the most important part of India, then Kashmiris are also the most important part. When Kashmir is the most important part and Kashmiris are also the most important part, then why are they beating the Kashmiris who sell shawls in the other part of India?

Once again, another video of ignorance has emerged. In the video that is going viral, it can be seen that in the winter season, a villager treated a young Kashmiri man who sold blankets and warm shawls badly.

The person directly threatens that in the coming days, he will set fire to a Muslim.

I will set fire to a Muslim. In a couple of days, I will set fire to half a Muslim. I will blow it.

I will cut it. Do you understand? Muslim We are Muslims. Say Jai to Mother India. We won't say Jai to Mother India.

You won't?

Why?

Isn't India your country?

India is our country. We love our country.

What's the point of saying Jai to Mother India?

No one can say that we are not Indians.

Who will say that?

We are not Indians. We are not Indians. You are more Indian.

On the basis of language, religion, caste, when someone has a difference of opinion, then it is a torture on the motherland.

Any son of the motherland has all the rights that Narendra Modi has.

We have to understand the dialectics of diversity and unity. Diversity in unity and also diversity in unity. We are all Indians, this is our unity, this is our identity, We need to understand the dialectics. There is unity in diversity and also in unity there is diversity. We are all Indians. This is our unity, this is our identity. But this identity is also our identity.

In Tamil Nadu we will worship Murugan and in Uttar Pradesh we will worship Kartikeya. There can be a difference between the Hindu of Kerala and the Hindu of Bihar. There can be a difference between the Muslim of Kerala and the Muslims of Manipur. This is the speciality of India. And if a political party can walk with this diversity, then Congress can do it.

Because Congress is not just a political party, it is the history of modern India. Congress represents a social, political, economic and scientific journey. The creation of the Congress Party was for the freedom of this country, for independence. Congress is playing a role in bringing the Constitution we are talking about. But Modi Ji's ideology has not taken part in the freedom of this country,

nor has he contributed to the constitution. If he continues to be in power, elections may be stopped in this country tomorrow and the constitution will be replaced by the constitution of Amarnath Sumrathi. This is the difference. You started from the point that BJP came to this country because of the mistakes of the Congress.

We strongly believed that. And we believed that for a long time. But the BJP came. Should we remain stuck in our history? Should we remain stuck in the past? And there is a very interesting thing about the past.

You can neither live in the past, nor can you leave the past. the So, which party's leader can defeat BJP? And if you look at it from a ideological point of view, if you have a problem with Godse, then you should be in Gandhi's party. So, this is a personal experience for me. We have just had a staunch conversation about Congress. You can call me an anti-or a person who criticizes it. We have discussed many policies of Congress on your channel. And I still do. the which can be positive or negative which many people call baggages

we want to carry the badge of those baggages on our shoulders

What is a dream? Where every citizen gets their rights can see their dream can try to fulfill that dream where the government helps them And if they don't,

they have the right to ask questions to the government. This is democracy. Even the smallest child can ask questions to the government. Those who think that the government is doing the right thing, and they give their full consent,

they can be patriots. Those who think that the government is not doing for the country's interest, and is taking it on the wrong path, the The country is not moving in the right direction. But for their own benefit, greed, or survival, they have not decided to stay quiet. Because it is better to stay quiet. The concept of BJP is that a powerful country means a powerful government. The government should have all the power.

The government should have all the resources. The government should do whatever it resources. The government should do whatever it wants to do. The people are weak. Because the country has made a separate entity from the people. So when you make a separate entity from the people,

where do you project that entity?

In the government.

You project it in the state. So you can get all the governance philosophy from here. If the government is rich, it means the government is rich or the people are rich. You can understand the difference. Freedom, the government should have it, the people should have it. Privacy, the government should have it, the people should have the right to information. The government should have the right to privacy. The public should have the right to information.

The system is completely opposite. What is the right to information? The government should be transparent towards the public. The public should have all the information. The public should have all the information. The government should have all the information.

We will not give the information to the government. We will not give the information to the government.

We will not give the information of the government.

Do you remember when was the last time in our country that there was a population census? Or when was the last household consumption survey conducted? No? Okay, then let me ask you this. How many people in India are currently living below the poverty line? Or how many Indians actually lost their lives during the

COVID-19 pandemic? From hate crimes, mob lynchings, deaths by suicide, to economic indicators, GDP or jobs, the fact is that either the government hasn't collected data for so long that it is absent, or there is indeed no data, or sometimes it is calculated in a way which doesn't really align with global standards, other times the government rejects global findings and often it also gatekeeps data. In fact, CIC has refused so many RTI applications by saying no data, this one also has no data. When there is no people in the country, we are the subjects. Then we work for the king.

We are happy for the king's happiness. If there is a son in the king's house, we will celebrate. Everything is for him. We don't have anything. We have to give him what we have. If we cut the crops, we have to give it to the king first.

After that, we can't say that we don't have food, so we won't give it to the king. After that, we can't say that we don't have food to eat, so we won't give it to the king.

In the name of tradition, you see that after marriage, the daughter-in-law will go to the king first. Then she will come to her house. The crop will also go to the king first. And what is the legitimacy of the king? That he is the man of God on earth. He is a man sent by God. If Kanhaiya comes to meet me and tells me in a closed room that I am not biological,

I have been sent by God, then I will say to Kanhaiya, I will say with folded hands, Kanhaiya, don't say this thing outside. Don't say this thing outside even by mistake. God has sent me. I am convinced. I am convinced. I am convinced.

This energy is not found in biological body. I don't need to convince the world that God has sent me. Now if someone says this to you on the road, what will you say to him? What will you say? Jeevit Sharda Shatam Param Aardhanya Narendrabhai.

God Almighty himself has sent Modiji as an Avatar Purush It can be fear, hatred, anger, any negative emotions. It is a politics of emotions. I believe in the politics of fear, everything else is secondary. Creating an enemy and that enemy is continuously coming after you. So, you have to consistently keep yourself anxious, nervous, in a frightened environment so that someone is coming to attack you. to consistently keep an anxious, nervous, scared environment

so that someone is coming to attack you. Everything else is secondary. Your own dream of moving forward is secondary. The politics of all this is not important. First save your life. Your own life is secondary.

Save the identity of your life. Under the conspiracy of conspiracy, the demography of the country is being changed. country We are occupying their lands. This country will not tolerate it.

You said that the fear that the BJP is spreading is imaginary. Why do you think it is imaginary? The primal fear that Kandan spoke about, as a homo sapiens, this is within all of us. We are talking to you.

So you don't have one identity. You can have a religious identity, you can have an anthropological identity, you can have a linguistic identity, you can have a regional identity. So you have multiple identities.

So on this basis, diversity is natural. And monopoly is unnatural and imposed. But if there is no monopoly,

then the control of power will not be in the hands of one person. And when he said that there is a people, there is a country. when we take this concept and walk, then the control of power is not in the hands of any one person.

Like life is impermanent, now we are alive, we will die. There was a world before us, there will be a world after us. So when we accept this impermanence, then first of all arrogance goes from us, ego is removed, then fear is removed from you. When we accept self-reliance, we lose our arrogance. Then we lose our fear. When you don't fear, you speak the truth.

When you speak the truth and walk with the truth, you don't create a group, but a society. A society that can think, a society that feels, a society that has compassion. This is the beauty of religion. But why is religious identity used?

For hatred, for division, for dividing people, for fighting. And why is this done? That you are a human being, you are free, and you are free to live your life, to dream, to be independent. This should be limited. And a slave mentality inside you. And every time someone comes and kills you,

whatever you have, he will take it away from you. So you live in perpetual fear.

This means, who will we distribute this wealth to?

Those will be distributed to those who have more children will be distributed.

A comprehensive mission to increase the population is underway by the people.

Will the money for your hard-earned earnings be given to the angry people?

You may have shed blood and sweat, but not for your children, but for Muslims.

Look at the state of these unemployed people

who want to give the property of your children to Muslims.

I am surprised that there is is not there in the democracy. It should not be there.

You see, everywhere hatred has become so decidable. So, this mentality that is being imposed on us, because of that, as he said, the negative feeling, the negative feeling, this is the politics of negativity. And it is necessary to create an enemy in that politics.

So the enemy is created separate from us. So in the name of Hindutva, using the symbol of Hinduism, an enemy has been created which is separate from us. And that enemy, which political party is with that enemy? It is Congress.

You leave Hindutva and do politics of Muslim exploitation. Get out. Anti-Hindu party, get out. Try to be a Muslim party, get out. Get out.

So, Kanan, do you think India is playing a major role in the world? And globally, we are in a very good position and in a commanding position. And we are in that commanding position because the power is consolidated and a decision maker decides. And because of that, there is a smooth transition of positions.

This country is being led by an avatar. We all want a powerful country that can fix everything, finish everything. That is an adolescent fantasy. So, external validation, Vishu Guru. Whether there are good teachers in schools or not, it becomes secondary. We want to be Vishu Guru, external. I said that we want to make India such that Guru or not, it becomes secondary. We have to become the world guru, external.

I said that we want to make such an India so that America stands in line to get a visa. Now the question that has come up is the world. We tried to do a lot in the world, but we couldn't. Very soon we realized that whatever the non-alignment was, or whatever Congress did, it was all wrong. We are such a big country, and we should be able to solve everything.

We can solve everything. So we first befriended China, then we got involved, I mean, what am I going to do? As a smaller economy, I'm going to sort of go pick a fight with a bigger economy? It was a surrendering statement. After that, you will see, in the neighbourhood of India, with everyone, even in Maldives, the India Out campaign was going on, we had a foreign presence,

a military presence in Tajikistan and Maldives. The whole world was in two places. We closed both of them. The freedom we gave, Bangladesh has given them

like our enemy. And it will have implications in the Northeast as well. Nepal. What happened after the Pakistan uprising? It was such a horrific attack. And not a single country stood with us.

There was not a single country that openly condemned Pakistan. There was not a single country. We could not convince them. Neither BRICS, nor SEO, where we are members, none of them could do it. Where is our strength?

Today, sir, when I land from Heathrow, and I land in Bengaluru or I land in Mumbai

I feel I've come from a developing to a developed world today Trump, Abhivekhan Mundan, he was doing that. And now so many things are happening. If your friend is Donald Trump, why is he imposing tariffs on the country?

So we made a deal with India, and it's a fair deal now. We are not paying tariffs to them, and they are paying tariffs.

We did a little flip.

Oh!

Across the world, we tried to do strongman diplomacy, but we didn't do it properly. Indira Gandhi used to do what she wanted to do. India used to decide what it wanted to do. Whether the US, USSR or anyone else came, if they decided that Bangladesh has to be separated,

and we have to end this problem, we have to end it. If we felt that we have to test nuclear in the 70s, we did it. We didn't think that there is pressure, there is pressure, we won't do this, we won't do that. So we used to believe in doing. We believed in doing more than speaking. Now, isolated in the neighborhood, divided at home.

If we make Indians strong, India will be strong and in the world India will have its place. If you give your place to everyone in this country, India will automatically become a part of the world. I don't want to go any of the indexes. From corruption, transparency, passport index, hunger index, media freedom, whatever index

you take.

We have gone back in every index. From democracy index to every index. And now we are saying that we will start our own index. Responsibility Nation Index.

This is our response. What is happening? I don't know what is happening. You can understand it like this. The question you asked earlier, that there is a riot in the world. If you believe that the Prime Minister is the country, then there is a riot. With the big people of the world,

with Elon Musk, Trump, George Bush, our Prime Minister's name is also in the Epstein file. So there is a riot.

In this email, Epstein is writing to a consultant of Qatar's Prime Minister that Prime Minister Modi agreed to the advice and Israel left. He sang and danced for Trump's benefit.

The work was done. It worked.

Modi Ji, aren't you ashamed?

I am not ashamed.

I have a question that always comes to my mind is Congress is a clear opposition party which is different so people of different ages whether they are 18, 30, 40, 60, 70, why don't they accept that Congress is the solution? The information system today,

which we call the communication system, is being used to controlled but misinformed. So why is it said that today is the age of post-truth? Because if you are told something again and again, then you will gradually start believing it. It is being used in politics as well.

So the actual history of Congress, people don't know that. But the lies have spread very easily through WhatsApp He is met by black flags from right wing Hindus. Sometimes black flags, sometimes they throw shit on him. In fact the first assassination attempt on Gandhi in India.

14 years before Gurdjieff murdered him.

Jise atal tunnel bana. Atal tunnel ki new congress ke waqt me rakhi gayi, aur padhan mantri khaali tunnel me and the PM just moves his hand in the tunnel and makes it his achievement. So, whatever is good in the country is happening because of the PM. And whatever is bad in the country is happening because of the PM, but it is happening because of the former PM.

So, I would like to give him a small advice. Whatever complaints you have against Nehru, whatever mistakes he has made on your behalf, whatever abuses you have made, all the insults they have made, make a list of all of them.

No, no, it's not over yet. 999 insults, 9999 insults, make a list of all the insults Nehru has made. Tell us all of them and then it's over.

15 lakhs didn't go into anyone's account. The house wasn't built by 2022. The bullet train has not started yet. The gas cylinder has not been sold for 500 rupees. Petrol is not being sold for 50 rupees. The violence against women has not stopped. The farmers are not getting double the price of their crops.

And the interesting thing about the economy is that they say that the economy is flourishing. So how is the currency weakening? You are saying that if the economy is 5 trillion, why are people in line to buy 5 kilos of grains? So, this actual reality and perception, lies, lies are winning.

And in this era of audiovisuals, it has become easier to spread lies. Mumbadari Jinnah raised the slogan of anti-Bandhe Matram on 1937. Jawaharlal Nehru saw his throne shaking. Congress bowed down to divide Band people. That's why Congress had to bow down to divide India.

The supporters of BJP are there. They consider Nehru responsible for every mistake and failure of their life. We say, this is the most interesting thing. That's why I try trying to reach out to Congress whenever I'm having this conversation. Even the people who are against the BJP,

50% of their minds are still on the side of Congress. You understand? That's why Congress can't be a clear-cut option. And I keep saying this about Congress. Congress is like this glass. If you put water in it, it will be water. If you fill it with coke, you can fill it with alcohol,

you can fill it with milk. Party is a vessel in itself. How are the people in it, that will make the party. So those who have a problem with hatred, those who have a problem with high and low, those who have a problem the touch and touch.

People want equality, people want love, people want India to be strong, people want India to be strong, people want India to be strong, people want India to be strong, that we are a peaceful country and our 5000 years of history which has the story of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam which has the tradition of Kabir and Nanak

which has the stories of Sufi saints tell me, Bulleh Sahib Bulleh Sahib used to say that demolish the temples and mosques

but he demolished their tombs In the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland,

in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland,

in the name of the motherland, in the name of the motherland, in the name of the Hindu Raksha Dal, which had been in the land of the gods for 70 years,

was sent back to Pakistan.

Karan, I have a question for you. People still believe that when Congress comes to power, it will do a lot of corruption. And without corruption, Congress will not be able to stay in power. And because it will come to power in a state, and it has to revive itself, it will do even more corruption in that state.

What do you have to say on this?

The corruption that we talk about in Congress, especially during the time of the UPA, was a report on national laws.

We are talking about the UPA, especially at the time. There was a report on national loss.

We are talking about that. And we went back to the same scheme at the time of India. Whether it is coal or telecom.

So there is one perception that was created. Look, after the Modi government comes, within 100 days, we will start the work of getting back hundreds, no, lakhs of crores to the country within 100 days.

Thousands of crores have been deposited in the Swiss bank. They have been looted from the poor and deposited in foreign banks. As soon as we come to power, we will form a task force. If we need to amend the laws, we will amend them. If we need to make new laws, we will make new laws. If we need to amend the laws, we will amend them. If we need to make new laws, we will make new laws. We will bring back every penny.

I will bring back every penny. We will bring back every penny. And the money that will come back, the people who honestly pay taxes to the country, we will return them in the form of a reward.

For free, you will get 15-20 lakh rupees. I will just reframe them as a reward. They will get 15-20 lakhs for free.

I'll just reframe your question. I think most of the answers are correct. Will Congress do corruption or will Congressi do corruption? And the Congressi corruption that they did, out of that 100%, 100% of that is in Bhajpan.

You continue.

No, no, that's fine.

If someone has worked to systematically reduce corruption as a party, then that's Congress. A very simple part is RTI. The biggest light. How can corruption be stopped? It won't be just one person.

So, corruption must to systematically stop corruption. To systematically stop it, a political will is needed. Congress had that political will. So, at that time, if you are a critical person, if you become a CAG, institutionally, who do you make?

Who is the most subservient? Yes, me. Who doesn't have the courage to stand up.

Yes, the person whose tenure has papers written is the CAG.

CAG.

He is the one. The minister is making him like that. You have made the BJP's president like that. BJP's leaders are corrupt. What about Congress? They are also corrupt.

So now you have to make a choice. Do you want corrupt people who are nationalists? Or do you want corrupt people who are anti-national? Corrupt Congressmen. I am saying this. When I was in Congress, I was corrupt.

As soon as I joined the BJP, he became a patriot. I can give you 50 examples. The Chief Minister of Assam, who is being investigated for EDs, went to BJP, he is fine now. He is deceased now. Ajit Dada Pawar, his case was taken up.

Everything is fine. So corruption is a by-product of the system. The system will be controlled and run by corruption. And you tell me, for the last 30-40 years, Congress has not been in each state. For that matter, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh. Is there no corruption in the department?

Recently I did a press briefing about the 10,000 crore skill of India. 10,000 crore! It's not a national amount. It's the actual money of the people.

Which was distributed among a few people. Why did it happen? Why was it going on for so long? Because there was no transparency The PMCARES fund was distributed to a few people. Why was it distributed to a few people? Why was it distributed for such a long time? Because there was no transparency in it. If there was transparency,

then it would have been distributed immediately.

First, people were told that under the Information Rights Act, they cannot ask questions about the money that comes from the PMCARES fund, where the money is spent,

etc. And now, can't ask the PMO where the money comes from and where it is spent. And now, recently, the PMO, the Prime Minister's Office, has instructed the Lok Sabha Secretariat that the elected MPs in the Lok Sabha can't ask any questions regarding the PM Cares Fund.

You say that you are the most decent leader of the country. They can't ask any questions about the PM CARES Fund. money or... He uses it because he wants to improve. By putting his mistakes in front of the people, by improving it, by taking the people's support to improve, Congress doesn't back down.

But BJP doesn't admit their mistakes. So many rail accidents happened. Continuously, so many big accidents happened. Someone resigned. Like Raj Bajushastri. accidents, continuously, big incidents. Did anyone resign?

Like Lal Bahadur Shastri.

Did anyone take accountability? Mamata Banerjee, did anyone ask her? Did anyone die in air accidents? How many people died in demonetization? Random people died?

Terrorist attacked. Home Minister resigned. How many?

In Delhi?

We talk about 26-11, we show it in every film. After that, the Home Minister resigned. Why isn't Jai Sagar's daddy resigning? On anything.

Continuous attacks. I mean, in Kashmir, so many after that. No, no risk. Manipur. Such a big failure. Such a big failure.

Whose failure? I am surprised. These days, in my own country, some people are calling me a criminal. I am surprised, brothers. Congress ultimately talks about material growth,

and reduces the emotional connect. I think this is what Nehru used to do. When Nehru used to promote secular nationalism, it was aspirational. Where our religion, geography, linguistics, whoever it is, our nationhood

concept, the secular nationhood concept, we have to take pride in that nationhood and move ahead with it. It also fulfilled an emotional need. That post-independence movement.

That emotional need

to feel somewhere, that pride-feeling thing, it has reduced somewhere. Friends, the country is drowning in despair. Everyone thinks, leave it, what is going to happen? Everyone is a thief. I don't know what God has given us to be born in this country.

When the elections started for the first time in India, there was a general election with ballots. Experts from all over the world came to see how crores of people vote. So whenever we make a system successfully, it becomes a mirror in the world. No such system has been developed by the government in the last 12-13 years.

The UPI that you are using today, the entire system is given by Dr. Manmohan Singh. Aadhar, DBT, everything. Whatever the government is putting its chest on today, I can tell you one by one. Right to food, under which 5 kilos of grains are being given,

it could have been given in a better way.

No, now they are giving it as charity, that is their right.

Right.

And there is no census, so maybe more people will be given. One is that, the other is the system of what is being given. Right to work. Right to work, which is being tried to end. Or the plan of direct cash transfer was also end. The Rajasthan government has also started a plan for direct cash transfer.

But this expectation is correct. I believe that the people should not expect that because the BJP is corrupt, the Congress will also be corrupt. Congress should not be corrupt. This is my mantra.

I don't eat, nor will I let anyone eat.

When he wears shoes and slippers that are more than his salary, he is saying something that is deterring. He should be questioned. He should not be praised for being his son-in-law because he takes a lot of bribe. Morality. Morality is necessary to deter.

And then there is wisdom. Then there is co-operation. When you don't let a large section of people into the system, which is a dream, then they are interested in breaking the system. And third is co-operation. There will be a government system, but the same mentality.

Our bathroom should be clean, public toilet should be dirty. It shouldn't be like that. The country is made by us and we are responsible for the country.

Even during the Congress, it wasn't like that. Even a while ago, there was host trading. MLAs were bought. But it had a negative connotation. What we used to say was that this is wrong. So what we did was, Congress brought a law of anti-defection. If you do this, you will lose your MLA seat, MP seat, and if you do

this, you will lose all these things. Today, they do the same thing. Election election.

Election news now and in Goa, all Congress candidates for the upcoming polls took a pledge to not defect after winning seats. The candidates took the loyalty pledge at a temple, church and dargah. The candidates took the pledge that after winning elections, they would stay with the party for the next five years.

Now here we have it, two thirds of the Congress MLAs in Goa said to join the BJP. I mean, who else? Chanakya and... Chanakya was buying MLA. Chanakya was... The MLA buyer turned him into a goon. That's fine. But when COVID happened, people started hoarding medicines. They started selling it for crores.

How can we abuse that? That too happened because of Chanakya. Every person who, to get power, to earn money, to do whatever he wants, he can win.

And there is no difference in any scripture. This is a forced scripture.

No, we are telling our children to beat him up and take his money. You should accept that you need his box. You are liking the box of another class. We have to teach that. Because our leaders are telling us this. Not only are the leaders doing this,

they are saying that this is a good thing and we should know how to do it. They always used to do it. Then we used to say that it is wrong. Hostaging was a negative word. Today, Hostaging is Chanakya's policy.

In 2022, the whole country has seen what Eknash Shinde can do.

So, I did a big operation even though I wasn't a doctor. You did a great operation, sir. You didn't even know. I mean, nothing is visible on the scene of crime. Till today, no one knows what you did. What is happening? Charan Vandana So this is Charan Vandana You can pick the last two questions

Which one is which?

Which one is which?

Which one is which?

Which one is which? Which one is happening? What is happening? Charan Vandana

This is Charan Vandana You can pick the last two questions to answer One is family Congress has only one family that seat belongs to the family

and that family is bad and the family is taking the country back Second question is India's army is not waiting for anyone's order. When they want to shoot, they shoot. When they want to slit their throat, they slit their throat.

They are independent of any politics. So, which question do you want to ask?

First of all, the second part, General Niravane has come, the army chief. When China came inside, they kept asking, the Chinese tank came, we kept asking the army chief, what are my orders? And there were no orders given. No orders given. Whatever happened there, that is individual bravery of few soldiers. So, it is neither desirable that army will act without orders nor nor is it feasible because army exists under a political entity. It is a political direction, it is an arm of the government. If they start saying that tomorrow no one can do anything without asking anyone,

that is a positive thing. It won't happen.

There is an elected government, it is an job of the elected government. Look, irrespective of, the system works in its own way and it is formed in many years, not in a day. Today's problem is that who gave the order, who took it, more important than that is that if they win, then the credit goes to the Prime Minister. If they don't win, then the responsibility will be taken by the Army Chief. This is the responsibility. This is problematic.

If the Indian team wins, then Jaya sir can take the shield, take the cup. If they lose, then the responsibility is on Gautam Gambhir. This is problematic.

Today, it is the misfortune of the country that people are being beheaded. Politicians run away and save their skin. This is the saddest and most depressing thing for the country.

The second family issue is an important political question. I agree that this is problematic in principle. But there is a game of half-truth. And half-truth is very dangerous. For example, it is a fact that Nehru ji was the son of Motilal Nehru. But Nehru ji was in jail for 15 years.

If he had the privilege of a family, then he should not have been in jail. Like Jinnah did not go to jail. In the 50 years of history of Congress, to You might not appreciate it, but my great grandfather spent 15 years in jail building this thing.

My grandmother was shot 32 times and my father was blown into bits.

So I understand a little bit about what this country is.

If the family issue is so problematic, then is it only the Congress family issue that is problematic or is the Sangh family is also problematic? This is the most important thing. If you are connected to RSS, then you can get anything in this country, even if you don't have the qualifications.

You can be the Vice Chancellor, you can be the Director of any institute, you can be a Minister, you can be a Minister without becoming an MLA. to I am saying this because the family has no privilege. My mother still works in a grocery store. I am saying this because what is not in your right, but is in the right of the society, it is important to say.

All of you sitting here, we have eaten your salt. We have studied day and night and got PhDs with the money you pay us. It was not our father Amit Shah who wanted us to become the secretary of BCCI. What? More than family, there is a problem

that people are coming into politics...

Barriers.

Barriers. What is the way to come into politics? I think that we need to improve our political system. People will come from the family because they already have a connection in politics. If there is a doctor, their children will be interested in him. It's not about whether he comes or not.

The thing is that if a child who is not a doctor, who is driving an auto rickshaw, his son wants to become a doctor, then he has to find a way to become a doctor. So, does he have a way to become a doctor? Does our political system give him an option? That is important.

First generation entry, basically.

So, in politics, what I feel, whether Congress should work or not, they should work hard on this. The entry that people to people in politics.

We should open that.

We should lower the barrier as much as possible.

And in our front, just I am adding, in our front, we are continuously trying that the ones who have social awareness on the ground, the political workers, they are not anywhere, they can easily enter Congress.

They can. The film scene in Kerala is a bit different. There is an art festival route. In school and plus two. Through which the talent, the kids who have no connection... ...but they know only about arts and music.

And they get such a big audience, there are TV shows, they is no connection. But only arts and music come. And they get such a big audience, there are TV shows, they come to movies, they come to films. A continuous fresh talent keeps coming. So we need to do this in the political system

and work is being done on it. And there is a lot of work to be done.

Absolutely.

Thank you so much, Karnan. Thank you so much, Kan. Thank you so much, Kanan, for joining me. Before I end, I have a request to Kanan.

Will Kanan do it or not?

Forget it. What's the point of being so serious? Kanan, you know very few languages. So, in all the languages you know, try to subscribe to my YouTube channel.

And join Congress. You're are right.

Which language do you know?

I'll send you later. Which language do you know?

Forget it.

If we count C++, we'll get 9. You're a congress leader.

If Maoist terrorists would have killed you, would you have come back from the dead to defend their rights to kill you in the name of their freedom of expression? Do you understand my question? I don't think he understands my question. I'll repeat it. If Maoist terrorists would have killed you, would you have come back from the dead to defend their rights to kill you in the name of their freedom of expression?

Kuch Bhi!

Kuch Bhi! Anything? Anything?

Game over Game over Finished Game over Out, out, out, out, get out, get out, get out, get out.