"I"M DONE!" Carville, Dem Elites CRASH OUT, Demand Dem Divorce

Good morning, everybody.Welcome to Breaking Point's Commie Takeover Edition.Ryan Grim, great to see you, sir.

Good to see you again.How you doing?

Doing good.A lot to get into this morning.We've got the establishment in full meltdown over the election results in New York City.So you and I will watch that with a lot of interest and some delight.A lot to react to there.We also have the NYC DSA co -chairs who are going to join us to talk about these wins, what they mean, what their plans are going forward.

We've got a very bizarre situation unfolding with Trump, who is refusing to sign this bipartisan housing affordability bill.unless Republicans pass his, like, election -rigging bill called the Save America Act.So, he is literally holding affordable housing hostage to his, like, election -rigging plots.So, that's an interesting one.There was also a really messy, weird situation, a shouting match between Trump and Senator Bill Cassidy, who just lost his primary over a war -powers resolution with regard to Iran that actually did pass the Senate with Bill Cassidy and Rand Paul's help.Things have progressed since there.

I will not spoil the ending of how this is all unfolding, but very weird situation.We also wanted to dig into these truly outrageous sentences that have been held, handed down in a case of ICE protesters down in Texas.Our friend Pisco is going to join and give us the full legal analysis of what each of these individuals did and the sentences that have been handed down so far and why this is so extraordinarily different from the way these types of cases have been handled previously.And we've got Cory Doctorow joining us.He's the author of Inchidification.He has a lot of thoughts about how we should think about AI, whether it's a bubble, how you should approach the use of AI in your own life.

And he has a new book out called Reverse Centaur.That's part of the title anyway.That was the part that stuck in my mind about how to live in this new age of AI.

Yeah, and I think that's going to be interesting.People, I think our audience,going to completely side with him, although I think you and I have a lot of questions about his take here.

Well, don't tell our audience who to side with yet.We can make our case around that.

I think they're not going to be with us, but that's okay.That's okay.

All right, with that being said, let's go and transition to talking about some of the establishment fallout and what people are saying both on camera and off camera from the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party leadership about these incredible victories for Zoran Mamdani and the DSA wing of the Democratic Party.Ryan, I wanted to start with an oldie but a goodie here.James Carville, always colorful, you know, never a shrinking violet here, I would say, has some thoughts on what should come next for the Democratic Party.This is A10.Let's take a listen.

The New York Times reported, and I have the quote right here, I'll get to it.She has against, passed off all her views.She has attacked interracial relationships in the American flag.Lady, I ain't in the same party as you.I'm sorry.They're just not.

And I actually do think it's time for Democrats to talk the S -word, schism.I really do.Everybody's always said, no, no, we're a coalition, we're a big tent.And there's just some shit that I can't be in the same tent with.

He's ready for a divorce.He's ready to break up with some elements of the Democratic Party.You know what's funny, Ryan, is I don't know if you follow this, but Carville just what was that, a week ago, two weeks ago, was out vociferously defending Graham Plattner, who has very similar ideological views.I don't know if he said all the things that Daria Liza has said, for example, but Claire Valdez or Imam Dani, I mean, they're very much in line on the vast majority.of their ideological positions.Carville's got no problem with him, so I do think there may be a little bit of bias there.

that comes with some of this commentary, but it does kind of echo some of the views that were expressed in, I guess, a little bit more of a soft way from Jamie Harrison.We can put AA up on the screen, former DNC chair.This got a lot of attention.He says, of people who knock doors, make calls, organize meetings, and fight for the values they believe in, if you don't believe in the party, then don't ask its members to carry you across the finish line.Obviously, the most obvious response to this is I think the voters in the Democratic Party get to decide whether who gets to be in the party and who they want their nominee to be.That is democracy, which is something that the Democratic Party leadership has frankly struggled with.

But the other thing, Ryan, that was amusing to me is this would be the same camp of people who when people actually do run as third -party candidates, like a Jill Stein or something, lose their minds over that and act like they're complete traitors and fascists and spoilers and how dare you.The reality is they just don't want real anti -corporate views to be expressed anywhere on the political spectrum.They want them to be pushed out of the Democratic Party.They don't want them to run as third parties.They just want them to go away and not exist.

Right.The phrase our volunteers and the phrase our time energy and money is is wild coming from Jamie Harrison.It's like a volunteer's time is not yours.He's the DNC chair.You don't own that.You don't own that that you don't control that person.

If you pay them like they're a lobbyist and then you make them a DNC member then yes then you own that.in the sense that you have built that relationship.But a volunteer, if a volunteer decides to canvas for a candidate, the DNC doesn't own that.Like that's their free will.You need to go out and present something more appealing to them.Now, on the Carville point, it's interesting.

I actually think there should be kind of a complete and total amnesty for anybody that said anything during Woke 1.Like if you said something about the American flag or interracial relationships or she had this, weird tweet about colonizers dating people or whatever.It's like, look, we're going to declare bankruptcy on woke 1 .0.We're all moving on.And I did, I did an interview on Carville's podcast several years ago.People could probably go find it where I said to him, look, you're complaining about this woke stuff.

It was you and your 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign that really supercharged this stuff because you didn't want to fight Bernie Sanders on economics, on class.You wanted to fight him on the questions of racism and sexism and homophobia, and you declared Bernie Sanders and his entire movement to be these awful things, and that actually, you know, ending racism doesn't actually break up the big banks, so why are you talking about... or breaking up the big banks doesn't end racism, so why are you talking about breaking up the big banks?You created this maze of insanity that became this albatross around the Democratic Party's neck.So if people followed you into that maze, you can't then pick up their tweets from 2019 and say, oh, they can't be in the party anymore.Now, if it's 2026 and you're still talking like that, okay, well, then you really haven't filed for bankruptcy on woke 1 .0.and we can talk about that.

But there has to be a way to kind of turn the page.If the left is willing to overlook war bankrupting the entire country through the subprime crisis and the financial crisis, the immense amounts of corruption that have like drained the possibility of achieving the American dream from people.So lots of willing to overlook that and still work with the kind of Carville winning the party.I think they can overlook some, some weird tweets.that were actually really galvanized by the Clinton wing of the party itself.

True.And we're going to talk with the DSA co -chairs about Letitia James' comments in the wake of these victories.I mean, she's someone who's seen — she's certainly a progressive.She's not DSA, but AOC endorsed her.Didn't endorse others, but did endorse her.And she came out and said that there's hurt feelings tonight, particularly in communities of color.

So it's, again, this weaponization of identity, whereas if you look, look at Claire Valdez's coalition, look at Daria Liza's coalition, you know, look at Brad Lander's coalition.Daria Liza looks like one black voters in her district.So this very tribal, you know, plea to identity is once again being used by the, you know, the more moderate portion of the party.So that hasn't that hasn't ended.And, of course, we see it deployed in accusations of anti -Semitism.all the time.

And that's been you know we'll get to some of that which of course there's been a complete meltdown from a lot of corners both of the Democratic Party but also of the media.Go ahead Ryan.

Just real quick on Tish James.

Yeah.

She was the first Working Families Party candidate ever to win without fusing on the Democratic line.Wow.Like she literally came in as a non -Democrat and shook up the system.It's like...

Right.Well, and here's the thing is the problem for Carvel is if we actually took seriously this proposal of like, okay, but you know what?The people who oppose genocide are going to go in this party and the people who support it are going to stay in the good old democratic party.You're going to be pretty lonely over there.You're going to have a lot of electives with you.But that is the problem for these characters now, is the Democratic Party, in terms of the base, there is no real schism.

News media loves to write, oh, the schism and the divide in the Democratic Party over Israel.No.The only divide is between the elected leadership, which is completely out of touch and immoral, and the base.The base is over.We're talking 90 percent.basically have a very similar view on this issue at this point.

So I don't think you're going to like the way that that cookie crumbles.And that speaks to also the willingness to overlook, you know, things that Daryliza has said that are certainly, you know, would not pull well with the American public or even probably with Democratic primary voters.But when you're considering a moral landscape that includes people who have run cover for or actively supported the mass murder of babies and children, You look at, like, an uncouth tweet about the American flag, and you're like, so what?You want to preach to me about morality, given what you people have supported?And then, of course, it's also against the backdrop of Trump and his... entire party being completely insane, and the authoritarian crackdowns, and the ICE invasions, and of course the war with Iran, bombing little girls school, continuing to push forward this genocide.You know, this Gaza peace deal is a complete sham.

Palestinians continue to be murdered every single day, which you guys have done incredible reporting on.You look at that moral landscape and you're like, you want me to be upset about this tweet that she sent out?I don't think so.right?I think that she has a much more moral position that is closer to my values than these people over here.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

Let's go ahead and take a listen to the ladies of The View talking a little bit about this exact topic and specifically tackling Daria Liza and her views.This is A9, let's listen.

trying to be a pro -Palestinian.No, they were pro -Hamas.It was on October 8th.

October 8th, the only thing that had happened is that Israel had been attacked and people had been brutally murdered and raped.And so on October 8th, I don't think there needed to be rallies cheering on Hamas.

You're calling her an anti -Semite?I'm gonna full -blown call her an anti -Semite.

She would proudly call herself that, trust me.

And I recall a lot of people talking about Mondani and what a terrible mayor he was gonna be, and what an anti -Semite.He was and he has proven to be quite the opposite.He's proven to be a kingmaker a leader So, Ryan, she says that Daryliza would probably proudly call herself an anti -Semite.

That is absolutely insane and, frankly, defamatory.And the freakout, not just over her, but over, you know, Brad Lander, who is himself a Jewish man, but happens to have a much more moral and principled view with regard to Israel and all these tweets from, you know, Meghan McCain, oh my God, Jews aren't saved, to my beautiful Jewish friends, I stand with you, you're not alone.Well, guess what?Lots and lots of New York Jews just voted for Brad Lander, just voted for these other candidates who, one, have been leaders in the movement against the genocide, are top leaders in Zoran Mamdani's campaign and in his, you know, in his governing apparatus.So, you know, talk about Woke 1 .0.Like, I think Woke 2 .0 here has gone further than anything we've seen ever in the past.

Yes.Yes.I think New York 10,where Brad Lander won, has the second biggest Jewish population of any congressional district in the city.And those voters went overwhelmingly for Brad Lander.So, like, I'm sorry for Dan Goldman, but you don't, like, that does not mean that, like, all Jews in New York City are at risk here.

To say that she is ipso facto anti -Semitic just for showing up at the October 8th rally just forgets the basic fact that we know now, because we know Diary of Lisa's history, that she had been an activist on this issue for a very long time.And she feared and expected that Israel's response, which already had begun on the evening of October 7th.

Hundreds had already been killed by the time that rally occurred.

And so, but even if that wasn't the case, History had told her, and history being like 2021, two years earlier, 2014, 2009, like we're not talking about like ancient history here.History had told her, and the knowledge that it was the most right -wing government that Israel had ever had in place that was in office at the moment and still is in office, that they were going to respond with a genocidal furor that was going to shock the world.I had that expectation on October 7th.That was my first thought was this state in general, but this government in particular is going to unleash hell as a result of this.And if the argument is that she was correct, but too early, I don't think there's anybody out there who's a normal person who's going to say, okay, well, you make a very good point.Yes, she was right, but she was right too early.

She was right too quickly.Yeah.No, I mean, I remember, I remember covering up to October 7th.I remember the pit in my stomach.I remember all of us internally talking about what sort of hell was going to be unleashed.And, you know, it was, it was impossible to wrap your mind around truly how, um, just inhumane and disgusting and the siege and all of the entire entirety of Gaza turned to rubble.

And so, yeah, that she was there on October 8th, understanding the history, understanding the political dynamics, understanding what likely was to come.I think that's a point in her favor, personally.Let me just hit on this note.There were some somewhat surprising defenders against the mass blanket charges of anti -Semitism here, in particular, Joe Scarborough.showed up to say, hey, if you want to point to rising anti -Semitism, I've got an idea of who is to blame, and it's not Zoran Mamdani.This is A1.

Let's take a listen.

I just, I just, you know, hearing a lot of people say, talking about the anti -Semitism in New York City, and last night proved the anti -Semitism in New York City, and this is Mamdani's fault, this is so -and -so's fault, it's this is this left.No, no, no, it's not.It's really not.If you want to blame anybody, For what happened last night, my opinion, if you wanna blame anybody, Jonathan, I think you have to blame Benjamin Netanyahu.Four years of maximalist aims, four years of ahistoric goals in the Middle East that anybody, anybody from Dr. Brzezinski to even me could have told anybody over the past 20 years, it's not going to work.And I've said it all along, there's always blowback in the Middle East.

The idea that you're gonna be able to brutalize children and women in Gaza with bombing that looks indiscriminate on TV day in and day out for years, that you're going to be able to level half of Lebanon, that you're going to be able to continue to allow thugsto run wild in the West Bank?and brutalizing Palestinians, brutalizing Christians in Bethlehem, brutalizing Christians across that area, along with Palestinian Muslims, especially Palestinian Muslims, blowing up Catholic churches in Gaza.Of course, I'm saying things that would relate to some of these people who are so shocked.that Israel is in such low standing in America right now, forgive me for a quick digression, but I was always instinctively pro -Israeli.an anti -Palestinian growing up.

You know why?Because when I was a young child, one of my first memories was the 72 Munich Olympics, when Palestinian terrorists killed Israelis.And it was shocking.And we saw time and time again terror attacks throughout the 70s.That shaped an entire generation's views on that conflict.Well, what's shaping the views now?

Images out of Gaza.Images out of the West Bank, images out of Lebanon, a famine out of God.And an American president who tells Netanyahu, go, you're under restraint, until his war in Iran goes horribly wrong.

What do you think of that, Ryan?

You know, I grade on a more generous curve, I think, than you do.And so I see that paper from Scarborough, I'm like, incredible progress.This is like, you know, and he, I think also from a regular person, you know, the kind of person who's watching Morning Joe, that's great for them to hear.I think, but go ahead.I thinkyou got some criticisms of it, which I don't necessarily disagree with.

I mean, it's obvious.Okay, Netanyahu, yes, but what about our own political leadership?What do you have to say about Joe Biden?He caped for longer than anyone else.The best version of Joe Biden we ever saw, blah, blah, blah.It's just very noteworthy to me. I get very To me, it's such a red flag when anyone tries to pawn all of the destruction and carnage and anti -Semitism to off on this one individual who is democratically elected and has been many multiple times, is not some fringe outlying character in Israeli society.

Just go take a listen to his quote unquote moderate opponents to see how much daylight there is between him and them on issues of, you know, human rights.There's zero daylight effectively.And then, you know, our own political leadership class being incredibly not just complicit, but I mean directly involved.So that's my...That would be my note on the paper, I guess.

I put that note at the bottom.I put that note at the bottom, too, but still give him high marks to encourage him to continue doing good work.

Yeah, we've got our guest standing by.But just really quickly, I do want to mention put a 11 up on the screen here because this is relatively extraordinary.We've got House Democrat anxiety rising after wins by Mamdani back candidates.Are we going to let them take over the party?One battleground Democrat told me they are so concerned about the rise of They are having serious convos with donors about leaving the party altogether next term.I would encourage them to go.

Go ahead.

Josh Gottheimer.Okay.

Yeah.Goodbye, Josh Gottheimer.Go be a Republican.Um, and, and this is the problem again, going back to the Carville piece of like, you can make that choice, but the, the, you've already really lost the base of the party is gone.You know, the, the Jennifer Welch's of the world are in a very different place today.Your average normie liberal voter is voting for Graham Platner.

Not Janet Mills is voting for Abdullah Saeed.not Haley Stevens.It's a very different dynamic.It's not just New York City.It really is a national reckoning.And Israel is the sort of most potent dividing line, because it does take in the D .

C.political context, it shouldn't, but it does take some political courage to stand up and say, it's a genocide.I'm not taking the AIPAC dollars.We need a totally different approach to all of this.We actually do need to put human rights first.But it's a stand in for, are you willing to make those hard choices?

Are you willing to reflect the will of the people versus the will of the donor class?And obviously, that has applicability in all sorts of issues across the board where the Democratic base and the majority of the American people, by the way, really want to see a different approach, a checking of the all class, true accountability for the crimes that were committed by the Trump regime and their and their acolytes.And so, you know, Gaza and calling it a genocide and standing up against it are a touchstone that indicates to voters you are the type of politician that is going to be different than the class that's in Washington today.

Yeah and we'll be talking to Corey Doctorow at the end of the program about AI and what what what its effect is going to be on on the economy and how we should think about that.And I think people would be a lot more scared of the idea of socialism if they weren't completely frightened about where capitalism is planning to take us and is and where capitalism is telling us we're going to go, which is like the complete eradication of jobs.Whether it's true or not, that's what they're telling people is going to happen.So when you have a group of people who are like, well, we have an alternative vision for society, people are going to be like, okay, let's hear it.

Yeah, I mean, they're the ones that are out there like, we need a totally new social contract.It's like, okay, well, let's get started on that then.Let's start talking about that.And that's how you end up with a situation where, and this will be a good transition to our guests, where socialism is more popular.than capitalism in the Democratic Party, DSA is more popular than Democrats in Congress, and there is just a real reckoning that is unfolding right now in the Democratic Party.It is not gonna look the same after these midterm elections as it looked before.

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