I'm Sorry Destiny Community.

I was supposed to be gone this morning, I kind of just wanted to get on here and have a face to face with you guys.I'm sure you're seeing the news.And like I told you guys yesterday, I'm pretty much always the last to know about everything, at least in the creator space.And now I get why I get a lot of things.Now I get why data was as upset as he was yesterday.I get why Paul has probably been holding this shit in now for a couple months, maybe, maybe or at least a month.

And so I kind of read everything yesterday, this destiny to every ends a new beginning.And I left with with a bit of optimism that, uh, that we were going into the direction of a Destiny3. And obviously it was a bit of copium, right?But, you know, the more and more I just kept reading this first section, I was like, this really sounds like, you know, to live beyond Destiny2. Like this, this made me feel like we were going in that direction of something sequel worthy.But I did tell you when we ended yesterday's stream, I said that if news comes out that layoffs were going to occur, then that pretty much seals it guys.

That pretty much seals it.So actually not that long after our stream ended yesterday, Jason Schreier actually drops the news that Bungie plans layoffs after ending Destiny 2 developments.And Jason, he's, I mean, I don't know what his batting average is, but it's up there, man.Normally when he's reporting on something, it follows through exactly how it follows through.And he's also called it the last few times that there were layoffs.He's very accurate.

Long story short, guys, I don't think we're going to get another Destiny game.I think June is probably going to be it.I don't think we're going to get a Destiny Classic.I don't think we're going to get a Destiny3. I think we're going to play this last update.And I think this is this is truly Bungie send off the folks that have been working their ass off to try to throw everything they can into this June expansion.

This is their love letter to us and their goodbye.And I think this is probably going to be it, boys.And I know that that sucks, man.That sucked on so many levels.And I can't even not even a single stream, not even a single day.Can I just consolidate all my thoughts and feelings on what destiny and what you guys and what this community has meant to me over the years.

It's just so awesome.that, you know, we're going to be talking about probably for quite some time, you know, until until one day no one will really, really remember what destiny was.It just be like, oh, yeah, that game.

Oh, yeah, that game.

I will say where I am at is I'm actually.angry and so it's probably good that I'm leaving this weekend because I am not I am I where other people were I rightfully upset in their process and their feelings and other directions I'm fucking pissed and we'll see by the time I get back Monday where where our headspace is gonna be at that point I do want to, for those that are just wanting a little clarity on this, with Destiny 2 gone, no Destiny 3 is coming.This is from Paul Tassin.This is probably following, this is following the news of everything else that has been brought to us in regards to the layoffs.Destiny 2 players were stunned yesterday when Bungie said it was ending developments on the game after a final update.While long -term, this may have always been coming so far as the player base knew, at least two more expansions were on the way alongside another year of content.

Not so.That's another thing that's really odd about all this is that, you know, the Fate Saga introduction of the different characters especially like Lodi and his character this is not indeed it's not concluding that or there may be some sort of conclusion but it's not gonna be just it's not gonna be the way that it should have been right and Bungie's goodbye message they seem to hint that the Destiny brand would live on in some form with players believing it was a tease that Destiny 3 is in development and would be announced at some point to help ease this loss that unfortunately is not the case and things are worse for Bungie than most might even understand From my own reporting of recent Jason Schreier piece, whose details I can now confirm it's some amount of common sense here, and what's known, Destiny 3 is not in production, and has not even been greenlit as something to start down the road.It has obviously been pitched many times over, even before the final shape, but Sony did not want to spend the money that has apparently not changed.Nothing else has been officially greenlit, and is in development yet, even among other-sequel Destiny ideas Bungie has.Where do they want to keep the IP alive?

Part of the decision to axe Destiny 2 now was to move more resources over to Marathon, now entering its second season.However, Bungie, as a roughly 800 person company, is not going to have that many people working on an extraction shooter.And without a clear new project ahead like Destiny 3, there are going to be significant layoffs, according to Shryer's reporting.The idea of a Destiny 3 has always been a long shot in the current state of Bungie, as given how many devs were working on the game post -final shape.They couldn't manage the new, heavily reduced content schedule.Developing Destiny 3 would obviously involve shutting down Destiny 2, but a true sequel would eventually need many more people working on it, which would require Sony to staff up Bungie specifically, especially if Marathon was still around.

This is the thing that should really sting the most.It has obviously been pitched many times over even before The Final Shape.It has been rumored that Destiny 3 was pitched as Destiny Payback.That's been the rumor.That Destiny Payback at one time was in fact going to be D3 or something sequel worthy.And it made sense considering that at the head of that was Mark Noseworthy and Luke Smith.

Which means that if this was actually something pitched to Sony, It would have been pitched well in advance before Final Shape.We're talking like probably as early as Blightfall.Still very late, but pitched nonetheless.And it seems like Sony has denied it every single time.Now, Marathon has not helped anything here because Marathon was supposed to be out way before it came out this year.Marathon was supposed to be out in 2024.

Wasn't.And now it's out.And I'm gonna be quite honest, Marathon ain't cooking, dude.I've seen the Marathon community, you know, as if thinking, oh, this is great.Bungie's about to consolidate.all the resources on us.

Look, man, I could be wrong, but I don't think Marathon is going to be the flagship game that Sony or Bungie needs.It's not Destiny.What's even more disturbing about all of this is that it's rumored that Destiny 3 has been continually pitched by Bungie to Sony, and it's been denied every time.time.And this is my issue.This is my problem.

I told you the worst thing I feel like that can happen from this is that Sony would ice the IP.You've seen it before.Anybody play Bloodborne here recently?For whatever reason, I feel like Sony could potentially just sit on Destiny forever.And ain't nothing we can do about it.Without a doubt, the people who should be faulted the most for all of this is the people that are no longer even at Bungie.

to even fault, Pete Parsons being arguably the biggest one out of all of them.They took a company that had a very good game, that had very good revenue, and they decided we were going to balloon everything up to make us look as appealing as possible.And in that process, that resulted in Destiny's Sovereign.The only game that actually materialized from that was Marathon, and you see the state of Marathon.And where are these individuals?Doing well, man.

Golden parachutes.What happens next is figuring out how much Sony is willing to trust Bungie on future projects.They are dangerously close to 0 for 2.Having been sold on a company that was going to keep printing money with a healthy Destiny 2 and launch Marathon as a big new multiplayer hit.Neither of those has happened.With Destiny 2 now lobotomized just a few years after the deal and Marathon struggling to find a player base.

You can see the problem here.There are no Bungie projects greenlit at all at the moment.Marathon is their only ongoing game and even the biggest marathon fans would acknowledge that it's not going to be enough to sustain a Bungie anywhere near this size and if things don't change Bungie may not be able to be sustained at all.By the way guys for those that are like I believe me I've been I feel like I've been the king of Copium now for years but those that are like don't worry it's Sony and Bungie they're gonna hire everybody back they're gonna bring bring all that talent back to make a d3 that's not how it's gonna work man Those individuals are going to, you can only get burned so many times, right?Those individuals are going to go to other studios.All that talent that was the, you know, even the original, the original design, especially the people that left after Final Shape.

They're not coming back, man.And then the other side of things is there's not gonna be a back.There's potentially not going to be a place to return to.Bungie as you know it, Bungie as a studio, might not exist this time next year.I think the thing that hurts the most out of all this is I believe that there was a future this whole time.I believe that there was a path forward and that things would evolve and we would, we would, we would ride off into the sunset for a Destiny 3.

But now we, we, that's obviously not happening.No more contest day ones.No more a lot of things, man.No more, you know, I give Destiny a lot of shit, but hot damn, has this game been such a wonderful, chaotic, imperfect piece of shit that I've sunk thousands of hours into day after day, year after year.Holy hell, man.What a wonderful game it's been.

Can we trust Tassie?First up, Tassie's reporting on what Shryer's reporting on.And yeah, yeah, you can.I mean, look, you can you can get it right here from if you want to go get the Bloomberg article here from Jason Schreier.This was written yesterday.Sony's Group Core Bungie unit is planning a significant number of layoffs as it ends development on the long running online shooter game Destiny 2, according to people familiar with the studio's plans.

The company doesn't have a new project lined up for Destiny 2's development team after the game comes to an end next month, according to the people who asked to not be identified because they weren't authorized to speak to the press.Bungie doesn't plan to immediately enter production on a Destiny 3, they said.of job cuts was not known.Literally can't do it if you don't have people to do it.You know what I mean?On Thursday, Bungie confirmed that the upcoming June 9th update of Destiny 2 will be the final content for the game.

The studio promised that it will remain online for players to access.While our love for Destiny 2 has not changed, it's become clear that after the final shape, we have reached the time for our shared worlds and destiny to live beyond Destiny 2, Bungie wrote in a blog post.Bungie's staff are looking to pitch and begin development of new projects, including in the Destiny franchise, but none have been greenlit.And there's no guarantee that any will move forward in a challenging market that is likelycompanies like Sony to raise prices and cut costs.Headquartered in Bellevue, Washington, Bungie is one of the most expensive studios to operate, given the cost of paying tech -savvy workers in suburban Seattle and the longevity of its staff.

Bungie is also investing more in the Extraction Shooter Marathon, which has not met sale expectations since its March release, but which the company hopes will expand its player base over time.The studio has moved some staff from the Destiny team to Marathon in recent months.Sony didn't immediately respond to requests for comments.Destiny was once one of the most popular games on the market, generating more than $500 million in revenue when it launched in 2014, and inspiring countless imitators.In 2017, Bungie put out a sequel, and after parting ways with publisher Activision Blizzard Inc., the studio decided to continuously update Destiny 2 with new content and expansions, rather than release further entries in the franchise.The results were mixed, but millions of players stuck with the game, which became free to play in 2019.

In 2022, Sony purchased Bungie for $3 .6 million.billion.And in subsequent years, the studio laid off hundreds of employees and canceled several projects, including Payback, a game set in the world of Destiny that was envisioned as the future of the franchise.Bungie released an expansion that appeared to conclude the game's story, The Finer Shape, to rave reviews in 2024.The player count has dropped significantly since then.The most recent release, a Star Wars themed update, brought in a fraction of The Finer Shape's players.

Bungie's leaders had talked about ways to retool Destiny 2 to make it more approachable for new players.But earlier this year, they instead decided to in -development the game partly to shift resources to Marathon.Gimme, gimme, gimme Allison's tweet.Allison, who you guys have seen multiple times, who's been present at places like GCX, who essentially had taken over the narrative of Destiny 2, with a resume from places like BG3, was asked, Lord Mother, are you doing okay?So, there are incredible, incredible talents at Bungie, and unfortunately, unless they transition to Marathon, I think they're going to get axed.

And I don't even know, like, I don't even know, like, like,

for instance, like Allison narratively, if you're not doing like full blown campaigns, you know, on a coming from like, it sucks, dude, it sucks.Guys, I wish there was something I could do.I've literally I last night, I've I could not sleep, man. I literally was just sitting there rolling in bed.I wish there was something I could do.You know, just scream into the void that we want a D3.We've already been doing that.

If Sony's not gonna, uh...If they didn't...Look, this is the thing too.If it wasn't greenlit in 2024, when Final Shape had such good reception, and we had 300 -something thousand concurrent players on just Steam alone, who knows what it was when you count console players as well.If it wasn't greenlit then, if a D3 wasn't greenlit then, dude, I don't f***ing think it's going to be ever greenlit.Guys, trust me man, I've been showing up to you guys week after week on the Copium train with you, trying to believe with you.

This is not good.This is my suggestion.We go into this June update, we play the game, we play the update, we experience Pantheon, we make some good memories.for the Bungie devs that are going to be leaving.I feel for you guys.Some of you have already reached out.

Some of you I'll get to play with.Would love to game with you.Would love to hit a couple of races.Would love to hit Pantheon with you and just shoot the shit.I think June is probably going to be a good update.I feel like a lot of love is being put into it.

And Destiny is going to be one of those games we'll talk about probably for a very, very long time.Who knows?I think the what if will always live on.You know, people talk about like Anthem still, like the what if for Anthem, but it's going to be tenfold here for Destiny.It's so strange.My interactions over the years, specifically over the past two years with certain developers I won't name, they couldn't say anything to me, but I feel like they were trying to say something to me. I now analyze those interactions a bit differently.

And so I feel for, I just feel for everyone.I just feel for everyone in this.

Alright, I am back with a Destiny 2 video.I suppose it is appropriate, it is thunderstorming right now where I am.We are in the wake of the announcement that Destiny 2 is ending.The June update will be its last one and is full of loot and quality of life changes, but no real ending for the game.There was the whole saga planned and it's just not happening and it seems it's going to wrap up with some lore tidbits.This is going to be like sort of a harsh reality check thing.

I know a lot of people accuse me of doom posting and, you know, whatever, but like this is serious business time whether we want to hear it or not.from yesterday for my own reporting.And then Jason Trier had his own piece with some new information.I went back, and now I can confirm everything he said, though I always trust his reporting.And this idea that people have that, well, this must be happening because they're all going to go work on Destiny 3.And, you know, it requires shutting down Destiny 2 to do that.

And they hinted in the blog that, you know, Destiny will live on, et cetera, et cetera.The reality of that, at least for right now, is pretty bleak.And the main headline here is that Destiny 3 is not happening, at least not anywhere remotely close to now, but it's not even just because, oh, they're starting and it takes five years to make a sequel.Like, Dusty 3 is not greenlit.It is not in production.It has obviously been discussed over the years because

obviously you would imagine that the logical next step of the Destiny franchise would be a third game.I'm telling you, dude, I know everybody's got NDAs up the ass right now, but there's going to be some stories that are going to break after all this shit goes down.

Hear me?There's going to be some stories that are going to break.

But I mean, this has been discussed even before the final shape, but Fundamentally, at least, you know, to date, Sony has not wanted to spend the kind of money that it would take to make a Destiny 3 now that it is under their umbrella.And that is kind of only gotten more true in time, I think, especially after seeing the big fall off after Final Shape, even though everyone knew that was obviously going to happen.And then there was no good posts, you know, Final Shape plan that really gave anyone assurance that the future was going to be, you know, manageable.And then, I mean, they had this like reduced content plan and then given the resources they had, they couldn't even get a full year of that out.Like we didn't even make it a full year to the next expansion here.Nothing has been greenlit at Bungie so far in terms of what they're going to be working on next outside of Marathon.

That is very bad because this is at least like an 800 person company.And if you have nothing to work on, nothing like in production to put people on, there are going to be layoffs.Schreyer's report said that, quote, significant layoffs are coming.This is very sad.It is also not a surprise given the situation.You may recall that the final shape was this big make or break moment for Bungie.

It launched.It did really well.It set, you know,player counts pretty much.It was well -received by players.And then they did a bunch of layoffs anyway.

So obviously if Destiny is ending development and people don't need to work on it anymore and there's nothing to switch to, there are going to be layoffs.It is the case.It has been said outright through this reporting, mine and Jason's.Part of this is switching people over to Marathon.They're not just like cutting Bungie in half and leaving all of the Marathon team is doing their thing.They are moving some people over to Marathon, but obviously they do not need like 800 people working on an extraction shooter.

It does seem pretty clear at this point that the idea for Marathon is to expand into a much larger game.It seems like with many different modes, PvP, PvE is already being discussed.that a lot of that was improvised because they want more players and there was never like a plan to do a PVP or PVE mode even experiment.

Yo, can y 'all quit talking shit?Like I don't think Paul has said anything here that's wrong.I think if anything, Paul's probably been sitting on this information now for well over a month.Hence why he was probably having such a negative stance on everything.But Paul dooms and glooms destiny?Well, I don't know if you know this or not, Savage Patch, but if there was ever a moment to be doom and gloom, now is it i don't know if you think it's hunky dory around this mother right now but now it's doom and gloom actually uh in season two you know they are building i'm very calm right now i'm very calm right now i'm super calm right now putting out the game and they're gonna take more people to do that um the reality here is that this is

a very tough spot for Bungie and like even beyond a very tough spot like Dyer, because if they cannot find, you know, a project, multiple projects to be greenlit to start production on, and all of they have is a marathon for the foreseeable future, how does that really sustain a company in any real sense?And Yeah, yeah, I'm hitting on Marathon, et cetera.But I think even the most diehard of Marathon fans would agree that Marathon cannot sustain a company the size of Bungie.And you know what?You know, best case for Marathon, like they keep a few hundred developers, the ones that either move from from Destiny or the ones that are working there.

And then you can't help but bring a Marathon on a Destiny video.It's like it's the same studio.

this is all assuming that Marathon has some sort of long -term successful future and blah, blah, blah.I don't talk about player counts, but like the game needs a significant turnaround in order to be the kind of thing that is a Bungie flagship series.Because if nothing is greenlit and everything is just in like theoretical incubation, it would be years until we see any other new Bungie product.And you know, that we have gummy bears, but that's something that Sony just took.And now that studio is just completely under Sony.So it's not even Bungie anymore.

Maybe they can move some of the Destiny people over to gummy bears.Maybe they can, you know, move people over to other Sony divisions instead of laying them off.Like this is, you know, looking for some spark of hope in here.But the point is, is like this all comes down to Sony and what they are willing to do.risk and invest at this point.I said in my last article, like Sony's pretty much gone 0 for 2 in this Destiny purchase.

They paid way too much for Bungie, obviously, like 3 .6 billion for Bungie, which at the time only had Destiny 2, which was in its like ninth year of life or whatever, was insane.And the expectations they had there that Bungie would be able to, like, single -handedly make all their live service games successful, that Destiny 2 would never drop.

Look, man, I don't like Pete, but god damn, man, he, the heist of the century, you hear me?Came in there and was like, listen, we are live service masters.And someone's like, well, you only have Destiny.And he goes, oh, do you think we only have Destiny?Oh, no, no.We got five games, five games for an incubation.

right now.All live services.Oh, you're gonna make live service games as well with other studios?You need us.Yes, consult us.As experts in this domain, we will help you deliver on those other live service games.

God dog it.

And then Sonny was like, I don't know.People are playing games right now, right?Yeah, they're playing games.It's lockdown.And then P's like, that's right.And we're going to be locked down for the next 30 f***ing years.

It's going to be nothing but video games.It's going to be video games and the metaverse.River Greenlet, the purchase of Bungie, got into motion?No, he got put out.He got, he got let go.At least the metaverse worked out.

Oh, you think the metaverse worked out?Really?Show me where the metaverse is.Show me how that's doing.What reality are you living in?They just laid off 8 ,000 people.

And that marathon is going to launch and be some huge, massive multiplayer hit.Like none of those were like the most reasonable of expectations, or at least not something you should be heavily betting on.to pay that much for a company.And then, you know, they've gone, I guess it's probably 0 for 3, because as far as I can tell, you know, Bungie's consultation has not resulted in any meaningful live service success at all.But when we hear about Bungie consultation, it always comes back to like, well, they canceled Last of Us Factions, which I don't think it's fair to say that.I think Bungie explained what it takes to invest in a live service for the long term.

And Uncharted was or Naughty Dog was like, well, we don't want to do that.We want to make another cool game.And so they're making Intergalactic.And then, you know, Bungie wasn't consulting on Helldivers to make that a hit or whatever.But nor do I think they did.did stuff with help with Concord to make that a huge failure, like the whole.

But the point is, is like they weren't utilized in that way in a way that Sony thought they would be.The idea that Destiny was going to just continue to be a success forever.Everyone could see that after the final shape, there were going to be declines and there would have to be a very real, logical, thoughtful, you know, exploration of where the series went next.Even then, obviously, it seemed like the idea that Sony should have gotten behind from the beginning was, OK, we know Destiny's ending with the final shape.Let's start cooking Destiny 3 a bit.And then, you know what, in 2030, we'd be playing Destiny 3 or something.

But that did not happen.And then banking on Marathon to be some huge hits in a ridiculously competitive PvP market.It doesn't The problem is, it doesn't matter that much if Marathon is a good extraction shooter, which again, I think it is in the context of that genre, because of how much money went into this, how much weight Sony was putting on this.whether that's fair or not.And like, it's just, it wasn't, isn't up to expectations.And the figures, you know, talking to Bungie, no one is happy with these figures.

Everyone understands that these are very bad numbers.And so now we need this like giant large -scale turnaround and that seems unlikely.But Sony, again, was putting too much pressure and weight on this game, which, I think could have just, you know, oh, it's just another Bungie project.Like Destiny's still the flagship.We got Marathon over here.We got Gummy Bears over here.

We're incubating this thing.But this idea that Marathon was going to be like the next Bungie thing, which seems like what they were banking on was, I mean, not going to happen.I mean, yeah, Arc Raiders, blah, blah, blah.But like that was a wildly unpredictable hit that, you know, Embark was not thinking their own game would do anywhere even close to what it did.And now, you know, even not that long after, like Arc Raiders is not exactly, you know, maintaining its its player base or seems like it might be a, you know, long, long, long living game.I mean, it's still doing well, but again, it's a tough market.

It's a tough genre specifically.And I think that has always been working against Marathon.I think all of this just happens and was predetermined years ago.I think all of this happened when Sony.

Listen to me dudes, come play Marathon.It'll be a good time and at some point in the future we can all go play Destiny 3.Look, I'm not gonna attack Marathon or its community today.But let me just say this, the last thing a Destiny player is looking to do at this moment is to go play Marathon.And it's nothing against Marathon.It's nothing against Marathon.

I'm just being honest, man.The last thing a Destinyplayer is thinking about right now is like, oh, yeah, OK, well, GG's everybody.GG's Destiny.I'm going to go play Marathon now.If you want a Destiny 3, though, the best ways to support Bungie right now is play Marathon.

Do you realize what you're asking a community to do?This is like the equivalent of like your significant other passing away, burying them and then having to f*** your new partner on its grave.Do you understand?Within about 60 seconds.Throw it on the grape.Let's bang.

This is a process of grape fear.I need time.

But if it can bring back your old partner.Oh my God, dude, the mental hoops that were jumping through right now.Are you guys for real?Are you guys for real?You're saying that in order to get Destiny 3, we have to go play Marathon.

Guys, just don't see it.I don't see it happening.

I don't see that happening.Because here's the thing.Let's run your scenario.Destiny 2 does its final update.Everyone says goodbye.Let's say, at best, 50 % of Destiny players go play Marathon.

I'm going to be honest, that's at best.Because you now have a lot of really pissed off Destiny players.And they ain't going to anything Bungie related.They're going to go to Warframe.I'm going to be honest, dude.They're going to go to Warframe.

They're going to go to Path of Exile.They're going to go to Division.But let's say 50 % of Destiny players actually go to Marathon.You're gonna tell me that that 50 % and whatever is there in the marathon community comes together Makes marathon creases the numbers and somehow some way in the next few years Sony looks at that and goes Alright, it's time time to greenlight destiny 3 who the f**k is gonna make a destiny 3 by then?Who are they gonna just call it be like be like, alright marathon developers.What's your experience with destiny?

Nothing because you all started working here for marathon Great.Well, let's call up all the old gourd, the people that used to make Destiny and see what they're doing.Oh, my God.it's been three years.They've moved on with their f***ing lives.They're working at studios, other studios, maybe even started their own studios.

Wonderful.I would never suggest that.Marathon shouldn't be blamed for D2 though.We'll have this discussion another time.I'm not blaming anyone right now.I'm just angry.

I'm just angry.And the last thing I need a Marathon f***ing player to tell me is, hey Cross, just play Marathon.Shut the f*** up.I don't want to hear your s*** right now.OK, you don't exist to me.You don't exist to me.

That's the last thing I'm going to hear.

Didn't Greenlight Destiny 3.Without Destiny 3, whether, you know, even if the post Final Shape plans were better than they were, I think, you know, Tony and Bungie would have had to live with a significantly reduced player base going forward.It did.you know, I think they should have figured this out better.I think if they were able to do at least some reasonable kind of DLC, like a larger DLC and then something like the episodes they did, which in hindsight feel like a bounty from God in terms of the content they provided compared to what we've had.I don't think we'd be where we are right now.

I don't think the game would have collapsed that quickly.I don't think we would have just crashed to these horrifically low player counts.But like, The planning wasn't there.The resources weren't there.

all right now we're making a d3 do you realize the bullshit we would have put up with if we were told we're making a d3 you realize that i would have been like get echoes episode it's shit but we got d3 coming be playingaround and revving and be like, yeah, you know, it's all right.But we got D3 right around the corner, right?I be turning into balls and Kepler and be like, not my favorites, but we got D3 coming around the corner.You see where I'm coming from?We would put up with so much knowing that a D3 was around the corner.

I still think the portal was to blame for the player count.No, guys.I mean, yeah, the portal didn't help, but heresy, like all the episodes showed lower numbers.Heresy kind of picked it up a bit.But the reality is, it's like Destiny 2 had concluded.It was time.

Bungie knew it was time.Hell, even the articles we read, Bungie themselves told Sony, back around the Final Shape, they were trying to get D3 Greenlit.And probably even before then.I would assume even before, I would assume well before Final Shape.

And...The issue now is like, OK, say there's not even that many layoffs and like Destiny 3 does get greenlit, does go into incubation starting now.While it may not need a lot of people working on it now, Bungie would have to staff up very heavily to make something that is a full sequel to Destiny.And it can be like, oh, well, then the coin will flip and Marathon will fail and all those developers will go back to Destiny.And like that, that exact scenario of just flipping everything like that seems unlikely.But Also, when Destiny 2 was being developed, the company was well over 1 ,000 people that were almost all exclusively working on Destiny.

It was the Activision days where they had actual support studios.They had a ton of resources thrown into them to make that happen.You can't just be like, OK, you three to 400 people who are currently working on Destiny, time to build Destiny 3.You need way more than that for the type of game you need to make that isn't just like Destiny 2 .3 or something, like it would have to be a full sequel.I think the main two points of frustration here I think number one is Bungie leadership.If we're going to pinpoint anyone, obviously, I think it's Pete Parsons, who way overvalued Bungie and sold it to Sony and made out like a bandit and was behind, you know, a lot of these poor longer term decisions that we are seeing play out now.

I think the rest of Bungie can kind of is worked with what they've gotten.But I think mismanagement under Parsons was a huge, huge part of this.The fact that Marathon took this much time, this much money, period, it was almost set up to fail, or at least not set up to be a big hit, which I don't think is the developers working on Marathon's fault, because clearly they made a solid extraction shooter, but the way it got here and the expectations on it were not appropriate.The other thing is Sony.I think Sony is being stingy with a company they paid three point six billion for, because that seems like a company you should back kind of, you know, relentlessly in order to you could say it's throwing good money after bad.I guess I can see that position, but it's frustrating when this is a company that allows all of its single player studios to wait three, four or five years between games and sequels and whatever to sell, you know, however many millions of copies for a game people will play for.

15, 20, 30 hours and move on.And like, great, I love those games, but you're not going to provide that sort of leeway and security for Bungie trying to make a Destiny 3, which I very much believe would be a huge hit and would also be a live service that does not seem destined to fail like so many other live services.If Sony was being forward thinking, I think even now, even if they didn't green light it two years ago, that should be what they commit to.And at least now they're not.And I think that is a big mistake from Sony.And I don't know.

I don't know if they're like pissed at Bungie, like if they're just like doing this out of spite because of how things have gone.But It seems pretty logical to me that if you're going to, you know, give Guerrilla another five years to make a third Horizon game or something, like give Bungie the resources and time to make a sequel that is very likely to be a big live service hit in an era where that is increasingly difficult.I mean, this is a series that has had a community that spans 10 years and has been a huge success.Like, yeah, the last period of time has been awful, but, you know, this was a game that so many other games tried to emulate and almost all of them failed.And there's, you know, life in it.I guess you could, I understand the argument of like Bungie doesn't want to make Destiny forever.

Sure.But Bungie also wants to continue to exist.If there was some big replacement plan for Destiny in the works.Like if Marathon had been not just an extraction shooter, if it had been, you know, a game on the scale of Destiny to be like, oh, we're in this new world and like, we have these modes and like, there's this campaign and like these activities.I think that would have been a different story.And like, okay, that's when you fully move on from Destiny.

This isn't like the whole, like, I wish this is what it was thing.Like, I'm just saying if that was what happened, I think it would have been more logical to not greenlight Destiny 3, and development on Destiny 2, and thenwe're like, OK, we're in the marathon era now.I do think the goal now is to grow marathon past where it is now, as I said.But I mean, you're not going to grow it to the scale of what I just said here.And if they wanted to just like throw all those resources in the marathon of the marathon universe, like I would be OK with that.

I mean, again, like you don't need hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of developers on an extraction mode.But just any sort of investment in something, especially what I would consider a really cool world like Marathon.If we're not going to do more, Destiny would be, I think, a worthwhile endeavor.But the impression I'm getting is like Sony is just like sick of bungee shit.And, you know, Layoffs are coming.They're not switching everyone to some big new projects, no matter what it is.

And then Marathon is skating on very thin ice.I have said this whole time, I think Marathon is going to get a year to prove itself, to try and find a base and stuff.But like after that, it's sort of anyone's guess what happens.And I sure hope something would be officially greenlit within the next year for Bungie that they could start working on.But, you know, obviously, just because something's greenlit or in production doesn't mean it'll survive.But, you know, I don't know.

It's frustrating.And I'm not even 100 % sure what the best case scenario is. I think it's just marathon.

I'll keep hoping to lay out or announce.Yeah, it's, it's gonna happen, man.It's gonna happen.Even some of the bungee devs are already coming out and like making comments, not necessarily announcing that they're getting laid off right now.But they're making comments and stuff.So there's stirrings and turns it around.

There's some new important project to work on.Maybe Sony even just agrees to be like, okay, maybe in the end we will greenlight Destiny 3, but there are no indications that are happening, especially now with.amount of people that have been working on Destiny and the amount of layoffs that are about to happen.That is not where we're going unless there's some drastic shift in policy.So none of this is fun to hear.None of this is fun to report.

But I think we all sort of need a reality check about like it's not just Destiny 2 ending.It's like the future is not amazing in its current state.And I just don't want people to have too much optimism.I guess that all of this is leading to some sort of like secret Destiny 3 reveal or that's definitely going to be the next step or whatever.Like that is not the case right now.No indication it will be, period.

But it sucks.I think this has ended poorly.I think there was a way to do this where the community would not be like it is now, where if there was a planned conclusive ending to Destiny 2, the final shape, and then we heard Destiny 3 was coming, we'd be like, okay, I mean, we're pretty chill, stopping Destiny 2, we get it's going to maintenance mode, like we're looking forward to Destiny 3, let's move on, let's play Marathon, let's go to other games, like, cool, and we'll be back to Destiny.But that is not where we are, that is not the plan that panned out.So anyway, a lot more to say, I promise I will be positive at some point and talk about the history of Destiny, how much it means to me, that kind of stuff, but I'm not quite there yet and we'll, we'll see.But yeah.

Thank you, Paul.Thank you for the video and your thoughts.Former Destiny dev says ex -CEO Pete Parsons was the real Destiny killer after Bungie ends live service developments.Marko here from Zuhod.Former Destiny 2 senior narrative designer Robert Brooks criticized ex -Bungie CEO Pete Parsons after Bungie announced the end of Destiny 2 live service developments.Bungie officially announced yesterday that Destiny 2 is finally

live service content update will launch on June 9, 2026.After that, active development on Destiny 2 will come to an end, though the game will remain playable.Bungie describes the update as a send -off for the long -running game, with new rewards, Pantheon 2 .0, Raid and Dungeon loot updates, sandbox changes, and the return of Spiral Racing League.has been.Many current and former Bungie developers have started sharing their thoughts online.And one former senior Destiny 2 narrative designer clearly is not happy with how things ended.

Former Bungie narrative designer takes aim at Pete Parsons following Destiny 2's final update announcements.The comment comes from Robert Brooks, a former senior narrative designer on Destiny 2.Brooks posted on Blue Sky following the Bungie announcement, taking direct aim at former Bungie CEO, Pete Parsons.Parsons stepped down from Bungie in 2025, with Justin Truman taking over as the studio's new head.It turns out the real Destiny killer was ex -CEO, Pete Parsons.This is not the only Destiny related comment Brooks has made recently.

In another exchange on the XT, he responded to a fan talking about a possible Zivu or Rath campaign and raid.If you play things like season, the witch, everything was, was leading to that, to Zivu, especially now that she's like in her mortal state.You'd be surprised how many times this was pitched for Destiny 2.Brooks worked on Destiny 2 from 2020, 2024, with credits spanning from Beyond Light through episode Revenant.That detail has made the situation more painful for some fans.Zivu arrived as long as seen as one of Destiny's biggest unresolved villains, and many players expected her to eventually get the same kind of major story treatment as Oryx and Xavithun.

Instead, Destiny 2 is now heading toward its final live service updates.Top of it all, this Bloomberg report claims Bungie is planning significant layouts after Destiny 2 development ends, and that Destiny 3 is not currently in development.a handful of times, so as some of my other creators.Datto's probably been there the most.I personally never met Pete once, and that says something, because I'll just let you know, I said years ago, some of those meetings were big meetings.They weren't just like capture events.

They were big decision meetings, big meetings, and I'm not trying to fucking peacock here or anything like that.What I'm saying is, it told me something many years ago when I was like, damn, the head guide is not even here in these meetings right now.You know what I'm saying?That always bothered me.Not that the other people weren't important, but flip this over.Go look at Digital Extreme.

Look how present Steve is.You guys talking shit about Tyson?At least my experience, I've never met someone more present.Tyson, unfortunately, was handed the job of being captain of the Titanic after it already hit the iceberg.And I know a lot of people are not going to believe that.I know a lot of people want to string up f***ing Tyson right now.

But the guy really cares.And he was really present.Put it to you like this, he had to pull teeth just to have the, uh, the damage testing area added to Destiny.Can you believe that shit?

Crazy, dude.F***ing crazy.

I -I didn't, guys.That's why, like, I -I want - I'm gonna be honest, like, I feel like I've done such a shitty job right now.I went live this morning to talk to you guys about it, but I -I have - I'm just here, man. I'm like, I -I have no solutions.

I've got no solutions.

I got no sol - June is probably gonna be the last time we really play Destiny.I promise we're gonna have a good time.I'm probably gonna have Liam come in there and mess around and play some Destiny with us like he did last year.Primarily because the game's probably not gonna be around.Sony probably has a master plan.I don't think so, Stein.

I don't think there's some master plan.I don't think there's some elaborate plan.I don't think that Sony's like, oh yes, we're gonna bait him into thinking that everything is over.Just to be like, psych!We're making a D3.I just don't, I don't think it's happening.

All I can ask for is this.Bungie, please leave Destiny in the best state possible.Give us some better artifact mods too.Cause man, I can't be using these damn sword artifact mods forever.Jesus Christ.I really wish you guys would nerf Night Stalker Hunters.

Just like, I don't know, just go to there and just fight.them at the knees, man.Just, you know what I'm saying?One time and leave them like that forever.Oh, I've got like a wish list of like sandbox changes I want before you guys are done.But just try to leave Destiny in the best place possible.

And I know that's what you guys are probably doing.And then that's it, guys.What you play, when you pick up D1, think about how that game was not changed at all.and damn near a decade.That's how it's gonna be for Destiny 2.And hopefully it doesn't get pulled offline.

But that's how it's gonna be for Destiny 2.For who knows how long.You see Tassie's tweet just now?That is so f***ing shit.Yo, DMG, I promise I won't be mad about for how long did people know this was coming.I understand the commercial reasons for having to be quiet, but I genuinely would be curious to know how early it was communicated internally.

Tassie says almost all of Bungie did not know about this until it was announced.Jesus Christ.

I mean, without a doubt, it came from Sony.

What happened yesterday?We were talking about a D3.Layoffs.Layoffs.I told you guys.I told you guys.

I was very positive.Very positive.But if layoffs were going to be announced, then that was going to be, that would be the nail in the coffin.I was like, all right, take what this article is saying.But Bloomberg's already reported on the layoffs.Schreier, who's been very, very accurate with these kind of things.

The fact that he's calling it significant layoffs tells me that potentially the entire Destiny team at Bungie is going to get laid off.We don't know number -wise.We don't know number -wise.But I mean, if it's the entire Bungie team, what would that be, 350 people?Yeah, I saw this, man.Oh, Joseph Cross put this up.

Not sure if I posted these, but I had the privilege of designing the class icons back in the day.I still lose sleep over the rounding the Titan corners.Can you believe that?I didn't know Joseph Cross did these icons.How wild is that, man?I like Joe a lot.

I've had the pleasure of sitting down and chatting with him.Some people in this world you'll meet that just sees the world differently.You don't want to just tell by the way they look.interact with others and the way they see things and the way they talk about.You almost see like their eyes.They just see things a little bit differently and you could tell that artistically he just saw things so differently.

Oh, this is interesting.These are the list of dormant Sony IPs.

Are y 'all ready for this?The dormant Sony IP graveyard.Bloodborne, 2015.Killzone, last entry was Shadowfall, 2013.Resistance, trilogy in it, 2012.Infamous, second son, 2014.

Sly Cooper, Thieves in Time, 2013.Jak and Daxter, Ape Escape, Twisted Metal, Medieval, SoCalm, Motorstorm, Wipeout, Siphon Filter, Legend of Dragoon, Concord.How many do we count, Concord?

The thing is though, it's like...

That's my concern, is that Destiny is just going to join the graveyard of all these other IPs and then just die.And my question to Sony on this is, why?What's the point of owning Destiny if you're not gonna do something with it?Or all these other games, all these other IPs.Why?I mean, seriously guys, at this point, Sony, you spent $3 billion on the Tiger Engine?

Really?I mean, that's really what you're gonna get?That's what's left?This is the same company that wanted to pull Spider -Man from the MCU?

What?

Oh my God, I didn't, I had no idea.In 2019, Disney proposed a 50 -50 co -financing deal for future MCU Spider -Man films.Sony refused.Sony proposed keeping the arrangement going under the current terms where Marvel received roughly 5 % of first dollar gross.Disney refused.The partnership broke.

Spider -Man was effectively out of the MCU.Sony just simply didn't want to share its biggest franchise and was willing to torch the most successful Spider -Man arrangement in history rather than give Disney a bigger profit cut.God damn.What saved it?Get this.Fan backlash was massive, and Bob Eager revealed that Tom Holland himself called him to advocate for a deal, which led to Eager calling Sony's leadership and pushing for a resolution.

Damn.I will think on this this weekend, boys.I will think on this.If we must riot, we shall.And we need to do it in the correct way, the appropriate way.Let me think on this.

We need to be strategic about this.And I will get back to you.I will be back Monday.

God damn it.

Calling a demolition a priority one.

Come on, come on, get in.Let's go.

Come on.Close the doors.

My God.Look, you guys, I want you all to have a good weekend though, alright?I want you all to have a wonderful Memorial Day.And I know that a lot of this is gonna weigh on all of you.I can tell you right now, it was really, really eating me up last night.It still, it still hit me.

But it's nice to just jump in here and talk with you guys, talk with you all about all this.Cause, you know, I don't feel like anyone really, like I said, I'm about to go hang out with family and they're gonna be like, oh, your video game's getting shut down.Oh, okay.But nobody gets it unless they've actually played it, man.Like nobody gets this shit.Nobody gets it.

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