Indra Jegel Overthinking Jadi Bapak

Today I'm with Indra JGL. How are you, Indra JGL? Hi, I'm good. But I'm sorry, my voice is a bit hoarse. Too many jobs. I sing now.

Oh, you sing.

You make it sound like you're a singer. Sing a song, please. A Mandarin song? Yes, is there?

Yes.

What is it? It's Metro Garden. This one Metro Garden Oh yeah Metro Garden That one?

Metro Garden

No, definitely not But I want to highlight you Lately I've seen your clips You make a lot of restaurants in Indonesia become famous

Seriously

First, Unagi with Shiladara Unagi and Shiladara became famous

Unagi and Shiladara, that's the name now

Unagi and Shiladara Unagi that you said is very popular You yourself complained that you are waiting list Monthly And last time with Akila With Akila, just was only a day ago.

But they said that the restaurant was very crowded. People commented, don't let people know. I'm sure it was very crowded. Until 6.30, or 6.30. Because I saw that there were a lot of people. I think this is a business strategy for you.

You make a restaurant, which you actually it like this. People will come there. I'll build a Raditya Dika store. So people won't know that it's mine. It's Raditya Dika's store.

Okay, Raditya Dika's store. Or Hanisa Aziz's husband's store. It's the same. But how do you know that Unagi is not mine? I'm the one who owns it. I'm suspicious. He's actually the CEO of Zalm's family.

No, no.

But the owner, I met the owner, Una, and he said, thank you, it's getting crowded. No, people are... There's no more fat-seeking team in Indonesia. People are looking for fat, you know. Like, because of Radit, I have to look for fat in the morning,

and in the afternoon, I have to look for a belly in the morning, afternoon, and evening

I have to look for a belly in the morning, afternoon, and evening

But is it Uti who wants to eat there? Who is it?

Oh, you too?

Oh, his wife, his wife wants to eat Your wife?

April's wife

What's the date of the booking?

December, sir

December got April

I told you, months What's your wife's name? April, right? April, yes Panda April April Panda, right

Why?

Why?

Why?

You can ask, what do you want to ask? You want to ask me? I'm a bit deep in this question I've prepared a question from home

I think

I think...

Why are you wearing a backdress? This is not comfortable

And this is like a sundress Why are you wearing a backdress?

I'm afraid of being seen I'm afraid of being seen It's weird It's weird After we... We used to be close I used to hang out with you a lot when you were in The Guys and other movies

And we had our own busy lives You were a bit different and a bit different too Yeah, I was a bit different But you changed a lot when I got married and had a kid Oh, that was before I got married, when I was doing a project with you Yes, that's right

What's the fear of a Raditya Edhika becoming a father? Thank you, Manachua. No, no, no. My fear as a father. Your fear as a father. Because this is also felt in me.

I have a child who is the same age as Lea. Yes, that's right. Nene is the same age as Alea. Yes, that's right. Nena is... Nani. Nani.

It's upside down.

What are your fears or what do you overthink as a father? Because that's the most... I'm very afraid that I can't help Alea and Aca to reach their best potential. I'm afraid that I'm wasting... I'm afraid that their potential is wasted because I can't help them get there. You're afraid the potential is wasted because you can't facilitate the potential?

Either facilitate, identify, what is it? The point is, I don't understand what his potential is. I'm afraid of that. Well, to know the potential of children, what do you do? If I... What about you?

I think... But you're afraid of the same thing, right? Same. I heard this word cut, I've actually said it before. About the potential of children. Then from there I tried my son to enter all fields.

Because you want to cut me? Yes, the point is that that's one of the reasons. No, you just want to try it. I don't want to try it, but that's the basics. Why would I let him join all the fields if there's no basis for that? It's not logical.

First, I let him do music, sports, swimming, drawing, I let him do all of that. Until today, I still don't know what he's talking about. What do you do? I also put him in a lot of... he has a basketball lesson and all that. I don't know what he's talking about either.

So it's like this.

So what do you do?

I have a problem. I can't tell which difference between interest and potential. That's my problem. Interest and potential? Yes. The difference between interest and potential?

It's like this. Oh, it's like a couple.

A couple.

So it's a couple. For example, if Aksara is a basketball player. Aksara? Okay. Yes, Aksara. His brother is not. His brother is a tennis player. His brother is a tennis player, his brother is a basketball player.

Yes.

You're sweet, I'm surprised.

Hahaha.

Wow.

Wow.

Yes, because I let him play basketball, he's good at playing. Okay. He can score a goal and all. But on the weekend, he's a bit lazy. Can I not play basketball today? I'm too lazy. Can I play this? I want to play.

I want to do that. We tried it first, we've been together for a long time. And he's still not happy. But it means I'm confused. I'm thinking, does he have potential in basketball? Because he's actually good at basketball.

He can. Or I misunderstood the meaning of potential as interest. So if he's not interested, there's no potential there. Okay, with the assumption that he's not interested, there's no potential in that. Okay. Assuming that he's not interested in playing basketball. So what? So there's no potential.

So there's no potential in that. Yeah, so I'm confused. Should I still take basketball lessons or not? I'm afraid it's just a matter of his interest. It's just a matter of liking it for a while. Just a matter of liking it for a while,. Just a matter of liking it for a short time, but it turns out it has potential there.

It turns out if I force it, it means like, that's it, Cak, just try it. It turns out he's really good there. But on the other hand, I also feel as a parent, Why doesn't he like it? Why doesn't he want it? Why doesn't he like it?

Isn't it better for me to be like you, I've read more about it to know what he likes. And who knows, he might end up having his potential in what he likes. So I'm really confused. How to determine if a child is in the right place to end his potential, regardless of whether he's interested or not. I'm confused about that. We have the same confusion.

What's the solution? There's no solution. No. Just keep it a secret. We can't call anyone. No one. I'm like that too. I'm a padel lover. I like to swim.

Then, one day, he said, don't swim. I asked, do you like it? He said, padel. I was so happy. I wore a padel jacket. Every Friday, he asked, when is the padel?

You were interested, right? Yeah, I was like, no need for padel. Bored? Bored, or whatever.

But he was good at hitting, he was always hit.

If we were there, we should have hit him. Hit his friend's head. I mean, if we were there, we would be the same. What are we doing here? Yeah, I mean, I don't know!

Bro, here's the thing.

But there's one decision I've made.

What have you made?

Aksa doesn't do boxing anymore. He used to do boxing. Yeah, in Ampera. Why didn't you let him do it? Because there's someone who plays padel, and he got hit in the head. Your friend? Yes, my friend. Because he looked very uninterested. Okay.

He was really lazy. He seemed to be very uninterested. Not happy, right? It looked like it. Rather than wasting money, you're not interested, let's just pull it. Yes, so if that's the case, I already have a decision.

Well, this basketball, because he's good. Here's the thing. I'm being a mirror to myself. Like we can say that Indra Jagil's potential is in comedy. In comedy stand-up. You have achieved your potential there. In the film industry, you are in comedy. You are in Aga Lain 2, Indonesia's number one.

Alhamdulillah. Indonesia. So, this indirejagil has its potential.

Okay.

Okay?

Okay.

Do you get help from your parents? How? I can get a lot of help from my parents. For example, like facilitating or liberating.

Yes.

That's also... That's the role of parents. Help. Help. Or freeing up. That's the role of parents. It's like a help.

Because there are parents who...

Have to be punished. Yes, and they don't free up. For example, don't do that, you have to come here. If not, I'll be angry, our relationship is not good. So by freeing up, it's also a help, right? It can be like that.

Moral help. So you feel that way. If you think of it that way, yes, it's true. Okay, so at least your parents give moral support without blocking your way. Yes, that's it. Now imagine if you have been included in things that help you in this comedy. For example, you've been taught acting, you've been in the theater, you've been in the bar,

and all that. Will you be able to reach your potential faster? And maybe you can have more films or more success than you have now. You've already reached your amazing potential, right? If you're pulled further, meet a comedy faster,

maybe your potential can be better than now. I found my potential in storytelling, in writing, in storytelling. I've been writing since I was a kid. In facilitated? Not explicitly facilitated, but I was morally supported by my family. I wasn't taught to write.

I don't think there was a writing class like that. But my mom didn't stop me from being what I wanted to be. My dad too. So, how do I know his potential in writing, comedy, photography, etc. But I've seen it before. And I helped him to accelerate it from this age. Well, it's the same for us.

Because back then, if I was working with my parents, they might want to, but the factor is the economy. So they don't see that, they're busy working. Now, we have a lot of time, and thank God, we to direct our children to that direction. That's the dilemma now.

Why? Because we don't know what to do with our children. How to do it? When I have time, when I have money, how to direct them? Now, because of the dilemma between interest versus potential, I think I changed my mind.

I went back to my interest first. Your interest first, what he wants first. Because if he wants, he will learn more and like to explore what he is interested in.

So I tried to go back to learn things that he's interested in.

So I'm going to try to go back to that. Okay, okay. Alea, his interest is actually to show off. He likes to show off. He likes to be in front. He likes to be in front, he likes to organize, he likes to arrange people, he likes to arrange his friends.

We go to school at 9 o'clock, ma'am. He's the head of the school. Is it a joke? He likes that kind of thing. He has a sense of being a leader, right? Because at school, he likes to be the leader.

He often becomes the leader. In a few days. So, it's obvious. So, I already have a pet for Alea. I have started to offer, do you want us... Although I don't know if it will show up or not. But do you want us to teach, for example, acting lessons?

Do you want to teach something that is creative? For example, he likes crafting too. Okay. or a craft class. For example, he likes crafting. So, this kid is more like an artist. He likes crafting, drawing, acting, he likes to record his own videos, like telling his story,

and he never publishes it, just for us. But it means he has an interest to go there, to create something. And from there, I can already tell. I can already tell that Alia is like this. Her interest.

Her interest. Created. I will offer things related to this.

That's right.

That's why now what I do with Alia, I buy toys that are DIY. DIY. Make DIY, DIY. I made my own slime.

Like IKEA?

Right. Renovation of the neighbor's house. I made it myself. There are many kinds. If you check the marketplace, there are many toys that I made myself. There are also slime In the malls, there are also toys that are made from scratch,

and then the doll is brought home. Yes, something like that. And it looks like her eyes are blinking when she's making something. And she has a lot of experiments. Later, the slime is mixed with what, put in the fridge, put in what, all kinds of things.

So she has a lot of experiments. So, we're back to the topic of interest. So, now I'm starting to go that way. I think it's more about what he likes first, than I'm looking for where he's good at.

Okay, I understand.

Because you're good and you like it, are they two different things? Yes, yes. But, it know, like... There are people who say, if I wasn't pushed to be like this, I wouldn't be anything.

You know, there are people like that. If I wasn't pushed by God to train badminton, I wouldn't be an athlete. But are you confident? No, I'm not. The problem is I'm not confident.

That's the problem. How? Sometimes, freedom makes you more comfortable. Freedom makes the child more comfortable? Yes, it can be like that. Fortunately, my wife is very strict.

She's fast. She's like this, like this, like this. She's fast. Your wife is the same as you. Like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like this, like Why don't you go home? So that's it. Okay, I'll do that. I'll look for my interest first.

It's up to you.

You're the one who's responsible.

That's why I'm being a bump.

It's about your son's life. Well, it's all thanks to Radit. If it's possible. If it's not, it's all thanks to you. But, so,

I see that for now, I'm more interested in him than where he was good at. Because if I look at myself, I'm also interested in storytelling. I'm interested. I like to read books. Interested in what eventually became like now, right? Yes, I think the depth is there.

Because I have a curious feeling inherent there. So, the problem is, there is...

Aca.

Aca really likes animals. Like the dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are memorized. All dinosaurs are memorized, all animals are memorized, separated depending on the animal ecosystem. So I don't know, he's interested in animals.

Where is it going?

Yes. Right was he going? Yes! Right? Safari park. Why did he buy a donkey? Maybe this is... He became a trainer for ebel.

He's a cobra.

Cobra.

Yes, that's right. If that's the case, we're going to be brainwashed again. Yes, or zoology or whatever, but we don't know either. And I'm not in a position where I'm interested in my child is something that our economy needs and there is a job opportunity or not.

That's another dilemma. Yes, that's right, that's another dilemma. Because like us, how did we how to write a stand-up comedy and have a job. Right?

Yes.

My parents were like, it's okay. Your parents are fine too. Yes. But I didn't know that if my kid grows up, I suddenly want to be this. I want to be a YouTuber.

How? That's why I'm not in that balance yet. If your kid wants to be a YouTuber, what do you do? What we assume is that this is not a... Maybe for you, it's been a long time, but you can scale everything, right?

From YouTube and others. But you have the foundation that storytelling and writing. That's what you have. Meanwhile, we know that our child doesn't have writing and storytelling. But he wants to be a YouTuber. He wants to be a YouTuber reviewer blender, for example.

For example.

A very specific review. Reviewing his friend, for example.

For example.

What do you do, Bang?

YouTuber, right? I'm a real YouTuber. YouTuber. What we don't want to look for a job, I want to be a YouTuber. Right, we don't even know if the output is a real YouTuber or a fake YouTuber. There are also fake YouTubers. Who's that? Okay, okay, okay. Let me think.

I might give him... ...all I know about this industry. And I give him time to think again. How long do you want to chase this? Let's say 2 years. If you haven't hit this milestone in 2 years,

how many views, for example, or how much money you get from AdSense or whatever.

There's a GPI, right?

Yes, because you have to have data to determine whether this is something that is worth continuing or anything. So there's a GPI, right? Yeah, you have to have data to determine whether this is something that is worth continuing or not. Yeah. Right? But it's fun, right?

But if for example...

But I think this conversation is fun. Let's just start, okay? No, let's start from the beginning.

No, we just started.

We've been talking for a while.

No, we've been talking about this for a while No, we've been talking about this for a while Not yet Serious?

No

No, but I'm an expert in that field If I were you Okay, what's the example? This is about time, the problem is it's about time If it's two years, let's say I give you a hint for two years If we don't get to this point and we don't have to close it,

then it's a tie.

This is all hypothetical. I mean, it's still in my mind and it hasn't happened yet. So I don't know what my feelings will be like. Because sometimes what we talk about now, if there's a situation, the answer and feelings are different. For example, I came back from Surabaya and I had an agreement with Anissa.

We won't buy any more toys for Alea and Acha this month because there are too many toys already. Okay. I said, I won't. So, if he said, Dad, I want toys, I can say no. There are too many toys this month. When we got home, Dad bought toys.

Which one do you want? You choose. So, The feelings are different, right? I've had a lot of offers this month When I got home, my dad bought me a toy He asked me which one I wanted, and I chose it So, it's a different feeling, right? Yeah, it's really hard I'm sorry, I'm talking to a person with a high-overthinking But we have to be overthinking like that Because, Fadhil is also quiet

He's thinking about his kid We're the same, we're almost the same age It's not that different, right? What's the name of this guy? Who's this guy? He's actually in daycare now. Oh yeah, I saw him. That's also something that...

I mean, you have to think about the future. You have to think about it. What I felt the most was... I think it's everyone's feeling, but I don't know if the parents in the past thought about this or not. The circle of child friendship goes forward.

Oh yeah, I just talked to Nisa. That's it. Do you have any thoughts about that? This is really vague, but this is your thoughts, guys. Let me think about it. What can you limit? I mean, what can you give to Alea to keep it on the road?

Okay, I'll go back to the foundation first. So there's a book that I read, it's my hold until now, the title is Triverse. Why are there children who are snake and bite, who can bite, who have grit, have a bite. And there are children who don't. In the book, it is described some foundations of children who have a mental thinking of a fighter.

Okay.

The first is... Fight mental. That's the English word, right? Okay, sorry. He has empathy. He can feel what others feel and act according to his empathy.

Then he knows what he is good at. And he is in a state that is constant to fix what he lacks. The things he is good at. And he... And all of that is obtained from his family. There are several variables.

Okay, so this family is the one who has to build it? Well, it means we don't know. We don't know what his friends are like. We don't know the opportunities outside for him to work. We don't know if he wants to be a YouTuber or whatever. We don't know the choices.

But what we do know is, can we build his foundation to be a child like Gigi? That's an element that can really be in our control right now. That's the foundation that we can control as parents and as usual at home. In my opinion. Okay, empathy, have the awareness to change and become better.

Yes, there's the growth mindset. Basically, he has the awareness of what he's good at and can empathize with people. That's the benchmark. But there are many more in the book of Triverse. There are several more pillars.

So if we think about things outside our control, which is his schoolmate or his career choice later, we will stress ourselves. So we think in our control, can we build the child with the foundations of the foundation earlier. For example, by getting used to him to tell what it is

transparently and openly to us. To us, whatever. Whatever. So if he tells, we can correct. If for example he does us, we can correct him. If he does something that we think is not right, or his friend does something that we think is not right. And it happened.

It happened, for example, his friend pushed someone else, or something like that. What did he do? Did he report to the police? Have he tried to resolve the conflict with your friend? We had a discussion about that.

Then he took it to school, and we applied it to him. We asked him again later. That's a filter from us to know what life is like for a child. We have corrections, right? Yes. So what we can do is that. Can we make the child, in my opinion,

I'm just making this up, I don't understand anything. Can we make the child have a good foundation at home with all the principles and values of his life, which is what we give from home with the corrections we did. And second, do you want would he be open to tell us whatever happens in his life

without being shy or afraid? That's it. Yeah, that's another PR. The will is another PR. Yes, because there's a book I read, that kid, when he was still a kid,

until he was a teenager, he told his friend to his parents. When he was a teenager, he told her parents about her friend. When she was young, she told her parents about her friend. My heart is broken. Listen to this. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. My dad is like this. When my dad was in line 17, he... I have a lot of friends. But thank God, he was in line 17.

I know, right?

I'm trying to make Alea, when he was a teenager, or Aca when he was a teenager, he told me about his friend too. Even though he told his friend about you. It's up to them. Now he told me about his friends, but that's my behavior. But that's it, I mean, it's hard.

Yes, it's hard. If what you said is true, if we don't know, if the time later, the feeling is different, the moment is different, we don't know what the answer is. Yes, but there are already dilemmas that come to me, like for example, he and his friend,

then he told me that Alia has two best friends. But one of them is far away now. Because he has a new best friend. Do you feel sad when you respond to that? Are you a buffer? If I'm a buffer, you know, if he told me that Nani was going to kick him out, but he didn't kick Nani back. I was like, why is your friend like that? Why is that? Who is his parents?

What is the education of his parents? Oh yeah? Because he's just a buffer. Oh, really? So, like, what I'm not accompanied, like that. If I'm not, I'm more like, like, how is it?

Like, for example, Ale has his own fears. Like, for example, he wants to go to elementary school. From preschool to elementary school. I was afraid, what if there was bullying? I was afraid, what if there was this?

You already thought about it?

Yes, because... Educated? I was educated about bullying, what if there was bullying, what should I do? So I was afraid of it myself. For example, you were told to go camping in Cibubur. If there's a ghost, don't run. But because of that, you're thinking. What if there's a ghost?

So, in school, they were told systematically. If there's a bullying report, what to do? But because of that, he thinks. If you're in elementary school, the grade is higher. What if this?

Oh, really?

Yes. What do you do? What if I'm not the smartest in the room? He said. I was so sad. I was confused. But I told him, we don't have to be the smartest in the class. We just have to be the most hardworking.

Because I told him in my high school, in my 70s, I was the smartest. I was the smartest in my class. I was the smartest in my class. in class, we just have to be the most hardworking. Because I also told my story in high school, in high school I was the most blown. In my classmates, all of them were smart.

So I said, it's the same, my dad was also like that in school. There's always someone smarter than us. But what determines whether we are good or not, we have the business or not. So it just makes it more realistic. So if the case is that his friend is keeping him away, compared to me being busy, I can say that it's a reality of life. You will be disappointed by many people.

So you have to be able to respond to when the disappointment comes. Yes, that's right. can have a response how to be disappointed. I don't know. I don't know if it's right or wrong. I don't understand. Maybe outside there, the right psychological rules for children are let them feel the greatest. I don't know either.

But that's what I believe in principle. In principle and at home, right? For me, because, For example, playing... Are you in the first or second grade? First grade. My son is in the second grade.

So, there are competitions between the younger brothers. Like playing Ludo. Playing Ludo. And then, Aca has to win. Aca has to win. And we have to correct that. The important thing is to have fun, not to win.

But he still won. So, you're a loser, if you play with Aca. But that's also the point, if the kid is... So, what should I say... Many people say that the son is our reflection. Whether we pamper him too much or not.

At one point, did you ever get angry? The biggest one, with Aca Amal. I did, I got angry. Because he was drinking medicine, but he was slapped.

What was that? Anger?

Did you get angry at him? I was angry. I said, don't be like that. You're going to get mad at me.

That's it?

Yes, what else? Not the high pitch like our parents did? No, no. I told you. The one that carried the stick? Like an electric chair.

That's it.

It's a bit troublesome.

But it's like this.

The plug. Like, pay for electricity. It's a bit complicated, but it's how it should be.

Don't plug it in. So you never get angry with your kids? I don't get angry. But if I'm firm, yes. And I say I'm angry. I tell them I'm angry.

If you're angry, and Aca doesn't drink his medicine, Aca is like, why? Because if Aca is like that, you don't know how much you've taken. If you take it again, you'll know if you've taken it or not. Don't take it too much. So I told her my emotional state and my reason.

Okay.

That's it. The one who corrected her son more often was Anissa. But Anissa herself has a psychologist son. Oh yeah. She has a psychologist son here. To talk, right?

Yeah, so sometimes if I scold her like this, is it okay? So there was a discussion. Have you ever scolded her? One moment that made me cry. Oh yeah? More because I was worried been angry. There was one moment that made me cry. Oh yeah? Because I was worried about him.

What happened? He jumped off the sofa. He was told not to jump off the sofa. He jumped off the sofa and his legs were already slipped. There was a wall in front of him. The wall was like this. Luckily, he could quickly dodge it.

So, when I saw him in front of me, he was already like that. And he was like that.

He immediately moved.

Yes, he responded quickly. But if it was late or he was in a hurry, I would say, he was already time. I was quite... I was told. That was spontaneous. Spontaneous, right.

That's the response I regret to this day. Because you're so high. So high. But you're stiff. I tend to... It's just my voice that's in between...

But you're still standing. Yeah, I'm still standing. And then you cry. It was only my voice that was between the TV. And he cried? He cried, I was supposed to be the one who calmed him down. But he ran away because I was angry. That was the first time? He was 4 or 3 years old.

How many days did he cry? the toilet? I was scolded yesterday. I don't know what he was doing. But after that, I was like, this is the memory of him. He was afraid. But after that, I didn't use high pitch,

but I just used both.

Have you ever been in a car?

I used falsetto. I'm kidding, guys. but more like a couple. Damn. Have you had coffee? Yes! Like that. I'm kidding, guys. I'm just kidding. This is... who is this? This is Aca. He was at the reception of my brother's wedding.

The oldest one. The girl. The one who was wearing a batak dress? Aca? Yes, with a scarf. With a scarf.

I was going going to the gym in the hotel. We got a room. I got off the elevator. I heard a cry. I was like, why am I crying? You've never cried?

I have, but it was a bit weird. Outside, but you cried like that? I opened the door, and he was sitting there. Blood was coming out of his mouth. Blood was dripping. Alisa was like,

I'm so lucky to have you. I called you. My phone was charged. I asked her why. She was playing, and there was a cut. And it hit the edge of the wall. It hit the edge of the table. It was like metal. It hit the edge of the wall. It hit the edge of the table. It was like a metal.

It hit the middle of the wall. It was a big impact. It hit the wall. Blood was everywhere. It was like... I saw the lady...

She tried to stop the blood but... Her name was... She was panicking. She was stabbed. That's when my PMR spirit came out. I went straight to bed. I took this.

There was no alcohol, but there was a ***.

Asshole.

I took a tissue.

I was pressed to get the betadine, press it, to stop the bleeding. Well, finally, it was pressed, given betadine, pressed again, and then brought to the hospital. But we don't have... How to say it? The response is...

So Anissa panicked more. Oh, didn't scold her first, but... How is the solution? Maybe because of the incident. So Anissa was more panic. Oh, you didn't scold her first, but you were like, how to solve this? Maybe because of the situation. Oh, yeah. If it's like that, you might be panic too.

But, did you scold her too?

No, I couldn't scold her.

I should solve this first. But,

because of Aca, we didn't scold her too. Why because of Aca, we got mad at him. Why because of Aca? Because he's like... His son is also like... Chill, slow. Yeah, he's slow.

But that's the first time I saw... But his scar hasn't gone away until today. Yeah, it's big. It's big, right? Yeah, it's big. It's like this.

But I can imagine if your kid, Nani, is like that, you'd be panicking. And the blood would be leaking. Yeah, if it's here. It's leaking and everything. But yeah, that's how it is. Do you have any other questions for me?

Nga Bu Burit, Nanya Nanya, we talked about the kid. How's the fasting? We're filming before the fasting.

Oh, I see.

But the name is Ngabuburit Yes, it's a show, Ngabuburit I hope it goes well, we'll see We'll see But I'm just overthinking You're talking about the kids, right?

Yes, the kids and...

How old are they?

Six No, seven Only seven years old But they're in elementary school It's about the kid, right? It's about the kid. How old is he? Six. How old is he? Seven. He's only seven. He's in elementary school. He's in elementary school. That's what I said.

I think the kid is too worried about the circle. Because he's from elementary school, he's so worried about the circle of his new friends. So he's like, where is he? He said, in my house. Why doesn't he just go to the same class as me? Please tell his mom, please tell his teacher, so he can just go to the same class as me. Meanwhile, in school, everyone has to be fired, right? So that he can get new friends.

He kept asking me questions that I think are not important. Like, who were his friends in elementary school? Maybe if he had the same friend, it's better. While if you compare it to our friends, they were patient, unsure. I think there are no more kids now. No, his friends are still there. His friends are Madison, Katia, Jason,

like North Kemang, or something like that. But he's 7 years old, so he's in elementary school at 7 years old? Or at the age of 6. At the age of 6. He was only 7 years old in December. Only 7 years old in December. 6 and a half years old, he's in elementary school.

Oh, in June, right? In June, right. When he was admitted in June, he was in elementary school. He was in my junior year. Oh, in June, right? Yes, in June. When you were accepted in June, you were in your junior year. Six and a half years. So, you were younger than Alea.

How old is Alea now? Alea is... May, 7 years old. May, 7 years old. Oh, yes. But I was really nervous about this junior year.

Because it's really different. The interaction is different. Because he moved to the upper floor. And there are a lot of adults there. From grade 1 to 4. He has a lot of friends. His friends, his brother.

So, when I was in his school, waiting for him, he was hanging out with his classmates. Really? With... With the older guys? He's hanging out with the older guys. Because the older guys have younger siblings.

And they talk to each other. Six, seven, six, seven. Your son is like that, right? Six, seven. He's an alpha.

What does six, seven mean? Six, seven. What does six, seven mean? Six, 6-7 What does 6-7 mean? Yeah, 6-7

What? We don't know If you go to your friend's house, you're done No, but they often promise to go home in the same car For example, where do you want to go? Let's go to his car, quietly Sometimes the parents are like, why are you here?

For one point, where? For example, after school, you want to go to a place. I said, just take your car. I took my car, but I didn't tell the mother. Oh yeah? My child didn't know that. My child didn't know that.

But sometimes, they are at the same parking lot, and they just ran to the car. Hey, why are you going there? They made promises. There were a few cases where the friend made a promise, but the parent didn't know. To the house?

Yes, to the friend's house. So it was like going to my house, but I didn't know. Lea was still asking for Nani. So we went to my house. But I didn't know that he was going to my house. So I messaged him, I'll go to Lea's house on Sunday.

Huh? Why do you go to Lea's house on Sunday?

He made it himself.

So the kids already made their own plans. Well, my kid's sister contacted her friend's sister. So it's between the sisters who set it up. So the sister will report to the parents. But again, we're in a hurry. Because her wish must... Then we report it to the parents. But we're the ones who are in a hurry. Because she wants to go to her friend's house.

She already made a promise. We have to ask for permission from her mother. Her friend's mother. So, we're like, let her go. So, how do we start a conversation? We just get confused. Hi, how do we start a conversation? We were just confused.

Hi, how are you? We were already arranged by the kid. I didn't know how to do it. But Anissa was the one who took care of it. Crazy, right? It's crazy nowadays.

Or it's simple, like, hi, do you want to talk to your kid about this? Yeah, no one knows. But she has a best friend. There is a best friend He has a best friend, and the point is Because at the beginning of the school, he felt like

He was not excited about the school Because his friends changed Even his friends' names were written on the wall So that he can remember his friends So it felt like the new circle is a scary figure for them. I think so. Maybe for the kids.

That's why Alea also has the same thought. What if I do this, what if I do that. I read a book called Five Pipes of Wealth. There's a graphic. The graphic shows your age, and how often you spend time with your child. How often you spend time with your child.

Our age, from the first time we have a child. Yes, and how often you spend time with your child, in an hour. So, the age of zero to 17, 16 years old, above all, sir. Because we're almost 12, 14 hours with the kids. Then, when I was 17, I went down, down, down, down, down, down, down, until I rarely met.

Like now we go to our parents once a week.

That's...

Sad, sir.

What I'm thinking. So you were only given time to be his friend.

Until I was 17.

Just his friend until he was a teenager. Because after that he was with his other friends. Like us before, right?

Yeah.

There was no time. He only had you 100% until he was 13, bro. 100% until 13 age of 13, bro. 100% until 13? Of course, because after that, he... In high school, he must have wanted to be independent, have friends, be a teenager. He just became a child, a child, like,

my dad has this, my dad has that, my dad is my boyfriend at the mall. There was a time, bro. And he's already halfway through it. Because he was already 7. How was it, Dil? Yeah, bro. It was really fast, I swear.

I swear, one year was 52 weeks. And that was my deadline to meet him. Because I was going home, we were shooting at night. I was going home, we were shooting at night. I was going home, and Alia was probably asleep. After that, I went on a tour.

I went around Indonesia on a Friday-Saturday. I only went once a month. What? I went on a weekend. So I only had a few weeks with him. While the rest of the week, for a 13-year-old, there's still a gap. So what happened? I only have a few weeks with him. While his remaining weeks for 13 years old,

there's still a gap.

So what do you do?

I can cancel my tour.

No, no. Don't.

Maximize it. What do you mean? It will end. The time with your child and the funny moments where he needs you, it will be over.

It's the same, I also think like, the knowledge of parents is like there is no one for sure. I mean, I'm confused, you know, many parents read, watch, what, because the child is very visual, right? If you read, sometimes you like to be delayed.

Even I read that book, I'm. I can't read the book. I don't know where it's going. Oh, you know that. I can't read that book. So I prefer to read it visually. Instead of reading it by myself, I prefer to listen to it.

It's like... I made a lot of mistakes. What's the example? That's like, why are there so many mistakes? What's the example? Well, it's about time. About time, sometimes, maybe there are people who can choose. But sometimes, we maximize it.

I mean, we work sometimes, we need it. The work is needed for him. This is our mind, right? I work for him. This is our mindset, right? I work for him. But you're spending time with him to work for him. How is that, Pong?

I don't know.

I'm confused. I'm stressed.

I saw a TikTok where it was a binder sale.

Binder?

Binder for album photos. Okay. So, every holiday, the photos were printed, and then put in the binder, and then given a title of the place of the holiday. For example, Bandung.

Okay. So, there's Bandung, it's a family photo, a smiley face, and everything else. It became a family memory bank. Because it won't be like that forever. So I just bought a book called Making Happy Memories. So it's a non-fiction book about how to make a beautiful memory in the head of the family,

child or wife. Even one of the biggest moments, the biggest step in my life, and as the head of the family, was the first time my son went on vacation to Japan. I saw it again, you were so cool.

That's the It felt like...

What was it?

Your style.

Why?

You were like that.

With a baggy pants.

But I thought it was cool.

But it was a pose. Yeah, a pose.

Literally a pose.

So what?

Your style was cool. That was the decision that... The decision that made me... I don't know, it was like I decided to do that. Why did you move back? Is it because of the budget? Is it because of the time?

Is it because of the choice of the country? First, it's because of ignorance, lack of courage, stupidity, I mean, I also... Because you don't know Japanese?

I don't know Japanese, I can't speak English, I can't manage my money. I'm afraid to spend money. Because I was quite traumatized after the pandemic. To spend money.

Because...

When you have a job, you don't have money. Because you don't have a budget. Yes, I don't have a budget. And during the pandemic, I didn't have a job. But we didn't know, like, I should have saved more money.

But the second Agala was 10 million. 10 times, let's say it's new. 19 thousand per ticket. Let's say it's new. Let's say it's new. But making that decision,

maybe for some people, just relax. But for's like, taking that decision, maybe for some people, there are some people who are like, just relax. But for me personally, culturally, I mean, from my parents, I've never had anything like that. So this is like a new habit. That was the first time I left my family and my wife's child abroad.

Oh yeah?

That was the first time, bro.

Singapore also didn't? No. Oh, bro. Singapore also didn't?

No.

Oh, wow.

To...

Malaysia also didn't.

Malaysia didn't.

Kuching?

No.

Kuching, Malaysia. Even though it's close to Indonesia.

No, they didn't either.

Because it's overseas. But even though it's close to Indonesia, so it's like close to Indonesia, So, I can cross the sea. Okay. This is the first time. That decision, in my opinion, is... You said it before, right? My goal is... If I'm on vacation, I don't think about the budget. I'm all about business.

Money dial. Money dial. Everything. For that, I just realized it... at the end of last year. So, it's your money dial now.

You're spending it all? All of it. Is it business or economy? First, it's still economy. Oh, at the beginning? Yes, at the beginning. But you're a bit greedy for other things? Yes, if it's there, I'm greedy.

What do you want to buy? It's up to you. Yesterday, he wanted to buy Nakata, who else? It's up to you. He's already a Nakata fan. I'm not a shopkeeper. I'm not a shopkeeper. I'm not a shopkeeper.

I'm not a shopkeeper.

Okay.

My last vacation was to Singapore with my family. It was so fun. I was so young. I have a good memory. I don't have a bad memory. I was in Singapore.

You were in Singapore. I don't have remember, because it was only in the city. Only in the city? Well, I don't really remember where I went, but I do remember the happiness and the joy of spending the holidays with my kids. So, Alea and Aca, when did you first go abroad? Do you know? You mean you remember?

I'm alive, right? There are some who are still alive. But you've been to Bali? I've been to Singapore. 3 months? 6 months? 3 months? Not yet.

6 months? I think so. 6 months you've been abroad? I was young. I don't know. I remember when I went to Japan with my mom.

It was 3 years ago. But you were already living there went to Japan with my mom, which was 3 years ago. But before that, I didn't know. But you already lived there, right? You fell off the cliff with your mom, right? With my mom, yes. I was 4 years old, no, I was 3 years old. You were 3 years old.

So, how was it for you to go to Japan with your family? I was so happy. Yeah? It's safe. I feel it. How can you use Google Translate? It turns out that my English is not that bad. Really?

Yes.

Yes, I am. But the immigration... Why? I think it's too... I think the immigration is too strict. Japanese immigration.

The immigration standard. It's so funny. Whyk. Japanese immigration. Yes, the immigration. It's the standard of immigration. Yes, all Jutek. Why?

So there's someone who...

So, when I and my son entered, he didn't...

He didn't...

He didn't say anything. Like, we use the JapanWeb, which is scanned. He didn't scan it. He just looked at it. He looked at it like, have you understood it yet? Yeah, he looked at it like, what are you doing?

And I was like, what?

I gave him my passport number. He looked at me. Maybe it's a statue. But I was like, yeah, what was it? Okay, kids, he said. Yeah, kids, I said. I'm three. Kids, me, he said. Yes, kids, I said.

I'm three. Kids, me, my wife. Kids. Yes. I don't know what. He said kids first.

He saw the passport was separated. Here, yes, my child. Kids. Look at me. I scanned it. Then he walked away.

He said, oh, so he wanted to fish your son first.

Oh.

He scanned your son and then you. But we just talked. Kids, Niem, who is this? I can say, Jihani, this is my daughter, this is me, this is my wife. Maybe there are more tourists, maybe they are tired. Is it a long queue?

It's not bad, but it's not high season. I was on January 5th, people were full, but not too crowded. And when you get out of the airport, you're like, what's wrong with you? And when we got there, we were like, we're on vacation with a family. We were like, we're finally here. We were wearing the hijab. Hijab? Or the clothes?

The clothes. We were wearing the handkerchiefs.

Why did you go straight to Japan? Why not like the ones before? Like Singapore or Malaysia? I think we both like Japan. You like it more? Yes, and a lot of people say that I have to go to Japan.

Tokyo? Tokyo, Osaka, and Kyoto. That's so cool, bro. Really. This is in my family's group, they're all excited because one of my siblings is going to Japan in February 2027. February 2027, next year?

Yes.

I'm free, that's safe.

It's good if you're with Edgar.

How are you, Edgar?

Yes, Edgar and all that, he's going to leave. He invited me and Nisa. In 2027. February 2027, because they want to buy the tickets from now on. Okay. Then I said, okay, let's go.

Then the itinerary was out. There's Tokyo, there's everywhere. Then I said, I'll just go to Tokyo. I'll see you again in Tokyo. I said, I'm lazy.

The kids' school?

Who?

Ale.

Why?

What's the school like?

I mean, school. But you're not going to school on holidays. So, you're not going to school? Well, well. I don't know. That's a problem. Because now we have to take a holiday to school. Right, right. But I don't know.

We're looking for the date. It should still be a holiday. Because Alea's curriculum is a bit different. For her school, the curriculum is not the same. I'm not sure about that. So, what happened? She took a vacation.

Yes, she took a vacation there. And then, the first snow. No, I mean, was she still on vacation? No, she was still on vacation.

Oh, she was still on vacation.

She was still on vacation. And then, the first snow. What the hell, man? I haven't seen snow for a long time. We first met each other when we were in our current age. And I had a kid, I was working, and I gave him a job. And he got his first snow at the age of 7. I was like this to my wife.

Why didn't he just give me a snow when he was 30?

I was so sad.

He didn't even give you a statue.

He just let me sleep.

How was the snow? I forgot how it feels. What is snow like? Like ice. Like ice, but softer and thinner. On that day, in Galayu, Java, if you know, maybe you've never been to Japan.

I have, but I forgot. You forgot. Because you went to Japan. Yes, to Japan., I went to Japan Maybe because I never went abroad How was it?

I was a new YouTuber New to Mini When did you start making YouTube? It was last year Yes, I was still far below Taha Lelintar Where did you go? Galawazawa?

Galayuzawa, bro. I knew it because I was using a tour guide. And because I was so scared, I didn't know. So we used a tour guide and decided to go. The tour guide was an Indian? Yes, an Indian.

We took the Shinkansen, and we walked. At the end of the station, it was snowing. It was like a dream. My wife's eyes were sparkling, I was looking at her, and my son was like... That's what I can't pay for. But why is traveling a memory? I don't know, it's stuck in my head.

But I want to have that memory in my son. You want to have that memory in your child, right? Yes, I want to have that memory. Is there any specific country or specific things that you want to give to your child? You know, I'm just in a hurry. I'm in a hurry because I'm watching a retirement video. I'm in a hurry, what if I'm retired, what should I do?

Maybe at 55, at 60, if I should do when I retire. Maybe at 55, 60 years old, if I really do something. I told my wife, I think I want to check the list of countries. I want to go to 100 countries in the world. I want to see the end of my life here. I want to see the end of my life here. I want to see the whole country. And a marathon in 5 continents.

Marathon?

The name is also Ngael, right?

Okay.

The name is also Ngael. Then he asked, do you want to take your child? Ideally, I would take my child. I said that. Hopefully I can save money for that. I just arrived in Kyoto.

Kyoto is like a village, right? Kyoto? Kyoto is like a village, and we had coffee in Arabica. The first in the world, right? The percentage. Yes.

And then, if I have a lot of money, I think we're safe here, right? In Japan?

In Japan.

Oh wow. Is it safe? I don't know. I don't know.

I think it's really nice.

I have a friend who's already there for good.

Oh yeah?

There is. A Balinese. A Balinese, then he moved there. And now he's living in Japan.

How old is he?

Way younger. Way younger. He's young. I think he's working there. Oh, really? Yes. I don't know. But there are some arguments. Because I... Don't blame me, but blame my audience. Because there are many YouTubers that I watch. Japan is good for vacation, but not good to be left behind. Oh, there are some people who say that.

Some people say that. Yes, because it turns out to be quite complicated and so on. Yes, because we don't know the customs and habits. So, for us, maybe we feel a little out of the habit. Oh yes, it could be because I'm on vacation for just one day. After two days, I want to decide to live there.

I think the first habit is to go on vacation, guys. I think Reza is the one. Reza is just IG story. He's in Japan, but he's saving up again. If I'm not mistaken. Reza. Reza is on vacation. Is he on vacation?

Yes, he is.

Oh, he's in Japan.

So he has to meet Ari Brata. Ari Brata is also there.

What's the matter?

Tell him to tell him.

Jak! Yes, later. He made an IG story Still in Japan But he's already planning to go back to Japan Then he opened his mouth In 2029 150 million To Japan

That's his fund for Japan in 3 years So he's already saving money I did the same with my wife Oh yeah? Let's go back to Japan I really want's go back to Japan. Oh, I really want to go to Japan. I think I'm going to be sold.

I told Anissa many times, my brother wanted to invite me, so for me, 2027 is still a long time. But I really want to go to Japan, and it's too far. Anissa has already left for Japan, right?

Anissa has already gone to Japan, to Korea. Yes. You've been to Japan, right? I've been to Japan and Korea. Because before you went to Japan, you saw a lot of TikTok hacks. Including Nisa. Nisa was suggested. Nisa was in Ginza, right? Yeah, she took a photo in Shibuya Cross.

Yeah, with Gipu. So, it was on the news. And you saw it. And you didn't you feel like, let's go to Japan. When was the last time you went to Japan?

Oh, it's been a long time, bro. When I was young. No, no, Okinawa. There was a film festival. Right? With you, right, Dil? Oh, no, not with him. In Okinawa, in the south of Japan. But that was also a job. Oh, so you're not the one who enjoys the holidays? I really enjoy it. In Okinawa, I only stay there for 3 days.

I come, sleep, attend events, and go home. I even told my wife, the first ones are Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, those are the first standard holidays for people. You're tired, right? I'm really tired.

So I told my wife, let's go to Japan, but let's just sit down and have a get some coffee. When are you going back to Japan? I think next year. I'm waiting for the school holidays. I'm going with you. Let's go. Maybe in January.

January is busy. But we can take a bath together. Do you want to try the onsen there? I know you asked a few people to go to the onsen together. Gilang and Tio.

Safe?

Safe.

You don't have any imagination?

No.

There was even an area where there was a monkey onsen. I really wanted to go there. I've always wanted to bathe with monkeys. I really wanted to go there. I've checked the place. He had to take the bus first.

Then you have to climb the stairs. How many steps. And you can't just go to the monkeys. Yeah. I'm looking for a place where monkeys don't go to. But we're swimming, and the monkeys are close.

I'm looking for it. Come on, Radit. But it's true, right? If it's January or February, we'll go together Let's go, bro! But you're going to Disneyland, right? I brought Nani to Disneyland yesterday

for Alea Macha Maybe, maybe. Have you been to Disneyland? Disneyland? Yes, but not Universal Studios

Not here

And there are still many places that we feel like this is a really touristy place. Well, we've been here before. But next time, we don't have to come here again, find another place.

Okay, so it's recommended, right?

Yes.

Okay, I'll deal. I'll go to Japan if it's like that. I've been there many times, I want to go to Japan, but it doesn't always work out. I'm leaving, no. I think it's just a distance. Just make one that Tokyo is only a few days away from, the rest is Kyoto. Wow, I'm sure Radit will be very happy.

Isn't Kyoto very crowded now? You were crowded at that time, right? Yes, there were several tourist spots that were very crowded. Yes, I almost left. But when I saw TikTok, there were like a tourist It depends on the day, if it's not high season, it's safe But Sakura is really crowded, people can't walk

That's it, I can't My people, my people yesterday, when they arrived at the hotel, they immediately went crazy Indonesian people again Oh, we want to correct it, right? Yes, a lot A lot

But it's true What? January, I'm going to Kecoh Yes, a lot. A lot. Okay, but what is it? January. If I leave Bukalapak, I'll give you my ticket. You pay for it, and I'll give you the ticket. It's safe. You're a businessman, I'm a businessman.

It's up to you. But there's one thing. I'm going to Japan. Japan, I think.

It's really good, right?

I don't want to sell to anyone.

It's really good, right? Japan, right?

It's bad.

Bad.

The crowd is sorry.

Right, right. The crowd is sorry. And the food is really good, bro. But we're looking for something that's not crowded.

Huh?

That's the art, baby.

And not disturbing. And it's not like it's a problem, why is everyone just standing there? It's not a problem, I'm just confused seeing so many people. I can't see a lot of people, I'm stressed. It's only for a moment, then I'll just sit in a quiet place. Where? In the toilet? Where? You're looking for it, where?

It's in the toilet.

Yeah, right.

I think Kyoto is usually quiet. So it's crowded, but... Okay, but I'll put it in my itinerary. For my holiday schedule. Jengel, what's next for 2026? Do you have a new movie? For 2026, so far,

there's nothing much. I'm still living my life as usual. I'm just learning to be a parent. Because I'm 7 years old, it's a normal life. And I want to learn how to be a parent. Because I'm 7 years old, this is crucial. Right. In my opinion.

Aga Line, because you met in the last episode, there will be a third one, right? There will be a third one, in 2027. Have you thought about it?

Not yet.

I think it's still early or late this year. Until 2027? Until 2027? Until 2027.