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History shows that the US is more of a myth. When it was fought by Donald Trump himself, he had already attacked. He said, yes, I was, what is it, in quotation marks,

insulted by...

If so, what about Israel?

Well, the scenario for Israel, yes. Actually...

5, 4, 3, 2, 1. And close the door.

I usually say when I have guests, I'm so happy to have guests. I feel honored. But if I say I'm so happy, the world is in chaos. That's why you came.

Yes, I think I'm invited to talk about the conflict in Melului.

But you've been in Iran for 10 years?

8 years.

8 years? So you worked there and after that, you went to school first?

I went to college first. I studied in the second year of college at Tehran University. Then I worked at the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

Okay. Islamic?

Republic of Iran Broadcasting. Okay. Islamic? Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

Broadcasting. So basically you know a lot of things about Iran, if you're in broadcasting. Because everything is broadcasted.

Yes. So it's in the news.

Okay. Let's play the first advocate. I want to ask, before we get to the Iran issue. I was thinking, now we see that Trump is a drunk guy. A drunk god. If you know Kung Fu, you know he is a drunk god. He is free to do whatever he wants. But what if? I think what if.

What if that is his strategy? Let's try to think from that perspective. What if it was his strategy? Let's talk about it. What if. Now, the US is based on petrodollars. Right? People don't understand petrodollars. People buy oil with dollars. And then the petrodollars contract, if I'm not mistaken,

was stopped around 2-3 years ago. If I'm not mistaken. So, people can buy...

Yes, since the war between Russia and Ukraine, many countries dared to buy oil in yuan.

That's right. And the Petrodollar didn't work.

It started to collapse.

If I'm not mistaken, the contract was also terminated. And America had a huge debt.

Right.

Like what? 40 trillion US dollars? Because the financial was more supported by the debt. Right. And that's how it worked. What if Donald Trump does it? He knows that it will be a disaster. It will be a mess. But if it's a mess, the rubber band will be closed.

It means that the oil will rise. If it's an oil rising, if it's an oil rising, if there's an invasion, it will be on the road. If the invasion comes, it will be on the road, the invasion will come, land,

it means it will be even crazier. So, the oil will go. The plan can be crazy. It can be 200 US per barrel, if it's like that. Now, America, in the end, it wants to dominate Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, Greenland, which is all oil producers. So, whether they want it or not, the countries will buy the oil from America. So, the petrodollar was destroyed yesterday,

and now they are forced to buy it from America. And the workers... And if in used to import their business from anywhere, now they want to be productive. The people have to work, have to be productive, create new things. Just like China. But they have a big oil reserve because they dominate everything. So, they sell oil. What if it's like that? Is it possible?

Yes, in theory, capitalism is maintained by conflict. So, when there are signs of collapse, history shows that there are conflicts, there are big wars, and then, as if by that, global capitalism can run. But, if I look at the biggest problem facing Trump right now, because the one who is being fought is Iran. This is a very different actor from the previous US opponents. So, yes, maybe there is a scenario like that. But if we look at the path of this war,

it seems that Trump is far from the plan. If that's really the plan.

That's just my guess. Maybe it's not like that. Because it makes sense. It's impossible for people to do something without a reason. There must be a goal. There must be a certain goal.

But the opponent is like, it turns out, it turns out. But wasn't America also experiencing the same thing during the war with Vietnam?

Yes, but the impact is not big on this side. Vietnam, well, in the end, America the country at that time. Because of the high cost and the huge protests in the country. But it didn't make the US economy collapse. It means that it still became a superpower. Then we see how the US lost the war in Okinawa. The US also left Afghanistan.

It's been 20 years since they've been in Afghanistan. They said they wanted to replace the Taliban. When they left, the Taliban was still in power.

I think because the cost is too much.

Yes.

The cost is too high and they're out.

That's right. The most rational thing is to leave.

Yes. The victory of Vietnam is not only in the movie Rainbow.

Yes, Rainbow. The history shows that the US power is more of a myth. When it is fought with a real military, it is a disaster. And this is what happened in the war against Iran since February 28th. So, the initial scenario, maybe, already had such goals. But if we look at how the US presidents have ever wanted to fight Iran. To do that.

Yes. They have done a lot of things. Actually, their target is the regime change in Iran. They have done a lot of things, for example, destabilization, then financing groups of democracy in Iran. But if they really attack, no one dares to do it before.

Okay, try to explain to me. I see it from various sides. Why is this also a fight against Iran? Is it because Iran has prepared this thing? Because as far as I know, they have a lot of radar in the mountains. And they only use one or two are used.

That's what I heard. Or maybe Iran is not a country like other countries. Because other countries have leaders. They choose democracy, and so on. But Iran is like a culture. If I'm not mistaken.

If I'm not mistaken. The Muslims are also like a culture. So, when a leader dies, even if the leader didn't die, I think it will be difficult for the child to continue. At that time, the child without any hesitation,

the child immediately became the president. Is it because of the Iranian culture itself? Or is it because of the weapons? Or is it because the army is strong? Or do you already know that this will happen?

Okay. If we look at it, it's a combination. Okay. Explain it to me. First, Iran's Iran is a Persian civilization. It's been around 3,000-4,000 years. This civilization has once ruled a very large area. And it has never been colonized.

Yes, it is influenced by some powerful countries that try to dominate. But it was never colonized. So, the culture is that they are not willing to be subdued by others. That's one.

Psychologically, they were never colonized. So, they would never accept being subdued.

So, it's like the national pride. We are Persian. We can't be insulted by others.

Yeah, that makes sense. Because, psychologically, if you're ever colonized, Japan was once Hiroshima, Nagasaki, it was a mess. Indonesia was once a few hundred years old. That's why we, for example, we have a mission. But that's from the Dutch, from the Dutch era.

I mean, the character of Indonesia was also made in the Dutch era. There is a culture that was included. Of course, from the way of education, how to do it.

Education, yes. That affects our culture.

Well, this doesn't have that context. So, this is pure Christianity.

Yes. Well, at first, Russia and Britain tried to influence Iran. During the reign of the Khajar dynasty. But they didn't like the domination efforts of the two powerful countries. America was even considered the third power. So, they decided befriended America at that time. At that time? Yes. So, during the Khadjar era, many doctors, missionaries, and teachers came to Iran. They helped to build schools and hospitals.

Because Britain and Russia didn't like it, they tried to colonize us. Then, there was a coup d'etat against the Prime Minister of Iran at that time. He tried to nationalize Iran's oil. It was controlled by the British and American companies. After that, from 1925 to 1979, it was controlled by a king who was very hostile to the United States. That's what caused public anger. Because of the pride, how could the United States army do whatever they want?

So, the Americans were privileged in Iran at that time. There was even a law called the Law of Capitulation in Iran. If Iranians did bad to an American, even to their dog, to their pet, they will be punished severely.

But if an American does something bad to Iran, including murder, they won't be punished. So, the American people will be in charge of the perpetrator. So, that's what caused public was the one that provoked public anger.

That's what really happened?

Yes, there were laws that were enacted. So, it caused anger. And the leader was a scholar. So, scholars are like political lectures. Our king is not right. Our king gives our natural wealth not right. Our king gives up our natural resources to America,

and then he is against America. So, the anger continues until 1979, the Iranian people were in a big demo, they didn't want the king's kingdom to be against the United States.

Because of America? Because of the Americans?

Because of the Americans. Because they were really dominating everything in Iran at that time. Economy, culture, politics were dominated by the United States. What's interesting is, as Mr. Dedy said, about leadership. In 1979, there was a revolution. They called it a revolution because there was a big change.

Until the roots, the previous government, turned into a republic. But this was preceded by a referendum. So, not just on one side, because it was led by the ulamas. Then the ulamas obligated, let's just make it the Islamic Republic. But there was a referendum first. The referendum, did the people agree that now we it the Islamic Republic. But there was a referendum. The people didn't agree with the idea of making it the Islamic Republic.

At that time, the referendum in March was 98.2%. They agreed. It was made the Islamic Republic. Yes, the Islamic Republic. I will explain more about the word Republic later. Then, in December, there was another referendum.

So, between March and December, there was a team that made new laws, right? The laws were distributed to the people. These are our new basic laws. Do you agree or not? Another referendum in December 1979. And at that time And 95% of them agreed. And then the government started to run

with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Republic means democracy, right?

Yes, that's right.

What kind of democracy? It's a bit different from Indonesia or other countries. There are three candidates. The presidential candidate, the parliamentary candidate, plus one more candidate to elect the Ulema Council. There are 88 Ulema elected by the people.

Okay.

Now, this Ulema Council is among themselves to elect the Supreme Leader, the highest leader. So, there is a president.

So, it's not a president?

No, the president was already there in the election. The president's job is to execute the daily governance. Like the president in other countries. The only difference is that the decision of war and peace is not in the hands of the president. In the hands of the supreme leader. In the hands of the supreme leader. So, the decisions make the wheel clear. No, it's in the hands of the supreme leader. Wait, wait.

I'm not sure if I understand. So, the decision to make a nuclear bomb is in the hands of the Supreme Leader.

Wait, does that mean that the President and the Supreme Leader are both in power? Are they both strong or is the Supreme Leader stronger?

The division is clear. Where are the rights and obligations of each of them? It's already in the law. The President is in charge of the government, the ministry, and so on, just like us in Indonesia. But, especially for the very crucial matters,

the life and death of the country, war and peace are very important, it's in the hands of the supreme leader. Well, he was elected by the religious council. So, it's actually democracy, right? Although democracy is not directly.

Well, after Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was elected on February 28, it's not because of the son, but because he's a sidang. He's a sidang. So, he's chosen to fulfill the three conditions. And that's also in the first law. The religious knowledge is indeed high.

That's why it's a verse. Then, the second one is the integrity. The record of his achievements is clean. And the third one is the managerial ability. The three. The Ulema in the Dewan Ulema

chose the replacement.

What about the president?

That's the problem.

What about the president?

The president still functions as usual.

So, the president is still there?

Yes, still. Because it's a different path. That's why. So, the president still? Yes, he remains. Because it's a different path. So, the president still doesn't have a choice? No, because after the four-year term, there will be another election.

Okay, so the one chosen here is the Supreme Leader? Yes. So, you mean to say that when one of the Ma'abs died, it wasn't a country that collapsed. No. Because there were three of them.

Yes, so the structure was different. So the structure was actually a democracy. So, it's not one person is in the center of one figure. So, one figure dies and everything is destroyed.

So, it's a different case with Venezuela. If Venezuela is taken, it's over. Because it's all shaken up.

Venezuela is actually, within certain limits, still stable. The president is immediately promoted, right? As president. It's the same as us in Indonesia. When the president is banned or something, the one who is promoted is the president. It's the same in Venezuela.

It's the same in Iran. In Iran, too. The president, if the president...

There's a point. The problem is because there are dua, ada Presiden dan Supreme Leader, jadi berbeda. Iya, berbeda. Jadi berbeda. Tidak seperti Venezuela. Iya dong. Konteksnya jadi berbeda dong. Kalau ini kan, ini masih jalan nih. Presidennya masih jalan.

Pemerintahan masih jalan.

Tinggal kita milih Supreme Leader to determine what to do next.

And it's very related to the continuation of the war. Because it's in the hands of the Supreme Leader, the decision of the war.

Yes. Is that not known by Trump? I heard, I even heard, I don't know, I just guess. He said there was even a CIA chief or something who reminded him that this is different. This is like this, like this, like this.

Trump himself has been attacking. He said, yes, I was, quote, insulted by Witkoff and Kushner. Kushner himself. And Witkow was not an East Central expert,

he was a real estate entrepreneur. But because of a good friend, he was finally made an advisor for East Central. So, the consideration was not based on a clear knowledge about Iran. How about the foreign ministry team, for example?

Or the senior people in the US government? There are many who remind us. But Trump said, I listened to these two people's suggestions.

But the funny thing is, now America even removed Iran's oil sanctions.

That's so funny. And Iran said, oh sorry, we don't have any stock anymore. So, Iran is like mocking us.

They are like, oh yeah.

Because it's an effort to reduce the price of oil. That's why the scenario earlier, if the price of oil is too high, America, as an oil exporter, will benefit when the price of oil is high. But the benefit is for entrepreneurs.

The price of oil in the country will follow the price of oil globally.

The society will be affected too.

The society will be affected. It's so funny now. The oil is so expensive. Usually, men are told that it's more expensive than the perfume. Now there are funny videos like that. Spraying gasoline.

Because it's more expensive than perfume. Okay. Well, if we talk like that, I haven't answered it yet. How about the military? I mean, it's a bit complicated now, right? From the Americans too.

It's confusing. They are actually threatening each other. You do this, I do this. You do this, I do this. I still remember when there was a trade war yesterday. When America said something, the defense minister from China said,

we are ready. Even if it's a nuclear war, we are ready. We are ready to go to war. We have been tortured since the old days. Are you ready? There is a saying like that. Is it true that the military is as ambitious as the US?

Yes. Back to 1979, when the Islamic Revolution won and the Islamic Republic was established, since the first day, it was already opposed by the United States. Because the United States was really disadvantaged. Because of the oil, the gas. So, there have been many efforts from the United States to overthrow the Iranian government. Since the first day.

So, from the beginning, they were already anticipating. Including from the beginning, they were anticipating. Including the military. It was openly tweeted by the Iranian foreign minister. He said, the United States is miscalculating by thinking that if they kill our leader, we will be destroyed. We have a so- of mosaic defense.

That's what they call it. Mosaic defense strategy. Because people have learned it. What is this? Mosaic is like a list of small things. And then it becomes a whole picture.

And the Iranian defense is actually, there are 31 provinces. Each of them is semi-autonomous. They have their own missiles, drones, weapons, and command system. So, even if Teheran falls, the others can still move. So, the Greek mythology is like Hydra.

One is cut off, the other is still there.

Because it's not centered on one. So, at that time, Venezuela said that the internet was turned off. Everything collapsed. But this is one by one.

Right. And also the other ones. Electricity, power plant. Trump said the last 48 hours. If not, we will attack the power plant. The electricity generator. But it didn't happen.

We waited until tomorrow. But it was extended. It was already anticipated that the power plant would be spread out. So, it wasn't just one point. But they said, if you attack this, I will attack that. Yes, so in the end, it was what you said earlier. What is this doing? What is this doing? Game theory, right?

Game theory, right. The US also counts if it is attacked later. For example, the desalinization of the Kuwaiti waters, for example, or the United Arab Emirates, it's only one to support about 80-90%.

Because maybe many people don't know that in the United Arab Emirates, the water is mostly from the water of the Sulingan.

Yes, the sea water that is offered.

Not having, I mean, it didn't have...

The source.

The source. The river.

The river. So, when it was attacked, it was destroyed. Then, where did it end up?

Yes. And in the country, one desalination center was centered to meet the needs of the majority of people. Imagine, one. This is already a state-owned company, right? The majority of people. Imagine, one country. But for Iran, maybe they have been anticipated for a long time.

It seems like there will be a war or they will be attacked.

We already know where it will go.

So, the system is decentralized.

If we talk about it, like what Budhinda said about game theory. In game theory, they will see that this country is supported by the US, the US army, which protects America. Dubai is all protected by the US army. So, this is actually an asset. And there are many people there.

If we attack this, we attack this, we attack this, the trust of the people in America will also be lost. Because you cannot take care of what you promised to take care of. That's how it is.

Yes, that's why there are many from the countries of the egg, even though it's not the leader who speaks, but the political observers or whoever, protest from the side that you came here to build our military base. The promise was to protect us, but it actually dragged us into a war that was not ours.

And also destroyed the economy.

And they can't attack Iran either. The soldiers are from America too, right?

The weapons are also from America.

And 13 of the 15 American bases there are also destroyed.

Yes, that was admitted by the New York Times. Imagine, 13 out of 15. 13 out of 15, that's almost all of them. For example, they said it would take 48 hours. Because the old war never succeeded. The old war was very costly, the people were angry, etc. The trauma was very high during the old war.

That's why the plan was 48 hours. If we talk about 48 hours, it means it's a failure. Yes. The victory of the war is determined by the political goals that were stated at the beginning of the war. Yes, the close wish. So, a country winning the war is not about how many dead people, right?

But the political goals are achieved or not. On the first day, February 28, Trump said, we want to launch Iran's nuclear weapons. He didn't say it in a sarcastic way, but he wanted to help the people of Iran, so that the people of Iran would rise up to overthrow the government.

It means a regime change. He wanted to replace the government in Iran. It hasn't been proven until today. It means that it hasn't been achieved.

I read a gossip somewhere. I don't know if it's true or not. When there was an attack, when he died, they said that he already knew that there would be an attack. So, it means that he did it on purpose.

Have you ever heard that gossip?

That's not gossip. It was openly said by the Secretary of the High Council of Iran Security, Alil Harijani. In the end, he was also killed by the American bomb attack.

So, it means that he was a martyr.

So, like this, he was there every day, Ayatollah Khamenei was there every day, in his house, right? At the same time, he was in his office, and at the same time, he was like Husein. Husein was like a place for people to come to.

And it was in the middle of Teheran, in a small alley. Everyone knew that was the house. It wasn't a secret place. No, there was no need for a Mossad. They knew. Even the taxi driver knew. Oh, that's the house.

He was there. Then he was asked by the Security Council to hide. Because there was a possibility that the United States will attack. But he said, if all the people of Iran can hide in the bunker, then I want to.

Can't all the people of Iran hide? I mean, everyone has the same right to hide. If I'm the only one who is hiding, I don't want to.

But that makes the people angry.

Yes, it means that the concern has a wisdom. It means that the people then see that the leader is brave. It means that he's not selfish. What about the children who died?

There's also the grandchildren.

Yes, because I just found out that they lived in the same apartment. They had two sons and a wife. They lived in the same apartment and it was a contract house. So, when the bomb happened, were two children, and their wives. So, there were their daughters-in-law and their granddaughters. So, there were a few people who were killed that day.

Including their daughters-in-law and their granddaughters.

But it was a bit out of sync. Because I thought that when Ayatollah Khomeini knew that he would be attacked, he said, it's okay, I'm with the people. But, why didn't he tell his children? kan dia mengatakan, yaudah, ayo, gak apa-apa. Saya bersama rakyat. Tapi, masa anak-anaknya gak dikasih tahu? Atau anak-anaknya juga selalu saya gugur, gugur sama ayah, gitu.

Sebenarnya, ya memang itulah culture yang kayaknya kita agak sulit menerima, ya. Jadi, culture that, where do you want to hide? That's the first thing. Where do you want to hide? The second thing is, if we win this war, we are happy. If we win, we are happy. But if we lose, we are happy too. Because when we going to heaven. That was the belief that I had. I thought it would make them, well, they would survive. And that's what happened when the National Security Council, Alira Rizani,

many people asked, why is this important person not hiding in Bangkok? I said, where is he hiding? Why is this important person not just hiding in the bunker? If I say, where is he hiding?

Why is he hiding? Shouldn't he be there?

Because he was there from the start.

No, I mean, even the bunker... If you want to be attacked, you will be attacked. America has a smart bomb that can penetrate the bunker. And if he dies in the bunker, for... I think, as someone who knows the Iranian tradition, it's embarrassing.

It's embarrassing. It turns out that he died in hiding. We, the people, can't hide.

If he dies, he will face a bomb. It's different.

Yes, and it seems like for the spirit of the people.

But how about... I know this. I just want to explain. I was on social media, and suddenly the Iranian people were so happy. Do you remember? The green leopards. There was a girl like that. Wow, so free. So independent. Women and women. And then what? What about men?

What is that?

So, let's go back.

1979 again. The one who was crowned was the king. The king had a lot of friends, right? A lot of cronies, a lot of families. Who did take advantage of the system of the kingdom. It means they are rich.

When the Islamic revolution won, almost 2 million people left because they were afraid. Because they thought, oh, this is...

It's over.

Yes, that's what is called the Iranian diaspora. They live in the western countries, including the one in America, Reza Pahlavi, the son of the king. So they really want to re-rule Iran. And they do not agree with the Islamic government system. So what often becomes the main selling point is hijab. The attack on Iran from the West, especially from the liberal feminist, is always referred to as the hijab problem.

But is there a problem-stricken society in Iran?

About the hijab?

Yes. I mean, the happy people from yesterday. Is it a set up or is it real? There are people that are happy when that happened.

Maybe there are. It means that there is no 100% nation. There is.

And in the end...

The camera just drags you to wherever.

But we are... this is democracy, right? Which means more? It's the same as us in Indonesia. When more people choose the candidate A, then that's it, that's the leader. That also happened in Iran.

It means that freedom is on the side of, like this, I'm going back to the hijab issue. The attack on Iran is often mentioned because Iran discriminates against women. But it's always the standard, oh, because there is a hijab rule, so it opens the hijab as if it is a rebellion.

Even though the reality is, if you look at it now, you don't have to come to Iran. There are many videos of travelers coming to Iran. Hijab is a fun thing. It's fun to wear hijab. But if you don't wear hijab,

are you going to be in jail, killed, or beaten? No.

So, it's not something fatal to become a problem, right?

Yes. And, we can't measure a woman's condition from hijab.

Because, just look at the Human Development Index, Gender Inequality Index. But, is it free for women to do any job? In the past, if there was a place in a place, you couldn't drive. But in Iran?

It's free. Taxi driver, bus driver.

So, there's no problem with that.

No. And if we look at the official data from UNDP, from the UN, the Human Development Index of Iran is even better than Indonesia. The indicator of this Human Development Index is among other things, the education level, health level, including the health level of women. And then, education, because education there is free, right? From elementary school to university, if it's a country, it's free.

So, the opportunities are the same between men and women. And the latest data shows that 60% of Iran's students are women. Out of 60%, 70% are in STEM. Because of that, from the education point of view, the human development index is good.

Isn't it because women are smarter? Men are more stupid.

Usually, from my point of view, women are more diligent. If you want to go to university, you have to study.

Women are still women. Now, there are rich.

That's not a comment.

I'm not going to comment. I'm just saying. But your laughter is so funny. So, this is different from Saudi Arabia in the past.

Oh yes, it's different.

In the past, women were not allowed to drive in prison. There were punishments. But now, it's not like In the past, women were not allowed to drive in prison. There were punishments and all. But now, it's not like that.

It's not like that. And since the first day, I mean, when the legislation was put in place at the beginning, at the beginning of the referendum in December 1979, the team of the legislation put together there was a female politician who also joined.

Then, she insisted that the president, saying that women are allowed to do that. While the others were men. Oh, no, the president must be a man. Finally, she was taken to the middle way. In Persian, men are called mar. So, if the president must be a man, he must use the word mar.

But because, oh, no, the woman can't do that, even though to be a man, it has to be Mar. But because, oh, it can't be. Even though it's a woman, it can't be. A woman has to have rights. So, it's used the word, Rijalesh Yosi. It means, a political figure. So, it means, it can be anyone. So, it means, from the beginning, the woman has already...

Has the same opportunity. Okay, so it means, don't make that as an excuse lah ya.

Ya.

Ya kan, jadi excuse berlebihan. Okay, tapi anaknya Pak Levi mana balik jadi presiden?

Anaknya Pak Levi, maksudnya yang ada di Amerika ini? Ya, dia kan sekarang ini berusaha pulang ya. Itu jadi pertanyaan. Emang mau jadi raja lah? Ya, makanya. Dia rakyat Irannya udah gak mau pasti kan? I think, when Iran is trying to go home, it becomes a question. Do they want to be king? The people of Iran don't want to be king. Democracy is more comfortable for many people.

Democracy means that rights and obligations are the same. Equal in the face of law. And Iran has enjoyed that. It doesn't make sense if we suddenly become a kingdom again.

But it's called business.

Yes, it's called business.

Okay. So, Madinda, if we talk like that, does it mean that according to you, the US has lost the war? Or what?

I'm confused. I can't say whether won or lost yet. Because the war is still ongoing. But the winner is the one who has a longer breath. The one who has the ability to last longer. So, this is the war that is called the war of strengthening.

Strengthening each other's power. The War of Attrition. The US tried to destroy Iran by bombing their civilian infrastructure. Schools, hospitals, even the pharmaceutical factories. Iran was a drug-rich country. 90% of the drugs needs are produced by Iran.

And the factories are bombed. And the universities are bombed. What the United States wants is to make the people of Iran go crazy. I mean, they can't stand it if this goes on for a long time. And they hope that the government will just give them weapons. If Iran is about Iran?

Well, in Iran, we can see that... Why is the US military base bombed by Iran? Because the US can't attack. Where else can they attack? It means that they have less chances to attack. And then, from the cost side, the pressure for Trump is actually from the cost.

But Iran is also in cost. Because the weapons are so different. Iran's drone is at least 20,000 USD. And the missiles are at least 500.000 or 1 million. That's also a question. How come with that kind of capital, with the cheap capital, but the sophistication is like that?

If my friends joke, it's made in China.

No. It's because it's made by itself.

Because it's made by itself.

If it's imported, it means it depends on the outside, right? From the price, from the supply, right? But because he made it himself, it can be cheaper. And the difference with the US is from the side... So, if the US makes something, it has to be sophisticated, good, even if it's expensive. With the purpose of destroying everything.

Iran said, the important thing is that we can attack with a massive force. And this is paid for. One missile must have two interceptors. This is 500,000 interceptors. One can reach 4 million. 4 million dollars. One is enough, it needs two.

But isn't it better if it's more sophisticated? How can this be?

It's better if the war is short. That's why since the beginning of the US, the plan is 48 to 72.

Oh, and not only that, Iran's target is also close to all of them.

Yes, it's close. So, the interceptor is very expensive. The American missiles are really sophisticated. Patriot missiles, Tomahawk missiles, all sophisticated and expensive. But this interceptor missile, when it's fighting in the air, it doesn't choose which one to use. It's the cheap one, the expensive one. So, this is the one that is being scrapped. That's why it's called the scrapping war.

This is scrapping each of its resources. America is clearly much more at a loss here. So, that's what makes the pressure to America. In the country, there are many protests, the No King's Day demonstration, 8 million people were on the streets.

Why is it 8 million people in Indonesia?

8 million people.

Because everyone feels, why is it harder for us to live?

But in America, there is no context. In the past, there was no president to be elected.

Because the impeachment was decided by the parliament, right? The members of Congress. Unfortunately, most of the members of Congress could sit there because they are funded by donors.

But other countries have started to refuse to help, right? Yes. They started to refuse.

It's so funny. Trump said, Neto doesn't want to help. He was angry. Japan doesn't want to help. Even though we helped Japan.

South Korea doesn't want to help. Even though we have 10,000 soldiers in the US. We don't want to help them. Because in the end, the nature of a country is to prioritize itself. Yes, in theory. So, we join the war.

We negotiate with Iran, and it's over.

If the countries started to say, I don't want to join, I don't want to join. It means that psychologically, it shows that America is losing its global influence.

Yes.

It looks like it's getting weaker. Because the global influence is not following it anymore.

Yes, that's right. That's why you asked earlier, who will Yes. And I think Iran will last longer. Because they are in their own place.

They produce their own weapons.

And meanwhile, the US has too much pressure. Earlier, it was money. And now, the host countries have started to protest. Qatar, the US has too much pressure. They have money. And the host countries have started to protest. Qatar has changed its tone. The Arabs and Persians have been living together for thousands of years.

Living in harmony. And finally, there is no more bomb from Iran to Qatar, right? And since March 24th, schools and offices have been opened, and normal operations have been done.

There's no more bomb from Iran to Qatar, right? But Iran can also change, when America is in trouble,

it can start again.

It's always a calculation. Qatar still wants to help America, right?

Yes, that's the context. If it's like this, I'll do this. So, there's nothing stable. Basically, nothing is stable at all.

The calculation is how far these egg countries are still in a stalemate with America. Or, the country should have prioritized itself.

While the target is already there. The infrastructure is important. But if we don't see this happening, we don't know how this will end, who will win. We don't know. Because in end, who will win. We don't know. Because war is always... anything can happen. But if we look at this moment,

do you think that Iran is winning the war?

I think so.

Okay.

With various considerations. Because of the cost? I think so. Okay.

With various considerations.

Because of the cost?

The cost and the resistance from the Iranian nation. It means that a country will not be able to survive in the war if the people don't support it.

What if the US attacks the land?

How do they attack the land? Through where? First, through the island of Kharg. They said it like that.

They planned it.

Yes. Kharg is a small island, actually. Within the range of a drone and a missile. No need for a missile, I think. The drone has arrived. How can they protect themselves there?

Then, if they want to cross the sea, Iran is protected by a natural barrier. So, it's very difficult to cross the mountains. And then, from the number side, how many people do they want? Meanwhile, Iran has an active force plus reserve,

it's almost 1 million. Those who have registered, there are already registrations because they want to help. So, the volunteer force has registered 6 million.

If I'm not mistaken, let me correct me if I'm wrong, let me check. If I'm not mistaken, America only has 4 million.

Active forces plus... Yes, that's right. Plus, not up to 4 million, around 2 million plus reserve forces. Plus, what is it? It's a reserve.

Oh, only 2 million?

As far as I know, it's around 4 million. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I'll try to check. But let's say, if it's 4 million, it's impossible to send all of it.

Yes.

It means that even on land,

the opposition will be... So, when they're on the ground, the enemy is... And don't forget that Americans really appreciate the North.

How many?

1.4 million active personnel, 800,000 reserve personnel.

So, it's more than 2 million.

Yes, 2.2 million. In Iran, there are...

Almost 1 million.

But in Iran, it's quiet. If that's the case, you send it there.

Yes, and I said earlier that the American people really appreciate the army. So, one person who was killed was like, wow. That's why it's hidden now. Actually, there are a few people who Google it. The US doesn't provide open data about this. And then we see that yesterday, there was one pilot...

That's also the news. What's the news?

Yes, so there was an F-15, if I'm not mistaken, was shot. There was one that was still safe, but I don't know where it was. Then the United States stated that they sent a plane to search. It means that only one person is being fought for. Imagine, in the context of the land war, it means that it brings a lot of people,

the US military, at risk of death. It will definitely be a problem for the country.

But I don't know, the news, like yesterday, there was a pilot who was arrested. Is that true? Because the news is, one said he was arrested, one said he was saved, one was saved, one was like this, one was like that.

Yes, so there is one that is a clue where it is. But the Iranian side also seems to take advantage of it by making a... What is it? A gift. Yes, whoever can catch it, we give it as a gift.

Maybe it was caught by Iran, but it was not deliberately published. So it's a joke. So, that is my story. According to your prediction. It's not a random prediction, but it's a prediction from all you told me about it. Because I talked to you earlier that you have a lot of knowledge about Iran, what's happening now. What's your prediction? How this is gonna end? Is it gonna be World War III? Is it gonna end? Is America gonna give up? Or Iran is going to be destroyed? Or your prediction?

My prediction is that the US will leave the region.

And then it will be forgotten?

And when the US leaves the region, it means there will be no more war, right?

Yes.

And then, what is became a big problem, why is the US so angry with Iran? And now, the peak, so it's been a long time, this is an effort to to overthrow the government in Iran. Now the peak of the war is actually,

and it was actually stated by Trump on February 28th, because Iran is helping militias that were fighting against Israel. So, when the United States was no longer in the region, and there were many military bases to protect the sky of Israel, it meant that is already alone. When Israel is alone, the Palestinian fighters

can make an effort to free themselves. When that happens, the Middle East will be safe, God willing. Wow. And in my opinion,

that is not an impossible prediction. Because America, we have talked about it, And I don't think it's an impossible prediction. Because America has a history to go out.

Wait a minute.

Okay.

We don't need to discuss. We already know everything about the Palestinian-Israeli issue. We already know. If it's true, it means... If what you said is true, it means that the chance for Palestine to win is bigger.

Yes.

Yes, when that happens. It means that if it really happens like this can be the end, the game is reversed. So if that happens, this can be not a third world war, but the point is, peace in the world.

Yes, of course it will be peaceful. Actually, Arab countries, I mean, many people say that Arabs have a war hobby. They often say that. Because they live in the desert, it's hot everywhere. But it's not like that. If we look at various theories about international relations,

for example, Johan Galtung. If we use it, countries actually have conflicts with each other because there is a power that dominates and then tries to compete with each other. So, there are core countries, periphery countries, and border countries. They are afraid of this strong country. But when there is no strong country, they can work together equally.

There is no need to fight like now.

The point is, one country is usually destroyed by another country. Economically, there are invisible parties.

A strong country that is indeed using war.

Yes, and it's not just in the Arab world, it happens everywhere. That's right. That's the general secret. Okay, so if that's the case, what about Israel?

Well, the scenario for Israel, yes. Actually, many people have already said, the academicians, the people and researchers about this issue. Actually, the Jews and Muslims there, their history is living in harmony and peace. The scenario that is now being offered,

many people say it's a two-state solution. But the problem is that the two-state solution. But the problem is, it's been ten years and it hasn't been proven. Why? Because the Israelis don't want a Palestinian state. That's why they keep fighting. Israel is occupying West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. There was a genocide in the last two years.

Now, the most likely scenario is a referendum on that land. Everyone can join. Establish a one-state democracy. That recognizes everyone's rights equally. No more apartheid. Well, is it possible?

Wow, that's hard.

No.

And there are many books about this scenario.

But if the people are still the same.

That's why the main condition is that the Israeli regime should no longer exist. Change. The regime should be abolished. This scenario is the same as in South Africa. In the 1980s, the regime in South Africa was apartheid. Where white skin dominated, discriminating,

committing crimes against black people. What happened next? The regime collapsed, the referendum created a new government. Demographically, when there are more black people, and this is democracy,

it's normal when the president is black. This is also a scenario that many academicians offer for Palestine. It means that there is no killing, deportation of Jews in this scenario. If everyone wants to be there, it's okay. But there is one democratic government. But because of the demography, now the Arabs and Palestinians are twice as many as the Jews in Israel, right?

Not yet, the refugees who were there.

So, where do you want Israel?

I want it. If the Zionist regime is gone. And in general...

How can the Zionist regime be gone? The people who are in power now.

It can. The collapse of the Zionist regime is like this. There is a professor, an Israeli professor, his name is Professor Ilan Pape. He is a historian. He said that in the history of this country, a government, a regime, will collapse when there are three conditions. The economy is broken, then the national cohesion is broken, and the third is that there is no international support.

Okay, the international support that was there before.

Yes, Israel is already facing these three. The economy is extraordinary now, right? Because of the war, it's...

Yes, it's a mess.

Then, the cohesion in the country. That's why there are a lot of demonstrations in the country.

Yes, it means that the, the cohesion in the country. That's why there are a lot of demonstrations in the country.

It means that they are really not satisfied with the government. Then they fight with each other. International support has been reversed now. And Professor Ilan Pape said, he is an Israeli himself, right? Then he said,

yes, in my opinion, this is the end of the Israeli government, this Israeli regime.

And Professor Ilhan Pape is one of the people who supported the scenario. The regime collapsed, and we live side by side here.

Some people don't want to, but there are some who want to. It's not 100% that everyone agrees on one solution. But in the end, when it comes to democracy, there will be a lot of voices. And if we look at the surveys, Palestinians are willing to do it. Because the choice is to live in solidarity or continue to fight. Or continue to be colonized.

The same with the Israelis. In the end, there is already...

Because in Israel itself, there are also many demos.

Many demos. And what about the Gen Z kids? They don't want to be a soldier anymore, right? And they even became activists now. A lot of Gen Z kids who became activists don't want to go to war anymore. It means there is a situation that makes them have to choose.

And the One State Solution scenario, this version, has already been voiced a lot. But in Indonesia, it think it's still, I don't think it's possible. It's impossible. Even if you read the books, there are a lot of books written by those who think about it.

But this is funny, because if it really happens like that, it means kan Donald Trump mempercepat perdamaian. Iya juga ya. Iya juga, bener. Kalau begitu kan, kalau komen kayak gitu, nggak begini. Iya loh. Jadi, oke, tapi...

Ini ya, blazing in this game.

Ini kan, loh kok g this, you're like that. But he will also get a Nobel Prize later. For peace. Okay, okay. So, maybe the last question, because we're talking about endurance,

from both sides. I don't know if you also have experienced this. But if it happens, how long do you think it will take? How long will it take?

I can't predict how long it will take.

But until next year?

No.

Month?

Month, yes.

It can be.

I think until 2027.

2027, yes?

Maybe.

Wow, the oil price keeps going up.

It depends. It depends on the countries. Which one? Yes. Actually, Iran is easy. They just stated that they don't support the US and Israel,

and pay the toll with the yuan.

Maybe the Chinese and Russian countries are just watching.

They are happy. They don't need to worry. Our enemy is getting weaker.

Yes, that's right.

Okay.

But I think there's no war that's beneficial.

Yes. Of course, there are many casualties. Everyone was sad. When someone close to you died in the war, you must be sad. But, often, the war is a choice that's a chaos to get peace.

To heal the world, there must be a chaos first, then there will be peace.

It's the same as we can be free after the war.

Well, if that's the case, I hope our prayers will be answered soon. Because the impact is not only in Indonesia, but everywhere. In Europe, the impact is even worse.

Yes, because of the prices.

And I think the people there have started to react. In America, everyone has reacted. 8 million people who protested. teriak-teriak semua. Di Amerika juga udah teriak-teriak semua sih sebenarnya. 8 juta yang... Yang protes kan? Yang protes. Gimana lagi? Tapi terima kasih banyak, Bu Dina Sulaiman. I got a lot of knowledge from you, your perceptions.

Cara berpikiran anda, oh iya juga nih, berubah begini. Saya nggak kepikiran tuh kalau misalnya tiba-tiba, I love you so much. You're so smart. Thank you very much. Let's close this. 5, 4, 3, 2, much, you are so smart. Thank you very much. Let's close this. 5, 4, 3, 2, much, you are so smart. Thank you very much. Let's close this.

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