Joe Rogan Experience #2424 - Jelly Roll

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I just really feel like we might have a chance here to like really help some people that were big. You know what I mean? Like that in this pod we might have a chance to like.

One million percent.

So I brought a bunch of notes about what I went through. So don't look at me like a super nerd today. But I wanted to make sure I got my... I want to help people, dude. I just, man, I never thought I'd lose this way.

I like a dude with notes. Especially a dude who lost 300 fucking pounds.

Let's go, baby! I feel really really good. You're a totally new human being. It is man. You know what's crazy? I don't want to get super spiritual out the gate but I will because I think God wants me to right now because you saying that. There's a scripture in the Bible that says in Christ all things are a new creation which I thought was interesting because it didn't talk about restoring the old. It says that in God we are a completely new

creation. You know what I mean? So like I was looking at it at first like I'm restoring my heart but then when you're saying that I'm like no I didn't restore my heart I got a whole new heart. This is a brand new heart Joe. You know what I mean? Yeah. It might be cloaked as the old one but God touched it. It's a whole

new heart baby. Well it's a different heart. Well, isn't every seven years, doesn't every cell in your body get replaced by new cells? Isn't that what the number is?

That's crazy. And it happens on a holy number.

Throw that into our sponsor, Perplexity, and find out if that's nonsense. But I think that's true. I think that's what happens. So you do have a chance to be a new human being. And think that it would happen on a holy number like that. It's a myth! God damn it! No! Shit. Every seven years is a myth.

Different cell types have very different lifespans and some last a lifetime. I think neurons last a lifetime. Seven year figure is a rough average estimate of cell age. Oh, okay. So it's not a total myth. Not a fixed cycle where everything is swapped out all at once. Some tissues renew very fast while others renew slowly or hardly at all,

which averages out to several years if you look at all the cells together. So, intestinal lining cells renew every two to five days. Wow. Stomach lining turns over roughly every two to nine days. Skin surface cells replace roughly every few weeks. Liver cells are typically renewed on time scales of many months to up to a few years, bone cells

take up to a decade to fully remodel a skeleton, muscles and cells. Anyway, cells

are changing all the time. God, it's constantly renewing, baby. Yeah. Feels good, man. A whole different human. We were talking about it when I first came to your club I couldn't walk all the way up the steps without stopping like every seventh step and today was my Me and cam did my first 10k yesterday. We did a little bit over did six five So today was recovery run day. I did two and a half miles just having a conversation with you while you're swinging kettle Yeah, just chilling doing two and a half miles on a treadmill. Just chatting, just watching the Peter Jan fight again.

And you had a nice pace, you were casual doing it.

I feel good.

Yeah, you could tell you've been working. You know, it's not like a new thing. Your body's acclimated to it. You could really tell.

It's like, and I heard Tony Robbins once say that we grossly overestimate what we can do in a year and we underestimate what we can do in a decade. And for people that might be listening to this that are dealing with severe obesity, I want to give you this game. You will grossly overestimate what you can do in 90 days but underestimate in what you can do in a year when it comes to your health. It was right around my 30, I turned 41 three days ago,

and it was right around my 39th birthday that I started really considering taking the step to try to make a major change in my life. And I thought about it around my birthday because I knew my next one was 40. You know what I mean?

And I was like, I don't think I've ever met a 500 pound 40 year old. They don't go around very often. Usually that's when they drop off. And it felt like I'd already cheated the game. I'd had multiple heart issues, you know. And I was like, man, I should really start trying to figure this out. I felt like I could feel myself dying, Joe. You know? And it was crazy because I spent most of my life

thinking that when I get to this point, or I never thought I'd get to this point, we'll start there as far as success.

But I-

Even your hands look smaller. Dude.

You have new hands. I've had to change my oar ring size five times in this process. I literally, I've changed clothes for two years straight. I'm looking at your hands like he has different size hands now. It's crazy. Everything dude. I haven't seen you in how long? It's been at least a year and a half. It's been a year and a half we did the pod. I was

in this pod bragging about being 420 pounds because I'd lost 120 pounds and I was in here excited about those 120 you know and I would have never guessed it. I've lost I pounds and I was in here excited about those 120, you know, and I would have never guessed it. I've lost Ilya Teporia since then. You know what I'm saying? I've lost a whole nother, a whole nother, when my chef said it best, he said, when Charles

Oliveira fell off of Michael Chandler's back, that was what you lost in the last, since

the last time you've seen Joe be like if a Michael Chandler just jumped off your shoulders. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy Joe. It's crazy. When I go walk with my dog I put a 45 pound plate on a pack and when I get done with the walk I take it off I'm like whoo that ain't shit. You were walking around with an extra 300 fucking pounds. Cam said

this yesterday was so funny, he said, you know why you're inspiring so many people? He said, think about how much David Goggins inspired people because he went from 300 pounds to getting in shape. He said, and you've lost David Goggins at his biggest.

I'd never even thought of it that way. I was like, wow, I was like, yeah, that's a whole. You lost a whole David Goggins. My surgeon said I have 35 pounds of skin on me now. Wow. I mean you've seen it. I showed you my shirt off stuff. But it's like it's crazy dude. That's crazy. Just 30 pounds, 5 pounds of extra skin. Just extra skin. That's crazy. It's just hanging off the front of me right now. Somebody said doesn't that

hurt? I was like not as bad as the 500 that was hanging I'll take these 35 over that all day dude way way fair exchange. So what was you you

knew you were doing bad you knew your body was not it was not going to be able to function at that weight for very much longer and so what was the pivotal moment

where you made this decision? Here's this is good this is why I wanted to do this with you thank you for letting me have this space? This is why I wanted to do this with you. Thank you for letting me have this space because this is what I want people to hear is that every time I thought I had a critical moment, it was an emotional moment.

So I'd get all fired up. I've been trying to lose this weight my whole life and I'd yo-yo 50, 70 pounds down, go back up. Me and my nutritionist, Ian Larios, were looking at notes yesterday. I spent most of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds. Like that year. That's how much I fluctuated just a year up and down. Crazy. You know, so it's like I was just such a...

So when I sat down to try to lose it this time, I said I'm gonna take a different approach. I'm gonna really take my time with it and I'm gonna think about what I'm doing and be intentional I'm not gonna let it be an emotional thing where you just jump up and go I'm gonna go run in the day and do to do and I was like Let me let me figure this out and clearly I've dealt with drug addiction. So I was like, maybe there's something here like how come I

Actually had this in my notes. Overeating wasn't a failure of willpower for me. It was a biological loop that I didn't know how to interrupt.

That's a good way to put it.

You know what I mean?

The problem with food addiction, as opposed to every other addiction, is that you have to keep doing the thing you're addicted to.

You have to.

It's the only one.

And it's everywhere. Not that crack isn't everywhere, and heroin isn't everywhere, but it's... That's not, I've never... There's not heroin on this table. You know what I'm saying? There's a cookie on here somewhere probably.

There has been. Yeah. But food is something that you need to sustain you, to keep alive. Like, imagine if you were a gambling addict,

but you had to play a few gotta play at least two. You have to stay alive. Yeah, so you can imagine I started, and with that mentality I said, well the first thing I'll do is, let me, you know, how can I cut back how much I'm eating? And less eating periods. But the first thing I did was started,

every time I said I was gonna lose the weight, Joe, I said I lied to myself. We talked about this. I would tell myself, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna go do that, and then I'd go tell my family that. So the lie started with me though. You know, there's a big person listening to this right now

or a drug addict or somebody who wants to change some part of their life that right now is going, I'm gonna start next Monday. You know, or I'm gonna start, they have a start date. And then that Monday comes and they never do it. I told you, I was like every other fat fuck. Even when I finally did it on Friday, I was like, Monday, I'm waking up a change in my life.

And I was like, but I had an idea. I was like, I'm not cutting out food, I'm not dealing with nothing crazy, I'm gonna do two small things first. I'm gonna cold plunge, him. That's how just naive I was to the whole thing at first. I was like, Dana's cold-plunging, he got in shape. I was like, and I reached out to Gary immediately, like right around that 39th birthday, I reached out to Gary Breka and

I just sent a message to Breka Blind that said, do you work with fat people? I hadn't seen a real case study of fat people yet. And lucky for me, Alina, their their daughter, him and Sage's daughter was a country music fan. So she comes in like, you ever heard of Jelly Roll? And they're like, no. She's like, you gotta listen to this song and then you gotta help them. So Gary called and Gary was like,

and I said, Gary, I'm gonna start by, he said, just start by trying to get 10,000 steps a day and getting in a half mile walk. That first Monday comes, Joe, it is pissing rain. Pissing rain. I mean, cats and dogs, dude. And I wake up and I'm like, shit. And I've been studying about lying to yourself.

That when you tell yourself you're gonna do something and you don't do it, your body then starts to know that you don't mean what you say. So now when you tell your body to do something your body looks at you like bitch You ain't never met what you said to me, right? You've never followed through. What do you fuck you? You think I'm gonna run cuz you tell me to run dude You lie to me all the time

And I was in that concept and I came out that morning dressed up in my stuff and I was like man that rains pretty Hard and my family and this wasn't them being a lack of support Joe This was just I think my wife's like, it's okay, Papa. Or my daughter was like, just wait till the rain quits or do it on the treadmill or something.

But in my mind, I was like, no, I'm going outside, you know? And I was like, I'm done lying to y'all and I'm done want to get emotional this early.

But I'm good.

There's nothing wrong with emotions, brother.

I'm coming...

I'm coming back from that walk. And'm coming up my driveway it's up a big hill I'm bringing in camel to it's a huge hill and I'm coming up the driveway to the hill and all my family's out there cheering me on, clapping, hands up. I've done nothing but lie to them for years about this weight. I had done nothing. I'd never proved to them that I was gonna change or that I'd be a man of my word in any regard.

They had every reason not to go out there and cheer me on. And that was like a big moment. That was the moment, you know, where I was like, damn. And I realized that in addiction, that in addiction, the family will kind of cater to the addict. It's nature.

You know, like if somebody in your family was a drug addict, you would help with their kids or you would, you know, you would, you would feel a need to help in their absence. It's what we do as a family, it's human nature. And I realized then how much my addiction had been hurting his family. You know, how much that my sex life

with my wife was horrible. Dude, I married a fucking big titty, blonde, beautiful woman, dog. You know what I mean? Like I married the kind of woman that makes you smile when you're crying you know and I couldn't I couldn't even get aroused I was so big I mean I was having to play I was having to play twister to have sex

left foot here right foot in the X you know are we are we in there yet tell me if you feel something I mean it was bad you know my daughter I think about my son you know my brother would have to go throw football with him. I was too big to throw the football. And I was like, that's what my addiction has done to these people.

And here they are cheering for me. Oh dude, we're turning up. We're gonna figure this out. So then I knew it was a mental thing. And I read a book called The Fox, The Horse, The Mole and The Boy. And I read a book called the Fox the horse the mole and boy you ever heard of this book

No, it's a children's book Jamie if you don't mind pulling it up because it's um, it's just it's just It's somebody kind of recreated Winnie the Pooh, but for our kids, you know And it was a children's book and I open it up and it has a moment where it goes Yeah, the other boy the Fox and Mike. Oh, I have seen this Joe You want to talk about a seven minute read that will change your life? but there's a quote in there that goes I forgot if it was the mole, but the Fox or something looks at the horse and goes what's the hardest thing you've ever done in your life and

The horse goes ask for help Yeah, it's just all these like really cool little things. But when he said ask for help, I was like, wow. I need to ask for help. It's like whenever I was addicted to drugs and I had to walk in that room for the first time

and go, I don't have control. So I called a company called Onsite that does therapy. And I went and spent two weeks with a lady named Mary B who wrote the curriculum for food addiction in the world. Like she is a 80 something year old woman with glasses, sweet soul of a woman.

And we locked in a cabin. And she said, we're gonna figure out what this is. And I spent, I'd say maybe two or three weeks in his cabin with this sweet old woman. And it was like no phone, out in the woods. I walked every day, I

played with the horses. I mean I just went laid in grass. And it really took me all the way back through all my years. And it was the first time that I didn't just try to rush to lose the weight. I tried to figure out what why I was carrying the weight. You know and that's whenever I figured out that overeating for me wasn't a failure of a discipline. I'm a pretty disciplined guy. It was just a biological thing

I hadn't learned how to interrupt. I'd been doing it my whole life. It had been my constant go-to for stress. It was everywhere all the time. I was eating for, I had to start figuring out what I was actually hungry for.

When we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups like if you're 340 pounds here 330 pounds here you know that's pot depending on your height of course you might be dealing with a discipline issue maybe you just like extra food we can make small changes and get that off you start getting over 300 320 you start that starts being morbid obesity like there starts to be a real thing there you know and I'm seeing it more now because I talked to tens twenties of guys that are over 500 pounds

that have reached out to me like, please, what is this magic, Yoda? You know what I mean? I'm like, consistency's the magic. But one, once I realized why I was eating, 80, here's the note I took from therapy.

I had my wife translate all my notes from when I was out there. And it goes change first of all you change the way you think and talk but because 80 to 90 percent of compulsive eating happens between the ears not the teeth so the average obese person is that big and I learned this from her is that they're only eating 20

percent of what they're thinking about eating this is an all-day loop that's enough in your head, it's like a drug addiction. You know, I used to walk in, me and Schultz laughed about this, I used to walk in rooms and scan.

Like, I would walk in a room like the Predator. Like, I would do one thing like the Terminator and be able to look you in the eye and be like, there's a bottle of Snickers on that counter, They have some Lay's potato chips over there like I knew my way it was mostly sugar all sugar Me and you were talking about doing sugar what processed food? I I didn't you know they said so Gary was like get on a keto diet or a whole food diet at first And I was like I don't think I eat whole foods now at all anyway, so I think I just eat

Processed foods with maybe protein in it. You know I mean, I don't Dude, I haven't ate a piece of bread except for Thanksgiving in two years. Joe, I was colorblind. We talked about this. I was.

Yeah, this is a crazy story.

This is a true story, Joe. My wife will tell you, she laughs about it now, but I couldn't see, I seen shades of colors. Like, general concepts, but like hunter green, emerald green, like, green to me I never realized there was nuances and prettiness and that some were brighter and tone different. I just seen them like shades So bad that like that's why I wore black Johnny cast was a lot of it

But to you know, I'd always have to ask people to my shoes match, you know, I was always off Dude, I'd say nine months into no sugar. I Started I think I forgot what it was, but it was a plant at our house. And I come outside and I grab my wife and I go, dude, how long have we had that pretty purple tulip there? Or whatever it was. And she goes, what?

I was like, that is the prettiest purple plant I've ever seen. She was like, you've walked by that plant for two years. What are you talking about? Was like there's no way we've had a plant that pretty I didn't notice it for two years. It was bright purple Joe I mean it was screaming. Holy robe purple and Slowly, I started looking around the next few days and over the next months. I was like, I'm seeing clear color

I couldn't quit talking about I bought coloring books My wife was laughing this bitch used to have to give me a tie to match to go to court You know what I'm saying? And I'm in there coloring, you know what I'm saying? She's like, what are you doing? I was like, you want to color? And I've got like 300 coloring pencils set. I was in a deer blind with Cam Hain talking his face off about a bird yesterday. He goes, I didn't know you like birds like that.

I was just, I like color.

He was like, really? So it had to have been the sugar must have been it must have been just rampant inflammation through your whole body Massive lack of nutrients it was in your body probably is like fuck colors. Let's just keep this dude alive. That's it Yeah, yeah fuck colors. Just keep him alive damn this episode is brought to you by on X hunt hunters Listen up millions of hunters use the on X hunt app and here's why it turns your phone into a GPS that works anywhere even without cell phone service. You'll see exactly where you are, every property line, and who owns the land. You can connect your cellular trail cams, drop

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Yeah. It was, I'd never planned on living, Joe. Like ever. Like it was never in my plan, like of life. Even as I was getting successful, I was like coming out here and like life was getting good for me and in my mind

I was like, okay good when I die, at least my kids might be okay, and they won't be ashamed of me That's how I was thinking Joe I was literally thinking that way in my mind I was just pushing like if I could just Get this machine down a little bit. my kids won't be ashamed of me. They won't have to be the dad. At least their daddy died of obesity because he had mental health issues, but he was a cool fucking dude, man,

that did some cool stuff, you know? And it was like, I never would have thought I could have this kind of life. I never thought I could, even when I sat here and talked to you before, in my mind, I could relapse and overdose. I'm not

thinking right most of the time. You know, to like sit here and look at you now like, dog I'm gonna be a 70 year old man when you bubble. You know what I'm saying? Like dog, you know what I'm saying? Like it's gonna be cool. You was talking about You mind if I run through these for a second? Yeah, please. Well, let me preface this. So because I want to talk about the labs, you were talking about my inflammation. But I got with Gary Breckin. I did a blood test.

And this is something else I encourage big people to do. And your basic provider will pay for it more often than not. If you have just like a standard insurance, just tell them you want to see your insulin level. Because I was diabetic, but I wasn't insulin resistant. So my diabetic marker, when I first got checked, my A1c was a 6.4, okay? Which is the threshold of what being a diabetic is, a pre-diabetic.

The last point of being a pre-diabetic 6.4 and I thought that when you are when your blood work says you're a pre-diabetic for 15 years whatever you know what I mean like we're not gonna kill me or nothing I've had yeah that's what it said last time I'm fine and then finally they checked for my insulin it was over 40 Joe it. It was like insane. And I don't want to get this wrong.

What's it supposed to be? It's like under five.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah. So what happens is when your body goes to burn when you fast, it has to burn through all your insulin before it'll start burning through your reserved fat. So when you're at that high of an insulin level in your blood, you're having to fast so you're hardly ever getting to the resort fat burn, it's because it's just constant insulin.

So, and this is where GL1Ps come in. This would be a great time to talk about this. So Gary goes, hey man, your insulin's high, we'll just give you a shot, and this'll change all this. And I was like, cool, send it, whatever, I'll try it. My wife's manager Mimi started the shot did wonders for but she had the worst stomach issues. I have a bad stomach I started calling people and going hey man. How's this shot working? I was like dude. We're losing weight food noise is gone

You got to try it. I was like, what's the side effect? There's like one bad side effect. It tears your gut up And I was I had a so I had bad reflux And you know, that's the worst thing a singer can have. Nothing is worse for us than reflux. So I got scared of it. So I called Gary and I was like, Gary, I can't do it. I'm afraid of it. So then I started doing research and I was like,

well, if I'm not gonna do this, I'm gonna have to fast to get my insulin levels down a lot. So I was fasting and I was losing like next to no weight. And as a big dude, that's the most encouraging thing, discouraging thing, is when you're actually not lying to people. Because, you know, as a fat person, I'm programmed to lie like a drug addict. Like, what did you eat today? Oh, grilled chicken and salads.

And I just ate seven Snickers, you know? So it's like, or I brush it off like a big thing. My nutritionist would come in and be like, did you eat something last night after I left I'd be like yeah, yeah, I just ate a little bit not bad just a little bit a little bit bad But I wouldn't quantify what a little bit bad was it was a you know, you know, it's like So I was just in a I I wanted to start being way way more honest about everything in the process And that's was probably the biggest thing. So I would not lose the weight and I'm like, I promise you in I didn't eat nothing. But what you handed, Bubba. He's like, just stick with it. And I just stayed with it, stayed with it.

And then Gary got turned into Gary Brekka and took over the world. And I was lucky for me, I bumped into your friend, a guy named Brigham down here in Texas. And he introduced me, you've met Denise, right?

Denise?

Sure, I love her. who really, Gary started this journey for me and I'll never be able to thank him enough for it, but she brought it home. And Gary probably would have, but she had a brick and mortar and was just easier to get to. Gary travels the world. And I go to her and she goes,

she runs my blood again and my insulin got down to like 37 by fasting. And she goes, you're against the GO1p's aren't you I was like well, I made it this far I don't want to do it with an asterisk now now it's just stubbornness at first it started out of a fear now I'm just fucking stubborn, you know and And this is where I don't want to hide anything that I did do because I think it'll help people She said there's an alternative

She said if you took a fourth of a dose of metformin which is a 2,000 milligrams what they would prescribe a diabetic one. Let's say we give you 500 milligrams, which is a real low dose, once a day, until we just see this marker go down. She said, it might take a year because we're not trying to rush it and throw a bunch of GL1s at it. We're like, we're just going to do this really slow. And that's what we did. In the first month, I listened to her and I was losing, you know, I think I looked at the Ian's, that number we were looking for. You know what I mean, of what we expect from a guy my size. But it was just that easy.

Now my insulin, so I said all that to give you this. Oh, I'm so excited about this, Joe. My insulin was over 40. My insulin two weeks ago at Ways to Will with Dr. Denise was 4.6. My A1c was crazy, right? And that was just, we've only been on the Metformin for a year in November. So I think we're gonna come off of it now.

A1c was 6.4, it's now 5.4, which that marker is a three month average of your blood sugar. Like, that's a real number to move that much. I know it doesn't seem like a big number in a year, but that's like crazy. Crazy my C-reactive was like in the sixes and it's 1.2 now. That's an inflammation marker vitamin D Well, I was getting sick all the time was a 28

Vitamin D is at a hundred. This was the big one too. And this is where they say are you natty? I say no, sir Absolutely, not. I'm a 40 year old male. There's no way I was going to be natty. My testosterone Was one of a prejuvenile child when you're that big. It was in the 50s. And you know it should be in the 750s. My free test was 2.3, Joe Rogan.

My free test, you know what it is today? 149. I fucking, you remember that problem we talked about with my wife? Not anymore. I'm walking around the house like a tiger

I'm throwing over my shoulder like a caveman and throwing her on the bed every time I see her You know what I'm saying? It is awesome. You know and it changed these were and I encourage people that like If you can get your blood checked there might be something there, you know what I mean? It might not be something big, you know, I still could have lost the weight without the metformin, but it might have took another year. You know what I mean? If I would have just had to keep nicking it down

a pound a week, because I was just having to get that insulin down so slowly. And that helped a ton. And the test, of the fat starts burning. I'd done the mental work. I'd started really figuring out like why I was eating the way I was eating. Because once I recognized a pattern, my three R's changed it for me. It was reset, reconnect, re-engage. So every time I would go into my pantry to eat something

because I'm a binge eater, I'd stop. My therapist taught me this that on-site I'd stop and I'd reset so I'd step out first thing get out of the pantry I have no business in here bad place for me go somewhere. I'm safe where I can connect near my wife or somewhere safe Reconnect what was you in a pantry for? What version of you what storyline of yours walked in that pantry was it's 15 year old jelly that thought he was a gangbanger And thought he was a thug that was just trying to be cool There was actually a sad little boy that couldn't connect with people Is that the boy that just walked in there and try to eat some cookies?

Or is this a 35 year old man that a 39 year old man that stressed from work? But I tell you what you're not in there eating the cookies for us because you need them You just ate a great meal. You feel fucking awesome. You know what I'm saying? Like there's nothing about that cookie That's good for you. And also Jason, you know, not a one cookie kind of guy You know, I'm saying you're gonna go eat the bag of cookies, you know And then then then I reconnect then I re-engage because sometimes you go through all that you go, you know What though I was thinking in there, but I do need to go grab the salt But where I'm so programmed it's back to old storylines. I walk into some, I've been going into the pantry bed

for so many years, I walk in there and forget what I'm in there for. I have to, because if I sit there long enough then it's like, oh, well there's a.

There's some stuff that you can eat that does nothing. Like if you just want to munch on something, man, get some celery and some radishes. Those motherfuckers have like zero calories. Raspberries and blueberries were a big one for me.

They don't have zero calories.

They have calories.

But you could eat, Mike, a bucket of them before you get into the hundreds of calories. If you want to have some raspberries with some salt on them, or not some raspberries,

rather some radishes with some salt on them and some celery, there's nothing in that. You just eat it and you don't have to worry at all. You're just getting some fiber and some nutrients.

Pickles.

Pickles are great.

Pickles are another one I'd get on to.

Oh yeah.

And also, if you get good fermented pickles, they're actually good for your gut.

Yeah. I did all the cheats early. So when I say cheats nutritionist and go, hey man, just feed me whatever looks like the most food. Fluff it up, you know what I mean? I want a big serving of food, because it's my thing.

And the cool thing is now I'm in a place where I'm looking for density. Like my relationships changed that much with food. Now I'm looking like, yo, what is, like do I have to eat this? Is there enough protein in this or can I only eat half of it? And not because I have the weird relationship

with food other ways, now I'm just really feeding myself for what I need, you know what I mean? Like I actually have a healthy relationship with food now, Joe. Like I look at, and it's not unhealthy in a way that was like if you cooked a big steak right now,

like you want one? I'd be like know I mean I just wouldn't eat bread right there's just certain things I haven't apps it's like a drug addict thing for me it's like there's just certain things I just can't do no matter what yeah you know red is the one bread and pasta are the one why does it have to be the ones that are so oh but um I learned how to make all the good stuff better by the way like better, but Larios is really,

so a lot of my weight loss has come from, like I used to always hear you say that you got into podcasting and talking to people about stuff you were just interested in, like conversations you just thought were cool. And then I thought about, that's like the approach to life.

You know what I mean? It's like get like dig it do it you know and find draw inspiration from there. So I was watching. Dig it do it. Yeah you know dig it do it. And I was watching UFC one night which I'm a fan too and I was this was six years ago and I was like I wonder who's helping these guys get on the scale. You know what I mean? I was like most of these fighters are poor, not in a bad way. You know, they're coming up.

I was like, I bet I could pay equal pay. This was six years ago. I was like, I wonder who it is. And I got introduced to George Lockhart. You know what And I call him, he's in Georgia for the holidays. He drives up to Tennessee to see me.

We end up hanging out. George and me are buddies to this day and, you know, George is like, let me find you a guy. And that's how he found me Ian Larios, who just came in to do nutritionist. He did a bunch of bully bees camps, but he's been with me. to tell me this Joe, they said, well of course you lost the weight, it's easy, you got money, you know what I mean? I was like, buddy, money can't make you run these six miles.

No, everybody who says that is just making an excuse for why they haven't done it themselves. You can't ever say, of course you did it, you have this. Just fucking do it.

Just go do it.

Just do it. And yeah, it going to be hard, but you can do it.

Well, the biggest thing too is stick with it, Joe. That's my heart, y'all. It's like, that's why I said give yourself one year, not three months. Because if I gave myself three months, I'd have been upset. I didn't lose enough weight. It didn't go the way it's supposed to go. I went back into my shame spiral. We were talking about this my whole thing was stress, overwhelm, food, shame, repeat. That's what I did. I lived in that spiral. You know what I mean? And it's like, I've been working hard, I'm not getting it, sad me, I'm gonna go to the

pantry and punish myself, you know, I'm never gonna lose this weight. Where it's like if I'd have just waited for the year and really said, no, I'm gonna go Which is why when me and cam ran on this birthday of mine It was so important to me because I was like two birthdays ago was the first day I even thought about changing my life, you know, and even last birthday. I was 400, you know, 380 pounds and now this birthday I'm running a 5k with cam Haynes, you know what I'm saying?

Like dude y'all can change it if you hated your birthday this year. Just give yourself a year You have a whole different birth. It's hard for people because they want immediate gratification You know, they really want it all to happen immediately, especially in this society that we exist in today where everything I mean This is why GLP ones are so enticing for people because you can get immediate gratification you know and Sometimes you got to just you got to focus on little victories. These little tiny victories. Today I didn't eat cake.

That's a little victory, you know? And momentum is everything. It's like that first day when your family was cheering you. That's what it's all about. It's all about you did it. You went out in the rain when you didn't want to.

You did it, you came back, now you've got momentum. You have that good feeling of success, and that will enable you to continue to chase that good feeling. That's the good addiction. I'm clearly addicted to exercise.

If I take a couple days off, I don't feel right. If I take a day off, I feel weird, I feel squirrely. Like I got all this extra fuckin' weird shit, leave me alone You know what I mean? I get your bones off. I get weird man. I get weird I feel weird if I don't do it, and I know people like that's horrible you something wrong with you Sure, but it's a good thing wrong with me. I'm addicted to a good thing right. I'm addicted. I'm addicted to staying healthy

Yeah, you know they? They say addicts, addiction swap. Oh yeah.

Yeah, I've never had a bad addiction, fortunately. But I've had a bunch of addictions. You know, I've had like video game addictions, I'm addicted to playing pool, I was addicted to martial arts. But I've been addicted to like things that are beneficial.

Luckily. Luckily. But I'm scared of all the other ones. I know that I know it's the same thing How much of that do you think has played a part in your environment of friend group? It's huge huge because if you can get around a bunch of other people that are addicted to good things Then you're all just doing good things and you're all feeding off of each other. Yeah, that's it's everything man You imitate your atmosphere always

This is why I can't be around negative people I just I'm too sensitive and I'm around negative people first I try to help them then I try to coach them then I try to like like See the world through their eyes and then I'm reacting to them and then I'm like fuck man. You're not helping me I'm not helping you right? You're just dragging me into your vibration and I don't like it and if you don't want to change There's not much I can do with this. And so I got to just ghost you. Yeah, I got a

Separate because you if you save a drowning man, you know, sometimes you can drown yourself, you know And there's a lot of people out there that have wasted Years and years of their life in toxic friendships. Yeah, you know with negative people That's what made me bring it up easy to do man. It's not it's not a Mark on your character

It's a normal thing that people do and when you're around a bunch of people that are positive and that are inspirational then all of a sudden you start holding yourself accountable you like you know what would David Goggins do right now what would cam Haines do? yeah what would Jocko do and then that that's a good thing what would Rogan do

yeah you know you don't like it when we give you compliments but we think about it I said that cuz like I wondered if that was for you because the biggest thing to my note here is new playground new playmates you can't heal in the environment that hurt you yeah you know and it's like I started praying for new friends five years ago like on my knees to God directly like God I've done everything I can for every friend I brought with me along the way everybody

who came with me can't go with me everybody's not growing at the rate I'm growing right I need new rate I'm growing. I need new friends. I'm hanging around, you know, when I was cheating on my wife, I was hanging around people

that were cheating on their wives. When I was drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons of cocaine, I was hanging around people that was doing tons of alcohol and tons of cocaine. send me some friends, just send me some new interests. And then I'd start bumping into, I guess six, seven,

whatever it was years ago, guys like Cam Haines, guys like Goggins. And I didn't realize it then when they came into my universe it was just from a distance in a YouTube channel, like oh this dude's fucking nuts, who's this guy screaming at the camera

running all these males? Yo, who is this guy that won't quit his job? That is like the greatest bow hunter ever and runs ultra marathons and is refusing to quit his job. The internet's like campaigning, quit your job, Cam. You know what I'm saying? I was like, who are these guys? These guys are awesome, you know?

And even then, that's where the little scared kid of me comes out like, oh man, but you can't do that, dude. Like being able to talk to a guy like that or being able to run or like you're just too far. Even down to bow hunting. I'm a felon so I'm not allowed to possess a firearm or be within a thousand feet of one knowingly. So I've never been able to hunt. Well, I didn't think about the loophole.

Y'all know it. The bow, I can bow hunt. But also then you're 500 pounds was like, I'm really gonna bow, huh? You know what I mean? Right, but it was new playgrounds new playmates, you know what I mean? And I Started really believing that and like just finding that my uncle always said if you hang around now and you'll be the tenth So just look at the nine closest to you and even if it wasn't a friends at first It was just me being inspired by different stuff back to digging it do it

You know what I mean? Like dig it, do it. And I got into this, I was into, I signed up for the Two Bears 5k because Bert was my friend and I thought their podcast was funny. I never even met Tom. You know what I mean? I was like, this is a cool way to do it. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like yeah, I'm on the my first 5k in May everybody!" You know what I'm saying? It's like, and I'm like, I'm ready and uh and I call Cam because we're friends by then and I'm all excited 470 walking my first two miles a mile that day or whatever it was. I ran a whole walked a whole mile called Cam. I'm doing a 5k

Cam, Cam I'm surprised Cam did Cam could have rolled faster he could have crawled you know what I'm saying we watched both of his kids run by us three times in jeans you know what I'm saying and but that's like it goes back to changing your friends like yeah it was a guy that wanted to lift me up a guy that Cam used to tap me on the shoulder when I was 500 pounds and go dude dude, we're gonna bow hunt one day.

I'm gonna take you bow hunt, dude. And I would remember thinking, this motherfucker's crazy.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, there's no way me and this dude are ever bow hunting, you know? And we're bow hunting, you know, I just came out of a blind this morning. I've been down there bow hunting with Cam, ran my first 10K with him yesterday, but it was it was completely the the new playground, new playmates thing for me.

Yeah, you know? Yeah, it's fuel. If you can get around people that are real positive and they're doing good things and they're excited about life, it's very contagious. Yeah, it is. I think that's one of the really positive things about the internet, that you can be introduced to the way these people live their lives and you can see videos on them you can hear them talk on podcasts and you can realize that people like this exist and then try to find them you know and try to find people like that and try to become like them

you can you can you could assume those positive attributes and you can incorporate them into your life it It's completely possible. Sure

Yeah, and it's real. I mean I did it I am an ex somebody is listening to this right now and as crazy as this is gonna sound I was you Eight years ago. I was listening to the Joe Rogan podcast It was the beginning of me starting to be like what I put in my body comes out What I eat I shit what I drink I piss what I put in my body comes out. What I eat, I shit. What I drink, I piss. What I hear, I believe.

And then I realized I was listening to a bunch of true crime, a bunch of negative stuff on my phone all the time. I was watching fist fights at bars like this was my algorithm. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? My algorithm was just completely fucked. So it's like, okay, I need to start changing my, I need to find cooler stuff to put into my algorithm, things, more knowledge, learning stuff.

Tell me, what have you done with the phone thing? So the phone thing is interesting.

It's been real interesting. I got one now. I got one two months ago. I took a year, so part of the weight loss,000 unread text messages of people's like, congratulations. And I was just like, oh God, I was missing like big messages, you know?

Yeah, that's a problem with me. Yeah. I got that problem.

Yeah, I could imagine where you look back and you're like, the president text me. Not me, but I bet that's happened to you. Where you're like, dude, this is crazy. And I was like, I think that I was using it as another way not to connect. I have an avoidant personality, like I'll isolate.

Or I can do it just right in a room full of people if I hop on the phone. And I was just like, man, I wanna be more present. You know, I remember sitting doing stuff with my son and daughter and I was like scrolling Instagram, once again, watching bar fights, you know, nothing nothing that was helping. You know what I mean? I was like, I'm just right I'm just like completely disconnected another really it's another yeah and with my personality

I got to watch those so I got a phone two months ago, and I just didn't put social media on it Yeah, I have YouTube because that's my app and I'll trust you know, YouTube is where I get good stuff It doesn't give me 60 second burst of shit. I don't need it gives me a long form of good stuff You know what I mean? I find channels that I like really dig and it's like back to new playground new playmates I never I know I'm super late to the party never heard of the outdoor boys until last year Okay, whoa, I've been missing a whole new thing of life. You know what I mean? He's back right? He's doing it again

He's back ish. Yeah, he took some time off, right? I think he felt like the whole- Got overwhelming. Yeah, the success of his channel got too crazy.

Too fast.

He didn't enjoy the pressure.

You know what I think he was doing? This is, you want to speculate a little bit together about this? I think he was doing the coolest dad thing ever. Because he goes on there and goes, look, this has been a little overwhelming for me and my family. Me and my wife are out of this. And frankly, I got two boys that want to be YouTubers themselves. So I think I'm just going to help them.

And I follow his son's channel. His son's got 3,000 subscribers. He camps by himself like his dad did. He's 12 years old doing solo camping trips. Dude, his name's Outdoor Tom. So it's like, and was like, dude, I think I'm just gonna leave this legacy for the boys, man. I'll just help them out. But he's kind of been poking his nose

back around here and there. And he helped his friend out that had cancer. I thought that was the coolest thing. What was the name of that channel, Jamie? I don't wanna blow this. They deserve a shout out,

because that was really cool. Yeah, yeah, he's a very interesting guy, you know, I wish he'd come talk to you I I would if he was interested. I definitely have him on I really have I watch a lot of those shows That's one of a part of my YouTube algorithm is dudes who go out into the woods by themselves

This is my new algorithm See, this is me trying to change my playgrounds because this is all back in into shape Joe. Mm-hmm like now I don't look at that as a Unachievable task I look at that like next winter me and Cameron go hunt somewhere. We're gonna take a fucking tent You know I'm saying we're gonna go out there and get lost in the woods camp on your back I think we can do it dude. I think I'm gonna be in shape enough to do it

You know you're probably in in shape to do it right now. Yeah you could do it. It's uh that's a beautiful thing man. It's a really beautiful thing and just to be out in the woods like that is it's a I think it's like a form of vitamin that people haven't recognized yet. It's medicine. Yeah there's something to it. I mean that sounds hokey and new-agey, but I'm telling you man If I don't get my time in in the woods At least a couple times a year three and I really want to do it a way more often

I just can't I just I'm just too busy, but it's it empties all the bullshit out of my life The mountains don't give a fuck what's going on in your life Or how many likes your last fucking social media post got or who's upset at you. They don't care. You know?

The mountains are the mountains. Those animals don't give a fuck if you just won the Grammy. You know? They don't give a shit.

Oh, Jelly Roll's here.

Let me offer my vitals.

No sir.

Not the case at all. There's no charisma out there, there's no cult of personality, there's no it's all it's just wild and it's beautiful. You always been outdoorsman? No I used to fish when I was a kid, I used to really love fishing and you know then I got away from all of it for a long time until

Ranella took me hunting and that's when I got that from all of it for a long time until

Rinella took me hunting and that's when I got that mule deer that one that's sitting on the table right there That's the first animal ever shot bow or rifle rifle. That was a rifle and then cam took me on my first hunt with a bow I got a black bear

That was your first time. Yeah. God. I'm trying to get him to take me one of those in May It's good, and I trying to get them to take me one of those in May. It's good. And I want to do elk next year. Bear is a good one because first of all, it's scary, you know, which I think is good.

And there's something about eating a bear that's just wild.

They're kind of fatty, right?

It feels crazy. Yeah, well, not that bad. I mean they definitely have a lot of fat on they taste good They take that's a big misconception. I mean, I've never eaten a grizzly bear, which I've heard are pretty rough But my friend Ryan Callahan just shot a grizzly bear and he says it's delicious I think the thing about a bear that's a little daunting for a lot of people is trichinosis and You have to cook a bear like

100 and I think there I think the number is 160 I think that's what it is where you you know you got to make sure that that meat is 160 degrees you know so you don't get any parasites because

trichinosis is rough. God I can't believe your first bow hunt was a bear. I'm on my first bow hunt as we speak and it's for a deer and I could definitely I needed to do this if I'm gonna see a bear. I am out there I mean

stomach and heart and stomach stomach and pants. I think Cam took me bear hunting because in Alberta the way they do it it's they do it over bait so they they set out oats and they use beaver carcasses and all these different things so the animals and people like oh that's cheating listen there is no other way to find these animals in Alberta there you're talking about dense forest dense forest it looks like a box of q-tips like you

can't see shit out there that you're not gonna find them before they see you coming or hear you coming or smell you coming. If you want to hunt them, you have to use bait or you have to use dogs. That's how they used to hunt them in a lot of places. They used to tree them with dogs and then people would shoot them. People are like, well, that's horrible too. You have to control their populations. If you understand wildlife biology and wildlife management, you must control the populations of predators.

And then, you know, like John and Jen up in Alberta, where they took me, they know how to cook bear, like really good. Jen is an excellent cook, and she'll cook a bear roast, and she rubs it down, puts it in a Traeger, and they'll slow cook it for 12 hours.

Oh, they're smoking the bear? Was it the bear you killed?

Oh my god.

You get to eat that one?

We definitely ate some of that too. And there's another thing that Ronella taught me called bear candy, which was great. It's like Chinese food. It's like sweet and sour bear. Wow. It was really good. And then Cam brought over some bear sticks, he gets some meat sticks made at this one butcher that he goes to, this one meat processing place. But you, bear is, the misconception is that bear tastes bad.

It does not taste bad. It tastes like beef. It tastes like a weird, beefy kind of animal. You know, here's a weird fun fact. When settlers or the pioneers first were making their way across North America, they didn't eat deer. They were eating bear. And they were using deer for skins. So a deer skin was worth one dollar. And that's where the term buck come from.

No fucking way.

Yes. The term a buck comes from the price of a deer skin.

No, and they were just throwing the meat away.

Exactly. Wow. How long ago was were just throwing the meat away. Exactly.

Wow. How long ago was this?

The 1700s, 1800s. They didn't know any better. Not only that, you know all those buffalo that people shot? Buffalo is very expensive meat. It's delicious. It's fantastic. I think it's superior to beef. They didn't eat the beef. They didn't eat the buffalo. They were eating their tongues. They were killing them initially for their tongues and then they would pickle the tongues and send them to New York. And people in New York were eating pickled buffalo tongues. Wow. They were throwing away thousands of pounds of

buffalo. Good buffalo meat. Yeah. Oh my god. Thousands of pounds. And then they started using their skins. So buffalo hides became valuable. But it wasn't the meat that they were after, which is crazy because they basically almost made them extinct. They came within a hair's breadth

of making bison extinct in North America.

God, just by giving away tongues.

Well, also because they opened it up to the market. So market hunting was a giant problem with wildlife in North America. So what that means is they didn't have refrigeration back then, right? so you needed a constant supply of meat and you know, you could salt things down and transport them that way and there's a bunch of different ways to

Avoid the breakdown of bacteria, but essentially you couldn't there was no fucking freezers, you know And so market hunting almost wiped out all the whitetail. It removed elk from most states. The states that have elk, wild elk right now, are a tiny handful of the states that used to have elk in like the 1600s, the 1700s. It's all the settlers came from wherever and they shot them all.

And they shot them all and brought them all to market. That was a lot of it. And so then they made market hunting illegal and then they designated areas public land and this is the Teddy Roosevelt thing and what they did was really an amazing,

what they did, an amazing example of conservation in North America that really doesn't exist anywhere else is our wildlife management and also our natural resources public land management. So we have public land in North America where you could apply for a tag, you could get it like we did with that mule deer. We shot that mule deer in Montana. We got a tag and we went out into the Missouri breaks.

And then we found that animal and shot it and ate it. And anybody could do that. It's part of you being an American if you fill out the right paperwork and pay for the tags. And all that pays for the management of this land and for wildlife biologists and park rangers and all those kind of different people that game wardens that that help you know

keep all this stuff managed. Wow. See I didn't know you could hunt public lands until recently whenever Cam and them were fighting back about the bill that

was trying to get rid of some of it. Yeah man they were trying to sell off some public land. It's a fucking dangerous, slippery slope. And you can't let that happen, ever.

It's kind of like freedom of speech, man. Any infraction of freedom of speech is a complete infraction of freedom of speech.

I mean, it's deteriorating really badly right now in the UK.

I'm loving the outdoors, though. I'm loving learning about it. Like even hearing you talk. I'm just over here like yes Oh, it's an amazing thing, you know, I just got my first hunting license yesterday You know what I'm saying day before yesterday, so it's a big deal for that's awesome I'm having you want to hear my first big amateur mistake. I made sure this is a good one I told you one of them, but I'll tell you why I didn't take it's like kind of it's not nippy, but it's like when the sun went down it was cool, but it was still you know I was so adrenaline up the

first night a doe comes out Joe and I thought I was going to shit myself. I mean I had to stand up I farted my stomach was bad it was just so it was every emotion I didn't think I was gonna feel and I'm doing it with like the greatest bow hunter ever sitting behind me and lucky for us Cam's a sweet dude so he's just entertained by it.

He really loves helping people get into bow hunting.

You know that speaks again to who he is. Like to be who you are and that could that be like me loving going and meeting first-time songwriters. Like I've never wrote a song and me be like that's my favorite let me sit down and show you how to start you know what I mean, which I don't necessarily feel that way to be honest So it's like for him to care, but I'm sitting there and the next morning we go And it's fucking cold, and I'm shaking anyways because I you know I'm nervous and I'm shaking cuz it's cold So when we go back that night

I bring my hoodie in case it gets cold But I don't put it on and we're sitting and as soon as the sun goes down a little bit, it gets cold in that blind bubble. And I'm sitting there like.

Well, you're also not moving.

Not moving at all.

If you were walking around in the cold, that's a different thing.

No, we're just sitting there, and I'm like, and I'm like cold, cold. And I don't even think about it. there's two does in front of us and there's a buck maybe 80 yards away. Cam said this and it's the most gangster thing, bow hunting starts where rifle hunting ends. Bow hunting begins where rifle hunting ends. The moment you see a buck when you're rifle hunting, for those listening that don't

know, you just shoot it. It's that easy. You see the buck, you better shoot it right then. As soon as you get a clean shot. The moment you see the buck you better shoot it right then. As soon as you get a clean shot. The moment you see the buck when you're bow hunting that's Operation Chill. Get them as close as you can get them and find the right shot. It's the total opposite of rifle hunting, which I haven't rifle hunted since I was 10 anyways. But um so I'm sitting there and it's cold and there's I see the buck in the back and

I'm like you know what? Can I ask you something? Yes, sir. You're not allowed to own a firearm? Are you allowed to operate one? No, sir. No, so you can't rifle hunt at all?

No, sir. I'm on my first hunt, pretty much.

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Well, this is interesting. I am... This is a slippery slope for me. I am up for a pardon this year. My paperwork has been sent in to my governor, and he considers pardons in every December. So every day, I'm just kind of praying.

You know what I mean? But even if he gives me the pardon, unfortunately, Tennessee has a zero forgiveness policy for violent offenders. So I would be pardoned, but I wouldn't be adjudicated. What's it called when they-

Exonerated?

Exonerated. I wouldn't be, the charges aren't completely gone. So what I'd have to do is, and this is my hope, is that my goal in this is that I want to reach out to legislation eventually and go, hey, like if nothing else, I'd like my right to hunt.

Like it's done a lot for my mental health. It's done a lot for my physical health. Like it's been a, being able to start going on that first bow, these are little markers that I put on the calendar, you know, when I'm 400-something pounds and I'm like, all right, next year Cam said he's taking

me on my bow hunt. I got to get there. You know what I mean? Like, all right, next year I'm not going to run that five can an hour and a half. I'm going to do it in 45 minutes. You know what I mean?

Like, these are those markers. somebody or killed somebody but I think that every it should there should be some path to redemption even if it takes 30 years put something unrealistic up there you don't can't get a speeding ticket for 20 years but like I think it's important for people to have a path to redemption I'm a redemption guy yeah you know if God didn't just show me so many paths you know what I mean then I

think it's one of the more beautiful aspects of Christianity right that it does offer you a path to redemption like a true legitimate path where you can become a different person.

Literally. And people not judge you on the old person anymore.

I get it for the public safety aspect of it. It's hard to know if a person's redeemed themselves. I get that.

It's hard. And if you make the wrong decision, man, I couldn't bear the burden of your conscious of that neither. But then you do have cases, and I know I'm not the only one, of people who have like, even little things, like I mean, outside of hunting, Joe, it's not that I'm a big, you know,

I don't have a, I just wish I could protect myself.

You know what I mean?

It's like, I'm a million dollars plus a year in security. Bill and half tomorrow of attic right to carry right you know I mean for sure you know but um but at least let me hunt I mean my heart's right I just want to feed the family and go out and spend some time with the boys and do some population control we don't kill them deer in Tennessee they're taking over anyways. You know what I'm saying? It's bad. There are every not like these monsters down here but they're everywhere.

Yeah well that place that you're at is a particularly unique place. Cactus Jack. Giant deer.

Dude, it's called Hunt Cactus Jack. I found this out. Do you remember the old vice president from here was called Cactus Jack? No. We looked this up, Jamie, this is a cool story. So the vice president, I think it might have been during Roosevelt's term maybe even, or

one of those, maybe Teddy, but his vice president was a Texas governor or something. And the guy was famous because he's the one who tried to make the cactus plant the Texas state plant. So they called him Cactus Jack because of that. And then Cactus Jack, yeah, that's the shit.

Yeah, there it is. That's Cactus Jack, dude.

Look at him.

Look at him, dude.

He looks like a cactus.

He looks like Cactus Jack. Yeah, Jim Nance Garner. Wow. Yeah, he was a lawyer, a long-time congressman. He was the one who tried to make the cactus the safe flower for Texas.

State flower.

Wow. Yeah.

Who was the vice president to Roosevelt? Yeah. The effort failed in favor of the blue bonnet, but Cactus Jack moniker stuck with him throughout

his long political career. So when he opened this place, how many years ago, the guy who bought it from him was super excited. He told me the story last night. That's Cactus Jack, dude. Cigar with two pistols. We could never get away with that right now in politics. I know, right? But Cactus Jack, he's a, but the ranch is great. The guy who owns it, Mr. Jerry, was telling me the history of it last night. They kept true Texas deer genetics.

A lot of the Texas ranches will have import genetics. And he was like, Cactus Jack was big about making this a tried and true Texas ranch. And he is dead set on dying by keeping it that way,

this guy Jerry that owns it. Well, it's like, especially South Texas, hunting white-tailed deer is like a religion.

It's a religion.

Yeah, it's a big thing for those folks. Big deal. And to grow big deer down there and to make sure that you manage the genetics correctly, like you don't shoot any animal that's under like six or seven years old.

And there's a place that I hunt in Utah that does that with elk. It's like they a really well managed place does that. They make sure it's like there's some places where when they have hunting season, everybody just goes out into the woods. Kids get a day off school and they shoot everything they can,

which is great. You get meat, it's great. But the problem is, if you want very impressive animals that are mature, which is also better for the entire genetics of the herd, because these are the animals that have lived a full life, they've spread their genes, and then you shoot them at the end, at the end of their life.

So they've had a long, and by the way when you're getting an animal, that's seven eight nine years old

They really don't have much time left. Well, you know, they were telling reality. You're so right about that They were saying some of them they'll try to wait and let them have another year and they won't make it, he said, so they've, yeah, no, they're dead at, this guy's doing it. I mean, obviously, I'm not the case study, Cam should talk about it, because I've been on one hunt, but the deer I see on my property back home, compared to these deer, these deer would eat those deer, you know what I'm saying? These deer would fuck those deer in the butt, you know what I'm saying?

It's a totally different thing. It is a different thing, but that's a very exceptional place.

So I go to put my hoodie on. That's where I fuck up, Joe. I'm cold in this fucking blind, and I say, Cam, hold my bow. I should have said, Cam, can I put my hoodie on? Because Cam would have been like, no. You know what I'm saying?

Right. But I was like slide one arm through, and I was gonna wait 30 seconds to slide the other arm through, because I didn't want to be shaking if I got my shot. And I seen my buck across the field.

Right.

But when I put first arm through and I looked up, it was like a movie, Joe. All three deer in the field went right into my soul and ran away. And I looked at Cam, I was like, that was me, huh? He was like, oh yeah, they don't like that stuff. I was like, fuck.

You can't move.

Never came back. No, never came back.

The sound is like, they hear everything like 10 times louder than you do. Look at their ears. Their ears rotate and turn and do this. Those are antennae listening for predators. So they hear the ruffling of clothes, they're like, what is that shit?

They were like, that's a human.

Yeah, that's a fucking human. And when they're down there, that's the main predator. The main predator is us.

No, it was amateur hour at the Apollo, dude. At least Cam got a hook-hoot out of it. I learned a big lesson, of course, too. Bro, they look at you too when a whitetail busts you they look you like that's a weird look. No it's like it's almost like he when I say they looked right up at me Joe it was like from from feed to eye contact with me I was like oh fuck you know what I'm saying I felt like a deer in headlights I was like oh shit he got me.

People put felt on the rest just so that when the arrow slides it's not making any sound. You gotta be real slow in how you draw back.

But it's something else, it's like rifle hunting, which I can't rifle hunt, but we have a bunch of stands on my property, and I'll go sit in them just to watch deer with my little boy. And that thing will be, there are two football fields away from where the deer are.

You'll be sitting up there with the heater on, listening to a podcast smoking a joint watching a deer like a gun I'd kill it you know what I'm saying right so I showed up first day with cam and I got my little weed pen in my pocket and as soon as we sat down and I seen a buck from here to a little bit past Jamie from me I was like oh yeah we can't smoke in here or talk I was like this is real it's a totally different thing it's's a different fear too. Like you get excited when you see one out of a blind from 100 yards, 200 yards, you

know, 50 yards, 70 yards. But when you see one 20 yards, 30 yards away from you and you're sitting there with just a stick with a piece of metal on it, kind of, you know what I'm saying? And a string. Ultimately you got a glorified, what came right after the slingshot. You know what I mean? You're like, this is me and this animal right now.

Yeah. It is the fucking craziest feeling I've ever felt in my life. Dude, I wrestled at SummerSlam. It felt like that. It felt like when Logan Paul was going to jump through the table. It was that feeling the whole time.

Yeah, this is it.

Oh wow, that's a really shaking dude. That's a big buck. Oh dude we had so much. We're having a, I'm having a time out. That's a tiny little hole you're shooting through. You see what I'm going through here? Look at him. You have a light on your pins? You have a sight light? No sir. Okay. Are you using a spot hog? What kind of sighting? I think so. Look at that beautiful bird. Cam set it up for me cam must be a spot Wayne is Wayne There's a bow rack. Yeah, Wayne. I love you Wayne shout out to Wayne. Yeah, you got a spot Oh, by the way, that's a booner. You're you're you're both. So me just dropped me off Kickstand for it. What do y'all beautiful archery country? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that, by the way. Oh, please

Cuz in the stand I'm having to hold it on my lap. You know what I mean? So Brigham hit him for me and was like, yo, while we're doing Rogan, can you just drop off a kickstand for Jelly?

So he dropped one on me. Hoyt has it set up so that they're retractable too, the way it's set up, it's perfect.

You can just set it down, it's perfect. and I have like 30 targets in my backyard now. And I sit with a hundred of them on my farm's back porch with like 30 targets, and now I literally wake up, let my dog out, and just let a hundred rip. First thing in the morning. Just rip a whole hundred. Takes me like 45 minutes, good exercise.

And I only have to pull them once.

It's also the concentration clears your mind because it's so hard to do. To hit a target, especially at a distance. Your whole thing is just, everything's gotta be like coordinated in sync and on that release and that arrow flies and goes right into there.

Ooh, I love it.

I love it. You're talking about concentration. It's one of the only things I've ever done that when I'm standing there, even over a target, especially over a deer, but even over a target, and I pull that bow back, it's like you said

about the mountains, like nothing in the world matters right now.

The world goes away.

I don't even hear my inner monologue. All I see is that little green pin on that target.

Fred Bear had a great quote about a troubled mind, like nothing clears a troubled mind like shooting a bow. And it's so true. It's like there's something about how difficult it is that it really requires everything of you. It requires all of your concentration.

You can't have, like, distracting thoughts, like, oh, I forgot to pay that bill. Oh, I got to call that guy back. Oh, I got to do this. Oh, I got to call that guy back. Oh, I got to do this. Oh, I got to do that. You can't have anything in there. And because of that, it's like a moving meditation. It forces you to be completely present in the moment.

And that cleans the mind out.

You're talking about moving meditation. I was thinking about when you were saying that, even down to the breathing.

Like, the importance of that. It's also you're going to learn how to manage your nerves, right? So there's going to, this is a process and it's a journey. And so along the way, you're going to have some moments where a deer comes in or an elk comes in where you're you see your body shaking and freaking out. But then in the future, you're going to know, okay, I know when this is coming. Now I know how to stay calm.

And now I see it's coming like, nah bitch, we ain't getting there. We're not going there. We're staying right here. I call it going dead. Like you go dead. Like all this anticipation and what if I miss and what if I do this and what if he runs and what if he turns? Nothing. I don't let nothing in. You don't let nothing in and you just, like, exist. Like a cat. Like you're like a cat, like, staring at the thing

you're about to kill. Just locked in. There's no negative at all. You don't ever let those emotions creep in. You know, I asked Cam, I'm like, do you ever check your heart rate when you shoot? And he's like, yeah, it doesn't even move. Like, yeah, because he knows how to stay in that moment.

He knows how to stay calm. Afterwards, it's like, yay, everybody's great, and everybody's happy, and oh my God, look at this, this is incredible, it worked out, what a perfect shot, and high fives and hugs. Yeah, can't think about the result. Never think about the result. Always think about the process. Always think about the process. I'm having fun with the process here.

Process is amazing. Cam was saying that. I felt so badly for Cam that I said, Cam, you're not mad that we sat four times and I haven't got one yet, especially since I fucked it up once and twice had to pee today. But we've been in there four hours. Yeah, I'm saying I'd like him I got yeah, but I like I has amazing patience No, he said he smiled. He was like, this is what I'm here for above He said I'm glad you're getting the journey

And I was like, I think about it came here and just shot one. It wouldn't have been I've sat for two I've really well, I'm working for this deer. Oh, yeah Yeah, I pulled on him three times this morning Joe and just could not and but cam was proud of me though, because I was like, I just don't have the shot, Cam. Because he whispers in my ear, he goes, you got a shot? And I've been, I forgot who wrote it, but it's a little book called Lying. Have you ever seen this book? No.

It's like a, Jamie, it's like a little bitty book. It's just called Lying. But it's like some author, I got a shot. But I didn't have a good shot. So instead I go, I don't got one I like, Cam. Cam goes, and he just put his hand on my shoulder, he said, I'm proud of you for that.

And I just let it down, you know what I mean? I was at least, even like this ain't the shot you know what I mean like I want the first one to be the shot I want to be proud of it you know I don't want to harm an animal yeah I don't want an animal to suffer I want a double lung and I want to drop it like a movie you know what I'm saying yeah and if I have to sit here eight more times to get that shot yeah it'll just make it this I'm learning more. I'm learning how to listen for stuff. I'm seeing things. Now I know when they're looking, what the wind means.

I learned what barometric pressure is and what it does to them. It's all kind of cool stuff, dude. I'm like a little nerd there. I'm like the little kid walking around asking questions all day.

Well, there's a really big learning curve to hunting, particularly bow hunting, and it's really interesting. stuff like I've been doing it now for I guess I've been bowhunting for 12 years or 13 years I guess 12 years and I'm still learning I learn all the time I mean I'm you know it's one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done you

know and and especially in terms of like getting pretty decent at it getting proficient at it and having a bunch of success and success a bunch of success, and success begets more success. I love it.

And then when you eat it, it's different than any other meal you'll ever eat. When I pull a elk steak out of my freezer, and I thaw it out, and then I throw it on the Traeger, and I throw some olive oil on it, and I like this Saskatchewan, blackened Saskatchewan rub that they have. It's my favorite for elk.

And I get that sucker up to 120 degrees, and then I bring it inside, and I sear it on a cast iron frying pan, and then I eat it. Oh, man. It's magical. I remember the whack when that elbow hit him in the lungs. That whack. That sound, swack!

How crazy is it hunting elk?

Oh, it's the craziest. They're huge, right? They fucking scream.

Oh, that would scare the shit out of me.

It's magical. I hunted with Cam this September, and I got this elk that was ... He was coming over the mountains with his cows, and we saw him. We were like, whoa, that's a good one. And we gotta try to get to him.

So we had to go over the top of this ridge and go down into this valley and go through the woods. And as we got to where he was, another elk stole his fucking cows. And so by the time we got to the woods, we were trying to like, we were following the screams

because he was still screaming, they were screaming, the cows are... So we get through the woods and then we realize, oh shit, he got his cow stolen. So his cows, we saw the last of his cows run up this hill, run up the side of this mountain and he was going after them. He was like slowly and then my guy Colton that I was with he called him I you know he busted this little elk the cow elk call

And you see the elk go like this It's like a record skips You know like and then he turns and he's like slowly starts walking I was at full draw for like a minute and a half behind this tree Just holding for a minute and a half all this dude, just holding for a minute and a half while this dude was, he was about 25 yards,

but he did not like it. He's like, something's going on here. I don't see the cow. What the fuck is happening here? So he went around sideways to try to get our wind. And as soon as he went around sideways,

as soon as he got clear, I saw him put that pin on him, saw a swack, and he hit him. He was dead in 15 seconds. 15 seconds. He got hit, he was like, what the fuck? He turned, started going downhill, and then fell and rolled. And it was over, like that.

And then I think of that moment every time I eat it. Every time I'm cutting into that steak, I think of that moment every time I eat it. Every time I'm cutting into that steak I think of that crazy moment. You know?

God, that is a wild moment, dude.

And it's also after miles and miles of trekking up these mountains. You're at 7,700 feet above sea level.

And you have to hunt elk. You don't sit for them, right? You gotta kinda go out and find them.

There's no sitting. Yeah, you go find them. You're fucking exhausted every day.

Let's go, baby.

Yeah, it's crazy cardio.

That's what I'm training for, Joe Rogan.

Oh, 100%. That's what I'm getting in shape for. When June starts rolling around, that's when I start really step ups on boxes, and I start doing body weights in September.

Wow, okay.

So right around June is when I really just kick into leg strengthening, leg conditioning, and cardio time. Because you know you're gonna have to go, they live in the mountains, man. Which is interesting, because they didn't used to be, like, they were more like living in the plains

until people start fucking with them. And then they realized, they realize the best way to get away from people is to get way up where it's difficult to get to. So if you wanna get them, you gotta go where it's difficult to get to. So you gotta get in shape.

Yeah, and that's the stuff. I hope somebody's listening to this right now going, man, I'll never be able to elk hunt. Yeah, you can yeah, you can I promise can you walk and yeah, I can do it You can start walking tomorrow and start going forward and yeah, even then don't you know? It's your big goal put little goals in between there That was another big one for me was like I had these big goals, but I didn't get there were so far

I realized I'd lose sight of them sometimes so you got to set them little The little baby goals in the middle you know what I mean those little like you know what I mean? Those little like, you know what, I'm gonna walk a mile five days this week, no matter what the weather is, I'm gonna walk a whole mile. I'm gonna walk to my mailbox and back. Whatever your starting point is. And then I encourage you to start making

the decision that's hard. Because me and Cam talked about this when we ran our 5K. There's a hill, my driveway comes down a driveway comes down a hill and you bust a right Joe and then you can go left into a neighborhood the same run I run every day or you can go right up a hill and it is a hill hill you know and the first day I came out and I looked up that hill and I looked to the left and I took two steps to the

left and I stopped and I told myself I was like I've learned about stories we tell ourselves the story I've been I told myself, I was like, I'm learning about stories we tell ourselves. The story I've been telling myself my whole life was take the easy way out. My entire life, Joe. I have always looked for the path of the easiest,

like A to B straight line, you know what I mean? And I was like, I break that today. I turn right, fuck you. You feel it, don't you? It's big.

Right then, big.

It's a big move.

Big moment, when you're like, nah, I'm hitting that fucking hill. You know, because I'm big, fat people hate hills. Scares, we hate all that shit. So I'm like, I'm stopping and I'm walking and I stop, I just kept going. When I got to the top of it, there was a telephone pole up there and I went and slapped it.

I just slapped the shit out of it. And I felt so achieved and I came down the hill and then I took a left and I was gonna go straight down to the stop sign and back, but if you take a left, you can go the hill dog. This is the new you today is the new you you hit the hill left hit the fucking hill Come back down on my way home that day. Look up see that hill. It's right by my house

I go fuck I'm hit it one more time You know what I mean? And then it started becoming a thing where it's like I started adopting that philosophy in life now Joe I hit the hill first whatever the hardest thing is whatever scares me the most whatever I think is gonna be the most daunting of the day it's like put that motherfucker on the table right yeah let me see that

bitch first and it makes the rest of your life easier too that's what's really important when you elect to make these decisions conscious decisions to do a difficult thing voluntarily you elect to do that then the rest of your life becomes way easier. Because the most difficult thing of your day is always the most difficult thing of your day,

whether you decide to do it or whether life throws it at you. And you can decide to give yourself some shit that's way harder than anything life's gonna throw at you, and then the rest of life becomes easy.

It makes you ready to deal with life.

It's also very important for famous people. It's very important for famous people because for famous, the pressures and the weirdness of fame, most people don't understand the psychological burden that that carries, how that hits you. And it can really fuck with you. And one of the best ways that I've found to keep it from fucking with me is

To make the hardest part of my day My choice I do it. Yeah, I put myself through so other stuff That seems difficult for other people that don't work out or don't Take on challenging tasks. Yeah, it's not that difficult for other people that don't work out or don't take on challenging tasks. It's not that difficult for me. It's easy.

I'm already torturing myself every fucking day.

And I feel weirdly more qualified to deal with shit when I do though. Like when I have a really hard run, I walk into the house that day like, I don't care what comes at me today.

Exactly.

I am on fire.

I'll give you another quick. There's nothing harder than what you're doing You're barely alive right you're breathing so hard Your your heart is pounding nothing in life is giving you that nothing in life is giving you that kind of burden No, so if you can do that to yourself

It'll make the rest of your life way easier and then it believe it or not it gets funner Yes, it goes back to my first year walking was miserable. I won't lie to people that are listening to this. I didn't enjoy one of those walks. You know what I mean? Not one.

I didn't have one time. But when the weight started coming off and I started being able to breathe a little better, like I wasn't just fighting for oxygen every single step and that moment happens though if you're patient the next thing You know you're running with your friends and y'all are talking about the football game and you're firing on all cylinders today We're on that treadmill you were talking we're watching the Volkanovsk. Excuse me the pewter yawn. Yeah, Mara Do I wish Willie fight we were giving commentary?

Yeah, it's like you do it and it as you were running like oh, I remember when that kick landed. Yeah, I was like, ooh, that was loud. I'm telling you, dude. As you were running. I'm like, just running and it makes me mentally ready now. Because I go out and I know David talked about this a lot, Goggins, but I go out there and beat that bitch every day. All them negative thoughts, I'm gonna go off my program, because the days I run, I don't want that shit.

I know I earned it. And mentally it makes me better. I woke up the other day and ran in my farm, and I come back and my son, I'm all excited, we're going to the Titan game, and I'm getting to a little more exercise in.

And when I'm running up to the top of the hill, I look up and he stopped somewhere going down another hill that I thought he was gonna go down. And right then I realized it's the hill that he fell and broke his wrist on riding a four-wheeler last year.

And he stopped up there because he's scared. Joe I thank God in that moment. I said Jesus. Thank you. I'm ready for this. I've ran I'm not I'm I feel the endorphins like I am ready to parent this moment Most of the time, you know as a parent you walk into these crazy moments and you're like, oh Not fully ready for this moment

You know what? I mean?

Like we blow them and you look back and go I wasn't ready for that one necessarily I credit this to running I walk up and I go what's up, buddy? And he goes I think this is the hill dad I go it is buddy. He goes I'm scared And I go dude I've been scared for 35 years, and I never admitted it So you're already way better than me, so you're already twice the man I am I said now what we got to do is know we know what we're feeling What are we gonna do? It's me and you buddy. What are we gonna do? He goes. I don't want to drive it. I go. What if I ride with you? He goes will you sit on the back of this now? He's on a 90

You know what I'm talking about, you know for people at home This is a nine-year-old four-wheeler and even then I start just thanking God in my head where I was like, I'm ready for this on this thing with him. Probably gonna rub a little bit, but I can get on the back of it. And I sit down on the back of it and he says, we grabbed a steering wheel. I go, no buddy, but I'll grab your waist. I said, you don't need me to touch that steering wheel. You just need me with you. Crushes it down the hill. You know what I mean? And then you get to have the moment where you get to go, now what did we what we learned there buddy? He goes, I learned that I can do it as long as you're with me. I said, no buddy, you learned that you can do it. You just thought you needed me with you. I said, but here's the good news.

Jesus is always with you, Bubba. You got this. Like, just go. Like, don't be afraid of this man. He drove it back up the hill. So then I said, and jump on you. I'll do whatever, I'll save you. I'll go I'll die for you boy. Just come down that hill." He drove right up the top

of that hill, turned around, came right down at you. And it's like I was ready for it though. I'd already did the hard stuff that day. You know what I mean? Having an emotional moment with my son was the easiest part of my my son today. I'm gonna take him to get his favorite sweet from the Titan game, I'm gonna get him a Cam Ward jersey. I'd already had a thing of ways I was gonna connect with him. And then God gave me a whole new opportunity.

You know what I mean? God gave me a real opportunity. I was making ways to connect. Like, oh, we could probably do this and this'll be fun. But it just naturally came. I would have never been like go up there. He'll you have 500 pounds. I'm like you want to sit here and watch a movie No kid wants to sit and watch a movie at nine years old for all parents out there. They're 500 pounds You know what I mean? I'll answer for him

But to be in that kind of place with them is like the joy of life Like I want somebody to hear this podcast why keep saying it this way and understand that you're not living the life you can right, and it's so, so possible. It's not easy, but it's possible

and it's worth it. It's so worth it, Joe. You know what I mean? The things that are not easier are worth it. It's important to do things that are not easy. It's really important. It's like if you want real peace, peace doesn't come from rest. Peace comes from struggle. Peace comes from struggle. It really does. You have to. Peace comes from challenge. It comes from being excited about something,

doing something difficult, figuring out you could do it, building resilience. Building resilience is so important. It's so important because there's just too many people that are afraid of resilience. They're afraid of confrontation.

They're afraid of anything that's difficult, anything that's struggle, anything that's gonna test them. They're scared of it. They don't want that discomfort. But that discomfort is when you find true peace.

There was a guy that... There's a famous old tale that reminded me of that. The guy goes, um... A young man looks at a rich man one day, a rich, healthy, happy man. He goes, uh... How did you get where you are? And the rich, happy man looks at him and goes, good decisions, two words, good decisions.

You ever heard this story? No. He goes, good decisions. And the kid goes, well, how did you make good decisions? He goes, one word, experience. And the kid goes, well, how did you get experience?

And the guy goes, two words, bad decisions. Yeah, you just gotta go do it, dude. Yeah, failure. Failure's critical. Failure and the pain of failure is also very important. It sucks and it's hard. In the moment you don't think you're ever gonna live past this. You're gonna live in this moment forever and I can't do this. I'm gonna, I can't live like this. I can't do this. But get

through it.

Get through it and now you have resilience.

And you'll become a whole, you'll become a better person because of it. Like just taking, I used to be that way and I'd get in shame about stuff. Like shame was a big thing for me. I'd be embarrassed and I'd get into a spiral

where I just wouldn't deal with things. I'd be like, I'm just ashamed of that. I didn't do it right. Or I'm a fuck up or I'll never do it right. Or I'll never be able to do that. I use this kind of language. It goes back to how we talk to ourselves. Right. You know, it's like this is in your body. Believe it. You tell your body enough. You man, I can do that. You know what I mean?

Like I can figure that out. And now I get motivated. Every time I've left that deer blind, without one of them bucks, every time we get in the truck, I'm all smiles. Cam goes, how you feeling?

I was like, dog, I am going to get good at this. You know what I mean? Like I look at it different. I don't look at it like, oh I suck. I look at it like, dog, I am eight hours into 10,000 of these hours. You know what I'm saying? Like y'all be patient with me. I'm only on hour eight. You know what I'm saying? Like, but I promise y'all I'll be a whole different dude.

But God, eight hours into something like that is a beautiful blessing it is to have so many opportunities to do things, so many times that you're gonna be able to learn, so much time to grow, so much time to get better. You have so much room. I mean if you're already Cam Haines, boy, it's so difficult to get better. You're the best. Yeah, for sure. So hard. All you can do is help me. And you know, he's just challenged by moments. So he just experiences a lot of challenging moments. And he rises to the occasion because he knows, because he's got 30 plus years of experience doing it.

And he knows how to do it. But for you, it's like you're in this beautiful place where it's all learning. Every day is a new lesson, even mistakes, like putting your hoodie on. OK, now we know.

Now I know. Even mistakes like putting your hoodie on. Okay. Yeah now we know no no, you know, I'm gonna wear the hoodie I'll tell you what tomorrow night. I'm gonna wear the hoodie if it's 80 cuz I don't care I'm gonna sweat in it and then when it gets cold, I'm ready then be not ready when you're gonna have a bunch of those

I had one elk hunting this September that we we were going after these elk that were in this thickly wooded section and we were in this open area and we were trying to figure out where this bull is because he was running cows through there and you would catch glimpses of him and so we decided to move around to this new spot and as we decided to move around to this new spot we were like you know what we're gonna have to go up this ridge and go around this way

and come at him from another direction. So as we started to do that, he changed. And he ran out through the woods into the clearing and I was stuck out in the open just standing there. Like staring at him, like fuck, if I just stayed in cover, I would have got this motherfucker.

But I got impatient and I tried to like run out and meet and you know it's one of those lessons like okay now next time.

It makes me feel better. 12 years in it makes me feel good.

Oh god I'm not even close to knowing what the fuck I'm doing you know I need a lot of

lessons. I've graded the pool table twice in a square. It's bad. I'm out there so lost, Joe. It's gotta be at least entertaining for everybody to see it.

It's exciting, it's so exciting though. And you'll get that success. It'll come.

I'm having so much fun, you know, I was like, I think I'm gonna get a buck this week, I believe it. But if I don't, I got so many lessons and I'll be back the next week, they'll let me

back to try. It's gonna come it's gonna come with persistence and just putting in the time and I feel like the universe just gives you these Opportunities and and when when it's there You'll have this big burst like this breakthrough moment like okay. I did it. Yeah, I fucking did it. I did it, okay I'm gonna cook this year this deer is good. You'll be salt in that thing and slapping it on the grill and watching it sizzle.

Pop it, baby.

Smelling it.

Oh, the smell.

Oh.

And then when you go to cook it, you're like, oh my God, this is the best food I've ever eaten in my life. This is the best bite of food. Because it's a bite of food with an experience attached to it. It's not just a bite of and it's the best meat on planet Earth the healthiest food you can get you want to talk about like density you were talking about like density of nutrition there's nothing more dense than wild game it's like twice as much

protein as a piece of beef twice as much for the same amount of ounces yeah it's it's so good for you same calories no like probably less Wow you're eating an athlete oh yeah for sure you're eating like an athlete. You know?

That's correct. I never thought of it that way.

Yeah, man.

I've never ate a bunch of game, though, obviously. This is also new to me.

Game is the best thing for you, by far. There's no better food than wild game.

I've never had an elk steak.

I want one.

Oh, my goodness. The good news is we'll do it the right way. We'll cook one I kill. Yes. That'll be the big moment. Yes. If I waited this long, I might as well go smack my brother.

It'll be so exciting. And then you're gonna be fully, fully, fully, fully hooked. Yeah. Yeah. Once you actually do it. I'm already sterile hooked. thing that Cam did for you. You know, he took me, he showed me what to do, he took me out there and completely green.

I never even shot a rifle before. I only shot a rifle like three, luckily, and I'm not saying rifle hunting is easy for people that rifle hunt and think it's very difficult. It's very difficult, but it's not as difficult as bow hunting, which is why I was able to be successful

on my first ever rifle hunt. Being successful on a bow hunt for mule deer, good fucking luck. A bow hunting for mule deer has a very low success rate. Like even with elite hunters. Because it's a very cagey animal, they're very intelligent.

Super fast too, right?

We were eating this animal. We shot it, we packed it out, we started a campfire, we were cooking it, and I remember Steve said to me, what do you think? I said, I'm doing this forever. Forever.

I knew at that moment, I was like, well I'm gonna be a hunter now. Like that's what I'm doing forever. Because I was on my way to being a vegetarian. I was like, I've watched too many PETA videos and I'm like, oh my God, factory farming is so awful. It's so terrible. I didn't understand regenerative farming and ranching.

I eat beef now. I mean, I never stopped eating beef, but eating wild game is a different thing. It's a different, like I said, it's food with experience attached to it. There's something very spiritual about it.

And it's also, it connects you to a part of mankind's history that is intertwined in your DNA. Like, there's something about it. You know, like, for people that have never experienced before, you know the feeling that you get when you catch a fish? Even little kids, man.

I remember my daughter caught her first fish when she was, like, six. She caught a bass. And little kids, man. I remember my daughter caught her first fish when she was like six. She caught a bass and she was so excited. You get it? That is in our DNA because that means that you're going to live. You're going to eat. You're going to feed your family. That's why that is so exciting to catch a fish. Shooting an animal and killing it and eating it, knowing that you can eat it for months, is that times like a hundred.

Shooting an animal with a bow is that times a thousand.

Oh, it made me think about it when I was thinking about animal killing and bows especially now, because I'm thinking about this a lot, obviously, I'm in the middle of it, but there's this thing that's happening there where it's like the concept that back in the day a man left with this stick and piece of metal

or just a stick back then a shaved stick and I was string it was like if this goes good I will come back with enough to feed our tribe yeah this entire village of people I will bring a deer and we will all eat together that's crazy it is crazy that that was once the way it actually went. And it was the only way. This is from here. This, who knows how old that is. Wow.

Yeah, a friend of mine got that on his ranch and gave it to me. Oh yeah, this is crazy. Yeah, so some Native American, probably Comanche, because it's here in Austin and that guy who made that made it himself attached it with sinew and and twine and put it on a stick that he had shaved down and put

feathers on it that he had got from a bird and and you know glue that they had made from they made glue from all kinds of different things and he shot that probably into an animal and it fed his family and then that was lost in the dirt and then a thousand years later

somebody found it. It still stands. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And that he came home like a hero. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like man, you're right that feeling of catching that fish My daughter felt it too when she was six. I took her bluegill fishing Yeah, I had a little spot in the lake where you could just drop and catch a bluegill almost every time You know, they're pretty little fishes. It's so exciting for them. She would have a ball. Yeah, it's so exciting Fish for the first time when she came moved down from Vegas, and I thought I wasn't thinking Joe This was a user error, but I was like oh my friends got a spot catfish pond I was like this is great. Do you just throw it out there? So get her a big old hog of a catfish I?

wasn't thinking about how Brutally hard it is to unhook catfish like compared to a bass or a bluegill You know what I mean, and of course I get a bass that swallows the fucking hook. So here we fight this bass, I mean this catfish in and she's all excited till it gets there and it to this day was the most brutal ripping out of Joe. She's never went back. She was disgusted. She was all in until after like once we caught, I should have just clipped it, threw it back

in but I was just determined to get, you know are when you're stuck coming out and it was just Horrible. Yeah, just like oh, yeah, but the good news is I think I've got her talking to one deer hunting after I do because Rihanna goes cams assistant Mm-hmm. She loves money and and I think that'd be digestible bunny. Like if she went with another chick that was cool, you know what I mean?

It's like a business woman.

Rihanna's a big time bow hunter.

Big bow hunter. She'll show her how to do it. Maybe she'll get hooked too.

I know she was good because she was talking about hitting one yesterday.

She was like, I had a, the ability to shoot at distance is really tricky because you got to take into account wind. You got to take into account the movement of the animal. You got to be assured that that, because like, like there's, do you see that elk that's on the wall out front with a photo of Cam and I? That was 67 yards. Whoa. Yeah, we got a video of that. So this elk was standing at 67 yards and he just stopped.

He had fought off these other elk and he was tired and he just stopped. And that arrow, I'll never forget that arrow. That arrow was like, right in the 10 ring. It was a perfect shot. From almost 70 out Yeah, and he ran and he just piled up He just ran right over the top of this hill and boom and he was done, but it was That was years and years and years of every day

In the backyard all day long, I mean I I shot so many hours I fucked my shoulder up fuck my lower back. I was cuz I'm a obsessive. Yeah, I Will shoot for four or five hours a day, and I'm pulling an 85 pound bow like a hundred and fifty times a day It's ridiculous. It's great. It's like on your body. It's your body's like what the fuck are you doing for sure? But I'm only pulling 45 pounds. But when you do that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over,

it becomes a part of your central nervous system. It's like your brain just gets locked in. Your eye immediately goes to that peep site. It lines it up immediately with the site housing. You balance it all out.

You put it in the same place every time too?

Always, yeah. You have to.

Yeah, you have to have anchor points. I've got a little, I've got a BOMAR nose button. It touches my nose. I feel that on my nose every time where the string touches my nose. This little thing just kind of pinches at your nose,

let you know you're in the right spot.

Yeah. I'm gonna go get Wayne to redo mine. He did it, but we had it where it just sat on my nose perfect Mm-hmm, and then I lost that weight so I mean more weight I lost like 80 pounds cuz I got set for the bow. Oh wow Yeah, this is like the never-ending problem in my life right now clothes are either super baggy or I got one size too early So it's tight you know because I'm just a normal person, I get down a normal weight and put on a holiday weight like everybody else and that's the fluctuation.

That's wild.

I'm close though.

You're so close.

I'm in like the 260s right now, 30-something pounds of skin on me. I'd like to lose another probably 40 is probably my goal. You're gonna be under 200 pounds, that is wild. That's the goal. I just want to see it once on a scale just like as an adult male see 190 just see like 199 It still feels weird telling people I weigh something that starts with 200

I haven't weighed in the 200 since I was like 12

Well, you know and as you put on muscle you might stay in the 200s, but it'll be a different 200, dude I'm packing man. My shoulders are like I'm'm proud of them. Yeah, you look different, man, in every way. In every way.

No, it's like my posture's better. Like I sit better.

You're not burdened by a, you're rucksacking 300 pounds everywhere you went.

All the time, man.

That's crazy. Your legs must be so powerful. I used to say that to Ralphie May. Ralphie May, unfortunately, never lost the weight and did wind up dying young. But I used to say to Ralphie, I'm like, Ralphie, if you ever lost weight,

you could kick through a fucking building with those legs. Like his legs were carrying around 500 pounds everywhere he went.

Oh yeah, and he'd stand straight up and do a whole hour. Yeah. Pacing the stage and killing it. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's crazy. Yeah, it's like one of the best

He was a fun dude, too. Was he fun outside? Oh, yeah, he's a sweetheart of a guy It was a great cook too. And unfortunately after a while, you know, he had a he had done it with surgery and it didn't work He he you know, like a lot of people that have that addiction He couldn't stop and he he thought surgery was the answer, so he got his stomach done, and then he ate through it, and then he had to get it redone, he blew it out.

So it got to a point where, when they cut your stomach down, they shrink your stomach, the gastrointestinal bypass, he got to a point where he couldn't digest meat. So he would barbecue for us. Ralphie was a really good cook.

So he'd make ribs, they were sensational, but he couldn't eat them. He had to be eating vegetables. Wow. Yeah, because his body wouldn't process the meat right.

Man, that's crazy. And that was after the bypass, right?

I think after the second bypass.

See, that's, and and once again it's like my heart hurts, you know, not that not that anybody could have made a difference maybe, but man I just wish.

Yeah, I mean maybe, maybe if he knew you and you guys did it together.

I could have just sat down and been like bro I know like I think that's why me and you doing this pod so important to me was like I know there's gonna be people that are gonna see clips of this that are 300, 400, 500 pounds, and I want them to, like, you can do it.

Without a doubt.

Like, you really can. Like, it's actually worth it. It's small steps. It's telling yourself the truth, doing what you say you're gonna do, meaning it, keeping your word,

but most importantly, food, food, food, food, food, dude. Like I just now started showing the runs and stuff like because I think people appreciate seeing the work But it's like what was important really the weights not lost in that that running the run is what makes me feel good It's fighting the demon right the weights lost whenever I sit down at the dinner table, right? And I like a normal human. I don't eat seven plates and six desserts. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's where it's at and that's that. Anytime I used to see guys like Ralphie and I would think it watching, I'd be like, man, when you get to that size,

there's a mental component. There's something happening there. There's some trauma attached to it or there's a story that you're living in in your mind. It's just a, you know, your body's just reacting to a pattern it's always had

that you haven't been able to get it out. out, there's something you've got to really go in and roll the sleeves up and kind of find it. Like I did every kind of thinking back to, I had this therapist did the coolest thing, Joe. She looked at me and said, when do you first remember being big? I talked to my sister Shelby about this the other day and I said, and she said what I said, which made me cry because I never talked to nobody my family about this. And I go go I think the first time I realized I was big

Was I was going to get school clothes for elementary school and then back then they had a section in the Dillard's called Husky You remember this you're old enough to remember they had a Husky section. Yeah, that's crazy Which is awesome, I guess but you know And I just remember like not knowing what it meant But just knowing it was different And knowing that like I felt different. Like I felt like, I felt ashamed even at that age

a little bit being in this section. You know what I mean? Like, and I didn't understand why.

Well kids are so brutal too.

They're so brutal. And then I talked to my sister the other day and I go, Shelby man, do you remember the first time that you thought I was an overweight kid?" And she goes, oh yeah I'll never forget it dude. We took you to some store and they had a husky section and you couldn't fit the jeans and you had to shop in the

husky section. And she said, dude it tore you apart. And I was like, wow. Okay so I lived in that shame forever too. Forever. You know what I mean? Like just that constant shame. But I did that work in therapy. You know what I mean? It had related That's why I said earlier sometimes when I'm in the pantry Mary B would be like who's what version of you is in the pantry? Is it the kid you or is it the adult you that's not answering an email?

Because sometimes this is how deep addiction runs Sometimes that relapse will be caused by literally an unresponded email that you just let sit there and torture you but you don't notice it because it's just nagging at you just that why don't you just tell that guy that you're not interested why don't you just tell why are you avoiding that why are you avoiding that why you avoid everything you avoid every this is your personality trait you know what there's thousands of things you need to be saying to people you start eating what

you're not saying you know so like Strike distract yourself even whenever I first got through this I had to sit my wife down bunny who is I talked about a lot of this podcast. She is my anchor Joe She's the best thing that I think I've said this every time I'm in your pockets the single best thing that ever happened to me was marrying the right fucking woman for sure, you know what I mean and Bunny I sit down with bunny and I'm close we talk talking about I'm sorry I got so excited about my wife. Well you're talking about being husky, shame, why you don't answer emails, distracting yourself. Distracted it's like you're just

constant the food is a way of not having to deal with or even say so I sit Bunny down I go baby I'm probably gonna start but give me some grace I sit my whole house down and go I'm gonna try to do an me some grace. I sit my whole house down and go, I'm gonna try to do an effort to communicate how I feel in real time. And I might be abrasive at first

because this is a new concept. I normally have to go like, chew on things for a few hours to make sure I don't misrepresent my thoughts. You know what I mean? I was like, but sometimes in those few hours,

I'll find myself in the pantry. I don't want to distract yourself. Yeah, so I was like, you know, if y'all just give me some grace, and what I need y'all to do is just be a mirror for me. And just go, hey, I got you, but think about the way you said that. Just put it back, just make me see it.

You know what I mean? Just make me mirror it. Bunny's a gangster though. She'd be the first one to be like, oh, there goes little Snippy there, aren't we? Little assholey, huh?

You know what I'm saying?

I'd be like, fair. She'd be like, I got it. Probably could have said it different. Love you. I'd be like, fair. You know what I'm saying?

But it was just me learning how to communicate my thoughts. And now it's like, Cam was telling me about the pain cave idea the other day. It's like, to me, that's what the pantry's always been. Not the pain cave, but the idea of it, it represents a lot, you know what I mean?

But when I'm in the pantry, now I know why. I can literally, once again, reset, reconnect, re-engage, you know what I mean? In any situation, if I'm at a party now and I think about eating or I think about drinking, I can go outside, I can hit a joint twice, I can reconnect with myself, what do you think about drinking for in there?

What do you need to prove? Who are you embarrassed that you're not being cool enough around right now, that you think it'll make you a little more loose? You know what I mean? Like what get be real with yourself Jason. What's wrong here, right? And then you get it you're like, yeah, I'm being weird dude. I don't need to go in there and drink. I'm cool

You know, I'm saying like I'm becoming a different person. Yeah. Yeah better version of who you really are. Yeah. Yeah It's a beautiful thing because you're not just doing it for you You're doing it publicly and you doing it publicly is gonna change the lives of countless people. There's probably a million people right now that are listening to this that are changing some aspect of their life because of what you're saying.

That's why I didn't hide and do it, Joe. I seen too many other celebrities go in the dark and lose a bunch of weight and try to come out with a big reveal. And it always just felt superficial and like it just didn't feel right. I was like yo, man

We should just like post about this like every workout every day. It's like it's also good because it makes you accountable I'm sure count work cuz you're putting it out there to the world as long as you're not reading the comments I'll even post it somebody else posted this ghost. That's better. That's better. Because as long as you're not dwelling on other people's opinions and thoughts and... Because a lot of those people, one of the things that they do when they're saying negative things is they're avoiding introspection. They're avoiding their own personal criticism of themselves.

So they're doing that by putting that on you. So by putting negative thoughts on you and negative comments on you, what they're really showing is that they're damaged and that they're avoiding that self-analysis that leads to you having to make changes for yourself.

So instead, they're just shitting on other people. There's a lot of people. That's an addiction. That's a giant addiction that people have. Not just to being on social media, but to talking on social, commenting on social media,

and being out, you know, just being negative.

Well, my favorite quote is, the booze mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes them cheer.

You know what I mean?

Like, you can't, your booze mean nothing to me. I see what you cheer at It also reminds me of the story of the donkey the dude the father and the donkey I don't know if you ever heard his story, but the sons The father's walking with the son and the son's riding a donkey and they're going through this little village and somebody goes Won't you look at that? Look at that old man. Look at look at that. That poor boy is making that old man look at that poor boy's making that old man walk. So the man thinks, I don't want him thinking bad of my grandson. So he tells his grandson, hey in the next town right before we go I'm gonna hop on the donkey and you walk. So

he hops on the donkey and they start walking and somebody goes, can you believe that old man's making that little boy walk by himself? So he stops he says, fuck it I'll just buy the kid a donkey. So he buys the kid a donkey. They're going through the next city and they're both walking beside their donkeys. Right? No, they're both on their donkeys. And somebody goes, well, look at them two people just beating the death, beating the death, them poor old donkey. Them old donkeys just can't do nothing. He said the next time he could tell this to the grandson, he goes, fuck it. We'll just walk beside the donkeys. So they're walking besides a donkey, and you know what somebody screams, don't you? Look at them perfectly too good donkeys they're not using.

Those donkeys should be getting put to work. And the moral is, he couldn't do anything to make anybody happy, you know what I'm saying? It didn't matter what he did.

You can never make everybody happy because everybody's not happy.

Yeah, that's it.

That's the thing. people happy, but you can't, what percentage of people are legitimately happy? It's hard to get happy, it's difficult.

You know what else changed for me was looking at happy different. I looked, my wife has that quote in the house that says, we no longer search for happiness, we search to be useful. It's like, the moment I quit looking for my happiness, now I just look to be a tool.

I walk in every situation with my hands open, like, God, what you got for me here? How can I bring value to this? What can I do? Can I motivate? Where can I be a little piece of you in this moment? You know what I mean?

That changed everything. Now, by default, I'm always happy because I'm being useful. You know what I mean? There's nothing more fulfilling than being useful. Yeah. But I wasn't I quit chasing happiness. I just started chasing being useful. That's beautiful. Yeah. That's beautiful. It's uh

it's an amazing story man and you're in the middle of it. You're not done. Well

we've almost lost the weight. The transformation will be next. And the transformation Joe, that will be something to watch. The weight loss, that's been cool to watch but the transformation Bubba I'm coming dude. What do you mean by the transformation dude? It's like I don't I was I'm gonna like I see myself. I've never been able to see myself like this, but like I'm going to be like in top shape Joe

You know what? I mean? Like I was watching you with them kettlebells today and while I'm running I was thinking to myself The next time I do this podcast if Joe has me back God willing I'll fucking I'm gonna do that workout with him and I'm gonna blow his mind I'm gonna make him in that action branches my friend. So I say this out of love I'm gonna finish that workout. You're gonna shake my hand like dude you know what I mean? Like I was watching it like, I'm fucking coming for that. You know what I mean?

That's the kind of shape I wanna be in. Like man, stuff, I didn't feel like a man. Dude, at 500 pounds, I couldn't walk a mile. My video guy, Andy, you've met him a few times, tall, bald guy that's real fun. He said something to me when I finally got down to like two seven three hundred he looked at

me and said dude you're like I just need you under 250 and I was like what for and he was like cuz then if anything ever goes wrong I know I can throw 250 pounds over my shoulder and I could fire him and carry you out of somewhere and I was like what a sweet soul that you have secretly been looking at me all these years like what if something happens to the jelly and I can't get him up, right? You know what? I mean? Like what a just genuine swell like I didn't realize how much my weight was affecting everybody

Well people who love you know that this is not sustainable And if they love you and they love being around you they go how much longer is he gonna be here, right? Yeah, and when you're 40 years old and you're 500 pounds, it's like the answer is not long Yeah, it's your body can't do it, you know, and I could feel it different. Some people don't even make it to 40

No, I could feel it happening. Like I was I Would I was scared of the way I would sleep in certain positions, right? I would have nightmares that I was gonna die stop and if I rolled the other way I'd suffocate myself you know I mean like it was just you know there if I rolled over one time on my stomach and I was so fat that the way I rolled over I'd trap my left arm under me and my right arm almost wasn't strong enough to get me up enough to let the left arm loose oh my god I'm panicking like you're suffocating like I'm gonna die right here because I just physically don't have enough strength in one arm

To get me from you know, you roll over like this to get me up off of my other arm I can tell you right now I can do 20 push-ups though. That's amazing I know it don't sound like a lot to the listener, but from where I'm coming from big deal You know what I'm saying? I'm in better shape than Bert Kreischer, for sure. You know what I'm saying? I love you, Bertie boy.

Yeah, you've done what he wants to do, that he never can do.

I will say this to him and Tom. Boy, they better bring their A game to the 5K this year.

Don't look up and I look like Tanner or Truett Haynes running with sm' jeans on. Yeah, he's, he's interesting. Cause he's got it in him, he can lose weight. Like when Tom and him first had that weight loss challenge, Tom went with it and never went back.

Tom looks great.

He looks fuckin' amazing. He's thinner than he's ever been before. He's like 180 now.

Brigham said he's getting in shape. Yeah man, he works out hard I secretly want to beat him in the 5k, but it's a big it's a big dude I'm on your ass Tommy buns

I met Tommy Tommy was like real big and he was eating bad and you know and him and Bert Both decided to have this weight loss challenge. So we had this podcast together They lost all the weight, you know and Burt got pretty thin too, man They both lost a lot of weight, you know, they did it over the whole month of October and then when they came in Tom they all they weighed each other on the scale and Tom won and so Burt had to shave his beard And they did it, you know live on the air was fun

We had a good time though, but it was it was this moment where Tom realized Okay, I don't ever want to be fat again, and he never was fat again He just he gained a little bit of weight and then lost it again, but he never got fat again And now he looks fucking and he looks tremendous I mean you go back and watch his earlier comedy specials was this big old moon face And they look at him now, you would never even imagine that guy was ever fat.

No, for sure. Back when he had the moon face, the black button down, and he was balding up top, he wouldn't commit. Yeah. No, totally different time.

He's a different human. He's a different human now. And Bert goes back and forth. Bert will lose a bunch of weight, Get big as fuck again. That yo-yo. Yeah. With Bert it's booze, man. It's booze. It's all booze for Bert.

Yeah.

It's food too.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the motherfucker will go to McDonald's and order like 30 Big Macs. Yeah. He's a fucking animal.

Yeah, you know how that is. The left hand will wash the right hand in those situations. what I think a Like it was just, Ian Largus was just that. And he sat me down and was like, Bubba, I don't care what I feed you, I can't out work. You get drunk and you eat 3,000 calories of shit after you drank 3,000 calories of tequila.

You know what I mean?

I was like, I gotta quit drinking.

Just a stone cold thing I had to come with. And when you see Bert with that enormous belly, that's all just alcohol and inflammation. It's like so bad for you. And Bert's 50 now, you know? It's like, Jesus, Bert.

And we got the same doctor. God.

Yeah, but Bert don't listen.

Nah, not Bert don't listen.

But he's also, he's-

He's also an athlete, though. The problem with Bert is that that dude, this is what I love about Bert that makes Bert so special is that Bert, you remember when he ran a half marathon or marathon or something without training?

He ran a whole marathon without any training at all. That's Bert. And he was fat. No, that's-

He ran 26 miles. Yeah, this is just like Bert at who he is. So it's that really hard thing to tell a No, he's got extraordinary genetics that he abuses. Mickey Mantle gene, dude. It's real, man. It's fucking real, dawg.

Yeah, no, it is real. It is real. You know, but he's playing a game that you can never win. You'll never win that game. Eventually, one day, your heart will go, -"Check, please." And that's it. -—Yeah. You know, and hopefully he catches it before that. You know, and that's what everybody who loves him wants. It's just, he's also got this mindset that his whole success is connected to him

being this party animal.

It's not, though. It's connected to you being Bert. It's connected to you being one of the most genuine, sweet, funny, show up for you dudes I've ever met in my life. Like six pack or 400 pounds dude, your heart is the size of a horse. You know what I mean? Like Bert Kreischer is the, New Friends, that's one of the ones I prayed for. And Bert Kreischer, Cam Haines, I prayed for new kids. He sent me a bunch of really cool ones, a bunch of wild ones, Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliffe, a bunch of fuck-ups, but they were good dudes.

You know what I'm saying? Like real, slightly outside of normal people, but are great guys. You know, and Bert Kreischer's a great, his friendship's done a lot for me. I hope me showing up, he hasn't really, He's seen me whenever at wrestling, but I think when I show up to this 5K and I do it in 30 minutes,

I hope that's the moment Bert's like, all right baby, I'm with you, Jelly.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, he's just gotta realize that his success will always be there. He doesn't have to be drunk to have that success. He's hilarious. He does Sober October sometimes, and one time recently he's like, I just haven't been drinking, I feel so much better,

and I really think I'm done. I go, you should be done, man, you don't need it. You don't need it. He's like, you're right, I think I'm done. And then, right back to it. It's hard, but in those moments of clarity, he realizes.

Maybe he'll hear this and that'll be it.

I think he's funny either way. Oh, he'll be funny either way. Yeah, I've woke up with Bert, and he's hilarious.

He'll probably be more funny.

Bert at breakfast to me is just funny as Bert at night.

You know what I mean?

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, for sure. It's healthier. It's like, I've been very fortunate in life. One of the most fortunate things though is the group of people that I've been connected to. It's very, like we were talking about that, it's very important. It's very important. And Bert is connected to a lot of really good people and hopefully that'll lead him on a similar, I mean everybody has their own

timeline, everybody has their own way of doing it. Everybody has to have their own moment too, you know know I had to have mine I just my thing for Bert or anybody out there is that if you're just don't let it get there if you can Right. I just pray man I feel like I don't think I'm making this up when I say I was think I was six to twelve months away from missing it Especially traveling, you know, I traveled 280 days a year. Right. At 500 something pounds. Yeah, so bad for ya. 200 something flights a year, 250 flights a year.

So bad for ya.

I just, I couldn't, I wasn't gonna be able to do it. I knew it. You know what I mean? And lucky, once again, I had a wife that was just super supportive. She was supportive through all the phases though.

But she was just like, yo, this is time. And she went out of her way the first the first three months of the diet I probably left this part out cuz I'm embarrassed about it But I'll shit till it the first three months of diet. I had to sit down with her go look I Need you to hide the food like I will find it You know what I'm saying like I need you to hide the food So her my daughter Bailey found like all these cool like I still don't know where they were I never found it You know what I mean, but they hid everything from me like there was nights I'd walk in that pantry and it would be like a banana. You know I'm saying I'd be like the entire pantry was God

I'd be like fair you know to me like it was cool But once again it goes back to the Fox the mole in the horse. I never asked for help before right I never would get out of my own ego enough I just say everything I was gonna do and then not do it and then get mad when they ask when they try to encourageingly, but maybe even more importantly you were helping yourself

Mm-hmm you it wasn't just you were asking for help

That you weren't asking for help while you weren't doing anything you were asking for help while you were helping yourself And they were like okay. I think he's really doing this. That's it. Yeah There's a really a change going on and goes back to that rain walk. Yeah, never, you don't have to go. It's great. It's a great moment that it did happen in the rain, you know, because it makes it even more significant. It makes it more, you know, meaningful.

It's so real. Yeah. I keep mentioning God because my faith in him grows so much stronger every day, but I truly believe that that was and be like, you know what? Even the hill. I've lived on hills my whole life and never walked up one. I'm from Tennessee. They're nothing but hills. I go downhill. That's what I do. It's a fat person trait.

You know what I'm saying? We look cooler, move faster, you know? And immediately, just like, no, I'm now looking for hills in life. You know what I mean? Like I'm looking for like, how can I make this run a little harder? Like when Cam tells me we're at mile five, he's like, I'm proud of you, you did your PR.

I was like, we better do six two then, baby. It ain't a 10K if we don't do another mile point two. You know what I mean? It's the it's the effort but helping the self and knowing you want to change and then not being afraid to just go ask not Being ashamed to just go to your wife because that's a little embarrassing. Mm-hmm. Maybe like hey Can you just like had the dark chocolate and there who dark chocolate bars bunnies extremely healthy? You know what? I mean like has always been them who talk talk bars are so good

But the problem is I don't know how to eat one. They're only 380 calories. But if there's five of them in there, I will eat all five for sure. You know what I'm saying? Some nights, he'd leave me a half a bar out or something. You know what I mean? Like rations, until I could control it. Until I knew that, and then now my pantry's back full.

Well, now you're addicted to the success of what you've already accomplished, It's the good addiction. Being addicted to being healthy is the best addiction you could find. Because I don't think you're going to get out of the addiction mindset. I think what addiction is, I think there's a reason why it exists in the human mind. And I think it exists because it's the same thing as obsession. And obsession allows you to be a successful hunter. It's like hunters persistence. If you don't have that obsessive drive, you won't

keep going until you're succeeding. And if you do, if you do have that, you'll feed your family. If you don't have that, everybody dies. I think that's like programmed into the human psyche. It's programmed into human mind, but it can be hijacked by gambling. It could be hijacked by pornography. It can be hijacked by pornography. It can be hijacked by video games. It can be hijacked by a host of different things, drugs, alcohol, anything, food, fill

in the blank. I think that is where it happens. You get addicted to all kinds of things that are negative or you can get addicted to positive

things. Meaningful conversations? Yes. Exercise. Sure. I'm addicted to meaningful conversations now.

I used to be addicted to small talk. It's hard to find them. You know? It's hard to find a good-

Stuff like this, like meaningful, like rich. I'm searching for rich conversations. Even in my relationships with my wife, like in my health, our conversations are getting

deeper.

Yes. like in my health care, like our conversations are getting deeper. You know what I mean? Like I never thought I could know this woman I love so much better, but I'm getting to know her better. Like we're getting deeper in the foxhole together. We're getting deeper in the shadows of each other's crevices. It's like I'm looking for that.

I'm looking to pour into people, man. It's just, dude.

Yeah, that's another thing about phones that makes it very difficult for people to have meaningful conversations because everybody's so attached to their goddamn devices. Even when you're talking to them, they're checking this and checking that, and you feel like, they're going, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's real, oh yeah.

And they're just scrolling and half paying attention to you. It's a lot, it's hard. It's like one of the things that I've said about this podcast is like one of the most unexpected things about it is this education that I've got in talking to people. Uh, not just like listening to their stories and listening to whatever their expertise is,

but it's also just the learning how to talk to people. Because you're sitting here for three hours or whatever it is with no distractions and no interruptions. And because of that, you learn this sort of ebb and flow of human conversation. So for me, it's so hard to have a bad conversation.

When I'm out with people that are bad at having conversations, to me, it's fucking painful. It's like, oh, God. Yeah. It's like, it drives me crazy. It's so, when watching people talk over people, watching people that aren't listening,

they're just waiting for their time to talk.

Like, ugh.

Yeah.

Ugh. It's such a connection, man. And a lot of those people that are missing that goes into these, the byproducts of lack of connection are addiction, isolation, loneliness. These are the side effects of not connecting with people. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that phone has tricked us into

thinking that we're connecting with thousands of people. Right. And we're

actually not connecting with anybody. Not connecting with a single person. We're being more lonely and more comparative It's a trap. Yeah, it's a real trap because you're you're getting input. There's some input There's some words that come from a person I guess and so but there's no human like we're designed to talk to each other this way the the the the spiritual fulfillment the psychological fulfillment that comes from talking to a human being and making a genuine connection and understanding more about that person.

And then by also doing that, you understand more about yourself. Like when someone reveals something to you that's very meaningful and very intimate, like you go, oh wow, like what is it about, why does that, maybe I could be better at that.

Maybe I could do this, or maybe I can, maybe I'm looking at myself the wrong way, or looking at people the wrong way. And you know, and you just like, this slow learning process of how to interact with people better.

And that's all, kids today that are on their phone all day long, they're psychologically stunted. You know, we're stunting their social growth and their development of just, most people don't, most kids today barely know how to communicate with each other.

Especially even long form like this, it's the ability to really get, you don't really know how somebody feels about something until you really get into a conversation, like a real conversation. And these kids aren't having those conversations with each other. It's all in micro clips and micro spots. Me and my daughter talk about this a lot because lucky for, I was blessed that she's a conversationalist.

She's like me, she will have a meaningful conversation. But I look at my nine year old who's a little younger than younger than her obviously she's 17 My daughter goes to college next year and my nine-year-old's a little different though He doesn't he communicates good, but he's still in that you know video game world like he just it's a different thing where Bailey Still really appreciates a sit around the I don't know man I grew up in a household where we told you the story my mom would sit at the kitchen table and tell us stories like me, and you're talking right now for hours. We had a JRE every night.

You know what I'm saying?

She'd smoke cigarettes and tell stories, and it was just like super charming. So my daughter grew up a lot like that, and I'm really proud of that. You know that she grew up sitting in a room and having those kind of calmmer like real long-form because that's how you know how you really feel about it's what therapy did for me

Too was whenever I quit doing things at a surface level when it started going yeah, that's cool

But like really when was the first time you remember being fat. I think people have a hunger for it. Which is why This emergence of long-form conversations into the zeitgeist has been surprising to a lot of people because you know when I first Started doing this podcast one of the funny things that R. Shafir always said to me that I'll never let him live it down Because he was always like you gotta edit your show I go why it was nobody wants to listen to three hours I go then don't listen. I don't care. I go. It's I'm doing it for no money anyway like back then it was like it was it was costing me money I was like I'm just doing it for fun man. I don't care. I put it out there

They don't want to listen the whole thing. They don't have to listen the whole thing There's another one coming out in a couple days listen to that one listen to five minutes I don't think that people realize how many people are starving for real conversation. You know, this is one of the reasons why,

like, when that Kamala Harris thing went down, where I had Trump on the podcast and Kamala Harris kept resisting coming on the podcast. They wanted to do it for like 45 minutes. They wanted to do it in a conference room with a bunch of aides around.

They wanted to do it in D.C. I was like, no, no. It has to be here, and it has to be three hours. Like, she's got to sit down, like, because it takes a while to get inside someone's head. You got to...

You could bullshit me for 40 minutes. For 40 minutes, you could bullshit me for 40 minutes easy for 40 minutes You could have a bunch of canned speeches and a bunch of shit you prepared and a bunch of like bullshit answers But I'll ask you like what you like to cook. Yeah, I'll ask you like do you exercise? I'll ask you. What's your favorite book? I'll ask you like all kinds of different things and then we'll start talking We'll start talking about like did you ever think you were gonna be this person like what well you know what it what led

you here like what and give me some real shit give me some real shit what you

can't this is why I've always loved your pod is that it's where I go find out who people are yeah because it's so easy and I'm in the media right to go sit down for 20 minutes and like smile and smile just get it out of the way you know what I mean but like yeah exactly yeah but it's like you give me three hours with somebody they got to show me who they are yeah somebody's Joe's gonna find out who this person is you know what I mean

like he's gonna it's like and that's back to like because we don't know who we are until we start having real conversation right goes back's back to like, because we don't know who we are until we start having real conversations. This goes back to what me and you started with this, is that we don't know who we are until you started having real, I don't know how it started, whether it was in the green room

with some of your comic friends, you were like, dude, we have the greatest conversations in here, we should do this like it's every podcast of yours. You know what I mean? Because you can't spend three hours with somebody and not see the full dynamic human.

Yeah, and I think there's a hunger that people have for finding out that other people have similar thoughts to them, and maybe not even, maybe different thoughts in similar situations, and that someone is at a better way of approaching something. And it's educational, like, to your soul. There's something about it. About like, we all want to pretend

that we exist in a vacuum. And everybody wants to pretend they're a loner.

And I'd rather be alone.

Like, shut up.

No you wouldn't. You'd only rather be alone if the people around you suck if the people around me suck Yeah, I'd rather be alone, but I have great friends. I like being around my friends It's like it's it's not shallow to want to be around a bunch of awesome people, but there's this thought that like You know that we we are That we exist On our own and you don't. We're a collective. Like the human

species itself is a hive and it's one of the things we're learning about the negative impacts of that hive being connected to social media because you're not really connecting with people but we're also experiencing this thing that's similar to a hive. And so this is a writer, Avi Levinovitz, who talks about this. And the way he described it is that it's like processed food. You're getting processed information.

And instead of real information, like on social media, you're getting this processed thing that's boiled down with no nutrients in it But you keep consuming it because you're so hungry because you're not getting the real thing You're just stuffing your face with stuffing your mind with process information I think that's an app way to put it because that's really what's going on. It's like we all want real connection We're just worried. We're worried that someone's gonna reject us.

We're worried that someone's gonna be rude to us. We're worried that someone's judging us, that someone's gonna think they're better than us, or that they're gonna think we lack, or whatever it is. There's this thing that we all hunger for, and I think for a lot of people,

what they get if they don't have it near them, if they haven't done what you've done and found a great group of friends, they can get it through podcasts. They can get it through people talking and communicating and being real

and being interested and being curious and learning and just being cool to each other. And it's heartwarming. It's like it fills something in you that we're missing because we're being poisoned by these fucking devices.

And we're only seeing these little snippets of people. Like, back to the conversation, like we see comments, like a paragraph. And then people building entire thoughts around a paragraph. And you don't even know what that dudes thought was It's just a paragraph on the internet. You didn't actually talk to that guy to see

What that was you know what I mean? Like it's it's that that thing of like I had it I Didn't plan on talking about this, but it's a perfect time because I learned such a lesson in it I was on my laptop one day on Instagram.com and it was the day of the Dove Awards which is a Christian music awards and I had a gospel song get nominated for a Grammy this year. What's it called? The Dove Awards? The Dove Awards. And it's like the Christian Grammys. Okay. It's been around for a

long time, Gospel Music Association. I did a song with a Christian artist this year named Brandon Lake. It's called hard-fought hallelujah it's I got to sing it at the Vatican Joe oh wow I got to sing this we pull that clip Jamie I sang in st. Peter's Square Joe oh my god first live concert ever in st. Peter's Square right outside of st. Peter st. Peter's Basilica was our this is it right here watch st. Peter's Basilica look that's the Basilica right there I got goose look at that that's the square Bubba that's Vatican City look at, that's the Basilica right there. It's fucking amazing. I got goose. Look at that.

That's the square, Bubba.

That's Vatican City.

That's incredible.

Look at this.

That's incredible. I will tell you, biasly, it might have been my best vocal performance of my career.

Wow.

Look at that, Joe.

Boy, you're already losing weight by then.

Yeah. This was about six months ago. Shows you how much I've lost since then. Wow. You look like a different person even now to then. Dude, what's funny, when you're 500 pounds and you lose 20 pounds, you don't really see it. Look how beautiful that is.

Dude.

God. I went out to sound check, Joe. And of course, y'all know I'm emotional by now. But I couldn't even get through sound check. but watch this part right here. You'll see my hand shaking. I'm shaking up there. You see it? I am shaking. You see the mic, watch the microphone hand because it's the one that doesn't lie.

Y'all know that. The other one you can shake while you're moving it, but the microphone hand, look at it.

Just rocking.

It was, and I'll tell you a story about this. I know I keep bringing up God things, but they called me to do this and it was Pharrell and Andrea Baccelli He put this together. Okay, and I love Pharrell. He's a dear dear became a friend of my sweet guy and I go Okay, cool, and I get there and Teddy Swims is there and Jennifer Hudson. I love Teddy Swims is the dude, baby Oh, man, that dude's got a voice. He's got a voice dog. It is you had him on you know, we've been talking no, we're gonna do it, please

He's a good conversation to me I believe it sweet solo, Georgia boy, just southerners southerners collard greens You're gonna love me just like me. He reminds me He's the sweetest. I'm other actually sing his ass. It's not fair. Whoo. It's not fair I want him singing with but the Chilean I mean if you're standing next to the chilly And you got a voice think about that. Mm-hmm. So I get there and I'm like, all right So what's the story here? And everybody was either singing with Pharrell or Bachelor

But me I was the only person in that whole event that was singing alone. So I get super nervous I'm like, why did I end up alone? I was like, oh shit. If Brandon Lake couldn't make it for some reason, I was like, this is bad. I've never been more nervous. I go out for sound check. I'm bawling crying and I'm like, dude, this is so crazy. And then I walk out and I'm like, when I go to do it right before I go out they come to me go hey Jennifer Hudson's gonna come out at the very End and do hallelujah with you or just do hallelujah. You just praise for a minute while she does it I was like the Jennifer Hudson. They were like, yeah, I was like so Jennifer Hudson walks over to me. I love her she goes

Alright, what do you want? She's so sweet. am Jennifer, I'm embarrassed you have to sing near me. And she goes, and then it hit me and I looked at her and I'll never forget this moment. She goes, what do you think we should do? I said, we give them Jesus. I said, I think that's why I'm here alone. I think,'s a Jesus thing obviously, but like, we're supposed, this is supposed to be a, she grew up in the South too, she grew up in Chicago, you know, she grew up Midwest, and I go,

this is supposed to be the church we grew up in, Jennifer. She was like, that's all I needed to hear. Oh, Joe. Just when I had the best vocal performance of my life, Jennifer Hudson comes out and takes them to church. It's a full praise and worship at that point. 200 choir members, hands up in the sky. We're in front of St. Peter's facility. They're worshiping out there, dude. Hands are in the sky, dude. Watch it after the show if you can. It's worth five minutes. It'll make you tear up a

little bit, dude. It was like, oh, dude, it was such a Jesus card and I'm going, can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight? Can we get a little praise for Jesus in here tonight? And I'm just, you can see the veins in my face, Joe. I don't remember it. I just was just there. You know what I mean? Like it's just, I just literally,

look right then. And this is where Jennifer Hutchins finna come out.

Wow.

This people lined up in the street too. This is wild. Oh dude.

But you don't see is the only reason you don't see people on the side streets is because they finally got rid of them. When it first opened, there was like all over Rome. You just could not move. Like like six, 700,000 people were down there trying to see this. It was the first time they've ever done live music at the Vatican That's great. I could not believe I got that call Joe. That's great. I know but anyway, I got there I was I just kept being more confused. I was like, hold on I'm the only one that's not singing with the two people that put this event together

Literally the only artist cuz Jennifer Hudson sang with just could not figure it out. I never had more imposter syndrome. And I prayed and I was like, God, I cuss, I smoke. I am, I don't, how am I being a vessel here? Like I don't like, and then that's whenever I was just, I heard it just so clear, like, dude, just open your hands.

Just, yeah, got you.

Yeah. Yeah Got you. Yeah, I Want to play you something? So you remember that Craig Morgan moment where you you talked about it when you were on stage at the Opry? Oh, yeah, almost home. Yeah, it's one of the coolest. Let's play that. I want to play that cuz we're gonna show you something I'm gonna show you something. Um That was a really powerful moment because you were talking about how you would listen to that song in prison, you know?

And how you went to the Opry and you sat there, I think you were in the seventh row.

So it's just, yeah.

Seventh row, exactly where I was, sixth or seventh. I was right back there, stage left.

And you talked about it when you were on stage stage the first time you were ever on stage at the Opry I want to play that first and we're gonna play something else you know

it's crazy dude do you have a Jamie you want me sent it to you you know why you're looking that up can I do something right quick yes I'm in love my wife's got a book coming out here everybody's called Stripped Down. It's coming out in February. She finally wrote her life story. I've never been more proud of a human in my life, y'all. I'm so proud of you, baby. In February.

You deserve this, girl.

Beautiful.

I brought you a copy. It took me 36 years to make it to the stage.

Big jelly.

500 pounds. Look at the size of it. Yes, sir. Night of my life. We're going to sing y'all some music for the soul from the soul. This song is called Son of a Sinner, baby. You got that plaque? I'm gonna be more honest than I probably should be. In 2008, I was incarcerated in a local penitentiary. I had made some horrible decisions.

I found strength little girl. She's in the crowd tonight. She's now 13 years old. I remember sitting in my jail bunk when I knew she was born and thinking I had to do something to change my life. I came home and I pursued the dream of music by selling mixtapes and t-shirts out of the

trunk of my car right here in Nashville, Tennessee. I married my best friend. We have full custody of that 13-year-old now.

And he met Jail Cell.

I found strength in country music. I used to listen to Craig Morgan sing almost home in my jail cell and think, I'm going to change my life when I get home. I came home and Googled Craig Morgan live performance, and he was right here at the

Grand Ole Opry. I sat right there with that man with the ball cap and the seventh row back on this row is sitting. No lying, I watched Craig Morgan and cried. For those of y'all that don't know, I make music for the broken. I make music for the have-nots and the lost causes in life. The ones that have been through something and overcame it. If you haven't been that person, you know somebody who has and I represent that person. I want to dedicate this song to everybody who's ever felt worthless and found their way out of that dark place. This record is certified gold. It is called Save Me. Thank you.

Let's go! We love you, Delhi! Oh I've spent so long living in hell. They say my lifestyle is bad for my health. It's the only thing that seems to heal All of this drinking, this smoking, this hopelessness Feel like it's all that I need

Something inside of me is broken I hold on to anything that sets me free I'm a lost cause I'm a lost cause I'm a lost cause I'm a lost cause

I'm a lost cause

I'm a lost cause

I'm a lost cause I'm a lost cause What is it like seeing yourself, what is it like seeing yourself that big and seeing yourself in that huge moment?

One, I love you man, you tricked me again. I thought we were getting off the pod, so I was like, oh, I just want to shout my wife's book out right quick, and then you were showing me a video.

I'm going to show you something else, too.

I didn't think I'd make it, Joe.

I'm going to show you this.

My buddy.

Give me some volume, Chase.

Congratulations on all the great things happening in your career and to thank you for the positive difference you're making in the lives of so many people who need the help. You're doing great work buddy and I'll never forget meeting you on the Grand Ole Opry and how much it meant to me to hear you say my music helped you get through some really tough times. That's one thing country music does really well. And who would have ever dreamed back then that I'd be back at the Opry house today to say, Jelly Roll, you're officially invited to become a member of the Grand Ole Opry.

It's an honor to say welcome to the family, brother.

He wanted to play that for you when you're here. Have a hug? Yeah, for sure.

I love you too. I love you too, brother.

Hey, Joe, that's like... You don't get no bigger in country music, Bubba. It's as big as a kiss, yo. You know what a fucking great old AfriDog. Oh, dude, I used to buy tickets to go there. And I remember I Googled...

Man, I cried a lot on this pod. It's a fuck.

I Googled Craig Morgan. I a lot on this pod. It's a fuck.

I Googled Craig Morgan I heard almost home in jail. And you've heard the song right? It's like the most tear jerking song about a homeless man. And it just reminded me of jail. No matter where you are, the mind's strong. I came home and the song meant so much.

I was like Craig Morgan live. It's like grand old Opry house. And I was like, Craig Morgan live. It's like grand old Opry house. And I was like, I'll go. Could barely afford tickets. I think I talked some girl in the bottom for me. I went sat by myself, I had an ankle bracelet on.

So there's a show, the show went off at nine. I had to be home at nine. So I was like, if he's the last one, I'm not bullshitting, I've maybe cried 10 times in my life at that point. And I cried. I cried. I cried like I'm crying here now. And I just remember thinking, man,

I wanna make people with, I can't believe I made him a member of the Hyperdog. I wanna make people feel the way he makes me feel. That's what I want to do.

Well you've done that man. You've done it brother.

I did it Joe. Man that's crazy Joe. Oh dude. Fuck. Oh dude I bet I'm the first person ever got invited to the Ariel O'Farrell podcast. That's awesome. Oh sorry let in a lot for a podcast. It's awesome. Oh, sorry. I'll see it when first second. I just I'm

You did it brother dude that uh, you did what you wanted to do That feeling that he gave you you've given to many many people It's an incredible gift You know, there's such so few people in life that have touched people the way you've touched people.

Thank you, Joe, man, it's just What a dream, dude. I used to I used to write on my vision board My wife first got together that your podcast was the number one thing I want to do every year because I always felt like I'd have a Joe Dirt moment on here I always felt like somewhere I'd be sitting here telling my story and the world would be tuning in, you know? And to be, fuck the fact that I'm on your podcast, in fact, you're my friend, dude.

I love you, brother.

I love you, brother. Thank you, man.

Of course, thanks for letting me on the podcast, but I just't think I was gonna be able to figure it out. You figured it out, and you're figuring it out more every day. Every day, brother. And I think through that, other people are as well. I hope so, too. They're figuring out their life, for sure. Just through your songs, through your words,

through your acts, through your deeds, through your life, through the way you've chosen people's lives. You are you are changing people's lives I will tell you 100% without doubt you're changing people's lives and you're enriching people's lives by being you by being a real person going through a real-life moment yeah you know and uh and doing it the right

way. Yes sir. Yeah Slow, it's not easy. No, it doesn't have to be easy.

Telling the truth ain't always fun.

No, no, no, no. It's not supposed to be easy. If it was easy, it wouldn't be so fun.

Gratifying though, man. Dude. God, Joe, man. A member of the Grand Ole Opry, dog! My name on the sheet, Bubba! When you come in the back of the Grand Ole Opry, they have them all and I'm shaking, Joe. Like when that deer was in the stand. They have these plaques that they put the name on and the first wall has only got two

rows left of plaques. I played there a couple months ago and I remember looking going, thinking to myself, the negative guy in me was like, fuck, I'm gonna be on the knee wall. If I ever make it, it won't be on this one. You know what I mean? It's just like, even then I was having a moment where I was like, if they ever actually, you know, I never thought, like when Jordan and Jen

invited me to the Grand Ole Opry, I never thought that would happen. I never thought that I'd be allowed to play the Grand Ole Opry, I think it's the first time I ever seen Luke emotional, you know? And I just remember being like, nah, that'll never happen.

Just like I remember looking at Cam like, I'll never be able to run a 5K, you know what I mean? Like, man, I don't know things can happen if you live your life true. Ooh Baby amazing things can happen if you live your life true Well, I know you don't leave Texas much but you can come see me at the Opry sometime. Fuck

hundred percent

You gotta come see me now that I'm a member dude I'm gonna close the show. 100%. I get to send my mail there now, too. Wow. Legally. Yeah, it's crazy, dude.

All the OGs got their mail there, Johnny and him.

Wow.

It was really, really cool. It's like a super legend there.

That's awesome.

It's incredible. Oh that's, man that's, I didn't even dream of it. God'll, God'll, God'll make things bigger than your dreams. Somebody out there right now is dreaming of something and it's too small. Dream bigger baby. Dream bigger baby. You know what I mean? That's it.

Oh. Let's wrap it up. That was perfect way to end this.

I love you brother.

Thank you brother.

It's been amazing.

Dude.

Fuck bro.

Bye everybody. Bye everybody.

Bye.