Joe Rogan Experience #2514 - Cameron Hanes

The Joe Rogan Experience.

We can use headphones on.No, we don't need them.

Okay.Whatever you think.

We have to wear your sweet hat.I don't want to fuck it up.There you go.Just got it.Look, we got an American flag.We got a skull.

We got camo.What the fuck else do you want?Are you American or not?Look at this.Oh, nice, dude.Socks.

You're all in for 250, the 250th anniversary.

It's also the only socks I brought on this trip somehow, so I wear them every day now.

You only brought one pair or one style?

No.One pair of socks and no underwear.

Oh, God, I've done that before.We have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo, with hotel shampoo.Yeah.And then wear them when they're wet.

And it's like I went on a run here.It is muggy.

Oh, yeah, baby.

I sweated my ass off.

That's the fear of this weekend at the UFC.Yeah.Because it's East Coast.It gets very muggy.Yeah, for sure.And D .

C.So these guys are all working out outside right now.I saw a video of Ayman Zahabi working out outside and Ilya Topori is working out outside.You know, you have to feel that heavy, heavy air.

It changes things.

Oh, yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid, I went to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.See those thunderstorms, dude?Oh, yeah, we're fucked.Fuck.There is a canopy that's over the cage.They put a canopy over the cage.

Well, if lightning hits that, that's not good.

Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay.I mean, I think I'm more worried about terrorist attack than I am.Yeah lightning.No, that's true, but I probably should be more worried about lightning I actually have friends that have been hit by light.We do Remy Remy got hit by lightning.Yeah for sure So I know I was full.

I don't know.

Anybody's been hit by a terrorist attack Yeah, we had you crazy storms here, you know playing golf.No, but I was outside.Thank you I thought the storm was over and I was out on my balcony and I was like, wow, this is crazyOh, that's not a good spot to be.One hit, I'm 500 feet in the sky.I'm already up there.

And then it hit and I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, holy shit, I gotta get inside.Like electricity sizzling?I was like, what the fuck is that?

Where is it sizzling?Oh my God, that's so scary.That's such a fucked up way to go.Do you ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street and he gets hit by lightning?He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further, he's recovering and he gets hit again.Dude got hit by lightning twice in like I don't know if it's time -lapse or well I don't know how long he was out for cuz it's like one of those ring cams that catches him He's gonna fucking cook twice.

You know you're having a bad day I forget what Remy said happened to him after he got hit But I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time or something something like that.

Yeah, we I was We do the mountains back home, like Runnum, and we were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner, last year.And a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever.It wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling.And you're like, God, is that coming this way?And it doesn't have to be that close.I mean, I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away.

Really?

Yes, it can go that it can go sideways.So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right?Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanting to get the summit and then bomb off while we're up there.And he goes, he goes, Dad, he goes, watch.And he had we had trekking poles, and he had them like this.And they're, they're like, ticking, like ticking.

from electricity was in his trekking poles.Then we I said, let's get the fuck off this thing.And so we bombed off and there's these kids down that were like, they said, should we go up?And I said, I'd wait a little bit.And the girl's hair was standing up.

Oh, my God.Oh, my God.Yeah.Yeah.It is not that.

Yeah.

So they just kind of.in Florida last year and what they call blue sky lightning what yeah It can it jump from several miles away.Wow this down the beach.

It was a blue sky above storm Yeah, and I think it can go I know I looked it up after that cuz I was like why need to know I'm in the mountains all the time His death nonetheless serves a grim reminder that Florida led the U .

S.in both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76.Holy shit.By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator?Did you see that one?Dude, it's body cam footage.

The cops got the gun out and he's like, stop, stop, stop.The guy's running.He's going in the water and all of a sudden, boom.

I'd rather get shot.

I'd rather get shot.I'd rather get shot and killed by a fucking dinosaur.If you get shot, the bullet's going to hurt like fuck.You're going to be in shock.You're going to realize you're bleeding out.You're going to have to say, I wish I was a better person.

I'm going to miss my family.But that fucking alligator is going to take a while to kill you.It's going to roll with you.It's going to drag you under the water.You're going to realize you can't get free.You're going to try to poke its eyes.

It's not going to work.

It's gonna be a miserable existence till it's over.

Do you see that one video of a dude?He got attacked by an alligator Lost his arm.So I bit his fucking arm off and he made his way back home So he they're they're like talking to him like right when he got out of the swamp He's got one arm and he looked like There's not a chance in hell.He was sober during any of this experience He looked like he had been messed up since the fucking 12th grade.Oh my god, this dude.Yeah, this is the dude.

Oh Just fucking lost his stump.Yeah, that's where I wanted for three fucking days with one arm.Oh my god, but firstof all, how do you not bleed out?

I know What's he saying on my right hand side so I went to swim and she got she got my forearm so I grabbed her like this and Like she's trying to roll but she snapped her head so my arm went backwards like this completely.He says he fought for his life.She drug me under three times.I like how the narrator comes in so important.

He says he fought for his life.I could imagine them in an editing bay.

Should I do that again?Is that good?I know.He says he fought for his life.Yeah we got that part with the no arm.I went ahead and assumed that.

They fucking wandered through alligator and snake infested swamp for three fucking days.

Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here.

You know when I went alligator hunting out there a few years ago, you know that alligator that we shot that's in the front?Bro, they're everywhere.If you ever want to come, it's really fun.I'd like to.I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting, but they need to be killed.They're vastly overpopulated.

But you can't do a bow?You can, but it's...

Well, that's like everything it's pretty sketchy, but this this you know, that's a grizzly killed alligators with a bow in Florida Yeah, you just got to catch him in the right spot.You got to basically hit him like right behind the head Yeah, I think you'd probably hit him with a fixed blade.Yeah for sure.

There's a will or something There's just you got a brain on yeah, so there's like that bump back there Then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump something like so you want to be like 20 yards Yeah, it's gotta be close fucking exit.Yeah right in there for sure the good thing about that if you fuck up and just kind of ricochet it's gonna be fine you know what i mean it's like literally it's not making if you go for the lungs and miss hit it in the stomach that's not good it's gonna be pretty sick and miserable death but it probably still live those fucking things are such modernThey're such monsters.I was saying you know we've killed bear Upper Kip killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs.

Oh, yeah, just like how one of them will eat the other one's leg Yeah, bite their fucking legs, but like how do you you know how do you survive?

Yeah?

We have to get antibiotics for like a hangnail Think our whole biome is probably all fucked up from washing it all the time Yeah, probably I mean it completely makes sense right so yeah Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do unless they're farm animals right or like Occasionally a little it happens all the time in the rut right like when you're dressing an animal you find all these holes in the side of it without like pussy I remember one time one of the that we shot at Tejon had his back leg was just filled with pus, like the whole back, it was all pus, because he had gotten stabbed.

It's usually in that back, because usually they turn because they know they're getting their ass kicked.And so it's in their hind quarter.It's like the dominant bull gets a jab in before they go.

And you've seen those Tejon bulls, those 1 ,100 pound fuckers.Imagine one of those stabbing you in the head.No.

And also, if you see, Antlers there that are broke because they're so heavy uh -huh like there's that bone is so thick for their antlers if a bulls break Imagine the force required to break that and imagine that going right up your ass For my camera guy, that'd be a dream For most of us now They find them, you know with these holes in them like when when you shoot them and you find out like what they've been through Like no wonder why they barely moved when they get hit with an arrow Yeah, they probably didn't even know like when two bulls are fighting and then one of them gets hit with an arrow They barely react.No, that'd be like what that what was that?Yeah, I landed on crazy.

They're just so just locked into war.

It's crazyif you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything.

Right, just slices right through.Just like that bull would be like, ow!Wait, what?What was that?Nothing?

And all of a sudden, woo, I'm feeling woozy.

Yeah.Then it's over.Hey, did you find that video?See if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator.You can see a little bit though.I just think it's exciting.

It's just you love watching chaos.

I don't know why Put the headphones on there see what I like the music okay?So here it is the cops got his gun out.Oh, this isn't a very good Yeah, see the cops got his gun out, and he's like trying to think of what to do and this dude's getting jacked Oh there goes the alligator.

Yeah, oh shit.

Yeah, oh Oh, did you see that line of the alligator?

Yeah, back that up a little bit so you can see it.So the dude's trying to swim away, and look at the alligator.Boom!That's a wrap, son.Did he put his hands up here?I don't think so.

I think he just, so...Like right there?Back it up a little bit more so you see the guy swimming away.What's that?It's a different version.Oh no, the same lady narrating.

That's when a gator slammed right towards him.And that's not good.

And the gator bit him in both of his arms.I mean, it was a full -on attack.

It was a full -on attack.Like, as if, what, a halfway attack?No, they were fine.It's a fucking dinosaur.Look at this.There was another story.

Florida a few years back where a guy was running from the cops.I think it was a high -speed chase gets to a bridge Stops the car throws it in park jumps off the bridge boom alligator gets him literally like landed right on a fucking alligator But that's the reality of the water all the freshwater in Florida is filled with alligators.They have to check Disneylandthe time, or Disney World.They have to check it all the time.Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago?

Imagine you take your kid to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur?Rough.

Whoa.And also it's like, You know how, I don't know, you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're eating and like something falls on the ground?They're always checking the ground.Well, that's what alligators do in the water.They're just sitting there just chilling out.They hear a little splash.

You're like, oh, like a dog.Was that a crumb hitting the floor at the dinner table?

Yeah, exactly.

So they're just over there and they'll just eat whatever hit the water.

Especially if something seems like it's struggling.Yeah.

Oh, I got you.

They're such opportunists.

Yeah.So they're just, you know, Chilling just waiting for shit to hit the water, which is that's what fishing is too You know you see that the fly is hatching you try to match it try to put it on there and like they're like Okay, got one to hit the water, but yeah alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity and every once while some comes off a bridge and hey big meal Really shocking how many of them there are in in the Everglades like you know I went I guess was three years ago and And when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator.

It's like nothing I've ever seen.I thought it'd be hard to find them.I thought like we'd go out there, you know, you look around, you probably glass a little, see eyeballs pop up.No, they're fucking all over the water.

Like how many would you see?

We saw 15, 20, maybe more, maybe 30.You see like some movement on the water and then they dunk under and you're in the fucking swamp, man.It's sketchy as shit.Never done it.It's very weird.It's very weird because you're like, this is a mess.

Yeah.Like this, the feeling that you get there like, oh, this is infested.Like you, you're infested by dinosaurs.And then meanwhile, you go an hour and a half later, you're in Miami, having a steak, drinking a nice pinot noir.You think you're in civilization.You're fucking half a day's drive from Monsters.

An infested jungle filled with monsters.

And imagine if you weren't in a boat.Like, what if, what if you were to somehow, something happened to the boat?Oh, you're fucked.Yeah.What would you do if, like, the boat sank out there?

Well, we weren't in a boat.Oh, okay.We, we drove out.We were with, with guides and we drove out in trucks.Okay.And they know, like, where the lake areas are, where the, you know, it's very dense out there.

It's very thick.It's just hot and muggy.And, and these fuckers just...You see him pop up you see the eyeballs pop up you see some motion, but you fucking see him everywhere Yeah, and then you look around and how big the Everglades is and you go how many of them are out here?Yeah, it's not like we found the honey spot right you know what I mean.It's like the whole Everglades and There when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was 11 years old from 11 to 13 I lived in Gainesville and there's four alligators back then but they were endangered And so you weren't allowed to kill them.

And so they would kill people's dogs and shit I remember this lady in my neighborhood her dog got jacked She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away.This is like the late 70s and We were filled feeding them marshmallows So you go to the dock and throw marshmallows and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows Mm -hmm, and it was you know, it's weird.Yeah, it's kind of cool.Yeah, they're freaks you out a little bit But they weren't dangerous right cut to all these years later now Because no one hunted them because they basically were making shoes out of them right in the day Yeah, they almost hunted them to extinction and they should probably start that again We need to bring out issues happen like back in like the 70s like that was the cool shoes like in the pool halls where I used to play pool likeold guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up.He had his Gators on He looked good.

He had a nice suit.He had his Gators on his Gators.I got Gator boots alligator shoes the Casey Yeah, yeah gator boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of almost makes sense because like out like you get boots that are made out of like snakeskin and Ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy boot thing.Yeah Alligator dress shoes.Yeah, you got your gators, right?Yeah, very hard to get polish it nice black.

Oh, yeah I love that, but I gotta apologize to Ric Flair.He got scammed.Hmm So some some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and they were gonna have that he was gonna come on the podcast Oh, I think Tim Dillon has happened with him too.It didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're gonna have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information.

Yeah, they'll pay you.Sometimes it's like 3 ,000 bucks, because I've got those too.

And what it really is, is they're just going to empty your bank account.And it's just a scam.So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real.Sorry, Ric Flair.So Ric Flair, I don't know if he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on Amy Poehler's show.So that's the scam.

The scam was they reached out to, he talked about it on his podcast.The scammer reached out, said, I'm representing the Amy Poehler show.We would love to have you on.And he was like, that doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler.

I don't think I'm a good guest.

He was like, I don't think this is real.And then it says, you know, we need your bank account information.

And so many people just like, Don't think about it or they're boomers or well it they make it seem legit because I know Pat McAfee I got an email from theabout coming on the show.And I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before.And so I'm like, Maybe?I mean, for me, it's like a big deal.Like ESPN and Pat McAfee.

He's like, to me, he reminds me of you.He just kind of does what, says whatever he wants.He's free.If the bosses say whatever, he's like, fuck off.I just love that unfiltered, like true thoughts.

He's a guy that's got fuck you money that says, fuck you.That's what I love.

It's just, it's beautiful.So, I mean, I celebrate that's, that's a, you know, first amendment in his, you know, Glory right there.

He seems like a genuine good.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know him, but it's I don't know him either But when you hear yeah, I talk enough.Yeah.

Yeah, you can assume or you can like put the pieces puzzle together But and they've wore my stuff on there.So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real right?And so the guy I asked He's just a a oh He's just a great guy, but he he said no, it's not not legit but they had me because it was like it almost seemed real and Fight Night is here.

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Yeah, somebody asked me like, hey, you know, they said, well, they said, can you do anything about it?Unfortunately, I can't like there's nothing you could do other than tell people.It's a scam.Mm -hmm I don't want to tell you how I get guests.I don't want to like give up the process But I have a guy and I have this guy reach out to people and you know I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it But if you get like I hear Yeah, if you get an email asking for your bank account information, it's not me.And it's probably not Anna Faris or Amy Poehler or Tim Dillon or any of those other people.

It's all bullshit.There's scumbags out there.

Unfortunately, if you say you have some elk meat you'll share that might be real.

Nope.Oh Friends and family.That's it.I give it it out to weirdos But uh, you're bringing some bear meat.

I know you know, dude, you're I said you're in trouble.I know we got We got no I got I got shit.We're gonna discuss today.

They're like I had a scientist on yesterday He had less notes less.

I know I'm ready.Well, I We had some first of all before we go any further.Yeah, what's going on with your tooth?

Why you got a gold tooth?I love it.

Yeah, it's a well it was it's kind of a joke, but I've been, like, for years obsessed with, like, perfect teeth, right?

That's why Adam Green shoes always bust your balls.

I did, like, the white strips and all this other shit.And, like, I always cared about, well, just probably cared too much.So now I don't care what I look like.What changed?I don't know.I've just been playing the game too long.

Now it's just like, I'm just done.And the game's not over, unfortunately.Even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, the game still goes on.So it's like, I'm still part of it.But anyway, I was getting this...Okay, long story short, I broke this in high school.

So I had a fake tooth since high school.Yeah, this is like a long story, kissing this girl, basketball hit me back in the head, broke the tooth.

You broke the teeth on her teeth?

Yeah, so she had pieces of teeth in her lip.Oh, that's crazy.Yeah, it was Jack Devereux who did that.But anyway, so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it, finally found one that looked good.Well, I go in there, I hadn't been in the dentist in forever because I just hate going, and they said, oh, you got a a cavity under that whatever composite is what it was called.And I'm like, okay, cool.

So we got to take it off, fix the cavity, then you get a whole nother one.And I'm like, whatever.So I go back in there, next appointment, they take it off, no cavity.But now I just have this, like whittled down regular tooth, just like a Like a post of a tooth.

So because they removed the cavity?

Because there was no cavity.

There was no cavity.

Jesus Christ.They thought on the x -ray there was.So they had the, anyway, the cap or the composites gone.So they said, well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fake tooth in Springfield, swing by this Springfield, whatever they do there for dentistry.So I go in there and they said, the girl there goes, Hey, my husband, Nate makes some really cool gold teeth.He does a really good job.

Do you want a gold one?And I was like, wait.And so she's like, we'll do a white one too, but a gold one might just be fun.And then I'm like, yeah, it'd be fun.So I told Trace, I'm just going to do it just a day or two.So this has been months now.

Are you going to keep it?

I don't know.I kind of like it.I kind of like it, too.

I kind of like it.It's like everybody, you know, everybody's got Regular teeth nobody's got gold teeth or something anymore.

It was a thing back in the day remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for well This is like my savings account because I figure that I'm gonna lose everything because I'm such a fuck -up But I'll still have this I can sell that sucker out you can buy a cheeseburger Yeah, if I get in a bind right it's like hey, well I got this I have one crown I have one fake tooth back here.I cracked one of my molars.I had a root canal and then It like so Then they had to put like a crown on it, and then it cracked.And so now I gotta get another one, because I got a little piece of it missing.I think I'm gonna get a gold one.Nice.

Get a gold one right here.

Do it.Do it.I'm gonna.

Now you inspired me.Also, it's in the back, so you won't see it all the time until I give you a big cheese.

Yeah, well.I'm gonna get it.

I'm copying you.

When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile.

Yeah.

So that'll be when people see it.That'll be fun.

Fortunately, I laugh a lot.

I know.

I live a happy life.

Yeah, you do.You're crushing it lately.Oh, it's just keep, keep your foot on the gas.Same old stuff, right?Just keep going.I can't believe, I look at your guests and it's just like nonstop, dude.

It's like, it's, people see like all your success.You'd think most people would be like, okay, I'm good.I'll, your foot off the gas.You don't.

No.

You keep, I mean, you work your ass off.

Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do.And very few human beings get this opportunity.And I feel insanely fortunate.And also, very responsible.Like I'm responsible for this whole thing.I have to keep it rolling.

I know people are addicted to it.They love it.They want the variety.They want scientists.They want guys like you.They want athletes and fighters.

They want all this shit.They want to hear all these differentpeople talk all these different perspectives and It's a huge obligation, you know, and I feel I connected to all these people I know I don't talk to them all the time.I don't know see but I feel it.

I know it and I'm Dedicated so I just keep my foot on the gas.

I never I never say I can't believe I have to do this Oh, I can't believe I've show up.I just yeah I always try to reset every day and go, God, I'm so lucky.It's so fortunate.And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most out of it.Because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world.I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast?

It's always gone like back and forth.I've had it for like six years now, six or seven, might be seven years now.And it's like, I'm not, I'm not keeping my foot off the gas.I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing.I'm going to do it my best.I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off.

That's like people have said, like with bow hunting and stuff, like, If you, you know, you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right?And then there's going to be people that want your position.And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like, fucking come get it.Come try to take it.Cause I'm working my ass off still.

We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude.This dude was a, we were all just fucking around.I really even forget who it was cause it didn't matter.And he said, uh, yeah.And after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race and you go, Good luck with that.It was so cold.

You didn't even remotely take it seriously.It was like a five year old saying they're going to kick my ass.Like, okay, good luck with that.

Yeah.I mean, you get, you get confident when it's something you do.

like further down the line than anybody Yeah, so if you're gonna take my spot, I mean it's been a grind dude 40 years Yeah, the whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey And you could look at it in terms of I'm gonna take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation And that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation.If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy.I know this sounds very hippie, but it's true.That energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to extreme limits and just and excelling at whatever it is, whether it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand -up comedy, you should look at those people like, wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better?Or where can I get to a point, how can I get to a point where I'm like them?But most people don't do that.

Most people are like, fuck that guy, that guy fucking sucks, this sucks, and fucking he's a pussy, and he's a this, and he's using steroids, and he's fucking lying about how many There's always gonna be people like that and I'm telling my message to the haters I was a hater when I was a kid.I was 100 % a hater 100 % like all the other people like when I was fighting everybody else was a pussy.

Mm -hmm.

They were all pussies Yeah, unless they were weren't in my weight division.They're winning my weight division that I could celebrate it But everybody in my weight division was a pussy that guy's I'm gonna fuck that guy up.He's got nothing I could never celebrate people even like national champions people with the right couldn't celebrate them Right.It's a waste.It's a waste of energy.Yeah.

And you get more energy out of looking at what they do well andanalyzing it and being inspired by it It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them You know fuck that guy fuck this fuck that It's a waste of energy.You have to be selfish with your energy.Your energy is very critical.It's everything in life.Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy.

And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego -driven direction just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, This guy can kick my ass.Oh, this guy could shoot a bow further than me.Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run.Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than me.What the fuck can I do to get where he's at?Yeah, you got to just That's a, it's a trap because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress.

It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future.It's bad all around.

There's no good to it at all.No, I agree with that.And it's like that, that energy is a resource that we have to protect.I think that when you talk about like, you talk about all the outliers that you, you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you.And I think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens, that makes people want to come on.Like you said, you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say.

People want to hear what they have to say to you, because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way, because your attitude is so pure.I think like, even if you didn't believe what you said, It was still if you just said, like, I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative, like in tone or like confrontational in tone.People wouldn't want to be on here like they want to be on here now.You being positive and looking at things like, how can I get better?How can I grow?How can we all learn and grow?

better from this?That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you.People are attracted to the guests you have.People are attracted to the show.And so, yeah, that energy, even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it.You know what I mean?

You seek it out.And I know when I'm, I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope.I don't wanna hear about how fucked up everything is all the time.I want hope.How can I have hope?Because hope gives me purpose.

I'm like, okay, I can do this.I get to work and this'll pay off.So I think it's more complicated than we think, but there's a reason why you're number one and have been number one, and it's your attitude.And it's how you speak to people.

It's also I got in really early, right?So I got in at like 2009.And there was hardly anybody doing it back then.

Yeah.

So you could you could also I wasn't as famous back then.So you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it.Right.He get good at it.

So you could hone your craft.

Right.

Yeah.

You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through.You didn't have that.You just did it.

If you started now maybe you wouldn't be number one.

I wouldn't be.You know what I mean.There's there's there's so many pot.There's I mean how many podcasts are there now.

Yeah.Like what's the number.

10 million, 5 million, 7 or 8 million.It probably keeps growing every week.So because everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk.

Well, and the people starting now, they might be you down the road.Oh yeah, for sure.There might be some, you know, they'll be them.Incredible conversationalists.

They'll be them.They'll be a different thing than me, but they'll be amazing at it.

But you had,because you had this insight or, you know, you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, oh, maybe I could do that.You started this process of this decades of honing your craft.to where it is now, and now you've been on top for six, seven years, right?And it's just because of all those reps that you did.It's no different than anything we always talk about.

It's everything.Everything is reps. Yeah.And it's just like, you want to get good at something?Fail.Keep doing it.

Archery is reps. Pool is reps. Martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience.And it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do, whatever it is.

Yeah.I think like, I even think of, you know, I love Sean Ryan.And he has an incredible podcast.But I get why this is happening.He's pretty down, kind of on a lot right now, just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is By design, almost.They want us to be hopeless.

And I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled.But Sean, his podcast lately has taken more.I don't want to say dark because it's more real, but it's like it's darker.So I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours.You have every reason to be dark about things, and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you.

Well, I think it's like, first of all, people that aren't comedians, they're limited.In what they can talk about in the way they can talk about things, you know being a comedian is there's a little right of a safety little freedom You can write it off a little bit.It's also there's that's real in terms of like another layer of conversation like there's a layer of conversation that is Commonly known as talking shitAnd talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny.And you make each other laugh.You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night.

You know, why is your mouth so sore?You know, like, you fuck around.You say things.You're silly.You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth.You know, you don't make people laugh.

You're not really doing meth right there's you're not really having gay sex right you're fucking around Yeah, and when you can't fuck around There's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing that for sure and there's a whole like Like, get out of jail pass.Like, let's have fun.Let's loosen up a little here.You can't loosen up.You're serious.

Right.And then where does the conversation go back to the serious part, which changes it?

It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement.

Yeah.

And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world, and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world, you certainly shouldn't.But if you only focus on the bad of the world, it's kind of a trap.Yeah.It'll fuck your head up too.You're just swimming in negativity all the time.

That's what I see, Sean.That's a feeling I've got with Sean lately.Whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset.There's always this reset back to good.The message is good.

Yeah, I think.

And I don't think you're, I don't, I don't think you, that's not by design.That's just who you are.

Yeah, no, it's not like a design.It's just that's how I think.Yeah, like you can only dwell on negativity so much.Most of your day is not negative.In fact, yeah, it's there's things that you need to be aware of and need to be prepared for them.

And the problem is, is no, it's not.But our voices are oftentimes negative.So It's easy if like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative It's a lot of negative dude.Yeah, so it's like knowing that you know, I can'tdown a negative rabbit hole pretty easy I try to avoid Waiting in that well sometimes.

It's like you just get fed up like where the fuck are these Epstein files Yeah, the fuck is this why is this redacted?Where is it who the fuck killed JFK right like come out with it?What the fuck who fucking killed Charlie Kirk for real?Yeah, like what is that?Why is that fucking story so clouded in mystery?And why do they pave over the fucking ground right after the shooting what the fuck is going on there see now?

You're making me in a bad mood.

That's but that it's easy to do.It's easy to do I see my notes, look at my two on the very top.What does it say?Stay positive, be nice, and what does that other one say?You have terrible handwriting.Be positive.

Oh, be nice, be positive.But your handwriting's terrible.It is.You should be a doctor.

But no, I have to remind myself, like, because I, if you start mentioning those things that you just did.Oh, it's hard.Dude, I will fucking lose my shit.Yeah, it's hard.Because I'm so pissed.

I know.And you should be.And we're all pissed.We're all, you know, we all thought that, You know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election.We're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles.

Well, the first term was more like that.That's what gave me hope for this term.The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on, I felt.Then we had the Biden disaster.And now the second term has been, I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is.

Well, it would have been a whole lot different.First of all, if we didn't bomb Iran, I feel like we bombed them the first time we were good.The second time was like, even the first time I was like, what the fuck are we doing?Yeah.And then when they were saying like, this is it, the escalation is over.We're going to work this out like, oh, yeah.

And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh, fucking great.Now, and the most people don't want it.That's the real problem.Most people in the country don't want it.Now, look, I'm no fucking foreign policy expert.I don't know what's going on over there.

But I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it.And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first or people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're going to change things.And this is all just for money.We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money.Those people are all upset.I don't know really what's going on though.

That's the problem and I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the running running military structure because it seems like that's super fucking complicated Like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever And so they have like all these layers of control Like when this guy gets taken out new guys are like ready to fill their spot And then when we're negotiating with the new guy Israel kills him And then what happened yesterday they captured like 20 oil tankers Oh, did they?

I didn't even see that.

Yeah.It was some, I don't know, it might be bullshit.I just read it very quickly on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah, it's a...Boy, I've been so healthy lately, last few months, just staying off of fucking Instagram.Really?Staying off of Twitter, just not reading anything.

Yeah.

Not anything, but Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics.

Oh.

I don't know how.I follow one schizophrenic.My name is Dolores.I am the real granddaughter of JFK.The gold that's in the basement is all mine.They're trying to stuff shit inside my vagina.

They wake me up in the middle of the night.

Crazy people.

Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them.And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago.And again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people.I'm like, I gotta get all of them.There's no reason.

It's interesting.That's what gets you hooked.

I got this one lady.She was a hooker and she's a crackhead.And she thinks everyone's a man.So she'll show up photos of all these different people.That's a fucking man.

She's just fucking out to lunch.

One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States.And he wears this dirty old suit.And you look in his eyes and he's out.there.The dude's gone.He lives in a completely different dimension than we do.

And he's on Instagram.

I start watching like sometimes street fights.

Oh, I watch a lot of those.

There's a lot of those out there or the joke, the pranks or the jokes or pets.It's like, pets are cool.And then it's just like, but they, it's just a trap.It just keeps you there.

And then an hour's gone.And you're like, what did I do for an hour?It's just terrible for you.But since I've been really good about it, I'm just so much healthier.When I take like full days, like days off, I feel so much better.And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii?

We went to Hawaii a few years back, and we went bow hunting for axis deer on Lanai, and I broke my phone.I don't know if you remember this.Yeah, I do.My phone just started calling people.I'd be like, ooh, this is crazy.I'd hang up, and it'd start calling a new person.

Hang up.So I had to get a new phone, and it took like three days.Those were like three of the happiest days of my life.And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone.I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, I can't wait till my phone gets here.

Well, there's stuff that words really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff.

Oh, yeah, and capturing those memories That's yeah, it's and if you have a question, yeah, I love it for because I've always have a question about something I love that Siri now you could just press Siri and ask it a question Like how many minutes are in a month and it'll just tell you yeah, like right Oh, like you'd be driving on the car.You have a question.Just press a button and it gives you the answer Yeah, fucking nuts

How many times did you have a question?

You're just like, I'll probably never figure that out exact now No question goes unanswered literally instantaneous, you know, and you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask you questions because I'm just Driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened and just now, you know, like instantaneously Yeah, but the dealing with all the people stuff That's that's where I checked out I'm like, I'm not interested in that.I don't like, it's like, if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the soup is shit, all right, I would recommend not eating that soup.And that's what social media is like it's like I get some meat out of it here and there I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb Telescope like whoa this is fucking cool and it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things and then I'll just deal with some fucking kooks and and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like oh fucking Christ it's exhausting it's too It's exhausting.Yeah, it's just eating soup with shit in it.Yeah, it's just like it's not worth it Yeah, which you brought in some of that bear grab some of that son And so a lot of people are of the opinion that a black bear is not an edible meat And that is that is incorrect People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone Give me some so also this no one can hear that either you got to get to the microphone also put that thing down and have a seat Casey Brooks is I've heard of the name so he killed the world record elk.That's right.

Yeah.Yeah that giant what that thing is crazy.He doesthis is like super hot stuff.

Here's what it's called.

What is it?Everything you need to know about chilean, whatever it's yours.

Everything you need to know about, well, it's all worn out.

I know.It's maybe on the other page.

Small but mighty Chilean chili.

Yeah.Okay.So it's a type of chili?Yeah.You put that on like when you're cooking steaks.

Where's that knife, Jamie?Here's one.Thank you.

Look at that.Oh sweet.

Oh, look at that fucking.Yeah.Oh my god Nuts that thing is literally nuts.What was the score on that?It was like 386 or something.No 486 or no 486.

Yeah.

Yeah Close to 500.

Yeah.Whoa, this smells strong does it?Oh my god.Yeah, so these are the chili.

Oh, so this is a Yeah, he said you don't need much.

It says...

What did it say?480?

It says sprinkle this shit on everything.

Okay, yeah.

This is cool.

Yeah, so I brought...

And also, do you know his son?

His son is a really good out caller.I mean, I don't know.Oh, he makes calls.Yeah, we don't usually mess around with that.

I learned how to do these just last year.

His son is Bo Brooks.

I learned how to make a female elk coat.Because I had a little one that I blow on, so I never learned how to use a reed.

Yeah, the mouth reed.

I definitely don't know how to make an elk set with a tube.I'm fucking terrible.

Yeah, well, let me see that knife real quick.Yeah, this is the old packout skinner from Montana Knife.But here's the good stuff right here.So we got some of this.Tell me what you think of this.

I've had it the last time you brought it.It's from the same ...No.This is from White's.

White's up in Portland.And this is Ronnie.Ronnie's the man, dude.Portland, Oregon has a good wild game processor.I think it's more like Gresham, but it's so good.

Oh, that is good That's fantastic.

Yeah, thank you Ronnie.And then this is a no trichinosis, right?Trichinosis free then this is I mean have you ever tested yourself for trichinosis?

See if you have it.You might already have some bear jerky to might have it and ignored it So the jerky so good This says whites on it right here whites country meats.

So we got sausage.

Oh, you made breakfast sausage.

Yeah, it's so good.

Nice Rendered bear fat right here.

Oh watch you that so you can cook with that.

It's dark.Yeah.Why is it so dark?

I don't know.

I'm crazy.Yeah, Clay Newcomb gave me some did he?

Yeah.Okay.Have you ever used it?

I cooked steaks with it.

Okay.

It's great for searing steaks.You know, just like even beef towel.Yeah, but it gives it a different flavor.

Sure, definitely.

So he did it.

It's like and also like the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different.So it's it just reacts differently for me, making the pepperoni and rendering the fat.It just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there.This is one of the big bear I just killed.And yeah, so it's just perfect timing for, I guess, rendering fat and making sausage.

I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bear camp.

Yeah.

Where she smoked that bear for like 24 hours.Yeah.

So good.

God, it looked insane.

It looked like - It was so good.She's like a gourmet chef now with bear.

Yeah, and then they had the meat church guy up there this last week.Yeah.And so they were like, you know, bear meat, when you put a whole back ham on the Traeger, so she let it soak, marinate for four days, right?And I saw people saying, oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good.Whatever.I'm just telling you what it was.

Four days, and then 20 hours of a soak.cook on the Traeger.Best meat you've ever had.It's like incredible.That's bear.You know, there's like people talk about Settlers back in the day, they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides.

Isn't that crazy?To make clothing because bear was superior meat.So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good.And it's amazing.

Well, it's because of Yogi.

Yeah.

Yogi fucked us.Probably.Yeah.Yogi and the one that tells you not to start fires.Who's that guy?

Smokey.

Smokey.Smokey the Bear, Yogi.

Yeah.

They fucked us.Yeah, they did.And Disney.Disney fucked us.You know, if it wasn't for those anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you, we would have a completely different idea of animals and a much more realistic idea of animals.

For sure.

Which I think most hunters have.You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be managed.I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got in Santa Monica the other day of a mountain lion in someone's backyard.Big fucker.Just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man.

There.I mean, I don't know if you know where anymore, but I hate too much.

People get annoyed.Oh, yeah, that's true.It's good, though.

It's that's a jalapeno cheddar.How's it taste?

You tasted the one the first one I had was jalapeno.Yeah, it's fucking great.

It's really good.So good.Yeah.

Yeah, I know what people saying.Oh, you can make anything.Look at that.That's the cat in the backyard.Oh, man.That fucking nuts, man.

Look at his eyes.Yeah.Fuck you, man.Fuck you.Yeah, it's a mean while they build a stupid bridge for them, and it's way over budget It's over a hundred million dollars now for the stupid fucking bridge so they can cross We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety trust.I am of a completely different opinion I say put one of those fucking big -ass

grills on your car like I have on my Land Cruiser Yeah, and let's hope we get a few of them.Yeah, so they don't kill people's dogs.Mm -hmm look it was right there That is Bananas look where it is look how dense look how dense the housing is there is a mountain lion right there And they think a mountain lion is gonna go find this bridge.Well.They probably will eventually find the bridge But there's a bunch of retards.It'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit.

That's that's nature Yeah, let's figure it out.Yeah, figure it out die.Yeah, figure it out or die.There's too many of them They they're so unrealistic about their mountain lion numbers.Yeah, there's way too many of them.They're all over, California Yeah, because they don't manage them.

That's what we talked.Yeah, we talked about that last time and it's like I just wonder what is You know, what's the goal?Because now, you know, I wore this shirt today because now public land is again back in the crosshairs.I don't know if you saw that.

Yeah.What is going on?This Mike Lee guy.

Yeah, that same guy.Same fucking guy from he he's trying to like, this is Utah guy, right?The Utah guy.So right now is like, there's this this bill that was going to be introduced.It was like talking about wildfires, essentially.But it's like, it's, you know, what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it.

Like they always do, there's always these other provisions tied into with all these bills, right?And you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not.But he put in this roadless area section, because there's 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to basically They're not saying this they're saying for some other reason.I think oh, here's what they said We have so many acres of roadless area that to fight wildfires.We need roadsokay?

They don't care about fighting wildfires.They care about resource extraction or development, right?

Maybe development, but development's a tough sell in a lot of those wilderness areas.But what's not a tough sell?

That's what they tried with this.Remember the affordable housing?Yeah.They tried to say that's what it was.That was supposedly affordable housing, which, like years ago, I went back and talked to Jason Chaffetz.He was a representative there in Utah.

And I went back there and spoke to him.At that time, it was about surplus acreage.So there's 3 million surplus acres nobody's using.

Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion, that the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy about public land.Somebody told me that.See if there's any reality to that, that the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land.I don't know if that makes any sense.This is not my thought.Someone told me this, and I was like, wait, what?

And I don't think I ever looked it up.

Right.I do that, too.I'm like, I need to look that up.And I never do.And I never know anything more.But yeah, so I went back, talked to Jason.

At that time, it was surplus acreage.Then this time, it was affordable housing.Now this time, it's wildfire fighting, which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, the National Forest Service already has $10 billion of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now.So they're saying you're going to add more roads to the $10 billion worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on.Don't think so.What they're going to do is, and then also, if you make roads, the stats say 85 % to 90 % of fires are started within a half mile of a road.

So it'sthe wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there.There's hardly any fires back there.It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain.That's where the fires are starting, right?

Right, because it's usually people.

It's human cause.90 % of the time it's human.Or lightning.That's only like a small percentage of people.fires that can't be fought.

because so much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer, or sell some of that land is especially intense there.

Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee, which...

Conservative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of Western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies.The housing thing is like, hey man, fuck you.You're not putting houses in the mountains.I don't believe you.I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something.

I mean, they don't care about, first of all, they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains, which, you know, water, power, that's not going to happen.

What is this Wyoming thing?It says that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered National Historic Site was sold into private ownership, which is why it drew attention.What are they referring to, though?A National Historic Site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners.At the request ofmembers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.

Oh, so the church tried to purchase public land.

So down to that next one, it says, LDS teachings require strong stewardship and specifically advocate preserving and protecting public lands.

Okay.

So it's just politicians.And I think he's beholden to Trump.Trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing because Trump doesn't give a fuck about public land.But his son does.

This is what doesn't make any sense.

Does he listen to anybody?I don't know.

I don't think so.He listened to me about psychedelics.

Well, that, okay.We'll talk to him about this.

Is that it again with sneaky roadless rule amendment?Yeah.Yeah.Well, maybe if I see him this weekend, well, I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that.But I don't think.

There was a sentence in there that I just saw.It says 99%, right here, right in the middle, 99 % of Americans opposed repealing the roadless rule.Okay.Why they work for us, isn't that right?So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions.It's like, why don't they listen to people like the public?

The public would say, yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manageable.

I don't think the public of California would.I'm opposed to that.I'm opposed to ballot box biology.

No, no, me too.That's how they got wolves into Colorado.But I'm just wondering, like with this, this roadless rule, they didn't ask the public anything.

Right.

And 99 % of the public oppose it.

Yeah.That's way, I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of a hunting thing.

Yeah.I, I'm good with, okay.So on your point, then I want biologists making the decision on hunting.

A hundred percent.

I don't want politicians making the decision on land use.

A hundred percent.

All right.So that's, that's all I'm, that's all I'm saying.It's like, let's have experts in the field decide these things.It's like, who is the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom?

Uh, me. I called in.

But it's like, how are these decisions being made?Like this roadless rule, this was like a last minute add on that the public did not get a chance to vote on.How is that okay?

No, it's not okay.It's super fucking sneaky.And I think all of our positions should be like your t -shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position.Not one acre.We have an amazing system here.We do.

The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world.It's very different.And the fact that you can go out there and that is your land.If you were a citizen of the United States of America, Public land is your land, and you have access to incredible wilderness, beautiful places.And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no fucking people, and it's unbelievably pristine wilderness, and it's owned by the entire country.And we gotta keep it that way.

We can't let that slippery slope get into play.As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll fucking keep going.Not one acre.

Once you lose something, you don't get it back.

Ever.

Especially with this public land.At this time, when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards.It was hunting, hiking, fishing, whoever, recreators.It's like people who just love and appreciate public lands, we all came together, shot it down, and the public sentiment was vicious, right?And they couldn't ignore it.We need the same thing now, because at this time, I know we did so much, everybody came together, but when they do these, they wear us down with these last minute deals.

and add on these things, because it's like, how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting?And you're like, I thought we already got this.Didn't we solve this already?And now it's back.

Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many fucking balls in the air at the same time is because you can't fight it all.You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure?Yeah, I know the UF UAPs.We're going to have a big meeting on Monday.We're going to have a big release on Wednesday.

So, so I think they took to me, it seems pretty nefarious that they're like, say, oh, we got all these fucking dipshits worried about this roadless rule.Okay, we can distract some of them with aliens, got an alien stuff.All right.Okay.Oh, we could, uh, we could distract some of them with fighting.We've got the white house fight coming up.

Okay.That's.And now all of a sudden now it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core groups with this other bullshit.Right.And it's the bread and circus thing.And like, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell who said this, that it's not for the white house to be putting on.

Sporting events.That's not we hire the government to run our country not entertain us True.

Yeah.No, I look I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always I think World Championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment That said it's gonna be sick It's gonna be it's gonna be I'm gonna watch I have to like people think Oh Rogan's negative again Nope, I'm not negative, but I'm not positive either Don't if it was me if I was running the the UFC I would never run the UFC, but if I was running the UFC I would have never wanted to do it.Yeah, I'd have said we can't do it.They have to be in a controlled environment We can't have a world championship fight.We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.It's gonna affect the grappling.

It's gonna be like hot oil wrestling Everyone's gonna be sweaty as fuck.Yeah, it's gonna be completely different than and also you're in jail

is gonna be less No, no submissions going probably gonna happen.

Well, you know, maybe but also you can get under a neck way quicker Oh, right slide your arm through there.Yeah, cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweating.Yeah, you get get it right under the chin.Yeah Slides in there, but Most grapplers would not prefer that most grapplers would prefer an air -conditioned arena like normal It should be fucking 72 degrees just like it always is You know it should be air -conditioned like it always is but even that they're controlling the hands because you know like if you're top or bottom Like the big part is like the wrist control.

Yeah, like if you're sweaty.Oh, yeah, yeah That's tough.

I mean in the old days dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil Yeah, and then they would wash it off And so then they would you know get warmed up?And then when they would start sweating the baby oil would come out of their pores because it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours I'm not accusing any individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened.And guys would be completely greased up.And you could wipe them down with a towel.It wouldn't matter.I mean, the grease is everywhere.

It's in their fucking pores.And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them.It's like trying to hold on to a fucking salmon in the middle of the water.They just slip right out of your fingers.

Well, that happens, too, if you eat McDonald's all the time.Just kind of grease out your pores.So they should try that.

Maybe that'll work.I think that'll affect your performance more.But the sweat is is going to be a big issue.The outside, the bugs, that's going to be a big issue.The thunderstorms.Oh, yeah.

It's going to rain.

Another forecast that says starting around 2 o 'clock, rain.3 o 'clock, thunderstorms.7 o 'clock, rain.

It looks great.Oh, by 8 o 'clock, it's only showers.Don't be a pussy.Just showers.Dude.Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it.

Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody.I don't like it.I think the idea was like they wantthe octagon the White House behind it Yeah for image and everything like that.It's gonna be dope the card is sick.It's a fucking amazing card the car I mean It's only seven fights and all of them are bangers from the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez BAM right off the gate It's like Bo nickel and Kyle Dawkins BAM right out the gate.

I mean, it's going to be a sick fucking card.The card's amazing.That does look incredible.That's the lightning catcher that they put over there.Yeah, it's going to be nuts.It's going to be nuts if it happens.

But if it rains like crazy, you know.But I mean everybody will love it if it rains all the people who hate it.

Yeah rain on those mega fucks Country man, I know it's a very divided time.

Oh, it's it's nuts.Yeah, but Like I said, my concern is for the athletes Fighters career is very short a loss is devastating and to not have perfect conditions to fight in I think it's crazy Yeah, but it's also gonna be sick It's like being there is going to be nuts and maybe it's worth it.I don't know.We'll find out.

Well, you got to hand it to Dana for going big.Like he always does.I mean, you know, they, he was at the sphere in Vegas, right?It's like, wasn't that was out of the box, but it was amazing.

Yeah, that was sick.That was a one -time only thing that was so much money, but this is a one -time only thing supposedly too, but apparently Trump doesn't want to take the Octagon down.He wants to leave it up.I don't know, man. I think it'd be great.Have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple of weeks.That'd be the next gimmick.

I mean, why not?Fuck it.The whole thing's chaos anyway.

It's a crazy time.

I mean, what, Biden could have a giant F -15.flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out remember that Like they had big pride day.They a big pride flag in front of the White House.I'll take I'll take this over that It's like all of it is silly.Yeah, it's also that should have nothing to do with the White House This should have nothing to do with the White House, right?But you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now, right?

I saw that.People are trying to sue to keep the UFC out of the way.They'll probably lose.Yeah.I don't, I'm not a lawyer.I don't know, but I would imagine they're not going to win.

I'm a, I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan.You know, Dana White is like an icon.I love all the fighters.I just love everything about it.It's, uh, I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes.But, uh, but on this one, I kind of get it.

And, um, Yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping this opportunity.

No, it's like the whole world's gonna watch It's gonna be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history.

Mm -hmm.

I mean It's on Paramount.So it'll be on CBS as well, right?I don't know probably built is it on CBS?Yeah So it's on CBS as well.So it'll be available to everybody.And then all the haters are going to watch it too.

Oh, for sure.They're going to want to talk shit.So it'll probably be covered on CNN what a disaster it was.They've already talked a lot about how I'm not into it.But I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into.I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it.

I'll be respectful.You know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC and it's always an honor to work for them and I love it But I don't like it, but I'll still yeah when I'm there.I'm like, oh, this is sick Oh, maybe after it's over like they were right or maybe it'll be like I fucking rained.It was what a shit show Yeah, it was lightning that canceled the fights was a huge disaster for CBS.

It's a disastersports.It's like you never know.

I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the canopy, now I'm in.

Yeah, that's like Apex style.

Now I like it.Now I like it.No crowd, just us, just me, DC, and Anik.

That'd be pretty fun.

Now I like it.Now I like it.And we're protected by the rain, but everybody else isn't, so they all have to leave.Yeah, because I think it's gonna be also a lot of like look at me People are gonna dress up nice for it and like cuz they know they're gonna be on television Oh, yeah, and it's you know, I get it, but I it's really for me.It's about the fights Yes, there's gigantic fights on that car the Justin Gaethje Ilya to Porya fight.I am very interested in that fight I'm very interested in that fight.

I really wish it was like at the T -Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever, but Who cares?That's a fight I have a lot of questions about.I need to see that fight happen.

I mean, Justin's quite a bit bigger, but Ilya is so skilled.

Bro, he is. I watched a whole, I watched his entire career last night.So there was a, the UFC put out a video about Ilya saying, is Ilya Taporia the goat?And it goes from his first fight in the UFC, to his last victory, and you watch every single fight of his career, and you watch him get better over time, and, you know, it gets...Deeper into his career, and then you you see his last three fights, and you're like good lord.Yeah He was awesome when he first entered the UFC, but he just kept getting better So the use of salal fights the first fight that goes to a decision you know and and then You you watch the progression he starts ko and people his last three ko is over the biggest stars There's some of the greatest of all time max.Yeah

who Charlotte Vera?

Yeah Charles Olivera one of the greatest of all times Max Holloway one of the greatest of all times and then Alexander Volkanovski The greatest featherweight of all time.Yeah, like fucking crazy knocked him out knocked all three of them out How that's one of the greatest resumes of all time CBS won't air UFC White House event viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch what happened?Does they back out of it?Oh, they were not televised it that means you I wonder if like paramount white decided Cited the plan to tell America's story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved What?The plan to tell America's story, what does that mean?We don't want to talk about America's story on CBS?

No, because there's only X number of fights and it starts from the first one, White said.We start at the beginning of time and like the Mexican Independence Day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last.So no, they'll all be on Paramount.It's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallpox.And then you're going to see all the Indians die.And then we're going to go, Oh, look at all these Buffalo because there's no one there to kill them.

And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other.It should be fun.

Yeah.It's going to be a good story.

It's going to be a very accurate story of how the United States started.It'll start from back when we fucked up Mexico and like, what was that?1861 to get Texas.No.What year did they know?It was like 1821.

Wasn't it like that that Mexico owned, Texas?We'll start from the beginning.We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks Yeah, people love it, why would you want to be good it'd be great it yeah, it's a

I don't know it's it's gonna be a spectacle for sure.I'll be tuning in Yeah, but I'll be there.Yeah, it's gonna be you're at the White House all the time now.

I've been there a couple times Yeah, it's weird.It's very weird.It's also very weird because as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks and I My experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately.Unfortunately for everybody else.If he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around.This is a lot of fun shit.

The fucking man loves America.He genuinely does.He really does.He wants to make the White House look better.He wants to build this ballroom.He has good intentions in terms of America.

There is not a single fucking person that's ever taken the job of the President of the United States that's loved by everybody.But the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for.And that's what people are upset about.The war specifically.

We voted for protecting the border.

And they did that.

Yeah.American manufacturing, protecting America's interests, like with trade, with just protecting people's jobs, so we have a way to work and provide for our family.America first, that was what, that sounded good to me.And it feels like this isn't any of that.Like, It feels like even his administration at first, I was just like, oh, fuck, these are some, this is good.But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're fucking gone.

Well, it's that for sure.And then it's also.you know, the amount of political pressure, you know, you have to make deals, right?So you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there, and then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that, and the military is trying to squeeze this.And there's a lot of compromises that have to be made.And that's where things get dark.

Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that.Like, I've had long conversations with RFK.And That guy's in struggle all day.It's a battle all day.It's dealing with all these pressures.And look, they've made a lot of headway.

They've made a lot of headway with peptides.They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to.They lost with glyphosate.That was a big one, man.Glyphosate was a big one.I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's going to talk about it soon.

The people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue, we don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume glyphosate -ridden products have.We don't know how much it's affecting you.What is it taking away from your immune system?body processing this fucking toxic herbicide that's in your system versus, I mean, how much of that is contributing to people's health problems?There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy shit is, that people are just reacting to bromate and pesticides and herbicides.

But what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyphosate, basically, with all the agriculture there, and then that's like the hotbed for cancer?Yeah, I mean, yeah, you don't have to look very far to see that connection.

No, you don't know.Well, you know, that was also back in the day when people were when people talk about the polio epidemic, you keeptalk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the fucking country, because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction, the body has the exact same reaction as polo, as paralytic polo, polio, polo, polio, the disease.There's this woman who wrote a great book on it, Suzanne Humphreys is called Dissolving Illusions and it's all about that and all about like First of all, they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing and people were getting I remember seeing kids like running through it But it wasn't just people that were getting polio.This is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio Animals were getting polio Like, animals were getting polio, but they don't get polio.It doesn't spread to animals.

But horses and fucking cows were getting paralyzed.They were getting the same symptoms.Because it's fucking DDT poisoning.And here's the craziest one.What percentage of polio is asymptomatic?I mean, you get it, and you have no symptoms.

I don't know.95 to 99 percent.Really?

Yeah.So people have it.It's DDT.

It's DDT.I mean, look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get fucked up and die.Of course, polio's bad.Thousands of people die every year from the flu.Flu's bad, right?Okay, but you know what else is bad?

DDT.And you know what else was going on when everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic?Fucking spraying DDT everywhere.And most people are ignorant to it.And you bring it up, they call you a conspiracy theorist, but it's fucking fact.It's undeniable.

you know, the controlling the weather.I was like, that's conspiracy.But then I started seeing the planes like laying in the fucking clouds out.Have you seenhave you seen it?

Yes, and no Okay, so I actually did a show on this you did.Yes.I did it not an episode the podcast I did an episode of Joe Rogan questions everything know that show that I used to do.Yeah We did a whole episode on chemtrails and one of the things we felt first of all is The reason why it looks like that, this is just a fact, the reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere, you have a hot jet engine, it's passing through this cool air, and the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds.

Those clouds are real, it's artificial clouds.

Also, they spray shit in the air.Two things are happening at the same time.

You see the normal planes, you see the normal jet stream, you're like, okay, checks out.Then you see the other ones, and it's a different jet stream.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter.The condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent.

Just like clouds are inconsistent.We watched them the other day make laps.

Yeah, but it might not be the same plane.It might just be a route.Right.You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back.

No, no.

Right.

But you're watching consistent plane travel routes.

That's why it looks like that.But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere.Dude, I'm telling you, listen, those planes, if you look at a Southwest flight, they're not spraying.OK, but Some planes spray shit.Yeah, and there are some weather modification experiments.They do that are completely top -secret They don't let anybody know about it.

They do cloud seeding.They cause floods right what happened with fucking Dubai, right?We see that Dubai shit where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway.Yeah, that is people fucking with the best environment That's what I thought was conspiracy before, which I don't know.No, it's real.Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week.

Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding.And because they're rich, they're like, fuck it, make it rain.make it rain.There's there's real weather modification now That's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental shit like some of the shit that like Bill Gates was talking about like spraying Reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the Sun like hey fuck face Yeah, who are you to make a decision for the whole world to rule the world?You didn't even graduate college shut the fuck up This is crazy and also the unintended consequences of any action that has never been taken before like Cooling off the fucking planet.What if this dipshit starts the next ice age and everybody fucking dies, right?

I know I mean get the fuck out of the air leave us alone.Stop playing God You don't know what you're doing.

And also do you have any money invested in any of these projects attached to this for sure this you know, I We talk about all this stuff, you know, I didn't want to say this.So for public land, I want to say this part of my notes, call your senators, say you want the roadless rule kept intact, say we don't want to get rid of of the 45 million acres that that are going to be protected with the roadless rule.But to call your senators is 202 -224 -3121.Say you want the roadless rules kept intact.And we have to let our voices heard.Our voice was heard on the Snot One Acre.

We won that one.We have to do it again.You have to call your senators and just voice your concerns.

It's a slippery slope.You can't let them have any ground.

Here's what this thing was really pissed me off because as I said the administration at first I thought okay We got some we got some good pipe hitters in there It feels like they do what Trump says if they don't they're gone.They're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed They're out of thereYou can see the writing on the wall like I don't I was I wanted Tulsi to get in there and kick ass because I knew how she felt about the war in Iran and and like that would a How detrimental that would be so I was like I I believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there, but it feels like people are It's like, if you stand up for something, you're gone.And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there, who just two days ago for this road, road, this rule, he unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the public land, right?Just 31 laws.He just said, yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to.

They awarded a $1 .7 billion contract to build a wall in Texas, that Big Bend National Park, $1 .7 million.Billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bend National Park here It's like how the public doesn't want that.We don't want a fucking wall for they're saying for border protection And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the fucking park So, what do you think that wall is really for?I don't know fucking up National National Park one of the most pristine places in Texas I don't know what the goal is But have you read into it though?

Is there any arguments pro and con that the walls?

I'm sure there is I'm sure it's for border protection.

I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up Yeah, let's see if there's is there like there was a lot of public input on it again, right?That's a problem.And the problem is, again, they can come up with reasons why, you know, they have to make some new laws because, well, we got to protect people.

Yeah.

And that's how the slippery slope began.

It was a COVID, like, you know, safe and effective, protect your communities.It's like, do this for safety.Well, it's the same thing.

Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Bend National Park.So what does it say what the argument for it is?According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of U .S.Mexico border.So it's a border wall.

Yeah.from near the Closed Canyon Trail in Big Bend Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Bend National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County.In the notice, Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullen wrote, the administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border.While U .S.Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30 -foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the agency's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks as part of a project dubbed Big Bend 4.

So this is like not listening to the experts again.Six former superintendents of Big Bend National Park penned a letter to Mullen urging him not to take such a step.So again, not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the fuck they want.Doesn't matter what the public or the expert thinks they're going to do it.Award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for $1 .7 billion with no bid.It's like, how is this okay?

Yeah, it's very, I don't understand it.

Is there a lot of crossings in there?No, there's not.That's the thing.They have where all the crossings happen.There's like this tiniest percentage in that park.

Because it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well, right?So it'd be very difficult to get through that way.And also, if you're going to get through that way, like, good Lord.Right.You're going into, like, tough country.

Yeah.And, you know, that's, that's good elk country down there.I know people who hunt.

West Texas.

Good bulls.Yeah.Yeah.So it's like, I just, I don't know.So if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend, they don't want construction down there.And especially if we voted on it, fine.

If there was a reason, fine.But it was never voted on.

Yeah, it says the horrific plans are in front to the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend.Lakin Jordle, an advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity, said in a statement, politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place.

Yep.

Yeah.

And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before.

Trump has never walked on dirt, he plays golf.Has to have walked on dirt.

Grass, baby.Grass and sand.

Not on his course.

But the point is, it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land, they don't give a fuck about this.

No, they don't give a fucking, they're not going to see it and they never would see it.But there as well, same spot.Yeah.They have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there, and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border, like, who's getting the contract?Yeah.

And just to award that with no bid, it's just not, that's not, I was a public buyer.That's not how it works.You're spending public money.You can't just spend public money without a bid.

Right.

I mean, but they bypass all this shit that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money, and they bypass it all.And then you know who suffers here?It's the people who don't havelike some people they go to the park for mental health.They want to go camp They want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name, but they're in appreciating nature That's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like I got to get out of this Shithole city and go recharge, right?Yeah, so for people who don't appreciate that or care about that that's that's That's wasted land.

It's like, we could have a shopping mall.We could have investors doing this.We could make this work.Because right now they would say that, well, not everybody can take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things.So we want to make it more accessible so more people can enjoy it.No.

Yeah, that's that's not how it works.

You're gonna fuck it up.Yeah, you can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the fucking woods There's there's your yeah, there's your contract spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP -White House ties.Construction contracts, including $2 .6 billion awarded this week, are being awarded at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall.

Yeah, see that streamlined process?That was bypassing 31 laws.

So what's there now?Like, what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area?Is it just land?Like you just walk right across?

It's probably the river.

What is it?What is the border?Can we find that out, Jamie?Does it say?Okay, let's just look at the map.Okay, yeah.

Let's see what the map looks like.So that's where it is.So, is that the river that blocks it?

Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border, technically.

Right.There's certain parts of the river.I mean, look at that picture.But it's not that hard to get across that river.Look at that one.

Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there to cross.

That's crazy.Look how beautiful that is.

It's amazing.God, that's so beautiful.No, they're not going there to cross.

Where is the most border crossings?Well, for a while, it was like where they had that road where they were just letting people through.

Most border crossings are actually in Arizona.

Really?

Yeah, I'm almost positive.So I'm sure Jamie's going to find it here.

I'm asking it how many happened through Big Bend National Park?

Yeah.Yeah.Fucking one.

30.Gonna stop them.84 billion dollars.

Yeah.It's just like, I don't know, just stuff like this.So what happens is like, you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein files, and then they do shit like this.

Okay, the only official border crossing inside Big Ben National Park is the Boquillas Port of Entry, and it sees on the order of about 10 ,000 legal crossings by visitors per year, plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the U .S.-Mexico border.What exists in Big Ben?Big Ben National Park shares about 118 miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grande.The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boquillas Crossing, small pedestrian only crossing to the Boquillas, Del Carmen, Mexico.

National Park Service information and travel videos describe Boquillas as handling roughly 10 ,000 visitor crossings per year.

Yeah, those are mostly all legal.

So 734.Border patrol sector sees only a fraction of total Southwest border crossings.One report cited 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27 ,000 along the entire US -Mexico border in a given period.And like, what year was that?Where it was 734?Was that before they shut down the border?

It was really crazy how many people came in the country.Oh, I know.

over four years, it's north of 10 million, and I've talked to people that think it's 20.It doesn't say.

Wow.And it just shows those out of the 27 ,000, but doesn't say they're illegal.

So it's not a hotspot of crossing.

The last slide there said, it says a smallest fraction is illegal.Of that 734, those were like total crossings in that area.A smallest fraction was illegal.So it's no, it's not.It's BS.

Right.It's BS.And they're just going to do it because they've got a nice contract.I want a wall, a beautiful wall.

Yeah, but why?

Giant wall.

In a national park?

No.The Washington Post reported last week the skyrocketing border wall contracts, now totally more than $19 .4 billion in the last six months, have mostly gone to Bernard and Fisher.That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would -be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities.

Yeah, that's illegal.I mean, but that's what they're doing.

Yeah.

Boy, no, no and so but but as I was saying they distract us with all this other stuff and push through shit like this Like who knows what a Senate what the Senate or House is voting on on a fucking Tuesday?Well, it was this public land thing, you know, just add it in in the middle of the night.We have no no say in itit we're distracted with all this fights at the ufc with israel doing whatever the fuck they're doing and it's just like oh we just lost all this public land too and it's like it's it's impossible to keep up on that's what's frustrating you know it's not frustrating just bear me it's pretty fucking good yeah that's that's that's a man that's legit So what can be done?

This bill hasn't passed, right?

No, now it's going to go to the Senate.So it was in the House.Then here's the problem.Originally, this roadless rule was bipartisan.Everybody agreed, let's protect this.Mike Lee adding this language in there.

Now it's turned, now there's lines in the sand.And nine Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to allow this, the roadless rule, to be in there.So now it goes to the full Senate.Now they're going to need whatever the percentage is, I think 60 % of a full Senate vote for it to pass.So we'll see.

So now the scumbag lobbyists get involved, and they start pressuring people and help out.You do this, and I'll do that, and help me here, and I'll help you there.

When they get overwhelmed because of switchboards, if people call that 202 number, like I said, then that makes it to everybody.What's that number again?202 -224 -3421.Say you want to keep the roadless rule intact.You don't want to sell off public lands.This is all BS.

They do this and yeah, the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like, what happened with the big beautiful bill is this part was in there and Trump wanted it in there, but it was causing such a friction.He was just like,I want my big, beautiful bill passed.These guys are fucking it up with this public land stuff.Pull that out.Let's get this through.

So they did.They pulled out this, we saved the public land.Who knows what we lost that, that was also attached.But anyway, we saved public land at that time.They were going to, for affordable housing, same thing has to happen here.He's got this language added into the shit that we're already working on that changes You know, we've had we've had this in place for decades and and it's worked right so we have to say no We're not down with this and they have to pull it out again.

Well, I hope we can get it through We'll push it.You got it up on social media where people can yeah, I will Cameron Haynes.

Yeah, I will for sure but uh, it's like You know, it's this is so important because it's so important to people without a voice.So it's like I feel sometimes like How did I get in this position?I know you do too, like where you're at the White House.You're just like, how the fuck could somebody like me earn this opportunity, right?You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring.And now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you.

That gives you a platform.You've the most powerful voice probably in the world at sometimes.And so you get invited to the White House and I know, Like for me, I know they've used me there before.Like, yeah, I created value in myself.They invited me there for Veterans Day.And I said, no, I'm not going because I don't fucking agree with This war in Iran.

I don't agree with all this shit.I don't want to go and have a picture in the fucking White House.So people could be like see see you you fucking you're part of this you you know, because we did we thought that Trump was the best option at the last election.I did.I've 100 % believed he was better.

The thing is, he might still have been the best option.

He might be.But and that's fine.

We don't know what would have happened if the Kamala Harris administration had been a continuation of the Biden administration.

I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions.I didn't want that.I didn't want you know, this celebration of transgenderism.I have no problem with transgenders or crossdressers or I have no problem or gay or anything like that.I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth.That's it.

I don't want youth getting Surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now.I don't I didn't want any of that So, of course, I'm gonna vote for Trump right now.I don't like any of this shit So I have that my right is to say no I'm not down with this and I'm not going to the fuck I'm not gonna be in your picture at the fucking White House So you can use it and all the people who listen to me would be like, oh fuck So they wanted you to go for was veterans day and what was the premise of having you there?

I don't know But you're not a veteran.So what was the promise?

It's only because I have a big platform.

So they're going to celebrate Veterans Day at the White House and they just said, let's get some famous people.

Probably.I mean, it's, it's, you know, remember the Epstein files where all the influencers had the binder?

Well, it was Pam Bondi.

Yeah.But, and there was, uh, but there's, there was a few other influencers, but they use, they, they, you, they can use people like us for their messaging.And then they invited me back again.After now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care and it's like I don't have to agree with Fucking lockstep with the person I voted for that's our right as citizens to be like I voted for that But I don't agree with this and I'm not happy about this and I'm and I want you to know that's that's our right as voters They invite you back again.This was back.It was for a public land thing and I'm like, yeah, I'm down for it, but I

just know I had this this kid on Benji Backer.He's like, has this this page is nonpartisan, something for outdoors.But I did this show with him.And there was, you know, bringing different people in to debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places.But it's still important to us.I did the show with him.

Well, He went, I had him on the podcast.He talked about his, how he's working hard to protect public land.He went back and Trump signed an executive order, something about public land.And all it was, was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order.Nothing has happened to it.Nothing has happened with it.

No actions been taken.It was like, all it was, was a, Just they can make a press clipping out of it theater a theater and nothing's gonna change nothing changes.Nothing's protected So that's what I feel like a lot of these times if I get invited there It's for that is to is to make my base if I have a base I don't have I'm not a politician but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on And I understand that's how it works.You want powerful people on your side, right?I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a pretty big following.I just I just, I went back there because it was a huge honor, like the few times that I've been back there and it's amazing.

And it's like being in the White House, somebody like me should never be there, but I've created value in my name in some ways that I get that opportunity.But that opportunity comes with a price.So now I have to think about, am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this.And now there's too much for me that I'm not happy with that I can't ignore it personally.So I feel like they use opportunities like that for press.

Well, it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie.And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want.

What about the military drones?Those contracts, when this war started?You can look into who made money on that one.Who made money on that one?Should we look it up, Jamie?Drone military contract?

Let's see who made money.I don't want to say.

But you know, huh?Okay.Well, I don't know.So I'm going to be surprised.

Yeah.So maybe, maybe not, but like when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense.Of course.When you follow it does, when you follow APAC, you're like, why is this politician always pushing this shit?Where do they get their money?Oh, I know this guy back home.

He's running for like this local politician thing.His name's Adam.He's like, He goes, Don Jr.What?What, Jamie?What did you find?

Wait a minute.

What did you?

Are you?This has got to be a mistake.Eric and Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran war.Jamie, where'd you find this?That seems like propaganda from Iran or something.

Is that a cartoon?Iran's cartoon propaganda again?No, but so anyway you start I was talking about this local guy back home, and he said that he goes I need to call Israel.He goes, it is so hard to get money for like to run as a, in whatever, it's just a local election.But you go to a business, they say, yeah, here, I got $18 I can contribute, right?Where, so you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting.

It's like, wait, what's this AIPAC thing?Why did they get millions?Oh, then you started wondering how they're voting on things.You're like, just making a lot more sense.It's like, where's the money coming from?

Yeah, they have to take all that out of politics.I don't know how you could at this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in, or from other foreign countries to get this person in, or from lobbies to get this person in.And you're like, wait, why?That's not serving us.And how do you stop that?Okay, here's a big question.

When did money Officially become a problem in politics.

I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was 2012.What thing is that Citizens United Citizens United?

Yeah, that was 2012 think so that changed it a lot, but it was always the problem before that and there was always been like when did corporations become a real problem and When did AIPAC become a problem?When did AIPAC form and when did they start donating to American politicians?First of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to a foreign government, should have any influence whatsoever on American politics.

I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel.

That is crazy.I've heard people say that too.2022.

2022.They not directly start donating to U .S.political candidates until 2022.Fucking Jesus.

So if I don't - I mean, if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel, his first election, and now he just gave an award.somebody.You can see who he just gave an award to.He gave an award?

What kind?One of them big ones?One of them nice ones where they put them around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office?

Yep.Who contributed to - Looking like he just won the Olympics?Who contributed $250 million to his last election.Oh.So do you want an award?

That's how much you got to pay for an award?

I'm good.

I don't really want an award.I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway.

To me, that is so you said like if 2022, I would imagine AIPAC would is around.I would.I didn't know that, actually.But when I look at like, if you look at Thomas Massey, he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason.Right.He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to.

And he did.He did lose.

Yeah.So here's the thing.We'll get to that in a second.Here's the thing.Citizens United decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in U .S.

politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency.And so this was what year, Jeremy?

I want to say it was 2012, 2011, 2010.

2010.So 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted.Yeah, tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations.

That's when we got fucked.Yeah.I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way.That was Obama.

See that second bullet point?Supercharged PACs, which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts.So that's how they control the elections right there.

And that was the Obama administration.

Dark money.

dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded.Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns.So we need to just fucking tune the Wayback Machine to 2009.But even then, 2009 is after thebailed out the fucking banks.

Yeah.

15 years later, Citizens United defined the 2024 election.Yeah, there it is.Yeah, fucked.It's a slippery slope.

Yeah.So I don't that's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of her time on the court.

Whoa.Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disproval of the ruling, with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it.Citizens United reshaped political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire -funded super PACs a central role in U .S.elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics.And yet it may only be now, in the aftermath of the 2024 election, we can begin to understand the full impact of the decision.

And it's perfect, too, because Citizens United.So this is like the language they use to dupe us.Like, oh, Citizens United.

We're together.

This is good, right?Just like the Patriot Act.Yeah.Or like in Oregon, that hunting thing.It's called the Peace Act.

Oh, yeah.Talk about that, because that one's bonkers.

Yeah.So this is nuts.So this is same thing.It's just follow the money.If you want to know why we're so fucked up, follow the money.So the IP 28, this is a crazy thing.

They want to, here's, here's where I'll just explain Oregon real quick.Oregon is like a Petri dish for these crazy ideas for these political ideas.Like if you think of legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon, like heroin, meth, you can have that.It's fine.It's whatever.

I think they turned that back.

Right.But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon.

Yeah, it didn't work out so well.

Right.Now, this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon because it's very we got a huge liberal population in Portland and Eugene and so on.

Not just liberals, retards.

Yeah, they're more than just, because I'm friends with liberals for sure.

They're gone.They're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left.They're full on communists, socialists, no meat, everyone should be a vegan.They want everybody to get bitten by that tick.

Yeah, I mean so much talk about that too.

We'll get to that in a minute But um so the law the new thing the bill they're trying to pass between ban first of all Was it was it the may who was it the governor of Washington?Which which governor was it Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a fucking license to paddleboard Oh probably Washington I would say fucking imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe.

Yeah.

Well, you have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a fucking canoe.

They also made it like during COVID, like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake.I think he got a ticket.

A guy got arrested when he was surfing by himself in California.So you're going to get sick out there in the middle of the ocean surfing.

It's just silly.But this IP -28, they bill it as, you know, so they'll do the saying, like, go out to get these votes.They needed 117 ,000 votes to get this on the ballot.So to get 117 ,000 people to sign your petition, Basically, all I said was stop animal cruelty.

All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter.

Just say, hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty?

Right.

Okay.Yeah.I love animals.Well, I love animals too.Oh, he signed this.So they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals.

Like backyard chickens.You can't raise backyard chickens.

Ranchers.Ranchers.Just like, even ranchers who sell beef.You can't do it.They're making it like, even the breeding of animals, like we breed cows, we breed horses, there's stud fees, there's different things that makes better race, like race horses, but there's also better product for beef, right?So we control like, when a cow goes into heat, when it gets bred, things like that.

That's part of like being a rancher.Well, they want to make that like because a cow didn't agree to it.It's like rape.It's like sexual assault.Like you can't control when animals breed.So that takes away ranching.

There is no ranching.Right.So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat illegal.But if people can't raise it, You're buying it from some other state at a higher price to get eliminating ranches in Oregon, Oregon.Yeah.So it's killing a whole industry.

And they could say that, like, even if you if you heard an animal, I don't know what, like, you could get charged with assault.So this is they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog.

Oh.

And the but the thing is chicken for food you go to jail.Yeah.Yeah.I was wondering like if you know how you drive in a car and sometimes a bird flies in front of you.

Right.You get arrested for that.But you're responsible for your vehicle.You killed that squirrel.

So this guy who introduced this.This is the third attempt at doing this.He knows he's not going to get the vote because how it worked to get on the ballot.They take 6 % of the votes cast in the last governor election.So 6 % of the last votes casted.So it's a small number, but it's 117 ,000.

They can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty.Now it goes to the ballot.But he knows this is his third time.He knows this is not going to work.pass.But it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change.

It's all part of this long term process to get hunting and fishing stopped.Right.Because I think, like, in general, the government, they like consumers.They don't like people being too self -sufficient.They like him relying on that.This is another step, like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff, then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you.

Bill Gates owns all this land.You talked about Bill Gates before, him making decisions on shit he doesn't know anything about.He dropped out of college.But did you say he dropped out of college?Yeah.So it's they want to be able to control who's who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is.

You know, it's like it goes back to the whole WC things like you will own nothing and be happy.It's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that to where no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore.We got it.

Right.And they use these nutty progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through.That's all it is.Yeah.And then you'll get a bunch of people that are pushing money packs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them.to push these wacky ideas.

You go, why would they do that?Well, that's why they do that.They do that because they want you dependent on them.

Right.And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight.And this thing won't, won't make it into law for sure, but they'll see where they're at.This'll be like, okay, here's where we're at.Here's what we need to change on our messaging.Here's where the biggest pushback was.

And they adjust.Where Can we do that on the other side?It's like, I know there's farming and ranching organizations, but it's money.It's like, who's giving these people the money?It's usually coming from out of state.And they have more money and they're more organized than people who are working.

because when you're a rancher you're fucking working all the time you don't you can't go get signatures and shit yeah you got work to do these fucking these environmental people that are just crazy like extremists they get paid for doing this so it's like that's how that's their job You know, a rancher has a job and it's very hard.He doesn't have time to go out and knock on doors.

That's the really fucked up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is their job.And that's hard for people to really understand.And until you listen to people like Mike Benz, where he breaks down how NGOs work and how they fund things.The fact that most of these things are a fucking scam.Most non -profits are a fucking scam.Definitely.

And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of non -profit, like, oh, my son works for a non -profit.Oh, he must be a good guy.He's like trying to help.And maybe he is a good guy.Maybe he starts out a good guy.But then you're corrupted by this system that you realize like, oh, no, the non -profit is essentially about supporting the non -profit.

And most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization, the overhead, the structure, all the infrastructure, all the people working there.They all get paid very well.And then a little piece goes to whatever the fuck it is.

The people starting the nonprofit will be like, okay, first I'm going to need this much money.

Exactly.

Oh, you want to be my VP?I can count on you.You're going to make this much money.So that's what happens.And then whatever's left is like, that's their, you know, that they can't write off.That's what they contribute.

Yeah.Um, what did I see this?Oh, this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals.Do you know that non -profit hospitals are the most profitable?

Yeah Yeah, for sure.They can just hide that money.They charge crazy amounts.

How crazy is that?Non -profit are the most profitable.So this whole idea is it's all just bullshit Most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the Bill Gates stuff.Yeah, there's a great book called Fuck.What is the name of the book?I read this book Controlagarks, and it's all about how a lot of these guys they they Realize that they're having public image problems like particularly Bill Gates like during the antitrust lawsuits with Microsoft Yeah, then he pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all about philanthropy, but they're philanthrocapitalists all the different Philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable like he made five hundred million dollars Allegedly off the kovat vaccine off of his investments in this vaccine.

It didn't even fucking work.

Well, yeah, I think Trump got paid paid with that too, but it's like Yeah, it's it, you know the money thing I don't know the citizens or regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for the yeah It's it's dark and so here it is.

Put you put your headsets on real quick.

Listen this this guy talked about Congressman recently described some non -profit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds.

of our hospitals are nonprofits.But the hospital world doesn't feel very non -profit -y.And then I read this article by Scott Hodge in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed.And it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in 2023, so three years ago, was $1 .3 trillion.And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money.In fact, three years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making $45 billion worth of profit.

And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money.In fact, in 2021, we gave them $38 billion, $11 .5 billion of it because they don't have to pay any taxes.And that was five years ago.So this is probably more like 60 billion now.And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity.But there was a study that looked at almost 1 ,500 nonprofit hospitals and found that 86 % of them provided little or no charity.

And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance.It's either private health insurance or insurance from the government.Only 3 % of people don't have health insurance and it's not like the hospitals give them a deal.Turns out that the government was checking this out around 2009.The hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed.So now it's kind of the honor system.

So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the nonprofit hospitals making profits?Turns out it goes to executives like these CEOs who are getting paid about four and a half million dollars a year.Meanwhile, their nurses make about 70 K. Four and a half million a year here.Apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from nonprofit hospitals.And here's a guy, Robert, at a hospital in New York who paid himself $15 .3 million a year.Nonprofit hospital.

And there are really good nonprofit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve low -income families and people in need, like St. Jude or like the Shriners.But it looks like about 86 % of these nonprofit hospitals get $50 or $60 billion from U .S.taxpayers like you and me. because they're supposed to do some form of charity but they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity and some of their CEOs are making 15 .3 million dollars a year while we subsidize them.with like $50 billion.Do you think this is right?

I saw this.

Okay.So this is P Davis Jones on Instagram.Motherfuckers.So it's like, it's again, it's just like the UFO thing.Yep.It's there's distractions.

There's so much.to pay attention to.There's so much fucking fraud, and there's so much chaos.This is what Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff.He's like, it's impossible to describe the amount of fraud.He's like, it's insane.

That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he went to investigate the daycares, and also found in California with hospice care centers.There's entire Motels where every room was supposed to be an office for some fucking nonprofit and they're all just siphoning money So it's madness.

So that's like that's what it makes money regular people like me like What's the answer?It's like what's the point to all this alien?Meanwhile, I'm I'm paying out my ass and taxes for shit like this.I Yeah, and or for war.

It's like yeah, all of its gross.Yeah, every single.Yeah.I mean, what we're gonna have to have is some sort of like radical transparency, where all this stuff gets exposed, and gets exposed, like probably with some AI program.And no one's going to want to turn that on.Right.

They're never going to want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much fucking terrible management they've done with our money.Oh, like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once.No, not one.

No zero.And you look at, you don't pass an audit.

You're going to jail for sure.Yeah.

Yeah, how much we're in debt all the shenanigans they do with the public money.

It's just like that's over exaggerated.We're only in debt $39 trillion.That's not a big deal.

Isn't that crazy?

The thing is, they could just print 39 trillion and it's done.

Yeah, pay it off.

The reason why they don't is because they have really good control.God.You're doing a great job.

One thing on this hunting thing, I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and how it's like they've done a good job in Colorado, like fighting this.This has like been, we've won a few things there.

Have they tried the same thing with Oregon and Colorado?The same kind of thing?

Well, no.What Dan is doing, he's he's got out there initiative 302, and it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado constitutional right.Okay, so hopefully that you know how these, just like this, this lobbyist and this IP 28, they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future.Well, if Dan is successful with this initiative 302 passing, that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing.Because if you can go through there, this is like the litmus test for it, then okay, Maybe we can do this in other states also.So this is a big one coming up.

They're working on right now.But I mean, we have to we just have to get more savvy politically to When they're doing shit like this, we have to be more in tune and educated on it.

God, it's such a bummer, though, because the people that I know, like Mike Benz, that do this all day, I do not envy them.Terrible.I mean, Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing, and they last for hours.Who's going to go through them all?

And he's exposing all these different companies.Be nice, be positive.

We didn't do any of that.

How do you talk about this?It's hard.In a nice and positive way.

It's very, very, very difficult.Very, especially because these are real problems.

Last on my list.Well, I don't know what's up on the list, but, oh, I do want to talk about the Spokane.I want to shout out Ryan Callahan from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers.You know, Cal.

Sure, sure.

Great guy.Bus has asked for this shit.Martin Heinrich.which is he's a senator there in New Mexico.He's I think he's a Democrat.I don't give a shit about Democrat, Republican.

whoever, he just fights for public lands and he's a badass.And then also Ron Wyden there in Oregon, who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on because, you know, it's just different, but he is, he does get, I want to, I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public land sell off and Mike Lee and this energy resource committee, which is, you know, they're beholden to a different set of values.Usually it's money related and these guys are, you know, kind of fighting for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains.

So there you're being positive.

Yeah, I just wanted to tell those guys are doing great.But I was gonna bring this up.This is like, the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is feels like a lot for me, which I don't like.But I my point on it is, I feel like...

Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that.So you won the Oregon Marathon in your age category.

Yeah.

And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC 157, which is a banned substance.So you would take, for people that don't know, as ridiculous as this sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago, you broke your foot like two years ago, and you never got it fixed, so all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken foot, and you went to Ways to Well, they treated your foot with stem cells, and they injected BPC -157 into your foot to help your foot heal.Is it healed now?Is the bone fused up?What did it do?It just grew back?

Yeah, finally.It took a while because I didn't stop running.What does it look like now?

on an x -ray?

It was a big break, a pretty wide break, which is why the surgeon didn't know if the bone was going to be able to make it across because I kept moving it.And he told me, he's like, you know, with this, this is, I just had the same surgery done on my thumb where the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right?So your ligaments and tendons are very strong.The bone fractures.So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone.So they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from, because bone -on -bone healing is much better than ligament -to -bone.

It's quicker, right?So we need a piece of that bone.Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece that broke off was, so there's a chance that it wouldn't reattach through surgery, which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it.It's called a Jones fracture.It's on the outside of my foot.hope it connected, but that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it's supposed, by design.

So it probably changed the function of your foot.

It would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot, and I run, I have a good stride, I run well.And he said, there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should, or that, you know, you'd need another surgery if this doesn't work, and then another one to get the hardware out.So I'm just like, I really don't want to do two or three surgeries.Let's see if we can try other treatments, less invasive.If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal?And it has.

So I was like, very interested in not getting the surgery based on, you know, he's a renowned surgeon.He does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team.He's a stud, trust, total trust.trust him, but I heard what are you saying about like hey?There's no guarantee.This is gonna work perfect, and I took that to heart So when did you have the injury how long ago it was June 16th of 2024 okay?

Yeah, quite a long time ago, right so basically a solid two years Yeah, so I went in and I dealt with it for I mean it hurt for a long time I just didn't want to stop living you know and I'm like okay if it's just pain I have a very high pain tolerance, I don't care, I'm gonna block that out and just do what I do.So I did, I did everything.I did all my hunts, I did races, and it was terrible.But I made it, I made it through and my foot's healed.So broke it in June, went into Waze 12 I think in July, went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it, and when they put in the BPC there, that one time in November.That was a thing.

And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene marathon time for me. I'm healthier than now that I've ever been.I've retired.I've done more specific training.All these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right?Like almost like Lance Armstrong.

Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti -hunting way.So he's got that.And you're also, your time, your running time, is he 18 years younger than you?

Yes.

And your running time is very similar to his.

His last marathon, yeah.

Yeah.And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won in your age class, is quicker than last year's by quite a bit.

Yeah.

What people don't understand is last year, your fucking foot was broken.

I didn't run last year because I was hurt.So it was quicker than like the year before.

Right.Was your foot broken then?

No.

No.Okay.So your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot.

Yeah.

That's amazing.But how much quicker?10 minutes?

My very best time was in 2006.Me and Lance Armstrong.We did the New York Marathon.I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250 like 21 in New York I ran 250 quite a few times like Boston with when I ran with last in 2008 I did run 250 again, and that's when we finished together I And, you know, Truett and I were talking about this, too, just the other day, because Truett, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a 216.So we were talking about this, and it's just my training, and even his training, because I'm not a coach, and I don't know, I just run to get in shape for bowhunting.Okay, I don't, I'm not a pro.

But And I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either.So he hired a real coach.And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from.I mean, I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast, and we did a really fast run.We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done, a mile seven of an eight -mile run.And then he said, okay, his name's Jack Siddell.

He's like an amazing athlete, has 1 ,400 followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing, talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible.So he won it.I ran with him just the other day, and he said, oh, I need to do eight 100 -meter strides, which is essentially sprinting.After we ran super hard eight miles, climbed3000, 3000 or 2000 foot mountain and did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics, right?So the stimulus is what I've never done before.

I've never got on the track and did it.All I ever did was just go run.I just run.So what I do is like, how do I move this needle in the right direction and positive way, I got to put in work, how I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile, some days, 20 miles a day, because I felt like that was a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which is bow hunting related, not not racing related.Well, with Truett taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach, and like, hey, dad, you need to do this type of stuff.You know, you get on the track.

You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body.I had never done any of that.I had never got enough sleep.I would sleep, you know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at Start at 2 45 a .m.And I did and sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight.

I didn't care about sleep You'd have met dr. Matthew Walker on here.I'd say fuck that dork.I'm not listening to sleep It's like I don't need sleep.I can still perform look at I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep But I wasn't performing at my best because my I had to overcome my body fatigue so for decades I would work, didn't miss a day of work in 26 years, never called in sick once.Always get my miles in, always get my work done.I was leading the crews.

People relied on me to be a good leader.I had to be there.I'd still put in this work.I would not get any sleep.My body was so depleted.I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could.

Turns out the highest level I could, given those circumstances,was a 250 marathon.All right.So I retired three years ago.Now I'm getting sleep.Now I'm doing sauna.

Cold puns.I spend 2 ,000 bucks a month on massage and body work.And now, With more specific training, like last year, I ran with Truett.He ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene.We went on a run right before that.He said, Dad, I can't keep up with you.

You should be going for the sub 230.He was trying to break 230.He goes, you should be going for the sub 230.You're faster than me.So this was last year, but then I got hurt.So last year, I was going to break this same record.

This year, I've been healthy.I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever.I put up a post and I said, PR or ER?I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room.I'm sending it.So I said, PR or ER?

And I got a PR.I got 239 .11, one of the fastest ever for a 58 year old.And it's like that caused people to pay attention, which I get.It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost 60 years old.But you have to look at the full picture and say, this wasn't some guy who just started running.I've been running since I was five years old.

I'm 58.I was running, pushing myself at five, running further than any other kid in school, winning in awards.That was 53 years ago, okay?I've been doing this a while.I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care.And so this guy said, Oh, have, you know, he's like mad that I was so fast.

He's talked shit about Truett.I don't, and I'm trying to be nice and positive.So I'm not going to say his name.I'm not going to, I understand people who want to protect clean sport.I applaud USADA.I applaud WADA.

I applaud clean sports.I love it.It's, it's, it's required for the Olympic athletes to get their just due.For me, he said, you know, he's talked shit about Truett, which he's already on my radar, because I remember Truett said, Hey, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon because I have no chance of getting the standard.And You know, I said who and he said is that dishonoring the marathon because he was saying like true is so far away from his time That it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal.My my point was he's a runner just like you He has a big dream just like you had why shit on his dream.

Somebody says that this dream they want to do it You're running.

I would be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition.

That doesn't even make sense It that was just words it the words are associated because he's my son.So That's all that mattered to him.But he was on my radar for that.Because Truett told me and I said, who?And I didn't even really know who it was.Looked him up.

I'm just like, yeah, fuck whatever.So anyway, I knew the name.Well, he comes on my page after this and he says something like, he dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there.And it talked about the shit I was taken from.It was like Complete Nutrition, which is like GNC.And it was, you know, if you go to GNC, it's like, you know, Mask Gainer 2000 like everything seems like it's a steroid.

It's over -the -counter.It's not fucking steroids.You can't buy steroids over -the -counter Everything that on that thing that I was doing us sponsored by complete nutrition all over -the -counter supplements.It's like there's no fucking EPO on here It's like what these people try to make it sound like it was just shit that I was lifting weights This is from 15 years ago 2011.It's a it's a blog post.He still has it.

Yeah, it's like like aparading around like a trophy.It's like fucking over the counter, whatever.So he said, I said, are you still talking about that?This is like late at night.I was kind of irritated.

Didn't, doesn't, guy irritates me anyway.So he said, could you pass a, you sought a drug test?And I said, I have no idea.It has nothing to do with me. I don't give a fuck.Probably not, though, because I didn't actually I didn't even know, but I know is very restrictive.And I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show.

We don't talk about the drug test stuff.We're just like we just go running.

Well, what stuff would you take had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test?Like the stuff you're taking now, like what supplements can you not take?Because there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take.Peptides are one of them, right?

Certain peptides.I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know because I just, I had never looked at the list.I tried to with this when this came up.

Well, this is the other thing is a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party, there's contamination of supplements.That's what happened to Sugar Shawn O'Malley, Austerine.It's happened to, you know, a lot of athletes.

With this, most of the stuff that you would buy, like a GNC, probably an Olympian couldn't take.or they'd have to check it out.Because it's like how clean is a lab?How susceptible is to contamination?So a lot of them, they're thinking about this shit every day.It's their whole life.

If they pop hot, their career's over.So it's a huge deal.

I had Jordan Burroughs in here, and he wouldn't even try a Kill Cliff CBD drink.He was like, I don't think I can take this.

Well, I had Cheeto on my show, and I said, hey, you want to try a ketone?He's like, I don't, I don't know.So he called Jeffrey.and he said, could I take this ketone IQ?And Jeff said, well, depends on what batch is approved.So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved.

The other batch might not be approved.So you could fail from that other batch.I didn't know any of that shit, but he called him right, right before we did it.So he didn't take it.It's just like, So there's things like that where it's just it's non -stop.I don't know if I can take this this that I've never been in that position because I'm I just run to bow hunt.

I've never looked at these lists.I've never done anything but a lot of stuff that you know, pseudofed is on there.ADHD medicine is on there.You can't take or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption.So say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption.

That's very interesting.Because you can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance enhancing supplement.Theoretically, I don't know if They'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like if this was real Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had tues Yeah, and they had TRTV tour those those days when guys were taking like large amount right shit And that's actually what stopped the program.I said people started testing like off the fucking charts Yeah, testosterone right they realize like okay.These guys are straight -up juicing.Yeah for sure so But if you're a 60 year old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal.

Yeah.Yeah.And it should be.It's like the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships.You can say, hey, I want to do this.Can you make it sound like this?

Right.

Of course.

And that's gonna be the case.I'm not even I'm not even talking.All I'm saying is like, for and I talked to Olympians about this situation, because I want to make sure I understand it, right?It's like, if, if I'm as a regular citizen, so there's 9000 runners in the gene marathon, are we all going to be held?To the standard of Olympic athletes.That's right.

Are they testing everybody in the Eugene marathon?

They didn't test anybody anybody So there's there's prize money that that's paid out.There's Olympic trials qualifying standards, which are met so now you're in the Olympic trials and And I don't want to shit on the Eugene marathon because these small smaller marathons They don't have the money to be testing 9 ,000 people or probably these tests are expensive.So There's something to, like, if it's a USATF, so United States of America Track and Field Association, if it's one of those events and it's for, like, a world championship or it's for, like, a team position, I get it.And it does need to be for the Eugene Marathon with 9 ,000 people.It's not realistic to say, we're going to drug test everybody.Or if you're taking whatever, you need a therapeutic use exemption, because do you think USADA could review, say, if people are taking three or four different medications times 9 ,000, they don't have the resource to go through all those TUEs, right?

It's not realistic.So there should be, in my opinion, Two categories, you got your regular runners, which I'm in, and you got your elites, which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements.And that's totally fair, and I get that.And it's kind of why I've waded into this and said, I'll be the poster boy for this.I'll admit that I took BPC -157 to try to avoid surgery on my foot.Two years ago.

by the way.Right.Whatever the fallout is is what it is, because this needs to be discussed, because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy, to enjoy something that they love, which is running or competing in races.And everybody, like on the other side, on, you know, say the clean sport side, which I am on that side too, trust me, I want clean sport.But they're like saying that, like my time was so fast, it's almost into this, they talk about this age graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said, age graded, like, so what that I think is what that looks at is like in my prime, if I ran a 239 at age 58, what was my potential when I was in my prime, right?And it would, it's super fast, like, you know, like world, like 210 or 212, which would have won the Olympics back when I was 25, you know what I mean?

So I understand why my time is just like, I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to kind of like this gray area, like, Should he be tested or whatever?But all I'm saying, like, if the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude.I'm I'm all for it.That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken, what I've done and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery.But it's also I'm not hiding.

There's an important point about the sign up thing for the Eugene Marathon.If there's if you're supposed to not take certain supplements, that's supposed to be stated in.in the marathon signup, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And it's not.

Yeah.And I, and I don't, I've never, I hardly look at that.But there's now after all this, I looked at the waivers, because, you know, you saw it has been, they sent me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that I haven't responded to.And they they're trying to do the best they can.But if these waivers say, I looked at the waiver for, I did two races this year, the Eugene Marathon and Cocodona 250, and the waivers mention liability and insurance things.It doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing or any of these requirements.

There's no mention of it.

But it's also what, the thing that doesn't make any sense is, First of all, BPC -157 is not a performance -enhancing substance.It helps heal soft tissue injuries.It's very good for recovery from injuries.That's one issue.The other issue is it was two fucking years ago.There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon.

That is long out of your system.

It's a smokescreen.You know, we've talked about smokescreens here.

What he's doing is basically he's accusing you because you took BPC 157 and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things.

I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, stealing.It's like.

Yeah, but it's all fine.But this is essentially what we were talking about earlier.

Yeah.

We were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful and they built fuck that guy that guy cheats that guy this that guy that Same fucking thing.Yeah, this guy can't appreciate that Here's a guy who was running a fucking marathon a day while working an eight -hour job.I was your friend then Yeah, this is real.I know you did this.I was always telling you to quit your job.Yeah That was the first guy telling you quit that fucking job.

You're killing yourself.I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail.And willpower is really important.Having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass.They will not be able to break through.But will could also get you killed.

you know And it could also ruin your life You could hurt yourself to the point, you know You hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover it never comes back like you have to there's like a fine line between mental toughness and and just Being able to see the big picture and go it's actually smart to not be tough here And it's not to deny my toughness I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself That's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no fucking sleep, and I saw it I know you did it.I watched and That guy's not doing this.And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has, or a guy like Goggins has, where they can do things where people go, no one can do that.The fuck they can't.Like, how many UFC fighters have you seen go and train with Goggins?And they're like, Israel Adesanya.

World -champion world -class guy throwing up at a fucking garbage can can't keep up with him Tony Ferguson like who is known in the MMA world for fucking Superhuman endurance Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime.He was el cuckoo II he was the fucking the boogeyman Yeah, he never got tired.Yeah, and even if you heard him, it didn't matter He was gonna recover and come back after you he's coming.He was coming for your fucking soul.Mm -hmm That guy was breaking down.Everybody breaks down and it's it's He's doing it in silence.

No one even knows.He's doing it with no music.He's doing it by himself.

No one's pushing him.

He's a fucking full -on psychopath.They are real.There's real people out there that are really living like that.This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it but he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an asshole and you're killing animals and Meanwhile, he needs to eat one of them fucking bear sticks.They're fucking delicious.

Give me another one.

I want I want another one fucking awesome They're great, but it's just it's just what we're talking about.It's if you and that guy arehad a conversation.Thank you.If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras, it was just two human beings having a conversation.I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not, you know, outside of the Ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails but it's because most of it entails large -scale monocrop agriculture if you're just buying plants you are responsible for the death of a fucking countless number of creatures yeah fact End of story especially if you start talking about bees yeah avocados and almonds.

Oh, I'm eating almonds I'm healthy you fucking killed a hundred billion bees all right stop.Yeah Outside of that.What are you both doing?

You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability and maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two had some real protein he'd have a better time well, I I mean too right I Yeah, I'm I need some real fucking protein I am friends with a lot of people just like him and belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum and I it hasn't affected our friendship at all because What I focus on is what do we have in common?We love the mountains.We love to run.We love to push ourselves I don't need to align with everybody 100 % so I'm I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them and It's like has nothing to do with anything.It's uh, but for for him, you know, I was on the radar for a few different reasons this gave him like the reason why like BPC 157 is banned for Olympians not for a regular person, right?We regular people can take it, right?

So I'm just like he's like, do you know what the rules are?And I'm like, I don't give a fuck about the rules.So then he turned that in.like, he doesn't care about the rules.He's gonna do everything, anything he wants.I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like, whatever.

So the rules that apply to me is this rule.And it's like, if you wanna talk about rules, I follow the rules.Like I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was the buyer at my old job for 20 years, I had to go by laws and rules every day.So I respect that.If it has to do with me, if it affects me, I'm like, OK, I understand it.Well, this one, you start bringing up these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for a race.

And I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this.This says if the USATF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug testing, it says, Related published materials must contain the following language.So, when I see that it says that must contain the following language, in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or didn't say may because should and may means it doesn't have to.When it says must, it must.So, it says it must say this.Athlete who participate in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with U .

S.law, blah, blah, blah.So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is.Their rules, their own rules, say it must be included.I've never seen this language.It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with these, in regard to these races.

So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are?

No, if they had a waiver, even if they had a link, like, okay, right.

And so if they said, if you are going to race, you must be held to the standards of this race, right?You can go visit them on this website.

That's fine.I would be like, oh, that was my bad.I didn't do that.They never mentioned it.So if somebody said, like, I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this.I just thought that it was another, maybe you could get a TUE for, or I didn't even know what TUE was.

I just, it's not my world.My world is bow hunting.I just try to get in as good a shape as I can.

You're not trying to do it for money.

No, I've never won money.I've never been on a national team.If I wanted to be, if that was what I was going to do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take.I mean, you can't take THC, you know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition.So you know how long THC is in your system.So you took it the day before, but you didn't, but you're still going to test hopper run high.

Yeah.But, but as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning?

Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race.And they could determine whether or not you actually intoxicated during the race.That's how, uh, Nick Diaz got popped.Oh, really?Takanori Gomi.They said his fucking levels were off the charts.

And that was probably, uh, I don't believe it was.I believe that was, I think that was Pride, and I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States, and they had it in Vegas, I believe.See if that's right.It was a long time ago.I want to say this is...

I want to say like 2005.It was a big win when Nick beat Takenori Gomi Takenori Gomi was one of the big stars Over in pride and Nick he got him with a go -go Plata Which is a crazy submission off your back when you use the shin?Against the guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and God nasty But uh, they said he was off the charts.They said he was high as a kite when he was fighting, which I fucking love Yeah, you're not allowed to do thatAnd I think for good reasons, I don't think you should be allowed.But look, the reality of these drug tests are, is that if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition, And they're a regular user.

They're going to have a lot of THC in their system.They just are.And also, you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race, and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race.So what year was this?Apparently the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight.Dr. Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that, so it was Nevada, a result of 15 is considered positive.

But the Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50 test positive for THC.They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive.Mr. Diaz was 175.This creates a unique situation.I was there at the fight.I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain.

Did it help you win?I think it did.You know, listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway.He's one of the toughest fucking dudes that's ever lived.I don't know if you can make that argument that it helped you win.I think it probably relaxed him.

He likes it.He probably could go out there high and fight.more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyway.So he was one of the best fighters on earth at the time.He's a world class fighter.The idea that that helped him win is like, yeah, prove it.

Prove it.He was beating everybody anyway.

It's a stretch.It's like, I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9000 people or having them, you know, like, well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying.

Because what you're saying is, if allyou did was take that drug It's not even a drug take that peptide in 2024 for a broken foot There's no fucking chance that helped you win a marathon two years later It does not help other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot.That's not performance enhancing No, not but this guy's kind of a hater It was which I understand.

Yeah.Yeah, I I mean I admitted that I took it and it's like at that and actually that night I remember I didn't even know when that was I fucking can't remember when I go went to waste Well, it's like I thought it was like six months ago.I couldn't even fucking remember So then I got a hold of him.I said, no, I need, you know, the details of my, my treatment.And it, you know, it was in November of 2024.And I'm like, okay.

But anyway, that night I said, yeah, I've done stem cell.I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC one, five, seven.And it's like, I didn't know when that was, but I just kind of, because he was like coming at me. I'm just like, no fuck off.It's like, I do all this.I don't know whether it's approved or not.It doesn't has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete.

I'm fucking bow hunter.So I was like, kind of wanted to just shit on him at that time.Well, he got what he needed because admitting to taking BPC for like an Olympian is a huge deal because it's banned just for them, not for me.And that then he could go to USOD and say, oh, this guy took a ban.And they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks.It's like they're in a position where, I don't know, it's just like so much.

The public knows about it so much.It's like, you know, I got Articles about me and talking about all this crazy shit, and I'm just like I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries This is like I'm not trying to win a fucking that myage category of marathon and then they'll turn it into like well that's not fair to the other people who are are Performing clean.I'm just like it's not we don't even know who's what people are taking.I was like it's I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful.Everybody else just lies.

Yeah.Well, maybe, maybe lies, maybe doesn't.But the, the, the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries.And if you're going to run marathons, like the way you run them with very fast times, you're probably training really hard.If you're training really hard, you're probably going to get injured.

Yeah.

Yeah.It's just, but.It's a hater thing is what it is or yeah, he's accusing you of lying which I know you're not a liar But so this is the thing he's he's Attacking your character, but it's also the fact that you know that quote that I love all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs This guy's an elite athlete.No one knows who he is.Yeah, you know, that's part of the problem Yeah, and then with someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times like that's like how how's that possible?He's 18 years older than me.

Fuck this guy.

No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them No, no, and or yeah, I mean and I get that.I mean, I'm a human too, right?I understand how that can happen, but to call me a doper, trying to discredit everything I've done, it's so not even real.

To use is to just be honest lay it all out and leave it alone Yeah, I don't think like going after this guy and talking a lot of shit is in any way beneficial I don't I don't want I want him.

I want everyone to succeed.I don't have anything personal against this guy I didn't like he was talking shit about true it.

I didn't even that it's just it's just haterade He just sees true itrunning with those fucking perfect jeans on Looking all handsome.He's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner which drives people nuts, too Yeah, he also won the world pull -up challenge like look when someone breaks the world record at pull -ups That isn't a fucking extraordinary human being period and for you to discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that Well, you're a fool.Yeah, this isn't just a regular person, right?There's a person who broke the world World fucking record for chin -ups or pull -ups.Yeah, that's a crazy thing to do.

Yeah to do Thousands of pull -ups in 24 hours rip your fucking hands to shreds.Yeah, that's an extraordinary person for him to not recognize that he's a being a bitch, which is fine.It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have, and especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve, and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter.

The traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say, you know how some people would say, oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border.Racist.

Right.

Racist.You're a Nazi.

Right.You're a cheater.

So to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else because then it's like, oh, that guy.So now I'm kind of tainted by with that language when the fact of the matter is this is years ago.I don't take any.I mean, I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other bullshit Trace gives me.But Like the level of doping I know about I don't know shit.I don't mean I don't know EP I know we've talked about this before but I don't even know really what a EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something So there's more oxygen, but I'm so like illiterate on performance and Like PEDs.

I'm just like I don't I don't knowtestosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird.And I didn't know if this happened because They say when you run like long distances, like extreme long distances, your testosterone drops.I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing in these huge races with low testosterone or higher estrogen, they perform better.And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the TRT.Maybe.

And so I haven't, like I had, I had, um, I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of 10.And.Anybody who's a doper they don't got dope sitting around like if you had you know if I don't care if it's meth or fucking Testosterone if you have it you take it if you're a doper right so I haven't done it because I'm I operate better with a low heart rate Low testosterone, and I can run, but low body weight, too.That's like yeah I'm like 148 is what I got down to when I'm right now 52 Wow when I met you you were in the 80s mm -hmm Yeah, I was just lifting.I just, I always ran, but I'd run like five miles a day.And I wanted to be like, I thought like for hunting, I needed more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that.

Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for, for like 148, still very strong compared to like a normal 148.So I, I'm still able to do, The task I need to do carry heavy loads when I kill optimized.

Yeah, so well, this is the big factors the weight because I'm pretty heavy Yeah, and I noticed the difference, you know, like I've lost I when I hunted a few years back I got down to the 190s early one like 192 or 193 and I felt waylighter.You would think 10 pounds, because I weighed 202 this morning, you would think 10 pounds is not that big of a deal.It's a big deal.When I work out and I put a 25 -pound weight vest on, it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin -ups and push -ups and dips.It's amazing.

And it's only 25 pounds.And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds.You're walking around all day with a weight vest on, you know?

Well, and I've told Truett this too, it's like, he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run the Olympic trials qualifier, or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like 140.So I said...

Which totally makes sense, you're fighting gravity.

Yeah, I mean, you got to be light.Yeah.So I said, you can't be 160 and compete.

What is he at now?

He's like... 58.

And what is he trying to get down to?

He's got to be in the 40s.Got to be like 140.

Oh my God, he's gonna look like Skeletor.

The guy, the guy who I just ran with, he ran Eugene and set the course record and all that.He was 135, probably like 6 '1".

Whoa.

That's just the name of the game.

Right.

Like the East Africans, super light.The guy who just broke the world record of the marathon, he's like 135 or no, 115.Jeez, tiny little guy.So it's like, makes sense.That's just, that's just performance, right?That's just what it takes a huge engine, a light body, right.

And so, like, to pay me this way, when I was turned avoided surgery, haven't taken BPC since then.

It's just, It's kind of just I think all you can do is state your case and I think you just did and you just did It really well and I know you and I can speak for you You are as honest a human being as I've ever met in my life You don't lie about anything and you are and it's also why you work so hard you work so hard So you don't have to lie me you work so hardan insanely hard worker.

I didn't, I didn't lie about this either.I mean, that's what I just said.Yeah, I did.I didn't remember when, but I looked it up.Here's when it was, whatever.

You know, this guy's got to get over it.Maybe you should have a conversation with him on Keep Hammering Collective.

Yeah.I mean, I don't, I would talk to, talk to anybody.I don't.You know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time.

People, there's a, there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them.And so you kind of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative.You know, you attack that narrative, you attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person.And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon.They like to turn someone to an, not even a person.That's how people have to do that with war.

They love to do that with religion.

It's easy to garner support.with keywords, using keywords that nobody could defend would be like, okay, we got That'll work right there.And so that's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper, the racist, that's why those words are always out there.It's like, because they're powerful.

Exactly.That's exactly.

And when you, you know, when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words and it buys you some time.

Yeah, there's that.And then there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have good personal insight.They don't understand what they're doing.Really, they think they're justified in what they're doing.Really.

It's just a bunch of bitchy bullshit one thing that I did I think part of this I don't want to be demonized about like with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized but One thing I think a lot of people because I as you said a lot of people are taking these peptides a lot of people are doing the TRT stuff I think that there was a big shift when kovat happened as far as distrust in the the health I mean, basically our health and wellness category, like it started maybe with Obamacare.People are having trouble getting into their doctor.Doctors quit because it's too frustrating.So we've had a hard time getting medical treatment to be healthy.And then COVID happened, and then they were shoving the vaccine down our throats.And it turned out it wasn't as safe and effective as they said.

So I think people, they see that.The writing was on the wall.They couldn't get into their doctor.The doctor was just writing prescriptions.So then the wellness clinics popped up, right?And it feels like it was after COVID for now, like you got a ways to well, and there's other places like it, where you can go in, and they care about how you feel, they want you to, they want to help you feel better, like live like an optimized life, like, you're old, but you don't have to feel old.

And so they're like, they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while.It's like, no, we don't need to do that.But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it.And they'll tell you, yeah, you're deficient here, this, this, that we could add this, we could try this.And then also you start to feel better.And you're like, well, these people care about my health.

The doctor, what did he care about?Writing prescriptions.

The doctors, they're playing a totally different game as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched.Right.

So it's no wonder that waste wells and like these other treatments may be bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide.I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to change.Also and running needs to to be on board with that because most your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians, right?They're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy and that's me while they're working a full -time job.

Most of them Yeah, well, I think you laid your case out and I gotta pee.Yeah, let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home Congratulations on your bear hunt.You got two giant monsters.

Oh, yeah, John and Jen.

Yeah.Shout out to John and Jen rivet Yeah, I'm gonna try to come next year swear.

Love those guys.

Love those guysI love that place they have up there, too.It's crazy.And for people who don't know, these bear have no natural predators other than grizzlies.They have to be controlled.They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves.

They're ruthless predators, opportunistic hunters.They eat each other.

Just to put that in.Perspective in Alaska, they're flying out of helicopters shooting bear.Yeah, because there's so many I'm not enough for getting killed So they wipe out all the ungulates.Yeah, so it's like it's an issue.

You just don't know about it You know people don't know that Alaska is flying in helicopters is leaving bear after they kill him I know and everybody thinks of bears as yogi yogi and boo -boo and You know Come for a trip, take a trip to Alberta.I'll show you some real shit.I remember when, you know, I've told this story, you know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we were out there, just briefly.We only saw it briefly.We're like, let's get the fuck out of here.

They don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies.So that's like, it's crazy.That's quite a ways from where we hunt now, just because.

Isn't that crazy?

A grizzly starts coming in the bait.Yeah.You got to get out of there.Especially, I like to sit on the ground.

And they need to start hunting them up there too.And you know this is the when they changed that law in BC.They made it a fucking disaster up there There's so many grizzly now.Yeah, and it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any Encounters with them and there it's ballot box biology people that they're trying to be good people Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting yeah these cruel assholes?They just want to shoot this animal for its skin.Yeah, fuck them They just want to show what a big man.

They are by killing an animal like that guy calls me a trophy hunter like he's like He's like, Oh, I understand deer and elk hunting, but not bear.It's just like, well, you don't know what you just eat.How was that bear?We just ate.How's that any different than deer and elk?

My daughter went to school one.day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy because Steve Rinella taught me a Recipe called bear candy how to make this like it's like a you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear It's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal but with bear it was fucking delicious and I served it for my kids and my daughter I think she was just trying up like Jostle people up a little bit.I well air.

Well, Jen makes some badass bear stir -fry.

Oh, it's fantastic I mean, I would say her bear meat is fantastic.

I was just thinking to myself mountain offs has those new freeze -dried meals Maybe I need to get some right dehydrated get some bear meat in there Food he does it all in a dehydrator then it rehydrates it and in camp.

He's a vacuum seal zone stuff Some of those meals do yeah Well, it's the best way to do it, too, if you want to eat clean.If you want to eat clean in the mountains, you can get a dehydrator.

For that energy, because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using for calories matters.

100%.

So especially on a long hunt, if you can, like we had, I had some Mountain Ops freeze dried in there, like Chicken Alfredo.

That's just fucking good good calories 100 % and also electrolytes boy I it changed for me when I started using element when I started throwing element my water when I was out there giant difference Get those electrolytes.

That's the first thing I drink in the morning as an element.Yeah, because I know I'm because I run every day.I know I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much I run.For sure.Like I run so much like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat and wet clothes sitting on my skin makes all these sores from running for hours in a wet shirt.

That's crazy.I know guys wear their nipples out.They have to put like band -aids.

I wear like a bra.It's like a littlerunning pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits.But this here bounces, and it's like just being wet.That's crazy.

It makes sores on your skin just from a t -shirt.

It does.Maybe you should start running in silk.Just from being warm.But I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, It sets me up for the whole day to be able to perform at a higher level.Yeah.