Joe Rogan Won’t Stop Gaslighting Theo Von

But there's nobody like yeah, it just feels like we're heading there and nobody's like kind of there's no in the brakes There's people that are warning, but it's like people are wondering like yeah in five years is money gonna be worth anything Is there gonna be some token like Sam Alton is talking about what the fuck does that even mean?

What does that mean so anyway? I don't want to be sound like a doomsday or do late. Yeah, that's what you sound The They won't let you pee until you give them your guns.

The last time Theo Von sat down with Joe Rogan I made a video called The Joe Rogan Experience is Dead and I meant every word. Theo was going through some shit, asking real questions, pushing back on Joe harder than anyone had in years and Rogan spent 3 hours gaslighting him into a false sense of security. Well Theo's back on JRE to promote his new movie with David Spade, and somehow things have gotten worse, because it's clear now that the last appearance wasn't just a one

off. Rogan is straight up gaslighting this man on a regular basis, and the thing is, Theo's becoming more and more of a moral compass for the general podcast audience. The people who are genuinely concerned about the state of the world are finding their voice through Theo Von of all people, which is wild when you think about it. This is the guy who used to voluntarily do a regular podcast with

Brendan Shaub. And we can't forget that Theo was one of the biggest podcasters in the world who cosied up to the current administration and got absolutely burnt. After they used the clip of him in an ICE promotional video without his consent, he copped death threats, needed extra security, the whole thing. And since then, he's been way more skeptical of his role in pushing out government propaganda. He started questioning things on a deeper level. Meanwhile, Rogan still balls deep in the elite circles he so desperately wanted to be a part

of for years, and that's what makes this so frustrating to watch. Rogan gaslighting Theo is bad enough on a personal level given their friendship, but Theo's pushing back on the exact same things that Joe's audience are worried about. So, Rogan isn't just gaslighting his buddy, he's gaslighting the millions of people who are watching this and thinking the same thing that Theo is. By the way, the biggest video in the history of this channel just dropped on Patreon this

week, the Top 10 Moments in Podcast History. It features Rogan and Theo quite heavily as you'd expect, and it's basically a feature-length video that draws the links between all the guys I cover here on YouTube. It took me a couple of weeks to make, so go and check that out via the link in the description if you're interested, but in this episode, Theo opened up about his ongoing battle with depression and his goal of getting off antidepressants, and of course, Mr Scientist knows better than everyone else when it comes to medical science.

That's nuts that your tax dollars pay for that, them figuring out how to make people stupid. How do I make Theo stupid? Let me slip something into his Coca-Cola. Let's figure out if it works.

Let's experiment on random people and see what kind of results we get and here's my question And well, did you know whenever they whenever they introduced antidepressants that changed like the cognitive? therapy side of things like industrialized Therapy and it ruined it ruined a lot of people I think like one of my goals is to get off of antidepressants completely man I want to feel how I'm supposed to feel, so I can have thoughts and actions that, uh, that, like, make me feel connected to the world.

That shit makes you feel dead, man.

You're, you know, probably you're addicted to them.

Yeah. And so I, that's one of my goals is, and I noticed, like, um, for me, I've been taking like methyl blue I've been doing some things like and I'm working with a doctor to help me But I want to I'm gonna get there and I'm just gonna start to take the power back of myself more

I well they say that exercise is Like many times yeah greater in its effect. Yeah, like I just need to I just need to keep going This is the best I've been doing I think why don't you hire a trainer you got some?

cheddar You got some cash son you making that I'm not saying Rogan is wrong about the benefits of exercise, and I didn't include all of it there, but Theo actually explains how his new morning routine has been helping him. But Theo's issues are clearly a lot deeper than a few ice baths and kettlebell swings. Bro is really going through it. He's been on antidepressants for 20 fucking years after being prescribed them as a kid,

and he's trying to take back control of his own mental health while the world around him feels like it's falling apart. And Rogan's response to all of that is, you've got money, hire a trainer. Theo's out here asking all the right questions that Rogan used to ask, the questions that built JRE into what it was in the first place, but Joe's too comfortable and way too compromised to go there anymore.

And that's where things start to get real sketchy, because whenever Theo scratches the surface and starts sharing his concerns about the world, Rogan immediately shuts it down and tells him he just needs to come and hang out at the mothership.

It's always scary when a small amount of individuals have insane amounts of power and wealth. And that's what's going to happen with this AI thing. And that's what's what happened with tech. Look what happened with tech. The vast majority of people that are involved were all like heavily left wing, very progressive, like kind of even far left in a way.

And look, they pushed the entire country's narrative in that direction. But then didn't all those half of those people move over to the other political party when Trump got elected like you don't saying like Zuckerberg was on the left side Bezos seemed like a very left leaning guy and then they're all just so that's what made me start to think oh none of these guys are really on a side. There's this other third side that a lot of us can't see fabricating or like infiltrating both sides.

If I could hum a song right now, I'd hum the Pink Floyd song, Money.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

It's all just a cat and mouse game. People are like, we'll elect the Democrats next time. It's like, but it's all the same shit has been happening forever. They haven't been helping anybody forever They're letting in politicians on kids all of our money goes to Israel, and they're using it to fucking side people It's like everybody is scared out of their wits right now It's like Satan is amongst us and our religious leaders are talking about bullshit at the pole

It's just like what is going. I don't know man. I gotta get you up for the night the president's on you Yeah, that's actually kind of infuriating. Watching Rogan dismiss the one guy in his circle who has clearly had a genuine change of heart over the last 18 months perfectly captures just how far gone Joe really is. Theo's sitting there talking about politicians getting away with heinous shit, billions of dollars going overseas to fund a war that nobody asked for, religious leaders refusing to speak up, and Rogan's response is, you need to get off your ant nobody asked for, religious leaders refusing to speak up, and

Rogan's response is, you need to get off your antidepressants, you're losing your marbles. Come hang at the mothership tonight. That'll fix it, right? Joe's about to get Theo fucking committed like he's a 1950s housewife having an existential crisis, the guy is expressing totally valid concerns that millions of people share, and

Rogan's treating it like a psych evaluation. And for those of you who don't know, Theo's been getting his comedy back on track after a rough end to 2025, where he messed up the recording of his new stand-up special, he's been working through all the personal shit, getting back on the road, preparing for his re-recording in a month, but Joe genuinely seems to think that Theo's spiral is caused by not hanging out with the right comedians.

That's one of the truest things I think through comedy is getting to meet some, just some fun people dude. We know some cool motherfuckers, we really

do. We know some cool motherfuckers, we really do.

And thanks dude, thanks for letting me come in here today too. Come on dog, you know I love dog. And to spend time with you. Come on dog. It's good. It just feels, things feel kind of scary out there.

Well it's a little, also scary, I keep telling you this, because you're on your own out there. You're not living in Nashville.

I'm getting close to being here.

There ain't a lot of comics out there dog. Like you need to be around- Because I have to start to practice again. I'm taking my special in one month last night in the green room It was Shane Ron white Tony Hinchcliffe Brian Simpson Asana mod Derek Poston we were just laughing and laughing It was it's so fun and everyone's going on stage and fucking tearing it up. It was it was exciting It's like it's in the air like something's happening here. something's happening here. It's a fun time for comedy, man. It really is. A real good time for comedy.

Yeah. It's a special time. A comedy doesn't exist in a vacuum. That's why I keep telling you, you can't be out there on your own.

What does that mean? Oh, you can't go by yourself.

You don't want to be by yourself, man. You ever go by yourself on the road You don't know so you do all these gigs and you're lonely. It's not as fun Yeah It's like you want to be around a bunch of other comics that are your friends and also you want to hear their sets You want to watch them crush you want to go on stage already laughing? You want to be laughing at what he just said when you get on stage and feel the competition It's inspiration more than it is competition. That's fair. So the problem with competition is someone has to lose. You don't want anybody to lose, then no one has to lose.

It's just these people doing well should inspire you to do well, they should light a fire under you.

Theo moving to Austin right now and joining Rogan's mothership crew would be an absolute disaster for him. We saw what it did to Brian Callen. It's where comedians go to die. They get comfortable with Rogan's audience, they hop on the Kill Tony panel, they start doing guest spots at the club, it all builds a false sense of security

and when they drop their new special they're all confused as to why the rest of the world thought it was shit. And the funniest part of this whole segment is that earlier in the same episode, Rogan was praising Shane Gillis for wrapping up the new season of Ties with complete creative independence. No input from Netflix, no notes, no one looking over his shoulder. Rogan literally said Shane just makes the show and hands it in. So Shane's independence is inspirational, but Theo needs to move to Austin and hang

out in the green room or he'll lose his mind. Slojo needs to pick a lane there. And Theo honestly needs to get as far away from the mothership as possible. That place is a breeding ground for mediocre dick jokes. But then Theo brought up Palantir again. For those of you who are new here or maybe you just can't remember because you actually

have a life unlike myself, Joe Rogan is tight with billionaire Peter Thiel, the founder and chairman of Palantir Technologies, which is a tech company that provides the AI and surveillance technology used by the IDF, various US government agencies including ICE, and a growing list of governments around the world. So they're controversial to say the absolute least, right? And the criticism of Joe is that he's friends with all these powerful and controversial

figures yet he supposedly has no idea what they're actually doing. He's either playing dumb or he genuinely hasn't bothered to look into his own friends business dealings and I honestly don't know which explanation is worse. The irony of Joe Rogan befriending and defending the people who are weaponising our privacy on behalf of governments around the world is something I'd never have thought possible a few years ago when he was one of the biggest voices calling out the government during the pandemic for pretty much the same

shit.

But it's just incredible that even after Theo brought all of this up on their last episode, hasn't done his homework on his buddies over at Palantir. Like, I guess f***ing two. He's trying to move a piece of a missile. I think it was a experimental grounds for a lot of insane new warfare type of possibilities. There's that Palantir company just keeping tabs on everything that was happening.

And that- Palantir's involved in Gaza?

Palantir was involved in Gaza, yeah.

For sure?

Mm hmm.

Put that into perplexity.

Because- Allegedly. Palantir was involved in Gaza. For sure? Mm-hmm. Put that into perplexity. Because...

Allegedly.

So for those of you who don't know, it's not a conspiracy theory that Palantir is actively involved in assisting the IDF in Gaza. The CEO openly admitted this over a year ago when he was heckled during an interview.

That a few people get wealthy and if you said platitudes that were obviously stupid you could... during an interview. Well, if you do you want to hear my answer? Okay, so I Think the primary cause of the Palestinians, okay. Do you want it? You want to hear the answer or do you want to yell? Well, do you don't want to hear an answer? obviously, so the primary source of in Palestine is the fact that Hamas has realized that there are millions and millions of useful idiots that will

Can we get security up there?

Mostly terrorists, that's true

So let's just get this straight the CEO of Palantir called Palestinian casualties the results of useful idiots and then the guy interviewing him calls security when he gets heckled. This is the company that Rogan won't criticize. But someone forgot to tell Slojo because he still doesn't know. And even when presented with the facts from his own sponsored AI chatbot, his first instinct

is to question the source. And in 2023, Palantir CEO Alex Karp has said, I am proud that we are supporting Israel in every way we can. Israeli military has used Palantir technology to plan attacks in Lebanon and Gaza. This is the title of this is what is Palantir and why is this corporation so dangerous? And this is from, uh, American friends, service committee, American friends, service committee. What is that website?

Yeah, that sounds kind of wild or vague.

We bring together people of all face and backgrounds to challenge injustice and build peace around the globe. So maybe that's not the best source. I read stuff like that and I go, what is that, a CIA run company?

I agree. You have no idea.

Is that the Patriot Act? You know what I mean?

Yeah. What about the Patriot Act you know I mean yeah, what about the Guardian is that reliable?

There's like there's a bunch of different versions of it says it's in this business and Human Rights Center There's more than one thing saying that Palantir is working in Gaza Yeah, just sometimes feels like like your heart's broken and like sometimes it feels like my heart's broken about stuff And it's not even like my heart it feels like this universal heart like that you were all a part of or something, right? It just feels like there's this like this universal. Yeah, some sadness There's some sadness in the way the world today is being run and America's where the people with the people

Don't practice the way that the government does I don't know it just no you're right It starts to hurt but then you start to see well This is the way a lot of places are and then you're like God I wish that Jesus would come back in this help everybody or something different would happen somebody

Somebody give us a heads up Maybe that's what a eyes here for maybe a I was gonna sort it all out

That is just so telling multiple sources confirming Palantir's involvement in Gaza, the CEO on record saying he's proud to support Israel in every way they can, and Rogan sat there going, yeah but what website is that from? Is that really reliable? Rogan's reluctance to even engage with the topic of Palantir is a massive stab in the

back to his long time listeners who trusted him to question power, and he's such a fucking dumbass about it too. After Theo pours his heart out about feeling like the world's heart is broken, Rogen agrees that there's a sadness in the way the world is being run, and then immediately suggests that maybe AI is going to sort it all out. Bro, that's what Theo was criticising Palantir for using, AI surveillance technology targeting

innocent civilians and Rogan's solution to the problem is more of that same technology that's actually causing it. He just can't join the dots anymore. Critical thinking has left the studio. Meanwhile, Theo's clearly processing all of this shit in real time, he's realising what a lot of Joe's audience figured out a long time ago, and he's trying to think through it and make sense of the world around him. Yet every single time he gets Rogan to finally agree with him on something, Joe takes it down an all-too-familiar road.

I just want to be able to have like a family and just like think that everybody's gonna be able to live.

That would be nice. Yeah, that's the thing about ideologies and tribes. If it wasn't for ideologies and tribes, the idea is that we should all be able to live together It's like but the problem is it's not fair the way the world's distributed you make 34,000 US dollars you are in the 1% of the world Yeah, that's crazy

It's just tough sometimes

It's like it out you have to pray That's what I've been trying to do.

In order for us to get cheap jeans and an iPhone that only cost a thousand bucks, somebody has to get paid squat. But it's just sad man. It is sad. I mean, we're better than this. Yeah, humans overall are better than this.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so people that are not acting better than this are not they're not I mean I know we all have mistakes and we all do things that are fucked up, right? But like at a point where you're like, we should all be doing better taking lives and it's not if it's not the regular people I feel like it's the government's man

100% it is 100% whatever you decide those other in the other you decide to other a group of people Yeah, then it becomes a problem because it's us versus them and then you're back to the same tribal bullshit That needs to turn us all trans. That's why we need to lose our gender and lose our primate Dominant instincts and all of our territorial instincts. I told you I was gonna mail my dick away We're gonna be all telepathic with big old heads

There it is Joe's infamous mental gymnastics on full display. Theo says it's the government's not the people and Rogan agrees 100% and then within the same breath he pivots into culture war fear-mongering about losing our gender and tribal instincts turning us all trans. He went from agreeing that governments are the problem to blaming trans people in about 4 seconds flat. Meanwhile Theo's sitting there trying to move the conversation away

from all the tribal bullshit and towards something hopeful and Rogan just can't help himself. I mean did you see how excited Theo got when Joe finally agreed with him? Rogan has become Theo's unstable stepdad who won't stop disappointing him, just when there's a glimmer of hope that they're on the same page, Joe has a few drinks and starts breaking shit. And that's the pattern now, it's not a one-off anymore. I've been tracking this shit for years now, this is who Joe Rogan is. Every time Theo raises something real, Rogan cycles through the same playbook. He'll crack some

shit joke to dismiss it, he'll redirect to the mothership, prescribe some fucking exercise, and don't forget to immediately question the source or launch into a culture war rant to change the subject. Seriously, it's the same playbook, over and over. He did this last time and now he just did it again. And you'll probably do it the next time Theo sits in that chair. Because Joe Rogan won't stop gaslighting Theo Von, and by Rogan won't stop gaslighting Theo Von, and

by extension he won't stop gaslighting every single person watching who feels the exact same way Theo does. But I mean, to be fair, what's he gonna do, push back? Anyway, go and check out the Patreon for the biggest video in the history of this channel, the top 10 moments in podcast cringe history, the link is down in the description and I go way deeper into all of this shit and put all the pieces of the puzzle together. While you're here though, into all of this shit and put all the pieces of the puzzle together. While you're here though,

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