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I remember that moment, because it was when I was about to go to school.

Your father died in front of you when you were about to go to school.

Yeah.

Do you remember what I said to my mom? You said, Don't worry, mom. I'll find money for my family. I also want to thank Patrick F. Endy. The first time he said,

I think you won't be anything among these four. He said. Dog. Dog! You can be sad, you can feel like it's not worth it, but then you wake up again. Because in the end, you will always have a way to survive. And you did it.

I believe you can.

5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

And close the door. So, you were invited to the podcast, not the podcast. Were you nervous? The Door. But I thought you were a pot-hub, I thought you came to pot-hub, but you're actually here. No, pot-hub is normal. I want to discuss not about the funny things, I see you are sad. Seriously, I know you since you were a kid, right? You're 12 years old, right?

12 years old, yes.

In the black and white era, in the ready-made era, if Kob era of Siapkali, when Kobay Junior performed and so on, Bastian wanted me to kick his head.

Don't you want to do the same with me?

Yes.

Until now.

Until now.

That's why. What I'm curious about, you once told me that your father was not there when you were little.

My father was not there when I was little. That's right. Yes, you could say that. You could say that. Family support is when you let your siblings and mother. That's right. Siblings and mother.

And you're okay with that?

When I was little, I felt like it was a must. I mean, it's okay, but when I grew up, I felt like it was wrong. In a normal way.

But morally, it's not wrong. It's not wrong. Normally.

But morally, it's not wrong.

It's not wrong.

Because there are reasons. That's why I'm curious. You're a heir, right? I mean, a prince, not a heir.

Right, a prince, not a heir.

So, your father passed away, Gagal?

So, my father passed away because... I don't know where, on Friday, May 5, 2006. I still remember it. The point is, I don't know where he came from. I think you were also covered up by that. So, there's not much to tell.

And the last thing I remember, he was lying in front of me. I saw it. How old were you? Seven years old.

But you remember? I remember. You remember that moment?

I remember that moment because it was when I was about to go to school.

Your father passed away in front of you when you were about to go to school?

Yes.

Oh, shit, man.

So, his eyes were red. But at that time, because the school was already there, I want to go to school. But he forced me to go to school.

You didn't want to go to school because you saw your father's condition?

Not because I was lazy, no. Because I saw my father like that. I went to school. At around 10 o'clock, I was picked up by my cousin. I asked him about his condition, if he was safe or not. I saw my teacher's expression, he was surprised I saw my teacher was like this, Om. His expression was surprised.

Then, he said, -"You can go home now." On the way, he kept asking me. He kept asking me,

-"How old are you?" -"I'm 7 years old."

-"7 years old."

-"So, you have a cognitive that you already know that there's something."

-"Yes, I'm very aware of it. So, you're really close to your father? I'm closer to him because he's the one who taught me how to sing for the first time. So, my father is a musician, too. He works in the single organ. So, he's emotionally closer to me. Because I'm the only one among us three. Because I'm the only one among us three.

I think he's the one continue. Okay, so you asked him at work? Yes, I asked him at work. How is it? Is Papa okay? How is it? Is Papa recovered or not? He was silent. I think my uncle was also very worried about the answer.

He was silent. That was me and my brother. We got to the front of the complex, and saw the yellow flag. I felt bad. We went back in.

I got to the front of the house. It was crowded. There were a lot of people. There was a tent.

You knew that was the front of the house?

I knew. I knew it. I got off the motorcycle. I saw my mom. Her position was in front of my dad's body. It was... typical for a mother.

She was unconscious. Then I was conscious again, then unconscious again, then conscious again, then unconscious again. I don't know why, I was 7 years old. I also think about it now, I feel like I'm a kid. But talking to my mom, at that time, this is the mom who always remembers until today, and when we're talking at the dining table, we're always discussed. Kiki, do you remember talking. Do you remember that time when you talked to me?

You said, calm down, mom, I'll find money for the family. Seven years, I don't think about it now. So, actually, it's really so. But, I don't know, maybe that day when dad wasn't there, the angel was by his side,

and I heard that story from a 7-year-old boy. At that time, I was a bit shocked. But, it turned out that's how it goes. It turned out that there are a lot of possibilities. Well, it's not straight from there. The journey is very long.

But, it turned out it's a reality.

But before you make money, right? You're from Kobo Juniors. Was it Kobo Juniors at that time?

So, in 2008, I joined Avi Juniors first. I won first place. Then in 2010, I joined Musical Scare Plangi. After that, I joined Kobo Juniors after I joined Musical Scare Plangi. But before that, from Musica Alaska Pelangi, then to Cobo Junior.

But before that, there was a process. During that process, did your family have any financial problems?

Oh, a lot. A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. It was very difficult. I was in a small event, sorry...

What's that? I don't know what you're talking about.

I sing at the circumcision ceremony. I sing at the wedding. So, what is it?

Because it's economic.

Because it's economic.

Like, literally, you understand this is because of the economy.

I understand.

So, when you were little, you knew you were doing this to help the economy? To help the economy. I understand. Yes, that's right. How hard was it?

How hard was it? My mom was actually a bank employee. But she had three children. Well, the three of us, we can say, well, we don't have enough to live our daily lives.

So, there are many things that... Our school, I used to deal with the unable to write a letter of explanation. So, it's not as difficult as... Not that we can't eat. Not that we can't eat, but we live in a tight schedule. We have to buy electricity to borrow from our relatives.

To meet our daily needs. You bought electricity to money from your relatives to buy electricity. You have to borrow money from your relatives to buy electricity. I remember my mom borrowed money from her relatives. The nominal amount was this much. At first, she was given money, and she kept borrowing money. Her relatives were also worried. Now, people can understand.

But back then, I felt sorry for her. Actually, I felt sorry for my mom. This is not the condition she wants. Like, since I was a kid, I had that realization. She didn't want to be a widow at that age. She was 40 years old at that time. So, this is a condition that we can't do anymore. Not because my mom is a slave,

then I become what? No. I really understand that this is a condition that happened to my family. And, well, this is the condition.

So, just accepted it. But the story that... I don't know, I just heard that you stopped your brother's college. Is that true?

Yes, it's true. Because at that time...

Because of the economy?

...it was a co-op. But it was already finished in Kobe Junior. I mean, the timeline. I had a gap year.

So, when Kobe Junior fell, you were still there?

Yes, after Kobe Junior 2016 was disbanded. At that time, I really wanted to make another album with Aldi. But Aldi refused at that time. He preferred to make a single album. Then, I was alone. After Kobe Junior, I didn't have any friends.

Bastian was fired, Iqbal was fired, Aldi didn't want to be there anymore. I was confused, what should I do? I said, I'll go to college. I really wanted to go to college. It was a 3rd grade class. I think I was already known for my singing, but I had to go back to school. But it's just right that my brother also wants to go to college. It's also private.

So, I'll just let my brother go first.

But you didn't feel burdened at that time? Since you were a kid, you didn't feel burdened.

Because you mean you lost your childhood, right? That's right. I lost my childhood. Your friends must have been less. Actually. I just realized it at this age. I just knew. Oh, it turns out that I don't know a lot of basic things. There are a lot of things that I think...

Normal.

Normal, but it turns out not normal. I see my best friends, if they talk a lot, I'm like, Oh, is that so? We know this since we were kids. I don't know. I don't have guidance. I don't have someone to tell me. As simple as changing a tire. Things that men do at home. I never had that picture, Om.

Because your father is not there.

Because my father is not there. Since I was a kid, I sang. All I know is to make money.

For the family.

For the family.

Wow. I'm sorry. It's fun, right?

But, if you put it that way, from your own family, I mean, if it's your mom, I can't say you're supportive. Your mom didn't have any other choice at that time, right? Yeah, she didn't have any other choice. And you, consciously, want to help your family. Because you said you wanted to replace your father.

Yes, in 2010, I was 8 years old. My mom was working at a bank, I said, stop working, accompany me. Because I still need to be guided by my parents.

To sing?

To sing.

And quit your job?

Quit my job. My mom wants to do it. Why does she want to do it?

Because you're not a successful singer.

That's it.

You're crazy.

I don't know.

If you want to quit your job, you have to quit your job. If you want to be something, you have to quit your job. You're crazy.

You're right, Op.

Wow. I'm gonna take a job, I'm gonna sing. And my mom, well, maybe she felt sorry for me. I had no one to take care of my kids. Maybe she knew you were... Maybe she saw how much you wanted to help your family, to replace your father. You're replacing your dad, you know.

Yeah, if I think about it now, after talking to my mom and dad, I'm like, yeah.

You're crazy, you're replacing your dad at the age of 7.

Yeah, and at that time, I don't know. Maybe my mom didn't have any other choice besides believing that this was one of my way out to get out of this uncomfortable situation.

But if I ask you now, my dad also passed away a long time ago. Cuma kalau sekarang gue tanya sama lu, maksudnya bokap gue juga meninggal dalam keadaan... Ya, udah lama. Kita sekarang bisa bercanda nih. Tentang bokap meninggal. Komedi kan time gitu ya. Tapi by that time, what do you feel?

Rasanya tuh kayak... Ini bukan tanggung jawab gue lagi sebenarnya gitu. Kayak ini bukan... Gue emang bilang sama nyokap bakal bantu, I felt like this is not my responsibility anymore. I told my mom that I would help, but I didn't realize that it would be this hard. There would be a lot of problems that I didn't know about. When I was with my family, which hat did I wear? Hat as a child or hat as the head of the family?

At a young age?

Yes, maybe a teenager.

And at one point, you lost your father. You were really lost, or was it close? I'm sorry. He's not here, actually. Because my parents' treatment is not good. Oh, okay. Sorry.

It's okay.

But, even though he's here or not, I need you. I need your figure. At least, I need a man at home who can protect us.

So, psychologically, it's not just about money. Psychologically, because of the event, you want to replace your father, so you love your mother, and you really... Gil, you really love your mother.

Very much. Very much. Wherever I go, I'm always accompanied by my mother. My mother supports me. She's the one who trusts me the most. So, when I was young, I had a photoshoot.

There was a photoshoot moment to give photos. Back then, I went to the public health center to give photos. I have a kid, an audition. She wrote... The writing on the back of the photo was Kiki Artis. So she was already manifesting.

She had a big desire to be an artist. And she supports it. We go to Angkot, we go to Kopaja. He's the one who takes us there. If he's not working.

But I'm sure at that time you feel happy, right?

I feel happy.

Yeah, I feel happy. Because I do what I like, even though I'm tired. But I'm happy, I'm happy like this. Because I found out that I like to sing too. So I'm accompanied by that, I'm very happy. Now I know that this is part of responsibility.

I have that understanding, then I feel, oh, it's hard.

But if you say that, now you're big. You already have your own life, you have your own life, your own career, etc. But it means, if I don't know your siblings, your siblings are already independent, right?

Still live with their mother, but they already have their own income.

Already have their own income. It means that your mother is still your responsibility until now, right?

Sure, until she's gone. Whoever it is, my partner, my mother, my mother will be my responsibility for my whole life.

He's a disclaimer.

Straight away.

Straight away.

No need to use the word mom. Listen to that. The female candidate, listen to that.

Of course, of course. Until she's gone. At least that's what I can do.

I have a question for you.

A bit sensitive, is that okay? It's okay. I have a question for you.

It's a bit sensitive, is that okay? It's okay.

Has your mom ever thanked you?

So, this is really new. My mom just had an en her birthday with my dad. That's the story. It was their 31st wedding anniversary. And she was in the family group, she said,

I'm sorry, if I can't give you the life that you want, that you worthy. And he felt that you should have a life that's more worthy than the one you had before. And he couldn't fulfill that. I think it's more than a thank you.

That yes, we should not have lived like that. But what my mother did was more than just thank you for deciding not to get married again. Deciding to take care of her child, replacing her role as a father and becoming a mother at the same time until her children graduate from college and have a job, it's more than thanks.

And apologize.

Yes, and apologize. Because what he does, there must be a lot of nights, I sometimes like to imagine, in her big bed, there should be her husband who calms her down when she is stressed, who tells her that everything will be fine,

but that role doesn't exist. And she has to endure that for decades. And she doesn't have a place, doesn't have anyone to tell her story. I think that's enough for me to realize that

I have to take care of sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. So when my father passed away, he was 41, maybe 40 years old, he had menopause. He had menopause?

He had menopause. I don't understand why.

I think it's because he was too young to have menopause at 41.

I don't understand either. Maybe it was because of the stress. It turned out that it could be. Maybe now, the effect of menopause is on the bone fracture.

Right now? Right now. The effect on my mother was bone fracture. At this moment?

At this moment.

Okay.

At this moment, it was bone fracture. But slowly, there was a therapy. There was a injection.

There was a medicine. Now, it's not bad. It's not bad.

At the age of 60.

You didn't live together, right?

I didn't live together.

Because your brother and sister were there, right? Yes.

But you them often? Once a week or after the shooting. After the shooting, for example, a podcast like this, at night, it's close to Pamulang area. Let's eat, we go to the mall. Once a week, I try to meet them. To check their condition, check her feelings,

because I think the older she is, the more sensitive she is. Sometimes she feels so lonely at home, the kids are working, and so on. Like, I'm alone at home, it's raining, and so on. Like, wow.

People are getting older and older. My mom is almost 90 years old. If I don't see her once a week, I'm the one who gets my assistant's paint. I think she doesn't like to paint me. She paints my assistant. So, she's busy.

It's so funny. It's so funny. My mom was like,

why isn't he... What is Kiki doing? He's busy. She asked me that.

That's why I have a rule in my family that every week we have to go out together. Even though he's almost 90 years old. But I'm happy. So, my son and others, even though...

I said, even the rules, me and others... I told them, even my rules with Aska... You have to come. I don't care. And then he said... Because they're kids. Now, he understands that I'm 20. But when I was a teenager, I met my grandma. Her grandma was already old. What was she doing?

I told him, I don't care. You have to come. Whatever it is, you have to come with me. Because if you don't, we won't meet again. We won't meet again.

That's right.

I was really mad at my mom. I mean, I was mad because sometimes when she was confused, she was like, you don't want to have this condition. This is how our condition should be. Because I'm in my teens, I hold money, I want this, I want that. Eventually there was a lot of fighting too.

But at this age, I feel like if there's no one we remember, it's just good.

Yes. I think if there's no one we remember, it's just the good things. Yeah, I guess. Right? I mean, it's like,

if there's no one we remember, it's just the good things. Especially the parents. So, that's it. I was really angry back then. I was screaming. But you're used to it.

And you feel like you can make money too.

Right.

Yeah, there's still ada, kik. Nggak mungkin lah kik, ego nggak ada, kik.

Pelik banget om itu, om.

Iya lah, sementara nyokap lu mungkin kan, oh ini kebutuhannya untuk ini, kebutuhannya itu. Betul. Itu masih mending lah, kik. Banyak orang tua yang anaknya jadi artis mah dijual.

Untuk mencari harta... Banyak tuh temen saya kayak gitu. I have a lot of friends like that. A lot of luxury. Their kids are always pushed and sold.

A lot of people like that.

And I'm so grateful to my mom when I was on my way to school. She said, usually, work goes to my mom, then to me. Then to me. So if there's a need, what do you need? Then I'll transfer it. When I started college, I started talking. I think I can just go to work.

I can just slowly get into Kiki.

And it's okay.

At first, I was like, you don't need a mom anymore.

Damn.

Damn.

That's not good.

That's not good. I'm in the gaslighting.

But I understand what he said.

You understand?

Because in my opinion, he lost his character. I'm jobnya dia hilang lho pak. Dan kalo jobnya mulai hilang, dia akan merasa bahwa ini lama-lama menjauh. Menurut gua gitu. Menurut gua gitu. Lu tau ga gua punya pengalaman lebih gila lagi? Bapak gua meninggal tuh gua umur 31. 31. Di saat bapak gua meninggal, di umur 31 gua, gua ga mengengan duit sepeser pun.

Oh yum?

Iya. Nol? I don't have any money. Really? Zero? Zero. Because all the money went to my father. 31 years. People won't believe this. 31 years, all the money went to my father. Why?

So, when I was in my 20s, I could earn money. My father was in the PHK. Okay. He was... My family was poor.

From poor to becoming a manager. It was an amazing journey. Until I became GM. It was a crazy journey.

The journey was very emotional.

From being a micro-led driver to GM of a company. Suddenly, I went bankrupt. I was in the PHK. After a year, I was silent. I saw that he was stressed at home. PHK. Nah, begitu PHK setahun gua diem gitu, gua ngeliat bahwa kok dia stress dirumah. Karena ga punya kerjaan. Jadi akhirnya semua kerjaan gua, gua alihin ke dia.

Gua bilang, ini lu kerja buat gua ya? Gua bilang. Sama lah kayak nyokap kan? Gitu kan? Ini papa mulai sekarang kerja sama daddy ya. Urusin semuanya. Itu uang semua gua lempar. Nah, dulunya sebelum dia... I threw all the money. Before he... Before he was still working, I threw all my money to him. Because he's the GM, so he managed this and that.

That's right.

Do you believe that when my father died, he was a fool, at the age of 31, I didn't know how to pay the electricity bill. Because usually, electricians are the ones who pay. And usually, the car workshop is the one who pays. And I let it be.

So, if the car is broken, it's the one who brings it. My car is the one who brings it to the workshop. Because I know, maybe psychologically, he's happy doing that, bro.

He's happy because that, bro.

She's happy because she has a job. There's something to do. Yeah.

If not, what is done is gone.

Right.

Yeah.

Oh, I see.

Maybe, people think like that.

But it's true. It's true. It happened to me too. My mom was like that too. When she didn't do anything, she felt... Confused, right? Not needed.

Not needed, right.

Not needed.

Oh, you don't need me anymore. I'm useless as a parent. I used to take care of you and try to make you live well until now. Oh, now you don't need me anymore.

That's how it is, Om. That's right. When I was young, when my father passed away, I took all the money, I moved it to me, I managed it myself, and so on. I was a bit of a fool back then.

How long were you a fool, Om? If I may know. So, you were 31 years old, and you were mature enough.

You were already married and had a child. At that time? At that time. I was in a daze for about 6 months. I didn't know how to pay my insurance. I didn't know where my insurance was.

You didn't know.

So, you didn't know about the police. I didn't know where my insurance was. I didn't know where my car insurance was. I didn't know everything. I didn't know how the electricity is going to be paid to. You had to pay to the LNA, right? I think it was like that.

So, using Resy and everything to pay is very complicated. Now, it's easier. How do I pay this? I don't know. But the difference is when my father passed away, my mother would tell me, this is how it is, this is how it is, this is how it is, etc. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to go.

I'm not going to go. I'm not helping my family. I'm helping my family. Sometimes, my mom is like that. Sometimes, my mom is like that.

We're nervous. But there are a lot of people like that. A lot of people. Lifestyle that can't be down.

But do you feel that the world is unfair? Or do you feel that it's not a problem.

But it's hard for a kid to think like that. I feel that the unfair world is more to the lost childhood. Not to make money. Not to make money. I think I'm not sure if my mom is good at talking about making money. Or I feel felt that way.

But that's one thing that's okay. But when I was young, I lost a lot of things that I didn't know. It's more to the left. Like, oh, you have a contact of your father on your cell phone. That's left. Like that.

Oh, you were once in the head with your father. That's what I'm jealous of. There are a lot of things that I'm jealous of. A lot of things, father and son, I think it should be...

Yeah, that's gone.

Gone. I never felt that figure. It's gone.

And do you feel that it changes you? Very much. Very much?

There are a lot of decisions that I really hit first, then I know it's wrong. I'm not going to be in YouTube.

My son.

Serious. He made a YouTube channel, his parents made a YouTube channel And he called himself My Son Seriously, so he made a YouTube channel for orphans But he called himself My Son So he said, My Son, I'm going to teach you how to change a tire

Oh, I know, I know, I know, I know How to change this, this, this, this Anyway, it's for people, people, people Yeah, yeah, yeah Men's work Men, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this Podcast, we can gather again. We can get a guitar to school. It's a nice and a deep hot tub. Yeah

Look at all the time

Anything I know that I'm a fucking thing to move on

Commission it is a global and a good thing. It's a bender under a kilo Give meo Jr. I look at Kobo Jr. I think, from my head, I think when Kobo Jr. is done, he's the one who's the most unworthy.

Yes, yes. That's true.

That's true. I think so too, Om.

You think so too?

I think so too.

I think I'm the most unworthy among my friends. I think I'm the one who survives the least among my friends. I think I'm the one who survives the least. That's why I'm studying.

Because you're afraid of that thing happening. If that thing is gone, I don't have a grip, I don't have education.

I'll be dead. What will my life be?

Okay, that's right. But you survive. Okay, let's continue. No, Om Brat, let's continue. But it's proven now that you're one... Well, almost everyone survive. Almost everyone.

Because I don't know everyone. I can't say everything. I know Bastian.

The only one close to me is you and Bastian. Yeah, Bastian often plays with Ombred too.

Almost everyone survive. But for you to survive, you have to change...

It must have a sacrifice, Ki. Yeah. Honestly, I want to survive, you have to change.

It's a sacrifice.

Yes.

Honestly, I want to talk about you. I saw you have Instagram, TikTok, etc. You suddenly changed to be a comedian. You suddenly can wear women's clothes. You suddenly can dance. That's...

I don't know, I'm wrong, but there's a point where you have to be low to go up. I don't know, but there's no difference like me in the podium. Oh yeah, I understand. So, it's not easy. But do you have a moment from from Kobo Jr. to now?

Oh, it's bad, man. It's bad, man.

It's like you're more proud.

It's bad. After Kobo Jr., I can be more proud because... how people from here to here can survive again. It's like going up and down.

So you fell down.

I fell down.

From Koboy Junior, it broke first.

It broke first.

Then it rose again.

Then it rose again, slowly.

Okay, I want to hear this. This is interesting.

In 2016, Koboy Junior disbanded. Iqbal decided to go to college. who was close to CK-in, Bastien, he's not anymore, because he's already in Solo Project. Then Kobo Jr. is gone. That includes... Thank you to Patrick Effendy. So he was the first one who said, I think you won't be anything among these four.

He said.

Shit.

Seriously.

I just said this, shut up, Ded.

You're crazy, Pat. But he tried to be realistic maybe. So he said, between the four of you, you're the one who won't be anything.

Yes, between the four of you, you won't be anything. Look at your friends at that time. Bastien, Nguorin, single, success. Iqbal, playing in the movie, Dylan, success. Aldi, making a single, B You're not doing anything, right? That's why you have to go to college.

So, if you prepare this thing that you didn't have in junior high, you can use it as your networking, your capital. But you have to fill your head.

Oh, but that's a good one though.

Yeah. He gave me a solution with college. I went to college. I went to college. Because the college college offline, there were a lot of schedules that I couldn't attend. I had to sing and shoot.

Even though it was just a little.

But you had to sing?

Yes, I had to sing. So, I had to do a lot of things. And then, the campus lowered my ego. How we were on stage as KUBU Junior, and we were seen as Kiki Kowboy Junior, suddenly in the campus that we have to support, we were still ordinary students.

Maybe there were some people who were like, I watched you first, this and that. But I thought I was here just to get the knowledge. Finally, the campus was really, even borrowed money for college. Because I was the only one who could work.

If I didn't work, I would have a lot of things to do.

You were the one who borrowed money?

Yes. I borrowed money myself.

You borrowed money?

Yes.

I said, this is for college. This is the proof. For the semester fee. When I got the money, I is for college. This is the proof. For the semester fee. Once I got the money, I immediately changed it again. It's a plus. Yes, plus. Whatever.

Can I know who you borrow money from? A friend? A relative?

Always to a friend or circle. One ring. Patrick is one of them.

Because I thought you asked me to go to college.

Yes, you're responsible. You're responsible for helping me. He said, I'll give it to you, but I'll give you a flower. Oh, you're a rent-a-neer, bro.

No, he's not a rent-a-neer, he's just Chinese.

No, he's not a rent-a-neer. But he also borrowed it a few times. And it's all done. I'm serious, Om. I'm doing this to make a living. Not to live, not to be a drug addict, not to have a lifestyle. I'm doing this to make a living.

But it's hard, right? I mean, for you to do that and you have to borrow money, and you use the money for real, it's hard. Because most people borrow money, and when they get the money, they don't use it for real.

It's true. I'm not saying that you're not a good person. I'm just saying that you're not a good person. I'm just saying that you're not a good person.

I'm just saying that you're not a good person. I'm just saying that you're not a good person. I'm just saying that you're not a good person.

I'm just saying that you're not a good person. I want to be a bandle, what if my mom is sick? Me too. Right? I want to be a bandle. But I'm not saying I'm really pure, I'm just afraid that people will think it's hard to be a good kid and be pure

when you slip a little. When you slip a little, you're like,

ahhh, I'm afraid.

Don't make a mistake, really,

you're looking for the mistake.

That's it. I just have a responsibility. But you were a DJ back then, right? Yes. Still, right? Still.

Until now.

Yes, until now. It's obvious. Back then, DJing and all that, it wasn't hard, right?

It wasn't hard.

You were a junior, doing all the fun stuff.

Yes.

I was in high school.

So, you went to college,

and you were in debt? Yes, I was in debt. I did whatever I wanted to do.

You never worked in an office, did you?

I did. How did you know?

I heard about it. You worked in an office.

Yes, I worked in an office.

Where?

There was an office in Alam Sutra.

You worked as an office worker?

Yes, I was a 9 to 5 office worker. As what? So, this company made about the brand entry, later we activate, one of the activations is voice over, so fill in the interactive voice, talk to customers. 9 to 5?

9 to 5, sir. Not KOL, right?

No, not KOL, a job as a worker.

Just a worker, 9 to 5? Worker. How long?

How long... It was almost a year, if I'm not mistaken. After that, I had a film job.

Was that during your college years?

COVID.

Yeah, during the COVID phase, I was still in college, because I graduated in 2022. Okay.

During that phase,

I was only 9 to 5, I was scolded by my boss. There was a talk from the office, this person is really difficult, that's why he took this job.

I said, yes!

But how do you feel? I mean, if people work in the office, I think it's normal. Because many people who study their careers work in the office. And their lives are comfortable working in the office.

But with your big name, suddenly you have to work in the office, sit with other people. If I were an employee there, I would look at them and say,

-"This is not..." -"This is not..." -"I know this person." -"This is not Iqbal's friend." -"I still don't know his name." -"This is Iqbal's friend."

Because for ordinary people, working in an office is not a problem. They are proud. Nowadays, people can work in an office, it's an amazing achievement.

True.

But if you look at it, it's a friend of the ego, it must be difficult. I really like it. Does your ego hit?

Of course. Of course, ego and idealism are all hit. It's said told that, is it really hard to be an agent here? At least I can only do this, at least I can't work.

You can't work, right?

Yes.

You can't work, right? At least I can't work, just prove it. And many people like it, many people like it.

Okay.

There are also many people who talk about it. But, just like that, just go ahead. I think I don't have any idealism anymore. I don't want to use it.

The basic is survival.

The basic is survival.

Survival is already an achievement.

Yes, it's bad. But I also feel like it's not good to complain. Especially now. For everyone, there are a lot of content creators who talk about influencers. Oh, being an influencer is tiring. No! It's not tiring to be an influencer. It's just a normal job.

You get 20 million once you post, there's no tiredness.

Yeah, if you talk about tiredness, it's a dog. I don't agree with people who say that being an influencer is tiring. It's tiring to be a skin.

That's right.

The muscles are affected.

The air conditioning service is getting better.

That's true. Right? The air-conditioning service is expensive. It's tiring. It's tiring.

True. If you're a doctor, it's tiring. Mentally, it's tiring. Mentally, it's tiring. The risk is high.

If you post 25 million, 10 million, don't say it's tiring.

It's true.

No.

Even though now the investor is also shaking. Because there are many short lot of jobs that are lacking. Now, the economic situation is like this.

True, 2025.

Yes, but when your ego goes down, you still work. Then what is your comeback?

Well, actually if you ask what the comeback is. So, when I was in the office, there was a series offer. Series offer, doing series, permission to go to the office. It turns out the office didn't give me. After that, I just kept shooting and shooting, and I was in the content.

So did you accept the series offer?

I accepted it.

But did that change your life or not?

Yes.

Did the series change your career or the content that changed your career?

The content that changed my career.

Okay, not the series.

Not the series.

Okay. That series is about work, right?

Work. And after that, thank God, I was shooting again. Shooting again, shooting again.

There's another shooting job.

There's another shooting job. I continued to work. But that didn't make you come back as Kiki, right? Yes.

You're just one of the famous Netroniki, right? Yes. But he's one of the most famous Mice & Neutron players.

Yes, that's right. That's right.

Because I personally don't know you, Mice & Neutron.

I'm a series for OTT.

Especially OTT.

Yes, it's more unknown.

People in OTT don't know you.

Yes, that's right.

And then, content. Content. What's the idea of you suddenly come back and being accepted by people? That's hard.

I think it's because at that time, before I started doing content, I saw that people will always compare me to Kubo Jr.

Okay.

They will see the similarity, oh, Kiki Bastian Aldi Iqbal. We see our value in handsome, no. In cool body, no.

Handsome is relative.

A little bit sweet.

Sweet.

But if it's funny, I'm in. I know what they don't have and I have.

That's it.

If it's funny and I dare to look different, people will see me as more... Oh, stand out compared to others.

But it needs self-deprecation. Self-deprecation is not easy for someone who's famous, who's praised, you have to be stupid.

You have to be stupid.

I mean, quote-unquote stupid.

Yeah, yeah.

It's not easy. Do you remember that moment? Of course. You remember?

Of course.

I was so excited.

I was like,

this is so cool. He made this. Why did you make this kind of content?

Wearing women's clothes.

Oh my God.

But I thought, I can survive from here. Many people like it, many people laugh, many people have fun. Basically, I'm survive from here. Many people like it, many people laugh, many people entertain. Basically, I'm just an entertainer.

Oh, you put the context, you're an entertainer.

Yes, I like it when people are entertained because of me. Because of anything, I play movies, I sing, I'm content. Basically, it's from there. That's why I love this job. I don't want to label myself as a singer. So, the context is when you're doing content, you're slowly coming back? Slowly coming back.

TikTok is popular, Instagram is popular, brands are popular. I'm heard. I know a lot. And finally, the film industry is open. Other things are open too. I was invited to PotHub. It was things I was invited to a pothub I was invited to a pothub, and it was one of the comeback moments

Thank you so much

No, you were invited to a pothub because you had a comeback

Yes, but it was just a big thing Now there's not Kiki Temen Iqbal, but Kiki Mantannya Prili

Oh yes, yes, yes Right?

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah We invited you to the podcast, you were already top. But there was a little jump because of that. Because of that, so the journey is getting more and more popular. It's really fun.

It's crazy. It's cool. But, so when you try to be funny, it turns out it works.

It works.

But funny must be works. But you have to learn how to be funny.

That's right. I forgot to mention, when I was a student and a carpenter, I was a carpenter in MLI.

Oh, you were a carpenter in MLI.

I was a carpenter in MLI. I made a call sheet, built a Muslim mosque. I built...

You built a Muslim mosque?

Yes, I was like, we're going to're on standby at this time tomorrow, we're also the instructors at MLI. So, I hang out with Coki, Muslim, Adriano Colby, one of them.

Because Patrick is at MLI, right?

Correct. So, I learned a lot of comedy from there too. The insight into comedy is from MLI. That's why a lot me, Are you an MLI manager? No, I'm just playing with MLI students.

You're not an MLI manager, right? No, I'm not. I just found out a couple of weeks ago. Oh yeah? Yeah. I thought you were an MLI manager.

But I was wrong. I just found out. Oh, that's why. I thought you were an MLE, but it turns out you're not. I just found out. Because...

Oh, no wonder. Sorry, Om. The first job at the port is to connect people with MLEs.

Yes, because that's the port of MLEs.

Yes, yes, yes.

Because your closeness with MLEs, you think, this is definitely an MLE management. It turns out it's not.

It means you have your own manager? I have my own manager. But sometimes, if there's a job in MLI, I'll be like,

-"Come on!"

Yeah, yeah.

It's normal. But the journey is so interesting, because I met a lot of people, a lot of people.

The journey is really fun. Well, if there are sometimes top. Dang, it's gone. I have to mention a name. It's okay, I'll mention a name. Yesterday, I asked during a meeting,

I mentioned a name. Where is KKI? Okay. One of the examples. Without belittling KKI. Because what I'm saying is a fact. The fact is not yet visible.

We checked yesterday. We checked, we saw the Instagram, the TikTok. The viewers were 2000.

Oh yeah? Okay.

Okay, I learned why. This kid who was once as crazy as that, as famous as that, Okay. I learned why this kid was so popular. He was so famous. And then, gone. It's just gone. I think it's because he wasn't ready at first. Because he didn't have the knowledge. He was just a truck driver. And he's not...

I'm a bit hard to talk without... But I understand. He's not smart enough to use that momentum. Until now, I still talk to Ayam when I watch his last video. It's true. We don't praise KK.

But I talk to Ayam.

I really love him. Why he's gone? If we learn from that, ...it means even a content creator can go up and down. Can go up and down. Do you ever think that,

if I was the one who lost my father, I have to sing, I have to join this competition, etc. My life is hard, I'm a junior cowboy, I'm exploding, I'm I'm going to be destroyed, I have to work again, and so on. I have to go up again, and so on. Do you have any fear now? What if these things happen again?

Or do you know how to survive after this?

The fear will always be there. Every day. survive after this? I wake up and I'm afraid that I can't take care of this ship. What if I can't be a good narco?

What if, what if, what if?

Every day. But I think that's why I do things that save money. Including one of them, I don't want to say how, but I'm aware of the insurance, like our previous discussion. That's one of our defense.

Our mechanism. If something happens, we don't destroy it.

Things like that, saving money, the habit culture must be surplus, how to save the money we have, don't use it for nothing. This is temporary. I always have this. I have that thought in my head.

So, you don't waste it?

There is an internet fee.

There is?

There is. But if it's really wasteful, I don't think so.

You're pampering yourself, right? Yes, really. But don't be arrogant. But don't be arrogant. It's different. Being proud of yourself and being arrogant is different.

Don't be arrogant. The important thing is don't be arrogant. That's the concept.

So, every time you have an opinion, you need to share it.

Yes, the share. How much percent should be here. That's what we need to do. To be smart, I have to. I have to. It's not that I want to be smart. No, I have to learn.

Because now, even like this, we have to try to save money when there's no job for the next six months.

That's right.

That's the rule. I don't know if it's now. Now, with all the PHK, maybe a year if there's no job. You can still survive and live. If you don't have a job for a year, right?

So you apply those things. If you have applied those things, the fear is still there. And so on. Is there a business for you? It's starting. It's starting for business.

Okay. Now, if you can see yourself now, until this moment, do you have any regrets?

I do have regrets, if I'm honest. But, most of them are no. No?

Most of them are no. Okay, because you're doing it happily.

Yes. So, everything has a reason. It's okay, we can continue. I saw my mom and she used my money for her children. It's the most effective medicine for me not to feel that I'm a money machine.

Okay, I understand.

Not for Elvie's disability. True. Not for Hermes' disability. I know that person. This is purely because of the family's condition. So, I saw how he treats his children. And it's proven that all of his children have graduated from college.

My greatest happiness as a child and as a father is to see my brother and sister graduate from college. And they can work.

They're working now?

They're working now. Mom, every week, I can provide whatever they want to eat.

So, your brother and sister also help your mother? Yes. They also help your mother?

Yes, with the course they can. Of course. So, we each have a responsibility for our family, and we can live comfortably and peacefully.

That's it.

That means you have a responsible mother. Not all mothers are responsible.

That's right.

I'm so sorry, guys. We can talk. We have a lot to talk about. If you want to share, you can.

Because you're responsible. Not like the parents. We can talk. We have a lot to talk about. If you want to share, you can.

Because you're responsible. Not like the parents.

Not like the parents.

Finally, I'm sorry, I'm bitter.

But if I'm like this, if your parents really... If your parents really love you, really care, really know how to prepare themselves, and so on, then whatever we do. But if we already know that this old man uses our money like this... ...just for his own pleasure and so on.

For his happiness. You become a money machine. You work all day long. Get away from there. I think. Leave it.

Wah! Thank you so much, Om Dad!

Because... I have a principle. Why do I say that, even though many people will blame me for saying that. It's normal, right? The only thing that's cut is that, leave your parents.

You didn't hear it from the beginning.

No, no, no, just leave your parents, we have to respect, but we don't have a fixed time.

If we have a fixed time, it means we have to follow all their wishes.

It's not certain that we are right, and it's not certain that they are right.

If we respect, it's okay, it's our parents who respect us.

Respect. What about the time? We have to be mature.

The time. The parents sell their children, it's there.

It's like that. Parents have their children left on the street, it's still there. They're told to miss school, it's still there. You still want to say that the parents are good. And they're told to miss school, it's a business. Not because of the needs, it's still there. So, I think we can't be equal.

Yes, I agree. There are so many. And that cycle has to be broken. The cycle has to be broken. I'm so sad when I hear my friend, especially my best friend,

talking like that. He showed me his chat, what his mom did.

I've seen that too.

You've seen it, right?

In front of your eyes. In front of my eyes, the kid asked me to work.

Anyway, the point is to buy bags, to buy this.

The kid wants to buy it.

It was really hard to talk to his mom.

But because the money was holding his mom. His mom was shopping and all kinds of things. And I know that's the kid's money. I know that's hard, but it's because of the money I got from my mom. My mom spends it on all kinds of things. And I know it's her son's money. I know it's her son's money. Wow, there's someone like that.

I was so mad. I was like, you're such an idiot. But sometimes there's a kid like that, and he can't get out of there. He feels like, but this is my mom. That's not how you play it. I know that was your mom, but not like this.î I was so confused. I told people, ìYou canít do this. Get out from there.î

I said, ìIs this clear? Whatís the difference with the land?î

Yes.

ìBut thatís my parents.î I can be confused, but I think itís because when I press it, ìYou donít appreciate my parents. Why did you say that to my parents?"

Oh, so it's emotional.

So, it's not logical anymore. If it's not logical, I'm wrong. I immediately said, I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Do yours.

You can't do it anymore. I can't. What debate?

If I'm already using my feelings, I can't debate.

That's right.

But, up until... How old are you, Sam?

27. I'm almost 28.

Almost 28. Up until now, at your age, until 28, are you proud of yourself?

I don't know. uh I don't know. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself.

I'm proud of myself.

I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself.

I'm proud sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I think I was a bit of a coward at that time. If you were your father at that time. Right?

Looking at the current situation, I think if I were a father, I would say that the road will not be easy. The road will be difficult. It will be lowered a lot. and It's okay. It's okay. You can be really angry. You can be really sad. You can be really feel like it's not worth it. But then you wake up again. Because in the end...

You will always have a way to survive. And you did it.

I believe you can.

Shit. That's the best way to convince me. But you did it. Thank you.

You did it.

I didn't expect the end would be like this.

But you didn't. But I... If you can't say you're proud, maybe I should. I'm proud of you. Like, seriously. No matter what, I think I'm a kidding. I'm just kidding.

So, why do I want to talk to you like this? Because I think you are one of the examples that... I told you before that when Kobe Jr. was still a kid, salah satu contoh yang... Ya tadi gue bilang sama lu bahwa di zaman Kobe Junior masih kecil-kecil pada ada di situ. Terus tadi Patrick aja ngomong bahwa, Lu mungkin salah satu yang gak akan bisa survive nih. Gitu kan? Dan kita kan harus belajar gak bisa meremehkan orang ketika orangnya mau berusaha sedemikian mungkin,

apapun dia lakukan untuk dirinya, it works. Jadi, kalau gue ngeliat lu, gue sih bangga banget. I'm very proud gue bisa ada di hidup lu di jaman hitam putih ngobrol sama lu. And then're on the top. Because a lot of people are having those problems and they cannot survive. They just stuck. They're stuck and they just thought, I just accept it. I just live my life. And then it's messed up.

For you to be able to owe someone, pay for college, and it's true, just to pay for college, I'm proud. Because now, there are so many people who lie to people to borrow money for one reason or another. But you borrow money to do something that you know you have to do. This is to keep my family alive.

This is to keep my mom proud of me. To keep her here. It's not easy. It's not easy. You know what? I know that I'm not… I'm still 50 years old. I'm not that old yet.

So, I mean, it's different.

Maybe your father is much older than me. And he's not around anymore. But, I mean, I'm not that old.

I'm not that old.

I'm not that old. I'm not that old.

I'm not that old yet. I mean, it's different. Maybe your father is much older than me. And your father is no longer around. But at my age, 50, if I can put myself in your brother's position, or whatever,

I just want to say one thing to you. I rarely see people who can survive with a desire like this, So, if your dad doesn't have a chance to say proud of you, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I have a chance to say proud of you, I will say I'm very proud of you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for coming. Thank you. I hope this is useful for the audience. Because many people nowadays, when they have one problem or another problem, they stop. Do you know that many people are Like, dramatizing the problem and playing victims for themselves.

That's it. That's it. This is who I am.

Yes, that's right.

So many.

So many.

So many. And so sad.

Yes, and so sad. Yes, and so sad. So, I'm very proud of it.