Lucinda Breaks Silence on Love Island Drama (no one spoke to me for days!)

I would never speak that way. Definitely not about another girl.

You know what, Lucinda? I could see that you wanted to be their friend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My intention was purely just to find love. But if someone's categorically telling you that they're closed off, you're not going to go for them.

We'll definitely get to Kieran. But did you feel like Sean was categorically with Belle?

I think.

Shh.

I don't even know if you've seen this clip.

For God's.

I can't even hardly watch this. If I knew that that would be something I would be talking about for weeks, I wouldn't even hardly watch this. If I knew that that would be something I would be talking about for weeks, I wouldn't have done that.

Let's go to how you saw a bell imitated your walk. You heard someone else mention this is a PR stunt, with many people saying that that was a straight bully.

I always like to get emotional. It was just really difficult in there, you know?

But Sean was there by your side.

He just constantly had my back.

We have community questions. Can you say, what was not aired? Are you a rage baiter? There's rumors that you've been dating while on Love Island.

Give us the tea. Listen to Stratford. Hey.

We need to talk.

We do.

We do.

We really need to talk. Can I say this? Yeah. You are fresh off a plane. Yeah. Like plane, quick stop at home, right here.

Yeah, it's been wild. It's actually been wild. I had about five hours sleep last night. The night before, I was on a plane, an overnight fly, and obviously I was with Sean and the rest of the Islanders, and I just was not up for sleeping.

I felt like I was so, my mind was just going insane. Obviously just got my phone back as well. So I just, I don't know, I just, I tried to sleep and I was like, this is not working, I can't sleep.

Was it the excitement? Is it just the unknown?

I think it was just genuinely being overwhelmed. You know, like I think obviously there was excitement there but there was also just being completely and utterly overwhelmed. And obviously when you get your phone back you genuinely don't know what to expect.

And I was so worried to get my phone back. So as I said, I saw a psych before and she said, what are you really, really worried about? This is before we got our phones back. And I said, genuinely, I'm worried about getting my phone back

because you just never know what is going on on the outside as well. And like, although I was myself in there, I felt like in there, I went through a massive journey and I feel like I was just being myself and sometimes that didn't go to plan

and people were opinionated on it. I just thought I don't know what the outside is thinking and I didn't think about it the whole time I was in the villa about the outside and it's only until it's over and you're like, okay, right now this is just

like a whole new thing that you have to deal with, you know?

When you got that phone back and you turned it on.

Yeah.

Were you shocked?

I was shocked. Yeah, I would say I was shocked. I, I just, I felt like people could see, understand me. I feel like that was the main thing. Cause I feel like in there, I think there was people that had their opinions on me

and there was certain situations. And at times I did feel like I was alone. And the fact that when I got my phone back, I saw like the love and people understood me and people liked my quirky ways and all of this. I thought, okay, yeah.

So I was shocked in that way because I wasn't expecting that as well. So that was just obviously, it was a nice shock.

Yeah, which is good.

Which is good.

And we're going to just unpack that whole Love Island, All Stars journey. But if we can even begin with Love Island, All Stars as a concept, right? Because this is the fourth Love Island show that you've been a part of.

So how would you define the difference between All Stars and then the previous Love Island shows that you've been on?

So I would say the three Love Islands I've been on are completely, the three other ones before All Stars are completely different. So Love Island UK was my first one when I was 21. I was a baby.

Yes.

And you could so tell.

Yeah. I had a very similar personality to what I have now,

but I guess I didn't stick up for myself as much. I was kind of just going along with the flow. Wasn't majorly like opinionated on anything really. I was just kind of there, fancied the guys. Nothing really worked out and that was it. I think I was in there for like two and a half weeks.

Okay, but All Stars though, you feel is different because I think that some of the perspective of some viewers is that All Stars includes contributors who have previously been on Love Island, right? But not just any contributors, really the more popular contributors who have been on.

What is it, the super vets? Right, the super vets. So there's this idea that, okay, anyone coming onto Love Island All Stars is less interested in finding love than if you were going onto a previous,

another type of Love Island franchise. So what was your intention going on to Love Island All Stars?

So my intention to going on All Stars was purely just to find love. I wasn't doing it for like any brand deals. I wasn't doing it for any more online attention. I genuinely just really wanted to find someone that I really connected with

and I can have a long-term relationship with on the outside. That was genuinely the only reason why I was on the show.

All right, so now, two thoughts on this. One is, there was this, I think there was at least one article that I saw that said that you were casted just three hours before you got on the plane.

Yeah.

Was that true? Yes.

Really?

Yeah.

So how? I was lying in bed, editing a TikTok, and I got a call on January like the 20, whatever it was, and it was from one of the casting people and they said, what are you doing? And I said, I'm just lying in bed editing a TikTok.

What are you doing?

What are you doing?

What are you doing?

That's wild.

Bearing in mind, I haven't had my hair done in ages. I haven't had my nails done. You know, obviously the important things.

Exactly.

I haven't planned anything. I haven't bought one single piece of clothing for this show at all. And he just said, well, there's a flight tonight to Cape Town. Do you want to get on it? And I was like, can you give me five minutes?

Hung up, right? Then I started calling everyone like,

should I do it? Should I not?

And I was so going on and off, yes or no.

Can I ask why? What was the vacillation about?

Okay, so the main reason was, because obviously I'd just done the games, I felt like for social media purposes, at that point, I didn't need it, to be honest. Lots of people go on there for more engagement and I totally get that, I love that.

And yeah, whatever. But I feel like for me, do I want a relationship? Am I ready for a relationship or not? You know, I was thinking it from a completely different stance really. And that's what I was going back and forth with.

I would imagine too is, are you also thinking what the negative feedback and the consequences of negative press?

100%, I was thinking there's gonna be press saying this is the fourth time that she's on Love Island. I mean, that was expected. And I was thinking, I mean, I'm, you know what it is, I feel like with something like Love Island as well,

you can be portrayed certain ways and sometimes it doesn't come out positive. And I hadn't been on UK television for almost five years.

That's right, okay.

Yeah, so I was thinking of that as well. I was like, I am really happy the way I am right now. And I wouldn't change anything of how I am right now and what's going on in my life.

And you had to make that decision in just a few hours.

Yeah.

That's a lot because I think that what people probably don't realize is that psychologically, it's a lot that you have to think about but then you have to put yourself in a mind state to say, okay, I'm now going to be away for how long?

Up to? Up to, I think it was up to six weeks.

Up to six weeks. You're not going to see family and friends during that time. You haven't prepared anything. You do wanna have some fits. Yeah. You know, Lucinda, you like to have some, yeah.

Yeah.

So you had none of that.

None of that. None of that. You said your hair. My hair. You hadn't done your hair? I haven't still done my hair in months.

Yeah.

It's ridiculous.

It is ridiculous. Yeah, I'm obviously so happy that I went on the show. I just can't believe that I did it and I can't believe that I had the journey that I did.

It just...

It really is incredible. Like to think that it started with you literally being signed up for this show three hours before flying to South Africa. All right, so your intention was find love, but you acknowledge there's also some other press men

that come with it.

Were you aware of who the other cast members were when you walked in?

So I watched about three or four episodes before I flew out. So I obviously knew the starting lineup because I watched it. I was bedazzling my skincare, as you do.

That's what you do?

Which in reality, looking back, I probably should be getting hair appointments

booked and stuff.

But I had no, obviously I had no idea. So I did watch it. And it did look like quite a dramatic season, even from the first few episodes, obviously with the whole Scott and, what's his name? The blonde one?

Can't even remember.

Oh, well, we...

Oh, God.

This is...

I'm not well.

No, but you're tired.

You're tired right now.

That's what it is, listening.

I'm absolutely shattered.

But anyway, with the Scott...

Yeah, all right, let's keep going.

With the Scott drama, it was just, it looked like a dramatic season, even watching it. And I was like, do I really want to get involved with all of that?

Do you feel extra pressure being a bombshell? Yeah. And how would you define, not even how would you define, what are you even told behind the scenes as like being a bombshell?

What does that really mean? Okay, so I was just told just to be myself, you know, and I actually do love all the Love Island production and I feel like they really supported me through the whole thing. But yeah, normally as a bombshell you want to go in and you feel the pressure to maybe cause up drama and stir the pot. But I feel like I obviously did that, but I was also getting to know people when I feel like it wasn't intentional

just to go in and cause lots of drama. Obviously, I did do a bit of that, but yeah, I did just wanna go in there and be happy as well. And I feel like that was the last conversation, actually I bring my mom,

I said, I'm just gonna go in there and just be happy. So that's what I did try and do.

That's what you did. So when you walk in, right, who catches your eye first?

Okay, when I walk in, I would say, for starters, the boys look so much better looking in person.

Oh really?

Oh wow, okay.

Yeah, but I feel like that is like usually a thing actually. So they're all just obviously really good looking, but I would say the people that catch my eye the most, obviously Kieran, Sean, and I can't really remember, I think it was mainly Kieran and Sean, to be honest with you.

Oh, and Tommy. Tommy, I really liked his personality as well, because he was really, he's really kind, and you can feel that, and I love that about him. But I would say mainly those three, three guys. Obviously at this point I didn't know anyone personally

and I do go off, I normally go off vibes and all of that.

All right, fair. And what about among the girls? Because you knew some of the girls previously.

Yeah, so I knew Millie, I was best friends with Millie when I came off the Love Island UK season. So it was really nice seeing her again. I hadn't seen her in a while and I've never fallen out with Millie. I think she's such an amazing girl.

And yeah, it just felt really nice because obviously it felt like she was my big sister. And then in there, it also felt like she was my big sister as well and she'd taken on that role again. And it was kind of like we just picked up where we left off kind of vibes, which felt really nice.

And I would imagine she didn't know you were going to be there.

Yeah, no, she had no idea. No idea. And that was actually quite nice because I felt like no one had any idea. It was like someone seen a ghost or something when I was stood there. I was like, is that Lucinda? Because obviously I had no idea. So I've seen comments and it's like, how did she hide it

so well? And it's like, I wasn't hiding anything technically. Literally you did not know. Do you know who is kind of paired off with who at this point? So I had missed a few episodes, five or six days behind really. So I didn't really, I don't think I had a full gist of what was going on.

But ultimately too, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you almost have to go in and basically work your way in to steal someone. That's pretty much how it's set up.

That is literally what a bombshell is. And I feel like, unfortunately, if you don't tread on people's toes at the beginning, you won't ever know what's right for you and what's wrong for you. That is just genuinely what you have to do

as long as you go about it the right way. That's what you have to do, as long as you go about it the right way. That's what you have to do, especially when I got given 24 hours to make up a decision. And I just went off vibes. I feel like at that point, you don't know them well enough, really.

You've known them for 24 hours, but you just have to go off vibes

and you just have to go for what's right for you. And you made within the 24 hours, your selection was?

Kieran.

It was Kieran.

Yeah. All right. Now, when you say vibes, break that down. Yeah. So it's looks, what else is in there?

Looks, how open they are. Cause I feel like if someone's categorically telling you that they're closed off, you're not gonna go for them. You know? So, well, maybe you will, but obviously if he's really happy with his couple, you know, you're not gonna go for them.

Obviously, that's a bit of an awkward situation being with someone that doesn't like you back.

So I'd imagine he then, your interpretation was that he wasn't categorically closed off.

Oh no, absolutely not. No, no, he wasn't at that point in time at all. And obviously I didn't get to watch him and Sammy get to know each other before. So actually when I coupled up with him, I didn't actually expect the reception that I got.

Because everyone was like, with him, I didn't actually expect the reception I got.

Because everyone was like, and it was kind of like a massive shock. And straight away, I was, I was upset. I don't know what was showing. I haven't had the chance to watch anything back, but I was upset straight away. And I did feel awful because I didn't realize that maybe they were closer than I thought, I don't know.

But yeah.

And then, listen, you just said the reception that you got. So what was that reception that you got?

I think it was initially, so they had a saying that was called charge it, and you just charge everything. So I don't actually know what it means, I'm still trying to work it out, but it means that you charge it to the game, so you just, it's whatever.

So when I chose Kieran, I think one of the girls, I don't know who it was, said charge it, and then Belle said, we're not charging that. And that was the comment that made me really upset because at this point I was only in there for 24 hours so I was getting along with all the girls and I've only been there for not long and when I heard we're not charging that I was thinking

right this is an issue that I've coupled up with Kieran. And I don't know what was shown or not, but Belle did apologize to me for that. And she said, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it like that. But yeah.

When Belle made that comment, was that the first moment where you realized that you might be an outsider here?

Yeah.

This is the first Love Island experience that I've had, coming on as a bombshell. Actually, I've only ever come on a bombshell one other time, which was Love Island UK, almost five years ago, and I came in with Millie. So coming in as a bombshell as the only girl,

this is probably the first time that you do feel like an outsider. And I felt like it for a long, I would say about a solid week. Yeah, where you feel like you're trying to kind of fit in, but it's not quite, you're not an OG.

You know what I mean? And you know that, and they know that. And that is slightly uncomfortable, to be honest with you. And I remember being quite shocked at that, to be honest, because I've never had that before. I've never, and other bombshells have come off the seasons

and said the same thing. And I've been like, oh, that's sad. But thinking, no, that was never me. And then coming in as a bombshell, you do need to have thick skin because you're literally like a foreign object,

you know what I mean? And it's like, even little things like there's no wardrobe space and you're just having to make do and everything else.

I can see how, it waits on you.

100% it was waiting on me, yeah.

Yeah, because you, and even to your point of just even the wardrobe. Yeah. So you have to, so literally no one made space for you. So you just have to keep pulling your clothes out of your suitcase.

So you had mentioned Belle. Can we do a deep dive on Belle? Because the most popular clips from this series mostly are with you and Belle.

Yeah.

Okay, so had you ever met Belle? No.

Previously? So I remember watching her when I was younger and I'd never met her before.

Okay, what was your impression? Like were you looking forward to meeting her, excited or? Yeah, I would say I was excited to meet her.

I think, obviously, when you've seen so much about someone, I would say she's like a Love Island icon, to be honest with you.

What do you think her first impression of you was?

I think... her first impression was me was probably... a bombshell that's gonna come in and still guys and cause carnage. Probably.

When you went in, Belle was with Sean. Yeah. Okay, all right. So, and he had caught your eye initially. Yeah. But you chose Kieran first, right?

At what point does your attention, your focus kind of drift to Sean?

I felt like very soon. Kieran is a great guy, but Kieran will also say, the chemistry was just not chemistrying, you know? And I feel like he, yeah, Kieran is an amazing person, but I was very much like, go back to your gal, go back to Sammy, and I wish you guys the best,

genuinely, because it was like, I wasn't really feeling it with Kieran, and I feel like with Sean, just the whole time living with him, we would always just come back to each other. And it was always like in a friendly, flirty way,

a bit lighthearted. Obviously he knew I coupled up with Kieran. But we just had banter and we were just always bantering with each other. And yeah, it was always good vibes with Sean. I knew I was always gonna get on with him

whether we were in a couple or not, you know? Yes, yes.

So it was very quick. Yeah. That you knew Sean could be the one. Yeah. But you knew also, right, that Sean is with?

Yeah, Belle.

With Belle.

Did you feel like it was categorically with Belle or just temporarily?

I think...

I can't wait to hear what you have to say to this one. I think...

I can't wait to hear what you have to say to this one. I think that obviously he was with Belle, and I think they obviously did fancy each other. You could see that. But I think he... He always said that he liked me and that he fancied me, obviously,

from our first conversation. And that was maybe on day one or two and he was saying how he did fancy me and things and I knew that, but I didn't really know what was going on with him and Belle really. I feel like they weren't that close. I don't know because I wasn't part of the relationship but from watching

it I don't know if they were that close. But yeah I don't know what Sean, maybe he really did. I don't know. I don't know. You know when you don't wanna speak for people?

Right, because you don't know. So this is the reason why, listen to, I have clips for us today. Oh. For us to take a look. So I want us to take a look right over here.

So this is a clip.

What?

Yes.

I don't even know if you've seen this clip. I haven't watched any of it back. Oh really, you haven't seen any of this? Yeah. Okay, so this is going to be great live reaction.

Stop.

So this is a conversation with Belle and Sean, okay? It's an early conversation with Belle and Sean. You ready for this?

Can we?

Yeah, okay, go, go, go, go.

I'll be straight up and honest with you. Lucinda and I have had a couple of chats, flirty chats. We've just gravitated together. I've got something there with Lucinda.

Is it, yeah?

I don't know if it's going to work. And I am really sorry.

Three days, Shaw. I've actually... Three f***ing days. Our connection has been solely based on the loyalty that we had for each other. Yeah. Look... I don't want that! No, I understand.

I f***ing get that. Is it not going in? Look, but I understand.

Is it not going in? Look, I don't know why you're shouting.

Because I'm fuming, mate.

Well, I can't help how my feelings have felt. You go away! But that's you. Can you not comprehend that? Had your back every step of the way. So what your feelings in three days you want me to bleed that something? Really? We've been at this shit for two weeks.

Do you know what? You've made your fucking bed. I hope it was worth it. Lay in it and stay there.

That was the craziest thing. Watching that in person as well. It was like jaw dropping.

Yeah.

Obviously I knew that Belle would be upset and I knew it was a conversation that we had to have, but I was not expecting that reaction.

So now, given that moment, how difficult did it become to spend time with Sean, with Belle also being there?

Extremely difficult. It was the most difficult thing ever, to be honest with you. It always felt really awkward, which is fine. I know she was upset. She was really hurt, and you could really feel it

and I was trying to apologize to her. She wasn't having any of it to be honest with you. But when we did talk, it was like, not the best conversation I've ever had. Coming, I felt like she was saying, she was kind of saying some things

about my personality and things, which isn't the nicest thing ever, but I am quite an understanding person and I just kind of just brushed it all off and I was like, it's fine. Yeah, that was kind of the beginning of everything.

To be honest, I think that's the best way to put it.

The beginning of everything. So there is another clip that I'd love to show you. So there's a few, but there's another clip that I'd love to show because I think it depicts what you're saying of how challenging it was to spend time with Sean, with Belle,

being so close in proximity. So take a look at this. Let me know what happened, what your thought was.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I am a bit like annoyed, I'm not gonna lie, because I feel like the way that you treated me through the whole Sean thing, and like the way that you shouted at me,

came from-

The thing you shouted's a stretch.

Calling me all these names basically made me feel so unwanted here or something.

I didn't make you feel unwanted here

and you know that's a lie. No.

But you were shouting at me, Belle. And also you were... I didn't shout. ...calling at Shaun as well.

You laughed in my face. You kept... For a start, for a start, no, I didn't. My life, I f***ing didn't. No, I didn't. This is another attempt of you trying to get involved in my f***ing business.

This don't concern you.

So what are you sticking your nose in for? Liam, you're in a good place.

I'm not playing in every situation.

This is a super situation.

Off, man.

Not f***ing doing this to you. It's none of your f***ing business and stay out of it. What I find interesting about this is that you're looking at this and you are lighthearted about it. Yeah. You know, even though that's a very contentious conversation. Yeah. With someone calling you an f***ing idiot a few times. Yeah.

You're still cool, calm and relaxed about it. You know what it is with me? I actually feel like I'm just, I'm quite like a bubbly, non-serious person. And I don't know where this stems from, because I genuinely am not a very serious person. And even watching that, I think, I really hope that, you know,

she's okay. I don't want her to be annoyed and shouting at me and I feel like I hope she sorts it out, whatever's making her so angry.

So you stand by this though, to this day, you believe that she was a hypocrite?

Oh, 100% Belle was a hypocrite.

Does this become another moment where you feel even further on the outside?

Yeah, 100%. I feel like...

So you felt as if at that point, almost everyone was against you?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, apart from Leigh-Anne. But even then, I do feel like a part of Leigh-Anne also thought maybe, who are you doing this for?

You know, and we did have conversations about that as well. And I said to her, obviously I'm doing it for me, but I'm doing it for you as well. We're doing it, it's not who I'm doing it for, it's just genuinely how I feel. And I feel like she has been a hypocrite

and someone needs to tell her. Because I do feel like there was parts, there was some times in that villa where it was like one rule for someone and another rule for someone else, you know? And you could see that a lot.

So when you just mentioned that about Leanne, are you saying that she was almost suggesting, possibly, that you were disingenuous? Like you were not authentic? Yeah. Okay. Was that a prevailing thought among the group?

That you were not real?

Yeah, but no one ever said it to me about this disingenuous thing, and I had no idea about it. But I could feel it, I could feel that I was slightly idea about it, but I could feel it. I could feel that I was slightly outside of that, and you know what, I was fine with it. I was like, you know what, whatever.

But, and that has to be incredibly tough within a siloed off project, right? Because you're not interacting with anyone but the people who are there. So you have no idea what the perception is of the public. So if you have everyone in the villa telling you

you're not real, disingenuous, then you're probably thinking the public is thinking the same thing.

Yeah, and that's exactly what I thought. And I didn't know, it was the craziest, I can't tell you how weird it is being in there and feeling like the whole world is against you.

That seemed to be, for the audience, that seemed to be a turning point.

Yes.

But inside you, it seemed to be probably a low moment.

Yes.

If not the lowest.

I think my lowest moment was when Maya came in, the presenter, and we did a game, and we all had podiums on the game, and each couple was by a podium and we had to say who we thought was the biggest game player, who we thought was in here for clout.

And in that game was my lowest moment in the villa. I genuinely, there was points before that that I wanted to leave anyway. Really? Yeah, 100%. I was saying I don't wanna be here and this isn't fun,

but I really wanted to stick it out for Sean. And I felt like at the same time it is hard in there, but this will be the only time that me and Sean will be in there without a phone, in our own bubble. That's right. And you have to look at the positives of life as well.

You can't just think, I don't get along with some people in here. Cause in life there are people that you don't get along with. And why would I let that ruin my experience? So a part of me was thinking that,

but that night was definitely my loudest and the morning after.

Have you seen that clip of you in the game?

Running off.

Yeah, in the game and what was said.

Yeah, yeah.

Would you be comfortable if we look at it to get your opinion of it?

Yeah, perfect.

All right, let's take a look. This is what the, to be honest.

Yeah.

Lucinda and Sean. Lucinda, I think that you love the drama, you love to get involved, you love to start the pot, you'll be giggling about it. It's a game being

played here. What have we been involved

in that wasn't our business?

F***ing everything, Sean. Leanne's situation. The re-gobbling speech.

Pying the face to Sammy. Pie in Sammy's face, thank you, Belle. For a valid reason. For a valid reason.

Pie's a pie at the end of the day, right?

I wish I was laughing again. I'm gonna have to laugh.

Have a laugh, babe. You know it weren't funny. Everyone knows it weren't funny.

The only one that was laughing was you.

I can't keep a straight face.

It's lovely that you've shown your true colours of who you really are on the outside and I'm happy that's being shown.

That was just mean.

It's true. That was just mean.

You guys are just way too serious.

Yeah, like genuinely.

We need to chill out.

You need to go and f***ing help a tree or something.

Like, this is too much.

And we've apologised to everyone.

Did you apologise to me when you made me cry yesterday? This is what I mean, and I'm unaware. It's giving PR. Fine.

Glycinda?

Oh, no. Dave?

I remember the morning after that was the first time that I woke up and I felt like I genuinely had no one to smile to, you know? And it was better if I just stayed silent. I genuinely just didn't wanna speak to anyone

and I didn't want to talk because if I spoke it was anything I do, you know?

Was wrong.

Was wrong.

You may not know this, but that particular episode drew over 11,000 Ofcom complaints, which is one of the highest complaint tallies in the show's history, with many people saying that that was embarrassing and straight bullying. Did you feel as if you were bullied?

This is an interesting one because when one of the girls asked me, do you think you were bullied? I said no. A, because you're all standing there staring at me. Yes. And I'm not gonna, I don't want to get into that right now, you know? And I was actually happy, we actually said we were all gonna move past it that day and I was happy to move past it and not say yes,

then that's a whole other situation that would be going on. I don't know whether I was bullied or not. I mean, I've never, I don't think I've ever been properly bullied before, so I wouldn't have anything to compare it to, but I did feel on my own at times,

and I obviously was very, very upset. Whether it's bullying or not, I mean, if it's got that many off-com complaints, possibly. or not, I mean, if it's got that many off-com complaints, possibly, I mean, there was definitely a group of people in there that definitely didn't like me, and whether I did one thing to someone else,

it was like they would all just stick up, you know, it was like a group.

You know what, listen, this could be a good teaching moment for you. Yeah. Let's talk about what the definition of bullying is. Yeah. Because it is a popular word that I think is thrown around

sometimes appropriately, sometimes not appropriately. So bullying is when you have someone who has been antagonized, typically multiple times, but that person is on the lower end of a power imbalance. So perhaps it is your junior to a boss, or perhaps you are the only one of a large, of a group, right?

Yeah. So there's a power imbalance plus being antagonized. That together makes bullying.

Wow.

So given that definition, do you believe you were bullied?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what it was.

Yeah, because if there's no power imbalance, that's conflict.

Yeah.

But the moment that there's a power imbalance, you switch to, you are now being bullied.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, that was exactly what it was. It was like I had, in that moment when I was talking to Maya, I genuinely had no one to look to at all, apart from Sean. There wasn't one single person in there

that I felt like was my friend. It was literally just Sean. And even that night I went to sleep, I didn't want to talk to anyone. I woke up the next morning, I looked around the bedroom and I was like,

there's no one to even talk to, this isn't fun. And I remember I went outside and I just cried my eyes out on my own, but it wasn't showing because it was just outside the front door. And I got brought in and they said,

you can't be out here on your own crying. I mean, the production was amazing and the welfare was amazing as well. And I was just in the beach hat in my pajamas and I was like, I genuinely do not wanna go down there. Not even into the girls' dressing room

because it's awkward. And I remember, I think I even walked into the girls' dressing room before sitting outside and I walked straight back out again. Because to face being with all of them in that room, I genuinely couldn't do it,

because it was like none of them, I felt like none of them liked me, you know? That was the main thing. And, yeah, that was definitely the hardest moment in there. Thinking that none of the girls like you do you begin to think that wow and the public is going to feel the same way about me? Yeah and that's when I was like I don't know whether being here is a right decision obviously I would never want to leave though because of Sean and it was just like that was just constantly going through my head and it was I would never want to leave though because of Sean. And it was just like,

that was just constantly going through my head. And it was, I would never, I would never do that to Sean. I would never want him to leave because of me. So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try and enjoy this.

But it was proving really, really difficult.

What do you think too? Cause seeing, when you look at that clip right, you had already walked in, but you, after you walked in, you saw that Belle imitated your walk, you heard someone else mention this is a PR stunt. Yeah. What's, what's,

what's your response to that? They would never do that to my face. And they never really did. So, you know, they did it when I was walking away. Obviously, I have seen that clip online, and it's not nice whatsoever. I think that was where the line was,

it was just getting completely out of control.

Yeah. You know?

Yeah, it was clear in that clip that it was many against you and Sean. just getting completely out of control. It was clear in that clip that it was many against you and Sean. Sean was there by your side.

Yeah, always. He just constantly had my back. And it was just like, that's what makes me like Sean so much. It's just like through thick or thin, he is just there.

Yes.

I'm starting to get emotional. It was just really difficult in there, you know? I feel like I've never had like girls talk like that about me ever. So it was just, it was hard. It was really hard feeling like I had no one, but I feel like with me, it's that I get, I feel like I get overwhelmed and I can forget things really quickly as well. So I feel like I would then wake up and want it to be like a new day,

like, come on guys, let's move forward, let's not think about this anymore. And it was just like a constant, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

It was a lot.

Yeah.

You know, and I think, I, you know, quite honestly, I can't even remember being in a situation where I felt like I was the only one.

Yeah.

You know, so that amount of pressure.

It's still, it's difficult, it's difficult. It's like, yeah. And it was more as well in that moment. I just didn't know. And I just felt like I was just on my own with Sean.

What was not seen or not aired that you felt was important? I just felt like I was just on my own with Sean.

What was not seen or not aired that impacted, you know, that made you feel lonely?

I don't know what was seen and what wasn't, but there was times where I spent a lot of time on my own. So I was in the girls' dressing room and I just remember there was a scene that I just remember I was crying in there and I was touching up my makeup

and then another team would come and I would touch up my makeup again. But I don't know if that was seen. I haven't seen any clips of it online. One of the girls came up to me to tell me something and then a certain like another girl would shout her name and kind of cut off that conversation. You know, she would go like straight over to them. Does that make sense? Yes. So I was back on my own sunbathing. To keep you alone. Yeah. But like bullying was never going through my head, you know, because I wouldn't ever

think that I'm getting bullied, you know. So I never thought about it like that. I just thought, oh, I just don't really get along with these group of girls. I don't mind my own company to be honest. It wasn't like a big, big deal. I love sunbathing. So, um...

Win win.

So I didn't really think too much of it.

What about like food? You know, like, you know, because you have to eat during the day. Yeah. So you would have to, even if it's off camera, would you eat with the other

contribs? Yeah, so off camera I would normally sit next to Leanne and Helena. Okay. Yeah. I never, there was moments where I'd go like days and days without talking to certain individuals in there because they kind of, when I would, when I'd be part of a conversation, it would be like, you know, we weren't talking to each other, you know what I mean?

So this is interesting, I didn't know that. You went days without talking to certain people there?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow. Can I ask, there are a few more people that I wanna go through, but even right now is looking at just the Belle situation, are you able to forgive her?

Yeah.

You are.

I think I do forgive her. I do feel like I've got emotional intelligence where like I don't really, I think there's a deeper thing with that and I'm not here to obviously do that, but I feel like I do forgive her

and I hope that she's not angry anymore, you know? Okay, okay, fair, fair. but I feel like I do forgive her and I hope that she's not angry anymore, you know?

Okay, okay, fair, fair. Parents of teenagers, are you listening? You know I've got two sons, Liam and Kingston. They're 12 and 15 and their world moves fast, a lot faster than it was when I was their age. The pressures they face are different and they're constant and I spend a lot faster than it was when I was their age. The pressures they face are different

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the villa. Yeah. All right. What I, the whole relationship with Sammy is that I knew of her. She obviously did the show and then I saw a video of me at a PLT event, an event, and people are posting that as part of the reason why we're really close, which is not the case, well, that was, we were basically strangers then.

And then I remember I went to a trip with a brand to Vegas together. From start to bottom, I think the trip was about three days long. Vegas is about an 11 hour flight. It was a hard trip.

It was like working, like from, I think we woke up at about five or six a.m. in the morning and we were up until about two a.m. at night shooting for this brand, it was crazy. So, went to Vegas, came back,

felt like we didn't really properly get to know each other at Vegas because it was such a busy, busy trip. And then, I actually went to the Brits and I was with one of my friends in our hotel room, we stayed in a hotel together,

and she said, oh, Sammy's gonna come in the hotel room. I'm friends with her, and I said, oh, perfect. And so we knew each other, we were chatting after the Brits, and then about a week later, a brand asked me to go to Tulum, to Mexico.

Said, who would you like to bring? And I thought, oh, you know who would be perfect for that, because I was also helping the brands out as well. So, Sammy would be perfect. I'll message her, and Sammy said, absolutely, let's go. So, that trip was about four days long, and we went to Tulum together, and we did have a really fun time,

and that was it. And then, obviously, after the trip, we just stayed in contact here, there, and then that faded away.

So was that the moment though, when you chose Kieran, you think that's really what created that divide between the two of you? Yeah.

Okay. And obviously with Belle and Sean, it was like Belle and Sammy then kind of, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, with Sammy, was she one of the cast members that you would go days without?

Yeah.

Yeah. So she wouldn't speak to you, you wouldn't speak to her for days.

Yeah.

That's incredible. I didn't know that you could do that in the villa.

Neither did I. Neither did I, but I was, I got used to it,

at points, you know.

Yeah, how many days did you go without speaking to Sammy?

Days, it got to a point where, so me and Sammy were getting ready next to each other. So our dressing tables were next to each other and even to the point that if my makeup bag was like two inches to maybe her side, she'd go, Lucinda, can you please move that?

I'd go, yeah. And it was like, that was the only time we'd really speak. And I always tried to kind of like, you know, speak, I feel like we, mine and Sammy's relationship, friendship, was very kind of like, actually it was never up,

it was always just like normal, and then dips when I had an argument with Belle or something happened with Belle. And then obviously there were certain things that happened between us, so it would always dip,

and then it would dip for a long period of time, and then it would kind of go back to normal, but I knew that it was very frickle when it was normal. It was never gonna be. Up there.

You know? Yes, yes, yeah. I guess, you know, is it that, you know, some people, at least I've experienced this, where there's some people that I realize I'll never be close with them. Yeah. You know, at best we're going to be,

not even friends, we're going to be associates at best. Yeah. Do you feel like that's the situation with Sammy?

Yeah, and I think Sammy does have a good heart and I think we are just completely different people. I think that is just the way to put it. I did try and apologize to Sammy that evening, I think it was, and she really, really didn't, she was not having it. And it continued that way. And I think I tried to apologize to her the next day,

still not having it. It was like, it was absolutely, this pie was absolutely not, yeah. She wasn't gonna forgive me, ever.

This is my perception, so I'm not saying this is the audience. Yeah, 100%. But I feel as if you walked in there and the perception was that Lucinda, she's a villain.

Yeah.

Like, she's a villain, you know? She could be a super villain out here, right? But then, as the series went on, the perception changed to, wow, you know, she could be a victim with what's happening. And the perpetrators of that victim could be Belle,

it could be Sammy, et cetera. But from their side, perhaps, they could be thinking, no, we were just edited poorly. Yeah. So what's your response if their position is they were edited poorly?

I would be interested to know what examples they've got of that, I guess. I don't know what they would mean by that. I'm actually happy for the editing because I got to see everything that she was doing behind my back, actually.

Because I don't have eyes behind my head, so I can't see her doing certain things, obviously. I know that we're not gonna be friends. I think I'm saying this now after seeing the exit interviews as well.

So it's raw?

Yeah.

If we are thinking about Sammy, there is one clip in particular that got a lot of attention. That was even referred to from the previous that we saw, and it is the pie clip.

Yeah.

Can we take a look at it?

Yeah. Okay. Might quickly go a look at it? Yeah.

Okay.

Might quickly go check on the girls a sec.

Oh, God.

I can't even hardly watch this.

You can't look at it?

Because I just know what has been like the line with this pie. I had no idea it was all going, that it would be such a pinnacle moment in the whole entire show.

And why do you think it's become that? And also, for anyone who's not familiar, it's pie, Mary.

Snog, Mary, pie.

Snog, Mary, pie.

There you go, thank you.

I had no idea when I pied Sammy that that would be something I would be talking about for weeks. And I wish that was an exaggeration. I think even on the last, we did this like last supper

and we were all sat having dinner and it was even brought up then. And I was thinking this, if I knew it would be going on for this long, to me it was, the reason why I pied Sammy was because she had, like she was quite opinionated with the whole Sean thing

and I felt like she was never really there for me really through that whole thing and I kind of wanted to prove her wrong, you know, and be like, oh, me and Sean are, I would never, I actually said after, I said I would never make another girl upset

just for why not. Me and Sean do have a really good connection and I can't wait to prove you wrong. That was the reason why I applied her and I genuinely thought it was gonna be more of a, and maybe this is where I need to be slightly more serious

because I thought it would be more of like a, okay, prove me wrong situation or maybe a bit annoyed for a couple days, but I didn't think it would be going on for that long. It was literally like weeks and weeks.

Can we, can I show you another clip? Yeah. Now I have an opinion, but I'm going to hold my opinion until after.

Okay.

And this is a clip, I think this is with Jessie.

Yeah.

Okay. So this is someone else, but she's talking about your personality.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know you love to rage bait. You throw a little something in there whenever you think there's gonna be a little fire. I don't physically rage bait to piss people off and I don't actually rage bait.

But I'm not gonna lie to you, I think you do. I know you from the outside. I've not seen you in a long time. I think that you're a lot smarter than whether you like to be perceived or you come across because you do like-

I can't blame myself. I can't blame myself. I can't blame Dr. Alan. I know, but I think... I'm not underestimating. No, I think you're underestimating. This is a compliment, but also in the sense that I think that, you know when you do the baby voice, it's like, well, why did I...?

What, so you think I'm doing that baby voice on purpose?

It's the one for... It doesn't make any sense. Why is Jesse the one?

No, my friends, it's kind of nothing to do with you.

What other situations have you been involved in, Lucinda?

I've been really sapped back up. This is literally about me.

She's looking at us.

I don't know who you're looking at cos all these people will probably agree with me over you right now. I'm gonna keep lying. This is when I check out. Oh, this, okay. Because you can speak to me if you want to and I'm not gonna hit you.

You're not, it's just like,

you know you're gonna make yourself

a little bit quiet. This is where I will cry.

Yes. I'm trying to be here for you.

If you wanna be like that,

then that's on you. baby voice, but then also what Jessie said, a lot of people here would agree with me. Right, so basically saying, you're wrong, we're all right.

When actually they were saying the opposite, which they showed, they were saying, what's going on, why is she doing that, you know?

Yes, all right. So let's start with baby voice.

Yeah.

All right. So this has now come up a few times. What's your response to Lysinda and the baby voice? Is this something you do or don't do?

It's just something I've always done my whole life. Obviously I wouldn't do it now with you. You'd like to think that. But I just, I've done it my whole life. And it's actually really funny. I've been home for about 24 hours now.

And I saw my friends yesterday and they actually said watching that show, you were more yourself than we've ever seen before. You were obviously so comfortable and saying your silly things, your control alt deletes and your baby voice

and this, that, and the other. You could tell that you are obviously being yourself and that's probably because of Sean, you know?

Yes.

So you're here on the record saying you do the baby voice and you stand by it and there's nothing wrong with it.

Yeah.

All right.

100%. And I'm sorry, more people do the baby voice than they think, you know?

Can I say, what do you think my response is to the baby voice? What do you think I'm gonna say? You think I stand?

Yeah, you think it's like normal, not normal.

But maybe not quite as normal. No, no, but do you think I think it's like normal. Not normal. But maybe don't go as far as normal.

No, no, but do you think, I think it's normal.

Yeah.

It is 1000% normal.

Is it?

This is what I got frustrated with with this clip. And whenever I've seen people say, oh, listen to talks in this baby voice. So there is something called communication accommodation.

Oh, okay.

Now, do you know what this is? This is something that 50 to 80% of people do.

No way.

What it means is that when we are in conversation with people, different people, we change our pitch of our voice, we change the tone, we change the pacing, and women typically go up in pitch and go up into almost this baby voice, you know, sound. Yeah. And talk a little bit faster. Yeah.

You know what men typically do? What? They go low and they start to get real slow in their voice. This is something that we, almost all of us, do at a certain point in time. And so, I guess what I see when I see this is I say, yeah, she was doing the baby voice, and that's what most people do.

They change their voice. This is what they do. Communication accommodation. So I'm with you on this.

Especially when like, you're in like, an actual relationship with someone in there that you really actually like.

Exactly.

All my friends do that with their boyfriends as well.

It's just like, I don't know what it is. It's just,

I'm just being myself. I'm not thinking about like, the cameras and stuff. I'm literally just talking, having a conversation with Sean and just really kind of like just being the way I am. I don't know. I've always kind of done that.

I'm with you on this. Yeah. But now let's go to, are you a rage baiter?

I need to know the definition of rage baiting

because I feel like I don't do things to annoy people on purpose. need to know the emotion of anger or fear and then the feeling from that is rage. No. So you're saying that you don't do this?

Absolutely not. Okay. I do not, I don't want people to be angry or fearful or anything like that. That's absolutely not, I'd never do anything to create anger from anyone.

What do you think?

Well, one is I'm just really getting to know you now. I think the number one, my number one takeaway so far from the conversation is I think you're misunderstood. I find that the response to you is really interesting because you are 26, you're a young woman. I think you're just now coming into your identity

and who you are. And the most profound thing that you've told me today, truly, is that you walked into this villa feeling whole.

Mm.

When you feel whole, your voice becomes strong, but it's that internal voice of who you are, like you stand on business when you really know who you are and you love yourself. I think you walked into this villa for the first time on television, and you were you. Mm. And when you are bold in who you are

and unapologetic and uncompromising, a lot of people are not going to like that. A lot of people won't. But you know what?

That's life.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter. Because as long as you like you, the people who are attracted to that boldness and that confidence will be attracted. And it seems like that's exactly what happened with Sean.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that's my interpretation so far.

Yeah, that's interesting. God, I didn't actually think of all the deep, complex, I just thought I was really upset in there. You know what I mean? And now I've come out and I'm like, whoa.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

There's layers to it.

There's 100% layers to it.

There's always layers to it. Can we talk about some other folks?

Yes.

All right. Can we talk about, let's talk about Millie.

Yes.

All right. So Millie is someone who you mentioned you knew her prior to.

Yeah.

Then you come into the villa, you kind of rekindle. It seems as if she really stayed by your side as your sister.

Yeah.

Millie has always been an older sister to me. When we were best friends, we were really super close. She was always a big sister role, you know? Before we stepped into the Love Island UK villa almost five years ago, she said, how old are you?

I said, I'm 21. And she said, she was 24. She said, I'll be a big sister in here. Chloe actually came in and we all became the naughty trio, which people loved. Because Chloe's treaded on toes.

And coming back into Love Island, All Stars, it was really nice because it was like we just picked up where we left off. And it felt really nice to always have her. And I genuinely felt like the whole time when I was in there I could go to her about anything, you know?

And she'll give the honest opinion.

Yes. It seems like it was, what would you say, Millie and Sean that really got you through this?

Yeah.

Yeah, really, really did.

All right, if you've made it this far, I know you're loving the conversation. So please do me one small favor, hit that bell icon, join our community. Thank you. So, Sean, the quick thing that I just want to, or ask you about Sean is, do you believe that you are in love with Sean?

Yes. Yeah. I think I, at the beginning, I didn't say I love you back straight away. And that caused a bit of something I've seen. And to be totally honest, I definitely could have said it,

but I wanted to wait and just, I don't know. I think as a girl, you just want like another really cute special time. You can wait a little bit, but I definitely could have said it, you know?

Okay, so you felt it?

I felt it. There were so many times even before then, I kept wanting to say it and I just stopped. And I think what I have with Sean is like, I've never experienced anything like it before in my life. Like, it's just so like,

I don't even know how to even explain it. Like, I genuinely feel like he is like the male version of me, but in the best way possible. Okay. As in, we've got quite similar, we're very similar with like our humor

and the way that we are, but also at the same time, he sticks up for me. He is just so loyal. Like, he's really loyal. And I feel like, yeah, I just can't believe that I met someone like him

on the show. I kept saying to the producers, where the hell have you found him from?

I'm so happy.

Yeah, well, it's incredible. You know, too, to think that that's the reason why you came, why you went on the show, and then boom, you find Sean. When you think about, so this is your fourth time in a love island.

You've left with others before. What makes Sean different than the other love islanders that you've paired off with?

Sean is genuine. That is like the main thing. He doesn't want clout. He doesn't want, he doesn't want all of that coming with it. He is just genuine and he just genuinely loves

me. You know? Yes. Yeah. I mean, to the point where I've seen some people comment to say he may love you more than you love him.

Yeah.

What's your thought on that?

I think, I mean, I don't know who loves who more.

Fair.

There is something that I want to share with you.

I just want to say, I am so, so proud of you and I absolutely love you to bits. I literally cannot believe we met in the villa and we got a life outside of it now. It is crazy but you are the best person in the world. Honestly how do you carry yourself, you're a role model, you're inspiration, never ever change for anyone. You Your funny, ditzy, clever self. I absolutely love you to bits. You absolutely smashed it in there.

And I am so excited to meet all your friends and family and give them all a big hug. And I just want to say, I'm so proud of you and you should be so proud of yourself. Literally can't even put it into words, but I love you lots and I'll see you soon.

I'm so, so proud of you.

Oh!

He is just the best.

Who is that?

That's my boyfriend. That's my boyfriend, yeah.

That's your boyfriend?

That's big.

It's a big statement.

That is big, but he is just genuinely, I've never met anyone like him before in my life. And on this show, the one big red flag that I've realized coming on that show or coming on Love Island is that a lot of boys are not genuine, a lot.

You're saying that are on reality TV shows?

Yeah. Well, yeah, probably reality TV shows, but with my experience, it's on Love Island, a couple of guys that I've dated from Love Island are just... They're not, it's not a genuine thing.

It's giving, I don't know what on earth it's giving, but it's like, you just think that they just want all of the fame, maybe. And the high insights and stuff. But he is like, completely the opposite.

I heard he's picking you up after this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's picking me up.

There you go.

He's picking you up. And then where are you two going?

We're going to my house in Brighton.

Look at that.

Yeah.

To meet your?

To meet my family.

Oh wow, so he's going to meet your family tonight.

Yeah.

This is big. He's meeting like my whole entire family, all my friends.

This is big.

This is big deal, but they obviously absolutely love him.

Yes.

You know, I have a very transparent thing that I wanna tell you. So I have been doing reality TV for a long time in the dating genre. And I have begun to feel, as you just mentioned, about feeling a bit saddened by how few people are actually joining reality TV shows looking for love.

I completely agree.

Yeah.

I think it is it's much harder for people casting now because it makes sense that people want to build up a profile but you also should be on a dating program looking for love. It's becoming harder and harder and harder. So when I see a couple form on a reality dating show, I normally look at them as a skeptic. So seeing you and Sean, I can't say that I was on the,

okay, this is real, real. But truly, sitting here, listening to the words you've used, looking at your expression, you use words like, I feel seen by him, I feel safe with him, right?

Looking at your expression, I can see you are in love with this guy. Like you truly are. And I believe he is in love with you. And for that, I'm so happy for the both of you.

Thank you.

Yeah, it's beautiful. And when you got your phone back, was he with you?

He was, yeah, I was petrified getting my phone back, honestly, and I remember I was on the phone to a psych who was absolutely amazing, like this woman that works for Love Island and ITV, she is amazing. And she put things into perspective for me a little bit, but I remember I was telling her,

I am just absolutely petrified, genuinely, because at that point, I didn't know anything. I knew that there was times where I was, obviously felt very isolated in there, I felt slightly on my own at times, could that be the same on the

outside? You know? And now that you've seen the reaction, what's your response?

I am just genuinely happy that people understand me and kind of get my personality and get my humor as well and kind of understand it. It was very overwhelming in a good way, in a good way, but not in a smug way at all. It's kind of like in a way that it's like, that's really nice like in a way that

So we have another surprise, lots of surprises.

I've loved this podcast with all the surprises.

Oh my gosh.

That video of Sean.

Winner, right? Winner. He's the best. So we have community questions. So we reached out to the community, to the We Need to Talk community and said, hey, we've got Lucinda coming in. What questions do you have? So we have questions from them. These will be good.

These are gonna be quick and good. Let's see. I will reach in. Let me see. Let me see what we got.

Okay.

Lucinda, do you think some Islanders treat it more like a career move than others?

Yes. I'm not naming names.

Okay. No, no, no TT. Just T. Yes. Okay. All right. Next one. Why do you think it'll work with Sean when your past Love Island relationships haven't lasted very long?

Okay.

I think it will last with Sean. Well, a lot of reasons. Obviously, I touched on the fact that I think he's really genuine. There was a lot of early red flags that I ignored in my previous relationships that I haven't had this time at all.

I haven't had any red flags.

Okay.

All right. Next one is, there's rumors that you've been dating while on Love Island. Give us the tea.

Okay, this is absolutely not true. This has been an ongoing rumor for a long time and it's actually about one of my friends. I haven't actually spoken to him in a long time, but I work closely with his brand and people keep saying that we're dating

and this, that and the other, and that is just absolutely not the case. Like, we're genuinely just friends. And there's even a picture of me on, in Tulum. And that was literally on a brand trip. And it's like, people are taking things out of, out of.

Context. Context. It's like they had an argument on a beach in Tulum and I was actually filming a TikTok and he was helping me film it. And I,

the phone ran out of charge whilst I was mid filming this TikTok. And I was annoyed that the TikTok got deleted. And it's like people are saying, oh, they've gotten this argument because they're dating,

and it's like he's nothing but a work friend, and it's just like, what on earth is going on? You know?

Yeah, so, all right, so you're putting that to bed.

Absolutely.

Never dated, never, you weren't dating on Love Island. Currently, Sean is your only-

Oh, absolutely. on Love Island, currently Sean is your only exclusive,

you're not in an ethical, non-monogamous relationship with anybody, Lucinda?

Yeah, no, I'm absolutely not doing that.

Okay, all right, good deal. Oh wow, okay. What really happened between you and Chloe Burrows? You seemed really close before. Full disclosure, I know Chloe.

Oh, do you? Yes, I do. Yeah, I know Chloe. Oh, do you? Yes, I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chloe's hilarious, and we just basically distanced ourselves from each other. And that was it.

I feel like it wasn't a major, major deep thing that people are making out, and I've seen some crazy rumors. And I just want to say here that I have not been with anyone's ex or kissed anyone's ex or flirted with anyone's ex.

That's absolutely not the case. I've seen like some wild rumors, but I moved to, so I live in Brighton and when they moved together in Essex, it just eventually just distanced, you know?

Yes, yes, yes. Fair enough. Yeah. Next one is, tell us honestly, do you low-key enjoy being the center of the drama?

I don't think I low-key love being the centre of the drama, but I think, I genuinely think my personality, for some reason, it is just something, especially on Love Island, in my personal life, it is not this dramatic whatsoever. And I was telling Sean that, I said, by the way.

It's gonna be boring.

Yeah, it's pretty boring. I spend time with my family, my mum, my brothers, my cousins and my friends. And I live in a little village near Brighton and it's very just chill. And it's like when you go into something like Love Island, there's all these big personalities. Sometimes you do find yourself the centre of drama and it's not the fact that I love it. Sometimes you do find yourself the center of drama and it's not the fact that I love it, it's more the fact that it just comes to me

in that kind of environment, you know?

Now, I have one final question. Every guest gets it. Okay. It is my favorite question.

Okay.

You have had, listened to some incredible conversations throughout your life. Which conversation stands out as the most memorable? So who was it with and what did you learn? Ever? Ever. In my life? In your life. In your 26 years of being on this planet. Stop! Yes, yes. Which one stands out?

Okay, I need to think about that. Stop it.

Really, seriously?

Okay, this is really seriously happening. Yes. I need to actually concentrate for a second.

Okay, all right.

I won't say anything, just focus.

Okay, I remember speaking to my Nana when she was passing away, and she was just saying how proud she was of me, and that she thinks I'll go far and just live my life to the fullest. And I think that sticks with me a lot.

I feel like also just conversations with my mom. My mom I look up to so much. And I feel like she genuinely, the words that she speaks to me and everything, she always uplifts me and she's always just the best. But I just can't think of one

certain conversation with my mom. I mean, but the one with your mom, the one with your grandmother, I think that's beautiful. How old were you when you had that conversation

with your grandmother?

I was 13.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow. What do you think your grandmother would

think of you now?

I think she would be so proud of the woman I've become, honestly. I think she would be so proud of me and she would be fighting my corner like Sean. Yes. You know?

Yes.

You know what, listen, I think you're super. I think that you have grown so much just in the five years that you've been on my radar. Yeah. And I believe truly that your voice is going to continue to become bolder and bolder. And that, to me, is what life is all about. It's about like we fight so hard to identify who we are, then feel comfortable in who we are, then fall in love with who we are.

And I feel like you are finally at this place where you're falling in love with who you are.

Yeah.

And that is beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. are. Yeah. And that is beautiful.

That's beautiful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

So there you go.

Thank you.

Thank you. Lucinda.

I didn't realize how hard a time Lucinda had in the villa. You could see that Sean definitely was a saving grace for her, but also Millie was as well. I believe many people are unsure about what bullying actually means and could be being bullied,

but are unaware. And when we're able to discuss that definition, you could see clearly that from Lucinda's perspective, she was being bullied. I know there will be people that say, come on, Paul, this is ridiculous. No, it's not.

I will debate you every day of the week if you can tell me with a straight face that you have never modified your voice. Tone, pitch, pace. If you've never modified your voice, then come see me. But we all have. We all do it. We're trying to, you know, increase attraction.

And so the fact that Lucinda will switch on a baby voice, I have no issue with that. I've probably changed my voice five times this week. Just wanted to say, if you enjoyed this conversation, Just wanted to say, if you enjoyed this conversation, I know you're going to love this one.