Lucky Bisht on Dawood, RAW, ISI, CIA, Unknown Gunman, Secret Operations & More | PT- 2 | @RJRaunac

Thank you for watching the first part of the podcast with Lucky Beast. Thank you once again. This is the second part of the podcast. A lot of people were waiting for this. It's a very interesting episode. Do watch the full episode because we talked about our agents,

about the spy network, about the unknown gunman, about Dawood Ibrahim. Welcome to this episode of The Ronak Podcast.

Let's start.

In 2017, a lieutenant colonel from the ISI landed in Nepal. Welcome to the show They don't even want to touch them Next day, they say, they will give four fingers to Pakistan They say, mix DNA once The whole of Pakistan is shaken

They say that Rob was involved in this operation Who is agent Lima?

How much information do our agencies have about Dawood? Where we are sitting, there is Ashoka Hotel nearby In Ashoka Hotel, Mumbai police arrest two people To kill Dawood? We are sitting here, next to Ashoka Hotel In Ashoka Hotel, two people are arrested by Mumbai Police To kill Dawood Both of them were ready But think about the network of that man

He found out sitting in Pakistan That Ashoka Hotel is planning to kill me

This seems to be an accusation that In earlier governments, there were many such leaders

Who told the enemy country the name of their own agents Sir, if all our leaders were strong, Pakistan would never have become a nuclear power. During the Kauta operation, we had all the blueprints of Pakistan. But the prime ministers of our country, who were searching, they personally called Zia-ul-Haq. They told him all these things. I personally called them and told them everything And believe me, within 24-48 hours

They found and killed each and every one of our agents Have you ever done any covert operations? I have done a lot of covert operations Has it ever happened that your cover has been blown? Has anyone recognized you? Once I was at the airport and I met someone

He recognized me I recognized him but I forgot what I told him last time

A man has been caught With 6 Ukrainian citizens Caught in Delhi What's his name? Matthew Vandy What is this man? What was the operation?

How were they caught?

This is the story, sir

Okay

This is the one

Yes, this is the one in the media

This is the one in the media

This is the second part of the story. It is not there anywhere, but I try to tell. How much information do our agencies have about Dawood? Where is he? Is he alive? Is he sick? It is shown in the film that he is in a state of death. And one scene also shows that I could not kill Dawood. So we are also asked from our agency that why have you not been able to kill Dawood yet? So tell us about this. Sir, actually, if Dawood's date of birth is around 1951,

then today it will be around 75 years. So, there are many questions as to why we are not able to kill Dawood. Actually, whenever any country, see Pakistan is not our state, it is not a part of our colony, it is a separate country, a free country. Whenever any country protects a person, the entire government of that country, or a person in a country,

or the secret service, then I say that it is not impossible to kill a person. Now I will explain you a small example. Today, India takes the responsibility of your security. The entire army of India protects you. Our agencies protect you.

Is there any power on earth that can harm you? Even if America puts all its power, Britain puts all its power, the world can't touch you. So it is very easy to say that why have you not targeted a person yet? So to save one person, the whole country, their entire army, their entire ISI is there. Now why are we saving? Because he loved Dawood very much.

He had business with Dawood. Because every illegal business is done by Dawood. So Dawood will die. I am telling you, suppose he dies. So even after death, there are two reasons that people will never know. The first reason is that Pakistan has never said that Dawood Ibrahim

is in their country. If Pakistan ever discloses that Dawood Ibrahim is dead, then what will Pakistan answer the whole world? That is, it is misleading the whole world. Because today Dawood Ibrahim is not an underworld don. After the 1993 blast, Dawood Ibrahim is a terrorist. There is a difference between a terrorist and an underworld don. So even after death, the first thing that will happen is that Pakistan will never tell.

Dawood is dead. No matter where he is buried. Second thing, after death, Pakistan will not want the world to know. 10, 15, 20 years. Because Dawood gets money. For example, you are the owner of a shop.

10 of your workers are working for you. If those workers find out that their boss is dead, now the ones who are earning every month will keep it themselves. Because the boss is no more. Now no one is going to ask for it. So what will happen in the greed of the economic greed after 10-15 years

that it is alive. Thirdly, I have told you every movement 24x7x365 according to ISI, it is running. I will tell you one thing,

suppose we go to a meeting through an embassy. 5 of our vehicles have gone inside. Five of our jets are black. Five vehicles have gone inside. We don't know who is inside those five vehicles.

Because the whole jet is black. When someone is coming from inside those vehicles, you will be able to find out who has come. We also go to a meeting. For example, we also go to a meeting. Or through an embassy, we also go to meet someone, or through MBC, sometimes someone is called for a meeting, so the cars go, they come back in it, leave it, we don't even know who came and who went.

So sir, look at Dawood, if you have heard one thing in India, that maybe the incident of 11 July 2005, you can check the exact date, sitting right next to this Diljam, there is an Ashoka Hotel nearby. So, two people are arrested in Ashoka Hotel. Mumbai Police.

Okay.

Vicky Manotra and Farid Tana Shah.

Okay.

And there was another name in it. But I am not saying that it was a name. Our Mr. Dowal's name was mentioned in it. At that time. To kill Dawood. Both of them were ready.

But you think about that network of that person. He got to know sitting in Pakistan that Ashoka Hotel is planning to kill me. And where does he deliver that information? In Mumbai. And some Aslam there, at that time there was some Aslam in Mumbai Police. He comes and after coming, he arrests both of them from Ashoka Hotel. Although it is said that this is the work of our intelligence and for whom are we doing this work? But still Mumbai Police does't believe in this.

Because Vicky Manotra and Farid Tanasha were wanted. As a criminal, like you have seen Dhu Nandhar. So maybe if at that time, the government, 2005, because they knew the accurate location

where the Daoud movement was going to take place. If the people who are watching the movie today, it was also in 2005, but in 2005, the government did not take action. They stopped it there.

So what is shown in the film that at that time they did not take so much action, now they are taking.

It is an incident of 2005, I am telling you, Ashoka Hotel, you can check the records of the government today. That Vicky Manotra and Farid Tana Shah were arrested, or not. But if you ask Mr. Dobal about it, he denies it. R Madhavan has played the role of Mr. Dobal. He says so. There is a scene in that, when he quits smoking, he also cleans the ashtray.

He keeps it in his pocket so that no evidence or DNA is left. Is this the case? For example, suppose they have not gone to Dubai officially and they are not officially meeting there. In future,

if any Dubai government or any agency wants to prove that they were in Dubai they can't say that if DNA is left there it means that you came here sometime back, that's why your DNA was there.

The reason to keep that cigarette in your pocket is that my DNA should not be lost here. That I was present at this place. That thing is shown in this, sir. But it was not shown officially. But if Vladimir Putin comes officially, then he says that what we hear, as a security, for example, I will tell you an example, any part of my body, in today's time, science has gone so far, I know what is lacking in my body, for example, if my BP is high, I have this disease,

you don't know my weakness, if you want to know the weakness of any part of my body, then the country doesn't want to give its weakness. Who is the most dangerous person in the world? The one you don't know about, is the most dangerous for me. The more you know about him, the easier it is for you.

So, it means that if people are telling their things on social media, it is dangerous. So, how much to tell in life should depend on you. Many times you think, take an example, America is telling everything, but America knows how much to tell sir. How much to tell, how much is important and how much reaction will be there in the world by telling this, this country tells only that much and we feel that we have learned a lot sir. You have seen an example of this, that Avistain file, Avistain file, that it will leak, it didn't leak, what do you think that without Donald Trump's will, Avistain file will ever come out sir?

Correct.

It will never come. It was supposed to come in 2019. In 2019, Trump was the president there. Today, the Austin file comes and first of all, what do they show? That Donald Trump's, what people saw, they saw. America doesn't care. Donald Trump or the West says, we are like this. It makes a difference. The rest of the world is the government.

Understood? The whole world was blackmailed for the Epstein file. Because people said that Donald Trump is like this and everything in it is real. Tell me one thing, if everything is real, then why doesn't anyone else come in Britain except Prince Andrew? Do you think that Prince Andrew goes to Ukraine and brings the girls? The royal family will not know this and MI6 don't know this. I was listening to a interview of a big journalist from India.

I was very sad to hear this. He said that there should be a law like Britain where Royal family arrested his own brother. They said that such a law should come in the country. So I said to the general, sir, please come to the ground. Why did you arrest Prince Andrew? They didn't arrest Prince Andrew because he exploited the girls. Find out why Prince Andrew was arrested.

Because today MI6 found out that Prince Andrew had told all his secrets to Jeffrey Epstein. When Prince Andrew went to different countries as a ambassador, he was having a business meeting. So Prince Andrew told Jeffrey Epstein all his secrets. And today MI6 came to know that Jeffrey Epstein did the same.

So Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested for exploiting girls. It has been shown to the world that we have arrested him for the exploitation of girls. That he was associated with the Ephesians file. The real story behind the arrest is that you sold the kingdom of this country.

Who is Agent Lima?

Agent Lima is a code of the R&W. But it is mis-connected sometimes.

Why?

People say that whatever killings that have happened, like in Nepal, a killing of Lal Muhammad in 2022, in a high society area. So, it was a very big network of money, a very big network of green currency. Same thing you saw in Dhundhar, the money of Pakistan worth 60,000 crore something. His name was Javed Khanani. So you can consider Lal Muhammad as the rightful owner of ISI. In Nepal? In Nepal. He was killed in 2022 in a high society.

Who killed him?

An unknown man.

So in that also, the name of Lima is added.

So your name is added.

No, but they say that it is not so. You are not saying that meaning. No, it is not like that. People say it. And secondly, there was a big business tycoon. So, it was Kewal's work. Now, I will say the name, then it will start from there. I took the name in between, then the message started coming from all over the world. So, he also got killings.

Where? In Nepal, his name is Jameem Shah. He is a big business icon. But the big business icon is the same ISI guy. Same Dilshad Beg Mirza's Agrika Network. So he was also shot out.

Who? Agent Lima?

Yes. And then there were two killings in Uttarakhand. He was also named in the same armed dealing. What was the name in armed dealing? They used to supply big weapons. If you listen to JD Atyakant in Mumbai, a famous crime journalist was killed in a midday. The pistol also went through these people. So, two boys were shot dead in that case.

But I was picked up in that case. In Jutrakhand? Yes, in Jutrakhand. So, people say that Agent Lima and Lucky Beast are the same. But there is no evidence. So, people are saying that.

So, there is no evidence?

No, there is no evidence or is there a connection? No sir, you can do anything without evidence. There is evidence for everything in the world.

You tell the reality.

If I am agent lima, then all the cases will come on me. Why? Then you are not agent lima. Otherwise, all the cases will come on me. So the case of killing in Uttarakhand killing case, has it been resolved? It is being resolved, sir. I am a respectful person.

Who killed him? I don't know, sir. All the people who have died, someone is killing them. But, sir, there is only one good thing about the scenario. All the people who have died, it is different if someone has killed them. But you tell me one person

who has died a good person. All the people who have died, all the criminals, terrorists, those who supply weapons, those who kill innocents, the enemies of India.

If not a single decent person, then whoever is killing, he must be a good person. Because if someone is killing a wrong person, then it must be a good person, then whoever is killing you, will be a good person. Because if someone is killing a wrong person, then it will be good. There is a saying in the world.

There are some wise people.

They say that when you have not given your life, then you do not have the right to take it. This is said in the movies. And do you know how long it feels good? Until someone dies. If one of them loses his own, then he leaves all this philosophy Then he comes to the ground Ask the man who lost his life You think

Some people went to celebrate a picnic Someone's husband was shot Someone's child was killed Go and ask them Today 18 year old Children are being martyred in the borders

Ask their family They will tell you the truth Someone's child has been in jail for 20 years in Pakistan, the dead body does not even come to the body, go and ask them. It is very easy to say that to take life, tell them that what they say that there is no right to take life,

go and tell this speech to Maulana Masood Hazar, go and tell this to Ashim Munir.

Why?

But still, many YouTubers have made videos about Dhurandhar That it is a propaganda movie, in which only the government of India has been praised The politicians have been praised No, no sir, tell them that you go and do this work, we will praise you openly The YouTubers who are saying this, that they go and do a work beyond that So there is a guarantee that I will keep praising him for 3 days.

And I will keep praising him for 3 days that this man has done a good job. We have not talked about the government yet. We have not said that he has done this for the government. We have told what has happened. But if any of you goes beyond that and does a job, then we will keep praising him for 3 days.

We will say that he is our hero for 72 hours. Tell me more. No, his objection is that why do you need to tell this? Sir, why do we need to tell this? Sir, why do we tell history? We will not talk about our own texts.

Any Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, every person tells their history. Why do we read about Shaheed Bhagat Singh? Sikh, Christian, Christian, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Sikh, Christian, Many of your heroes have sacrificed their lives. And these are the people you know. There are thousands of people whose names we have not heard. So, they are saying that even after living in so much pain, a person tolerates every pain so that you can live in freedom, in your homes, and your family can live well.

So, it is important to say that. In the film, there is a dialogue of Ajit Doval sir, I mean R. Madhavan. When they catch Hamza, ISI, and torture him, then he calls them and says that you have a son of ours. They don't say that we have an agent, a soldier, an officer. You have a son of ours.

So in this, even though they call him a son, people have caught him saying, he is a boy. So this... People have also said that he is a boy. Sir, let's explain this. Those who have seen the movie, the character played by Ranbir Singh, was he officially enlisted in the army? No.

It means that you cannot force him to work. He is not a part of the army. But one person, the character played by Madhavan sir, Dowal sir explained to him, that who are our actual enemies? Who are they trying to destroy our country? How are people dying in our country?

One boy heard this. He understood, sir. He didn't go for any selfish reason. He didn't go for selfish reasons. So when a person is going without selfish reasons, then understand that a father will say what he thinks of his son.

He can't say that it is not forced. For example, he got me signed that you are joining the agency or leaving it. Sign this in 2000 pages. He said, sir, I didn't do anything. But still, to say a child means that in today's time, in today's time, where a son does not listen to his father, sir,

I am telling you a small thing, he gets married and starts living with his wife in another house. He forgets those parents. But in the words of a person, a man is leaving everything and going to die So he is more than a son for him So as far as I think, he said it because A child does not listen to his father Like this person listened to me

So I say that he is above a child at that time A story is going on on social media You tell me how much reality is there in the story A lieutenant colonel from Pakistan comes to Nepal And he disappears from Nepal Later it is reported that he was the officer of the Pakistani army who abducted an Indian citizen from Iran, Kulbhushan Jadhav

And took him to Pakistan Later our agencies picked him up from Nepal So is this connection right and this news is right? Sir, actually, our Kulbhushan Jadhav, a business tycoon, ex-naval officer, He is doing his business. He was in Iran for his business.

But what she does here is, she traps ISI and takes them with a reveal group. She takes them from Iran and shows them Balochistan. And after showing Baloch, she shows the whole world that we have caught an Indian spy who was funding in Baloch. Means, they do terror funding in Baloch. Or they made our business icon, who has no meaning, a spy. Means, they made a terrorist in Pakistan.

They made him appear in front of the whole world. Now what happens is that he was put in jail. The matter went to the International Court. He was hanged. But a few days before that, you must have seen

the matter of Sarbjeet Sir. How he was killed in jail. When the Pakistan government thought that India will take him back. There was so much pressure was put on Pakistan.

But what Pakistan did was, along with some internal terrorists, they got them killed in jail. So, this is March 3rd, 2016. I think March 3rd, 2016. When Kulbhushan Jadhav sir was arrested.

When ISI arrested him. Yes, ISI arrested him and showed him to Iran. Right sir? But, the story is that Pakistan is expert in terror funding. So any agency in the world, whether it is ours or anyone else's, one agency knows that the entire work of Pakistan's fake currency is done in Nepal.

In the big casinos of Nepal, Pakistan's money is invested in ISI. One of them is Royal Casino. And this is the time of KP Oli's government, 2016-17. In 2017, a Lieutenant Colonel of ISI lands in Nepal. This is probably on 7th April. I think 7th April 2017.

Gate can be up and down. 7th April 2017. So on 16th, Kulbhushan Jadhav is caught. On 3rd March, after a year, 7th April 2017, So on 16th, Kulbhushan Jadhav is arrested. On 3rd March, after a year, This colonel comes. He comes to Nepal. There is a place called Dumni in Nepal.

Why did he come? He came to Pakistan's casinos. From where all their terror funding comes. It comes inside India. But this thing, anyone got to know. Suppose our agency got to know about it. They disappeared. But Pakistan misleads the world so easily.

Pakistan says that our Lieutenant Colonel, his name was Colonel Mohammed Habib Zahir. He retired in 2013. ISI showed him retirement in 2013. In backdate. In backdate, they showed him retirement. And what else did they show? They showed that our Lieutenant Colonel needed a job, so he came to Nepal for an interview. I am saying that the Pakistan army is the richest army in the world.

There is no army richer than the Pakistan army in the whole world. You can count any army in the world, in this world, Pakistan's army is the richest. And the poorest people are there. The poorest people are there. Why corruption? Corruption sir, the entire people of Pakistan. Yes, the poorest people. Why corruption? Corruption sir, the entire fund of Pakistan.

I heard that the cash was 2000 crores. 2000 crores, but it went to Ashim Munir. It fell in the bathroom and gave his password. So it fell and went to Ashim Munir. So what happened is that they took it. But Pakistan

managed it in a backdate. They managed it that we have retired. We have a decent lieutenant colonel. He has gone to Nepal for an interview. People of Nepal are going to the whole world to work. He is going to Nepal to work.

Right sir?

So, what happens then? Whatever it was. But someone told Pakistan's ISI that you have arrested an innocent man

What did he say? He said that you have arrested an innocent man, Kulbhushan Jadhav sir He said that he should not be harmed He said that the act you did with Sarbjeet should not be touched in Pakistan Whoever said this, he said that he is our gold He said that no connection with the spies, but why Pakistan? He said that because you also have a missing diamond, which you are looking for like a mad dog.

This was called to Pakistan? Yes, from any corner of the world. So he said that how can I believe that you picked up my man? He said, yes, you are right. He said, you are right. He said, what happens next day,

He gifted four fingers of right hand to Pakistan. He said, mix DNA once. He said, do you have a diamond or not? He said, these fingers are because you said, You have retired, these are my fingers because you said that I am retired. You will not shoot me in 2013. So, you don't need to bring your fingers.

So, from that day till today, this Lieutenant Colonel Mohammad Javed Abib, I don't know where he is in the world. But he has given a message to Pakistan that day. That if anything happens to our Kulbhushan Jadhav sir in jail, then this time four fingers have come, then the whole body will come. And this was in 2017?

Yes, in 2017. So since then?

Since then, we don't know anything about Colonel Habib, that where is he in the world, where is he on earth. But Pakistan also knows this, and the one who has taken this, also knows this. Just gave a message, Just gave a message to Pakistan That the mistake you did in Sarbjeetwale It should not happen again

Is there any update that after that Gulbushan ji was not tortured No torture after that And India gets updates from him

If India wants

Whatever internal information is there When Habib Colonel may disappear This information is also available So his family also went to meet him Internal information, when Habib Colonel is missing, we get this information So his family also went to meet him Maybe they are from Maharashtra

So what is the last update, any idea, when will they leave

Sir, the government is still there, because I told you that Pakistan and India are the two biggest enemies of the country It is the biggest enemy of the country And as I told you in the beginning, Pakistan is not a part of our colony. And Pakistan is controlled by the army more than the political pressure. If Pakistan was a democratic country,

it would have been a great success. If Pakistan was a democratic country, it would have been a great success. But Pakistan is controlled by the army. And the army and terrorists work together.

So we have to by the army. And the army and terrorists work together. So you can see the army as a terrorist. So it is very difficult to remove something from a terrorist's place. But this does not mean that our country never forgets its citizens,

no matter who has done a little work for this country, even if he has not done it, he never forgets his citizen. His biggest example is Colonel's four fingers.

They say that Rob was involved in this operation.

Sir says that R&W is involved in this operation. Because they made a business icon a spy. So this is a work to save your people. Religion also says that if you want to protect your people, then you have to do every step for it. Religion also says this. Religion and the character of the character always say this.

I read a tagline somewhere, it was written below RNAW, never speak, never forget. That we don't speak but we don't forget. Yes, we don't forget. Sir, let me tell you one thing. I told you in the beginning that if you have caused us

even a tiny loss, then we will not forget you till our last breath. You will live in any corner of the earth. You will not die a natural death. If we don't say it, it means we have forgotten.

We haven't forgotten, right? This seems to be an accusation that earlier in the governments, there were many such leaders who told the enemy country the name of their own agents. That in your country, our agents are hidden here and there. With the name, they revealed it. There is a lot of controversy on this.

Obviously, it was never made official. Because it is the def disgrace to your country. So how true is it that our officers, intelligence spies, agents, names of leaders were revealed, because they thought that maybe there will be a hope for peace. Sir, if all our leaders were strong, then Pakistan would never have become a nuclear power. At the time of the Kahoota operation, all the blueprints of Pakistan came to us.

Tell us about the Kahuta operation.

Kahuta operation, all our agents who were working in the STEM park, they got evidence that Pakistan is doing a nuclear program somewhere.

How did they get this?

But they only knew that. But they didn't know where it was being done. So our agents became active in the whole of Pakistan. Now they said that we can do one thing, we can't find that place, but whoever is a nuclear scientist there, start following them. All the nuclear scientists in Pakistan.

Now whoever is a nuclear scientist, look, a man has a need, a man does hair cutting, etc. So all the nuclear scientists of Pakistan, when they came to get their hair cut, they started taking hair samples from all of them.

Agents?

Agents. They took the hair from Nike shop. They sent it to India. So what happened to a few nuclear scientists? They got radiation. If you are working with nuclear,

with uranium, etc. So nuclear, your radiation will be somewhere. So when they found out out that which scientists are behind this, And which sites are those scientists working on these days, So for the first time, India, R&W came to know that a nuclear program is going on in Quahota, Pakistan. This was shared with the Prime Minister at that time, and this was also shared with Israel.

And Israel also said at that time that sir, you just give us your space, we will not let Pakistan become nuclear. At that time, the Prime Minister did not give orders to Israel. Okay, it's your wish, you do not give your land to any other country. But the Prime Minister of our country at that time, people will search. They called Zia-ul-Haq personally. After calling him personally, he told them that we know everything. We know where your nuclear program is going on.

You are making your nuclear bomb inside Kota. What do you think? We know everything. So, the whole of Pakistan was shaken. Pakistan said that the operation which we are doing in such a secret way, India knows it. And believe me, within 24 to 48 hours,

they found and killed each and every one of our agents. And how did they find out who are the agents? Sir, after that, everything is active. How did they come? It will take 24 hours to remove things. In this much time, the police will remove it in 24 hours.

Then it is ISI. Even today, his request has never been made. Understand this.

There is a lot of talk about Agent Ravindra Kaushik. Tell our viewers about him. Who was he?

Sir, if you see the history of Ganga, I would say that the biggest spy in the history of India, about whom we know, about whom we know, there will not be a bigger spy than them. But I always tell you that we have such names, who have done such a great sacrifice,

about whom we do not know today, nor did we know yesterday, nor will we ever know in the future, sir. So about whom the residents of Ganga Nagar, and the father also belonged to their air force, sir, and an artist, theater artist is very good, sir. Meaning this is the thing of acting. So the first time when he was doing a theater in Punjab for the first time, some senior people from our R&W saw him.

So they thought that by doing this patriotic thing, and just R&W started at that time, Rameshwar Nath Kaushal started it at that time, Srinarayan Nesht, I can't remember the name, second unit director. So then he was recruited in R&W. He was sent to the park after 2 years of training. He studied law in the park. He took a commission there. After taking the commission, he reached the major rank there. After reaching the major rank, the Prime Minister of that time,

gave him the name of Black Tiger, Indira Gandhi also named him as Black Tiger. And there is a place in the world, from here only some information leaked. They don't say that every person is good. If every person was good, then we would have been the most powerful people on earth. But Pak knew that

there is a person from India, from R&W, in his army. But he doesn't know who he is. He doesn't know anything. Because this thing also, that only 2-3 people knew who the Black Tiger was. The rest no one knew.

He was also a PM level person.

He was a PM level person. He was the chief of RNW, Rameshwar Nath Kao sir, Sankar Nair sir, who was the second director of RNW. Only he knew. And Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Indira Gandhi. So then he was sent. After sending, it is possible that Indira Gandhi did not even show the picture. This is also possible, sir. Okay. Because the Prime Minister

will change after 5 years. Are you understanding me, sir? This is not a guarantee that Indira Gandhi has been shown the picture. Okay. So, Indira Gandhi was told that our man has taken commission in the Pakistan army. After that, Indira Gandhi was told that one of our men has taken commission in the Pakistan army. After that, Indira Gandhi gave him this name, Black Tiger. So as I told you, Rameshwar Nath Kao Sir, Sankar Nair Sir, so he made a new identity in Pakistan in the name of Nabi Ahmed.

He destroyed all his identities. But what happened, in 1983, an agent of the R&W whose code name was Inayat, Inayat Masih was his code name, when he was sent to Pakistan, he got information from here.

Who?

Now, this has never been disclosed in the world, sir, who did it? Pakistan's ISI. That the one you have been looking for for so long and you have a doubt, if you want to reach him, then catch him. Catch Inayat Catch Inayat

Now when Inayat was caught When Pakistan Army tortured Inayat So Inayat didn't even know How is Ravinder Kaushik Sir's face Now you can understand sir He also didn't know

Now one more thing for ISI How to catch him So this was that Where is he going to meet Inayat. So ISI took Inayat in their control and sent him to the same place where Ravinder Kaushik Sir was going to meet him. When Ravinder Kaushik Sir came to meet him, he was caught red-handed.

And he was arrested in 1983 and in 2001 he committed his highest sacrifice and ended up in Pakistan's jail.

18 years? And in 2001, he committed suicide and ended up in Pakistan's jail.

18 years? 18 years in jail.

What level of torture did he go through?

It's beyond imagination. Think about it, sir. In today's time, look at a small example. Any Pakistani terrorist or army, how jealous and angry they are with get angry, how they kill people. If they find out that their biggest man is in their custody, who has caused a lot of damage to their country,

and killed terrorism, then to what extent they will give him pain, I can't even say a word for that. We don't have that what's I can't tell you the pain.

For the governments that came for so many years, wasn't it important to bring such an agent back to India? Mr. Indira Gandhi was also called the Black Tiger. He must have known how big an asset it was. Wasn't it possible at that time?

I told you that nothing is impossible in the world. It is difficult, but not impossible. But in the case of India and Pakistan, it is very difficult to do anything. I also say that if we have an asset, suppose if it goes to America, then it can be brought from America. We can say one thing on that too that we can bring from the US.

But our situation in Pakistan changes our situation changes. Pakistan says that we will eat the food of the poor, but we will harm India. You are understanding the mentality. A man says that our entire population should starve to death. But we will not let India eat food. So his thinking is that.

There is a statement by Ravinder Kaushik, how good it is, you tell. If I was in America, I would have left in 24 hours. But I am an Indian, so I did not leave for 17 years. You can take an example of Raymond Allen. Is this a correct statement? These were his last words. So how did he say this statement? If you listen to Raymond Allen's case, Raymond Allen went to kill Hafiz in 2010.

He was a CIA man? He was a CIA agent, he was from Delta Force America's special force Delta Force But when he went to kill Hafiz He killed two people before he killed Hafiz By mistake, because two people came to attack him From ISI

And you know Pakistan arrested him And America released him in just 45 days In 45 days One this is one example. If I tell you an example of SVR, SVR Russian. It is difficult for me to say in words because their names are like medicines.

So there is a girl who went to America in 2001. Her name is Anna Chappell, you can see some such names. This girl used to work for KGP. She got trained for KGP. After getting trained for KGP, she came to SVR. And in Britain, she got British citizenship.

She married a British businessman. After marrying a British businessman, she got a divorce. After getting a divorce, she went to America. And in America, you know, from went to America and worked as a sleeper cell from 2000 to 2010. She operated in America.

From Russia?

From Russia. And America arrested her in 2010 or 2011, I don't remember the exact date. And arrested 11 Russian agents were arrested 11 days at a time And you know sir, you must be shocked That people who were spying in America for 10 years They were spreading every information about America to Russia

And after 10 years FBI and CIA arrest them Vladimir Putin takes them out within 8 days Even today they are in Russia And today she is a big celebrity there She also hosts TV But within 8 days, she fired 11 of her agents

But in movies, they show that Americans don't leave Russians They stay behind them and even beat them How did this happen? Vladimir Putin said that I want 11 agents In return, I will give you 4 agents In the Russian jails will give you 4 agents in return. Russia had 4 agents in jail, 2 were MI6 and 2 were CI.

Russia returned those 4 agents. But within 8 days, Russia took away 11 agents. Read it, you will know. This operation was named Operation Ghost. It is very famous by the named Operation Ghost. It is very famous by the name of Operation Ghost. The killings in Canada, the one that killed Nijjar, India was blamed for that.

Our Rajdhoot was also pressurized a lot. Now the government has changed, so they dismissed the case. So what was this?

People are saying that if Durandar 3 is made, it will be made on Canada's links.

Actually, I told you that it is not necessary that India's enemy should be in any corner of the earth, in any country. It is not safe. For example, if you talk about Ravinder Kaushik sir, who was from the RNW and who was a spy for the CIA, from here in 2001, India to Nepal, Nepal to US. Who killed him in 2011? This is an accidental case.

There was someone who said that they will not leave America. And they killed him in America too. So it is not necessary that you are only seeing Pakistan, Canada. So the best example of this is, you can also find Ravinder Sharma, who was killed in America, last more accidental case

So we will never forget our enemy India's scientists have been attacked and killed, so that India could not succeed in its mission It is the best thing in the world, if you want to destroy a country in the world, then destroy their brain This is not from today, this is from 100 years ago. You can pick it up and see. The biggest target of the agency is the scientists of the country. If you listen to me, what is the brain of a country?

The brain of a country is a scientist. How much progress will any country make? If any country is becoming a nuclear power, If the satellite of that country is making progress in the world, If it is becoming advanced, then who is making it? The scientists of that country. You can kill any scientist of any country. You have stopped the progress of that country. This is the primary target of every agency in the world.

They are the scientists of the country. It is not from now, it is from long time. From the time of Homi Baba, you can see his example. You can see Homi Baba also, sir. Why? Vikram Sarabhai. Absolutely. I told you about Iran's Fakirzadeh a while ago. Every scientist is targeted by every agency in the world.

And no matter what country in the world, if it wants to make its country a superpower, if it wants to take its country to the heights, then it has to save its country's brain. And the brain of any country is the scientist of that country. Through an RTI, it has is found that 11 nuclear scientists in India have died in unnatural circumstances.

In which there is hanging, drowning, or blast. All killings happen. Some died of drowning, some died of accidental case. You leave this, someone will also might have natural death. Nowadays, agencies have such poisons which will not be mentioned in any PM report. Think about it, when did Mossad kill Yassir Irafat?

When did they kill the leader of Palestine? Today, we know that Mossad used Polonium-210 that the chocolate which Mosad liked the chemical which was used in that chocolate was Polonium 210 Think about it Today we know that Yaseer Irafat's dead body was taken out again with his wife's permission

Now you understand What did the agency do? The chocolate which Yaseer Irafat liked was bought by the company of that chocolate That chocolate was mixed in the basic chocolate It will look natural but it won't be natural

It won't be 99 out of 100 If it is 1% then it is different

It has been shown in Dhurandar that Jamil Jamali He meets Dawood and then

Slowly he fell sick I am saying sir There were news that Dawood and then he is sick. I am saying sir. There were news that Dawood has been poisoned and he is sick. Is it connected to that? Yes, definitely. If you google in 2016, you will know that Dawood Ibrahim died. In 2017, you will know that Dawood Ibrahim died.

In 2018, you will know. After that, you will know in 2020 and in 2023. There were news of Dawood's death. 5 times from 2017 to 2023, there was news of Dawood's death. Last month Dawood was admitted in a military hospital. When in 2023 there was news of his death. This is the fact.

He was admitted in a military hospital. He was not dead but he was sick. But somewhere, something has happened in his body. So sir, even today, you see, I told you that I will not tell you the exact date. Sir, it is 1951, the date of birth of Dawood Ibrahim. According to that, today is 2026. So how many years has it been?

75 years. Today, look at our Mr. Dowal, you are 81 years old, sir. But look at Mr. Dowal, even today, sir, he is visiting the whole world and Dawood Ibrahim is not able to walk on his own, then you can guess that there is something somewhere. If Indian agencies want, they can do any operation, they can kill anyone. Is it possible? No, no, no, sir. It is not possible. It is very difficult to operate in another country. Sir, you are going to another country, what support will you get there? So my immediate question is that if you want to operate in another country or achieve a target,

then who gets more help from you?

SVR means Russia or Mossad Israel?

Sir, it depends on whom you are operating against. For example, if I am operating against Iran today, I am telling you for example, I am not doing it, I am just telling you. So we will not get any help from Russia or SVR. Not even 1% help. Why not? Because Iran and Russia are friends. If I do the same operation against America, for example, then I will get help from SVR. Who are you operating against? It depends on whom you are operating against. Sometimes, the enemy also helps you to finish the enemy.

So it is not fixed who is your friend. In the agency, neither is your friend, nor is your permanent friend, nor is your permanent enemy. So, how has India made such a network that since 2014-16, especially after 2021-22, the killings have increased. The enemies of India have died. Are they contract killers of the same country or are they Indians like Hamza Ali Mazari and Jassi? They plan all this.

Because they are coming on a bike, as shown in the pattern,, two unknown people come on bike, wear helmets, kill and leave.

Especially the video of Zahur Mistry which went viral.

It depends on the target. For example, let me tell you. Suppose, just now, the leader of Death Squad, I am getting the to remember the names. The name is written on his hand. Death Squad. ISI has made him the commander of Death Squad. I am not able to remember the names. There are thousands of names. Who all will remember?

He is the chief of death squad. He has killed many Balochs. He is our enemy. He does terror attacks in India. Suppose for example, I get the information. I get the exact location,

then Baloch Liberation Army will also take this operation with me tomorrow. Because they have already killed a lot of Baloch Liberation Army. They have caused a lot of damage. So it depends on who is the target. For that, we will not need Hamza Ali here. We will do this work with Baloch Liberation Army. If you suppose that only our enemy is there,

and he has not harmed anyone else, only terror has spread in India, then we will have to bring him down ourselves. Because it is possible that any target of theirs will turn in the end. Because the target is not always for money. Sometimes emotions are also there,

emotions are also connected, there is also a change. Look, a man gives information to a spy in three ways. One man gives information for money. The man who gives information for money, I can't trust him 100%. He may get double money from somewhere else. So he gives my information to someone else, he does the work of a double agent.

What does a man do? A man gives information for revenge. He himself cannot't do anything But he takes our support and kills his enemy So we trust him more Because he is not looking at our benefit But he is looking at his own benefit

And we get a third type of information Which humanity wants They think that they are always behind the curtains They never come in front of him They think that this man's death is important So they always give information in the absence of humanity

Have you done covert operations? I have done a lot of covert operations Has it ever happened that your cover has blown? Someone recognized you And called you from behind, you didn't remember your home, Lucky No, no sir, it's a very far thing to recognize a cover If there is a slight doubt, we leave that place

Many times, I was somewhere by chance I just met someone outside the airport He recognized me

Somewhere?

Yes, somewhere. At some location. And I recognized him, but I forgot what I told him my name last time. It was very difficult for me to meet you.

Were you in some operation?

Yes, I was in some other place. Consider it as an op-c. It was not a direct operation. It was an indirect operation. But someone from me. But I don't understand that when I met him for the first time, what was my introduction?

In this situation, it was very difficult for me. So, somehow we handled the situation. In such a situation, it is very difficult. Because we forget ourselves, what name we told, what identity we told. Where we have come from. So remembering this is also very difficult.

Because it is very difficult to come from one character to another.

There was a dialogue in Razifilm. That if you ever feel that the agent's trainer, the handler, what is the word for the boss? Handler. I think he role in Jaidi Pehlawat

So he says to Alia Bhatt, if you ever feel that your secret is revealed, then assume it is revealed If you feel that people have found out about you, then assume that it is revealed

I will give you an example. This is a long story. Like I'm going, I'm going from here randomly. I'm in my country, randomly. But there are a lot of enemies. There are a lot of enemies in the world. If I'm leaving from here,

suppose a man, I don't have a special t-shirt, I would have worn a my t-shirt. But he will not leave. He will ask why he saw me. He will not be able to sleep the whole night. He saw my t-shirt. But I don't know if he saw me or not.

He turned around and looked at me. Who is he? Why did he see me? What does he want? For example, We are not in a sweet shop. We are not selling clothes or sweets. We do information business in the world, they sell information.

They tell the target of the enemy. When the work is like that, your enemies will also be like that. So here if someone sees you twice, then you will not be able to sleep for two days. Another thing is that now this cup is here. This cup is kept like this. Normally people will see that I have kept the cup like this. But no, I know how many centimeters away this cup is from the end of this table.

How many centimeters away it is from here. I have measured it in three, it is on my mind. That it is at least 8 centimeters away from here. It is about 50 centimeters away from here. It is 4 centimeters away from here. You are finding this cup normal.

But we call it good housekeeping. We know where our things are kept. If any person touches it by mistake, he won't be able to keep it here. This means that you have come to my location. You have kept me in surveillance. So at my house or any place,

whatever it is, if you touch it, you won't be able to keep it. We keep ourselves safe even without CCTV. Do agents have different levels and categories? Do they get briefings about what to do after an operation or project?

Do they get clarity about that? Because in this film, Jassi comes, doesn't meet his family and goes back So can't that agent meet his family? Sir, look, which family are you talking about? There is no family, right? What is a family?

It is a part of a job. How can you call it a family? No, because of that family, he went into operation.

He became Hamza.

Oh, are you talking about the family here? Yes, the family here. I am talking about the Pakistan family. If he comes back, he doesn't go home, he goes back. Yes, sir, we are just following orders. Here, only orders work. I will tell you a small example, sir. You will understand.

Now you open the news and see, sir. Do you know what is the biggest thing in the world? The biggest thing is to follow orders. Today, you see, the American army is moving at full speed. You are seeing thousands of American army. Many of them will not come back.

They know that we are going, so they will not come back in war. Still they are going. This is called orders. It is not like they are going to die for 2000 dollars. Their training is like this. Look, their children are buying them from far.

But you saw carefully, their wife is standing from far. Their wife is also saying bye to them. But they are not coming to meet their wife after breaking the line, sir. This is called orders. When their wife is just 10 steps away from them. Their wife is shaking her hand from there.

And they are going to see everyone. All lines are called orders, sir. As soon as there was any order, that brother... Even if the operation is done, you can't meet your family. No, you can't meet them. The orders are as much as they are. Let me give you an example. There are only two things, caution and rest. Caution and rest.

I don't know how important it is for a civilian. But for any agency in the world, any military in the world, do you know how important it is? If your superior, no, your senior tells you to be careful. If there is a storm, a storm, a hail, even if your neighbor falls down,

you will not pick him up, sir. There are others for that. Be careful. Even if it is said that there was someone in the world who destroyed the Vishwamitra's penance. Was it Menaka?

Yes, Menaka. If you are in the position of caution, if Menaka has passed by you in the position of caution, then you cannot bend your neck. That is the discipline of the military. That when Menaka is going, she has destroyed Vishwamitra's penance.

Because Vishwamitra X, Y, Z. This is an army, so it is made up of an army. Orders are made. Orders are in place here. I will tell you one more thing, a small example. For example, in an agency, our seniors used to tell us,

look ahead, be careful. We became careful. They said, 200 meters ahead, or 100 meters, We said, sir. He said, 100 meters, a tree. We said, sir. Did you see?

At what degree? For example, in our civil language, the senior said, look ahead, 100 meters, a green tree. He said, run and push the tree down. Sir, that tree can't even be pushed down by an elephant. Such a big tree.

But what is my job? The senior told me, Sir, let's run and push that tree. If someone sees this, they will think I am crazy. They will say, are you crazy? This tree will break an elephant, and still it won't be able to break. My senior told me,

100 meters ahead, go and push the tree. My job is to follow orders. It's a different matter if I fall or not. I am doing orders He said, ok turn back and come fast I know this work can't be done

My work is not that this work will not be done I will try, whether it will be done or not is a different thing What is the most dangerous moment of an agent in his operation or in his life? Is it dangerous to get cover blow or what? Look sir, for any spy in the world The most difficult time is when he has a doubt.

For example, how to explain doubt. If I am going in any operation, if I have this doubt, means doubt, misunderstanding, I have this misconception in my mind that this work will not be possible, first thing, I will not be able to do this work or it will not happen. If this question comes to your mind, then you will never be able to do that work.

If you have thought of the result of that work in your mind, you will never be able to do that work.

Okay.

The day you, like people say that… So just follow the process. But sir, one example. They tell me that lucky beast, tomorrow you will cross the border. After crossing the border, you will meet a man. That man will take you on a bike. After taking you on a bike, you have to kill the target.

Now I am thinking, if he can ride a bike, if he can't ride a bike fast, what will happen? And suppose he is in Nepal. Yes, for example, if it is Nepal or Pakistan. Then I will say, if I shoot the target, and suddenly Pakistan park ranger surrounded me,

then what will I do? Sir, I am preparing the whole story here. What will happen? If I have decided in my life that my job is to do my work, the day I start thinking about the results, I can't work.

No one in the world can do it. So an agent in the field, does he have the authority to decide that I will not be in this operation, I am coming back. No, no, no, sir.

You can't withdraw from the operation. How can you withdraw from the operation? What agent in the world will withdraw from the operation? Can't do it. Can it improvise? The operations are different on sand model. This is our sand model. The operations will be different on this. Okay, sir. The operations will be different on a map.

The ground conditions will be very different. Now suppose, let's take an example. The boss said, Lucky, you do one thing, you will kill the target from 100 meters away. I said, okay, sir. From 100 meters away, I will take a position here and kill the target.

I went there, the weather changed, fog came, whatever happened, my boss didn't know that there will be a crowd there. It is not that suddenly there will be a crowd, the weather will be anything. Now, but I can't see the target from a hundred meters away. So I will not say that my boss said that I will hit from a hundred meters. I will change my position, my job is to count the target.

I can improvise anything there. But because of that improvisation, our country's diplomatic relations should not be spoiled. This thing should be kept in mind. Whether I stay or not, but because of me,

India and that country's diplomatic relations should not be spoiled. Agency sends its agent to a foreign territory for an operation. And then again gives instructions that don do it, back off, abort mission So does he have to abort the mission, or does he have to obey orders or he can dodge his boss and continue the mission without following his orders No sir, there are orders, you have to follow orders. It's a small calculation. Once we had asked a question. It was the last question. After that I never had a question from sir. So, my sir made us do the same thing three times.

First he said, okay, we will go for an office. You get ready. We got ready. It's been 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours. So, he said, okay, now rest, you will be called again. How can I sleep in rest? I slept in shoes. If he calls me, I will wear shoes. He called me, I didn't call him.

Then everything went back to normal. He came back, he said, get ready. Then I got ready. Then I sat for 2-3 hours. Then I didn was no off. Then we were talking and we felt that seniors are also worried.

We were sitting for 4-5 hours. We were sleeping in the cement. After that a helicopter will come and take you. It will drop you at one place. So, the helicopter of the Air Force is also there. We call it a helicopter. The helicopter is also there.

So, nothing happened after that. Then we got irritated and then on the third day, we saw that the helicopter went back. It didn't take us, but went back. Then we were told to relax. When Jay called me, I told him that we have been sitting here for two days. If we didn't want to do it, he could have refused it yesterday.

My senior should have seen me. He said a word, which is still in my mind. He said, look, the job of the Delhi people is to use their brains. Our job is to follow orders. That was the day, this was the day after. Those who will think, those who will use their brains, they are sitting in Delhi.

Your job is to follow the orders. What is right, what is wrong, we don't know. Our senior said, if you want to do it, then do it. And does this work in the long run? It will always work, sir. One of the best thing for me is that I won't have a headache.

Sometimes I feel that I have to shoot out a person. I will get headache if I think too much Why am I hitting him? What will happen after hitting him? It's the senior's job, he must have analyzed something Just do your work, I have to do my work So sometimes these things are right I will tell you a situation

There is a web series called Tehran, where there is a Mossad agent, a girl She is in Tehran, Iran And her mission is not let the nuclear power be made. He has to tell Mossad about Iran's nuclear facility, attack it and finish it. In that mission, he gets a general. He gets the biggest officer of IRGC.

And his target is to kill him. He tells Mossad to try. Because Mossad has told him before to back off. Abort the operation and come back. You have become an emotionally driven agent. Because he loves someone.

So in love, that person dies. Musaad didn't kill him. So he thinks that there is nothing left in his life. So he will do the mission and come back. refuses him, but still she doesn't agree. Musaad says, okay, if you want to kill the general, kill him. Come back after killing him.

But when she moves forward in that mission, the general's son dies. The general doesn't die. And then the entire Raj Ki Ashok happens there. The general breaks down. So Musaad tells her again to kill him because if you kill him now, the diplomatic relation will be very bad. Don't do it, abort the mission and come back.

She says, there is no better chance than this. He is the head of IRGC, I will kill him. Just imagine, Iran will be shaken. She doesn't agree, she kills the general. Against this, there is an order Mossad says, finish him

While she has already killed the biggest enemy of Israel Sir, I had told you earlier That because of us, the diplomat relation should not be spoiled You do anything but the diplomat relation should not be spoiled But this looks like a film But it is real

But this scenario looks is a film, right? But this is real But this scenario is a film Or agent can be so unprofessional that Love can happen

No, no, no, that is not possible I told you a while ago, no love, no love Only orders for the heart This is fiction, I will tell you a small story I think it's about 2009 It's been 870 years

It's been 17 years We were given a target We were given a target. There is a place in Myanmar, in the North East. There are a lot of insurgent groups there. I will reveal what it is. An insurgent group, an area commander,

an area commander is a person who is area, it is called area commander. So he had to shoot out, but before shooting out, he had to get some information from him and make friends. So in this whole procedure, it took about 30-35 days, we made good friends with him. Now we were just waiting,

that when he will get orders, we will shoot him out. He was a good friend of ours. We used to sit together and eat together. We were waiting for orders. We were ready to shoot out as soon as we got orders. But we didn't get orders.

We are still friends.

Oh my God!

We are still friends.

We didn't get orders to shoot out. Do you understand? If you had shot him, wouldn friends, still friends, no shootout order came at that time, you understand what I am saying? If you kill them, they are not friends anymore? They are not friends, still friends, never in life will anyone know that we came to kill him, we used to meet every 30 days, there was a wait for orders, that orders will come, a signal will come, at that time we have to shootout are still friends. So just follow orders. Don't mind anyone.

The mind-setters are in Delhi.

A man has been caught with 6 Ukrainian citizens. He was caught in Delhi. What is his name? Matthew Van Dyck. What is this man? What was the operation?

How were these people caught? Sir, let me tell you a story that the world knows. Which is on every media There are total of 6 people including Ukraine and India They come to India in different parts, not together After coming, they go to Guwahati

After going to Manipuri and Mizoram, they go to Myanmar After going to Myanmar, they meet some insurgent groups, train them, make a deal for a drone delivery with them, and come back. As soon as they come back, HNA picks them up. Is this the story, sir?

Yes, it is in the media.

It is in the media, it is everywhere. Even today, those 7 people are in our custody. This is one part of the story. The second part of the story story in all the media channels. It is not there anywhere, but I try to tell. The situation of war is going on all over the world.

Like a foreigner is entering the land of India today. He is also an American and Ukrainian. So what does this mean? What is the full R&W? It is active. But 7 people enter India. you can't arrest them. How will you do it?

On which basis? And the other one, his name is like medicine, what is his name? Venday His first record, I said private army in the beginning, a part of a private army. I told you in the beginning that a private army, which does not have nuclear weapons, but has everything, has already fought many wars with the private army, has fought many operations.

It has its own drone company in Ukraine. Our R&W knows. So it means we are in surveillance. But the government does nothing. After this, what do these people do? They go to Guwahati. After going to Guwahati, they enter Manipur and Mizoram. If they wanted, then NIA could have arrested them at that time. Because ILP is there.

ILP is there in four states. In Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur and Anachal Pradesh. Inner land permit is there. But if they are arrested, what do they say? They say, we are tourists, we did not know that ILP is applied here. For example, if you are driving a car, suppose you are not wearing a helmet,

or you have honked somewhere, they say that this is a no sound zone, you cannot honk here. You will say, we do not know, sir. They will hang you, sir. So it is okay, whatever your driving will be, the government will remove it, but no. Still they are seen, they are not arrested. They cross the border, after crossing the border, they train the rebel group there.

After training, when they come to India, they give training related to drones. Drone and as a drone, and as a rebel group.

Border Parry, means?

Man Mark. After doing everything, we have a very big evidence that you go and break all the laws, break the borders of our country and meet terrorist organizations and you are going to give them drone delivery. Now you are charged. It is not that they were not in surveillance as soon as they came. They will be in surveillance as soon as they come, but picking them up with the right evidence is the biggest success. This is the story.

And second thing, they also bring drones. It's not like they bring drones, they bring them in parts, you don't know sir. They assemble and bring, it's not like they bring it like this. If you come to me and say that I need a bomb. They will bring a bomb to you, for example, that it will be checked in a thousand places a bomb You will get a bomb in such a way that No one will recognize it

How will they recognize it? They will assemble it and bring it Now they are in the custody of NIA So the checking in hotels That your car is opened when you go That is a drill, so that the owners can see that it's working properly.

But you are an agent, don't you feel that you should tell them what you are doing? So I told one person, and then there was a false alarm. He picked up the car, opened the trunk, and I said, the bomb is kept here. I mean, what are you looking there? If I have to do it, I will keep it here. How do we check the car? I will tell you. The car comes there.

After the car comes, we say start the car. After starting, we see the time in the watch. We keep the car running for 30 to 40 minutes. Why do we keep it? So that if there is any heat sensor in the car, the car should explode. I know that the car is so hot that the battery needs the same amount of current and energy as the car is heated

Now I will understand that there will be no heat sensor I am telling this after checking the car After checking the car physically I have checked the seat, everything Now I will tell him to drive the car at a speed and apply the brake He drives the car at a speed and applies the brake

That if you have applied the brake with sensor. Do you understand? It takes 1-1.5 hours to check a car. To check a car, you have to drive the car forward, backward, drive it with speed, apply the brake,

play the horn, and listen to all the songs, and listen to the CD. You have to check if the sensor is attached to anyone. This is a formality. So, don't you think the government should make rules for agencies?

Because in big hotels, it is not possible. Then it is vulnerable, there is a risk. How will you give time to a car for 1.5 hours? How will you give time to a car for 1.5 hours? Because this discussion will happen only if something happens. I am asking you one thing.

You have a car. The discussion will happen when something happens. Something will happen. I am asking you one thing. You have a car. I will ask you to remove the roof of the car. You will get angry. You have put the seat in full explosive mode. Explosive will be like a cloth.

Then? What will you do? That is why intelligence. That is why information. We get information and input we will check it physically. So many things happen.

That's why we say that the biggest thing in the world is information. The public will go crazy. I am telling you today, if you check the cars in Delhi, people will start abusing the government for half an hour. They will call up and transfer you. They will transfer you.

Tell our viewers about your books, what are the stories in your books, what are the operations that have been discussed? Actually, the books that have come to me, as Hussain Dajji has written both of them, so the first book is Raw Hitman 2.1 In this, for 16 years and 3 months, from going to Israel to the Northeast, after completing completing my training in Israel, how I went to jail, how I was transferred to 11 jails, after that I come out, this is the first book. Meaning from 16 years, from the training in Israel to coming to the north east, joining NSG, from a repeated murder case to going to jail, to go to 11 jails in jail,

after going to 11 jails, as soon as you come out of the bail, the first book is over. And what is in the second book? Sir, what is in the second book? Different operations.

Like in the first book, I told you a journey, how I joined a secret service, how I trained, after training, how I wentto a case, transferred to 11 districts, got bailed, the first book was over. But you will see a lot of thrill in it.

But in the second book, there are different operations. Like I will tell you about one operation, Operation Hot Prostitute. It was not prostitute, so I have a problem in speaking. During the time of Operation Sunrise, what happened in 2015? 18 of our soldiers were martyred in Dogra Regiment. But to finish them, the attack on them was made by 8 insurgent groups,

One group was formed, whose name was UNLF South East Asia. So, they came in one umbrella. They attacked the 6th Dogra regiment. 18 of our soldiers were martyred. And this was the first surgical strike in India, which we did in Myanmar. But the biggest thing was how we broke this umbrella.

You will get a chapter in this. You will get a chapter. The Myanmar operation of 2016? Yes, the operation of 2016. The operation was in 2015. Because in 2015, 18 soldiers of Dogra regiment were martyred in District Chandel, Manipur.

And I think that's where the story of Uri started. Yes, that's where the story of Udi starts. That's our first operation. So one question, I'm sorry to interrupt. If in your book, it's all about operations, do you have permission to say that? Sir, without permission, any book in the world,

any non-fiction book, has an NOC. This book was published by Paramount, a US company that has made Titanic. Everything is published after evidence and NOC of everything. So, there is no issue with your agencies and the government in this? Sir, the book is not published if there is any issue.

The book is not published, sir. And there is an ops in which I will tell you that in 2008-9, there is a terrorism group of the North East, NACNK National Consciousness of Naga Council, Khaplang Baba You can google it They had shot down 4 soldiers playing carrom in Siklai Regiment But they didn't get permission from Delhi to kill their Brigade Commander

Why?

Evidence was there, but still Permission was not given Brigade commander will not be touched Brigade commander is not only for army, but also for terrorists They have their own rank So it was a militant group But it was under ceasefire

It had ceased fire But what it did was to attack But still we did an operation But the only job of this operation was Delhi government is not giving permission But we did an operation here. But the only work of this operation was that Delhi government is not giving permission

but we will kill him by taking him out of India. And you know in this operation, an agent of Musaat also came. How we took this brigade commander out of India and shot him. This is the chapter in it.

How did you take him from A to Z In this chapter, we get information that there is a militant group This militant group is very dangerous, but the area commander of this group has a girlfriend He listens to his girlfriend a lot Now, the only job of this group was to be to his girlfriend. Now, he had only one job, to befriend his girlfriend. To brainwash his girlfriend. After brainwashing, he took her under his control and got her surrendered to his boyfriend. So, everything was going on as per the story. But when did the twist come in the story?

When the militant got to know all our information. He shot that girl. This is also a chapter. But still that boy surrendered. And for a long time he worked for the agency. He worked with the agency. So this is also a chapter in this. Which is your favorite chapter? You have told us, now you will tell us. My favorite chapter is, we have talked about it in the starting, The one in Nepal. The chapter of Kulbhushan Jadhav in Nepal.

The chapter which was taken up by Colonel Habib. Who took it up? We will have to read that in the book. We will have to read that in the book.

And this book's promotion is also different. So please buy it. It will be fun to read this book. And the book has been published with full permission. The link is also given in the description.

And now I feel like reading books without permission are not published in the world, even non-fiction books are not published even sir Avni sir's books are not published government did not allow publishing my book has the names of very powerful people you can't even imagine

there must be a big man of India whose name is not mentioned in the book how much you talked about RAW how much you talked about the agency how do you get entry in it Sir, do you know what is the best thing about R&W? World's most secret agency, ask why?

You will see the only agency in the world, which has no website Which has no logo, which you see is a logo, you cannot consider it as a logo of Research & Analyze Wing Secondly, you will not see the recession analysis wing anywhere, even if you see it in a file of the parliament, you will always see the cabinet secretary. So in the world of R&W, whether you have to enter in the CIA, you have to enter in the MI6, you can enter in any agency in the world, they are available. But to enter in this agency, the agency will take you, sir. First of all, you cannot enter directly.

But after this, if you want to come in the rank of an officer, you can give an exam of UPSC etc. After clearing UPSC, you can apply for RNW. And secondly, you can also go for deportations. Like from IB, you work with IB, Army, MI, it is not that R&W does operations alone, no one does alone in the world, have been the chief of our R&W. First of all, you enter somewhere. I say that you become an honest man in the world.

If you become a true patriot, then the agency will reach you. You know, there is one thing about the agency. You always remember one thing, the agency says one thing. That we don't need you to have a good aim, you are very brave, your physical is very strong. We will make everything. We just need one thing that a man should be honest and patriot. These two things no one can buy in life.

Honesty and patriotism. We will make everything else. We will make you the best fighter in the world. We will make you the best. What was your name? Hamza Ali Mardari. But it is important to be a patriot and honest. No matter what difficulties you face in life, no matter how much greed you have on the earth,

just never betray your own flag. Final question, if Dhurandhar 3 is made, then what mission or part 3 should be made? Sir, I am saying that we have so many operations, that Dhurandhar will be made up to 50. Dhurandhar 3, Dhurandhar 4, Dhurandhar 5, many will be made.

So we saw Dhurandhar, and just now I told you that my movie is going to be announced, maybe it will be announced in this month, so we also thought the same thing. So I told you, just told you how Hafiz Syed was killed in 2023, how the whole operation was run How in the end One organization One such leader was left alive

which is never seen again after 2021 It is a very big operation in foreign land June 23, 2021 As I told you We gave a message to Pakistan

that our relations with you were never good from the beginning. You always support terrorism. You showed our innocent businessman from Iraq, sorry from Iran, you showed him fake charges that he does terror funding and misled the whole world. But we gave you a message that our Indians should be in your jail

Nothing should happen as long as they are in jail And if they are released soon, then Dhurandar 3 can be on both these stories Thank you Lucky bhai Thank you sir Please tell us which part you liked the most Which other question is in your mind

It will be related to war, mission, your operations. Books, do read them. The link is given in the description. And soon the movie is going to be announced. So once it is announced, we will talk about it again. Yes, we will talk about the movie again.

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