MAHFUD MD SOAL DEMO, SIKAP PEMERINTAH & LEMAHNYA PENEGAKAN HUKUM

It's still a threat. The fire in the trap can be ignited at any time if there is no change in the pattern. The main problem has not been solved. What is the main problem that has not been solved? This is a trigger for the accumulation of several problems. The life of the community is now in turmoil.

There are very sad facts. High-ranking officials. A simple matter, people are shouting. It's been three weeks. New Year's Eve. That's a simple matter.

No one dares to arrest. That violates the law. The worst case is the sea robbery. This is a case where people are always shouting. Yes, it is clear that the police are corrupt, but the police don't want to. Until the case is now gone.

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Welcome back to Jakarta, Pak.

Thank you. I know you have watched some of the demonstrations in Jakarta and in Jogja. Yes.

I would like to say that the responses we got from your videos, you made them come true.

Yes.

Because you were chased by some media, you said that you did it all to represent everyone. And that made people understand what was happening and start to understand and avoid violence, sir. Even though there are still arrests and all kinds of things. This time there are a few points I want to ask you about. Especially, for example, two main issues. First, how do we read the situation that has now started to improve, sir?

There is no demonstration like today. And second, how do we read the statement of President Prabowo yesterday when I met with the leaders of the Parpol and the heads of the institutions, and then convey the solution that can be offered to the public. I'll start with the first one. Alhamdulillah, sir, today Jakarta is calm. There are no major demonstrations, like last week. And in some places there are small explosions, but also not significant.

The drama is different from last week. Is it possible to say that it is normal again and it is good? And thus, the government and the DPR can return to activities as before?

Yes, I repeat, let's be grateful to Allah since today, or since last night, since last Sunday night, the situation is already good. While before, until Monday, Saturday, Friday, Thursday, and before that, Indonesia was in a state of panic.

Panic, sir.

There were fires, there were souls that were published, which were already named, there were six. There was Avan, then in Makassar, Dampat, the building was burned. DPR building, then in Jogja there was another one. Six, not to mention the injured in the hospital, not to mention the victims of property, things and so on, which was extraordinary, and the terrible imprisonment.

But, alhamdulillah, it was over after President Prabowo announced the steps to be taken. Because I always say that the one who can make this happen, the most effective one, is the President. As you always say, Pak Mahfuz. I always say that in a situation like this, where at the level of the first layer, the coordination is weak, sometimes unable to speak well to the public, the one who can act is the President. And the President has done it well yesterday

for the first stage, which is to stop all forms of violence. And now it has stopped. That there are some remains, it's okay. Because there are some that have been continued to be announced in the organization itself and so on. That's normal, there's no problem.

That's all, we're grateful for that. But I say that's just the first step. Because of course it's still a threat. The fire in the trap can erupt at any time if there is no change in the pattern.

It means it can't be as usual business.

We can't.

We're back to normal again, like yesterday. What happened yesterday is not an important lesson. It can't be like that.

The main problem is not yet answered. This is just the intensity. If it is approached with legal steps that are true, that it must be enforced. Anyone, whether it is a citizen or a police officer who violates the law will be enforced and will be investigated transparently and openly. What is the main problem that The main problem is to respond with policies and changes in government measures to the problems that are the cause of the terrible demonstration.

Massive and terrible. the reason for the massive and horrific demo. It's not about the DPR singing, or the DPR's salary rising. The DPR, when it comes to housing, since my time, there has been a monthly housing loan, 12.5 million, so has been a house loan. How much per month? At that time, it was 12.5 million.

So, 150 million a year. If it's 5 years, it's already 750 million. At that time, 2004-2008, I was a member of the DPR. DPR singing, it's been common since then. The event has been closed, then there were regional songs. If it was held at the state palace, the ministers would go down to the field and dance.

They would dance rumkat, dance ojoh dibanding-banding. It's not a new thing, right? It's not new, but it's a trend of accumulation of some problems.

Accumulation? Accumulation of accumulation of problems. Accumulation?

Accumulation of problems that are not solved. What is it? Can you give an example? Because I heard you say that this is an accumulation of long-term problems that make people disappointed. What is it? What field do you think is problematic? There are many. For example, in the field of economy.

The life of the people is now in turmoil. They say the economy is doing well, while on the ground there are very sad facts. High unemployment rates. High unemployment rates, high unemployment. About the tax that is st is high, the PBB is high. They say the minister is not capable, but my minister is 100% great.

What does that mean? The empathy is lacking. Even though the Pidato is good, the 20 minutes Pidato is good, suddenly it's funny like that. Maybe they want to be funny, but it's not funny at all. Or maybe Mr. Prabowo was too confident. Maybe. The BBB went up, the blockade of the accounting, all of those were not answered.

That made people angry.

Yes, it was finished, don't continue. There must be a public responsibility. Why did that happen? For example, there is no call, there is rice oplos, the news has only been caught, he is so much, so much, why did that happen? If there are many reservations, why should it be oplos? And for example, why is the price of rice high? For example, like that, The explanation is not enough.

In the legal field, there are many. For example, a simple matter, people are laughing for three weeks. Sylvester. That's a simple matter. That's Sylvester.

In Kerah.

One and a half years. Then suddenly in front of our eyes, no one dared to arrest him. I think no one dared to arrest him. Not that people don't know, but there is something behind it that may be compromised or continued to be compromised.

Maybe, because what is the government's answer? Why can't they execute something that has been decided? That's the law. Then criminalization cases, legal politicization, that also becomes a problem. When people support Tom Lempong to be abolished,

people are not happy, but still support him. Why? Because there is something illogical in the implementation of the law. Why not the others? Right? Why not the others? Why is it said that this is the policy of the president and is admitted by the president?

Why is the process still like that? Like in the scenario, the opinion of the judge and the judges of Jakarta are exactly the same. This all makes the public have a dissatisfaction. Yes, we have support. Do you support Tom Lembong? No, but it violates the law.

And the answer is not clear why it is like that. Tom Lembong, the abolition is good, but what about the others? Did the case disappear or not? For example? There are already other defendants outside Tom Lembong, outside of the PGA. But what about the other ministers?

The former and the latter. What about the status of President Jokowi's statement that he was the one who made that policy, after Tom Lembong was abolished? Well, all those answers are not satisfying. Yesterday, the law enforcement should have explained

what is actually going on. There is a case of Zoro Frikar, which is now being tried. The Minister of Justice is great. Yes, but the case of money laundering is unclear. The 920,

it was just tried in one case. In one case of bail. The money, this is a lot.

It's just 1 trillion, the money until now is not clear.

It's not clear what this is for. Because there are registrations of people involved in the money saving in Zarov, it was reported there in the judge decided to find out what documents were found that were related to this. This has not yet been brought to court.

It is said that it has been included in the TPPU. Money laundering, but there is none. For example, the most serious sea robbery. This is a case where people are screaming. Yes, it is clear that corruption is being committed, but the police don't want to. Until the case is now gone.

That's an amazing crime. Not only violating the law, not only violating the government policy, but also violating article 33, that the earth, water, and natural resources are controlled by the state. Well, water like the sea is included in something that cannot be done by private enterprise, except for certain things and at certain times, and it cannot be used with the certificate of ownership.

Just a permit, you can operate there there as long as it's for tourism. That's possible. But now, what is the government's response to this? Every decree is good. Mr. Mahfud said that what is decreed is not always in line with reality.

Or maybe it's the expectation of the government. Yes, maybe. No, because the president always says... The president always says, I will chase you and all that. Always says, Upi Datu is good. Suddenly, in the middle of life, people are upset.

My minister is great, never give up.

Upset, meaning people are upset?

No, it's not like that.

People are hurt, roughly.

For example, at that time, I was a bit disappointed with Jokowi's role, accusing people, but I didn't want to say,

Wow, Jokowi!

It's not good. Just explain it. No, Mr. Jokowi is a good person. That's it. But if it's like that, it will immediately create problems. In my opinion, the communication pattern that one is too high, not elementary,

below it is also unclear.

It's all accumulated, then when the DPR process is launched, people get angry. Everyone is angry.

Then I met people who did all this, then the demo was like yesterday, it was angry. Then I met all these people and I gave a demo. It was a big demo. Someone said that there was a foreigner who was paid to do it. He was paid to do it on a motorcycle. Or maybe he was a foreigner.

Maybe he was. We can speculate. But I don't believe it at all. In my opinion, this is organic. Organic means that people are really protesting. But then there are those who ride. At the time this is over, the organic ones, the organic ones,

at night it appears again. So the demonstration is true, then there are also rebels who come. There are rebels who come. And there is a ride. And the issue brought by the rebels is the issue brought by the police, which are issues that are brought by the organic. That's it.

Well, that's what I think. What is it, Mr. Alhafud? So if Mr. Alhafud concludes that the main problem has not been solved, it means that the burden is still in the bag, sir. Because the solution is just, for example, when it was announced yesterday, the purpose of the to overseas was removed.

It was only limited to the DPR area, not to the big evolution that the government has already done. Yes, it's a quick win. A temporary step to quickly sink. The promise must go down, it must go down. It was a firm move. The salary did not go up. the government is not going to raise the salary

so that it can listen to the aspirations of the people. We will talk about listening to the aspirations of the people later. Well, that's actually just a temporary step so that this is silent and this is successful. But there must be a continuation, the weak point, for example,

which is always shout about, the Tax Evasion Law. Yes. Right? People always shout about it. Why? This and that.

The resolution of how many cases, in my opinion.

Before we continue, I want to ask, how difficult is the Tax Evasion Law? Actually, if I remember correctly, during the time of Mr of Mahfud, it has gone quite far, right? The President just said to the DPR, let the leaders of the coalition parties do it.

Mr. Jokowi has two periods of proposing the ASEAN Cooperation Agreement. It's always a problem in the DPR. Mr. Jokowi, for the first time, before the end of the first period, in 2018, it was already submitted to the DPR. But it was postponed, right? It was almost finished, but it was postponed. There was only one material left, where the stolen goods were stored.

We submitted it again, at the end of 2019, it entered the Prolegnas 2020. It turned out that by 2023 it was already finished at the level of discussion, level 1, just brought to Paripurna or slightly improved, it was not finished until Mr. Jokowi sent a letter. So it was only once in Paripurna, not in Botak, Palu. Yes, Mr. Jokowi sent a letter. I was the one who asked Mr. Jokowi to send another letter, because I had just met the DPR. Try said, please send the letter if it's true.

I said, I've sent the letter and it's in the prolegnase. But if you want more, I'll ask the president. I asked the president to send a letter on May 5, 2023. That's a waste of assets. I said, if you are now the president, I said, if now the president, Yes, I said, you are the one who is concerned, I asked for a letter, this is the letter, I show it to you, this is the letter,

he said that if there is a president who sends a letter, it will be verified. It didn't work either, I was called again, Mr. Jokowi, how is it, Mr. Mofud? I will call the leaders of the parliament. Because if the leaders of the parliament have agreed to this, then it will be easier to go to the DPR. Okay, sir. We'll wait. But if the leaders of the parliament are also there, I will issue a decree.

The president said that. But until now, there is no such thing. Now, Mr. Prabowo is very strong. His dominance in theowo is very strong. His dominance in parliament is very strong. Those who are in coalition with him, there are many.

Those who are not in coalition, also do not oppose. He is very strong. Just ask him. If I don't issue a permit, it's possible. Next month, it will be agreed.

There will be no one who dares to. He is already president. Now, For example, the first quick win. Then the KPK, it is also a demand from the public. In order to reform, to improve, whatever. The first alternative, just go back to the old one, the laws.

So that it is really abandoned and feared as before. Or if it is considered too strict, how should the reformation be? It must be clear whether it should be changed and so on.

There must be a solution to make the KPK still strong, something like that.

It must not be like now. Well, what was it about communication?

Yes, what made it? I ask, I think like this. What made you have to go around there

so that the Cabinet does not immediately solve various issues that are a low priority in society? It looks like the correct information does not reach the table, sir. Oh yeah? It looks like. Is it not mentioned in the table? Not even in the first or second circle? Yes, maybe.

Because it's a bit weird if you don't read the media. Even though the media often has a lot of variations, the substance is the same to solve the problems of the society. Because, but the substance is the same to solve the problem of the people's complaints. Because like this, my people, Mr. Prabowo's government, have proposed a policy,

have shouted that this is confusing, this must be acted on. Mr. Prabowo's policy is always like that, but ... What is this, civil society, academic and all kinds, like Pak Mahfud always speaks out. Yes, until it ended like this. On the 29th of May this year, I gathered some friends from UGM, UII, UWM, and some in Jogja. The first conclusion on May 29th was,

Sir, it seems like there is no hope for us to give input to Mr. Prabowo. Because every input has never been responded to in accordance with the input. The response is always, the situation is good. This is the view of the shopkeepers.

The view of the shopkeepers.

From UGM, on May 29th, I often invite people to eat in Jogja. 15-20 people. Discussing. Big teachers. That's it, sir.

And now we don't need to give in anymore. Let us now do other jobs. Forming national cadres to campuses. Don't bring it to political practice. Pity the campus, later terrorized by external forces. By the police, by the government, by the telephone.

Poor rector. We don't have to name the campus. If we want to study in the campus, we can just call it philosophy. This is the agreement of the academicians, the top. Yes, the opinion of the top. The agreement is useless, it is not worth taking.

It is not worth looking at. they have no right to take our views. So let's just stop. It will be a blow to us if we continue like this. Why? Every time there is a presidential speech, we hear it, but there is no follow-up according to the speech.

Secondly, if it is delivered to the next level, to the minister or whoever, it seems that it will not reach the president or the minister didn't understand the solution. So that we never had a reaction

that was directed to that direction. We are tired, we are tired, let it go, this is the government that is right, let it go. But, sir, this will be hit

in a situation where he will form something. See you again on July 27. You join us in Jogja.

July 27, yes.

Yes, yes, yes. Your new one, right?

At the hotel, yes, yes. Your new one, yes, yes. Same conclusion. No need to put it in again. Just let it be a hit. Now hit.

Right?

It really happened. Because it never came in. This, this. It's very dangerous, sir, if the messages are not received. It's dangerous, sir, if the messages are not received. And that means it's distancing the president from the community.

Yes. Real, real, the real condition that happened, right?

Yes.

Because sometimes we hear the rumors, if the ministers meet the president, they just praise him, not give input. Oh, Mr. President, it was good, there was no president before that, Mr. President.

That's it.

That's not healthy, right?

Oh, it's very unhealthy. President, if the president, of course, if he just wants to hear the opinion, it must be the person in front of him. Of course it will be good, even if it's not good. That's what the president's name is, good, sir. Why not give the right input?

I remember, what?

The writing of Hatta, reminds me of the way the leadership was. Bung Hatta reminded us of our leadership. Bung Hatta, who was the first Japanese to enter the country, in 1941, he wrote an article entitled, Character. He reminded us, long before they were awarded, there was no one to give a sign, and not a few leaders fall because they like praise. This is what Bung Han said earlier.

That's what Bung Han said.

So, leaders are more likely to be criticized than to be praised. Here's another one. The main basis of character education, this is what Bung Han said, the main basis of characterter is love for truth and the courage to say something wrong to the traitor. The courage to say something wrong to the leader of the Caliphate is wrong. Actually, this is a quote from a saint from the West. It is the same as the hadith the right word in front of the leader who is

what is it? Well, what can I say? If people come, they only come to praise. Especially if they are religious figures, or religious figures. Ormas or something.

Well, you also show the Ormas figures. I remember, sir, when the event of Afan's death, then suddenly we see that the president, Mr. Prabowo, apparently called about 16 Ormas figures in the DPR. It means that the president saw that the role of this leader was so important to the people, so in such a situation, he needed to be invited to speak.

Do you see it as a correct strategy or what?

That's a good, noble deed. But in my opinion, it's not correct. Not correct? Why? First, this is not a religious issue. This is a matter of economic and social. The protest is not a movement of religiousness,

or a priest or something. The priest is not following. This is a person who feels his life is under pressure. Then, he is are called religious figures, they are not the right people. Decisions like the one yesterday,

for the sake of policy, stop this, I will do this in the next few days. That's what has been done, but it has just stopped. That's confusing. Try to call 16 Muslim orders,

and it's very obvious. What did the Muslim ormahs talk about? What does it have to do with all this? Nothing.

Especially since people are criticizing the Muslim ormahs as they are further away from the community.

They are not even close to the community.

That's why I said...

We have been hearing this for a long time.

I'm sorry. Now, the Muslim Ormas are no longer a reference. Many of them are no longer a reference. Why? The Muslim Ormas' duty is to be amar maruh, nahi mungkat. Now, no Muslim Ormas dare to do nahi mungkat. All of them are amar maruh? All of them are amar maruh.

All of them are amar maruh. And there are even issues of looking down on the candidates for ministers and officials. That's the job of the Parpol. But I don't see Ormas doing the Nahi Munkar. So why is he invited to the palace? He doesn't dare to do the Nahi Munkar, he doesn't dare to speak the truth.

He only advises. If he advises, he doesn't have to be an ulama. Isn't that so? Also, there is no balance between Ma'idhah Hasanah and Uswatun Hasanah, which was originally done by the Muslim or Masih Slav. Ma'idhah Hasanah gave good advice, like Ammar Maruf,

then followed by the Uswatun Hasanah. This is not there. Even other than other ministers, now many say, you are confused. Why are you confused?

The cadres are also involved in corruption. So this must be saved. Because there are also those who are nepotistic, there are people who are cheating.

So it's a good story.

There are people there, running, asked, why are you? There was a group of people running. They asked me, why are you still here? The ceremony is over. I said, I'm not here. I was chased by the police. I was in the middle of the ceremony.

It was already late, it was already past midnight, and you're still here.

I'm sorry. You used to be a real guide to all of us. Now I'm a member of the political party. That's not healthy. People will definitely join the election, looking for the electorate there.

But, I'm sorry. Please guide this nation as best as you can. If you are an Islamic, please guide the people. Don't look for facilities. In the past, you were led by a very simple person, a saint.

Give an example. The courage to obey is wrong. Now, only praise. You can't do that.

What does it mean?

The people lost their sword. The people. It's not like that. It means...

The people are losing their swords. The people are losing their domains.

That's it.

Mr. Mahfud, this is... I want to go back a little bit, to see you again. I became aware of you, and I realized that this is really from the heart of your heart.

I want to be a little subjective to see your position. So, when we saw that the late Afan Kurniawan fell victim, from night to morning, in the afternoon, everyone was praising the government, the DTPR, and all kinds of things. I rarely see people in the middle position.

Suddenly people were surprised because Mr. Mahfud suddenly said, look at this case objectively, clearly, with two sides, the side of the demonstration and the side of the victims.

What does Pak Hufud mean by that? Why is it different from the others? Like this, everyone is praising the police, not seeing that the police are also being beaten everywhere, on the ground. It's a pity. I don't think it's acceptable. Seeing the police being beaten in Bandung,

and before that in Pati. Police officers were on duty, and they were beaten up. They were woken up, handcuffed, and kicked. In Bandung, they were falling, then they were hugged, and they were kicked from above. Is that how the police are?

Even though people think that

Pak Fud could take the risk of being considered as a police judge in Ujan. It's okay. We criticize the police. There are many corrupt police. But the police on the ground, they are risking their lives. If they put, I'm sorry, the one in the DPR. It was a robbery. They were chasing after them. If someone managed to get on the bus and the Molotov was fired from above, it was over.

Then they got a place to run. When they were running, they kept hitting people. Was it wrong? Yes, it was wrong. But they understood that this was the situation.

Now, police offices are all burned. That's because of politics, political policies, policies to manage our government system that are accumulating. So now people don't want to criticize, you criticize too,

you're being criticized.

So according to you, the people who are being criticized are the people with their own apparatus below that fights.

Yes, that's what happened. So that's the situation, so let's take care of this country. As a blessing of Allah's mercy, I always say, this country is independent of the blessings of Allah, the Almighty. And this blessing must be graced. Graced means protected with a sense of responsibility, with nationalism, a high sense of nationality, so that this country is safe for us to share in the future of our nation.

This is important. And now, of course, there are many things that must be solved immediately. Some cases are now being investigated in the KPK, involving Kemendikbud, Kemena, the case of North Sumatra, and so on. In various places, so that it can be continued, so that it can be re-healed,

so that it can be re-healed. Then also to the police, so that it can be synergistic. For the task, you are the task to investigate, this is the task to demand. In certain cases where the investigation is also in the police, it must be professional. If the police say this is a corruption case, you here should not say no. The Supreme Court can take it away.

But actually, if it is synergized in an orchestration, I think Mr. Prabowo should listen to that report. Don't stop at what your've heard from the IGM, with this minister, with this person, nothing. And the ministries must be brave enough to say it.

Some of them met the president directly in an open meeting. It should be heard. And this is what Mr. Brabo felt. In the decision yesterday, he asked all government agencies to accommodate. Yes, the Ministry of Health, even the DPR was asked to be involved in the hearing.

I used to be the Minister of Health, I asked all the local governments. I invited all the local governments to my place. If there is a case, let's debate with me. You are the data, this is my data. They understand.

While asking for their input?

Yes, yes. Like, the government's policy in Papua is like this. This is not right. What is your policy? This has been done. This is the date of the photo.

This is the date of the news. Everything you have done has been done. I ask for a better policy. I have invited them. I remember when the Corruption Perception Index fell, you invited them. Yes, I invited them, for example from ICW, from TI.

Transparency International. Yes, you invited Transparency International. Come on, what kind of representation is this? I invited LSF. That's why they never fought with me before. Because I challenged them.

Come to my office, what do you want to talk about? I'll them. This matter, let's go to my office. What do you want to say? I'll do it right away. I said, oh, that's already been done. That's all. The one about Papua was made first, right? Yes.

I invited Papuan people. I met with the head of the Papuan traditional figures, let's meet at my office. I said, let's debate. Don't provoke outside. I'm done.

One more thing, sir. I'm a bit back on track. When you said that the ministers are afraid to tell the President. During Mr. Mahfud's time, it can be said that you dared to tell Mr. Jokowi things that Mr. Mahfud thinks should be said, whatever the risk.

Oh, there are many. Many. Oh, there are many. For example, the BLBI case. People think it can't be done. I came to Mr. Jokowi. Sir, this is 18 years ago. This is a debt. The criminal said there was no one. We went to the Supreme Court. We are now targeting the data. Mr. Jokowi, yes, you can still do it. No minister said, you get 10 billion, it already good. But I asked the press, please, I was given to the press, so I can deal with this with the Minister of Finance.

For the press, I went there, 34 trillion went in, not 10 billion. Moreover, not 10%, not 10 billion, 34 trillion went in. Back, this is still going on, I went from there. I came to Mr. J. I went back to the government. I went to Mr. Jokowi. The problem was the Hambrat violation case. The case that was made a fuss.

The government accused the government of forgiving the PKI. There was no forgiveness of the PKI. We helped the victims. The ones who were abroad. We told Mr. Jokowi. There were hundreds of people, citizens of the country.

They were accused of people, citizens of the country, who were accused of being PKI, even though they were schoolchildren, they didn't understand what PKI was. Until now, the citizens of the country have been removed. At that time, they were removed, so that they were exiled abroad. We picked them up, picked them up. Right?

And it wasn't just the schoolchildren. There were also people who are diligent in prayer. There are also people who are smart in reading the Quran. There are many. They go home. Then, the victims of the Hamberat violation are built. For example, in Aceh, in the area of Aceh, they ask for a mosque, build a mosque, ask for a house, build a house.

These are the victims. The perpetrators cannot be chased. That's the matter of the DPR and the Komnasaham. But if for example, there are things that may not be liked by President Tayyip Mahfud, he said, it must be like this, sir. For example, the extension of the Mahfud's term, how do you convey that to the President? Extension, oh yes, that's exciting. So it's like this. The issue of extension, three priorities, at first.

That's it, right? Three priorities. There are six ministers who are clearly in the village chief's appeal, and then provoked the possibility of a 3-period. What did the 6 ministers say? They said that the people wanted a 3-period because President Jokowi was good. Then the people were in a rush. It didn't happen, right?

It didn't happen.

Then,

if the proposal couldn't be extended for three periods, extended it for two or three years. It doesn't have to be three periods. There are many ways. It's a lot of people, it's okay. I came to Mr. Jokowi.

Maybe Mr. Afud imagined that Mr. Jokowi was happy with the extension. I know. Maybe it's because of that. Because someone from Namert came to me. He said, Mr. Jokowi is waiting for your opinion. There are three HTN figures that Mr. Jokowi often refers to. The second one is already here.

He said, okay, I came to the president, I came to the president, in Bogor, I was called. Sir, I didn't ask for approval or not, I asked. Sir, it's crowded outside, he said he wanted to extend your term in office.

That's an extraordinary controversy. The President knew that I came with a mission.

That way, Mr. Mahfud is about to be there. He said, no, Mr. Mahfud, who is extending his term in office? Mr. Mahfud has read it, he said. This is the news, who is the one who sent me a message, looking for, hitting my face, looking for, to hit me, and what else? No, Mr. Mahbub, just go. Well, when I left the palace, I talked to the reporters.

I was just told by the president that the election must be prepared. That's it, right? Then I also said, if it's really you, no. Talk to the ministers. There are ministers who talk a lot. It was convened at the palace.

And by Pak Pramon Wanung, two hours after the meeting was broadcast on YouTube. The president banned it. Yes, ministers, stop talking about the extension of the office.

Focus.

That's a political matter, not a minister's matter. That's it. I kept campaigning. That the election should be held, Mr. Jokowi pointed me, and Mr. BG, and Mrs. Sri Mulyani, and Mr. Tito, to prepare the election as well as possible, at the right time.

Mr. BG, about his security, Mr. Tito, about his politics, Mrs. Sri Manuwa, Mrs. Sri Mulyani, about his security, Mr. Tito about his politics, Mrs. Srimanowak, Mrs. Srimulyanewang, Mr. Mahfud, things that are generally necessary to be coordinated. I say that every day, the election is on. Even though the election is on, there are also those who are annoying. In April, remember, in April 2023,

there was a court decision, this is a judicial decision, not just a judicial decision, they said the election should be repeated from the beginning. Who is this person? It's complicated, right? I kept playing Tik Tok with Mrs. Migah, because the one who refused the longest way was Mrs. Migah. I contacted her, where are you going? I asked her I asked her to meet me in the middle of the night.

I heard her angry. She said, yes, Mr. Mahfud. Yes, Mr. Mengkau. I said, tomorrow I will talk to her. She said, no. This is a court.

This is a mistake. The court has to cancel the decision. Because it is a mistake. to the Supreme Court, it was canceled. Because right now, the Supreme Court has canceled the decision of the Supreme Court, the decision of the Supreme Court, it was already canceled by the Supreme Court,

it was moved to the Supreme Court.

This is an example of when the Supreme Court can deliver something that is not yet certain, but the President likes it.

But he dares to deliver it so that the nation is safe. Yes, so that the nation is safe. So that this nation is safe and constitutional. The Sambu case, for example. I have to see the president's request. The president was surprised to see the Sambu case. How can it be like that? Then I said,

it seems that Mr. Jokowi is the same as us. He doesn't like the Sambu incident. If it is resolved, we have to finish it until the point where it's impossible. I will continue to move forward, as you know. That means coordination like that needs to be done.

If the risk of shooting can be increased, we will consult with the minister to help him. We will consult. If he says no, even though we disagree, we will find a way. That's what the president wants. This is a political choice, not a matter of right or wrong.

If what Mr. Mahfud said is true, we don't want Mr. President to be in the same condition as now. What do you think is the solution that the president can come up with so that the government wheel can run smoothly again.

The people are slowly disappointed that the government has fulfilled the demand. The law, the law, the law problems, that's number one. Because the national assets are 44% law. The extraordinary natural wealth is only 23%. The other is about the level of education, management, and organization. But if the law is so vague, it will fail.

That's why it's hard to find investors if the law is not based on the research results from the TI and various institutions. That this is the law in Indonesia. Secondly, I want to hold another evaluation for the cabinet that is too fat but not professional. Many are incapable, many are unclear about their work,

even many do not understand what is being said is in accordance with their duties or not. And more than that, many are in trouble legally. Well, just clean it up. Just clean it up.

So, the revolution means reshuffle, right?

Reshuffle, if you want everything to be good. If not, then the name that has appeared in the middle of the community as a troublemaker, there are many. Then replace it? Well, he himself is the President's business. We can't get involved in the President's affairs, who he wants to remove,

it's entirely up to the president. But people like us deserve to have a good and clean leader. That's it. I think that's a rule we have to follow.

Okay, one more thing, sir. This is related to the meeting of the press that was held by the president yesterday after meeting with the leaders of the parties. The President said that we appreciate, the government appreciates freedom of expression. There is a article that says, basically saying that.

But at the same time, the President sent a strong message that TNI and Polri must take firm action if there is an amivist who breaks the law. What do you think, Mr. Mahfud?

I am worried, but I have always been worried. As long as it is for the sake of order, security, and the integrity of the nation, the President can take such steps, even though he does not have to institute it. Why does he have to be institutionalized. Why institutionalize? It doesn't have to be institutionalized because as an institution, the security task is the task of the police, while the TNI is the task of the defense.

That's the constitution. So if you mix it up like that, many people protest. But in many cases, between security and defense, there are often those called grey areas. Where is this? Well there. Because it's possible that the disputes

contain elements of threat to the integrity of the nation. Well, the rule is that the DNI is included if the polri asks. It can't be like that. Where does the polri feel heavy? Oh, I'm it's heavy there,

I need TNI. So there is a constitutional matter that must be followed. It can't be done as a carpet maker. And it doesn't have to be a institution, in the sense that it continues to be a case. In this case, it's okay.

Because this is already a real threat. But in other cases, later, case by case, It's a real threat. But in other cases, it's not every case that is dealt with by the TNI. That's the rule. Now, if we want to summarize,

is that enough?

Okay, enough, Pak. Thank you, Mr. Bud.

That's all for this week's edition. We'll meet again next week. Hopefully, the situation will be much better than now and the direction of the country's improvement will show a brighter path. Always take care of Indonesia. Take care of the peace of our country.

Never tire of loving Indonesia. Never tire of loving Indonesia.

Done.