MAHFUD MD TENTANG PRAPERADILAN NADIEM & PK SILFESTER

I want to remind the Ministry of Finance, the BLB is like this. Per one kilometer, the train fare is 52 million US dollars. But in China, it's 17 to 18 million US dollars. It's three times more expensive, right? It's the one who pays, where's the money going?

The criminal law can be there, it is really a markup. In China, the price was only mentioned in 2017-2018. Now, it's 53 million US dollars. The establishment of NADEM as expected is already true. It has met the requirements. The judiciary even has four tools of evidence.

Is Sylvester going to run for second PKK? Is it okay? What will be the consequences?

If he runs for PKK, he has to be there. That's why the first PKK was considered a condition, because no one wanted to come. If he wants to run for second PKK, he has to be there. And Kejaksaan can catch him.

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Hello, how are you all? We meet again on Terus Terang, a podcast where I will talk about various issues whenever available and without any extra content. Bismillah. In this episode, I would like to once again thank the netizens who are loyal to this show.

Thank you for your support. From so many requests to my social media to discuss a topic.

My team has selected some relevant and important comments

to discuss in this episode.

Let's start.

Please, Mr. Rizal.

Do you want to ask questions from the netizens? Or any comments from the netizens that I need to respond to?

Yes, sir. Besides we have given some comments, we also feel that it's been quite a long time since we have answered the questions from netizens. So, our question this weekend, some of it we will answer, and later we will answer some of the questions from netizens to Pak Mahfud.

But before that, there are many comments that the issue is getting hot, sir. It is often talked about by the public. If last week, or two weeks ago, our show that Pak Mahfud commented quite a lot about the new finance minister, Burubaya Yudhisadewa, was apparently responded a lot by netizens, by his followers, Pak Mahfud commented a lot about the latest Minister of Finance, Mr. Purbaya Yudhisadewa,

was responded by many netizens, by his followers. Especially, it's getting more and more crowded here, Mr. Purbaya. Because the comments on Medsos were responded by many parties. And it's related to his attitude, which is clear, as Mr. Mahfud said,

he really wants to eradicate corruption. For example, he said that he didn't want the fast train debt to be paid by the HBBN. The family office that was once owned by Mr. ALBP was also not paid by the HBBN. It means that he rejected the HBBN. But before that, he said that for the BLBI, this is a bit different, the BLBI's business, he didn't want to continue the BLBI, this is a bit different, the BLBI doesn't want to continue the gas-based charity case.

I quoted what was said in the media, as you can see, sir. Mr. Purbaya said that for the BLBI, it's just a matter of making a fuss. The income is not much, rather than making noise,

maybe we should end the BLBI.

According to Mr. What is your take, Mr. Mahfud? Well, it's his choice. It's a choice of policy. There are so many problems in this republic. And every office has a limited time, 5 years. Or for you, Mr. Purbaya, 4 years, because a year has passed. So, he has to choose. Including, for example, to side with BLBI, it's okay. That's his policy.

That's his right as a minister. So, we just give input. But to be reminded, I still think that Mr. Purbaya doesn't really understand this BLBI issue. Okay. He doesn't understand the BLBI issue. It seems like they don't understand the BLBI issue. Because of the fact, first, the BLBI is an official debt from the debtors and debtors with guarantees, with official debt statement. Then the state debt, the debt of the debtors and debtors to the state was 141.

After being courted by the state, it was from 440 trillion. Then it was only counted as 141 and it was legally disqualified by the court.

It was greatly discounted by the state.

And to remind you, if this is suddenly stopped, the 41 trillion that we got yesterday, 3 years ago, 41 trillion, it can cause injustice for them. I was called to steal, but I was not. Why didn't the others do it?

Even though everyone was chased at that time.

And until now, many people want to pay for Obligor and BLB Debits. But we have to give up because we asked for less than what we had set aside. Why did they ask for less? They said, sir, at the BPK, we have to pay this much, but the Supreme Court said this much, at the State Wealth Board, this much, we asked for NGO,

which at that time we did not accept. Why? Why was it. Why? Because the debt to the country, and the team that decided to refuse, could be corrupted. Without a legal basis, it could be refused again, because it was a decision of the court, the Supreme Court, the DPR, and so on. So, there are still many people who want to refuse. I want to remind the Ministry of Finance,

the BLB is like this, the government issued a loan of Rp 444 trillion, put it, Rp 440 trillion, but it was not paid, so there was no reapitalization program. With 440 trillion, the bank was recapitalized because the bank collapsed in 1998.

Then because of the 440 trillion, the president issued the 8th impression in 2002 about R&D. Release and discharge. So, it was reduced again. The point is, you pay, let's pay.

That was during the government of Bumega.

Bumega, with the interest. So, the debt was calculated to be 140 trillion from 470. This was then challenged to the Supreme Court decided that the 8th of August, 2022 was not right. The Supreme Court decided that it was right. The Supreme Court decided that it was right because of the policies that were governed by the Ministry of Public Works and Public Housing. It was right. Because the Supreme Court decided that it was right, we started to issue 141

until 2009, with the recognition of the recognition that has been verified. Suddenly, on the way to collect the certificates, to collect the people who paid, there was a case of criminal case between the BPPN and the country. Because there was a person named Samsol Nursalim,

his debt recognition was 4.6. From the beginning, if I'm not mistaken, 17 trillion has become 4.6. If I'm not mistaken, from the beginning, 17 trillion has become 4.6. Even then, the guaranteed goods are only 1.2.

This was actually explained by Mr. Manggit two weeks ago, this explanation.

Yes, only 1.2. So, the criminal case, because of the criminal case, everything was delayed first. The bonus only came down in June 2020. So we started to deposit in 2020. That's why it was a mess. Because we deposited based on the decision of the Ministry of Finance in June 2020. We deposited, we asked for data to the KPK. Then, the tax was successful until two years later, one and a half years later. It was up to Rp41 trillion. There are still many people who come and pay, but please reduce it. I have a lot of money.

Rp41 trillion is not a lot. Yes, maybe. It is not considered a lot. So, we went back to R&D again and it was successful. But then, Mr. Purboyo considered it as Purbaya. Purbaya Yudhisadeva. In Java, it is called Purbaya. In Java, maybe Purboyo called it. In West Java, it's Sunda, Purbaya, Jaka, Joko.

Pak Purbaya said, this is just a joke. Actually, this is bigger than the tax that will be collected, 60 trillion, he said. We will chase the tax collection 141 trillion. Based on the fluctuation of the dollar, it could be 95 trillion.

That's a big number if we chase it. And that's a debt. We can't just let it go. That's a debt to the country.

It's not a problem. If you look at the minister's glasses, I can chase it a bit big there. Instead of thousands here, I just I'm not talking about the amount, but about the law and fairness.

But that's his choice. We still support Mr. Purbaya's determination in other fields. We can't just because of one thing, the choice of policy, we think he's bad.

No, he's good. He's still good until now. I want to continue, Pak. Mr. Mahfud said that 40 or 41 trillion has been chased. While the rest is still 60 trillion. These are people who have good ethics.

The rest is 60 trillion. If this is 90, it's BNI.

That's right, Pak. It means that this has been chased, they have good intentions, while here, no, they must be the ones who are chasing this. If not, they will be enjoyed by those who don't pay,

who are lazy, while those who should, must pay. And what will the insurance be? There are a lot of certificates there. There are certificates, debt recognition, notary's record, etc. It can be considered as nothing. Whereas in the BPK, it is still recorded as a state debt.

Maybe Minister of Finance needs to ask the Director General of the State Bank when you were leading the way here, right?

We were actually preparing for the press conference or the law changes, for example, for the BLBE, we had already negotiated how much we wanted to pay. Because we wanted to pay a lot. For example, if we are asked to pay 600 billion,

we can say, sir, I can pay 450 billion. And this is different from the way we calculate it. But we are not brave enough at that time. Because there is no law yet. For the debt to the country, why do we as a state, want to change it?

Beyond our calculation. But then, I was running in the press, it seemed to be too long, because after I left, there were news about the statement of BLB. Even two weeks ago, I went to Padang. There was a report.

We are still solving the BLB cases. Some of the children are still in Padang. We just took it away. So, there are still many problems. If you want to close it, go ahead. Or it could be that you have an idea, like, I am going to manage this, and then there are my friends from the conglomerate,

or my friends, like Mr. Mahfud,

who were threatened by me,

and told me not to manage it. It could happen, sir.

Who knows?

Now, there are many friends who are on the side, maybe there are also friends on the top, in a physical way, Even if it's structural, it will be a burden. But if the case is closed, it will be a problem. Because it is still recorded as a debt in the BPK and there is a decision by the DPRK. For the election.

Pak Mahfud said this is a test for Minister Kowangan at that time, right? Yes, please, Pak. I was suspended if I didn't dare to let the next minister. As usual, ministers are suspended if they have authority. Because I haven't been here for a long time. I was suspended. Because the director here is only for a while.

The director is also ... He's been here for a decade.

So that the next for about 11 years. So, the next officials were in charge of it?

Yes, all of them. But I still respect you. So, many people appreciate your way of doing things. You also said that the biggest problem now is the WUSH issue.

They don't want it. They don't want it to be worse. Our dividends have been handled by the internal affairs.

What do you think. I support it. The US is threatening our future, our sovereignty, our nation, our people, etc. Because this is a huge and very strange debt. It is a B2B business, business to business, BUMN and BUMN there. But now the debt is increasing. The debt is only 2 trillion a year.

While from the ticket, it only gets a maximum of 1.5 trillion. So every year it increases. The country keeps flourishing. And if you look at the term, it can be up to 70 years, 80 years. This is the debt if it's normal. What's the problem? The debt keeps increasing. Now, Mr. Purbaya said he would not pay. That's right.

But the problem is, if he doesn't pay, what will happen to his fate? I'm Bruce Willis. So, to make the reference clear, I will explain about the Woos. from a trusted source that appeared on October 13th, 12th of this year, 2 days ago. In the prime dialogue program, Agus Pambagyo was present.

Who was the prime dialogue?

Nusantara TV. Agus Pambagyo. Who is the presidential candidate? Nusantara TV. Agus Pambagyo and Antony Budiawan. Both of them are economic observers. It confirms what was said 5 years ago. Now it is confirmed. So, this is the problem that we have to solve legally.

In the beginning, the plan of the express train named WUSH was a G2G agreement, government to government, between the Japanese government and the Indonesian government. At that time, based on the calculations of the experts from the UI and UGM, it could be built with a 0.1% flow rate with Japan. Suddenly, after Japan asked for a slight increase, the government cancelled it.

It was moved to China with a 2% increase. Suddenly, the 2% increase was overrun. The inflation rate then became 3.4%. Now, we can't afford it. When it was move to China, Mr. Yonan, Ignatius Yonan, the Minister of Relations at that time,

said he didn't agree. He said, this is not feasible.

He said that.

He said that. Mr. Yonan was fired. He was replaced. After that, he called a specialist. His name was Agus Pambagyo. The president called him.

Pak Jokowi?

Yes, Pak Jokowi. After the election, he was asked, Pak Agus, how is this? Pak, this is not feasible. It's a loss for the country. According to Agus Pambagyo,

the one I watched, it's a loss for the country. Who came up with this idea? Agus said, how can it be from Japan, the United States, and the cost is high. It's based on my own idea," said President Jokowi. It's based on my own idea. So, if it's your idea, if you want to be a politician,

we can't do anything, so we'll go, but it turns out that we can't afford to pay now. And we don't want to pay, I think it's right to pay. Why is that? The problem is that Why? Because it will make it difficult for our nation to develop.

It will destroy the development for other nations. It will only be used for this. What will happen if we don't pay for one, it will be piloted.

Now we are enjoying this.

Yes, or it will be handed over to the international fund. Or what? Whether it is paid by the state or not, we pay it continuously. This is what needs to be investigated because there is a mock-up. The mock-up is like this, it has to be checked, where does the money go?

According to the calculations of Indonesia, the cost per one kilometer of the bus is 52 million US dollars. But in China, the calculation is 17 to 18 million US dollars. It's three times higher, right? It's a matter of who pays the money, where it goes. It's three times more.

17 million US dollars. Dollars. America, not rupiah. Per kilometer, it's 52 in Indonesia. That's a markup. We have to investigate who used to do this.

I'm worried. Why do I think this is good, the Prime Minister of Indonesia, Mr. Ayan? I'm worried. Why? I think Purbaya is a good minister for the people. But we have to remember that it is very dangerous for the people.

Because if we fail to pay, it means that China has to take it. This is mine. But it is impossible to take things in the middle of the city. They will definitely ask for compensation to the side. For example, North Natuna.

Because it happened to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka also did this. They built a port, but they couldn't pay. The port was taken by China until now. Because you don't pay. This is possible.

North Natuna is in conflict. There is a conflict in the middle. Then here, it can be a burden to us. If it's a burden to us, it will enter our area which is not in conflict. In North Natuna, for example, which is not in conflict. Then build a base there for 80 years. What are you going to do with this? That's the problem. So, it's true, Pak Purbaya, you are supported by the people.

Don't pay WUS with the APBN. Then find a way out so that it's not said because of the pilot or because of what. But the problem is to solve it legally so that it doesn't happen again to our children. Because if it's true, for example, until North Natuna is taken.

This is the concern of the North. Don't let it happen.

Or one region is asked as compensation. That is a violation of ideology and constitution. Because in our country's goal, from the constitution, it protects the entire nation and all the blood of Indonesia. If there is one territory taken because we don't have money, and because of our negligence in the calculation,

it means that even one meter of land is taken by a foreign country, it violates the constitution.ence in the calculation, even if we take one meter of land, the foreign country will violate the constitution. Can the corruption arise from the debt issue? That's why I urge you to solve it so that we don't lose the damage

of the implementation of ideology and constitution. Losing the territory and making the people poor are the aims of the conflict with ideology and constitution. I took two paths. One, Mr. Purbaya is looking for this. The second, the country must solve this legally.

The criminal law can be there if it is really marked up. Because according to Mr. Anthony Budiawan, in China, the price was only mentioned in 2017-2018. Now, it has become US$53 million from 2017-2018 that was produced by China. We have to investigate. If it is a real markup, we have to look for funds. But there will also the data.

Maybe the data is related to the country, because it uses the money of the country, it has not yet distributed the money of the country, etc. But I tend to solve the crime so that this nation is not used to letting the wrongdoers go.

We have forgiven them. It always happens.

From time to time.

This is even crazier. So, in my opinion, that's your problem.

I give you a thumbs up, Pak Purbaya.

Keep going.

In the era of Pak Mahfudz becoming the head of the Luka Men, this kind of big business is not discussed. No. Pak Cungi Jempol, Purbaya. In the era of Pak Mahfud's becoming the head of the LUKAM,

is this big deal discussed?

No. Because WUS was in the era of Yonan. Yonas was in the previous period.

I was nothing.

Nothing. While Pak Mahfud was in 2019. When I became the minister, it was already done. With the contracts, the minister, it was already done. With the controversial contracts. But we have to give a chance to explain. Because the government had its own reasons at that time.

That this is important, that this is visible, and so on. The actors are still there. They are there to protect the nation. Pak Fud, if we relate it to your commitment to open up cases that are considered to have corruption potential or have been corrupted, and you want to clean it up now,

what is your opinion on this case? We can see the role of the President in this case? Well, I see that Purbaya and Pak Prabowo have the same character. They are both hard-hearted and determined to fight corruption. But Pak Prabowo is starting to be a bit more narrow-minded. Because it is not easy, right?

He is starting to be narrow-minded? What do you mean? In the beginning, It's just a beginning. In the beginning, it was just a small campaign. But now it has become a big deal. It started with the establishment of Rizal Khalid.

As a leader.

The first one, for decades, it was not allowed to be touched. Now, it is a suspect. He is out of the question of whether Gejaksa Nagung can find it or not. It should be possible. That's what you have started. When there was no one who dared to do it,

there was someone who thought he was too strong. You said there was no one who was strong. You chased him, Reza Khalid. That's good from Mr. Prabowo. Secondly, just a week ago, he executed for corruption in Timah.

Yes, in Banka Belitung.

In Banka Belitung, corruption of 300 trillion.

The state's currency.

He was directly sued and he took 6 trillion himself. That means it's a fraud, right? Okay. Oh, that's what he meant's limited. That's what I mean. Yes, that's what I mean. Malay Radiris Akhadeh. It's a small amount, but the value will be high.

And the second, the third, just last week, the government abolished the second peak. Okay, Pak. The area at the second peak, the tropical coastline, no longer as a base land. Yes, no longer as a national strategy project.

What is your opinion on that?

That's great. It means that part of Pak Prabowo is planning this. Because this was issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, number 16, in 2025, just now, in accordance with the National Agrarian Day, I guess, 24th.

Just now, Pak, 3-4 days ago.

Yes, yes, in September. It stated that PIK-2 is no longer a PSN. Therefore, the administration can no longer do the management of rights, but can do business. And that has been released, meaning, from the program that has been managed by the Aguhan. It is now released. That's what's important.

Mr. Prabowo is planning. Hopefully, Mr. Prabowo will be planning to find a solution so that our sovereignty is not taken over by China, while also implementing legal settlement without a blind eye.

What is the meaning of the government's decision to remove the PSNBP status from the eyes of the people? Is it an unfair issue? Is it a matter of law enforcement?

Yes, it is an unfair issue. Because, first, it is a constitutional issue that according to Article 33, the earth, water, and natural resources contained in it are governed by the state. And it cannot be controlled by the private sector. It can be done by business.

Business, not control, right?

Yes. It can be done by business.

The activities that produce money.

But if it's called eco, what is it called?

Tropical coastline.

No, it's the economic environment. The green area. There is a time. It can't be like HGU. There is a certain time given to manage and the time is relatively short.

It can be called environmental tourism. The term we used to rob theered an island in North Maluku. We plundered everything. Back in my time, we were still there. Green tourism, Pak. Yes, green tourism.

We plundered everything. That's against the law. That's what it means. And this has to be started as a part of the from Mr. Prabowo. Because the sea-splashing like PIK 1, 2 happened in almost all of Indonesia, even though it's not as big as it is now. Because the same situation is also mentioned in the case of the sea-splashing, Pak.

What do you think about that? So, the sea-splashing is part of it. But the sea-splash tax is a separate action. It was the administration that was misused, right? It reached the regions and was canceled through the cancellation of the PSN by the Minister of Economy. Of course, the government, no one would dare if it wasn't slow because it's not easy. You just go back, Pak Prabowo, to the book,

Paradox Indonesia. I read it there. When you founded the party, you wanted to to divide the people. You wanted to divide the people. You wanted to divide the people. You wanted to read the book, Paradox Indonesia. I read it there, when you established the party, you wanted to break the neck of these parties. Break the neck means to take back the country. Because Pak Prabowo said,

I established the party, the country was ruled by the government. What is the result for this nation? That was Pak Prabowo. Now, he is there. Let's continue to support him. The steps of Pak Prabowo from this stage to this stage,

we have to support. Now we hope, woosh, he will back up, that it is not allowed. That it cannot be paid by the State Budget. Then there is a legal settlement, of course.

Including, of course, the IKN.

Oh, IKN?

Oh, IKN. The IKN is the same as the WUSH. The process of making a decision? Yes, it's the same as the law. But at first, we knew that the is no APBN in the ICAN. It's all private, from the investors. It's all started from the beginning, there was no investor,

then APBN was added by a few percent. Now, the APBN has been recorded. It's the same, there's a problem when the settlement and the promises of the investors that you said are already a lot, and then a few months later, the investors have been a lot, have been in line, and then you appear in the DPR. Until today, there is not a single investor who still promises the money,

especially the dollar.

That's when, right, Pak Halil? It's similar to that, right?

It was originally planned without the BBN, but when it was running, it used the BNRD. Well, back then, they said there was no BNRD, there were many investors. So that from now on, Pak Prabowo will solve it. Not to be hostile, not to blame the previous government. The previous government should be respected. But procedural problems that then harm the people and tend to be inconsistent with the law,

should be revealed so that the next one will not happen again. We should inherit each other's problems.

As a president, right?

Yes. Well, that's what's hot about the sea tax now. That's the problem. Now, about the sea tax. The sea tax is a criminal act. In the past, the sea tax was a long debate. Then, there was a tax on the SHMM was above the sea.

Why was there a HMELE above the sea? That was not right. The goods were never measured. And it was not allowed, so it was removed. And that was a crime. But at that time, it was only considered a small crime.

Only a letter of apology. By the police? By the police. The police handed it over to the police station. I was only given a letter of apology. A letter of apology? Yes.

By the police?

By the police. The police handed it over to the Ministry of Justice. The Ministry of Justice said, this is corruption. The Ministry of Justice said, this is corruption.

I went back to the police, the police returned it again,

this is corruption.

I also screamed from there. That's corruption. It's impossible for 26 fault or the lack of documentation. If 264 certificates cover 16 villages, while Lurah Kohot is only one village, why is it burdened to one person and 16 to another 16 villages? That's definitely corruption.

Well, we haven't heard for a long time, Pak. Suddenly on September 30th, there was a trial, Pak.

Well, that's it. As far as I know, the trial has already been a corruption. But quietly in Banten. But that's good. There is no announcement from the police, there was no statement from the police, and suddenly there was a trial. I've said many times, this case is so vague, where is it going, there is no end to it. It turned out to be on September 30.

September 30, sir.

As a criminal case in the court of the state of Banten. Good, in my opinion, good. And I don't know if the police then stated who declared this as corruption or the police themselves. Because if the police can't do it, based on the law, the police can be the investigators in the corruption case.

Especially in cases like this,

as you said, the police can be the investigators. That's why we see that it's good, it's part of the scheme too, so that it can be searched. Pak Mahfud, from the initial hearing, what came up? Only four small suspects came up. Kohot, Arretaris Desa.

Then there are two individuals who were given, and were executed by the key person, named H.N.

The initials.

This is the suspect, the main suspect, who was the one who is leading the case. But this is not a case that can be solved in court. It can be hidden. Because if this is solved in court, the corruption will be exposed.

It will involve the officials.

Oh, that's interesting.

Either in the Ministry of Justice, or in the State Prosecutor's Office. It will definitely be exposed. So, this person must be found? This person must be found, right? To be found. Because this is the key. The fourth one is just a small person. Corruption, but small.

But later in the investigation, the name HN will definitely appear. HN as the key figure that must be searched. He can open all of that. That's good. There is also a possibility that BPN will be found. But, if it is not, what? Sea-level measurement. When? Where?

Open the sea-level measurement letter. When? Open the sea-level measurement letter. When?

Open the sea-level measurement letter.

When? Open the sea-level measurement letter. When? Open the sea-level measurement letter. When? Open the sea-level measurement letter. it the building. SHGB. Suddenly it becomes that. When is it measured?

Why suddenly it becomes SHGB? Why? For example. Because if it is on the name of the owner, SHM, the letter of the owner,

it cannot be owned by the company. When it becomes SHGB, or HGB, Haguna Bangunan, or Haguna Usahanan, etc. It is not allowed for the company to own the property. It has to change to this. This is the game.

The corruption is there. The strange thing is that there is only one notary. Out of 260 certificates, there is only one notary. It must be brought up. If you want, but let's do this. We will discuss this tomorrow in the master class. So that the legal constitutional law can be clear

where we have to hunt this and clear this so that again, this country is not invited. The country is not invited by dirty oligarchs.

So, it will be discussed specifically in the masterclass. In the YouTube membership of. Mahfud's YouTube channel. So, you are a member, you will watch this discussion in the master class, yes. Because you are a member in the master, what is it called? In the membership of Mr. Mahfud. Mr. Mahfud, okay, let's continue, sir.

Now, these are the big cases that appear as comments. We promise to answer directly. We will show you the questions or comments directly from the followers of Mahfud. There are some. I will start first, Pak. From Shubanul Yaub03, Prof, please talk about the Nadiem case again. How is Nadiem corrupt according to Prof Mahfud?

Well, yesterday was the decision of the judges, Nadiem Akarim was rejected.

What is the answer, Pak?

As I said here, two or three weeks ago, Nadiem's determination as a suspect is already valid, it already meets the requirements. The prosecution even has four evidence, not just two, at least two. Four evidence tools that were mentioned in the court yesterday. So for the public opinion, it is true that enriching yourself, others, or a corporation,

that is already, Jaksa already has, right? Even though it is rejected, where is the proof? Because the price is this much, this much. It must have been known that the price is determined here, here, the funds are discussed here. Maybe the result is like this, because there is already someone detained. Maybe it's there. Jakarta already has that. Then by violating the law,

damaging the country's finances, and so on. It can be done. Since the beginning, I said, it can be made a suspect. But whether he will be proven, it will prove his innocence in court. But will he be proven? That will be proven by his ministerial position in the parliament. If there is no ministerial position, he will be free.

I will not comment on the ministerial position first. Because there are four ministers. They deliberately follow the rules, knowing that if it is done incorrectly, it will be helped. The third is Lalay. The fourth one is Sembrono. For example, in my opinion, when it was done, the previous minister has already refused,

was it on purpose? When it was done, the news was clearly told that in Malaysia, you cannot use a crumbook. It was terminated because it was considered

not visible. Well, that will be proven later in the court. Indeed, people who are in the corruption court do not have to be corrupt in the sense of accepting money. But because of the three things that happened, the corruption, then the compensation is measured from four things.

So, hopefully, Mr. Nadiem is fine and I hope he doesn't have to resort to force to do that. But I hope he is aware and confident in the legal aspect. I read the judge's decision, it's okay. We can't deny the fact that the justice system is only about the field. It is not about the substance. It is about the ministry. The ministry will come later.

That was the question about Nadi Makarim. Let's continue with the story of the Abah children. There are only three left. Sir, that is Sylvester, Matutina. Sylvester wants to propose the second PKK. Is it okay, sir? What will be the consequences? Sylvlvester Matutina? Sylvester wants to introduce the second PK. Is it okay, Pak?

What will be the consequences? Sylvester Matutina.

First, the PK is based on the decision of the Ministry of Home Affairs. Actually, I don't agree. But because of the decision of the Ministry of Home Affairs, I agree. The PK can be implemented many times. But the PK doesn not delay the execution. Secondly, if it was the PK, he had to be there himself.

That's why the first PK was considered a suspect because he didn't want to come. If it was the second PK, he had to be there himself. And the police could arrest him.

Since yesterday, you have been shouting, why can't you arrest him?

Why can't I arrest him? Because there is no more story about the Daluarsa. The police officers themselves have said, please bring him to the police station. There is no Daluarsa. If you want to arrest him in the country,

the police officer said, please bring him to our office, tell us, we will take it. It means there is no Daluarsa in Mata Jaksa. And indeed, the regulation is like that. He said, this is Daluarsa, because there was a decision in the Agung court in 1952

which said that Daluarsa cannot be reduced from the punishment. Only that was made an excuse, it is not reduced from the punishment. But according to Article 7.2, 7.4 and Article 8.4 of the Constitution, the threat of four years and a sentence is clear. So, the court's deadline is 12 years. If it is already abolished from this threat, 12 years is added to three. So, it's 16 years.

So, there is no such thing as inheritance. So, for the sake of the law, we have to pursue it through surveillance. Although I don't see surveillance

as a way to pursue it, but the statement is for Pantutina. From Kalista POP, Prof Mahfud, PTUN has accepted the challenge of two Bahlil dissertation promoters. Does that automatically change the status of Mr. Bahlil's dissertation? Wow, that's great.

How, Pak?

PTUN's decision only cancels the structural and task sanctions to the program managers and their teachers, if I'm not mistaken. The ethical sanctions were then dropped, cancelled, etc. Even though, in fact, if I judge it, it's already true. But okay. But what was canceled was only the ethical sanctions to that person. If it is done illegally, it still has to follow the previous decision.

It has to be rewritten, re-investigated, and re-guided. The status has not been passed, it hasn't changed, right? No, it hasn't passed. So, it doesn't change Ms. Kalista Popi.

Mr. Bahlil's dissertation and his doctorate have not changed, even though it has been promoted, the presence of great people is open. But until now, it can't be. Hopefully, politics does not protect. This academic world must be purified from all academic deceptions,

because it involves the future of our nation. So that the birth of people who are intellectually really rewarded based on academic standards. Is that it? Okay, sir. That that the intellectuals are truly rewarded based on the academic level. That's it. Okay, Pak. One more question.

There are still more.

There are so many. Oh, this is from MBG. This is a lot. What is it?

From Eddie, how is the grandson of the professor? Has he recovered from the MBG poisoning that you mentioned three weeks ago?

Oh yes, that's my grandson.

So, my grandson has a son. Sembuh belum dari keracunan MBG yang kemarin, Pak? Tiga pekan lalu mengatakan. Oh ya, itu cucu ponaan saya.

Jadi, itu ponaan saya punya anak. Nah, ini yang keracunan, dua orang bersaudara. Yang satu, sehari dirawat, boleh pulang. Yang satu, itu sampai empat hari. Dan sekarang sudah keluar dari rumah sakit. Artinya, sudah sembuh.

Gitu aja. That's all. Alhamdulillah. Thank you for your attention and prayers. Hopefully, MBG will continue to be better as a program of President Prabowo's trust. Is that all?

That's all, Pak. Thank you.

Okay. That's all for this week's edition. We will meet again next week. Whoever you are, wherever you are, keep working, keep making positive contributions to the development of this nation. Never be tired of loving Indonesia. Never be tired of loving Indonesia.

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